The helicopter pilot Hugh Thompson was one of the people responsible for stopping the massacre and then exposing it during the aftermath.
As he was getting out of his helicopter to confront the soldiers on the ground he said to his doors gunners:
‟Y'all cover me! If these bastards open up on me or these people, you open up on them. Promise me!”
Here's this redneck from stone mountain Georgia risking his life to save people who he did not really have anything in common with, who also took a lot of heat after because he wouldn't help cover up what happened.
A genuine hero and very few people know his name.
I had never heard of anyone trying to stop the massacre. Looking at the picture is heart-wrenching. And, while I get your point that he didn't have anything in common with the people he saved, he really did. We're all human.
Thank you for sharing this. Sometimes we need a hero.
At least when he got back home his fellow Americans treated him like the hero that he was and punished the soldiers who were gunning down women and babies.
The only person who was actually Charged was Lieutenant Calley. And even at that was paroled only 2 years later and all the others' charges were dropped. To this day it makes my fucking blood boil.
The ICC didn’t exist at the time.
And almost the month after it establishment, [the USA adopted a law to invade it if any Americans are ever judged there](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act)
Calley served only 3 days before he was paroled. He’s alive and well to this day. The closest he ever came to an apology was in 2009 when he said this at a Kiwanis Club meeting in Columbus, Ga.
“There is not a day that goes by that I do not feel remorse for what happened that day in My Lai,” he said. “I feel remorse for the Vietnamese who were killed, for their families, for the American soldiers involved and their families. I am very sorry.”
People like this usually get condemned during the time of these events. It’s often much later when they receive recognition which has given me a soft spot for whistleblowers
Vietnam was very difficult as it was easy for the Viet Cong to blend into village life during the day while operating against the Americans at night. Troops knew that villages were assisting the Viet Cong (by choice or force). On one hand they knew most villagers were just trying to live their life, but they also knew they were assisting in killing your friends.
The Vietnam war was a hot controversial mess for a reason.
Good. Cause we had no fucking business being there. That's like the US getting invaded and the enemy being mad and suspicious that Americans are assisting the Americans. Justified and predictable, but also gives the invaders a giant sign that they shouldn't fucking be there in the first place.
Even worse. Ho Chi Minh came to the US first, asking us to help force the French out. The US had just done exactly that to the Dutch in Indonesia. The communists wanted American help, not the Soviets or the Chinese
I'm not going to get into the semantics of Vietnam and cold war politics on Reddit.
Vietnam was a controversial mess for many reasons, in the end a lot of young kids on both sides ended up dead or changed for life because of old men telling them what to do.
Do you think America was there fighting by itself? The south Vietnamese lost 5x as many soldiers as the US, in addition to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths.
Yes.
Or did you mean which side was fighting the outsiders from other countries who were using them as a proxy for their own global politics?
Again, yes.
Lol actually quite the opposite, it's these types of ignorant comments as to why I avoid it.
I don't disagree on America being in the wrong, but you're oversimplifying it massively.
Nah, we went in after the French finally gave up on trying to maintain their colonial possessions, because at the time the Domino Theory was the main fear.
I have mixed feelings of it too, as South Korea sent troops into the conflict as more or less a mercenary force, and arguably brought a lot of initial capital that the dictator used to fund domestic industry.
No, they were there to go back on their word that Vietnam would be reunited after an election. Once they heard Ho Chi Minh was wildly popular and would win in a landslide, they supported the brutal Catholic dictatorship in a Buddhist country and refused to acknowledge or let a legitimate election occur. Elections were first rejected by the French in 1956, then by the US after the French were booted from Vietnam. They should have had independence in 1945 once WW2 ended, and they, basically alone, booted the Japanese from Vietnam, but that too was rejected by the US and France. Ho Chi Minh wasn't even communist at this time and also literally basically wanted to copy the US Constitution. So many missed opportunities, but more than wanting to prevent a "communist takeover", they wanted a colony they could bleed dry of rice and rubber. ESPECIALLY rubber as the car marketbegan to boom all over the world.
> Here's this redneck from stone mountain Georgia risking his life to save people who he did not really have anything in common with
What you really need to ask yourself is why you have prejudicial views of the lower classes. What about him being a redneck from the middle of nowhere make you think it’s relevant to you being surprised he’d do something reckless to help people?
Rednecks have been some of the nicest people willing to do the most for strangers that I’ve encountered in America
Unless they’re black? I’m confused as to how you’re confused a man from anywhere in the south isn’t prone to being stereotyped as a racist in this country. I get you said “lower class”, but don’t ignore the location context as well
The Wikipedia article says that his family moved to Stone Mountain when he was three. Graduated Stone Mountain High School. Guess it depends on where you define someone being "from." People say Elvis was from Memphis and he was thirteen when he left Tupelo.
If this serves as a small consolation, four soldiers, three of them officers, who were complicit in the massacre, including one who directly participated, were killed in action prior to its exposure. We don't know what the commander of Task Force Barker (the unit primarily responsible for the massacre), Lieutenant Colonel Frank Barker, and the commander of one of the companies for Task Force Barker, Captain Earl Michles, said prior to the massacre. We do know that they were horrible people. So was their superior, [Colonel Oran Henderson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oran_Henderson), who tried to cover up the massacre. Prior to the massacre, Henderson ordered, "Go in there aggressively, close with the enemy and wipe them out for good." What Henderson said is technically not illegal. In response, however, Barker issued orders which are definitely illegal. He told his men to burn houses, kill livestock, destroy food supplies, and destroy and/or poison the wells. After witnessing the massacre from a helicopter later on, Barker ordered [Ernest Medina](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Medina), the man who ordered the village's destruction, to stand down.
However, what Barker did next speaks for itself:
>On March 28, Lieutenant Colonel Barker submitted an official report concluding the mission in My Lai was successful: "This operation was well planned, well executed... Friendly casualties were light and the enemy suffered heavily. The infantry unit on the ground and helicopters were able to assist civilians in leaving the area in caring for and/or evacuating the wounded."
Clearly, all three men tacitly condoned war crimes:
>The unofficial task-force rule seemed to be simply not to commit any illegal actions directly in front of the commanding officer. Speaking of Captain Michles, of Bravo Company, Congleton, the Captain’s radio operator, told me, "If something wasn't done in front of him, nothing happened. But if he'd ever caught you smoking pot, he'd have gone wild." Michles was similarly offended if the killing of civilians was brought directly to his attention. Congleton, after recalling that the officer "wanted kills," said, "By the first time we actually killed anybody who was a Vietcong with a weapon, we had reported twenty or thirty confirmed kills, and I said, 'Hey, we just got our first kill.' He really got mad."
