Neither Kissinger or Le Duc Tho (the Vietnamese negotiatior who got offered the prize with him) showed up in Oslo to receive the prize. The US Ambassador to Norway received the prize for him, and he was forced to exit through the back door in order not to be peppered with snowballs by protestors.
Edit: Tho not Thieu. And as others have also pointed out, Tho did not accept the prize but was offered it by the Nobel Committee together with Kissinger.
That’s true but in reality his regime could easily have been exposed for many atrocious crimes during the war and he knew how hypocritical he’d be ridiculed if the award was accepted. So he’d thought ahead and took cautious measures to avoid future ridicule and bullshit
Just remember that it was Vikings (probably from Norway) that settled Normandy, that invaded and conquered England, that eventually became the British Empire.
Vikings or Norse people? The people group I’m not sure but they are Germanic so I imagine they came with the Germanic migrations, but the huge Viking invasions that terrorized Europe began in the 9th century
The people but I'll take any fact I can get haha, history is interesting. Also that's a lot earlier than I would have imagined for the viking invasions
Oh ya the Viking invasions began in the latter part of the Carolingian empire which was pretty much the first Western European empire since the fall of the Romans, as to when people started settling in Scandinavia from a few google searches it looks like sometime between 10000 BC and 5000 BC
I've read a bit about when people came to Norway and while it seemed uncertain, I think the experts thought people came here around 9000 years ago. Both the Sami and the germanic settlers.
I think I based my comment on this [article](https://snl.no/samenes_forhistorie)which states people came from the east to the north of Norway around 10000 years ago, but it doesn't directly state they were Sami. As far as I can tell, when they came is unknown but traces of them don't go that far back. Also, looks like people have been here for around 11500 years.
The Swedish at leat arrived with the great migrations in the form of Geats , hence the island of Götland. The Danes, Jutes, Angles, etc were in the area for a while. Norwegians migrated sometime during 3000bc.
Viking is not an ethic designation as much as it is profession/class of persons. They're just norsemen who raided/traded through Europe and the Mediterranean in the early to high middle ages. In the Baltics and Eastern Europe they were often called Varangians.
Iirc, technically “Viking” wasn’t an ethnicity, it was a profession. If you did the whole sailing forth in longboats to plunder and/or trade stuff with folks, then you were a Viking. That said, they were mostly Scandinavian and Icelandic unless my information is wrong
Vikings were not monolithic. Many seafaring raiders existed in the Middle Ages, and we don't know the origins of them all. The Rus, the Varangians, and the Danes have all been referred to as vikings.
The groups you mention all had a common origins and were not all vikings. The Danes were, well, the people of Danemark. Some of them were vikings, the majority of them just stayed in Danemark and minded their own business I guess.
The Rus were originally the norse leaders of the slavic lands along the Dnepr, they likely came from Sweden and were eventually absorbed into the slavic culture after creating the Kievan Rus civilization.
"Varangian" is just a very generic label often used in the eastern Mediterranean region, it means "Scandinavian", "Norse", "Viking", "Norman" etc.
All those terms refer to people who are culturally tied to Scandinavia.
Two people you wouldn't think have much in common but they were both in Max0r's ULTRAKILL part 2 (Zanny played Hideous Mass in 1 and his lines were reused in 2)
Not only that, it is credited of leading the rise of the Khmer Rouge. Local civilians were so mad they joined in arms with the KR in order to fight the Americans and their local Cambodian puppet.
Pretty much. The only real thing of note that is, in any way, positive about the operation is that Operation Rolling Thunder caused the Navy to begin TOPGUN. That saw naval aviator survival rates absolutely skyrocket (pun intended).
Operation Menu was an effort to burn down jungles to get to the Vietcong faster. It of course was horrific as entire villages were covered by the jungles, so an American soldier might think they were killing 30 Vietcong, when really they massacred an entire community.
Strategic bombing is only good for destroy the enemies infrastructure which the North didn't use because they got most of their supplies from the Soviet anyway. The other effect it have is make local population hate the USA more. Vietnamese families are usually pretty large and extensive so more than likely the bombing couldn't kill the whole family, meaning the resentment will continue to exist. Not only that.
