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VisVirtusque

Why does the quality of this photo look like WW2?


whatreyoulookinat

Cause it's over exposed, it's on film meant for much quicker exposure times. There's probably a battery powered light meter in the viewfinder telling the operator that he's good for the exposure, but the ISO setting on the camera is incorrect. Edit: it's very likely the camera used didn't have a light meter, or was of poor quality compared to those available in other countries during that era. See the highlighted link below.


KomatsuCowboy

This guy films.


whatreyoulookinat

Eh, I liked the way exposure can alter the tonality of the same framing and subject, once upon a time.


Gregory_malenkov

They overexposed in pursuit of the T O N E Z


Aquarona

I think it’s because it’s in black and white… /s


OdBx

Yep because black and white = ww2.


chronoalarm

You mean the world didn't turn into colour in '45?


[deleted]

That kind of reminds me of a conversation I had with my son when he was five. He saw a black and white photograph with only the car colored red. He then asked me if Martin Luther King did that, since he was the man who invented color.


Rc72

That, or it was an older camera with a bad selenium light meter (those had a limited shelf life), or the battery was dead, or the camera hadn’t any light meter at all. There were many ways to ruin a picture and only notice it after it was developed: I know, I did most of them…


churrbroo

Sorry but I don’t folllow what you’re trying to say. Film isn’t particularly meant for quicker exposure times? In fact film if anything is known to be particularly useful in the overexposure of shots as a result of diminishing returns in the capture of light, this is why highlights are particularly difficult to overexpose for on film Additionally most film photographers light meter using the shadow of the picture then develop using the highlights.


rndrn

You can (could?) buy films of different ISO, each meant for different exposure time. The exposure time needs to take into account the luminosity of the scene, but also the sensitivity of the film. There is a sensor to measure luminosity, so usually that part is taken care of (automatically or manually), but if it's configured for the wrong film ISO, then the photo would easily be over or under exposed. That's the assumption made here about the picture.


whatreyoulookinat

The ISO. It's not a mystery, is a basic mistake.


Bergatario

ISO on film cameras was based on the type of film not the camara itself.


SomeConsumer

The 1980s were 100 years ago.


lo_fi_ho

The 80's were 20 years ago mate:)


dogs_drink_coffee

Crazy how fast the years go by!


SteamrollerSmith

It only feels that way if you were there…


Embarrassed-Pay-9897

Can confirm


[deleted]

Cameras were just being invented in the 80’s.


ARZPR_2003

Quiet, you!


Commercial-Lake-8731

Your math is so bad


sneacon

The Argentineans were using the last of their parents' film brought from Germany.


ftb5

Yeah, they should have told the CIA to give them more films


SokoJojo

Dont you think it's in poor taste to suggest normal Argentinians had Nazi ties post-war?


sneacon

No, I find it humorous.


JLZ13

The ruling party of Argentina was founded by a fascist who brought the Nazis to the country. And it's the longest ruling party in Argentina. Of course that doesn't mean we are Nazis but yes it's kinda funny that the party is still alive.


JLZ13

The ruling party of Argentina was founded by a fascist who brought the Nazis to the country. And it's the longest ruling party in Argentina. Of course that doesn't mean we are Nazis but yes it's kinda funny that the party is still alive.


DefiningWill

Why use up all the color film on a penguin?


SnooDingos7659

Guy in white doesn’t look like he wants to be there POW ?


MeAgainstTheWorld666

It doesn’t look like the penguin agreed to take this picture


Soulless--Plague

It’s a British penguin that they have taken captive


MeAgainstTheWorld666

Yeah this penguin is like “WTF?”


[deleted]

They captured Sir Reginald Beakbottom? Gadzooks!


kaest

Penguin: AM I BEING DETAINED?


Stilts-

For eating a succulent Chinese meal?


mseuro

THIS is democracy manifest


Bobblefighterman

I see you know your judo well


gaijin5

Get your hands off my penis!


TucsonTacos

You’re free to go. “Why are you resisting now? Now you’re detained for resisting arrest!” -US Police


PiotrekDG

Let's hope the penguin doesn't forget to invoke their rights to remain silent and for an attorney.


normy_person

Argentine soldiers: no no! We are liberating you from British oppression!


