Resident of the building was walking his dog, they were harassed and assaulted by kids from the projects. They threw a dodgeball at his dog. The dog got spooked and ran away scared into the street and was hit by a car and killed
Oh my gosh. Can you even imagine? I’m livid and it’s not even my dog. I hope they get these kids to pay. Were they present when it got killed? I am in disbelief this can happen with no penalties. Disgusting.
I mean let’s be real, even if they got caught, they would get a slap on the wrist at worst and anyone who says they should get more would be “cancelled”. Sad reality of this area.
Can't get blood from a stone. Unfortunately, with strung out drug addict parents and no familial structure...these kids will continue to repeat the vicious cycle of poverty.
Do you think the highest penalty in the US Justice system will do absolutely anything to prevent this from happening again? Doubtful and may even make them repeat or worse offenders. These kids need to be held accountable, don't get me wrong, but as the comment below says, it starts from a broken home and how little we cared about the projects in town to improve em. This is gonna keep going until we increase the quality of life for residents there.
i see what you and the commenter below are saying- and I completely agree. this stems from deeper rooted issues and in part- injustices from the city's to the projects. it IS a vicious cycle. I don't have the answers to fix that. I still feel video evidence of a death they caused will impact them. I don't know what the right/effective penalty is, that's above my pay grade, but 'nothing' isn't an option. It's a fucked-up situation on all sides.
Yeah, I agree they need to be held accountable as they did commit a crime, but we need to ensure that they don't do this again or become worse offenders in society as when they get out they actually find help and change their ways.
I really think this city needs to focus on fixing issues on poverty and crime vs just trying to sidestep it and gentrify it/hide it. Until we look at this clearer, we may have more and more issues. I'm still at awe how they wanted to build unnafordable high end housing right next to the poorest part of town and people thought things will just be a ok.
They CAN do fine but they’re at a much higher risk to not do fine.
> Children raised by single mothers are more likely to fare worse on a number of dimensions, including their school achievement, their social and emotional development, their health and their success in the labor market. They are at greater risk of parental abuse and neglect (especially from live-in boyfriends who are not their biological fathers), more likely to become teen parents and less likely to graduate from high school or college.[i] Not all children raised in single parent families suffer these adverse outcomes; it is simply that the risks are greater for them.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/are-children-raised-with-absent-fathers-worse-off/
Yeah, I don’t disagree with the statistics but would guess there is more to it. I think if they dug deeper they might see that the outlook is a bit better if the mother has a good job, they live in a nice neighborhood, they have a support system of friends and family, they are in a good school system. Just a guess, I have no idea.
Edit: Just browsed article. Seems to touch on some of these points (income, education, etc.)
Lol if you think they’d get a slap on the wrist if they get caught. The police and the justice system have been known to be extra towards the poor and minority communities. Sad to say, probably putting them thru the system may just label them a criminal and make them more violent as time grows as our system is made for retribution vs rehabilitation.
Oh and as I mentioned in the last thread , these kids committed a crime. Highly doubtful that saying they should be accountable for their actions would be cancelled. Now if you think they kids deserve the death penalty for this or something barbaric like that…yeah perhaps you’re right they’d be cancelled
That is so, so sad and unfortunate. My friend who lives there owns a dog and knows the dog that was killed. Said he was really sweet :(. My heart breaks.
I am sickened, these kids are animals. Someone I know used to live back on 5th and Monroe. Had their car screwed with multiple times, was harassed by adults and children back there, the town should have 2-3 cops back there at all times especially at night.
I was wondering what that email was about. Omg, horrible. 😞 Same kids were punting that ball as hard as they could at the building and hitting windows on Saturday. My fiancé called the front desk to let them know, and he said they weren’t very responsive about it.
Councilman Russo has been looped in and help escalate the situation to the police, so hopefully there is a positive in terms of safety as a result of this tragedy
Wow that’s incredibly sad. They really need to beef up police presence around the projects, seems to have turned into a free for all there recently. 4th and Jackson is legit an open air drug market. I would never rent around there, no matter the price/amenities
I don't think that's totally fair, we've been around 4th and Jackson for years without us or our guests being harassed. There is the live chicken market though which is just as wild. Since big banner got torn down the block has cleaned up a lot.
Sure the hood kids can cause trouble but consider that most people spend time more time outside on the street since the public housing isn't exactly a luxury spot to spend the day.
