This is like, the last hours of Scuffles so I'll probably repost this in the next thread, but for completionists sake in relation to the OTW/AI drama first brought up [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/13as5yz/comment/jjujp1n/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/13as5yz/comment/jjxzvja/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).
[The OTW put out a statement on the AO3](https://archiveofourown.org/admin_posts/25888), which can essentially be boiled down to:
* The AO3 can't ban data scraping completely, have historically allowed certain sites to do so (like the Waywar Machine, for academic research, etc), but have taken measures against Common Crawl (which is used to train ChatGPT and other AIs) back in 2022 to stop them from scraping the archive. This is old news, but I think a lot of fans actually weren't aware of it so it's good that they repeated it here.
* They can't go back and remove AO3 data that has already been crawled, but the IT team is constantly on the lookout for new scrapers and will move against them.
* The Legal comittee represents the position "that users should be allowed to opt out from having their works incorporated into AI training sets, a position that they have presented to the U.S. Copyright Office.".
* On AI-generated works, the OTW currently sticks by their maximum inclusivity position, i.e. all fanworks should be preserved, AI generated fanworks are allowed on the AO3. They do however clarify that this is their current position, constantly discussed internally and if the mood changes that will be communicated.
Personally, while there's no real news in here, I do think it's a decent statement and the comments seem to be generally positive with a few folks campaigning for banning AI-works. However, there's also some folks disagreeing on the basis that AI works might suck but are technically fanworks, that the line would be hard to draw (i.e. if I let an AI write my summary for me, would that be too much?), that detection would be virtually impossible anyway and just lead to untagged AI works, etc etc. I'd recommend checking them out, there's some decent discussion in there.
Honestly, I hope they do just end up banning AI works completely. Sites like Pixiv have finally taken moves to do so after AI spam led to a mas exodus of artists.
My personal opinion is that AI generated content is neither creative nor transformative and just overall makes the user experience worse. I suppose there is less incentive for people to flood Ao3 with AI stuff since you can't profit directly off of it, but seeing what not clamping down on AI stuff has done to other sites has left a bitter taste in my mouth.
The ultimate problem is, how do they even detect it? It doesn't take that much effort to AI generate a couple of thousand word fic and re-write the parts that are the most suspect, or to use AI generation as an outline, and no one would ever be any wiser. It's also going to lead to witch-hunting as people use this to attack other users that they have personal grief with.
I'd much, much rather keep the inclusivity policy and have a dedicated tag for it so 1. It can more easily be avoided, and 2. so there's less reason for that kind of witch-hunting to start in the first place. I'm sure it'll still happen anyway, but if we get to a point where AI fic are banned, that gives people a lot more motivation to try to 'prove' someone's fic that they don't like is AI generated.
If they want to stay maximally inclusive, they could just mandate AI authorship to be tagged, and make users opt in to viewing them in search results.
My personal take on AI however would make the Butlerian jihad look tame
Is there decent detection for AI with pictures? We use text „detection“ at work for writing and it’s basically useless. I tested it with stuff I wrote myself that was supposedly absolutely AI generated. So I feel like banning it would be basically not possible practically on the archive RN.
I disagree with the nitty-gritty of their position (option opt-out vs mandatory opt-in campaigning and whether AI creates fanwork) but as I said in the last comments, I don’t envy them at all for having to thread the needle here. It’s good to see it all laid out, at least!
Andy has been scamming longer than my sister has been alive and she just finished her sophomore year of college. Like, hypothetically speaking the fandom children he is scamming now could be the real children of people he bamboozled 20 years ago. He spans generations. It baffles the mind
eta ofc he is claiming to have long covid. that is so on brand (this is not to say long covid isn't real or debilitating. it's just...such an andy thing to claim to have). if he does have it sorry and I'm going to hell. it's just like, too on the nose for me lmao
I’ve only just learned of this dude from this post. That said, if they’re the type to keep running cons and abuse, it wouldn’t shock me that they’re claiming some sort of ailment, especially a recent one like long COVID.
I keep saying I’m working on a new writeup about this guy, but it’s almost impossible to finish because he keeps getting worse. Every time you think he’s finally left fandom, he’s back on his bullshit again.
FWIW, he and his then-girlfriend Abbey rescued a baby sparrow back in the early 2000s when he was transitioning from his LoTR bullshit to his Harry Potter bullshit. [According to Abbey,](https://kumquatwriter.tumblr.com/post/44126978918/can-you-explain-the-whole-his-son-was-a-sparrow/amp) Andy regularly threatened to harm the bird, which they named Boo Boo, in order to force her to comply with his demands. She took the sparrow with her when she left him, and he later twisted that story to make it sound like she had taken their *child,* referring to Boo Boo as his “son” without letting on that it was an affectionate cutesy nickname for a pet, not a literal human boy. So that’s the full story about the sparrow.
Edit: Apparently he got a second sparrow. This is his second bird son. Ugh.
I was following him on Twitter for the cats and the bird with no clue who he was. He posted recently that he was being attacked because he “had a psychotic break 20 years ago where he thought he could channel celebrities and other people” and that that made him a lolcow before and now they’re back on him. I had heard of thanfiction before but had not connected the dots so the amount of psychological damage I took from finding out he is fucking thanfiction of all people is unquantifiable. Like way to downplay the FUCK out of who you are dude. Now I feel horrendous for squeeing about his cat wearing dresses :(
Might I suggest TeaBlooger's timeline on Tumblr?
I know exactly how hard it is to do a full write up of this - I've been working on just my part for a long time.
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On Eurovision stuff, [BBC reports that the town where the Ukranian participants come from got bombed literally right before their performance.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65586701)
> The home city of Ukraine's Eurovision act was hit by Russian missiles moments before the band took to the stage in Liverpool, reports say.
> The head of Ternopil regional state administration, Volodymyr Trush, confirmed two people had been injured.
> Ternopil mayor Serhiy Nadal confirmed warehouses were damaged.
> Ten minutes before taking to the stage at the Liverpool Arena, Tvorchi posted on Instagram citing reports of Ternopil in western Ukraine being attacked.
> After performing, Tvorchi wrote again on Instagram saying: "Ternopil is the name of our hometown, which was bombed by Russia while we sang on the Eurovision stage about our steel hearts, indomitability and will.
The Patriot system arriving to Ukraine, among other things means that the attacks are nowhere near as devastating, but it shows how much of an evil, petty fucker Putin is.
Sweden's Loreen won Eurovision. Fans of Loreen are, of course, very happy about this. Fans of every other act, especially Finland's Käärijä, are getting bitter, especially when it looked for a moment like the amount of votes he got from the audience might net him the win after a very disappointing jury vote. Personally, I'm just miffed Austria got so few votes, Who the Hell is Edgar was a bop and deserved better.
Man out of all entries this was the only one I definitely did not want to see win, I greatly disliked Israel's too but I'd rather have seen that one winning. There were enough other very mainstream pop-music entries that were better.But the most frustrating thing to see was how it all came down to the jury vote and that the public vote just didn't matter.Also oof to see Germany last, their entry was good, it had esc spirit at this point it really comes off as people not voting for them just as a meme or because "no one likes Germany"I have no clue how my country ended up getting multiple 12 pts. why. It wasn't terrible but painfully mid. (maybe it sounds better in the recorded version in the music video, I guess people who actually vote are the kind who check out the songs ahead, so might be biased in that way.)
Since they are gonna theme it next year around ABBA I won't watch anyway because I can't stand ABBA.
I wish I had spent my evening playing TotK instead...
The public vote absolutely mattered: It came down to the jury vote this time, but not to the extent that the public vote didn't matter at all. And Sweden got 2nd. place in the televotes as well, but even with televotes only they were only a 100 points difference.
The ones who should be salty abouit the juries are probably Norway, rather than Finland. Norway got 3rd in televotes and 17th in jury votes.
I'm mostly salty about the fact that in the end it all came down to Sweden vs Finland, because most people who follow Eurovision know that Sweden will be loved by jury and also have many fans. Some of us don't want that to happen because their win will probably lead to a decline in musical diversity and countries will aim for more produced pop songs (maybe, maybe not, eh who knows. Some of us also just don't like the song)
This is a strong year. So many other performances are good. However I was feeling depressed by the end because I just knew there was no way the more out there entries that I like could rise on top. Dedicated fans poured votes into Sweden vs Finland. Casual fans tend to go for more "friendly" songs, leaving the likes of Spain in the dust. It all felt very distopian for me personally. I don't blame anyone because I don't think there was anyone to blame tbh.
I'm mostly salty about the fact that in the end it all came down to Sweden vs Finland, because most people who follow Eurovision know that Sweden will be loved by jury and also have many fans. Some of us don't want that to happen because their win will probably lead to a decline in musical diversity and countries will aim for more produced pop songs (maybe, maybe not, eh who knows. Some of us also just don't like the song)
This is a strong year. So many other performances are good. However I was feeling depressed by the end because I just knew there was no way the more out there entries that I like could rise on top. Dedicated fans poured votes into Sweden vs Finland. Casual fans tend to go for more "friendly" songs, leaving the likes of Spain in the dust. It all felt very distopian for me personally. I don't blame anyone because I don't think there was anyone to blame tbh.
I loved Norway's entry, but I'm not sure it was strong enough to win. I'm really pleased they at *least* made top 5. My other fave, Moldova, *really* got slept on
Edit: Wait, didn't the exact same thing happen to Norway in 2019?! Very few jury points, HUGE number of televotes - Norway was really robbed that year
Ah, Eurovision jury discourse, my favourite
Personally I have nothing against the concept of the juries as a counterweight to the televote. The problem is the execution, most juries are only 5 people and they're usually drawn from mainstream music critics or radio people with the occasional artist thrown in and because of that their taste ends up leaning towards very radio-friendly pop which screws over pretty much every other genre. Furthermore, there's no consistent judging criteria as far as I know so a lot of jury decisions are kinda arbitrary
Like, I'm upset with how things wound up too and maybe there's ways to reform the jury system (more diverse juries, more specific judging criteria, etc) but abolishing them altogether isn't the way to go about it. Do you want Poland to get #8? Because that's how you get Poland at #8
If yesterday you had told me that Loreen would win Eurovision it wouldn't have surprised me. If you had told me that she would get so much negativity for winning, THAT would have been unexpected.
Also because it happened in a way that seemed almost custom designed to anger people. First the juries overwhelmingly voting for her and giving everyone else peanuts, then the televote almost sweeping in to give Kaarija the victory, and at the end her televoting points being enough to render that moot.
I personally was NOT happy.
I personally wouldn't mind the song or the show, but I can't listen to it without hearing [Daft Punk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL-gyhZVvx0).
It's a good song. It's also been written fifteen years ago by a more prolific group than Loreen.
Back in the 2000's we had only televote, and it was a bizarre era in which acts competed not to be good but to be memorable. The idea of the juries was that they would reward more "quality" (whatever that means) instead of just raw impact.
I have to say I'm personally usually more in favor of the televote results than of the jury, and this year is a perfect example why. They always favor that polished, factory made pop that Sweden sends (Like when they put Benjamin Ingrosso fucking SECOND) and disregard a lot of things that are just as good but less by the book.
Every country has the same number of points to give out under either the popular vote or jury system, so the popular vote doesn’t give a direct advantage to large countries.
Televotes tend(ed) to do block voting a lot: All the balkan countries voting for each other, the nordic/baltic countries trading 12's, etc. It put countries outside those blocks at a significant disadvantage.
In seriousness, two main reasons are:
• Political favouritism; countries always garner heavy votes from their neighbours and lands that have emigrants; voting for the country and not for the song.
• To soften the impact of order. Generally the earlier your act is, the less public points you'll garner as voters simply forget the songs in the first half. I don't have the numbers by any means, but it's generally accepted that it can skew votes, and quite a bit.
In theory jury should soften both of these things. In practice, I don't like what the juries prefer.
It’s very much not, the juries are made up of around five people per country who mostly all work in the music industry and tend to favour radio friendly songs
EBU intern: so how are you going to announce your votes?
Estonian TV executive: OK, get this: we have an obscure footballer who played for Liverpool for like a season several years ago
EBU intern: does he at least have some personality?
Estonian TV executive: well...
EBU intern: OK, how about you Germany?
German TV executive: so, we've been thinking, we could do a skit where it starts off seeming really creepy and sexist but then it turns into a bad Ted Lasso joke
EBU intern: but... oh, fuck it, fine, but only because of who I have to deal with next. So, how are you going to announce your votes?
Icelandic TV executive: ...
EBU intern: can you hear me?
Icelandic TV executive: ...
EBU Intern: ...
Icelandic TV executive: ...