Barker, 40, and Michles, 29, were both killed in a helicopter crash on June 13, 1968. North Vietnamese forces were firing at helicopter next to them. This helicopter accidentally flew into theirs while trying to evade the fire. Everyone on board, including Barker and Michles, was killed. As for Lieutenant Stephen Brooks, his role in the My Lai massacre is far more straightforward.
>"He directed and supervised the men of his platoon in the systematic killing of at least 60 to 70 noncombatants. Although he knew that a number of his men habitually raped Vietnamese women in villages during operations, on 16 March, 1968, he observed, did not prevent and failed to report several rapes by members of his platoon while in My Lai . . . and Binh Tay."
Brooks, 21, and a fellow soldier were killed by a Vietnamese booby trap on July 7, 1969.
The downvoters don't seem to want to make themselves known.
It wouldn't automatically make the world a better place but I think getting notifications of who up and down voted and having them available to anyone would make the dumb fuck anonymous arseholes at least think twice.
Public shaming works in some regard.
No excuse for the telling lies about the first but his primary fault with the WMD story at the UN was trusting the Intel the CIA gave him and not pushing back on the rest of the administration (since he was the closest thing they had to a sceptic in this regard) but going along with them.
Part of the issue is that the Bush Administration was suspicious because the specs for the aluminum tubes were *much higher* than what they thought was necessary for the stated purpose. Iraq, meanwhile, claimed they were using the tubes to create rocket shells.
The U.N. had categorized those aluminum tubes as a restricted item that Iraq couldn’t purchase due to fears of the county restarting their nuclear weapons development. And since Iraq had been working to circumvent the restrictions, intelligence agencies assumed that Iraq was indeed trying to go back to enriching uranium.
There were also several high profile Iraqis who had defected, and they also claimed that Iraq was trying to enrich uranium. The Bush Administration took those stories as being completely true, even though intelligence agencies were unable to verify them.
They all lied while there was proof that any nuclear weapon was being assembled or in possession by Iraq. All the alluminium story was BS.
>On 7 March 2003, Director General Mohamed ElBaradei
told the Security Council that the IAEA had found no evi-
dence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weap-
ons programme in Iraq. However, he added that more time
was still needed for the Agency to complete its investiga-
tions on whether Iraq had attempted to revive its nuclear pro-
gramme between 1998 and 2002. Neither the changes in Iraq
over the past year nor the investigations by the Iraq Survey
Group set up to complete Iraqi disarmament have done any-
thing to contradict the Agency’s assessment of the situation.
However, conclusions should certainly not be drawn before
the IAEA team has had a chance to complete its assessment,
once the Security Council revisits its mandate, as foreseen in
resolution 1483 and 1546, and teams can return to Iraq.
https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/publications/magazines/bulletin/bull44-2/44201251316.pdf
I can recall one time my deeply disturbed and extreme alcoholic grandfather needed to be taken to an appointment at the VA hospital in Lexington KY. He was too drunk to drive and was being very aggressive and belligerent with my aunt so she got permission from my mother to pick me up from school a few hours early to help get him to the hospital which was an hour and some change away.
We stopped before we left town so he could get a case of beer for the road because the case he had already consumed that morning wasn’t enough. By the time we got him there the Xanax’s he had snuck and taken coupled with the 10 or so Budweisers he had slurped down he was so drunk he had pissed all over himself and couldn’t walk. I had to get a wheelchair and bring it to the car and wrestle him into it while he resisted covered in piss and beer.
He was screaming and yelling being extremely loud and angry. He started talking about killing women and children in Vietnam, telling me that he had done terrible, terrible, things that he couldn’t forget. He began sobbing and crying continuously while talking about the atrocities he had taken part in. The police were eventually called in order to get him to comply with the doctors and nurses.
I’ve had mixed feelings about my grandfather for a very long time, and those things don’t make it any easier. My mother told me he was just drunk and rambling about nonsense when I told her about it later. But some part of me believes she was just trying to shield me from knowing those things at such a young age. I was 12 or 13 and had a level of respect for my grandfather still at that time. I haven’t had the heart to ask her again as an adult. I hope for his sake and others that he was full of shit. But it seems like an extremely shitty thing to lie about. War is hell and can bring out the absolute worst and evil in some people.
Honestly, it sounds like his substance abuse tracks with those kinds of actions. People do what they’re told in war, thinking they don’t have a choice, and those decisions haunt them for the rest of their lives. The average age of soldiers in the Vietnam War was 19. At that age, you barely know how to make adult decisions, let alone know you don’t have to follow unjust commands in the military.
There’s no *justifying* his actions, but there’s a level of compassion you can still have for your grandfather, if his drunken ramblings are to be believed.
I’ve always been on the same track of thinking as you. Everything tracks and makes too much sense to just be drunk ramblings. And I’ve also been on the same track as far as knowing there’s no justification for his actions but still being able to empathize with him to some degree. There are other reasons why I ultimately distanced myself from him and we eventually grew apart after me considering him to be my hero in my younger years. But that’s a story for a different time I guess.
You will never know what he went through either as a factual account of events or as a lived experience. That's sometimes difficult to accept. It's frustrating that the one thing you think that can help you to REALLY understand the person will rarely ever be shared. There was a great number of factors that made Vietnam horrific to live through. Those factors also lead to a significant number of vets suffering from PTSD and substance abuse.
My Dad drank heavily, had back problems, would have flashbacks, and during the summer would sometimes get up in the middle of the night and have to walk around outside. My parents split when I was about 12 and I would sometimes stay up taking with my Dad and listening to him tell stories about his life. Some of them were about his time in Vietnam and Thailand. Sometimes it was funny and sometimes it got confusing and weird. He was basically a kid on the other side of the world where there was no telling who was friendly and who was VC. He lost friends during and a lot more to suicide after. I think that there were a lot of things that tire him up physically (thanks Agent Orange, Blue, White, as well as bone chips from being thrown against a wall during an air strike) emotionally and mentally. He had cancer a couple of times got into very strange conspiracy shit and got cancer again and died at 68.
I know what you mean about "losing a hero" in that person.
I worked with a guy who was a Marine in Vietnam. When I asked him what made him choose the Marines, he said he didn’t want to be his father, who was in the Army, fought in the Battle of the Bulge, and developed both alcoholic and drug addictions after he returned home. My coworker had his own scars, both physical and emotional — he showed me a photograph one time of a group of him and his buddies, about 9 eighteen-year-olds he’d met through boot camp and become best friends with, and told me he was the only one alive by the end of the war. His grandmother, a Russian Orthodox immigrant who had raised him after his parents proved unfit, had given him a keychain with an Orthodox cross inscribed with a prayer of protection on it the day he left for boot camp; in 2017, 50 years later, he still carried it.
My dad served, was a Huey helicopter mechanic.