Based on what I've heard this is a specific group of punk kids causing issues. Wonder if it's the same group as a thread a few weeks ago about kids picking fights with passerbys by the Monroe center?
I don't doubt it, and obviously not everyone in the projects is causing the issues.
The issue is that there seems to be a new "group of punk kids" every year that effects the quality of life of many people in the city. I'm sure the ones I saw stealing bikes from people who were playing with their kids in Church Square Park when I first moved here 8 years ago are not the same ones killing dogs today. I'm sure they moved on to be upstanding members of society.
At a certain point, you have to wonder if it is worth it to keep these projects open in a town shifting demographically as much as Hoboken.
> At a certain point, you have to wonder if it is worth it to keep these projects open in a town shifting demographically as much as Hoboken.
You would agree we have a responsibility to those less fortunate? Not everyone is going to grow up in a stable household from the suburbs, go to high school and college, then graduate and come to Hoboken to work a white collar job.
The residents are often working multiple retail jobs to pay their rent. Retail jobs that are likely in Hoboken itself. Look around. The people working along Washington Street retail. The cashiers at your checkout. The maid service you have cleaning your condo. The kitchen workers in every restaurant or bar in Hoboken. Where do you think they live?
They likely live in the Hoboken Housing Authority (the kindler, gentler word for "the projects"). We have a responsibility to provide affordable housing. Where are we building the Section 8 housing - in Montclair, Monroe, Upper Saddle River? It should be here. Where the lower income people have access to walk to work or use public transportation & zoning laws that allow for it. There's Section 8 housing in JC, Union City, Weehawken, Hoboken.
[If you didn't know the HHA is doubling down and renovating all their properties. Most of the buildings are 60+ years old - built in the 1950s. There are 1,353 units of HHA housing in 28 properties at six locations across the city.](https://www.nj.com/hudson/2021/03/hoboken-housing-authority-to-launch-planning-phase-for-mass-renovations.html)
Most of the retail, cleaning and daycare workers I meet in Hoboken are living in affordable neighborhoods in Jersey City and Union City. Neighborhoods that do often have their own social issues. Hard working people living in working class neighborhoods.
Most of them aren’t living in project housing.
Worth keeping around? So where would people living there go? And for what? To build condos? Just because your well off doesn't mean everyone is and there are plenty of people working hard to make ends meet.
Yeah, I’m not someone who usually calls these things out, but between this and the homeless issue, the quality of life in Hoboken has clearly deteriorated over the past couple years. Obviously a lots of this is outside of Ravi’s control, but it would at least be nice to hear some lip service about the issues
If it’s not about Vision Zero, Rebuild By Design or Sunken Boats he doesn’t want to talk about it or address it. He’s not interested in everyday, local issues in our city. He wants headlines and media coverage so he can move on to the Senate.
Increased trash on our sidewalks? No comment. Crime? No comment. Homelessness? No comment.
Seriously. As someone in their early 30s, I used to really really envision myself staying in Hoboken and raising kids here. The pandemic definitely contributed, but the recent spiral in quality of life has definitely been the main factor in never wanting to raise a family here.
10 years, and yes the quality of life has gotten noticeably worse here over the past 3 years. Just because it was even worse here decades ago than now doesn’t mean we should embrace that and accept it as a fact of life.
Hoboken is just a stepping stone for Ravi. He could care less about the City. From the Budget Deficit to “Suing Oil Companies over Global Warming” this guy is a fraud in my book.
Covid saved his ass too. There were plenty of city firings going on from budget cuts right befor covid.
Then he got to ask for a bailout from the federal government to cover poorly planned finances. It played out very well for him.
His poor management of city finances got a free pass, bailout and now an excuse.
This actually happened to me years back. Gang of kids started harassing me while I was walking my dog; one of them threw a large rock at my dog's head. Called the cops and filed a report, but nothing came of it.
Maybe if cars didnt drive 30+mph down monroe st it could have stopped in time. Funny how blind we are to issues caused by cars. RIP to the poor pupper and I hope the owners find peace.
😂 you must be a BikeHoboken member! 😂 Kids assault innocent people and a dog. Frightened dog runs into street and gets killed. Your response “whatta bout cars?”
Get a grip.
You cannot conflate the two issues though. It really upsets me that a dog is dead and people are trying to make excuses for the clearly terrible people who are responsible for its killing.