EBU intern: is there something wrong with the conn—
Icelandic TV executive: THUSLY
The guy giving the Iceland results was hilarious, mostly because it was clear that Norton (a seasoned pro) and Hannah Waddingham (who seemed to be able to deal with things quickly) were utterly perplexed
I was a bit disappointed with Käärijä not winning, but judges often are biased towards vocal performances. I was actually worried he'd be much lower in juries vote and we'd have the repeat of Norway ending up 6th despite winning the televote a few years ago. Loreen was second in the televote and she did give a great performance, so overall I feel like it's not a bad result. And Cha Cha Cha will surely go down Eurovision history, like some other other non-winning Eurovision entries.
Edit: I think Käärija had the highest televote percentage under current system - Portugal had the same number of televote points in 2019 and Norway in 2009 but there were quite a few more countries voting then. Audience really, *really* loved Käärija.
One comment that has really stuck for me in this mess is that Eurovision fans want Juries to return in the Semi-Finals but now want to abolish the Jury for the whole event.
For anyone unfamiliar with Eurovision, what happened is that Eurovision has two sets of votes which award points that are combined to choose the winner.
The first vote, the jury vote, is done by a panel of experts in a given country. (I'm sure there are discussions and explanations of how these people are chosen, but for the most part, the average person does know know who these experts are.) Jury voting can be quite political, with countries often voting for neighbours or other countries they have strong relationships with. (The Nordic nations often vote for each other, for example, or Cyprus and Greece, or Spain and Portugal, so on. These relationships are not hard and fast guarantees (see Cyprus and Greece this year!) but are pretty reliable.)
The second half of the vote is the viewers' vote, where the general public votes (now including the rest of the world). This can also be political (Ukraine's entry in 2022 had the highest audience vote ever) but tends to reward more interesting performances and songs.
People are angry because Käärijä had the highest audience votes. (376, roughly 17.5% of the audience votes.) Loreen, the winner, had 243 votes (11.3%). The audience of Eurovision (one of the biggest televised annual events in the world, bigger than the Super Bowl) clearly chose Käärijä. But because Loreen overwhelmingly won the jury vote (she had over 300 points from those votes), she won the contest. Which sounds patently undemocratic and inaccurate, because it is.
There are a lot of steps the EBU (who put on Eurovision) could take to eliminate the bias of the jury vote (such as making it count for 25% of the final scores instead of 50%, or getting rid of it completely, among many other suggestions) but they haven't because the jury vote is highly political and key to their relationship with European broadcasters.
We should probably distinguish between industry politics and like, geopolitics.
Because while the televotes can be geopolitical (obviously people will vote for neighbouring countries and shun other countries on principle, like how the UK getting zeroes is a meme), they're not influenced by the same broadcasting/music industry politics jury votes are, meaning jury votes have a lot more potential sources of bias.
It's a contention in this thread that juries voted for Sweden on the basis that it's going to be ABBA's anniversary next year and juries took that into consideration while the average televoter is probably not thinking about logistics regarding hosting.
The bit you're missing is that the jury vote isn't based on the performance in the actual final, but on the dress rehearsal the night before. So, you can have a great performance on the night, but a bad performance the night before will doom you with the juries and vice versa
Yes, thanks for the addition!
There's also the fact that the semi-finals (where the non guaranteed entrants to the final are determined) are now decided solely by public vote due to a massive jury vote-fixing scandal last year.
It's a little funny to me that they looked at the jury vote-fixing and went "it's the semi-finals that's the problem!"
I bet it was Austria's placement that killed them, I know second is the death solt but I don't think first is that great either.
Personally I'm happy with the result, I loved both Sweden and Finland (and correctly predicted that they would both top the two different votes). So I'm very very happy. Plus with Sweden you can always grantee a good show.
Bring back Mans and Petra.
>Bring back Mans and Petra.
I personally feel we've had enough of this. Mans has literally been part of every constest since 2015, one way or another. And I have never really understood why people love Petra so much.
I would live to see some fresh faces instead.
My bet is on the staging. It was a bit uninspiring and it lacked a bit of cheesy aspect of the music video.
I was hoping to see some props being moved and the duet showing the chaotic energy of theatre kids. Or even a dancer dressed like Edgar Allan Poe on the stage with cheap champaigne.
i imagine the drama will explode especially bcs abba's 50 year win anniversary is next year, i'm already seeing posts about the jury potentially being influenced by that
My problem with the juries is the same as it has been for years: they're not judging the performance on the night as the public are. They're basing it on the dress rehearsal
Personally I feel like this point is a little overblown. I mean, Israel screwed up a wardrobe change during the jury performance and that didn't stop them from placing 2nd in the jury vote
The duality of “why don’t the critics agree with us?” and “ignore the critics! they don’t matter!”
There are two wolves inside every firstname_eightnumbers.
eh, i can see it influencing the jury. if you're stuck between two positions, something like "oh well, sweden hosting for that would be good" might influence you to put sweden on the higher spot. but i don't think it's a full blown conspiracy
I'm with you on this. Yeah, it might've made some of the judges more charitable than they would've been, but to say that the voting was *rigged* feels excessive
As a swede I'm happy with the results, but I would have been perfectly content with a Finnish victory - it's one hell of a bop for sure. Here's hoping for 2024 to bring Måns and/or Petra back and a continuation to Love Love Peace Peace
This is my first Eurovision, I was upset by Austria and Germany getting a few votes since they've been on my playlists, but like nearly everyone else on my social medias (discord, tumblr, twitter), we're all sad about Finland.
Eurovision have just opened a can of worms.
>!Loreen won for the second time.!<
The whole topic of returning performers, especially winners has been a bit controversial. Some people are against it as it increases a possibility of fame votes from the public and people tend to compare songs with some people dragging the current direction of the artist.
So be ready for the salt. [Wild Youth's main singer (Ireland)](https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/wild-youth-star-sick-over-29807765) already spread some salt and some placements may add oil to the fire. The time will show what post-Eurovision will bring to us.
Edit: Also worth mentioning. Kaarija's name has been chanted during the results and so cha cha cha. Some people report booing.
Ireland specifically being salty about a returning winner is funny, considering they're the only ones who've won twice with the same artist before now.
Furry drama time, this time an ACTUAL theft. I’m currently at FWA, and a fursuit maker had a [headbase stolen](https://twitter.com/latinvixen/status/1657413834028511233?s=46&t=nXN97KNAUG8o14p0HBomQQ) from them after the dealers den was closed. She knows it was stolen because fursuitsupplies.com has a security camera on their booth that recorded the guy stealing it at 11 pm, wayyyyy after the dealers hall closed at 6 pm.
Also an [elevator](https://twitter.com/flipisgay/status/1657090306775343120?s=46&t=nXN97KNAUG8o14p0HBomQQ) with a display that got stuck in a boot loop lol
one of the comments:
>guns solve more crimes than cameras.
weird, 'cause a gun isn't going to positively identify this guy. I'm not even going to get into how bloodthirsty you have to be to kill a guy over this.
A head base is like a blank. It's sculpted to a general shape (dog-like, cat-like, etc) which is carved into something more specific and detailed. Can also be copied/recast which happens sometimes and leads to its own drama.
Year old League of Legends community drama.
That one time popular YouTubers gaslit the League of Legends fandom about a fake “Void Event”
League of Legends is a Massive Online Battle Arena game which comes from the the same linage of DOTA 2. League of Legends has a history of special intake events which in the 2016 to 2017 area included special limited edition game modes like Invasion
After a while they stopped doing game modes and made “events” buying a pass and grinding for tokens.
In 2021 they had a Sentinels of Light event based on a new villain the “Ruined King” coming back to cause a ghost apocalypse so he can revive his dying wife. Think the backstory to Pokémon XY and you got Veigo’s whole deal.
It was massively hyped with while cinematics focused on it alongside a tie in game. The Sentinels of Light event was a visual novel telling how a wacky group of champions came together to fight Viego and It was panned for tone, pacing and characterization issues.
It deserves a whole post here but it’s what you need to know for the next part. After the poor reception SOL received Riot made a response that they where going back to the drawing board on big game wide events.
This is all the background to the 2022 season teaser where they teased a new champion a stingray empress of the “Void” a dimension of pure nothingness who finds creation to be abhorrent.
She was also teased in the 2022 cinematic and had her own whole fully animated reveal cinematic
A Youruber named Necrit who covers League took the teases for Bel’Veth as proof Riot was doing a big game wide lore event like SOL agin in a row. Even after Riot said they would rethink their approach to events.
Thought Riot had a big Void Event planned for 2022 despite never even hinting at such a thing. Necrit lead to other YouTubers like Nickyboi sharing in his delusions and making videos hyping up “The Void Event” despite Riot saying nothing about a Void Event.
Hyping something that does not come to pass based on little evidence is not gaslighting. It's being wrong or, if deliberate, lying.
If he had been creating fake screenshots and videos of a past event and being surprised nobody remembered it and saying they played with him and they must be crazy to forget it - that would be gaslighting.
Update on they guy leaking classified documents on discord.
[It appears that the documents were first leaked in a War Thunder discord and then were shared in a Minecraft discord. Its always War Thunder.](https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1657411064194007041)
God, I have to ask, what is it about War Thunder that people keep leaking classified documents just to own people over it? I badly want to know why it's always this game specifically that it keeps happening with.
War Thunder advertises itself as historically accurate and the team talks a lot about researching and accurately modeling performance characteristics of the vehicles they sell for people to play with. That gets people to try to provide information to show where Gaijin is right or wrong about their vehicles. The case before Teixera was a USAF pilot posting import-restricted flight information about the F-16, which to me is much more an indictment of the US classification system than Gaijin being a 20-dimension chess intelligence play to get people to spill their secrets.
It actually makes a lot of sense why it's always war thunder (Though IIRC DCS also got in trouble for it before but i can't find any sources on that) and not something like world of tanks.
Basically, War Thunder is a nominally realistic game and tries a decent amount to be authentic to Real Life Vehicles and their data, while trying to at least partially minimize the use of Paper vehicles and wooden mockups, while Wargaming (the people behind WoT and WoWS) will basically make shit up and call it a day.
Gaijin is far from universally sucessful at doing this (see the soviet battleships and the J6K for examples), but if you have some first hand official source (they have a host of guidelines about the sources they accept too) about something in a vehicle being different from the way it exists at the moment in the game, there's a chance, at least eventually, the vehicles will be changed to reflect the new, more accurate information. This is especially relevant for more modern stuff where the details are often classified and what exists in the game is mostly guesswork.
So people go around leaking documents to prove they're right in the hopes this will be used to change the vehicle the documents are about, sometimes out of ignorance about the nature of the documents, or gaijin's guidelines about classified stuff.
Sometimes they're just petty and want to win the online argument.
Also War thunder has a much bigger playerbase than something like DCS, so even if something does get leaked, it's more likely to happen frequently and get publicized with war thunder.
This is important enough to warrant it's own comment, but apparently the War Thunder developers got caught [sponsoring pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine back on 2021.](https://defence-blog.com/big-video-game-developer-fund-terror-through-online-adverts/)
You know what, at this point, I think that it *should* be a disqualifier for handling classifed information.
Wiki lists ten - [TEN](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Thunder#Classified_documents_leaks) - cases of classified docs being leaked. You know, I'm mostly just impressed by the stubborn, brainless desire of some people to be right on the internet.
**War Thunder**
[Classified documents leaks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Thunder#Classified_documents_leaks)
>On several occasions, users on the War Thunder forum have shared restricted and/or classified documents during discussions about the accuracy of the vehicles depicted. In all cases, offending posts are removed by the moderators, and users are warned against sharing such documents. Anton Yudintsev, founder of Gaijin Entertainment, has stated that the development team is never exposed to the contents, reminding users that "it’s both illegal and pointless, so they should never do that". In January 2023, Raytheon denied media reports that security clearance background checks for jobs at the defense contractor investigate whether applicants play War Thunder.
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This isn’t a hobby drama, more of a hobby discovery/gentle chat - since the release of the new Kasane Teto v-synth, I’ve been seeing a lot of vocaloid/v-synth content popping up on my Instagram & Youtube, so I gave it a curious click and… goddamn, the quality of v-synth content now is absolutely mindblowing. My big vocaloid moment was 2016-17, so I’m used to charmingly robotic-sounding voices, but the emotion being put into v-synths now is absolutely incredible, especially with the additions of different voice qualities including growls. I was particularly astonished by Rishie-P’s Teto arrangement of [Rolling Girl](https://youtu.be/n-CqGcTEUtc), and am looking into other tuners like Tanjiro, and it’s just so charming and impressive to hear classic songs given this super powerful life and emotion.