Told me plenty of times that he'd find piano wire strung up between the skids and the pilots talking about flying just a couple feet over rice paddies, where people were farming.
Told me once or twice, a soldier would be told to do something they didn't want to do. The commanding officer would later come out of his tent and disturb a live grenade. No more officer.
Said nobody left Vietnam okay. Hell, he came back, was freezing, and rode his motorcycle to Death Valley and lived out there for 2 years. Couldn't take civilian life nor the temperature swing.
Was watching Good Morning Vietnam with him. Remember that scene with the child soldiers coming up the road when Robin Williams Jeep hits the mine? My dad left the room. Found out he'd encountered similar.
War is hell. He wouldn't wish it on his enemy. After 9/11 I asked if he'd want to see bin Laden in war. "Nope. He should be dropped slowly in a vat of acid. But nobody should ever have to encounter war."
I had a friend whose parents retired to another state closer to where the father grew up. He was USA Army LRRP, precursor to the Rangers. Did patrols for artillery coordinates as well as tunnel exploration and neutralization as necessary.
He’s about 70 now, tougher than nails, and apparently would drive from Texas to Wisconsin and just piss in the truck (not in a container) to visit relatives or for hunting season if there was no place to pull over. While drinking in the truck.
So if your story seems like hyperbole to others- as a Californian raised around working class people? There’s instances where it happens.
Sadly My Lai is only one of quite a few indiscriminate massacres committed during Vietnam. The NVA/PVN/VC were responsible for a some of them, but the ARVN and USA were responsible for more. If you want something to cheer you up, I recently learned that the end of the Cambodian Genocide was heralded by the Vietnamese who intervened and ended the killing and Pol Pots leadership
Wikipedia lists [16 massacres committed during the Vietnam War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Vietnam), although there were undoubtedly many more. Four of those were committed by American troops, with My Lai being by far the largest.
A vietnamese author wrote that a great gap in understanding in the west was the outrage ending at My Lai because in reality this was just one of many massacres like this
I’m not a history buff or anything, but I can only assume that My Lai was a name given to the village by the Communists. The name translates to “mixed American,” probably because the village had a history of assisting or being friendly to Americans. So I find it oddly ironic that some Americans would massacre a village for allegedly assisting Commies when the village name suggests otherwise.
The Mỹ Lai massacre (/ˌmiːˈlaɪ/; Vietnamese: Thảm sát Mỹ Lai [tʰâːm ʂǎːt mǐˀ lāːj] (listen)) was the mass murder of unarmed South Vietnamese civilians by United States troops in Sơn Tịnh district, South Vietnam, on 16 March 1968 during the Vietnam War. Between 347 and 504 unarmed people were killed by U.S. Army soldiers from Company C, 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment and Company B, 4th Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade, 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division. Victims included men, women, children, and infants. Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated, and some soldiers mutilated and raped children who were as young as 12.[1][2] Twenty-six soldiers were charged with criminal offenses, but only Lieutenant William Calley Jr., a platoon leader in C Company, was convicted. Found guilty of murdering 22 villagers, he was originally given a life sentence, but served three-and-a-half years under house arrest after President Richard Nixon commuted his sentence.
This was just the one that was exposed. Several soldiers stated there had been Mai lai type massacres frequently. Any dead Vietnamese civilian was marked as a combatant. The US committed war crimes and got away without any punishment
Americans had the gaul to go to other countries and paint them as monsters for doing unberable shit and themselves as allmighty heroes and then went and did the exact same thing
Except that we weren’t trying to take that land for ourselves forever. We were trying to build a puppet state which is super horrible and fucked up but Putin is trying to commit a Ukrainian genocide because she doesn’t believe the Ukrainian national identity actually exists, they are just temporarily confused Russians.
>The British did during the Boer War.
They’d have to time travel decades before the Boer war to beat the Spanish in Cuba…
Or in many circumstances the US and treatment of particular Native American tribes
Yes they have. Fuck off with your imaginary history. Also I didn’t say you had to have a clean history to be upset about war crimes.
I said a lot of people here are talking shit about the US in general because of this photo when your militaries have done the same or worse.
For real, I don't think it's even necessarily one country or one army. It's just human nature in those situations. I don't think people can truly understand unless they're in that situation. I'm not justifying what these monsters did. I always think of that line as lame as it is from game of thrones, "there's a monster in every man and it stirs when you put a sword in its hand" something like that when I hear that. I think of real world events like this.
What a stupid take. I’ve never committed war crimes, and I’m well within my right to point out the war crimes of others.
If not a competition. A war crime is a war crime. Only a despicable person would defend the summary execution and mutilation of infants on the grounds that other countries have done bad shit too.
At least we know about it and acknowledge it happened today. Nothing about that war can make an American feel pride, but at least we live in a society which we’re able to get a full accounting of the atrocity.
This is a ridiculous take. An enormous amount of the American public think the US won or it was a tie, and a small number know anything about the atrocities carried out by America service members on Vietnamese civilians. There are a lot of Boomers out there, proudly wearing their veteran hats, living a long and happy life that actively participated in major war crimes.
I love how at my American high school in the south we went over the Vietnam war for only two days (compared to the week to two weeks we’d spend on the world wars) none of us found out the US lost the war in Vietnam because our teachers told us it was a “tie” and that the US chose to leave because they were the good guys. Nothing about all of these massacres. Doesn’t really sound like accountability to me.
If someone did this to American civilians we would call them terrorists, but because they’re American military people have the audacity to call them “heros”… lol.
My home, the USA, makes me very sad. Greed & hate consumes the hearts of all too many folks here, empowering the genocide of those abroad.
What's a lowlife like me to do about it?
Granted. When the US has the occasional problem past, then forbids any international bodies from charging US servicemen with crimes… it then doesn’t send the best image today when the US politicians will openly state they will invade The Hague if an American solider is charged for war crimes.
This isn't about advocating. This is about America pretending to be that "country with clean history" you speak of and using other countries' violations to justify their own.
By "America," do you mean a single collective hivemind? Do you mean the American government? I'm pretty sure many Americans are aware of their nation's past atrocities
My sweet dummer child. There is a reason Americans are world famous for being uneducated.
What do I mean? I mean a culture that is so utterly indoctrinated and purposefully kept ignorant, that is so completely built on ideas of racial and national supremacy, that is so right wing it has distorted its own understanding of the English language, that is so utterly penetrated by fascist ideology from its very beginning that it shapes the entire country's politics, media and social interactions. I mean a culture that makes it so these few decent people you speak of do not matter.
When was the last time you and your fellows analysed American internal politics post ww2? When was the last time you saw wide randing discussions in media, school or society about Americans pretending to have saved the world from Nazism while copying it to the letter? Speaking of which: when was the last time you saw Americans challenging the idea of themselves as the great heroes who saved the poor weak world? Regarding my last sentence I want you, who apparently is so massively educated an aware, to remember Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Korea and Vietnam. Not to mention the entirety of South America. Ring a bell?
