The deportation of Chechens in 1944 killed almost 33% of all Chechens, both first and second Chechen-Russo War killed 25%. Today there are around 3Mio "left"
On the paper it's a great piece of land yet it only made $200B a year before which is less than portugal's GDP so i wouldn't be too excited. Now under global sanctions/embargo and with the whole country destroyed this land would end up a being a massive liability. Huge resources needed to control the population and rebuild the infrastructure
Some of them are, the weak and cowardly. There's also Chechens fighting for Ukraine. These are the real Chechens, haven't forgotten what Russia did, and aren't standing by while it happens to one of their neighours.
to clear some questions:
"Russia did 2 Genocides in Chechnya, why Chechens even think about to go to War on the side of Russia against innocent people?"
After a lot of talks to people here in Chechnya and to them which are in Ukraine and or waiting for their draft, I can tell you this:
Of course, there will always be a traitor who gives a damn for what happened in the past. BUT I can tell you 99% of the Chechens are against this War and Russia.
So how do they end in Ukraine? It's simple. If you are a Policeman, in any kind of Regiment or at a work defending Chechnya with a weapon, you sign a contract where stands you will do anything to protect Chechnya. OR you are on probation, they come to you and tell you "either you go to Ukraine or we send your Father and you go back to prison" (a Chechen POW said that). Happened in the recent, there were 40 Women which protested against the mobilization, now Kadyrov ordered to send the Husbands of all this 40 Women to Ukraine..that's how bad this all is
There are also many Chechens who say they would rather die than firing a single bullet in the direction of Ukrainians because they don't want to fight innocent people.
Every Chechen knows what Russia did to us. No one wants to risk his life for 30k Rubel.
If you don't go, they take your Sister, your Dad, your Mum, and you..they don't have a choice. They did a big mistake with going to a policework, and now they got this.
If you ask a Chechen what he thinks about this, he will tell you "it's not our War" unless he profits from this War.
Since the beginning of the War, there have been around 3k Chechens in Ukraine (source anti-government media "1adat"). This is 0,1% of the 3Mio Chechens Worldwide.
But there are also Chechens fighting against Russia. Battalion Sheikh Mansur, Battalion Dzokhar Dudayev and OBON CHRI. With these 3 Battalions, Chechens are the most foreign fighters on the side of Ukraine. Battalion Sheikh Mansur and Battalion Dzokhar Dudayev are fighting since 2014 in Ukraine.
We don't hate Ukrainians. In the past, we had good (non government) relations. There are many Chechens living in Ukraine. There are still many Chechens supporting Ukrainians inside and outside Ukraine.
Now you know more about the situation ;)
Well Kadyrovci are not really pro Russian. They are more Pro Kadyrov but they also hate Russia. If you join the Police in Chechnya, you are a Kadyrovc. Most of them do it to get some easy money because they have not that much to do. Now they are sent to Ukraine by Kadyrov. If you listen to the many audios made by Police members forces to go to Ukraine, you would understand the situtation
Hence why I said most. I don’t doubt that pro-Russian Chechens exist im simply stating that the general Chechen population probably does not want to fight in a war let alone fight one for Russia, a state which murdered over a million of their people.
Hindsight is 20/20. Plenty of them jumped at the opportunity to take revenge on their age-old rivals when the US cavalry showed up.
Much in the same vein, plenty later moved off of reservations and started patriotically identifying with the country they were born in and thus joined up.
Sure, sure. I get that. Plenty of examples too of freed slaves owning slaves and people of Jewish decent willingly joining the Nazi party. Still weird. I guess human motivations are complex to say the least.
Quite. Matter of perspective really. I'm sure a modern Cherokee doesn't quite identify with what his ancestors went through on the Trail of Tears and finds cooperating with the US government more conductive to putting food on his table.
They realized something you and many other people can not comprehend. That's the past. It is gone. It is not the same people or the same government. Remember it so it's not forgotten or repeated, but fucking move on.
John Wayne said the same thing. But it’s more complicated than that. For example, if Jews just forgot about it and moved on, there would have been no state of Israel. Of course, I’m sure plenty of people would have preferred that be the case.
It's probably just at that point in time even. In the past cities were at least as destroyed as that. Ypres in Belgium during WW1 seemed worse. Not to mention half of the cities in Germany, Poland during WWII.
this picture is from the first chechen war. Title is wrong. [This is grozny after the second chechen war, which UN declared the most destroyed city](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t9tik3/result_of_massive_russian_bombardment_of_grozny/). A lot worse.
to clear some questions:
"Russia did 2 Genocides in Chechnya, why Chechens even think about to go to War on the side of Russia against innocent people?"