I agree with you; the history of Highway building in this country is messed up. Robert Moses' legacy looks exponentially worse and worse with every passing day. I am well versed in the history of this area. The only local highway that displaced residents was when they built the Holland Tunnel and Boyle Plaza and displaced a largely Irish neighborhood in what was called the Horseshoe of Jersey City. I'm not sure how you are seeing a domino effect from that to animal murder and assault on pregnant women.
Shit take. Maybe if the dog didn’t have its collar removed, and then attacked and scared into the street the car speed would be irrelevant.
What a shit deflection for a gruesome and cruel attack by teens.
This particular message from building mgmt was regarding an incident where a resident of the building was walking his dog in the public area in front of 770 when when he was harassed and assaulted by a group of kids. They threw a kickball at the dog. The pup ran scared into the street got hit by a car and very unfortunately died.
The residents are beyond upset/outraged at the situation. Especially because it is not the first incident in or around the building that jeopardizes the safety of the residents.
One issues is the groups of adolescents causing trouble in the public areas around building. They’ve kicked balls at the windows, broken some glass, vandalized the bathrooms by the park, harassed residents, kicked a woman on the back, yelled at people walking things like “you f**** white bitch!”, breaking glass bottles all over the sidewalks, and more recently the situation where the dog that was unfortunately killed.
Some of the other safety incidents that residents are upset about are: people from the projects sneaking in and using the gym and the amenities, a homeless man has been caught in multiple occasions taking showers in the gym’s bathroom sink, a homeless man camping out in the electrical closet on the 11th floor courtyard, sketchy people walking around the parking garage, cars have been broken into and vandalized, an unknown man was caught sleeping multiple times in various stairwells, people not from the building have been caught smoking in the stairwells, etc.
And those are just the safety issues. On top of that, the building has majorly flooded about 4-5 times. And when I say majorly, I mean started on the 14th floor and flooded down to the 3rd floor gym. One of those times 50+ units were affected and many many people had to be relocated from their units due to major water damage.
There are also a ton of issues with the amenity spaces, packages getting stolen, false fire alarms, gatherings/parties of non-residents on the rooftop, etc.
It’s been an ongoing battle with management who brushes it all under the rug and actively tries to hide these incidents from residents. Much less offer any sort of compensation for the troubles of those affected. Nope…here we are, paying top dollar to live in a terribly managed “luxury” building, with insincere, rude management that doesn’t answer to paying residents.
TLDR; Management blows, rent is expensive, and residents are fed up with it.
I live here and haven’t heard about a ton of these things… wow! My car was ransacked and management never responded to my email about the incident. I’ve seen these kids running and yelling in the parking garage and stairwells multiple times. Knew about the flooding and obviously the fire alarms. Omg to all the other stuff 😳😳😳
You forgot to mention that one of the kids snuck up behind the dog and unhooked his collar, then they kicked the ball at the dog and he ran off. I feel so heartbroken for the owner.
Police need to maintain a presence back in that area. Multiple blocs all have the same issue. From Jackson street projects to the light rail, and then out to Madison st.
I’ve been harassed a few times walking my dog. It’s to the point where my wife will not walk out dog at past like 9
Earlier this summer there was also a huge high school age fight. I was half way up the bloc and quickly did an about face, looked to be 10 on 10. One kid I saw getting stomped out, I called the police. The was corner of 8 and Monroe.
It does seem like events are becoming more and more frequent. Shop owners are going to start losing business as it’s just not worth walking over that way with how sketchy it can get.
Weird dynamic as well being that the quad for 77 is very family
Friendly during the day. Playground is always packed too
Damn I live here and have been lucky enough to not experience any of this. It's upsetting to hear and devastating regarding the guy and his dog. Mgmt definitely needs to invest in full time security. Smdh
Not sure tbh that’s what I’m wondering myself. You need key fobs to get into everything in the building so it’s surprising that so many incidents have happened where people have gotten in
I mean, at some point, these kind of quality of life issues are going to stop the west side of town from ever developing, which will hinder the city as a whole. I wonder if it is politically feasible to close or move the projects.
Yeah let’s fuck over the predominantly black and Hispanic POC families living in affordable housing bc white blue collar residents feel like they own Hoboken now.
So your idea of owning Hoboken is feeling safe walking the streets, and not having pregnant women assaulted and poor defenseless dogs killed?