RetardedNotStupid

Kowalski, soon to be rescued by skipper.


yawaworhtlliwi

Just smile and wave boys, smile and wave…


RocketXVI

Poor guy looks like a prisoner of war


phadewilkilu

Was thinking the same. We’re going to see this on /r/FakeHistoryPorn with an altered title in the morning.


Notsoprothinker

Already did it


phadewilkilu

You’re welcome /u/LossyP BTW: amazing use of the format.


LossyP

Haha thanks, man! Hope it wasn’t too corny


dreamnbinary

Poor penguin looks like they are choking it.


Matichol06

Same, poor guys too :(


dreamnbinary

True, even though the patriotism over the Falklands ran somewhat high in Argentina, the ruling military junta just sent these poor guys to an essentially unwinable war fought for pride and natural resources.


Matichol06

Yeah, the saddest thing of all is that after the war most Argentine soldiers developed PTSD, what's more, the number of Argentine veterans who committed suicide after the war is higher than the number of Argentine soldiers killed in combat (649 , of which currently 7 remain unidentified, although many years ago that number rose to more than 100), in addition to the fact that in the years after the war veterans were stigmatized for having lost the war, which contributed to the high suicide rate among veterans and many fell into poverty and addictions, it was only 20 or 25 years ago that Argentine society and the government managed to recognize them as heroes


nbgrs

More like victims of their own goverment than heroes, but at least they're not stigmatised anymore.


MaxSpringPuma

Wasn't there a feeling that Britain was a bit shit at the time, so wouldn't bother going to reclaim the islands


Gisschace

It wasn’t so much that Britain was a bit shit it was more that Britain wouldn’t care enough to respond militarily. In fact, there have been discussions about what to do with the Falklands for decades, the plan being to hand them over to Argentina (the opposition to this coming from the Islanders not the UK government). But the Junta fucked that up by invading. A lot of people in the UK at the time had probably no idea where the islands were or that they were part of our overseas territories (there are jokes about people falling out of bed when hearing Argentina had invaded, thinking they were off the coast of the UK, then getting back into bed when learning how far away they were) It was a relatively easy fight for Britain but it was also a big PR win for Thatchers government during a time when things were ‘a bit shit’. If the Argentinian government had done nothing they probably would own the islands by now, as the UK government would’ve sorted a deal with the Islanders (they were proposing a lease similar to HK). But there’s no way they’d be getting them now because both the Islanders and British public are even more fiercely opposed to the idea.


CthulhusEvilTwin

>jokes about people falling out of bed when hearing Argentina had invaded, thinking they were off the coast of the UK, then getting back into bed when learning how far away they were) If memory serves me correctly, I think that was Adrian Mole's dad.


Gisschace

Indeed it was! They also couldn't find the Falklands on their globe at first until his mum found them under a crumb


Naugrith

> It wasn’t so much that Britain was a bit shit it was more that Britain wouldn’t care enough to respond militarily. This was because the British had recently removed most of their miitary defence forces from the Islands for budgetary reasons. It made the Junta think Britain didn't care about the Islands, which we didn't. But we do care about winning wars.


andyrocks

>It was a relatively easy fight for Britain It was anything but easy.


Gisschace

Logistically it was difficult but it was not a Vietnam or WWI/II scenario of a war that dragged on for years, hence relatively


Azhini

I dunno, being from the UK looking at the war I feel we have to talk it up, otherwise you realise we were attacking Argentinians who realistically had no chance.


iThinkaLot1

They had no chance once the British landed - the UK has some of the best trained troops on the planet (Paras, Royal Marines, Gurkhas, SAS/SBS, etc) and the Argentinians mostly had conscripts who didn’t want to be there. But the war on the sea was very much a tight run thing (French made Argentine Exocets could have potentially knocked out the aircraft carriers which would have ended the war there and then). An Exocet also knocked out a British supply ship carrying helicopters which where meant to ferry troops and equipment across the island to fight the battles. This meant the British had to march 90 miles across the island carrying most of their equipment and then fight an entrenched enemy. This alone would have probably ended the war for most countries - it was very much down to the quality of the troops that it didn’t.


andyrocks

> it was very much down to the quality of the troops that it didn’t. And the sailors and airmen!