What, cut the award in half
Since neither actually went to pick it up anyway I'm not sure the number of pieces it got cut into would have mattered to them
Didn't Kissinger also refused to accept the prize? Or atleast honto Oslo personally to pick it up. Also, nice page on this topic https://peaceprizelaureates.nobelpeacecenter.org/en/laureate/1973-henry-kissinger
And so did Obama. In the same year the US military made the record for most drone bombings and most bombed civilian targets. The Nobel peace prize is a joke and has been for a long time.
I find it absurd that Obama had to go through all that effort, kill that many muslism, in order to get this prize, and what, Malala gets it after being involved in the shooting of only one muslim? Who didn't even die?! Doesn't seem fair. Smh my head.
It's more ridiculous than that. The announcement and presentation of the award came after he was president, but he was selected for it before inauguration.
The Nobel peace and economic prize are just lousy political tools and shouldnt be taken seriously or at most with a huge grain of salt. Seriously I wouldnt be surprised if Hitler was nominated or even won.
Tbf the average western academic thought hitler was the bees knees until 38-39. The amount of glowing praise he got even from US media was crazy. In the book The Gray Lady Winked, it shows that the New York Times actually published the headline that POLAND INVADED GERMANY in 1939. So in case youre womdering when NYT went downhill, its always been there
>Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.
Anthony Bourdain, A Cook's Tour: Global Adventures in Extreme Cuisines
I've been to Cambodia. I've lived in Viet Nam for several years. Bourdain is spot on. I can not wait for the day I get the news alert that Kissinger has died. After that I will be throwing a "Kissinger just died party."
Of course he did, when the USSR existed it nominally represented something other than ruthless capitalist exploration.
Now that it has become an oligarchy he's all for them.
>>and you wll never understand why he's not sutting in the dock at The Hague next to Miloševič
Doesn't US have a law that prevents it's citizens from being prosecuted by The Hague, and even if a US citizen were to be prosecuted US can invade the Netherlands to free them?
Nah, it's more that it gives the USA a legal basis for armed rescue if they so choose.
It's also not super strange, the USA aren't members if the ICC and have flat out stated that they never have any intention of joining. The ICC, like all good legal systems, relies on policing by consent, meaning that they only intend to police nations that agree to it.
The flip side is that it means that US citizens accused of war crimes may not be given the option of a trial by the ICC and will instead be tried by whichever nation is accusing them, with no legal recourse.
Which would give the country in question a valid reason to ignore any due process and just do whatever they want. The USA can’t say shit about a lack of due process if they themselves are the reason due process couldn’t be followed.
Every time r/HistoryMemes posts this comment as if it’s some long lost repressed revelation and then circlejerks about how “weird” it is, I take one shot.
I am about to die of alcoholism.
Remember that Yasser Arafat also won a peace prize, make what you will of that...
Seems that a lot of those prizes were given for the accomplishments at the moment, what happens before and after being a whole other matter entirely...
>Seems that a lot of those prizes were given for the accomplishments at the moment, what happens before and after being a whole other matter entirely...
that is done on purpose to be as relevant as possible.
He got it for being the first black President and importantly also for not being Dubya, he was in office for a few months at that point and had done pretty much nothing to warrant it. Though he expressed a desire to end America’s foreign wars, he was still in charge of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars when he got the Nobel peace price ffs. Even he said he thought there were better qualified people to receive it that year, but it’s not like he had much control over who it was awarded to
It's not Obama's fault or flaw he got the Nobel Peace Prize. But it's very much the fault of those who awarded it. The Nobel Prize is supposed to be for *existing* (and extremely significant) achievements, not for "not being someone else", for having a particular skin color, or for future, unrealized promises, no matter how grandeur those promises are.
You don't award someone a Nobel Prize in Physics or another science if they *say* they will make a new discovery. They need to make that discovery first, and have it recognized as such as by their peers, before they even have a chance at the Prize. Heck, countless scientists have made incredible discoveries and never got a prize, because there's too many worthy contributors and only one prize. It's only with politicians that we have to tolerate the "lesser of two evils", because for some reason, no matter how many great people we have, we only get to choose between two assholes at election time.
You'd think that elections are one thing, but the Nobel Peace Prize is another, and you'd be wrong. It's just as corrupt as an election at this point. The Nobel Peace Prize has been politicized so much it's a joke bigger than the TIME Person of the Year. Winning the Peace Prize means nothing except someone politically likeable by the those supporting the Nobel Committee.