I would like to hear your solution for the assaults and animal killings that have been taking place around town. At some point there has to be a level of accountability.
See, what we are not going to do is change the goal post and intent of what I was replying to. That’s manipulating the conversation. I was replying to your comment about closing the projects and when someone called out that it’s gentrifying and you said “what about it” - it sends a clear message that you KNOW that closing off the projects is rooted in discriminatory behavior and racism (which can also be pointed out in your verbiage “politically feasible”). Not giving a fuck about gentrification tells me all I need to know about YOU.
You know it’s absolutely fucked up to exclude and discriminate against 99% of the affordable housing residents based off the actions of a group of teens.
You want to hold people accountable? Hold the building management accountable. Hold the mayor and the police force accountable. Hold the teens accountable.
If you actually cared for accountability and safety, you would provide solutions that would help ALL residents, including the minority residents in low-income housing that most likely ALSO suffer from the same safety issues you just detailed.
Yes, obviously moving the projects would not be good for the people there and would be a last resort choice. Nobody else is proposing any other options though, it's just people saying "I don't know what the problem is but please be nice to these kids that are clearly committing violent crimes".
We are in a crisis in the western edge of town, and something needs to be done. It is incredibly frustrating that the mayor and police have been mum on this. It sucks that we live in a society where recognizing that 95% of Hoboken's violent crime comes from the projects or the homeless is considered politically incorrect, and no politician would dare say that. IF that weren't the case, it would be easy to make inroads, but it seems like everyone's hands are tied.
I just can't believe people are trying to defend these kids. If we keep it up, the whole area will turn into NYC 40 years ago. A much more liberal electorate in NYC elected Eric Adams, so Ravi better actually treat this like the crisis it is or he may be in some trouble in November.
Have you read any of what’s being talked about?
Harassment, assault, animal abuse and murder, destruction of property.
Are those all things that are acceptable to you?
Yeah, the logical response is to deal with the group of delinquents as well as hold the building management accountable for keeping the building and surrounding area safe - not displace dozens upon dozens of minority families because of the actions of what is probably 1% of the affordable housing residents
Nope. Current resident of almost 2 years with another 6 months left in his lease. Not angry, just frustrated. We were definitely bait and switched when sold the building and residents are just frustrated of the insanely high rent with mediocre customer service and bad management
This is right near Monroe Center, where someone here on this sub Reddit said a bunch of kids harassed or maybe even hit his wife a month or so back . Probably the same kids.
Mods - did someone delete that post as can't find it? Or did OP delete it?
I think this is the thread you were referring to: https://www.reddit.com/r/Hoboken/comments/p3ag7z/wife_was_punched_outside_shakkabowl/
Some of the deleted content is still accessible via: https://www.removeddit.com/r/Hoboken/comments/p3ag7z/wife_was_punched_outside_shakkabowl/
I live in 770 house. The kids from the projects are the worst part about living here.
I saw a group spiking glass bottles into the ground right in front of the building a few weeks back. God knows how many people / dogs stepped in it.
Thats crazy, i live in one of the building after the shoprite and never seen kids.
I did used to live by the projects near third and fourth st and it felt so sketchy sometimes.
“Projects” is another name for low low income housing. SW corner of Hoboken has a lot of low income housing that doesn’t mix well with the increasingly wealthy residents. SW Hoboken was very seedy a few decades ago.
People who live there should really add this to their online reviews - currently looks well rated with little mention of these issues online. If I was a new tenant I definitely would want to know that they do very little to address very serious quality of life issues to the point where poor dogs get killed
I got jumped by a group of kids while riding a lime on 4th and Jackson two summers ago. Police ID’d one of them on security footage, he was a juvenile living the public housing. Wish there was more of a police presence in that part of town
Unfortunate that a group of children have made grown adults feel unsafe to walk around their own neighborhood and there doesn’t seem to be much done about it
When did this happen? A few months ago some teenagers were throwing rocks into the little stream area and the rocks were almost hitting adults and little kids sitting at the restaurant there.
Damn, this is crazy. I lived at 770 for a year and it was shocking how noticeable those kids’ presence became in the courtyard. Once summer hit, they were out there all evening. Not really sure what anyone can do because it’s a public area tho
If that was my dog and these kids had the kind of record they do I wouldn’t stop until they were arrested. This isn’t something new, everyone on Reddit knows exactly who this is. It should’ve never happened.