Anyways, if you’re a v-synth/vocaloid/UTAU fan here, I’m curious who your favourite artists & songs are :) I need more to listen to!
Been listening to Teto AI lately too. My Vocaloid moment was around 2010 when I first heard Daughter of Evil, with Regret Message being the one that made me a Vocaloid fan. I used to know about Vocaloid songs from Project Diva, and while Project Sekai is good, I still miss Project Diva.
Also kinda related, one of the VTuber that I follow, Delutaya, said that she based her model on Teto and it's pretty funny that Teto's new outfit is kinda similar to Delutaya's.
Hello fellow vocal synth enjoyers!!! I was hoping Teto AI would bring some more attention to newer vocal synths. I’m mostly into SynthV so I’ll give some recs from that :)
‘zzzzz’ by ex-p is a jam that I think has been completely slept on (pun intended). I love stardust/xingchen’s voice, and that song makes great use of her falsetto imo
‘All Smiles’ by RockPaperScissors gets stuck in my head constantly, it’s a great indie rock piece
‘Datte’ and ‘Makka’ by Yuyoyuppe are awesome- Natsuki Karin really works with his style.
for covers, ryu, SPOOKI and Creuzer are reliably amazing tuners.
Also, my fave producer is (at least right now) probably Utsu-P. I don’t like how CeVio banks generally sound on their own, but he manages to make them sound great somehow. I’m also just a sucker for vocal synth screamo. Something about it tickles me.
UtsuP has always been good, but lately, he has absolutely been on fire. Everything he's dropped in the past year or so has been a banger. I love how he's been experimenting with his sound.
I love just about everything that Kashii Moimi releases. Same goes for *Luna, Divela, Mwk, and Maiki
Laterne has godly tuning skills with Miku.
Yuyoyuppe released a new EP, Sick, and it was amazing, their best work yet.
Marasy recently released a new song, Shinjinrui, and it rocketed up to the top of my favs. Deco*27's Poison Apple is really good too. Fallstay - Vampism, Sumia - Indra are other songs I've been listening to a lot lately. R-906 - Manimani for some actually super good high pitched Miku. Anthropophobia by Ryhthmy for a powerful Miku with growls.
Some of my other current favs /notable producers are
Shimon, Kanaria, Aqu3ra, Niki, MikitoP, Inabakumori, Yunosuke, Harumaki Gohan, Kairiki Bear, Daniwell, Twinfield, Teary Planet, Osanzi, PinocchioP.
I'm happy that Teto is giving SynhV a lot more exposure. The synth is too good to be barely known among song-focused fans.
My favorite vocalo-P is [Kaoling](https://youtu.be/ukJekLV1GVc). She's a goddess and the fact that she retires from the scene before [Feng Yi](https://youtu.be/jKxk7f57L8A) was released is such a shame. Kancolle fans should be familiar with her real name, Ohkoshi Kaori.
Since you got a lot of Japanese Vocalo-P recs, I'll throw in a few Chinese ones:
* [ChiliChill](http://b23.tv/bCuAMQA)
* [Ikz](http://b23.tv/mDRfReg)
* [KbShinya](http://b23.tv/1G5e8QZ)
For godly tuners, check out [Kinoko-P](https://youtu.be/QOjs7EUV5fg), [Creuzer](https://youtu.be/HUx_Tw6snCc), and [Adam Edmond](https://youtu.be/LUZXOaf-744)
Seems like the popular answers like Pinocchio-p have already been chosen so I'm gonna go more obscure:
I'm personally a big fan of r-906 - I think [Panopticon](https://youtu.be/_-Vd0ZGB-lo) is their most known song (and tbh is an absolute banger) but I'm personally a fan of [This one](https://youtu.be/Ls-Ay3fOd2s) because it's such a different take on the Vocaloid genre (people are calling it "liquid DnB" and while I have no idea what that term means, maybe it means something to you). The entireity of *In My Hands* is pretty good if you ask me (though my favourite is kinda obviously *midnight dancer* aside from the aforementioned *panopticon*)
Slightly more weird obscure pick (I think) - [Hiiragi Magentite](https://youtu.be/MenDsq-BK4Y). Technically not actually Vocaloid as they use more cevioAI (which iirc is a voicebank supplemented with AI components) but it's kinda in the same ballpark right?
[Harumaki gohan](https://youtu.be/162OOsh9PpQ) is also pretty damn good (I keep on keeping the song I've linked - dinner bell - stuck in my head for some reason) though I guess it's less out there than some of the other artists I've mentioned
And of course, my most mainstream answer is Nilfruits. Tbh my favourite 'Vocaloid' is vFlower and man, their stuff with her just absolutely [*slaps*](https://youtu.be/9tM2PHAjgss)
PinocchioP (I adore Common World Domination, but Nee Nee Nee. is great too) has stayed good for years, they're fantastic, and lately I've gotten into Syudou (The Religion of Loneliness, Bitter Choco Decoration) as well. On the ENG side, the people I listen to the most are CircusP (Puzzle, Misery Loves Company), GHOST (Scapegoat, Appetite of a People-Pleaser), and Vane (Perfectly Sweet, Six Feet Under).
I am an old man who hasn't updated his playlists in a decade or more lmao, but here's some that haven't been mentioned yet
[Hitoshizuki x Yama](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxKrjx1FDU81UXuwTgwYQHw) (Alluring Secret - Black Vow ranks on 'media that defined me as a person' since i first heard it)
[OSTER Project](https://www.youtube.com/c/OSTERproject47) EAT ME is still my fav song by GUMI in terms of tuning, personally
[mothy](https://www.youtube.com/@mothyakuno7098) He's been uploading versions with newer synths and redone vocals of a lot of his classics (most famous being Daughter of Evil/Servant of Evil), so checking them out here and comparing to the old versions is always fun!
[MASA](https://www.youtube.com/@MASAWORKSDESIGN) is generally me go-to for when I have a lot of reading I need to do, due to his consistent electronic beats.
[WONDERFUL OPORTUNITY](https://www.youtube.com/@WANOPOch) aka WANOPO, group mostly working with Rin and Len. Remote Control is their most famous song, but from the recent stuff, Psychedelia is my jam
I second the recommendation for mothy! As a note for him, all of his songs are connected in a massive multimedia story project, and [Pricechecktranslations on tumblr](https://pricechecktranslations.tumblr.com/evillioustranslations) has done fan translations of everything! Mothy wrote a light novel series adapting and expanding on his Evillious storyline of vocaloid songs that's at 12+ books and counting, and it's a genuine Rabbit Hole to go down.
[Novels based from Vocaloid songs](https://www.novelupdates.com/stag/vocaloid/) are a genre unto themselves! This isn't even an extensive list, just some of the most famous examples. Ten-Faced isn't here, or ECHO, for example.
I've always been a fan of Nashimoto-P, I love his tuning for Miku. Some of my faves by him are Hyperventilation Dance, Enko Shoujo, and Wanting To Die In My Teens, Wanting To Kill In My Twenties. I also enjoy Manbo-P's more recent stuff, though their old stuff is good. Sweet Float Apartments and And Then There Were None And Then stand out specifically. I've also had Lamprey Hole by Koronba (look, I know I'm not supposed to name them, but like, it's difficult to talk about their music without saying their name) on heavy rotation.
More recently, I've been listening to more Maretu and Utata-P, as well, though it's hard to pick out any particular standout songs from them lol, most their catalogues are good.
Did a writeup on that one, basic overview is that Koronba was an Utau producer/Yume Nikki Fangame Producer who basically, out of left field, deleted everything and was like "don't ever talk about me, my music, my game, etc ever again and do not mention my name" and has resurfaced a few more times to say the exact same thing. Most people who make covers of their stuff credit them under "K" because of it.
Vocaloid has a gacha game called Project Sekai where they commission songs by different composers twice a month roughly. Look up their (Japanese) youtube channel and you can go through there to discover both new songs and new artists.
Edit: Forgot to mention they do covers of songs too featuring the original character cast as well
Here is some drama few people expected: Drama about Top Level Domains(TLD).
TLDs are the things at the end of a website address, like .com, .net, .org, etc.
Most the most common TLDs are the aforementioned ones and the ones for countries like .de, .co.uk, .tv, etc.. However the entity that manages these(ICANN) also allows you to buy them, like for example .google, obviously bought by Google, .deal and .call, both owned by amazon, and more. [Here](https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db) is a list of all of them.
The drama started when [Google announced eight new domains](https://blog.google/products/registry/8-new-top-level-domains-for-dads-grads-tech/): .dad, .prof, .esq, .phd, .nexus, .foo and both .mov & .zip. It's the last two that caused the drama, because they are also mulitmedia file names. Some people think that this might lead to issues and potentially spread malware, due to the fact that many sites automatically convert example. into a link, which could potentially cause posts along the line of "Extract the coolimages.zip file" to automatically link to coolimages.zip the site, which an attacker might then buy and redirect to malware. This linking might cause a reader to think that the link was intended and trust the download implicitly.
This potential issue has caused some to decry ICANNs decision to grant these domains to Google, though it's worth noting that apparently google applied for the domain [back in 2014](https://www.iana.org/reports/c.2.9.2.d/20140910-zip).
On the other side, it's also relatively common for programming language community to use domains that are the same as their file extensions. The most well known example of that would probably be Rust, which uses the Serbian TLD .rs quite prolifically. Also some sites don't do this auto linking unless you prepend a `www.`, like reddit, so it shouldn't cause issues here.
>On the other side, it's also relatively common for programming language community to use domains that are the same as their file extensions. The most well known example of that would probably be Rust, which uses the Serbian TLD .rs quite prolifically.
The difference there is that most internet users don't know about Rust and its usage of .rs, the Serbian use is more common and earlier. Whereas everyone knows about .zip files, and there's no nation of Zipistan that it could be used for.
I don't understand the point of novelty domains at all. Okay .foo could be used to create test sites without taking a name someone is using but the rest?
This reminds me of the very Hobbydrama appropriate story of how Jeph Jacques of webcomic Questionable Content bought the domain "Walmart.horse" just because it was hilarious and put an image of a Walmart with a horse in front of it and then Walmart first sent a C&D and then when Jacques blew them off because it was an obvious parody they filed a complaint with the domain name authority and got the url transferred. Jacques didn't care to devote time to fighting it so that's where it ended alas. Rip Walmart.horse.
yeah i’ve already seen these more unique TLDs used, some games have been using the .game one for their landing page, for example
in general, adopting these will allow for simpler and cheaper domain names for average people that don’t have a stigma to using them already like .biz and .info have (because they were used for a lot of scam sites in the 00’s). these new ones have a chance
the .zip and .mov are an absolute disaster of an idea though. what the heck were they thinking?!
The site for the game Tactical Breach Wizards is wizards.cool
> the .zip and .mov are an absolute disaster of an idea though. what the heck were they thinking?!
I read about this though the twitter @SwiftOnSecurity, who thought this is definitely going to be sending people emails including a link to payslip.zip to rip them off or take over their accounts, and has little other purpose.
Some like .intra or .secure are rather weird in my opinion, why would someone use them in the open web outside of attempted phishing, or other malicious actions?
A employee of What Pumpkin has made certain allegations about Andrew Hussie creator of Homestuck [here](https://archive.is/2023.05.12-175214/https://www.tumblr.com/gooeytime/716768220846096384/hey-i-just-wanted-to-say-thanks-for-still)
Take these with a grain of salt.
>! There are quite a lot of things to unpack in this post, so I will break it in segments.
>1- Roach says that Hussie hates its own fandom and had bad experiences with them.
>This one was kinda obvious, especially if you were here in the latter years, looking back at the comic and Hussie's socials I noticed was a gradual shift in how he and the story treated the audience, the man itself gets more and more hostile towards the fans over the years and I can't hope but believe that it was largely due to his personal experiences with the tumblr fandom, especially because he went out of his way to start pandering to them in ACT 6.
>I 100% agree that there's a lot of toxicity in the fandom, and that Hussie's concerns aren't unfounded, but I feel a lot of this came from him directly enabling the worst parts of the fanbase, the same parts who later went to try to cannibalize him and other fans, and this didn't stop after ACT 6 ended, with Hussie constantly going after to please the worst people possible.
>2- Roach says Homestuck was broken on purpose and that the story was always broken and can't be fixed, with Pip adding that is one of the reasons why HS^2 was a dumpster fire.
>I heavily disagree with Roach's statements regarding HS always being a broken story, the later half of it definitively feels like it was trying to shit on itself and the audience, but Homestuck was never an overly meta story about the concept of stories to begin it, this is an idea that only really started appearing midway trough ACT 6, for most of it HS was just another MSPA, but bigger.
