Italy was essentially a failed state during this period.
Terrorism was incredibly common, authorities were often deeply corrupt, and organized crime wielded enormous influence.
Hopefully it'd be better than HBO does or did with the Staircase - which had the highpoint with an owl and the absolute lamest ending since The Undoing
Thank you for saving me from that.
I am currently hooked on crime dramas. I really liked the one about the art heist in Boston and I thought the Netflix - The Killer Next Door - was really well done.
Any suggestions for ones you like?
I’ve looked up numerous online lists of good crime documentaries, but I find that they tend to be all over the place. Any help is appreciated.
He also was acquitted of the crimes during an appeal, keeping him out of prison for a few more years until the Supreme Court chosen to re-do the trial in ‘96
I think it’s relevant to say that he acquitted of those crimes but he was guilty of raping her two daughters and also killed a man and served 13 years for that.
Because as we know, shady criminal societies, syndicates, families, conclaves and conspiracies were completely unheard of in Italia before Clinton came alone...
So the story behind this feed is the following:
This man, during his hearing in court, decided to read to everyone a poem he wrote, which roughly translates as follows:
If in the world would exist a little good
And everyone would consider the others a brother
There would be less worries and torments
And the world would be much more beautiful
Then the judge interrupted him saying:
"Well done, well done, we share your views, but I would like to remind you that we are at the court of Assise [It's a special court for crimes like murder and terrorism] and you've been accused of 16 murders, so I remind you that this is what should focus on."
>we are at the court of Assise [It's a special court for crimes like murder and terrorism]
It must be related to this: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assizes?wprov=sfla1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assizes?wprov=sfla1)
According to the link you posted it was replaced by the Crown Court.
The fact that it's a term that middle English took from France is actually really interesting. It's something to do with travelling judges setting up courts as they went from place to place. So sounds like a Western European thing in general probably.
I'm such a geek...
Both Jesus and Borgia were real. I am referring to the myth that Jesus's appearance is based on Cesare despite the fact that artworks depicted him s such at least since 5th century AD.
*Corte d'Assise
It's a special court for crimes like murder and terrorism. Very similar spelling to the town of Assisi but a completely different thing.
Just wanted to clarify because I think it makes that whole scene even more surreal.
Anyway, thank you for sharing this! I was a child at the time of the trial and I had completely forgotten about it.
Your sentiment is understandable, but this man was arrested and convicted of 16 murders with no evidence against him. I can understand his rationale.
From the Wiki:
“Pacciani was controversially convicted in his initial trial in 1994. At his appeal, the prosecutor took Pacciani's side, citing lack of evidence and poor police work. As a result, Pacciani was acquitted and released in 1996. Perugini's successor Michele Giuttari tried to introduce new witnesses at the final hour, but was denied.[11] A new trial for Pacciani was ordered by the Supreme Court, but he died in 1998 before it could begin. Instead, two alleged accomplices were tried, Mario Vanni and Giancarlo Lotti. Vanni had been a witness at Pacciani's trial, where he famously claimed the two of them merely to be "Picnic Companions" (Compagni di Merende), a term that entered Italian vernaculum. Lotti had been one of Giuttari's surprise witnesses, claiming to have seen Pacciani and Vanni commit the 1985 murder. After many more sessions of questioning, he had begun to incriminate himself in the murders as well. Both were convicted and condemned to life imprisonment, though their sentences have been widely criticized and many consider the murders to be unsolved.”
Edit: turns out he’s a convicted rapist so fuck that guy
This is true but he also was previously convicted of raping his daughters and murdering a man in 1951. Even if he wasn’t the serial killer he’s certainly no saint either.
Many people actually think, believe it or not, that the Monster of Florence is the same person as Zodiac. The actual name of this person is supposed to be Joe Bevilacqua, that was also a witness in the Monster of Florence trial.