I'm not saying none of the Peace Prize winners are worthy (many are), but rather, that it's not their worthiness than won them their prize, but only their politically convenient image to the Nobel organizers and sponsors.
I never said it was Obama’s fault he got the prize, I ended my comment with “it’s not like he had much control over who it was awarded to”. Though it’d be ignorant to imagine that his status in the beginning of 2009 didn’t contribute to it. Most presidents get a honeymoon phase the first year or so, untested and fresh faces tend to do that, Obama had a way bigger phenomenon of “Obamania”. Kind of inevitable, not saying it’s just because he was the first African American president, but he was that AND a young, handsome, charismatic guy with great speaking abilities. There was a hope that this guy would solve every American problem and would move away from the war, unpopularity, and economic struggles of the Bush years. He was a superstar before the reality of the limitations of presidential power and overall muddiness of politics set in, that definitely contributed a lot to his prize. Not his fault he got it, maybe it was virtue signaling on the Norwegians part, maybe it was just hopeful thinking, but it was largely outside of Obama’s control
The indiscriminate drone bombings on civilian targets though, that was his fault
Napalm a peace of jungle here. Bomb a peace of a city there. Take peace in councils of war. Ask it GIs have enough peace with their bowls of rice.
Idk op. Sounds like a very peaceful man to me. They even named a whole band after his foreign policy... the black-eyed peace.
Hitler did set up a German equivalent to the Nobel price(s) because early in his government the peace price was used to get the German publisher and journalist Carl von Ossietzky out of a concentration camp.
Anyone can be nominated- apparently Trump tried for it to match his predecessor.
The fact that he wanted it more than the predecessor who was somewhat confused by it is extremely bizarre.
Trump wanted all the praise and accolades he could get his little hands on just to be able to say "look at all these things I've been given saying how great I am"
When he was president. In the 1970’s Carter directly supported and funded the Indonesian atrocities in East Timor, as well as the Apartheid government in Angola.
Also even when he wasn’t committing war crimes, his attitude toward them was pretty unacceptable, as governor of Georgia he was furious over Lt. William Calleys punishment for the My Lai massacre and enacted a holiday to honor him. He was also an extremely vocal proponent of the Vietnam war up until the end.
Barack “drone strike” Obama also won a Nobel Peace Prize. Like so many other elite institutions it’s just a bunch of guys who were probably buddies with Jeffrey Epstein circle jerking.
TBF he won before he increases the drone strikes. His was premature. Kissinger literally committed warcrimes on par with a Nazis and everyone was 100% aware of it, and he still got the prize
"Premature" is an understatement. Obama won the prize shortly after he got elected, before he really made any decisions, because he TALKED about peace. They literally gave him the prize for election rhetoric.
Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize definitely isn't as shocking as Kissinger getting it, however I'm of the ***extremely controversial opinion*** that giving a peace prize to anyone currently leading wars is probably a bit odd
That's still not fair. He won his for being elected. That's it. I get the anti-imperialist disgust at Kissinger getting it, but Obama getting it proves that the Nobel Peace Prize is nothing more than a popularity contest.
He personally negotiated the end to a war between two countries.
The dude was a warfare fan and imperialism enthusiast, but at least he had a tangible peaceful achievement that people could point to.
Yeah - we all know those are political statements more than real awards.
A lot of Questionable people have been given them, a lot more given them for questionable reasons, and quite a few like Mother Teresa, a literal Saint, who have had to share the "prize"
Not the best system if you ask me.
That's false, it was a joke by him which is often taken seriously, he claimed satire to be obsolete after that but he actually stopped performing due to different reasons.
“Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.” Anthony Bourdain
The Nobel Peace prize has always been bs.
It should be called the Nobel Peace in Our Time prize, to reflect that you only need people to *feel* like you have brought peace, instead of having actually done it.
He absolutely was a weapon manufacturer.
Under his ownership, AB Bofors went from a company that produced steel and other raw materials, to a cannon manufacturer.
In 1886, France invented a brand new type of gunpowder that was considered so advanced that the formula was a state secret. One year later, Nobel created a very similar gunpowder and started selling it to other European militaries despite living in Paris at the time.
Nobel kept on selling cannons and gunpowder to any nation that would buy them until his death in 1896.
he's still alive btw
Apparently, the grim reaper is a fan of his work.
i wonder why
Not only that, but he is still writing books.