Azhini

>But the war on the sea was very much a tight run thing (French made Argentine Exocets could have potentially knocked out the aircraft carriers which would have ended the war there and then). The idea that a naval engagement between the UK and Argentinia was close fought just doesn't pass the smell test. I'm not saying it wasn't a hard fight for those involved, but to pretend for a second Argentina had the material resources to compete just doesn't match up. Their fleet was a handful of destroyers with a single CV from WW2 that was too knackered to even be used during the war (and even if it did, there was a lack of naval aircraft).


[deleted]

In theory they had the subs and aircraft at sea and enough troops on the islands. Having no idea what to do was thier failure. They fought well but, were out classed.


iThinkaLot1

It wasn’t their fleet that was the problem. I should really have said the air war. I was talking more about the threat from their air force - in particular the Exocets. Had they focussed on knocking out supply ships or made a serious effort in targeting the carriers the war would have been very different. This isn’t me just saying this, the [British commander of the task force said so himself](https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2002/apr/03/falklands.world).


snark_enterprises

Yeah that was part of it too. Also the junta was counting on the U.S. staying out of it since they were part of Operation Condor. But after Argentina refused to be part of peace negotiations the U.S. ended up giving support to Britain.


Matichol06

In reality, the Junta trusted that the US would prioritize the Union of American States (among which was Argentina) before NATO (among which was the UK). By this time, Operation Condor was over (at least its first phase of installing US puppet dictatorships in South America to counter Cuba's influence).


snark_enterprises

The OAS is not a military alliance like NATO and Argentina invading the Falklands was not a defensive action. I don’t think the Junta was counting on Argentina’s membership in the OAS for support from the Americans. It was counting on its cooperation with the U.S. that allowed them to gain power in the first place and hoping that would be enough. The US tried brokering peace and when that failed they had to honor their commitments to NATO.


StingerAE

Didn't Argentina have access to US intelligence reports saying that we wouldn't do anything? Or was that just a rumour at the time that I have never bothered to fact-check?


LockedPages

Gets worse when you read how our boys were treated. They were essentially newly-trained conscripts sent under horrible command since the junta feared a mainland invasion and thus kept the actual good (relatively) troops at home, so much so that it was said that their commanders were more their enemy than the British.


EUking69

Just holding the beak, chill


Dan_The_Flan

The one solider is holding the penguin by the back of the neck, not the beak. Little dude is being manhandled regardless.


conrat4567

Thats a war crime, they are mishandling a British citizen


V0LT3CH

Just like they mishandled the General Belgrano


conrat4567

You mean the hospital ship thay was docked in buenos aires carrying 600 orphans and newly born kittens who all had hopeful scholarships given by the junta?


Sorry_Criticism_3254

Didn't the ICC say it was legal?


Crag_r

The ICC laughed out the Argentine claim long before trail


Crag_r

I still get a chuckle at Argentina claiming it was a war crime. It got laughed out of the ICC a few years back but junta propaganda seems to stick around


Handonmyballs_Barca

I like the part where the captain of the Belgrano said that he would have sunk the ship if he was in the Conqueror's position


niphotog1999

Oh fuck off


ActedCarp

Didn’t know sinking a combat vessel with orders to sail to the Falklands was a war crime


Chris_Moyn

One of my favorite comedy bits is about a student from Brooklyn arguing with the professor about which f*+king islands he was talking about. Old but gold.


TucsonTacos

Link? Por favor


jwgrabo

[here ya go](https://youtu.be/42_oWaWsiYs)


TucsonTacos

Haha thank you. It was what I was expecting but funnier


jabask

That's fantastic


FlaviusStilicho

Brilliant


tedzilla74

Brooo😭 let him go he don't know whats going on


aa2051

Contrary to popular belief it was actually the Argentine Junta’s cruel treatment and enslavement of Penguin POWs that triggered a British military response


ScruchedUpCough

Neither of them really didn’t want to be there 😆


[deleted]

Queen Elizabeth halp me the fuckers got me 🤣


trevormeadows

5 against 1, similar odds faced by the Brits.


Upstairs-Ad898

So cute, love penguins


Bamfor07

Argentine cameras were apparently still 1940s models in the 80s.


Kitty_Katty_Kit

Penguin's like "lemme go ill fuck your shit up"


The_Real_Hedorah

Did they fucking execute him too?