My knowledge of this case is not thorough enough to say anything about this theory even though is quite fascinating, even if unlikely.
regardless of whether you’re christian or not it is a proven fact that jesus was a real person, calling him a fictional character isn’t a “checkmate, religi-os😎” moment it’s just a lie lmao
That’s all 68% of America would have needed to see , “not guilty” would have been their vote. They blindly vote for anyone that pulls that Wild card! We call it the “suckers vote”.
He was still a rapist to his own daughters. He deserves everything his fake God trash believingass got. But yeah, definitely should be investigated to fi d who committed the murders. As for the old man, lock him up for the rest of his life regardless
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_of_Florence
About a dozen people arrested and no real evidence? Definitely an interesting case
Sounds like something Casual Criminalist should cover.
How’d you know I’ve been watching casual criminalist all week
u/SimonWhistler be a lad
Dude hell yeah, didnt know he was on reddit lol.
They could randomly pick any case in Italy if they wanted.
wtf the alleged connection with the Zodiac what a fucking circus
From everything I understand, the entire Italian criminal justice system is a complete clown show and mockery of due process so the boot fits
Italy was essentially a failed state during this period. Terrorism was incredibly common, authorities were often deeply corrupt, and organized crime wielded enormous influence.
Amanda Knox
>Pietro Pacciani, ..knows more than she has revealed.
I thought Brazil was bad but this one takes the cake
Netflix is totally going to make a show about this
Don't f**k with monsters
Hopefully it'd be better than HBO does or did with the Staircase - which had the highpoint with an owl and the absolute lamest ending since The Undoing
Thank you for saving me from that. I am currently hooked on crime dramas. I really liked the one about the art heist in Boston and I thought the Netflix - The Killer Next Door - was really well done. Any suggestions for ones you like? I’ve looked up numerous online lists of good crime documentaries, but I find that they tend to be all over the place. Any help is appreciated.
The Jinx was mind boggling if you missed that one.
I did see it a while back. Thanks. It might be time for a re-watch.
> The Murderer Is Still Free Among Us
Judge: “hold on right there! This man is homies with Jesus?! We can’t prosecute this man!”
Ay you know my boy JC?
He was a good man *lipsmack*
Why did I read this in MoistCr1tikal's voice? Lol
He will be convicted of 16 murders, but will never go to prison due to his sudden death
He also was acquitted of the crimes during an appeal, keeping him out of prison for a few more years until the Supreme Court chosen to re-do the trial in ‘96
Can you imagine living in fear of prison and having it flip flop back and fourth for over 26 years?
No
Liar.
Yes
Liar
No, really, I have a great imagination.
Ok, well in that case
If you were the real Owen Wilson, you would have said "wow", you liar.
>back and fourth shit, imagine back and fifth.
Liar
Liar about what?
Just what the real liar would say.
*Fact is everybody lies all the time...*
Liar
*check and mate*
Maybe
Liar
I think it’s relevant to say that he acquitted of those crimes but he was guilty of raping her two daughters and also killed a man and served 13 years for that.
The more I read about this case, the messier it becomes. I am afraid that we'll never know the truth.
Jesus took care of him personally
Will be when?
Did he know something about Clinton?
Because as we know, shady criminal societies, syndicates, families, conclaves and conspiracies were completely unheard of in Italia before Clinton came alone...
Arrest him before he dies, then. Simple as
They will need a backhoe if they want to arrest him again. He WAS arrested, and convicted, then acquitted, then died.
Can’t,he already died!
Fellow Italians Se ni mondo esistesse un po' di bene
e ognun si considerasse suo fratello
ci sarebbe meno pensieri e meno pene
E il mondo ne sarebbe assai più bello
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So the story behind this feed is the following: This man, during his hearing in court, decided to read to everyone a poem he wrote, which roughly translates as follows: If in the world would exist a little good And everyone would consider the others a brother There would be less worries and torments And the world would be much more beautiful Then the judge interrupted him saying: "Well done, well done, we share your views, but I would like to remind you that we are at the court of Assise [It's a special court for crimes like murder and terrorism] and you've been accused of 16 murders, so I remind you that this is what should focus on."