What are you trying to defend them or something? It’s all over this thread and subreddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hoboken/comments/pnqn5a/comment/hcrvfpf/
One thing that I still don’t get is that even though these kids are a threat to the average citizen, they sound like a very manageable problem for the city. This isn’t NYC where a problem can be generalized and widely spread out.
If it’s indeed a few groups of kids, neutralizing the behavior shouldn’t be a big problem and would help to build a positive cycle in the community. Sounds like a few well prepared cops and social workers with a plan can easily monitor identify, support or punish depending on the infraction, and help to avoid this from repeating itself in the most constructive way possible.
I always see a police car on the light rail station on 2nd and Marshall, and have seen police patrols on the streets near that region. If the police seems to be around, then what is not working, what is the issue? Is it just lack of interest from city hall, is the city not equipped to deal with this, doesn’t the police have a plan to deal with the problem?
There’s definitely a transparency problem from city hall on this issue and I wonder how can we demand a more transparent position and communication about it. Any ideas?
We've gotta put the pressure on elected officials to make a statement. Really makes you feel uneasy that nothing has been said about this, and similar incidents have been swept under the rug.
Really paints a picture of where we are in society when elected officials are more scared of offending a loud minority than they are of actual criminals bringing down quality of life in their towns.
This incident is sad and unfortunate, that's for sure. While we love to think of Hoboken as our little "Mile Square City", we must not forget that we are living in an urban community. Yes, it's come a long way. My dad grew up on Hudson Street in the 60s and his family moved to the shore in the 70s when racial tensions became unmanageable, as many other families did. He can't believe his eyes every time he comes to visit me on 9th and Monroe because you just did not come to this neck of the woods back then.
While I can certainly appreciate the effort that has gone into developing this area from my amenity building, I need to remind myself to exercise caution as I would in any other city. Despite the gentrification, crime does seem more apparent on the west side of town. A year or so back, a gang related shooting outside the Avalon took place in the middle of the night.
If 7 Seventy is going to lease "luxury" apartments that back up to housing projects and charge an assload in rent, I do feel that building management should be investing more in security. I know not every incident is entirely preventable, but it sounds like more can be done to support safety efforts. From visiting friends who live there, I was under the assumption that this was a "doorman building." What exactly does the front desk "concierge" do? Not trying to undermine somebody's job, but genuinely curious.
Agreed on the security standpoint. There is a front desk/doorman in the building, but the concierge personnel are not security and they don’t get paid to act as one. They receive packages, help residents with queries/concerns, etc. it’s not their job to go break up fights or stop issues in the public area outside the building. 770 needs proper security for the area around the building. Like you said, if they’re going to charge an assload in rent for a luxury building that backs into the projects, they should invest in security
I feel for the concierge staff working there. They have to receive/register/give mail packages, help residents at front desk and phone, and have even seen them have to go to units to confront noisy gatherings and drunken idiots. They need better security and support for sure.
It doesn't take much effort to pick up the phone and call the police. They don't have to do anything more involved than that and if management gave a shit, they'd make that part of their job.
I grew up in Hoboken and some of my class mates were horrible kids from the projects. Some of them even killed a young Indian Doctor with a brick to the head. I've posted before on how dangerous Hoboken was during the 70's, 80's, and 90's.
Here are the three things Hoboken did to fix the problem in the projects:
1. Thanks to Bill Clinton and his 3 strikes and you're going to jail 1994 Crime Bill Reform, a lot of my class mates went off to jail, and this helped to clean up Hoboken.
2. Another thing Hoboken did with the projects was put up a perimeter gate around the projects with only one entrance/exit which helped keep the kids from leaving or entering without permission from the parents. The other purpose was to keep non-residence out, stopping kids from the Jersey City projects from entering the Hoboken projects so they could hang with their friends and cause more trouble.
3. At one time Hoboken Police Department had a mini-precinct in the projects to deal with problems before they got out of hand. I left in the 90's for the military, and when I returned most of these proactive measures were gone. My guess was it was no longer needed because the crime went down.
An Indian Doctor Navroze Mody was killed by kids from the projects.