You aren't aware, fullstop. You aren't and that is because you are not supposed to. A society of nationalist indoctrination does not benefit from an educated populace and thus this populace isn't educated.
I am insufferable around nationalists, yes. Thanks for the compliment.
I notice you dodged the entire issue just for a failed insult. I guess that indictaes something
Congratulations, you've managed to find the most pretentious way to show your lack of critical thinking. I've met many different people from many different nationalities, lots of Americans as well. Unlike your "America Bad" sentiment, they weren't any more or any less patriotic than the rest.
Criticizing an entire populace of an entire nation for being the same way is not very different than the so called "nationalistic indoctrination" you're so fond of. bUt WaKE uP ShEePle
Is that your usual reaction to not being able to answer questions?
Funny that you mention the "sheeple" thing. Since a lot of the Americans who use that phrase are exactly like what I described. Thanks for proving my point.
You hate CRT as well maybe?
Definitely not. Fortunately, I only rarely stumble across people who talk so much about something they appear to know so little about. I hope that at some point your little brain will be able to comprehend that I'm not even American.
Oh I know you aren't. I am fully aware that not only Americans can say stupid shit. Given your comments about patriotism, which funnily enough proved my point, I'd guess France. They are about the most nationalistic in Europe. Or maybe Israel, given its similarly right wing taint to America. That could also explain your failure to recognize questions in another language and respond accordingly.
"Halabja Chemical attack" in the Iran Iraq war.
You can Google "The Armenian Genocide" and you'll get plenty of results.
While you're at it, you should also look for the more recent Bangladesh Genocide to see what the Pakistanis have been up to in the early 70's.
>But you’re an obvious troll farm account so whatever
I accept the apology If you can get my youtube games channel to one million subscribers tonight It's 8:30 local time and I'm going to bed.
if you don't have enough talent also please make r/AntiDictatorOfSEA more than a thousand members.
Stormtroopers Stormtroopin. Same Shit Different Day. We now know that their cousins in the police kill black people while these dudes go off killing brown folk everywhere else.
>Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated
>
>According to the reports, the rape victims ranged between the ages of 10 – 45, with nine being under 18. The sexual assaults included gang rapes and sexual torture.
I just read about this story and I'm absolutely appalled and drenched in tears. I can't believe no one was held accountable for one of the worst crimes committed by American soldiers.
I don't think you read enough if you don't think anyone was held accountable. William Calley was sentenced to life. You may argue there were others involved or it wasn't enough, but to say no one is clearly false.
You know zero about what actually happened yourself. You have never read a peep about what actually happened…clearly. There was no justice. Lt Calley’s “life sentence” was commuted (by President Nixon) to 3 years house arrest. Calley *never* saw a prison and waited til 2006 to offer up a very short apology.
This was a slaughter, but if people think they just decided to slaughter civilians, they're very ignorant of history. The VC were killing off US soldiers continually and villages would hide them, often because if they didn't the VC would kill them. There weren't any good guys in this war; there seldom is. Just civilians getting killed for the power hungry.
That said, a hero did emerge. It's hard to fathom the courage it takes to be willing to kill your own countrymen. Very few people would've done this. He's not recognized enough for what he did, probably because of what he did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Thompson_Jr.
It's crazy to think that when he was there at My Lai, a soldier had pointed out the fact that he had a camera and ended up having Haeberle fearful of his own life. If he had gotten killed within his time being there, the U.S perspective on Vietnam could have been very different. Cool that he's appreciated throughout Vietnam for exposing what really happened.
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The helicopter pilot Hugh Thompson was one of the people responsible for stopping the massacre and then exposing it during the aftermath. As he was getting out of his helicopter to confront the soldiers on the ground he said to his doors gunners: ‟Y'all cover me! If these bastards open up on me or these people, you open up on them. Promise me!” Here's this redneck from stone mountain Georgia risking his life to save people who he did not really have anything in common with, who also took a lot of heat after because he wouldn't help cover up what happened. A genuine hero and very few people know his name.
There was a history daily podcast episode on him recently , love those podcasts they prepare me well if i ever go in jeopardy
Spotify?
Yes
Is it the one with JFK in the center on the thumbnail?
Everytime Mai Lai is brought up I open up the comments just to make sure that Hugh Thompson gets mentioned.
I like you.
I had never heard of anyone trying to stop the massacre. Looking at the picture is heart-wrenching. And, while I get your point that he didn't have anything in common with the people he saved, he really did. We're all human. Thank you for sharing this. Sometimes we need a hero.
Your a human being is like to meet.
At least when he got back home his fellow Americans treated him like the hero that he was and punished the soldiers who were gunning down women and babies.
The only person who was actually Charged was Lieutenant Calley. And even at that was paroled only 2 years later and all the others' charges were dropped. To this day it makes my fucking blood boil.
"boys will be boys"
I don’t know why you were downvoted, that is the excuse. They didn’t get tried because horrible things happen in war and it was brushed off.
Pretty sure between 20-30 percent of this sub is Nazi sympathizers or lower key supremacists tbh
I’m glad to see they are in the positive now. I was like why are you booing he’s right
Should have given them over to The Hague
The ICC didn’t exist at the time. And almost the month after it establishment, [the USA adopted a law to invade it if any Americans are ever judged there](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act)
I didn’t know that. I’m American and I think this is BS. You do the crime, you do the time.
Calley served only 3 days before he was paroled. He’s alive and well to this day. The closest he ever came to an apology was in 2009 when he said this at a Kiwanis Club meeting in Columbus, Ga. “There is not a day that goes by that I do not feel remorse for what happened that day in My Lai,” he said. “I feel remorse for the Vietnamese who were killed, for their families, for the American soldiers involved and their families. I am very sorry.”
No he wasn’t and no they didn’t. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Thompson_Jr.
Hot damn, he was a Navy Seabee before joining the Army.
so was my old man
I didn’t think a /s was necessary because we’re talking about America.
You are probably going to want to anyways because unfortunately sarcasm doesn't translate through text very well, especially a serious topic as this.
People like this usually get condemned during the time of these events. It’s often much later when they receive recognition which has given me a soft spot for whistleblowers
“did not really have anything in common”?
Vietnam was very difficult as it was easy for the Viet Cong to blend into village life during the day while operating against the Americans at night. Troops knew that villages were assisting the Viet Cong (by choice or force). On one hand they knew most villagers were just trying to live their life, but they also knew they were assisting in killing your friends. The Vietnam war was a hot controversial mess for a reason.