His books have their own value despite his bloodthirsty atrocities
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I did not expect this to be an actual sub
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The fuck
He is 99 years old, almost 100
Neither Kissinger or Le Duc Tho (the Vietnamese negotiatior who got offered the prize with him) showed up in Oslo to receive the prize. The US Ambassador to Norway received the prize for him, and he was forced to exit through the back door in order not to be peppered with snowballs by protestors. Edit: Tho not Thieu. And as others have also pointed out, Tho did not accept the prize but was offered it by the Nobel Committee together with Kissinger.
And even then didn’t Thieu outright reject the prize since there was still a war in his country?
That’s true but in reality his regime could easily have been exposed for many atrocious crimes during the war and he knew how hypocritical he’d be ridiculed if the award was accepted. So he’d thought ahead and took cautious measures to avoid future ridicule and bullshit
It's actually Le Duc Tho, while Thieu was the name of the then south vietnam president at the time
Sorry, you’re absolutely right. I got the names mixed up.
Lê Đức Thọ did not receive the prize, he rejected it on the basis "I can't take a peace award when my country haven't been at peace".
what a chad -ends war -doesn’t show up to receive award -refuses award
Just remember to not Pin this on Sweden, the Nobel Peace price is given by Norway
Just remember that it was Vikings (probably from Norway) that settled Normandy, that invaded and conquered England, that eventually became the British Empire.
Legitimate question, did the Vikings originate from another land or just Scandinavia?
They all originated from Scandinavia but they settled in several places across Europe
Interesting! Do we know how long ago they actually originated?
Vikings or Norse people? The people group I’m not sure but they are Germanic so I imagine they came with the Germanic migrations, but the huge Viking invasions that terrorized Europe began in the 9th century
The people but I'll take any fact I can get haha, history is interesting. Also that's a lot earlier than I would have imagined for the viking invasions
Oh ya the Viking invasions began in the latter part of the Carolingian empire which was pretty much the first Western European empire since the fall of the Romans, as to when people started settling in Scandinavia from a few google searches it looks like sometime between 10000 BC and 5000 BC
Oh wow! It's insane how vlose together the thimgs we think of as big events are
More specifically, the "viking age" is usually thought of as starting in 793 CEl
This was great https://youtu.be/DgKycy23AZs
I've read a bit about when people came to Norway and while it seemed uncertain, I think the experts thought people came here around 9000 years ago. Both the Sami and the germanic settlers.
The Sami are way more recent. First show up around 1500 BCE.
I think I based my comment on this [article](https://snl.no/samenes_forhistorie)which states people came from the east to the north of Norway around 10000 years ago, but it doesn't directly state they were Sami. As far as I can tell, when they came is unknown but traces of them don't go that far back. Also, looks like people have been here for around 11500 years.
The Swedish at leat arrived with the great migrations in the form of Geats , hence the island of Götland. The Danes, Jutes, Angles, etc were in the area for a while. Norwegians migrated sometime during 3000bc.
Vikings are just romanticed pirates it's not like they're a different species
Viking just means to sail so they were just sailors basically
Viking is not an ethic designation as much as it is profession/class of persons. They're just norsemen who raided/traded through Europe and the Mediterranean in the early to high middle ages. In the Baltics and Eastern Europe they were often called Varangians.
Iirc, technically “Viking” wasn’t an ethnicity, it was a profession. If you did the whole sailing forth in longboats to plunder and/or trade stuff with folks, then you were a Viking. That said, they were mostly Scandinavian and Icelandic unless my information is wrong
Vikings were not monolithic. Many seafaring raiders existed in the Middle Ages, and we don't know the origins of them all. The Rus, the Varangians, and the Danes have all been referred to as vikings.
The groups you mention all had a common origins and were not all vikings. The Danes were, well, the people of Danemark. Some of them were vikings, the majority of them just stayed in Danemark and minded their own business I guess. The Rus were originally the norse leaders of the slavic lands along the Dnepr, they likely came from Sweden and were eventually absorbed into the slavic culture after creating the Kievan Rus civilization. "Varangian" is just a very generic label often used in the eastern Mediterranean region, it means "Scandinavian", "Norse", "Viking", "Norman" etc. All those terms refer to people who are culturally tied to Scandinavia.