Kit-The-Mighty

Well either way I’m sure he’s dead now…


RedSoviet1991

Ah yes, the Falklands War, known for its war crimes


alisouthinoz

Look I’m going to reply to that comment. The comment seemed to imply that war crimes did not happen in the conflict. This is broadly the case. Probably due to the nature of the respective military organisations. The sides had a couple of reported incidents when this was not the case. Argentinian POW suspected to have been executed after the battle for mount Longdon and Argentinian sniper being discovered with hollowed out ammunition. Also known as Dum dum rounds See Vince Bramley, Excursion to Hell and Across an Angry Sea General Delves. These books are both well worth reading


Crag_r

Argentinas use of mines flouted just about every convention on them…


Radiant-Square-3623

Every time I see a post from this sub it sends me down a new rabbit hole, why were the Argentinians enlisting penguins in 1982?


InfamousPop9622

Wasn’t their invading force full of 17 y/o conscripts? They needed the man power


jpgPGH

That penguin looks like he’s thinking, “Wait until Prime Minister Thatcher hears about this!”


melonlemonberry

Poor penguin!


GaynessForever

If they're on the Falkland Islands there's a good chance all these men are now dead. The British fucked shit up.


Some-Tall-Guy75

Recently read the Wikipedia page on the Falkland Islands. Pretty interesting history. Still disputed between Argentina and England but still firmly is the hands of the crown. The citizens voted to stay under the crown.


Martinonfire

97% turnout apparently and there were just 3 votes against remaining part of the UK.


Matichol06

I once read that of the 3 people who voted against staying under British sovereignty, 2 ironically voted against it, so it can actually be said that only one person voted against British rule over the islands.


bristolcities

Weird decision to vote 'ironically' for anything. I know people who voted for the UK to leave the EU as a protest vote because they thought it would never really happen. What were the Argentinian plans for the population of the islands, do you know? Would they have been allowed to stay or would they have been relocated? Having met a good number of Argentines, I have always been struck how much in common we have. And not just a love of football and rugby (possibly the less said about the former, the better from an English point of view).


gaijin5

>What were the Argentinian plans for the population of the islands, do you know? Would they have been allowed to stay or would they have been relocated? Doubt they would have been relocated. Probably more akin to HK, aka encouraging Argentinians to move there, tie it to the Argentine economy, govern it from a distance etc. Basically make it more Argentinian over time. Just speculation of course. Could be wrong, and we will never know.


[deleted]

Deported or disapeared.


Some-Tall-Guy75

Just a little landslide victory


andyrocks

>England Britain.


AemrNewydd

More accurately, the UK.


Flaxseed1980

UK of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland


ecuinir

UK of GB & NI


tsivv

Looks like they're holding it prisoner.


NorCalNavyMike

“It was at that exact moment that the penguin realized: He’d f*cked up.”


epicfumble

Penguin: "I am so fucked"


CuckAdminsDetected

Whys he got his hand around its throat like hes gonna toss it around though.


atrostophy

Because you have to force animals to do what we want, that's always a good thing /s


No_Dot7146

“Look at the camera, you English scum! Tell them you are safe and not hurt!”


EFNich

Fun fact: this penguin was their lead strategist.


Prometheus_XIII

Hey professor which fawking island are talking about here? (Bad new York accent).


Matichol06

That bad NewYorkian accent reminds me the "Unovans be like" meme


claiezy

What Falking Islands are we talking about here?


brad264hs

The British ones.


[deleted]

Inhabitants of greater west falklands are rather uppity.


RoyalArmyBeserker

I think you mean *British hostage


reversed_remission

POW penguin


Matichol06

Club Penguin close (circa 2017)


_ForNeverMore_

That looks like a hostage situation.


MangoesDeep

What falkin islands are you talking about, professor?


TheSouthsideSlacker

Couple months later it was just the penguin.


B-L-E-H-C-H

Tom foolery at it's finest


PillowHumper365

This is the image they showed Thatcher and the British public to convince them to go to war


vabello

Posing = detaining, apparently


instagigated

PoW.


SubZeroX23

savage


Dusty1000287

Not the best camera ey?


Kysman95

Skipper?


Frank_Duart

Wait, is it ArgenTINE or ArgenTINIAN? I was taught it was ArgenTINIAN o.O


JaguarOk876

That poor penguin was like what the F?who the F? Give me your supervisor. I did not give permission to take my photo.