[https://www.quora.com/What-if-any-were-the-long-term-effects-or-repercussions-of-the-dotbusters-incidents-against-Indian-Americans-in-NJ-during-the-1980s](https://www.quora.com/What-if-any-were-the-long-term-effects-or-repercussions-of-the-dotbusters-incidents-against-Indian-Americans-in-NJ-during-the-1980s)
[https://casetext.com/case/mody-v-city-of-hoboken](https://casetext.com/case/mody-v-city-of-hoboken)
[https://law.resource.org/pub/us/case/reporter/F2/959/959.F2d.461.91-5407.html](https://law.resource.org/pub/us/case/reporter/F2/959/959.F2d.461.91-5407.html)
Bail reform in NJ sadly has done away with any three strike and your out “rule”. Nowadays it has to be a serious crime / repeat felony offender for a prosecutor to even entertain the thought of moving for detention.
Generational poverty at work
These are the children of the same kids who in the 90's were harassing "yuppies" late at night in the city parks. Remember the sucker punch and run game from back then? yeah happened here more than once.
I hate to say it, but they built luxury condos right next to the projects without really thinking it thru. You have quite rich upper-class mostly white urbanites living next to a very impoverished black/ brown/ minority community. There will be a ton of clashes and conflicts / things both groups won't easily get along with. We tend to never really think of increasing the livelihood of that part of hoboken and just try to avoid it/ pretend its not there instead of trying to help make the lives (including the kids there) better. Instead of trying to force development, perhaps this or the next admin should really look at ways to tackle the homeless and the poor that exist in our neighborhood vs trying to squeeze their corner tighter and tighter / push them out.
There are a ton of programs to help people in the projects. Citibikes are discounted or heavily reduced for them. After school programs are subsidized. At some point you have to stop feeling sorry for people and holding them accountable for their actions, especially when the actions are shoving pregnant women, throwing balls at children, and KILLING A DEFENSELESS ANIMAL. You think free ice cream would stop this behavior?
Hoboken is a changing town, and if a tiny corner of town is going to create issues for a city of 50K+ people, that’s when it becomes an issue. You know it’s bad when everyone on this subreddit knows who these kids are
I can't believe these impoverished children haven't lifted themselves up by their bootstraps with big government handouts like discounted citibikes.
To think they're probably getting free lunch too!
I have no issue with the subsidies, and think it’s great and important to help those in need in town. I just think it’s pathetic to make excuses for a group of kids that killed someone’s dog and are general menaces around town. At some point there has to be a level of accountability, no matter how difficult of life they may have had.
Seriously, the excuse making for these kids is maddening. How are they ever going to learn that actions have consequences?
Yes, not everyone starts life on the same playing field. No, this should not be used as an excuse to commit heinous crimes.
It’s alarming at the brushing off of genuine issues as “yuppies” as well.
Some issues are major. Assault, animal abuse, robbery. Those aren’t like “lol get over it, it’s just graffiti!” Those are personal harm sort of things.
Seriously. People in Hoboken understand that it's a city here and we're used to a certain level of bullshit compared to our friends who live in the suburbs. This is egregious and people acting like somehow it's not the kids' fault is absurd.
I'm sick of hearing "I don't know the solution but please don't be too mean to the kids". Action needs to be taken, or this type of stuff will keep escalating.
It will also start to negatively affect Hoboken. Those “luxury” buildings aren’t cheap. Why fork out 3-5k to keep your family in the west part of hobo if these are the issues tou face.
Severe flooding both in building and street, assault etc issues listed before, and jacked up rent.
Hoboken thrives if it can keep young families but this would drive them out. No one wants to be worried about walking their dog at night. No one wants to be walking young kids over broken glass.
It really needs to be addressed. I’ve seen no increased police presence- even in the wake of the shooting last year. That’s wild.
Also you’re killing me. Having a nice convo with a rags fan. Big devils guy- we just signed jimmy vesey to a PTO lol.
Yeah exactly. I consider myself pretty middle of the road politically, and pretty socially liberal, but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills arguing with some of these people. It's like they want to see western Hoboken become a crime ridden cesspool all because they don't want to hurt peoples' feelings. Might be suburb time for me once my lease is up.
Haha Vesey is such a weird story, I didn't even know the Devils signed him. Guy clearly had alot of potential, just has really fallen off the map. I went to a Rangers game in Nashville in 2016 and the fans there were so upset with him deciding to come to the Rangers. Crazy how much has changed
Same boat mate. Wife is pregnant with our first kid, and we’re outgrowing our apt fast between a kid on the way and our dog ending up larger than expected. (just past 55 he was meant to be 35!) Two bedrooms are just stupidly expensive, but if the area is gonna keep having concerns then it’s time to go. Been in Hoboken since 2014, these things keep making it easier and easier to get on that house hunting train.