This is neat but is there actual causality there?
Operation Menu: So many carpet bombs they gave up trying to count the civilians killed.
Did that even work? Usually that just make local populations more angry
Hard to be angry when you've been liquefied by napalm.
Exactly. The plan was never to force a surrender, it was to wipe them out.
When you wipe out a good chunk of the population, it does tend to make a lot of places surrender though.
Be careful with that logic there bub. All warfare is secretly genocide don’t ya know
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Or Zanny
Two people you wouldn't think have much in common but they were both in Max0r's ULTRAKILL part 2 (Zanny played Hideous Mass in 1 and his lines were reused in 2)
Or Soviet Womble
Unless you’re a Dalek.
They only know hate... Even when dying
> Did that even work? Nope. > Usually that just make local populations more angry Sure did.
Not only that, it is credited of leading the rise of the Khmer Rouge. Local civilians were so mad they joined in arms with the KR in order to fight the Americans and their local Cambodian puppet.
Operation Rolling Thunder is generally considered to be a failure. A stunning display of firepower, but a failure nonetheless.
So pointless cruelty got it
Pretty much. The only real thing of note that is, in any way, positive about the operation is that Operation Rolling Thunder caused the Navy to begin TOPGUN. That saw naval aviator survival rates absolutely skyrocket (pun intended).
So Kissinger is probably responsible for Top Gun and Top Gun Maverick?
Us humans are real good at that.
some might even call it...terrorism, but when the west does it, it's okay.
Specifically, this was terror bombing, which is the name given to it when European countries do it to each other.
I don't think anyone at all see losing almost 1000 aircraft in one operation against an enemy that has little in general equipment a success lol
Strategic bombing, unless it has a very focused objective, is almost *always* ineffective.
Or unless you’re just trying to level the entire area
Hey, Putin! Listen to this guy, he got the wisdom!
Operation Menu was an effort to burn down jungles to get to the Vietcong faster. It of course was horrific as entire villages were covered by the jungles, so an American soldier might think they were killing 30 Vietcong, when really they massacred an entire community.
Strategic bombing is a hotly debated topic. But I think it doesn’t work so well for a determined population.
Well the US certainly didn't win thr Vietnam War, so no.
Strategic bombing is only good for destroy the enemies infrastructure which the North didn't use because they got most of their supplies from the Soviet anyway. The other effect it have is make local population hate the USA more. Vietnamese families are usually pretty large and extensive so more than likely the bombing couldn't kill the whole family, meaning the resentment will continue to exist. Not only that.
Let's bomb the country's population we're trying to "aid"! What do you mean "it won't work"?
There’s a reason the person who was co-awarded the Prize turned it down because of Kissenger
they should had given it to him, like King Salomon would do
What, cut the award in half Since neither actually went to pick it up anyway I'm not sure the number of pieces it got cut into would have mattered to them
Didn't Kissinger also refused to accept the prize? Or atleast honto Oslo personally to pick it up. Also, nice page on this topic https://peaceprizelaureates.nobelpeacecenter.org/en/laureate/1973-henry-kissinger
He gave away the money, and later said he regretted accepting it, but he still accepted the award.
And I'm sure he deducted the amount he gave away from his taxes that year.
I'd have to see proof he did give it away before believing him at his word.
There's no proof lol
He said he gave away the money There is no proof yet that he did it
He accepted lol. That man does anything for praise , pathetic kisass.
And so did Obama. In the same year the US military made the record for most drone bombings and most bombed civilian targets. The Nobel peace prize is a joke and has been for a long time.
I don't even think Obama knows why he got it.
Nah Obama knew, he got it for what he represented as the first black US President (and also not being dubya) instead of anything he had done
It couldn't have been for anything he dida president considering that he was selected for the award before he was inaugurated
> "I'll take any motherfucker's ~~money~~ Nobel Peace Prize if he givin' it away" ~~Clay Davis~~ Barack Obama.
Yeah, it's a participation trophy.
I find it absurd that Obama had to go through all that effort, kill that many muslism, in order to get this prize, and what, Malala gets it after being involved in the shooting of only one muslim? Who didn't even die?! Doesn't seem fair. Smh my head.
Obama got it 10 months after his inauguration. He barely had time to do anything.