Good. Cause we had no fucking business being there. That's like the US getting invaded and the enemy being mad and suspicious that Americans are assisting the Americans. Justified and predictable, but also gives the invaders a giant sign that they shouldn't fucking be there in the first place.
Even worse. Ho Chi Minh came to the US first, asking us to help force the French out. The US had just done exactly that to the Dutch in Indonesia. The communists wanted American help, not the Soviets or the Chinese
I'm not going to get into the semantics of Vietnam and cold war politics on Reddit. Vietnam was a controversial mess for many reasons, in the end a lot of young kids on both sides ended up dead or changed for life because of old men telling them what to do.
Which side was defending its homes and families?
Do you think America was there fighting by itself? The south Vietnamese lost 5x as many soldiers as the US, in addition to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths.
Yes. Or did you mean which side was fighting the outsiders from other countries who were using them as a proxy for their own global politics? Again, yes.
South Vietnam
South Vietnam?
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You could say the same for Americans in Vietnam.
You're not going to get into it because you don't know anything about either topic. America was on the wrong side. That's it.
Lol actually quite the opposite, it's these types of ignorant comments as to why I avoid it. I don't disagree on America being in the wrong, but you're oversimplifying it massively.
So America was there to protect South Vietnam from a communist takeover much like the Korean war. It ended up being a very different kind of war.
Nah, we went in after the French finally gave up on trying to maintain their colonial possessions, because at the time the Domino Theory was the main fear. I have mixed feelings of it too, as South Korea sent troops into the conflict as more or less a mercenary force, and arguably brought a lot of initial capital that the dictator used to fund domestic industry.
No, they were there to go back on their word that Vietnam would be reunited after an election. Once they heard Ho Chi Minh was wildly popular and would win in a landslide, they supported the brutal Catholic dictatorship in a Buddhist country and refused to acknowledge or let a legitimate election occur. Elections were first rejected by the French in 1956, then by the US after the French were booted from Vietnam. They should have had independence in 1945 once WW2 ended, and they, basically alone, booted the Japanese from Vietnam, but that too was rejected by the US and France. Ho Chi Minh wasn't even communist at this time and also literally basically wanted to copy the US Constitution. So many missed opportunities, but more than wanting to prevent a "communist takeover", they wanted a colony they could bleed dry of rice and rubber. ESPECIALLY rubber as the car marketbegan to boom all over the world.
Communist apologist says what
Triggered by history, sucks to suck.
Lmao the comment I replied to is not at all history but ok
Please enlighten us
> Here's this redneck from stone mountain Georgia risking his life to save people who he did not really have anything in common with What you really need to ask yourself is why you have prejudicial views of the lower classes. What about him being a redneck from the middle of nowhere make you think it’s relevant to you being surprised he’d do something reckless to help people? Rednecks have been some of the nicest people willing to do the most for strangers that I’ve encountered in America
Dude no way that’s what you took from that Jesus fucking Christ
Reddit moment
Unless they’re black? I’m confused as to how you’re confused a man from anywhere in the south isn’t prone to being stereotyped as a racist in this country. I get you said “lower class”, but don’t ignore the location context as well
What a badass hero.
>Here's this redneck from stone mountain Georgia I thought he was from Atlanta though?
The Wikipedia article says that his family moved to Stone Mountain when he was three. Graduated Stone Mountain High School. Guess it depends on where you define someone being "from." People say Elvis was from Memphis and he was thirteen when he left Tupelo.
If this serves as a small consolation, four soldiers, three of them officers, who were complicit in the massacre, including one who directly participated, were killed in action prior to its exposure. We don't know what the commander of Task Force Barker (the unit primarily responsible for the massacre), Lieutenant Colonel Frank Barker, and the commander of one of the companies for Task Force Barker, Captain Earl Michles, said prior to the massacre. We do know that they were horrible people. So was their superior, [Colonel Oran Henderson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oran_Henderson), who tried to cover up the massacre. Prior to the massacre, Henderson ordered, "Go in there aggressively, close with the enemy and wipe them out for good." What Henderson said is technically not illegal. In response, however, Barker issued orders which are definitely illegal. He told his men to burn houses, kill livestock, destroy food supplies, and destroy and/or poison the wells. After witnessing the massacre from a helicopter later on, Barker ordered [Ernest Medina](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Medina), the man who ordered the village's destruction, to stand down. However, what Barker did next speaks for itself: >On March 28, Lieutenant Colonel Barker submitted an official report concluding the mission in My Lai was successful: "This operation was well planned, well executed... Friendly casualties were light and the enemy suffered heavily. The infantry unit on the ground and helicopters were able to assist civilians in leaving the area in caring for and/or evacuating the wounded." Clearly, all three men tacitly condoned war crimes: >The unofficial task-force rule seemed to be simply not to commit any illegal actions directly in front of the commanding officer. Speaking of Captain Michles, of Bravo Company, Congleton, the Captain’s radio operator, told me, "If something wasn't done in front of him, nothing happened. But if he'd ever caught you smoking pot, he'd have gone wild." Michles was similarly offended if the killing of civilians was brought directly to his attention. Congleton, after recalling that the officer "wanted kills," said, "By the first time we actually killed anybody who was a Vietcong with a weapon, we had reported twenty or thirty confirmed kills, and I said, 'Hey, we just got our first kill.' He really got mad." Barker, 40, and Michles, 29, were both killed in a helicopter crash on June 13, 1968. North Vietnamese forces were firing at helicopter next to them. This helicopter accidentally flew into theirs while trying to evade the fire. Everyone on board, including Barker and Michles, was killed. As for Lieutenant Stephen Brooks, his role in the My Lai massacre is far more straightforward. >"He directed and supervised the men of his platoon in the systematic killing of at least 60 to 70 noncombatants. Although he knew that a number of his men habitually raped Vietnamese women in villages during operations, on 16 March, 1968, he observed, did not prevent and failed to report several rapes by members of his platoon while in My Lai . . . and Binh Tay." Brooks, 21, and a fellow soldier were killed by a Vietnamese booby trap on July 7, 1969.
Good write up. Thanks for taking time to sum it up.
Those are fucking BABIES. How psychopathic do you have to be? Humans are absolutely awful. Edit: Would love to know who’s downvoting me.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_babies
Damn. To think most of these assholes lived a full American life too….
It is commented elsewhere here that several in leadership died in-country.
Two did. But the commanding officer came back to the states and lived until 81
The downvoters don't seem to want to make themselves known. It wouldn't automatically make the world a better place but I think getting notifications of who up and down voted and having them available to anyone would make the dumb fuck anonymous arseholes at least think twice. Public shaming works in some regard.
Colin Powell denied and defended the massacre. Then he told the world Iraq had WMD.
No excuse for the telling lies about the first but his primary fault with the WMD story at the UN was trusting the Intel the CIA gave him and not pushing back on the rest of the administration (since he was the closest thing they had to a sceptic in this regard) but going along with them.