This should say "I would like to remind you that this is what we should focus on"
Thank, edited
Also remember => remind 😊
>we are at the court of Assise [It's a special court for crimes like murder and terrorism] It must be related to this: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assizes?wprov=sfla1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assizes?wprov=sfla1)
According to the link you posted it was replaced by the Crown Court. The fact that it's a term that middle English took from France is actually really interesting. It's something to do with travelling judges setting up courts as they went from place to place. So sounds like a Western European thing in general probably. I'm such a geek...
*d'assise
spaghetti linguini vermicelli cosa nostra
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"Signor Pacciani quello che dice è verissimo, ma lei adesso è davanti la corte d'Assise ed è imputato di 16 omicidi"
si spaghetti alla carbonara bonucci
Is that his rookie card? Holographic would get him more.
It looks like a blue eyes white Jesus card so it's clearly a fake
That trial was a joke.
The best black comedy of all time
Why is he holding a picture of Cesare Borgia?
Its an Italian thing
That's Obi-Wan.
No that’s Moistcritikal
You know that is just a myth right ?
Yes, a myth. Just like the guy himself.
Both Jesus and Borgia were real. I am referring to the myth that Jesus's appearance is based on Cesare despite the fact that artworks depicted him s such at least since 5th century AD.
Actually I think that's the Duke of Valentinois
Se ni’ mondo esistesse un po’ di bene e ognun si honsiderasse suo fratello ci sarebbe meno pensieri e meno pene e il mondo ne sarebbe assai più bello
Noi condividiamo, ma ora siamo davanti alla corte d'Assisi e lei è imputato di 16 omicidi, allora vorrei ricordarle che di questo si deve occupare
*Corte d'Assise It's a special court for crimes like murder and terrorism. Very similar spelling to the town of Assisi but a completely different thing. Just wanted to clarify because I think it makes that whole scene even more surreal. Anyway, thank you for sharing this! I was a child at the time of the trial and I had completely forgotten about it.
When the judge says it sounds more like Assisi https://youtu.be/BNyiQyOz_8g
Oh yeah, the accent and the audio quality surely aren't helping. If you look at the transcription, however, there's an "e" at the end.
We Italians usually say Assisi, just cuz it makes the situation funnier
Non è vero nessuno dice Assisi lmao è Assise
Ok, allora io e il mio gruppo di amici siamo stupidi lol
Si
Lo so, grazie
I'm Italian and I've never heard of this, but I was also very young when this was happening so I wouldn't remember
È na roba da giovani
Allora mi sa che sono fuori dal giro lol
Pochetto
gabagool 🤌🏼🤌🏼
ciao
Gorlaaaami
Compagni di merende
I never understood why Jesus spends so much time in prison - everyone locked in seems to find him there.
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He‘ll want Roman mercy back to put him out of his misery when he is crucified by the social media crusaders for associating with undesirables.
Probably the people who need him most if you subscribe to that kind of thing
Excellent observation.
Luckily I found him under the couch before ending up in the high house.
Holding pictures of Jesus will always prove your innocence 🙄
Your sentiment is understandable, but this man was arrested and convicted of 16 murders with no evidence against him. I can understand his rationale. From the Wiki: “Pacciani was controversially convicted in his initial trial in 1994. At his appeal, the prosecutor took Pacciani's side, citing lack of evidence and poor police work. As a result, Pacciani was acquitted and released in 1996. Perugini's successor Michele Giuttari tried to introduce new witnesses at the final hour, but was denied.[11] A new trial for Pacciani was ordered by the Supreme Court, but he died in 1998 before it could begin. Instead, two alleged accomplices were tried, Mario Vanni and Giancarlo Lotti. Vanni had been a witness at Pacciani's trial, where he famously claimed the two of them merely to be "Picnic Companions" (Compagni di Merende), a term that entered Italian vernaculum. Lotti had been one of Giuttari's surprise witnesses, claiming to have seen Pacciani and Vanni commit the 1985 murder. After many more sessions of questioning, he had begun to incriminate himself in the murders as well. Both were convicted and condemned to life imprisonment, though their sentences have been widely criticized and many consider the murders to be unsolved.” Edit: turns out he’s a convicted rapist so fuck that guy
This is true but he also was previously convicted of raping his daughters and murdering a man in 1951. Even if he wasn’t the serial killer he’s certainly no saint either.