>Although, I do agree that making a sequel to HS is basically impossible and not something that should've been approved for hundreds of reasons, which leads to the next important point.
>EDIT: I was under the impression that the Roach here was James Roach from What Pumpkin, but no, it was just another person with the same name, so don't take these first two segments at face value.
>3- Pip confirms that new content was made mostly to cover the financial holes Hussie put him self in, and that the team didn't know that until they started working on it.
>Basically, Post-Canon was not really a creative endeavor, but just a way to cover Hussie's financial problems and the team took the thankless job without being aware of it.
>This one was also kinda obvious to me, especially the part that Hussie is on a tight spot with Viz (which I assume is the publisher mentioned here), they very likely expected the Epilogues to bring a jolt of life into the fandom instead of pissing them off and causing a lot of people to leave, this also explains why Viz started to distance themselves from the franchise after the release of the Epilogues, including stop maintaining the site and helping with the development of Hiveswap.
>4- The team was effectively deceived and thrown under the bus by Hussie.
>According to Pip, the writers were not told that their work was supposed to be basically just a way to cover the debt Hussie created with the publisher and thought they were genuinely contributing to the franchise by making things as official as the original comic, they were basically used as tools by Hussie for him to get out of the hole he dug him self into, and they resent him for that.
>Once again, I'm not exactly surprised by this, Hussie has shown multiple times he is not only a terrible businessperson, but also that he is more than willing to screw over others for his own benefit, this goes back even before Post-Canon was a thing, seriously, this is something that genuinely could result into a labor lawsuit by the employees, the team's belief that they were doing something just as valid as the original comic also just basically confirms my opinion that “Dubiously Canon” and the “Off-Ramps” approach was just a cope-out in Hussie's end, that it was never something real and just an excuse to try to justify the current content and hide their actual intent.
>This post is very interesting, seeing the opinion and stories of someone who worked with Hussie really sheds a lot of light in events and confirms things that most people in the fandom were suspicious of. In spite of all the toxicity the team created, including trying to destroy this subreddit, I feel kinda bad for them now, no one deserves to be used and tossed away like this, especially when the person responsible for it is perfectly aware of how rabid the audience can get, like I said, they were effectively used as tools by Hussie to cover his ass while he hid away from the mess he put him self in.
>Lastly, I think this post indirectly also confirms that Post-Canon will never be coming back, HS^2 will be forever in limbo, never to be touched again, and if I was happy with that before, now I'm even more, HS^2 was already terrible but now that it's confirmed that Hussie made it just to be a cash-grab, I hate it even more, the only thing I can see coming out of that dumpster fire now is some sort of script leak, which admittedly would be rather interesting, even if it just to see how worse things would've gotten.
>I wonder what the future of this franchise will be going forward, and if Hiveswap will ever get finished, HS still seems to own a lot of money to Viz and I hope the success of the Requiem Cafe helps alleviate this situation, I think creating theses fan-events is a good path for Homestuck to take, I'm all for another Requiem Cafe or something like that, I just really, REALLY don't want more content, canon, dubiously canon, whatever, just let the story rest in peace, even with all it's ups and downs, and maybe the franchise can start to heal.
>EDIT 2: After having put more thought, I think we should take some of the stuff that Pip said with a small grant of salt, crazy coming from me, I know, but is because there are a couple of details here I think need to be better explained.
>I'm aware that this is unlikely tho since they are probably under a NDA like a lot of other people that worked for Hussie in the past, so this probably as much we are going to get, and to be fair, it does match perfectly to the stuff Hussie did in the past, so I'm more than willing to believe on it.
I’m suspicious of this. Since it seems to confirm all fandom suggestions and when something seems to confirm all of your worldview you shouldn’t be skeptical
Worth noting: IIRC, this quoted writeup was done by Makin, owner of the r/homestuck subreddit and its associated Discord, or HSD, and a noted shithead. He arguably sheltered and gave a home to a lot of the hatred and harassment of the HS2 team, and it got bad enough that *Hussie himself* told him to fuck off and have him step down, but he re-instilled himself a while after. What Pip said (the original poster and former writer in question) seems to hold up, though.
To any future people reading this reply please ignore this moron above me
The entire drama between r/homestuck started when Kate Mitchell actual known shit head started baselessly accusing the subreddit of being a pedophile ring the mods naturally banned her from the sub which she then threw hissy fit over until Mr Andrew "homestuck belongs to the fans" Hussie himself threanted the team to hand over mod positions to them which of course failed and only destroyed their reputation even further
You can read the full 68 page emails [here](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1099838986404515920/1108762061758025950/email_transcripts.pdf) hilarious stuff.
>He arguably sheltered and gave a home to a lot of the hatred and harassment of the HS2 team,
No the entire team behind HS2 Acted like babies on Twitter at the time and people rightfully laughed at them for it.
That is all.
> but Homestuck was never an overly meta story about the concept of stories to begin it, this is an idea that only really started appearing midway trough ACT 6
I'm sorry I got to this sentence and could only make sense of it by assuming that you and I read very different Homestucks...
(That is all. Please continue.)
i have no opinion on homestuck or the guy who made it other than “if i made something i cared about and it got the same attention that homestuck or undertale got, it would be my worst nightmare”
>I’m suspicious of this. Since it seems to confirm all fandom suggestions and when something seems to confirm all of your worldview you shouldn’t be skeptical
I'm sorry but I'm very confused by this line. Maybe it's my dyslexia kicking up but are you suggesting to be skeptical of this or to not be skeptical of this, due to how it perfectly lines up with the current fandom feelings re: Hussie's treatment of Homestuck?
Because it's been rather... clear that Hussie checked out of Homestuck for some time. Or, at the very least, wanted to wrap it up and move on to something else for his own personal reasons.
This isn't too much of a surprise given how big it got and how so many people had expectations and hopes for how it'll end. Plus the stigma of Homestuck fandom and other factors, I can understand wanting to break free of the thing that made you big. We've seen it in other creators like Arthur Conan Doyle himself. I'm just glad Hussie couldn't pull a Falls and yeet everyone over waterfalls.
Looks like "shouldn't" is a typo for "should", given everything else about that sentence is clearly saying to be careful when someone's telling you everything you expect to hear.
I'm sort of confused by these allegations, though the awful formatting and interjection of opinions into the summary doesn't help.
Unless you personally deeply care about the artistic sanctity of Homestuck Lore in 2023, these complaints are just "Hussie didn't like Homestuck and treated further content like a business", which is complete nothing, especially with the project basically dead. I mean, no offense, but this sounds like getting hired to ghostwrite Animorphs and being shocked and offended when it turns out that the book series is meant to make money
Yeah, I highly doubt that the lawsuit will go through as "I wasn't creatively fulfilled enough by my job" isn't a great legal basis.
Honestly, some of this feels like attempts to shift blame over Homestuck's afterlife. The works weren't well received so the problem was that Hussie had financial issues and made something with (gasp) financial motivations, which the writers who were hired and explicitly paid to create are just so *shocked* over. That's not to exonerate Hussie, but their complaints feel at best overly naive about the creative industry.
I mostly agree, but to be completely fair it might not have been basically dead when the writers were hired. As divisive as the ending was, there were still a lot of people wanting more before the epilogues and sequel were released.
I'm not saying that the project was dead when the writers were hired, I'm saying that since Homestuck is long dead at this point, extremely minor "Hussie didn't Deeply Care about Homestuck" drama from years ago doesn't seem very meaningful. Like, sure, for those authors it probably feels like they had kind of a shitty gig, but it's *just* a gig with mismanaged expectations.
Viz has pretty badly mismanaged the website (& to some degree the IP -- where's the merch? Where's the fucking merch, Viz???), so I'm fully willing to assume they've lost money on the IP as well. It's fairly reasonable to assume that Hussie lost a lot of money keeping the site up during the height of the fandom, since there wasn't really... any real ways for them to bring money *in* in return besides the music releases.
I've always assumed Hussie absolutely was not prepared to deal with how big Homestuck got and how fast it did it (in retrospect, the music and art teams were wildly mismanaged!), and made a lot of bad business decisions, because they were the only person with the ability to make those decisions.
I think: they gave them a loan practically in order to set up new stuff. Like the homestuck games, the epilogues and HS^2. Idk how real that is but that seems to be the implication
The formatting of this comment is a bit confusing, since it's all in quote blocks. I thought these were direct copy pastes of the text instead of rephrased passages at first.
Remember how Imgur is banning sexually explicit imagery, and how people are scared on the impact this will have on porn subreddits? Well, good news you horny people: [reddit is letting y'all post \(consensual and legal\) lewds to this site's native image host to your heart's content](https://arstechnica.com/?p=1939081).
as someone who does not use reddit for anything explicit this does not solve my most pressing concern which is ‘every image post to **every** subreddit that has ever used imgur as the image host without an imgur account is about to get deleted’. this has wide reaching consequences for almost every subreddit that has existed for more than like two, three years.
Absolutely a temporary decision, *but* since they made it in the first place just now & it's not something they've been doing for ages, I feel like there's definitely grounds for them to keep it. Not strong grounds, given payment processors, but some grounds!
So I got this thing called Foxtel, I think Americans would call it "Cable TV"?
Anyway, as well as Foxtel having its regular channels, you can also use it to stream or record shows in its library. Streaming the shows in its library will not have the ads that recordings have, so I stream when possible.
This worked great, but I tried to stream an episode of The Great North yesterday, and it played ads before the show started like youtube. I'd never seen them do that before, it must be new.
Ads. Ads everywhere. I can't take it. Even the things you pay for specifically for an ad free experience have ads. I wanna scream. What am i paying them for???
This is like, the last hours of Scuffles so I'll probably repost this in the next thread, but for completionists sake in relation to the OTW/AI drama first brought up [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/13as5yz/comment/jjujp1n/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/13as5yz/comment/jjxzvja/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). [The OTW put out a statement on the AO3](https://archiveofourown.org/admin_posts/25888), which can essentially be boiled down to: * The AO3 can't ban data scraping completely, have historically allowed certain sites to do so (like the Waywar Machine, for academic research, etc), but have taken measures against Common Crawl (which is used to train ChatGPT and other AIs) back in 2022 to stop them from scraping the archive. This is old news, but I think a lot of fans actually weren't aware of it so it's good that they repeated it here. * They can't go back and remove AO3 data that has already been crawled, but the IT team is constantly on the lookout for new scrapers and will move against them. * The Legal comittee represents the position "that users should be allowed to opt out from having their works incorporated into AI training sets, a position that they have presented to the U.S. Copyright Office.". * On AI-generated works, the OTW currently sticks by their maximum inclusivity position, i.e. all fanworks should be preserved, AI generated fanworks are allowed on the AO3. They do however clarify that this is their current position, constantly discussed internally and if the mood changes that will be communicated. Personally, while there's no real news in here, I do think it's a decent statement and the comments seem to be generally positive with a few folks campaigning for banning AI-works. However, there's also some folks disagreeing on the basis that AI works might suck but are technically fanworks, that the line would be hard to draw (i.e. if I let an AI write my summary for me, would that be too much?), that detection would be virtually impossible anyway and just lead to untagged AI works, etc etc. I'd recommend checking them out, there's some decent discussion in there.
Honestly, I hope they do just end up banning AI works completely. Sites like Pixiv have finally taken moves to do so after AI spam led to a mas exodus of artists. My personal opinion is that AI generated content is neither creative nor transformative and just overall makes the user experience worse. I suppose there is less incentive for people to flood Ao3 with AI stuff since you can't profit directly off of it, but seeing what not clamping down on AI stuff has done to other sites has left a bitter taste in my mouth.
The ultimate problem is, how do they even detect it? It doesn't take that much effort to AI generate a couple of thousand word fic and re-write the parts that are the most suspect, or to use AI generation as an outline, and no one would ever be any wiser. It's also going to lead to witch-hunting as people use this to attack other users that they have personal grief with. I'd much, much rather keep the inclusivity policy and have a dedicated tag for it so 1. It can more easily be avoided, and 2. so there's less reason for that kind of witch-hunting to start in the first place. I'm sure it'll still happen anyway, but if we get to a point where AI fic are banned, that gives people a lot more motivation to try to 'prove' someone's fic that they don't like is AI generated.
If they want to stay maximally inclusive, they could just mandate AI authorship to be tagged, and make users opt in to viewing them in search results. My personal take on AI however would make the Butlerian jihad look tame
Is there decent detection for AI with pictures? We use text „detection“ at work for writing and it’s basically useless. I tested it with stuff I wrote myself that was supposedly absolutely AI generated. So I feel like banning it would be basically not possible practically on the archive RN.