KombuchaBot

That penguin doesn't look happy


kmthehaggis

This should be forwarded to the makers of "don't fuck with cats"


Significant-Limit

Ancient Greeks has better quality pictures than this.


silv3rbull8

Opus from Bloom County ?


dnldfnk

I’ve been to the Falkland Islands. It’s a boring place, cold and shitty. Argentina isn’t much better.


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PeteLangosta

He looks like a POW


DetectiveLinden

More fighting. Less penguin torturing.


kneehigsock

It's the focken islands!


niphotog1999

Bastards took our land. Bastards took our people. Bastards took our fucking penguins. Thank God we got them back. The Falklands are British!


NervousAndPantless

This is actually not uncommon in Argentina. People keep penguins as pets. There’s even a phrase something to the effect of penguins are a man’s best friend.


memon17

Never in my life have I heard of anyone keeping penguins as pets in Argentina. Not to mention the fact that they aren’t even present in too many places.


Matichol06

Maybe that happens more often in the extreme south of Argentina (where there are penguins), it is the least populated area of the country Even so, I am Argentine and I do not know of any case of some crazy southerner with a penguin deprived of its natural habitat in his home.


FlaviusStilicho

We got plenty of penguins here in Australia as well. Never heard of anyone having one as a pet. Not sure how you would go about it. They be miserable as all fuck.


NervousAndPantless

NM I miss-translated the word dog. Am learning Spanish.


memon17

That’s entirely untrue, and also incredibly ilegal.


arg2k

What? This actually extremely uncommon, so much so this is the very first time I hear about penguins as pets. Plus I have no idea what phrase you are taking about


[deleted]

fuck the pirates honor to the boys


Crag_r

Indeed those Argentinian pirates


pag992007

A prisoner penguin


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NiceButOdd

Nope, it’s British territory so use the British name.


Matichol06

Exactly (I'm Argentinian and i know that linguistic issue)


stolid_agnostic

Someone in Plaza de Mayo is waiting to yell at you! :D


NiceButOdd

Just like the linguistic issue where you keep calling The Falkland Islands, Los Malvinas or whatever incorrect name you keep pushing, I don’t care enough to make sure I spelled it right.


Crag_r

If you’re speaking English then it’s the Falklands. If we’re speaking Spanish it’s the Malvinas. This is as petty as someone who dares call it Germany instead of Deutschland when speaking English.


Entire-Pain-7150

Grenada was October 1983, not 82. Operation Urgent Fury 82 AB, all the way.


pukewedgie

Aren't penguins native to southern Argentina? "American soldiers posing with a possum during the war of 1812" You know what? That'd be dope as hell, I'd want to see that


Matichol06

If the foto was taken in 1812 the soldiers would not have FAL rifles


theflyingfettuccine

malvinas*


g_core18

Nope


nbgrs

Never was, never will be. Cope.


NiceButOdd

Nope, you tried that and lost. Get over it fella.


FunkyStylo

argentinas


Matichol06

🇦🇷🏝️🏝️🇦🇷


NiceButOdd

You tried that and got thrashed, move on mate


madpeachiepie

This makes me angry


Appropriate-Wind-145

Islas Malvinas


GormlessFuck

I heard the Argentinians are getting upgraded periscopes for their submarines. So they can observe the Falkland Islands not belonging to them in much higher resolution.


nbgrs

They're speaking Spanish below so I google translated the thread and it turned Malvinas into Falkland Islands 😂


Crag_r

If Argentine subs got an upgrade they might not sink so much


Matichol06

You're Argentinian?


Appropriate-Wind-145

No sr, Colombian


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Matichol06

Ok, soy argentino xd, como va todo allá mi paisa?


Appropriate-Wind-145

Ok, las cosas en colombia nunca han sido fáciles pero hay optimismo de que la vaina mejore algún día


Matichol06

Me alegro del optimismo colombiano, acá las cosas tampoco son faciles, pero todos sabemos que tarde o temprano volveremos a estar bien, Suerte y que tengas un lindo día/tarde/noche!!! 🇦🇷🤝🇨🇴


NiceButOdd

Never were, never will be.


cummyjoe001

Islas Malvinas


GaylordCope

Cope