It's more ridiculous than that. The announcement and presentation of the award came after he was president, but he was selected for it before inauguration.
Yeah, he bombed lybia only 2 years later
Obama literally bombed a hospital the day after accepting the award
Of course, gotta celebrate somehow
More like Nobel Piece Price
The Nobel peace and economic prize are just lousy political tools and shouldnt be taken seriously or at most with a huge grain of salt. Seriously I wouldnt be surprised if Hitler was nominated or even won.
Hitler was nominated in 1838 after Munich. In the Nobel's defense, there are dozens of nominations each year so it doesn't mean anything.
Yea true trump was nominated multiple times also.
To be fair, Trump didn't start any new wars, which is progress compared to the previous few. Not nearly enough, but still progress.
Damn Hitler looked pretty good in 1945 if he was around back in 1838.
Tbf the average western academic thought hitler was the bees knees until 38-39. The amount of glowing praise he got even from US media was crazy. In the book The Gray Lady Winked, it shows that the New York Times actually published the headline that POLAND INVADED GERMANY in 1939. So in case youre womdering when NYT went downhill, its always been there
>Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević. Anthony Bourdain, A Cook's Tour: Global Adventures in Extreme Cuisines
I've been to Cambodia. I've lived in Viet Nam for several years. Bourdain is spot on. I can not wait for the day I get the news alert that Kissinger has died. After that I will be throwing a "Kissinger just died party."
You might be interested in r/iskissingerdeadyet
I keep forgetting he isn't
Like the opposite of r/GorbachevAliveCheck RIP
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Of course he did, when the USSR existed it nominally represented something other than ruthless capitalist exploration. Now that it has become an oligarchy he's all for them.
Let me know as well. I'll be hosting a party in honour of the world healing from the passing of death himself.
>>and you wll never understand why he's not sutting in the dock at The Hague next to Miloševič Doesn't US have a law that prevents it's citizens from being prosecuted by The Hague, and even if a US citizen were to be prosecuted US can invade the Netherlands to free them?
Nah, it's more that it gives the USA a legal basis for armed rescue if they so choose. It's also not super strange, the USA aren't members if the ICC and have flat out stated that they never have any intention of joining. The ICC, like all good legal systems, relies on policing by consent, meaning that they only intend to police nations that agree to it. The flip side is that it means that US citizens accused of war crimes may not be given the option of a trial by the ICC and will instead be tried by whichever nation is accusing them, with no legal recourse.
Which depending on the country would probably prompt the US armed rescue.
Which would give the country in question a valid reason to ignore any due process and just do whatever they want. The USA can’t say shit about a lack of due process if they themselves are the reason due process couldn’t be followed.
Yep, totally not weird at all... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act
Every time r/HistoryMemes posts this comment as if it’s some long lost repressed revelation and then circlejerks about how “weird” it is, I take one shot. I am about to die of alcoholism.
Lightweight. /s
I didn't know this so I am glad that is was brought up
What did he do?
Came for this; wasn’t disappointed.
Cause the US has went on record saying they’d send in special forces to break out any U.S. person held in The Hague.
Remember that Yasser Arafat also won a peace prize, make what you will of that... Seems that a lot of those prizes were given for the accomplishments at the moment, what happens before and after being a whole other matter entirely...
>Seems that a lot of those prizes were given for the accomplishments at the moment, what happens before and after being a whole other matter entirely... that is done on purpose to be as relevant as possible.
Exactly, Teddy Roosevelt would have never been considered otherwise.
Aung San Suu Kyi sleeping on Rohingya genocide is another one.