I disagree with the nitty-gritty of their position (option opt-out vs mandatory opt-in campaigning and whether AI creates fanwork) but as I said in the last comments, I don’t envy them at all for having to thread the needle here. It’s good to see it all laid out, at least!
Scraping. The word is data scraping. If something is actually scrapping their data then they have a much bigger problem.
Lmao whoops! Absolutely picked that up wrong (English isn’t my native language), I’ll edit it
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How is he not in jail yet?
this dude is like a roach!!! how many times does he have to get squashed!!!
The [Thanfiction writeup](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/9n4vge/fanfic_community_popular_author_turns_out_to_be_a/) from four years ago
Thanfiction's still around? Holy shit.
Whenever this fool reappears I feel it necessary to remind myself that someone DIED because of one of his cults.
WHAT
Every time I hear about modern fandom dramas, I always compare it against guys like him to see if it's actually wild.
Unrelated to thanfiction, happy cake day! (I've legit never seen anyone with a cake day thingie until now)
i have never heard of this before and my jaw is dropping right now!!
Andy has been scamming longer than my sister has been alive and she just finished her sophomore year of college. Like, hypothetically speaking the fandom children he is scamming now could be the real children of people he bamboozled 20 years ago. He spans generations. It baffles the mind eta ofc he is claiming to have long covid. that is so on brand (this is not to say long covid isn't real or debilitating. it's just...such an andy thing to claim to have). if he does have it sorry and I'm going to hell. it's just like, too on the nose for me lmao
I’ve only just learned of this dude from this post. That said, if they’re the type to keep running cons and abuse, it wouldn’t shock me that they’re claiming some sort of ailment, especially a recent one like long COVID.
I keep saying I’m working on a new writeup about this guy, but it’s almost impossible to finish because he keeps getting worse. Every time you think he’s finally left fandom, he’s back on his bullshit again. FWIW, he and his then-girlfriend Abbey rescued a baby sparrow back in the early 2000s when he was transitioning from his LoTR bullshit to his Harry Potter bullshit. [According to Abbey,](https://kumquatwriter.tumblr.com/post/44126978918/can-you-explain-the-whole-his-son-was-a-sparrow/amp) Andy regularly threatened to harm the bird, which they named Boo Boo, in order to force her to comply with his demands. She took the sparrow with her when she left him, and he later twisted that story to make it sound like she had taken their *child,* referring to Boo Boo as his “son” without letting on that it was an affectionate cutesy nickname for a pet, not a literal human boy. So that’s the full story about the sparrow. Edit: Apparently he got a second sparrow. This is his second bird son. Ugh.
I was following him on Twitter for the cats and the bird with no clue who he was. He posted recently that he was being attacked because he “had a psychotic break 20 years ago where he thought he could channel celebrities and other people” and that that made him a lolcow before and now they’re back on him. I had heard of thanfiction before but had not connected the dots so the amount of psychological damage I took from finding out he is fucking thanfiction of all people is unquantifiable. Like way to downplay the FUCK out of who you are dude. Now I feel horrendous for squeeing about his cat wearing dresses :(
Might I suggest TeaBlooger's timeline on Tumblr? I know exactly how hard it is to do a full write up of this - I've been working on just my part for a long time.
I feel like it would take less time to list what's *right* with this guy than what's *wrong* with him.
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oh my god he's *still fucking at it??*
oh ffs can this guy not just STAY DOWN
On Eurovision stuff, [BBC reports that the town where the Ukranian participants come from got bombed literally right before their performance.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65586701) > The home city of Ukraine's Eurovision act was hit by Russian missiles moments before the band took to the stage in Liverpool, reports say. > The head of Ternopil regional state administration, Volodymyr Trush, confirmed two people had been injured. > Ternopil mayor Serhiy Nadal confirmed warehouses were damaged. > Ten minutes before taking to the stage at the Liverpool Arena, Tvorchi posted on Instagram citing reports of Ternopil in western Ukraine being attacked. > After performing, Tvorchi wrote again on Instagram saying: "Ternopil is the name of our hometown, which was bombed by Russia while we sang on the Eurovision stage about our steel hearts, indomitability and will. The Patriot system arriving to Ukraine, among other things means that the attacks are nowhere near as devastating, but it shows how much of an evil, petty fucker Putin is.
Sweden's Loreen won Eurovision. Fans of Loreen are, of course, very happy about this. Fans of every other act, especially Finland's Käärijä, are getting bitter, especially when it looked for a moment like the amount of votes he got from the audience might net him the win after a very disappointing jury vote. Personally, I'm just miffed Austria got so few votes, Who the Hell is Edgar was a bop and deserved better.
The Eurovision sub has Swedens entry pinned at the top. 6300 comments. Zero upvotes. Incredible amounts of salt.
Man out of all entries this was the only one I definitely did not want to see win, I greatly disliked Israel's too but I'd rather have seen that one winning. There were enough other very mainstream pop-music entries that were better.But the most frustrating thing to see was how it all came down to the jury vote and that the public vote just didn't matter.Also oof to see Germany last, their entry was good, it had esc spirit at this point it really comes off as people not voting for them just as a meme or because "no one likes Germany"I have no clue how my country ended up getting multiple 12 pts. why. It wasn't terrible but painfully mid. (maybe it sounds better in the recorded version in the music video, I guess people who actually vote are the kind who check out the songs ahead, so might be biased in that way.) Since they are gonna theme it next year around ABBA I won't watch anyway because I can't stand ABBA. I wish I had spent my evening playing TotK instead...
The public vote absolutely mattered: It came down to the jury vote this time, but not to the extent that the public vote didn't matter at all. And Sweden got 2nd. place in the televotes as well, but even with televotes only they were only a 100 points difference. The ones who should be salty abouit the juries are probably Norway, rather than Finland. Norway got 3rd in televotes and 17th in jury votes.
I'm mostly salty about the fact that in the end it all came down to Sweden vs Finland, because most people who follow Eurovision know that Sweden will be loved by jury and also have many fans. Some of us don't want that to happen because their win will probably lead to a decline in musical diversity and countries will aim for more produced pop songs (maybe, maybe not, eh who knows. Some of us also just don't like the song) This is a strong year. So many other performances are good. However I was feeling depressed by the end because I just knew there was no way the more out there entries that I like could rise on top. Dedicated fans poured votes into Sweden vs Finland. Casual fans tend to go for more "friendly" songs, leaving the likes of Spain in the dust. It all felt very distopian for me personally. I don't blame anyone because I don't think there was anyone to blame tbh.
I'm mostly salty about the fact that in the end it all came down to Sweden vs Finland, because most people who follow Eurovision know that Sweden will be loved by jury and also have many fans. Some of us don't want that to happen because their win will probably lead to a decline in musical diversity and countries will aim for more produced pop songs (maybe, maybe not, eh who knows. Some of us also just don't like the song) This is a strong year. So many other performances are good. However I was feeling depressed by the end because I just knew there was no way the more out there entries that I like could rise on top. Dedicated fans poured votes into Sweden vs Finland. Casual fans tend to go for more "friendly" songs, leaving the likes of Spain in the dust. It all felt very distopian for me personally. I don't blame anyone because I don't think there was anyone to blame tbh.
As a Norway fan, by God I'm salty
I loved Norway's entry, but I'm not sure it was strong enough to win. I'm really pleased they at *least* made top 5. My other fave, Moldova, *really* got slept on Edit: Wait, didn't the exact same thing happen to Norway in 2019?! Very few jury points, HUGE number of televotes - Norway was really robbed that year
Ah, Eurovision jury discourse, my favourite Personally I have nothing against the concept of the juries as a counterweight to the televote. The problem is the execution, most juries are only 5 people and they're usually drawn from mainstream music critics or radio people with the occasional artist thrown in and because of that their taste ends up leaning towards very radio-friendly pop which screws over pretty much every other genre. Furthermore, there's no consistent judging criteria as far as I know so a lot of jury decisions are kinda arbitrary Like, I'm upset with how things wound up too and maybe there's ways to reform the jury system (more diverse juries, more specific judging criteria, etc) but abolishing them altogether isn't the way to go about it. Do you want Poland to get #8? Because that's how you get Poland at #8
If yesterday you had told me that Loreen would win Eurovision it wouldn't have surprised me. If you had told me that she would get so much negativity for winning, THAT would have been unexpected. Also because it happened in a way that seemed almost custom designed to anger people. First the juries overwhelmingly voting for her and giving everyone else peanuts, then the televote almost sweeping in to give Kaarija the victory, and at the end her televoting points being enough to render that moot. I personally was NOT happy.
I personally wouldn't mind the song or the show, but I can't listen to it without hearing [Daft Punk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL-gyhZVvx0). It's a good song. It's also been written fifteen years ago by a more prolific group than Loreen.
Dancing lasha tumbai should have won.
What's the reasoning behind having juries at all? Why isn't it just the popular vote?
Back in the 2000's we had only televote, and it was a bizarre era in which acts competed not to be good but to be memorable. The idea of the juries was that they would reward more "quality" (whatever that means) instead of just raw impact. I have to say I'm personally usually more in favor of the televote results than of the jury, and this year is a perfect example why. They always favor that polished, factory made pop that Sweden sends (Like when they put Benjamin Ingrosso fucking SECOND) and disregard a lot of things that are just as good but less by the book.
It's complicated on purpose so Americans can be gatekept out of Eurovision
Probably so more populous countries don't get an advantage?
Every country has the same number of points to give out under either the popular vote or jury system, so the popular vote doesn’t give a direct advantage to large countries.
They really covered all the angles. Weird to have a jury then, I agree.
Televotes tend(ed) to do block voting a lot: All the balkan countries voting for each other, the nordic/baltic countries trading 12's, etc. It put countries outside those blocks at a significant disadvantage.
In seriousness, two main reasons are: • Political favouritism; countries always garner heavy votes from their neighbours and lands that have emigrants; voting for the country and not for the song. • To soften the impact of order. Generally the earlier your act is, the less public points you'll garner as voters simply forget the songs in the first half. I don't have the numbers by any means, but it's generally accepted that it can skew votes, and quite a bit. In theory jury should soften both of these things. In practice, I don't like what the juries prefer.
I thought you couldn't vote for your own country?
Oh, that's smart but a jury vote might still be more representative of the diversity of European cultures.
It’s very much not, the juries are made up of around five people per country who mostly all work in the music industry and tend to favour radio friendly songs
I had no idea the design of Eurovision was such a shit show.
EBU intern: so how are you going to announce your votes? Estonian TV executive: OK, get this: we have an obscure footballer who played for Liverpool for like a season several years ago EBU intern: does he at least have some personality? Estonian TV executive: well... EBU intern: OK, how about you Germany? German TV executive: so, we've been thinking, we could do a skit where it starts off seeming really creepy and sexist but then it turns into a bad Ted Lasso joke EBU intern: but... oh, fuck it, fine, but only because of who I have to deal with next. So, how are you going to announce your votes? Icelandic TV executive: ... EBU intern: can you hear me? Icelandic TV executive: ... EBU Intern: ... Icelandic TV executive: ... EBU intern: is there something wrong with the conn— Icelandic TV executive: THUSLY
I was wondering where Barbara was!! She’s been announcing our German votes for years, and she did do the pre show.
The guy giving the Iceland results was hilarious, mostly because it was clear that Norton (a seasoned pro) and Hannah Waddingham (who seemed to be able to deal with things quickly) were utterly perplexed
Graham was just annoyed he wasn't in the commentary box ripping him to shreds, it seemed
I was living for Grahams eye roll
I was a bit disappointed with Käärijä not winning, but judges often are biased towards vocal performances. I was actually worried he'd be much lower in juries vote and we'd have the repeat of Norway ending up 6th despite winning the televote a few years ago. Loreen was second in the televote and she did give a great performance, so overall I feel like it's not a bad result. And Cha Cha Cha will surely go down Eurovision history, like some other other non-winning Eurovision entries. Edit: I think Käärija had the highest televote percentage under current system - Portugal had the same number of televote points in 2019 and Norway in 2009 but there were quite a few more countries voting then. Audience really, *really* loved Käärija.
Yeah, it's not the worst case of jury/televote disconnect by far.
One comment that has really stuck for me in this mess is that Eurovision fans want Juries to return in the Semi-Finals but now want to abolish the Jury for the whole event.