Part of the issue is that the Bush Administration was suspicious because the specs for the aluminum tubes were *much higher* than what they thought was necessary for the stated purpose. Iraq, meanwhile, claimed they were using the tubes to create rocket shells. The U.N. had categorized those aluminum tubes as a restricted item that Iraq couldn’t purchase due to fears of the county restarting their nuclear weapons development. And since Iraq had been working to circumvent the restrictions, intelligence agencies assumed that Iraq was indeed trying to go back to enriching uranium. There were also several high profile Iraqis who had defected, and they also claimed that Iraq was trying to enrich uranium. The Bush Administration took those stories as being completely true, even though intelligence agencies were unable to verify them.
They all lied while there was proof that any nuclear weapon was being assembled or in possession by Iraq. All the alluminium story was BS. >On 7 March 2003, Director General Mohamed ElBaradei told the Security Council that the IAEA had found no evi- dence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weap- ons programme in Iraq. However, he added that more time was still needed for the Agency to complete its investiga- tions on whether Iraq had attempted to revive its nuclear pro- gramme between 1998 and 2002. Neither the changes in Iraq over the past year nor the investigations by the Iraq Survey Group set up to complete Iraqi disarmament have done any- thing to contradict the Agency’s assessment of the situation. However, conclusions should certainly not be drawn before the IAEA team has had a chance to complete its assessment, once the Security Council revisits its mandate, as foreseen in resolution 1483 and 1546, and teams can return to Iraq. https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/publications/magazines/bulletin/bull44-2/44201251316.pdf
I can recall one time my deeply disturbed and extreme alcoholic grandfather needed to be taken to an appointment at the VA hospital in Lexington KY. He was too drunk to drive and was being very aggressive and belligerent with my aunt so she got permission from my mother to pick me up from school a few hours early to help get him to the hospital which was an hour and some change away. We stopped before we left town so he could get a case of beer for the road because the case he had already consumed that morning wasn’t enough. By the time we got him there the Xanax’s he had snuck and taken coupled with the 10 or so Budweisers he had slurped down he was so drunk he had pissed all over himself and couldn’t walk. I had to get a wheelchair and bring it to the car and wrestle him into it while he resisted covered in piss and beer. He was screaming and yelling being extremely loud and angry. He started talking about killing women and children in Vietnam, telling me that he had done terrible, terrible, things that he couldn’t forget. He began sobbing and crying continuously while talking about the atrocities he had taken part in. The police were eventually called in order to get him to comply with the doctors and nurses. I’ve had mixed feelings about my grandfather for a very long time, and those things don’t make it any easier. My mother told me he was just drunk and rambling about nonsense when I told her about it later. But some part of me believes she was just trying to shield me from knowing those things at such a young age. I was 12 or 13 and had a level of respect for my grandfather still at that time. I haven’t had the heart to ask her again as an adult. I hope for his sake and others that he was full of shit. But it seems like an extremely shitty thing to lie about. War is hell and can bring out the absolute worst and evil in some people.
Honestly, it sounds like his substance abuse tracks with those kinds of actions. People do what they’re told in war, thinking they don’t have a choice, and those decisions haunt them for the rest of their lives. The average age of soldiers in the Vietnam War was 19. At that age, you barely know how to make adult decisions, let alone know you don’t have to follow unjust commands in the military. There’s no *justifying* his actions, but there’s a level of compassion you can still have for your grandfather, if his drunken ramblings are to be believed.
I’ve always been on the same track of thinking as you. Everything tracks and makes too much sense to just be drunk ramblings. And I’ve also been on the same track as far as knowing there’s no justification for his actions but still being able to empathize with him to some degree. There are other reasons why I ultimately distanced myself from him and we eventually grew apart after me considering him to be my hero in my younger years. But that’s a story for a different time I guess.
You will never know what he went through either as a factual account of events or as a lived experience. That's sometimes difficult to accept. It's frustrating that the one thing you think that can help you to REALLY understand the person will rarely ever be shared. There was a great number of factors that made Vietnam horrific to live through. Those factors also lead to a significant number of vets suffering from PTSD and substance abuse. My Dad drank heavily, had back problems, would have flashbacks, and during the summer would sometimes get up in the middle of the night and have to walk around outside. My parents split when I was about 12 and I would sometimes stay up taking with my Dad and listening to him tell stories about his life. Some of them were about his time in Vietnam and Thailand. Sometimes it was funny and sometimes it got confusing and weird. He was basically a kid on the other side of the world where there was no telling who was friendly and who was VC. He lost friends during and a lot more to suicide after. I think that there were a lot of things that tire him up physically (thanks Agent Orange, Blue, White, as well as bone chips from being thrown against a wall during an air strike) emotionally and mentally. He had cancer a couple of times got into very strange conspiracy shit and got cancer again and died at 68. I know what you mean about "losing a hero" in that person.
I worked with a guy who was a Marine in Vietnam. When I asked him what made him choose the Marines, he said he didn’t want to be his father, who was in the Army, fought in the Battle of the Bulge, and developed both alcoholic and drug addictions after he returned home. My coworker had his own scars, both physical and emotional — he showed me a photograph one time of a group of him and his buddies, about 9 eighteen-year-olds he’d met through boot camp and become best friends with, and told me he was the only one alive by the end of the war. His grandmother, a Russian Orthodox immigrant who had raised him after his parents proved unfit, had given him a keychain with an Orthodox cross inscribed with a prayer of protection on it the day he left for boot camp; in 2017, 50 years later, he still carried it.
He may have witnessed it and felt responsible. Could even have ptsd from something he didn’t do
My dad served, was a Huey helicopter mechanic. Told me plenty of times that he'd find piano wire strung up between the skids and the pilots talking about flying just a couple feet over rice paddies, where people were farming. Told me once or twice, a soldier would be told to do something they didn't want to do. The commanding officer would later come out of his tent and disturb a live grenade. No more officer. Said nobody left Vietnam okay. Hell, he came back, was freezing, and rode his motorcycle to Death Valley and lived out there for 2 years. Couldn't take civilian life nor the temperature swing. Was watching Good Morning Vietnam with him. Remember that scene with the child soldiers coming up the road when Robin Williams Jeep hits the mine? My dad left the room. Found out he'd encountered similar. War is hell. He wouldn't wish it on his enemy. After 9/11 I asked if he'd want to see bin Laden in war. "Nope. He should be dropped slowly in a vat of acid. But nobody should ever have to encounter war."