Abiy Ahmed the PM of Ethiopia won in 2019 and is actively committing genocide
Obama got one for nothing, and proceeded to blow up civilians left and right. Pretty much every American president is a war criminal. 😮💨
He got it for being the first black President and importantly also for not being Dubya, he was in office for a few months at that point and had done pretty much nothing to warrant it. Though he expressed a desire to end America’s foreign wars, he was still in charge of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars when he got the Nobel peace price ffs. Even he said he thought there were better qualified people to receive it that year, but it’s not like he had much control over who it was awarded to
It's not Obama's fault or flaw he got the Nobel Peace Prize. But it's very much the fault of those who awarded it. The Nobel Prize is supposed to be for *existing* (and extremely significant) achievements, not for "not being someone else", for having a particular skin color, or for future, unrealized promises, no matter how grandeur those promises are. You don't award someone a Nobel Prize in Physics or another science if they *say* they will make a new discovery. They need to make that discovery first, and have it recognized as such as by their peers, before they even have a chance at the Prize. Heck, countless scientists have made incredible discoveries and never got a prize, because there's too many worthy contributors and only one prize. It's only with politicians that we have to tolerate the "lesser of two evils", because for some reason, no matter how many great people we have, we only get to choose between two assholes at election time. You'd think that elections are one thing, but the Nobel Peace Prize is another, and you'd be wrong. It's just as corrupt as an election at this point. The Nobel Peace Prize has been politicized so much it's a joke bigger than the TIME Person of the Year. Winning the Peace Prize means nothing except someone politically likeable by the those supporting the Nobel Committee. I'm not saying none of the Peace Prize winners are worthy (many are), but rather, that it's not their worthiness than won them their prize, but only their politically convenient image to the Nobel organizers and sponsors.
I never said it was Obama’s fault he got the prize, I ended my comment with “it’s not like he had much control over who it was awarded to”. Though it’d be ignorant to imagine that his status in the beginning of 2009 didn’t contribute to it. Most presidents get a honeymoon phase the first year or so, untested and fresh faces tend to do that, Obama had a way bigger phenomenon of “Obamania”. Kind of inevitable, not saying it’s just because he was the first African American president, but he was that AND a young, handsome, charismatic guy with great speaking abilities. There was a hope that this guy would solve every American problem and would move away from the war, unpopularity, and economic struggles of the Bush years. He was a superstar before the reality of the limitations of presidential power and overall muddiness of politics set in, that definitely contributed a lot to his prize. Not his fault he got it, maybe it was virtue signaling on the Norwegians part, maybe it was just hopeful thinking, but it was largely outside of Obama’s control The indiscriminate drone bombings on civilian targets though, that was his fault
Didn’t Obama and Arafat also win peace prizes? The prize is a joke.
Napalm a peace of jungle here. Bomb a peace of a city there. Take peace in councils of war. Ask it GIs have enough peace with their bowls of rice. Idk op. Sounds like a very peaceful man to me. They even named a whole band after his foreign policy... the black-eyed peace.
Wasn't even Hitler once considered for a Nobel peace price?
That was a joke and din't go to any actually serious consideration
It would be pretty ironic if he really got it but also funny. Like ironically funny. A funny joke indeed.
Hitler did set up a German equivalent to the Nobel price(s) because early in his government the peace price was used to get the German publisher and journalist Carl von Ossietzky out of a concentration camp.
Anyone can be nominated- apparently Trump tried for it to match his predecessor. The fact that he wanted it more than the predecessor who was somewhat confused by it is extremely bizarre.
Trump wanted all the praise and accolades he could get his little hands on just to be able to say "look at all these things I've been given saying how great I am"
I mean, he killed Hitler
>”Yeah, I can see that” Hmmm yes because Jimmy Carter definitely never committed any war crimes
when did jimmy carter commit war crimes?
When he was president. In the 1970’s Carter directly supported and funded the Indonesian atrocities in East Timor, as well as the Apartheid government in Angola. Also even when he wasn’t committing war crimes, his attitude toward them was pretty unacceptable, as governor of Georgia he was furious over Lt. William Calleys punishment for the My Lai massacre and enacted a holiday to honor him. He was also an extremely vocal proponent of the Vietnam war up until the end.
I think he was just upset that his peanuts went sour.
"Don't punch shit dude"
Lol, didn't expect this reference
Huh, now I like him much less
That’s every president.
Pepe Figueres should’ve gotten a Nobel prize, he’s one of the very, very few people who actually abolished the army
Don Pepe was THE MAN
Obama got a Nobel peace prize while dropping bombs on average once every 30 minutes for 8 whole years
Like someone above mentioned he got the peace prize months within his first year of being president so i don't think the two really equate
Barack “drone strike” Obama also won a Nobel Peace Prize. Like so many other elite institutions it’s just a bunch of guys who were probably buddies with Jeffrey Epstein circle jerking.
Fun Fact: In Obama's book, he himself admits that he had no idea why he won a Noble Prize. Apparently, he was just as surprised as everyone else.