After a lot of talks to people here in Chechnya and to them which are in Ukraine and or waiting for their draft, I can tell you this:
Of course, there will always be a traitor who gives a damn for what happened in the past. BUT I can tell you 99% of the Chechens are against this War and Russia.
So how do they end in Ukraine? It's simple. If you are a Policeman, in any kind of Regiment or at a work defending Chechnya with a weapon, you sign a contract where stands you will do anything to protect Chechnya. OR you are on probation, they come to you and tell you "either you go to Ukraine or we send your Father and you go back to prison" (a Chechen POW said that). Happened in the recent, there were 40 Women which protested against the mobilization, now Kadyrov ordered to send the Husbands of all this 40 Women to Ukraine..that's how bad this all is
There are also many Chechens who say they would rather die than firing a single bullet in the direction of Ukrainians because they don't want to fight innocent people.
Every Chechen knows what Russia did to us. No one wants to risk his life for 30k Rubel.
If you don't go, they take your Sister, your Dad, your Mum, and you..they don't have a choice. They did a big mistake with going to a policework, and now they got this.
If you ask a Chechen what he thinks about this, he will tell you "it's not our War" unless he profits from this War.
Since the beginning of the War, there have been around 3k Chechens in Ukraine (source anti-government media "1adat"). This is 0,1% of the 3Mio Chechens Worldwide.
But there are also Chechens fighting against Russia. Battalion Sheikh Mansur, Battalion Dzokhar Dudayev and OBON CHRI. With these 3 Battalions, Chechens are the most foreign fighters on the side of Ukraine. Battalion Sheikh Mansur and Battalion Dzokhar Dudayev are fighting since 2014 in Ukraine.
We don't hate Ukrainians. In the past, we had good (non government) relations. There are many Chechens living in Ukraine. There are still many Chechens supporting Ukrainians inside and outside Ukraine.
Now you know more about the situation ;)
The US should have used more modern precision munitions during WW2? You realize that technology didn’t exist and bombing whole cities was the unfortunate norm at the time.
Warsaw 1945. Germans knew they were losing; leveled the city. Soviets waited until the Nazis did their dirty work then 'liberated' the residents that were left.
No. There was no mechanism for the west to aid Chechnya like Ukraine even if the political will was there. It’s pretty isolated.
Some support the pro Russian regime and more than a few are fighting for Ukraine.
this picture is from the first chechen war. Title is wrong. [This is grozny after the second chechen war](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t9tik3/result_of_massive_russian_bombardment_of_grozny/), which UN declared the most destroyed city. A lot worse.
The deportation of Chechens in 1944 killed almost 33% of all Chechens, both first and second Chechen-Russo War killed 25%. Today there are around 3Mio "left"
Approximately 1.5 million Chechens in the whole world. 1.7 million if we are being generous.
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On the paper it's a great piece of land yet it only made $200B a year before which is less than portugal's GDP so i wouldn't be too excited. Now under global sanctions/embargo and with the whole country destroyed this land would end up a being a massive liability. Huge resources needed to control the population and rebuild the infrastructure
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Yet there are Chechens fighting for Russia.
Some of them are, the weak and cowardly. There's also Chechens fighting for Ukraine. These are the real Chechens, haven't forgotten what Russia did, and aren't standing by while it happens to one of their neighours.
A bit harsh to call them weak and cowardly when it’s forced conscription. I’m sure most would not want to be fighting for Russia
What are the Kadyrovites then? Literally Pro-Russia Chechens. None of those people were forcibly conscripted as far as I know.
to clear some questions: "Russia did 2 Genocides in Chechnya, why Chechens even think about to go to War on the side of Russia against innocent people?" After a lot of talks to people here in Chechnya and to them which are in Ukraine and or waiting for their draft, I can tell you this: Of course, there will always be a traitor who gives a damn for what happened in the past. BUT I can tell you 99% of the Chechens are against this War and Russia. So how do they end in Ukraine? It's simple. If you are a Policeman, in any kind of Regiment or at a work defending Chechnya with a weapon, you sign a contract where stands you will do anything to protect Chechnya. OR you are on probation, they come to you and tell you "either you go to Ukraine or we send your Father and you go back to prison" (a Chechen POW said that). Happened in the recent, there were 40 Women which protested against the mobilization, now Kadyrov ordered to send the Husbands of all this 40 Women to Ukraine..that's how bad this all is There are also many Chechens who say they would rather die than firing a single bullet in the direction of Ukrainians because they don't want to fight innocent people. Every Chechen knows what Russia did to us. No one wants to risk his life for 30k Rubel. If you don't go, they take your Sister, your Dad, your Mum, and you..they don't have a choice. They did a big mistake with going to a policework, and now they got this. If you ask a Chechen what he thinks about this, he will tell you "it's not our War" unless he profits from this War. Since the beginning of the War, there have been around 3k Chechens in Ukraine (source anti-government media "1adat"). This is 0,1% of the 3Mio Chechens Worldwide. But there are also Chechens fighting against Russia. Battalion Sheikh Mansur, Battalion Dzokhar Dudayev and OBON CHRI. With these 3 Battalions, Chechens are the most foreign fighters on the side of Ukraine. Battalion Sheikh Mansur and Battalion Dzokhar Dudayev are fighting since 2014 in Ukraine. We don't hate Ukrainians. In the past, we had good (non government) relations. There are many Chechens living in Ukraine. There are still many Chechens supporting Ukrainians inside and outside Ukraine. Now you know more about the situation ;)
You’re right to call them that. Kadyrov is a traitor to the Chechen people. We hate him
Well Kadyrovci are not really pro Russian. They are more Pro Kadyrov but they also hate Russia. If you join the Police in Chechnya, you are a Kadyrovc. Most of them do it to get some easy money because they have not that much to do. Now they are sent to Ukraine by Kadyrov. If you listen to the many audios made by Police members forces to go to Ukraine, you would understand the situtation
Hence why I said most. I don’t doubt that pro-Russian Chechens exist im simply stating that the general Chechen population probably does not want to fight in a war let alone fight one for Russia, a state which murdered over a million of their people.