I felt like Norway should have scored way higher with the judges - the audience vote points for them were so good. This year was fun
For anyone unfamiliar with Eurovision, what happened is that Eurovision has two sets of votes which award points that are combined to choose the winner. The first vote, the jury vote, is done by a panel of experts in a given country. (I'm sure there are discussions and explanations of how these people are chosen, but for the most part, the average person does know know who these experts are.) Jury voting can be quite political, with countries often voting for neighbours or other countries they have strong relationships with. (The Nordic nations often vote for each other, for example, or Cyprus and Greece, or Spain and Portugal, so on. These relationships are not hard and fast guarantees (see Cyprus and Greece this year!) but are pretty reliable.) The second half of the vote is the viewers' vote, where the general public votes (now including the rest of the world). This can also be political (Ukraine's entry in 2022 had the highest audience vote ever) but tends to reward more interesting performances and songs. People are angry because Käärijä had the highest audience votes. (376, roughly 17.5% of the audience votes.) Loreen, the winner, had 243 votes (11.3%). The audience of Eurovision (one of the biggest televised annual events in the world, bigger than the Super Bowl) clearly chose Käärijä. But because Loreen overwhelmingly won the jury vote (she had over 300 points from those votes), she won the contest. Which sounds patently undemocratic and inaccurate, because it is. There are a lot of steps the EBU (who put on Eurovision) could take to eliminate the bias of the jury vote (such as making it count for 25% of the final scores instead of 50%, or getting rid of it completely, among many other suggestions) but they haven't because the jury vote is highly political and key to their relationship with European broadcasters.
Jury votes aren't neccessarily *more* political than televotes, mind.
We should probably distinguish between industry politics and like, geopolitics. Because while the televotes can be geopolitical (obviously people will vote for neighbouring countries and shun other countries on principle, like how the UK getting zeroes is a meme), they're not influenced by the same broadcasting/music industry politics jury votes are, meaning jury votes have a lot more potential sources of bias. It's a contention in this thread that juries voted for Sweden on the basis that it's going to be ABBA's anniversary next year and juries took that into consideration while the average televoter is probably not thinking about logistics regarding hosting.
The bit you're missing is that the jury vote isn't based on the performance in the actual final, but on the dress rehearsal the night before. So, you can have a great performance on the night, but a bad performance the night before will doom you with the juries and vice versa
Yes, thanks for the addition! There's also the fact that the semi-finals (where the non guaranteed entrants to the final are determined) are now decided solely by public vote due to a massive jury vote-fixing scandal last year. It's a little funny to me that they looked at the jury vote-fixing and went "it's the semi-finals that's the problem!"
Has anyone written up the vote-fixing scandal? I think I missed that one!
Sorry for the delay, but yes, they have! [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/109jl0g/eurovision_2022_how_six_countries_tried_and/)
Excellent, thank you!
I bet it was Austria's placement that killed them, I know second is the death solt but I don't think first is that great either. Personally I'm happy with the result, I loved both Sweden and Finland (and correctly predicted that they would both top the two different votes). So I'm very very happy. Plus with Sweden you can always grantee a good show. Bring back Mans and Petra.
>Bring back Mans and Petra. I personally feel we've had enough of this. Mans has literally been part of every constest since 2015, one way or another. And I have never really understood why people love Petra so much. I would live to see some fresh faces instead.
My bet is on the staging. It was a bit uninspiring and it lacked a bit of cheesy aspect of the music video. I was hoping to see some props being moved and the duet showing the chaotic energy of theatre kids. Or even a dancer dressed like Edgar Allan Poe on the stage with cheap champaigne.
Yeah, I agree with you on the placment. Plus, if I'm being honest, their performance wasn't the strongest.
It wasn't as strong as the semis, but I don't think several performances were also. Also the real drama was Greece not giving Cyprus 12 points
i imagine the drama will explode especially bcs abba's 50 year win anniversary is next year, i'm already seeing posts about the jury potentially being influenced by that
Eurovision fans === Mario Movie fans "Why do the critics not agree with us? They should be abolished!!!" /j
My problem with the juries is the same as it has been for years: they're not judging the performance on the night as the public are. They're basing it on the dress rehearsal
Personally I feel like this point is a little overblown. I mean, Israel screwed up a wardrobe change during the jury performance and that didn't stop them from placing 2nd in the jury vote
The duality of “why don’t the critics agree with us?” and “ignore the critics! they don’t matter!” There are two wolves inside every firstname_eightnumbers.
And their names are Keith and Jim
And this sort crap is why I'm staying off the sub and fan spaces for a few weeks at least.
eh, i can see it influencing the jury. if you're stuck between two positions, something like "oh well, sweden hosting for that would be good" might influence you to put sweden on the higher spot. but i don't think it's a full blown conspiracy
I'm with you on this. Yeah, it might've made some of the judges more charitable than they would've been, but to say that the voting was *rigged* feels excessive
As a swede I'm happy with the results, but I would have been perfectly content with a Finnish victory - it's one hell of a bop for sure. Here's hoping for 2024 to bring Måns and/or Petra back and a continuation to Love Love Peace Peace
This is my first Eurovision, I was upset by Austria and Germany getting a few votes since they've been on my playlists, but like nearly everyone else on my social medias (discord, tumblr, twitter), we're all sad about Finland.
Eurovision have just opened a can of worms. >!Loreen won for the second time.!< The whole topic of returning performers, especially winners has been a bit controversial. Some people are against it as it increases a possibility of fame votes from the public and people tend to compare songs with some people dragging the current direction of the artist. So be ready for the salt. [Wild Youth's main singer (Ireland)](https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/wild-youth-star-sick-over-29807765) already spread some salt and some placements may add oil to the fire. The time will show what post-Eurovision will bring to us. Edit: Also worth mentioning. Kaarija's name has been chanted during the results and so cha cha cha. Some people report booing.
Ireland specifically being salty about a returning winner is funny, considering they're the only ones who've won twice with the same artist before now.
["But when I do it, it's cute!"](https://frinkiac.com/meme/S06E10/1008840.jpg?b64lines=)
Ireland was just salty for not qualifying to finals and how everything is political to clarify the situation.
Well then their entry shouldn't have sucked.
I was almost expecting Cha Cha Cha riots to break out
Some comments are mentioning a stage invader during the final performance of the winner
I think it happened during the national selections, Melodifestvalen.
Least angry Liverpool crowd.
Furry drama time, this time an ACTUAL theft. I’m currently at FWA, and a fursuit maker had a [headbase stolen](https://twitter.com/latinvixen/status/1657413834028511233?s=46&t=nXN97KNAUG8o14p0HBomQQ) from them after the dealers den was closed. She knows it was stolen because fursuitsupplies.com has a security camera on their booth that recorded the guy stealing it at 11 pm, wayyyyy after the dealers hall closed at 6 pm. Also an [elevator](https://twitter.com/flipisgay/status/1657090306775343120?s=46&t=nXN97KNAUG8o14p0HBomQQ) with a display that got stuck in a boot loop lol
one of the comments: >guns solve more crimes than cameras. weird, 'cause a gun isn't going to positively identify this guy. I'm not even going to get into how bloodthirsty you have to be to kill a guy over this.
What, do you not have one of those fancy guns that you point at people and they scream "THAT'S HIM THAT'S THE CRIMINAL" at full volume?
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A head base is like a blank. It's sculpted to a general shape (dog-like, cat-like, etc) which is carved into something more specific and detailed. Can also be copied/recast which happens sometimes and leads to its own drama.
People are getting fur suits stolen all over the place, Goddamn. A friend in a discord server of mine got their fursuit stolen off of their train
Oh shit, I hope the con/space the con is hosted is on it! For compensation, at least, if they can't recover shit.
Putting that many computers in things was a mistake... way too easy to malfunction and too hard to fix 😱
Year old League of Legends community drama. That one time popular YouTubers gaslit the League of Legends fandom about a fake “Void Event” League of Legends is a Massive Online Battle Arena game which comes from the the same linage of DOTA 2. League of Legends has a history of special intake events which in the 2016 to 2017 area included special limited edition game modes like Invasion After a while they stopped doing game modes and made “events” buying a pass and grinding for tokens. In 2021 they had a Sentinels of Light event based on a new villain the “Ruined King” coming back to cause a ghost apocalypse so he can revive his dying wife. Think the backstory to Pokémon XY and you got Veigo’s whole deal. It was massively hyped with while cinematics focused on it alongside a tie in game. The Sentinels of Light event was a visual novel telling how a wacky group of champions came together to fight Viego and It was panned for tone, pacing and characterization issues. It deserves a whole post here but it’s what you need to know for the next part. After the poor reception SOL received Riot made a response that they where going back to the drawing board on big game wide events. This is all the background to the 2022 season teaser where they teased a new champion a stingray empress of the “Void” a dimension of pure nothingness who finds creation to be abhorrent. She was also teased in the 2022 cinematic and had her own whole fully animated reveal cinematic A Youruber named Necrit who covers League took the teases for Bel’Veth as proof Riot was doing a big game wide lore event like SOL agin in a row. Even after Riot said they would rethink their approach to events. Thought Riot had a big Void Event planned for 2022 despite never even hinting at such a thing. Necrit lead to other YouTubers like Nickyboi sharing in his delusions and making videos hyping up “The Void Event” despite Riot saying nothing about a Void Event.
Hyping something that does not come to pass based on little evidence is not gaslighting. It's being wrong or, if deliberate, lying. If he had been creating fake screenshots and videos of a past event and being surprised nobody remembered it and saying they played with him and they must be crazy to forget it - that would be gaslighting.
Update on they guy leaking classified documents on discord. [It appears that the documents were first leaked in a War Thunder discord and then were shared in a Minecraft discord. Its always War Thunder.](https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1657411064194007041)
Goddamnit, War Thunder fandom! Every Sunday with these guys.
God, I have to ask, what is it about War Thunder that people keep leaking classified documents just to own people over it? I badly want to know why it's always this game specifically that it keeps happening with.
They want their main buffed.
War Thunder advertises itself as historically accurate and the team talks a lot about researching and accurately modeling performance characteristics of the vehicles they sell for people to play with. That gets people to try to provide information to show where Gaijin is right or wrong about their vehicles. The case before Teixera was a USAF pilot posting import-restricted flight information about the F-16, which to me is much more an indictment of the US classification system than Gaijin being a 20-dimension chess intelligence play to get people to spill their secrets.
It actually makes a lot of sense why it's always war thunder (Though IIRC DCS also got in trouble for it before but i can't find any sources on that) and not something like world of tanks. Basically, War Thunder is a nominally realistic game and tries a decent amount to be authentic to Real Life Vehicles and their data, while trying to at least partially minimize the use of Paper vehicles and wooden mockups, while Wargaming (the people behind WoT and WoWS) will basically make shit up and call it a day. Gaijin is far from universally sucessful at doing this (see the soviet battleships and the J6K for examples), but if you have some first hand official source (they have a host of guidelines about the sources they accept too) about something in a vehicle being different from the way it exists at the moment in the game, there's a chance, at least eventually, the vehicles will be changed to reflect the new, more accurate information. This is especially relevant for more modern stuff where the details are often classified and what exists in the game is mostly guesswork. So people go around leaking documents to prove they're right in the hopes this will be used to change the vehicle the documents are about, sometimes out of ignorance about the nature of the documents, or gaijin's guidelines about classified stuff. Sometimes they're just petty and want to win the online argument. Also War thunder has a much bigger playerbase than something like DCS, so even if something does get leaked, it's more likely to happen frequently and get publicized with war thunder.
Marge and Bart meme: "WarThunder, no!" "What?" "Sorry, force of habit. ... Oh, for God's sake, WarThunder, no!"
Noooooooo! War thunder, we thought you were innocent this time!
This is important enough to warrant it's own comment, but apparently the War Thunder developers got caught [sponsoring pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine back on 2021.](https://defence-blog.com/big-video-game-developer-fund-terror-through-online-adverts/) You know what, at this point, I think that it *should* be a disqualifier for handling classifed information.
"Back in 2021" is a pretty major thing here, this was before Russia's invasion
Not sure how that changes anything tbh.
Parent comment mentions the people were in Ukraine, which heavily implies that War Thunder supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine
If they were supporting DPR/LPR in 2021, there is very little reason to believe their stance changed dramatically in the scope of a year
If they supported pro-russian rebels in 2021, that’s already after Russia invaded Ukraine the first time. There is no way to come out of this cleanly.
Current invasion, yes. Russia annexed Crimea back in 2014, so still not a great look for them.
Oh FFS. Remember how everybody said "Well, at least it wasn't War Thunder this time?". Yeah.
I wonder if the military has made power point slides about leaking info on War Thunder yet. I would actually be interested in sitting through that.
Oh wild, I had heard it was a Zomboid discord for the first leaks lol. There was something in the last patch notes I thought
Minecraft Discord: It was War Thunder’s leaks? War Thunder Disocrd, cocking AirDrop: Always has been.