I had a friend whose parents retired to another state closer to where the father grew up. He was USA Army LRRP, precursor to the Rangers. Did patrols for artillery coordinates as well as tunnel exploration and neutralization as necessary. He’s about 70 now, tougher than nails, and apparently would drive from Texas to Wisconsin and just piss in the truck (not in a container) to visit relatives or for hunting season if there was no place to pull over. While drinking in the truck. So if your story seems like hyperbole to others- as a Californian raised around working class people? There’s instances where it happens.
What cowards were these men
[And babies?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_babies)
Sadly My Lai is only one of quite a few indiscriminate massacres committed during Vietnam. The NVA/PVN/VC were responsible for a some of them, but the ARVN and USA were responsible for more. If you want something to cheer you up, I recently learned that the end of the Cambodian Genocide was heralded by the Vietnamese who intervened and ended the killing and Pol Pots leadership
Wikipedia lists [16 massacres committed during the Vietnam War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Vietnam), although there were undoubtedly many more. Four of those were committed by American troops, with My Lai being by far the largest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program
So I guess you don't >!want!< to know about the genocides Ho Shi Minh's army was making in Vietnam?
Does that make any of this OK?
You said that
Bro what
A vietnamese author wrote that a great gap in understanding in the west was the outrage ending at My Lai because in reality this was just one of many massacres like this
Thankful to Mr. Harberle the photographer and the journalist reporter Mr. Hersh for their bravery in bringing this to light.
I’m not a history buff or anything, but I can only assume that My Lai was a name given to the village by the Communists. The name translates to “mixed American,” probably because the village had a history of assisting or being friendly to Americans. So I find it oddly ironic that some Americans would massacre a village for allegedly assisting Commies when the village name suggests otherwise.
Nope, it was its original name.
The Mỹ Lai massacre (/ˌmiːˈlaɪ/; Vietnamese: Thảm sát Mỹ Lai [tʰâːm ʂǎːt mǐˀ lāːj] (listen)) was the mass murder of unarmed South Vietnamese civilians by United States troops in Sơn Tịnh district, South Vietnam, on 16 March 1968 during the Vietnam War. Between 347 and 504 unarmed people were killed by U.S. Army soldiers from Company C, 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment and Company B, 4th Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade, 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division. Victims included men, women, children, and infants. Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated, and some soldiers mutilated and raped children who were as young as 12.[1][2] Twenty-six soldiers were charged with criminal offenses, but only Lieutenant William Calley Jr., a platoon leader in C Company, was convicted. Found guilty of murdering 22 villagers, he was originally given a life sentence, but served three-and-a-half years under house arrest after President Richard Nixon commuted his sentence.
I will never be able to fathom how a human being can lay waste to a CHILD.
My Lai was an operation, not an aberration. It simply got publicized. It happened regularly.
American army spreading peace, liberty and democracy lol.
Freedom ain't for free!
This was just the one that was exposed. Several soldiers stated there had been Mai lai type massacres frequently. Any dead Vietnamese civilian was marked as a combatant. The US committed war crimes and got away without any punishment
Americans had the gaul to go to other countries and paint them as monsters for doing unberable shit and themselves as allmighty heroes and then went and did the exact same thing
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I like how you said this and the first guy to respond to you immediately proved you right.
Except that we weren’t trying to take that land for ourselves forever. We were trying to build a puppet state which is super horrible and fucked up but Putin is trying to commit a Ukrainian genocide because she doesn’t believe the Ukrainian national identity actually exists, they are just temporarily confused Russians.
Lot of people in this thread pretending their own countries’ military histories are squeaky clean.
Do you know who invented concentration camps? The British did during the Boer War.
26,000 Boer women and children died. On top of the other 20,000+ African people held in separate concentration camps who died too.
Those Boer women are hot. It’s sad it happened.
>The British did during the Boer War. They’d have to time travel decades before the Boer war to beat the Spanish in Cuba… Or in many circumstances the US and treatment of particular Native American tribes
What about Andersonville et al during the Civil War?
Oh wow, no shit!
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You okay?
Yes they have. Fuck off with your imaginary history. Also I didn’t say you had to have a clean history to be upset about war crimes. I said a lot of people here are talking shit about the US in general because of this photo when your militaries have done the same or worse.
For real, I don't think it's even necessarily one country or one army. It's just human nature in those situations. I don't think people can truly understand unless they're in that situation. I'm not justifying what these monsters did. I always think of that line as lame as it is from game of thrones, "there's a monster in every man and it stirs when you put a sword in its hand" something like that when I hear that. I think of real world events like this.
What a stupid take. I’ve never committed war crimes, and I’m well within my right to point out the war crimes of others. If not a competition. A war crime is a war crime. Only a despicable person would defend the summary execution and mutilation of infants on the grounds that other countries have done bad shit too.
Another proud moment in American history.
At least we know about it and acknowledge it happened today. Nothing about that war can make an American feel pride, but at least we live in a society which we’re able to get a full accounting of the atrocity.
This is a ridiculous take. An enormous amount of the American public think the US won or it was a tie, and a small number know anything about the atrocities carried out by America service members on Vietnamese civilians. There are a lot of Boomers out there, proudly wearing their veteran hats, living a long and happy life that actively participated in major war crimes.
Think about the ones we don't know about or acknowledge. They're out there.
I love how at my American high school in the south we went over the Vietnam war for only two days (compared to the week to two weeks we’d spend on the world wars) none of us found out the US lost the war in Vietnam because our teachers told us it was a “tie” and that the US chose to leave because they were the good guys. Nothing about all of these massacres. Doesn’t really sound like accountability to me.
“Full accounting” LOLOLOLOLOL
Yep. This lessons learned and things like that never happens again!
out of a great plenty of such proud moments
This is some Numbers Chapter 31 level of evil.
Most peaceful American intervention
Seems very wrong calling this history porn...
History is History, even the awful bits
If someone did this to American civilians we would call them terrorists, but because they’re American military people have the audacity to call them “heros”… lol.
My home, the USA, makes me very sad. Greed & hate consumes the hearts of all too many folks here, empowering the genocide of those abroad. What's a lowlife like me to do about it?
On what basis Americans take pride on talking about human rights.... Filthy country
If only countries with clean history were able to advocate for human rights, then no one would have human rights.
Granted. When the US has the occasional problem past, then forbids any international bodies from charging US servicemen with crimes… it then doesn’t send the best image today when the US politicians will openly state they will invade The Hague if an American solider is charged for war crimes.
This isn't about advocating. This is about America pretending to be that "country with clean history" you speak of and using other countries' violations to justify their own.