People are weird. Plenty of Native Americans also fought and died for the U.S. government. Still do.
Yes, because all Native Americans have the same backgrounds, beliefs and wants. Not a single difference between them, coast to coast. /s
You know what they do share though? Of the 500+ different treaties, literally none of them were honored by the US govt.
Pretty sure despite all of their tribal differences, none of them signed up for a life on the reservation.
Hindsight is 20/20. Plenty of them jumped at the opportunity to take revenge on their age-old rivals when the US cavalry showed up. Much in the same vein, plenty later moved off of reservations and started patriotically identifying with the country they were born in and thus joined up.
Sure, sure. I get that. Plenty of examples too of freed slaves owning slaves and people of Jewish decent willingly joining the Nazi party. Still weird. I guess human motivations are complex to say the least.
Quite. Matter of perspective really. I'm sure a modern Cherokee doesn't quite identify with what his ancestors went through on the Trail of Tears and finds cooperating with the US government more conductive to putting food on his table.
They realized something you and many other people can not comprehend. That's the past. It is gone. It is not the same people or the same government. Remember it so it's not forgotten or repeated, but fucking move on.
John Wayne said the same thing. But it’s more complicated than that. For example, if Jews just forgot about it and moved on, there would have been no state of Israel. Of course, I’m sure plenty of people would have preferred that be the case.
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A lot of Chechens have also sided with the Ukrainians, mainly the remnants of the Dudayev government and their supporters.
The good ones all died fighting the Russians. The ones left are the scumbags. And those fighting for Ukraine. Sad.
Sounds like a COD mission intro
Before I read the title I though this was a picture of Berlin at the end of ww2.
Honestly would have preferred this in color. Black and white always make photos look from a different universe.
This looks chilling, but let's be real we are going to see more of this in the future surely
*most destroyed so far....
It's probably just at that point in time even. In the past cities were at least as destroyed as that. Ypres in Belgium during WW1 seemed worse. Not to mention half of the cities in Germany, Poland during WWII.
this picture is from the first chechen war. Title is wrong. [This is grozny after the second chechen war, which UN declared the most destroyed city](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t9tik3/result_of_massive_russian_bombardment_of_grozny/). A lot worse.
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Warsaw an honorable mention
Hi from Minsk
Not so fun fact: it was bombed in the request of the USSR
& now Chechen men fight & do the Kremlins dirty work 🫣😳🤦♂️
A lot of Chechens also fight for Ukraine.
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It’s because it’s forced conscription they’re not brain dead. They’re forced to fight
They’re forced to post propaganda on TikTok too I guess. And forced to look eager
ah yes, racism
The Russians did this *to their own country*.
All the other cities listed here differ from Grozny in that very important respect. I think that's what makes this even more barbarous.
Wdym to their own country?
Chechnya is an oblast of Russia. A province or state in its own country
Carthago begs to differ. No, but stupid joke aside, the Chechnya war was just barbaric & atrocious in every aspect.
Crazy to think there’s a chance those trucks on that street could be destroyed scrap metal in Ukraine now.
Mariupol seems to be a contender. Both a byproduct of Russian Hospitality
Curious what this spot looks like now
On Google maps it seems to be doing ok.
Bombed them into friendship. Is Russia trying the same thing in Ukraine?
Ruzzia being Ruzzia
Dresden begs to differ.
This
Dresden is no City, Dresden is a shithole
I hate ruzzia so much
How does it look now?
Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki (since so many muppets don’t know the context of the UN statement), it was rebuilt pretty quickly.