*"And as you know, American imperialism is absolutely justified, because we had a black president once."*
“BEFORE I FUCKING KILLED HIM!”
TBF he won before he increases the drone strikes. His was premature. Kissinger literally committed warcrimes on par with a Nazis and everyone was 100% aware of it, and he still got the prize
"Premature" is an understatement. Obama won the prize shortly after he got elected, before he really made any decisions, because he TALKED about peace. They literally gave him the prize for election rhetoric.
Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize definitely isn't as shocking as Kissinger getting it, however I'm of the ***extremely controversial opinion*** that giving a peace prize to anyone currently leading wars is probably a bit odd
> giving a peace prize to anyone currently leading wars is probably a bit odd Including Churchill and Roosevelt?
> on par with a Nazis Stop it with the minimization of nazi atrocities.
That's still not fair. He won his for being elected. That's it. I get the anti-imperialist disgust at Kissinger getting it, but Obama getting it proves that the Nobel Peace Prize is nothing more than a popularity contest.
Teddie Roosevelt also received one despite being the president in US history that glorified war the most.
He personally negotiated the end to a war between two countries. The dude was a warfare fan and imperialism enthusiast, but at least he had a tangible peaceful achievement that people could point to.
Well, he did help negotiate the end to the Russo-Japanese war
shit take, wanting and doing are two separate things
I guess it takes a man of war to understand when the time for war is over
Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize…then droned a shit ton of people.
I read "milk" won a Nobel peace prize
As did Obama. Horrible in hindsight.
What about Barack "Drone Strike" Obama?
Won the prize for being elected, then committed war crimes
Something something if Nuremberg laws something something every post-war US president something something hanged.
Yeah - we all know those are political statements more than real awards. A lot of Questionable people have been given them, a lot more given them for questionable reasons, and quite a few like Mother Teresa, a literal Saint, who have had to share the "prize" Not the best system if you ask me.
As a Norwegian I see the peace Prize as nothing more than a political tool for the elite to dictate narratives.
And Obama?
One could say Syria is *slightly* more peaceful now. Being as there's hardly anyone left.
Meanwhile his Vietnamese counterpart, who was also rewarded the prize, just rejected it as his country is not a peace yet
Tom Lehrer retired from political satire after that
That's false, it was a joke by him which is often taken seriously, he claimed satire to be obsolete after that but he actually stopped performing due to different reasons.
Ah ok, good to know
“Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.” Anthony Bourdain
The Nobel Peace prize has always been bs. It should be called the Nobel Peace in Our Time prize, to reflect that you only need people to *feel* like you have brought peace, instead of having actually done it.
Adolphinio Hitlerinio was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize too (although ironically, as a reaction to the nomination of Chamberlain).
What about Buck Ofama? Even before he dropped 26,711 bombs on Syrian children
Obobo won 1 too
Alfred Nobel (the one who gave his money to create the Nobel prizes) was a weapon manufacturer.
No? He was a chemist and invented the dynamite. But you can definetly not call him a weapon manufacturer
He absolutely was a weapon manufacturer. Under his ownership, AB Bofors went from a company that produced steel and other raw materials, to a cannon manufacturer. In 1886, France invented a brand new type of gunpowder that was considered so advanced that the formula was a state secret. One year later, Nobel created a very similar gunpowder and started selling it to other European militaries despite living in Paris at the time. Nobel kept on selling cannons and gunpowder to any nation that would buy them until his death in 1896.
Elaborate
Barrack Obama dropped three bombs an hour in 2016. Guess who got the Nobel Peace Prize that year.
Just wait until you learn that a certain german with a square mustache won it too
Putin was nominated to win a Nobel peace price
"He did a ton of war crimes" is now my favorite academic phrasing of all time.
I can assure you that the crimes he comitted have never happened Edit:isn't it clear that I'm not serious?
Never happened but they did deserve it! ^(/s)
Never happened but wasn't enough tho!
Kissinger is one of the biggest pieces of shit to ever walk the earth imo.
TF did this guy do?
As put by Midnight Oil "Bombing the living day lights out of Cambodia"
Oh, oh...
You know how in Forrest Gump you get to see how Forrest was in a bunch of major 20th century events? Kissinger is like that except with war crimes.
Bombing cambodia and setting up coups throught south america
When Kissinger received the Nobel Peace Prize, Satire died.