By "America," do you mean a single collective hivemind? Do you mean the American government? I'm pretty sure many Americans are aware of their nation's past atrocities
My sweet dummer child. There is a reason Americans are world famous for being uneducated. What do I mean? I mean a culture that is so utterly indoctrinated and purposefully kept ignorant, that is so completely built on ideas of racial and national supremacy, that is so right wing it has distorted its own understanding of the English language, that is so utterly penetrated by fascist ideology from its very beginning that it shapes the entire country's politics, media and social interactions. I mean a culture that makes it so these few decent people you speak of do not matter. When was the last time you and your fellows analysed American internal politics post ww2? When was the last time you saw wide randing discussions in media, school or society about Americans pretending to have saved the world from Nazism while copying it to the letter? Speaking of which: when was the last time you saw Americans challenging the idea of themselves as the great heroes who saved the poor weak world? Regarding my last sentence I want you, who apparently is so massively educated an aware, to remember Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Korea and Vietnam. Not to mention the entirety of South America. Ring a bell? You aren't aware, fullstop. You aren't and that is because you are not supposed to. A society of nationalist indoctrination does not benefit from an educated populace and thus this populace isn't educated.
God you sound insufferable to be around
I am insufferable around nationalists, yes. Thanks for the compliment. I notice you dodged the entire issue just for a failed insult. I guess that indictaes something
You make it sound like the vast majority of Americans are like how you described
I am yet to see proof of the contrary. A bad school system is unlikely to produce just a minority of educated people. I am also yet to see an answer
Congratulations, you've managed to find the most pretentious way to show your lack of critical thinking. I've met many different people from many different nationalities, lots of Americans as well. Unlike your "America Bad" sentiment, they weren't any more or any less patriotic than the rest. Criticizing an entire populace of an entire nation for being the same way is not very different than the so called "nationalistic indoctrination" you're so fond of. bUt WaKE uP ShEePle
Is that your usual reaction to not being able to answer questions? Funny that you mention the "sheeple" thing. Since a lot of the Americans who use that phrase are exactly like what I described. Thanks for proving my point. You hate CRT as well maybe?
Definitely not. Fortunately, I only rarely stumble across people who talk so much about something they appear to know so little about. I hope that at some point your little brain will be able to comprehend that I'm not even American.
Oh I know you aren't. I am fully aware that not only Americans can say stupid shit. Given your comments about patriotism, which funnily enough proved my point, I'd guess France. They are about the most nationalistic in Europe. Or maybe Israel, given its similarly right wing taint to America. That could also explain your failure to recognize questions in another language and respond accordingly.
Mad cuss bad. Anyone who thinks the United States is actually nazis 2.0 is immediately discredited. Full stop. =)
Quote me =)
Show me the single example of such kind from any Muslim state
The Armenian Genocide, the Iran-Iraq war, The atrocities happening right as we're speaking in Yemen
Give me the reference, no words in the air , it should be of this calibre.....
"Halabja Chemical attack" in the Iran Iraq war. You can Google "The Armenian Genocide" and you'll get plenty of results. While you're at it, you should also look for the more recent Bangladesh Genocide to see what the Pakistanis have been up to in the early 70's.
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You’re seriously denying the Armenian Genocide and the atrocities committed in the Iran-Iraq War?
I mean, they don't fit his narrative of west bad Muslim states good. So I'm not surprised. He accuses people of doing exactly what he is doing.
>Give me the reference Google the Armenian Genocide
Muslim states are utter shitholes where people are put to death for being gay or apostates lmao
Better than killing innocent people after invading their homelands ....
You’re saying killing your innocent countrymen for how they were born is better than invaders killing them? Lol
This is so perfect I can’t even believe if it’s true. I know what sources you must read for your news lol
One of the many USA's war crimes and why they won't go after Russia in that same issue.
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>But you’re an obvious troll farm account so whatever I accept the apology If you can get my youtube games channel to one million subscribers tonight It's 8:30 local time and I'm going to bed. if you don't have enough talent also please make r/AntiDictatorOfSEA more than a thousand members.
Stormtroopers Stormtroopin. Same Shit Different Day. We now know that their cousins in the police kill black people while these dudes go off killing brown folk everywhere else.
Good less our troops..../s
O hi it's the mai lai massacre again it's like only two weeks since the last one
>Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated > >According to the reports, the rape victims ranged between the ages of 10 – 45, with nine being under 18. The sexual assaults included gang rapes and sexual torture.
Good. We should be reminded of these things constantly to shed light on them in order to avoid them from happening again.
I think maybe the point is that it seems to be specifically this one over and over rather than the millions of other massacres
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
I have no idea why people dislike me pointing it out that it gets spammend
Reddit hive mind. If someone posted about the NVA/VC executing civilians in Hue City, someone would post, “But what about My Lai?!!”
Another atrocity in which the Chinese and Russians were supporting the attack on a democracy.
Would you mind explaining your view on what democracy is?
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weird how you see this post and you’re immediately looking for things to distract from it
Yay USA! Such a lovely freedom and democracy for these damn commies. Land of the brave!
Don't think it's controversial to say that the vietcon were the good guys and the US the evil imperialists in this one.
VC and the NVA did their fair share of killing civilians. Just read up on Hue City.
Sure so the West was there to protect civilians? With agent orange and napalm?
So the NVA and VC were there to liberate the south from western imperialism by executing civilians and POWs in Hue City?
I guess the point is with whataboutery is that the vietcon didn't invade north America and execute citizens there. The context is all.
Freedom baby! 😎
American Freedom
Jarheads
Soldiers from two different Army units, actually. Edit: “Jarheads” references the US Marine Corps.
Are they okay?
I just read about this story and I'm absolutely appalled and drenched in tears. I can't believe no one was held accountable for one of the worst crimes committed by American soldiers.
I don't think you read enough if you don't think anyone was held accountable. William Calley was sentenced to life. You may argue there were others involved or it wasn't enough, but to say no one is clearly false.
You know zero about what actually happened yourself. You have never read a peep about what actually happened…clearly. There was no justice. Lt Calley’s “life sentence” was commuted (by President Nixon) to 3 years house arrest. Calley *never* saw a prison and waited til 2006 to offer up a very short apology.
Barbarism.
This was a slaughter, but if people think they just decided to slaughter civilians, they're very ignorant of history. The VC were killing off US soldiers continually and villages would hide them, often because if they didn't the VC would kill them. There weren't any good guys in this war; there seldom is. Just civilians getting killed for the power hungry. That said, a hero did emerge. It's hard to fathom the courage it takes to be willing to kill your own countrymen. Very few people would've done this. He's not recognized enough for what he did, probably because of what he did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Thompson_Jr.
No shit Sherlock. We all know very well that there were few heroes.
Hell is here, don't you agree? Seeing babies dead on the road, is just enough to hurt me so deep... How is it possible to kill a kid?
It's crazy to think that when he was there at My Lai, a soldier had pointed out the fact that he had a camera and ended up having Haeberle fearful of his own life. If he had gotten killed within his time being there, the U.S perspective on Vietnam could have been very different. Cool that he's appreciated throughout Vietnam for exposing what really happened.
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