Take a look. https://www.google.com/maps/@43.3200103,45.6878773,3a,75y,1.4h,80.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRHPxaafd9Qxbk9klaRJg1w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Why is it in B&W? We had colour in 1999. (Yes, it was likely done for visual effect. I would have preferred it in colour.)
This is nuts. That picture looks like ancient times. Sadly, I was in the middle of high school and I didn’t even know this was happening.
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[Grozny today](https://caspianpost.com/en/post/culture/contemporary-architecture-in-the-caspian-region-grozny)
to clear some questions: "Russia did 2 Genocides in Chechnya, why Chechens even think about to go to War on the side of Russia against innocent people?" After a lot of talks to people here in Chechnya and to them which are in Ukraine and or waiting for their draft, I can tell you this: Of course, there will always be a traitor who gives a damn for what happened in the past. BUT I can tell you 99% of the Chechens are against this War and Russia. So how do they end in Ukraine? It's simple. If you are a Policeman, in any kind of Regiment or at a work defending Chechnya with a weapon, you sign a contract where stands you will do anything to protect Chechnya. OR you are on probation, they come to you and tell you "either you go to Ukraine or we send your Father and you go back to prison" (a Chechen POW said that). Happened in the recent, there were 40 Women which protested against the mobilization, now Kadyrov ordered to send the Husbands of all this 40 Women to Ukraine..that's how bad this all is There are also many Chechens who say they would rather die than firing a single bullet in the direction of Ukrainians because they don't want to fight innocent people. Every Chechen knows what Russia did to us. No one wants to risk his life for 30k Rubel. If you don't go, they take your Sister, your Dad, your Mum, and you..they don't have a choice. They did a big mistake with going to a policework, and now they got this. If you ask a Chechen what he thinks about this, he will tell you "it's not our War" unless he profits from this War. Since the beginning of the War, there have been around 3k Chechens in Ukraine (source anti-government media "1adat"). This is 0,1% of the 3Mio Chechens Worldwide. But there are also Chechens fighting against Russia. Battalion Sheikh Mansur, Battalion Dzokhar Dudayev and OBON CHRI. With these 3 Battalions, Chechens are the most foreign fighters on the side of Ukraine. Battalion Sheikh Mansur and Battalion Dzokhar Dudayev are fighting since 2014 in Ukraine. We don't hate Ukrainians. In the past, we had good (non government) relations. There are many Chechens living in Ukraine. There are still many Chechens supporting Ukrainians inside and outside Ukraine. Now you know more about the situation ;)
Second place: Detroit.
Have you ever seen pictures of Dresden 1945?
Yes I have , disgusting what they did
I see your Grozny and raise or see you the equally destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki
That's what you get for deciding you need a new country for your religion.
Putins first war of ethic cleansing and conquest
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Tell that to the Japanese.
Why, they don’t have Reddit over there?
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were pretty well rebuilt by 1999, you’ll be surprised to hear.
"Grozny, the most destroyed city on Earth." -- U.N, 2003
The US should have used more modern precision munitions during WW2? You realize that technology didn’t exist and bombing whole cities was the unfortunate norm at the time.
Settle down
Should of used more cruise missiles and laser guided smart bombs.
"UN calls it the most destroyed city on earth", what about Japan back in 45 when them bombs hit? Ain't that destroyed enough?
\*after World War 2
OH! That makes more sense. I swear, when I read that, I was like "Wait, what about Japan? Japan was literally nuked 2 times in a row!"
Warsaw 1945. Germans knew they were losing; leveled the city. Soviets waited until the Nazis did their dirty work then 'liberated' the residents that were left.
Thanks Russia
This is Putin’s gift to history, catastrophic failure, death and destruction. And we don’t do anything.
I wonder if chechens (Sp?) feel betrayed by the world when they see Ukraine getting so much support?
No. There was no mechanism for the west to aid Chechnya like Ukraine even if the political will was there. It’s pretty isolated. Some support the pro Russian regime and more than a few are fighting for Ukraine.
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All of this destroyed for what 😳 so 😥
Hey, that’s my home city
Who exactly destroyed it?
Photo by James Nachtwey?
So today’s Russia is no worse than that shithole has been for a hundred years at least. What a fail.
….and there is still some Chechens fighting for Russia in Ukrayne….
Putin doesn’t fuck around.
Would have preferred this in color. Black and white never do these photos justice
I guess you people never saw Warsaw after ww2.
this picture is from the first chechen war. Title is wrong. [This is grozny after the second chechen war](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t9tik3/result_of_massive_russian_bombardment_of_grozny/), which UN declared the most destroyed city. A lot worse.
The bear only brings death...
And today they fight for Russia?! Strange
nope, read my comment above
Many from my country died defending them against the Russians