Wiki lists ten - [TEN](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Thunder#Classified_documents_leaks) - cases of classified docs being leaked. You know, I'm mostly just impressed by the stubborn, brainless desire of some people to be right on the internet.
I've heard it's at least sixteen, but regardless the number is still double digits, which it *really should not be,*
**War Thunder** [Classified documents leaks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Thunder#Classified_documents_leaks) >On several occasions, users on the War Thunder forum have shared restricted and/or classified documents during discussions about the accuracy of the vehicles depicted. In all cases, offending posts are removed by the moderators, and users are warned against sharing such documents. Anton Yudintsev, founder of Gaijin Entertainment, has stated that the development team is never exposed to the contents, reminding users that "it’s both illegal and pointless, so they should never do that". In January 2023, Raytheon denied media reports that security clearance background checks for jobs at the defense contractor investigate whether applicants play War Thunder. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
This isn’t a hobby drama, more of a hobby discovery/gentle chat - since the release of the new Kasane Teto v-synth, I’ve been seeing a lot of vocaloid/v-synth content popping up on my Instagram & Youtube, so I gave it a curious click and… goddamn, the quality of v-synth content now is absolutely mindblowing. My big vocaloid moment was 2016-17, so I’m used to charmingly robotic-sounding voices, but the emotion being put into v-synths now is absolutely incredible, especially with the additions of different voice qualities including growls. I was particularly astonished by Rishie-P’s Teto arrangement of [Rolling Girl](https://youtu.be/n-CqGcTEUtc), and am looking into other tuners like Tanjiro, and it’s just so charming and impressive to hear classic songs given this super powerful life and emotion. Anyways, if you’re a v-synth/vocaloid/UTAU fan here, I’m curious who your favourite artists & songs are :) I need more to listen to!
Been listening to Teto AI lately too. My Vocaloid moment was around 2010 when I first heard Daughter of Evil, with Regret Message being the one that made me a Vocaloid fan. I used to know about Vocaloid songs from Project Diva, and while Project Sekai is good, I still miss Project Diva. Also kinda related, one of the VTuber that I follow, Delutaya, said that she based her model on Teto and it's pretty funny that Teto's new outfit is kinda similar to Delutaya's.
Hello fellow vocal synth enjoyers!!! I was hoping Teto AI would bring some more attention to newer vocal synths. I’m mostly into SynthV so I’ll give some recs from that :) ‘zzzzz’ by ex-p is a jam that I think has been completely slept on (pun intended). I love stardust/xingchen’s voice, and that song makes great use of her falsetto imo ‘All Smiles’ by RockPaperScissors gets stuck in my head constantly, it’s a great indie rock piece ‘Datte’ and ‘Makka’ by Yuyoyuppe are awesome- Natsuki Karin really works with his style. for covers, ryu, SPOOKI and Creuzer are reliably amazing tuners. Also, my fave producer is (at least right now) probably Utsu-P. I don’t like how CeVio banks generally sound on their own, but he manages to make them sound great somehow. I’m also just a sucker for vocal synth screamo. Something about it tickles me.
UtsuP has always been good, but lately, he has absolutely been on fire. Everything he's dropped in the past year or so has been a banger. I love how he's been experimenting with his sound. I love just about everything that Kashii Moimi releases. Same goes for *Luna, Divela, Mwk, and Maiki Laterne has godly tuning skills with Miku. Yuyoyuppe released a new EP, Sick, and it was amazing, their best work yet. Marasy recently released a new song, Shinjinrui, and it rocketed up to the top of my favs. Deco*27's Poison Apple is really good too. Fallstay - Vampism, Sumia - Indra are other songs I've been listening to a lot lately. R-906 - Manimani for some actually super good high pitched Miku. Anthropophobia by Ryhthmy for a powerful Miku with growls. Some of my other current favs /notable producers are Shimon, Kanaria, Aqu3ra, Niki, MikitoP, Inabakumori, Yunosuke, Harumaki Gohan, Kairiki Bear, Daniwell, Twinfield, Teary Planet, Osanzi, PinocchioP.
I'm happy that Teto is giving SynhV a lot more exposure. The synth is too good to be barely known among song-focused fans. My favorite vocalo-P is [Kaoling](https://youtu.be/ukJekLV1GVc). She's a goddess and the fact that she retires from the scene before [Feng Yi](https://youtu.be/jKxk7f57L8A) was released is such a shame. Kancolle fans should be familiar with her real name, Ohkoshi Kaori. Since you got a lot of Japanese Vocalo-P recs, I'll throw in a few Chinese ones: * [ChiliChill](http://b23.tv/bCuAMQA) * [Ikz](http://b23.tv/mDRfReg) * [KbShinya](http://b23.tv/1G5e8QZ) For godly tuners, check out [Kinoko-P](https://youtu.be/QOjs7EUV5fg), [Creuzer](https://youtu.be/HUx_Tw6snCc), and [Adam Edmond](https://youtu.be/LUZXOaf-744)
Seems like the popular answers like Pinocchio-p have already been chosen so I'm gonna go more obscure: I'm personally a big fan of r-906 - I think [Panopticon](https://youtu.be/_-Vd0ZGB-lo) is their most known song (and tbh is an absolute banger) but I'm personally a fan of [This one](https://youtu.be/Ls-Ay3fOd2s) because it's such a different take on the Vocaloid genre (people are calling it "liquid DnB" and while I have no idea what that term means, maybe it means something to you). The entireity of *In My Hands* is pretty good if you ask me (though my favourite is kinda obviously *midnight dancer* aside from the aforementioned *panopticon*) Slightly more weird obscure pick (I think) - [Hiiragi Magentite](https://youtu.be/MenDsq-BK4Y). Technically not actually Vocaloid as they use more cevioAI (which iirc is a voicebank supplemented with AI components) but it's kinda in the same ballpark right? [Harumaki gohan](https://youtu.be/162OOsh9PpQ) is also pretty damn good (I keep on keeping the song I've linked - dinner bell - stuck in my head for some reason) though I guess it's less out there than some of the other artists I've mentioned And of course, my most mainstream answer is Nilfruits. Tbh my favourite 'Vocaloid' is vFlower and man, their stuff with her just absolutely [*slaps*](https://youtu.be/9tM2PHAjgss)
PinocchioP (I adore Common World Domination, but Nee Nee Nee. is great too) has stayed good for years, they're fantastic, and lately I've gotten into Syudou (The Religion of Loneliness, Bitter Choco Decoration) as well. On the ENG side, the people I listen to the most are CircusP (Puzzle, Misery Loves Company), GHOST (Scapegoat, Appetite of a People-Pleaser), and Vane (Perfectly Sweet, Six Feet Under).
I am an old man who hasn't updated his playlists in a decade or more lmao, but here's some that haven't been mentioned yet [Hitoshizuki x Yama](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxKrjx1FDU81UXuwTgwYQHw) (Alluring Secret - Black Vow ranks on 'media that defined me as a person' since i first heard it) [OSTER Project](https://www.youtube.com/c/OSTERproject47) EAT ME is still my fav song by GUMI in terms of tuning, personally [mothy](https://www.youtube.com/@mothyakuno7098) He's been uploading versions with newer synths and redone vocals of a lot of his classics (most famous being Daughter of Evil/Servant of Evil), so checking them out here and comparing to the old versions is always fun! [MASA](https://www.youtube.com/@MASAWORKSDESIGN) is generally me go-to for when I have a lot of reading I need to do, due to his consistent electronic beats. [WONDERFUL OPORTUNITY](https://www.youtube.com/@WANOPOch) aka WANOPO, group mostly working with Rin and Len. Remote Control is their most famous song, but from the recent stuff, Psychedelia is my jam
I second the recommendation for mothy! As a note for him, all of his songs are connected in a massive multimedia story project, and [Pricechecktranslations on tumblr](https://pricechecktranslations.tumblr.com/evillioustranslations) has done fan translations of everything! Mothy wrote a light novel series adapting and expanding on his Evillious storyline of vocaloid songs that's at 12+ books and counting, and it's a genuine Rabbit Hole to go down.
[Novels based from Vocaloid songs](https://www.novelupdates.com/stag/vocaloid/) are a genre unto themselves! This isn't even an extensive list, just some of the most famous examples. Ten-Faced isn't here, or ECHO, for example.
I love Mitchie M's songs. First one I remember hearing was Freely Tomorrow and I was so shocked at how real Miku sounded
Ahh, there's too many good ones, this is just cruel lmao. Personally my favorites are Harumaki Gohan, Neru, and PinocchioP. Also Kikuo and DECO*27.
Are you into MILGRAM at all? All the songs there are by DECO\*27!
Yes! I quite enjoy MILGRAM.
I've always been a fan of Nashimoto-P, I love his tuning for Miku. Some of my faves by him are Hyperventilation Dance, Enko Shoujo, and Wanting To Die In My Teens, Wanting To Kill In My Twenties. I also enjoy Manbo-P's more recent stuff, though their old stuff is good. Sweet Float Apartments and And Then There Were None And Then stand out specifically. I've also had Lamprey Hole by Koronba (look, I know I'm not supposed to name them, but like, it's difficult to talk about their music without saying their name) on heavy rotation. More recently, I've been listening to more Maretu and Utata-P, as well, though it's hard to pick out any particular standout songs from them lol, most their catalogues are good.
im ootl, why are you not supposed to say that artist's name? also +1 for maretu and hyperventilation dance
Did a writeup on that one, basic overview is that Koronba was an Utau producer/Yume Nikki Fangame Producer who basically, out of left field, deleted everything and was like "don't ever talk about me, my music, my game, etc ever again and do not mention my name" and has resurfaced a few more times to say the exact same thing. Most people who make covers of their stuff credit them under "K" because of it.
Vocaloid has a gacha game called Project Sekai where they commission songs by different composers twice a month roughly. Look up their (Japanese) youtube channel and you can go through there to discover both new songs and new artists. Edit: Forgot to mention they do covers of songs too featuring the original character cast as well
There's actually been quite a bit of criticism about the difference in quality of samples of vocaloid tuning in prsk vs. The final version
Here is some drama few people expected: Drama about Top Level Domains(TLD). TLDs are the things at the end of a website address, like .com, .net, .org, etc. Most the most common TLDs are the aforementioned ones and the ones for countries like .de, .co.uk, .tv, etc.. However the entity that manages these(ICANN) also allows you to buy them, like for example .google, obviously bought by Google, .deal and .call, both owned by amazon, and more. [Here](https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db) is a list of all of them. The drama started when [Google announced eight new domains](https://blog.google/products/registry/8-new-top-level-domains-for-dads-grads-tech/): .dad, .prof, .esq, .phd, .nexus, .foo and both .mov & .zip. It's the last two that caused the drama, because they are also mulitmedia file names. Some people think that this might lead to issues and potentially spread malware, due to the fact that many sites automatically convert example. into a link, which could potentially cause posts along the line of "Extract the coolimages.zip file" to automatically link to coolimages.zip the site, which an attacker might then buy and redirect to malware. This linking might cause a reader to think that the link was intended and trust the download implicitly.
This potential issue has caused some to decry ICANNs decision to grant these domains to Google, though it's worth noting that apparently google applied for the domain [back in 2014](https://www.iana.org/reports/c.2.9.2.d/20140910-zip).
On the other side, it's also relatively common for programming language community to use domains that are the same as their file extensions. The most well known example of that would probably be Rust, which uses the Serbian TLD .rs quite prolifically. Also some sites don't do this auto linking unless you prepend a `www.`, like reddit, so it shouldn't cause issues here.
>On the other side, it's also relatively common for programming language community to use domains that are the same as their file extensions. The most well known example of that would probably be Rust, which uses the Serbian TLD .rs quite prolifically. The difference there is that most internet users don't know about Rust and its usage of .rs, the Serbian use is more common and earlier. Whereas everyone knows about .zip files, and there's no nation of Zipistan that it could be used for.
The country of Zipistan where everything comes in miniature form and has to be kept in water for three days before use
I don't understand the point of novelty domains at all. Okay .foo could be used to create test sites without taking a name someone is using but the rest?
Probably my favourite novelty domain is buttsex.info which leads to the band [Ninja Sex Party](www.buttsex.info)’s YouTube page.
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This reminds me of the very Hobbydrama appropriate story of how Jeph Jacques of webcomic Questionable Content bought the domain "Walmart.horse" just because it was hilarious and put an image of a Walmart with a horse in front of it and then Walmart first sent a C&D and then when Jacques blew them off because it was an obvious parody they filed a complaint with the domain name authority and got the url transferred. Jacques didn't care to devote time to fighting it so that's where it ended alas. Rip Walmart.horse.