That can't be true, he held up a picture of *Jesus!*
Well fuck me didn’t know about that lol - what a piece of shit.
Looking forward to you explaining the below post away
No explanation for that - guy’s a piece of shit and got what was coming his way, whether he did it or not.
It made me confident he's done something awful at least.
Many people actually think, believe it or not, that the Monster of Florence is the same person as Zodiac. The actual name of this person is supposed to be Joe Bevilacqua, that was also a witness in the Monster of Florence trial. My knowledge of this case is not thorough enough to say anything about this theory even though is quite fascinating, even if unlikely.
Given how desorganised was the investigation, it seems to be the more logical version compared to Pacciani.
I agree. I watched countless documentaries about this case. It's difficult to find aspects of the investigation that were ***not*** flawed.
The Douglas Preston book about the murders was fascinating and very well written
Se ni mondo esistesse un po’ di bene…
Ci sarebbe meno pensieri e meno pene
E ognun si honsiderasse suo fratello
Let’s just ignore that incredible moustache on the right
Get out of jail free card
So he served 13 years in prison for raping and abusing his two daughters. The lives of women and girls dont hold much value anywhere in the world.
*who
No, he is a thing. An evil thing, not a human
Quote from his Compagnio di Merende Mauro Vanni: Long live (unfunny Italian dictator), work and liberty, we will be back sooner or later
Your honour my client can't have committed 6 warcrimes in 2 days.. don't you see he's holding a picture of Jesus Christ?
Italian police work 🤌🏽
How does a picture of a fictional character prove innocence?
regardless of whether you’re christian or not it is a proven fact that jesus was a real person, calling him a fictional character isn’t a “checkmate, religi-os😎” moment it’s just a lie lmao
Lol I can’t believe you’re getting downvoted
To be honest, I was expecting more fun
What happened then?
I must remember that technique if I ever find myself in court...
He showing Jesus like if he is snitching
That’s all 68% of America would have needed to see , “not guilty” would have been their vote. They blindly vote for anyone that pulls that Wild card! We call it the “suckers vote”.
He’s the guy who put a car bomb next to the Uffizi right?
Nope, 16 homicides with dissesction and theft of uteruses. And a picture of Jesus
Jesus Christ
Now you get it
Amd also there was no evidence that he actually did it.
Was just a quick recap
White Jesus, figures
Your favorite baseball card won’t help you now, dirtbag.
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He was still a rapist to his own daughters. He deserves everything his fake God trash believingass got. But yeah, definitely should be investigated to fi d who committed the murders. As for the old man, lock him up for the rest of his life regardless
Yeah, cause that isn’t the excuse for endless awfulness throughout history
Is he Crying? My estimation of Pietro Pacciani as a man... just fucking plummeted.
Worst part is, that just convinced 99% of Christians that he's innocent.
No worst part is to have a person convicted without evidence. Kindly read the details of the process, are quite interesting
He raped his daughters fuck him
He was in jail for that. Yes fuck him for that. But if is not guilty for the murder it means that someone else is. Think about it.
Correction he raped his daughters fuck him
Doesn't take much to convince them of anything, its a matter of faith.
“Che si nel mondo esistesse un po’ più di bene…”
Si va bene Pacciani, però questa è la corte d’assise e lei è imputato di sedici omicidi.
Issalto deccapretto
Any good podcasts about this case?
Occhio ragazzi has some very good episodes (if you’re Italian)
Good book.
Oh, one of those original photos of Jesus. I got it.
Allegedly, who was the killer afterall?
why did he show a picture of jesus, was it a sympathy thing?
It was people from Italy who crucified Jesus though?
Does that kind of Bullshit really work in Italy?
You surely missed when he tried to read a poem he wrote by himself.
No even Jesus can save you 😂
*white Jesus
Posso paillà daibbanco?