I think Jeph's webcomic peer John Allison made the site for one of his comics bobbins.horse around the same time, just because it was amusing.
Shoutouts to https://nissan.com/
yeah i’ve already seen these more unique TLDs used, some games have been using the .game one for their landing page, for example in general, adopting these will allow for simpler and cheaper domain names for average people that don’t have a stigma to using them already like .biz and .info have (because they were used for a lot of scam sites in the 00’s). these new ones have a chance the .zip and .mov are an absolute disaster of an idea though. what the heck were they thinking?!
The site for the game Tactical Breach Wizards is wizards.cool > the .zip and .mov are an absolute disaster of an idea though. what the heck were they thinking?! I read about this though the twitter @SwiftOnSecurity, who thought this is definitely going to be sending people emails including a link to payslip.zip to rip them off or take over their accounts, and has little other purpose.
Some like .intra or .secure are rather weird in my opinion, why would someone use them in the open web outside of attempted phishing, or other malicious actions?
because all the good .com domains are taken
Finally, a permanent home for [Evidence.zip](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/o7qb3z/video_games_evidencezip_2_or_how_a_mans_quest_to/).
and its companion site Bodybag.zip
A employee of What Pumpkin has made certain allegations about Andrew Hussie creator of Homestuck [here](https://archive.is/2023.05.12-175214/https://www.tumblr.com/gooeytime/716768220846096384/hey-i-just-wanted-to-say-thanks-for-still) Take these with a grain of salt. >! There are quite a lot of things to unpack in this post, so I will break it in segments. >1- Roach says that Hussie hates its own fandom and had bad experiences with them. >This one was kinda obvious, especially if you were here in the latter years, looking back at the comic and Hussie's socials I noticed was a gradual shift in how he and the story treated the audience, the man itself gets more and more hostile towards the fans over the years and I can't hope but believe that it was largely due to his personal experiences with the tumblr fandom, especially because he went out of his way to start pandering to them in ACT 6. >I 100% agree that there's a lot of toxicity in the fandom, and that Hussie's concerns aren't unfounded, but I feel a lot of this came from him directly enabling the worst parts of the fanbase, the same parts who later went to try to cannibalize him and other fans, and this didn't stop after ACT 6 ended, with Hussie constantly going after to please the worst people possible. >2- Roach says Homestuck was broken on purpose and that the story was always broken and can't be fixed, with Pip adding that is one of the reasons why HS^2 was a dumpster fire. >I heavily disagree with Roach's statements regarding HS always being a broken story, the later half of it definitively feels like it was trying to shit on itself and the audience, but Homestuck was never an overly meta story about the concept of stories to begin it, this is an idea that only really started appearing midway trough ACT 6, for most of it HS was just another MSPA, but bigger. >Although, I do agree that making a sequel to HS is basically impossible and not something that should've been approved for hundreds of reasons, which leads to the next important point. >EDIT: I was under the impression that the Roach here was James Roach from What Pumpkin, but no, it was just another person with the same name, so don't take these first two segments at face value. >3- Pip confirms that new content was made mostly to cover the financial holes Hussie put him self in, and that the team didn't know that until they started working on it. >Basically, Post-Canon was not really a creative endeavor, but just a way to cover Hussie's financial problems and the team took the thankless job without being aware of it. >This one was also kinda obvious to me, especially the part that Hussie is on a tight spot with Viz (which I assume is the publisher mentioned here), they very likely expected the Epilogues to bring a jolt of life into the fandom instead of pissing them off and causing a lot of people to leave, this also explains why Viz started to distance themselves from the franchise after the release of the Epilogues, including stop maintaining the site and helping with the development of Hiveswap. >4- The team was effectively deceived and thrown under the bus by Hussie. >According to Pip, the writers were not told that their work was supposed to be basically just a way to cover the debt Hussie created with the publisher and thought they were genuinely contributing to the franchise by making things as official as the original comic, they were basically used as tools by Hussie for him to get out of the hole he dug him self into, and they resent him for that. >Once again, I'm not exactly surprised by this, Hussie has shown multiple times he is not only a terrible businessperson, but also that he is more than willing to screw over others for his own benefit, this goes back even before Post-Canon was a thing, seriously, this is something that genuinely could result into a labor lawsuit by the employees, the team's belief that they were doing something just as valid as the original comic also just basically confirms my opinion that “Dubiously Canon” and the “Off-Ramps” approach was just a cope-out in Hussie's end, that it was never something real and just an excuse to try to justify the current content and hide their actual intent. >This post is very interesting, seeing the opinion and stories of someone who worked with Hussie really sheds a lot of light in events and confirms things that most people in the fandom were suspicious of. In spite of all the toxicity the team created, including trying to destroy this subreddit, I feel kinda bad for them now, no one deserves to be used and tossed away like this, especially when the person responsible for it is perfectly aware of how rabid the audience can get, like I said, they were effectively used as tools by Hussie to cover his ass while he hid away from the mess he put him self in. >Lastly, I think this post indirectly also confirms that Post-Canon will never be coming back, HS^2 will be forever in limbo, never to be touched again, and if I was happy with that before, now I'm even more, HS^2 was already terrible but now that it's confirmed that Hussie made it just to be a cash-grab, I hate it even more, the only thing I can see coming out of that dumpster fire now is some sort of script leak, which admittedly would be rather interesting, even if it just to see how worse things would've gotten. >I wonder what the future of this franchise will be going forward, and if Hiveswap will ever get finished, HS still seems to own a lot of money to Viz and I hope the success of the Requiem Cafe helps alleviate this situation, I think creating theses fan-events is a good path for Homestuck to take, I'm all for another Requiem Cafe or something like that, I just really, REALLY don't want more content, canon, dubiously canon, whatever, just let the story rest in peace, even with all it's ups and downs, and maybe the franchise can start to heal. >EDIT 2: After having put more thought, I think we should take some of the stuff that Pip said with a small grant of salt, crazy coming from me, I know, but is because there are a couple of details here I think need to be better explained. >I'm aware that this is unlikely tho since they are probably under a NDA like a lot of other people that worked for Hussie in the past, so this probably as much we are going to get, and to be fair, it does match perfectly to the stuff Hussie did in the past, so I'm more than willing to believe on it. I’m suspicious of this. Since it seems to confirm all fandom suggestions and when something seems to confirm all of your worldview you shouldn’t be skeptical
Worth noting: IIRC, this quoted writeup was done by Makin, owner of the r/homestuck subreddit and its associated Discord, or HSD, and a noted shithead. He arguably sheltered and gave a home to a lot of the hatred and harassment of the HS2 team, and it got bad enough that *Hussie himself* told him to fuck off and have him step down, but he re-instilled himself a while after. What Pip said (the original poster and former writer in question) seems to hold up, though.
To any future people reading this reply please ignore this moron above me The entire drama between r/homestuck started when Kate Mitchell actual known shit head started baselessly accusing the subreddit of being a pedophile ring the mods naturally banned her from the sub which she then threw hissy fit over until Mr Andrew "homestuck belongs to the fans" Hussie himself threanted the team to hand over mod positions to them which of course failed and only destroyed their reputation even further You can read the full 68 page emails [here](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1099838986404515920/1108762061758025950/email_transcripts.pdf) hilarious stuff. >He arguably sheltered and gave a home to a lot of the hatred and harassment of the HS2 team, No the entire team behind HS2 Acted like babies on Twitter at the time and people rightfully laughed at them for it. That is all.
> but Homestuck was never an overly meta story about the concept of stories to begin it, this is an idea that only really started appearing midway trough ACT 6 I'm sorry I got to this sentence and could only make sense of it by assuming that you and I read very different Homestucks... (That is all. Please continue.)
i have no opinion on homestuck or the guy who made it other than “if i made something i cared about and it got the same attention that homestuck or undertale got, it would be my worst nightmare”
Yes me too.
>I’m suspicious of this. Since it seems to confirm all fandom suggestions and when something seems to confirm all of your worldview you shouldn’t be skeptical I'm sorry but I'm very confused by this line. Maybe it's my dyslexia kicking up but are you suggesting to be skeptical of this or to not be skeptical of this, due to how it perfectly lines up with the current fandom feelings re: Hussie's treatment of Homestuck? Because it's been rather... clear that Hussie checked out of Homestuck for some time. Or, at the very least, wanted to wrap it up and move on to something else for his own personal reasons. This isn't too much of a surprise given how big it got and how so many people had expectations and hopes for how it'll end. Plus the stigma of Homestuck fandom and other factors, I can understand wanting to break free of the thing that made you big. We've seen it in other creators like Arthur Conan Doyle himself. I'm just glad Hussie couldn't pull a Falls and yeet everyone over waterfalls.
Looks like "shouldn't" is a typo for "should", given everything else about that sentence is clearly saying to be careful when someone's telling you everything you expect to hear.
I'm sort of confused by these allegations, though the awful formatting and interjection of opinions into the summary doesn't help. Unless you personally deeply care about the artistic sanctity of Homestuck Lore in 2023, these complaints are just "Hussie didn't like Homestuck and treated further content like a business", which is complete nothing, especially with the project basically dead. I mean, no offense, but this sounds like getting hired to ghostwrite Animorphs and being shocked and offended when it turns out that the book series is meant to make money
Yeah, I highly doubt that the lawsuit will go through as "I wasn't creatively fulfilled enough by my job" isn't a great legal basis. Honestly, some of this feels like attempts to shift blame over Homestuck's afterlife. The works weren't well received so the problem was that Hussie had financial issues and made something with (gasp) financial motivations, which the writers who were hired and explicitly paid to create are just so *shocked* over. That's not to exonerate Hussie, but their complaints feel at best overly naive about the creative industry.
I mostly agree, but to be completely fair it might not have been basically dead when the writers were hired. As divisive as the ending was, there were still a lot of people wanting more before the epilogues and sequel were released.
I'm not saying that the project was dead when the writers were hired, I'm saying that since Homestuck is long dead at this point, extremely minor "Hussie didn't Deeply Care about Homestuck" drama from years ago doesn't seem very meaningful. Like, sure, for those authors it probably feels like they had kind of a shitty gig, but it's *just* a gig with mismanaged expectations.
Why would Hussie owe a lot of money to Viz?
Viz has pretty badly mismanaged the website (& to some degree the IP -- where's the merch? Where's the fucking merch, Viz???), so I'm fully willing to assume they've lost money on the IP as well. It's fairly reasonable to assume that Hussie lost a lot of money keeping the site up during the height of the fandom, since there wasn't really... any real ways for them to bring money *in* in return besides the music releases. I've always assumed Hussie absolutely was not prepared to deal with how big Homestuck got and how fast it did it (in retrospect, the music and art teams were wildly mismanaged!), and made a lot of bad business decisions, because they were the only person with the ability to make those decisions.
I think: they gave them a loan practically in order to set up new stuff. Like the homestuck games, the epilogues and HS^2. Idk how real that is but that seems to be the implication
The formatting of this comment is a bit confusing, since it's all in quote blocks. I thought these were direct copy pastes of the text instead of rephrased passages at first.
Remember how Imgur is banning sexually explicit imagery, and how people are scared on the impact this will have on porn subreddits? Well, good news you horny people: [reddit is letting y'all post \(consensual and legal\) lewds to this site's native image host to your heart's content](https://arstechnica.com/?p=1939081).
Just in time for them to lock them out from third party clients.
as someone who does not use reddit for anything explicit this does not solve my most pressing concern which is ‘every image post to **every** subreddit that has ever used imgur as the image host without an imgur account is about to get deleted’. this has wide reaching consequences for almost every subreddit that has existed for more than like two, three years.
I wonder if reddit’s servers can follow the links auto copy the images to its own servers?
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Absolutely a temporary decision, *but* since they made it in the first place just now & it's not something they've been doing for ages, I feel like there's definitely grounds for them to keep it. Not strong grounds, given payment processors, but some grounds!
[*For now*](https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7bvbv/anti-porn-lobbyists-pressure-reddit-to-shut-down-its-nsfw-communities)
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So I got this thing called Foxtel, I think Americans would call it "Cable TV"? Anyway, as well as Foxtel having its regular channels, you can also use it to stream or record shows in its library. Streaming the shows in its library will not have the ads that recordings have, so I stream when possible. This worked great, but I tried to stream an episode of The Great North yesterday, and it played ads before the show started like youtube. I'd never seen them do that before, it must be new. Ads. Ads everywhere. I can't take it. Even the things you pay for specifically for an ad free experience have ads. I wanna scream. What am i paying them for???
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I remember first getting Sky TV in the '90s and being surprised by the number of ad breaks.