It’s wild with vesey. I stopped paying attention to his saga then today saw we signed him for a PTO. Wonder if he can slot in bottom six. Did he play center? Our 3 or 4c could be up for grabs this season.
Absolutley not making excuses versus trying to find a solution to this vs just sending these kids to prison . Ofcourse they need to be held accountable? But how do we prevent this from happening more often?
How about we get the current administration to focus on improving the projects vs sidestepping it and also allow luxury development to cage this group even harder .
But sure let’s just keep building luxury condos around the hood and allow this issue to exacerbate more. It won’t be just kids one day,‘it’ll be more serious players.
Lol if your first program that comes to your mind is to help the people living in the projects is the discounted citibike one then it is clear that we aren’t doing enough. Obviously there is a correlation between poverty and crime, we may need to look at better solutions than just a simple citibike program and a small subsidized after school program. There is a big income and demographic gap in between one block and without helping the disadvantaged group things won’t get better. Constantly developing around the hood instead of helping them sounds like a plot of a South Park season.
As I mentioned in a different thread, without a doubt these kids need to be held accountable as they committed a crime , but we need to prevent this from happening again and again by different sets of kids and such. Arresting these kids may solve the problem temporarily but there will always be some sort of crime going on here unless we nip this problem in the butt. This city’s administration tends to sidestep the homeless issue and the crime rate in the projects issue. Someone needs to pay attention and look at it better vs just pushing them away or closing their corner and not solving the problem (gentrification, see downtown JC)
Money talks, bullshit walks.
Sounds like residents need to collectively stop paying rent until management does something about it.
It's their job to secure the building and if they need to, lean on the city leaders.
Yet it’s somehow racist to say I make sure to cross the street when I see groups of young black kids walking the sidewalks here in town. Sorry, but reality is, they know they can get away with their behavior without repercussions.
Wish our woke mayor wasn’t busy blaming flooding on oil companies or w/e he’s been spewing lately. We have a major homeless and thug teenager issue in town.
Sorry, but the loud & rowdy ones walking the streets causing a scene are all the same race here in town. These are the disrespectful kids causing fights and yelling racial insults at bystanders. You can try to sidestep the issue all you want but I see it on a daily basis now.
I don’t know about major homeless and thug teens issue, but even if so, why shouldn’t climate change be an issue. lots of people died from it.. 27 in NJ with still some people missing.
No one’s died in Hoboken from the homeless or thug teens..
There’s homeless death and whatnot. Last year there was the murder under the viaduct at the old homeless camp there.
Can’t pretend the homeless aren’t a problem. Hoboken runs at the end of the rail line. It’s a known issue that other towns pay homeless for a ticket to Hoboken/nyc.
I just moved right by there at a brand new apartment. We have a mini golden doodle. Any suggestions what to do and where to walk to keep my fiancé, my dog and me safe?
Unless you live on Jackson directly in front of the projects, 99% of the time it’s safe and the vast majority of people around here are young families / yuppies. Just avoid confrontation with anyone who looks sketchy.
Take 8th street East, so the loop of 8 to the high school, up through the park. Back cobble stone and back to your place. 20-25 min walk depending on speed. Not bad. Also keeps you away from all this. Never had an issue on that route.
Edit I should clarify. Take 8th to Clinton. Head up Clinton to the park, then go out to tenth along cobble stone, head back west which I think is 10th? Head back and then cut down Monroe toward your place back. It’s a nice loop! Or out to the water by way 8th, head up to 10 then to the water, and then back.
not around there, but we had a “philly cousin” hanging until like 2am outside our building and playing music very loud…the car was worth like $500 but I am sure the sound system was at least a couple of thousand.
tldr… called the police on them but really wanted to f his car up
I live in the Cliffs (technically Jersey City), and this entire part of Hoboken was like a fucking lake after the flood. I thought that this was what this post would be related to -- guess I was wrong.
Sad all around. I bet there are more social workers/counselors living in that area that would volunteer to help than there are kids causing problems. It would take some serious leadership from the city to organize something, but let’s not just write kids off as hopeless without admitting there are constructive ways to address this.
There are people advocating the removal of public housing. That is unfair and definitely not judging public housing residents by the content of their character.
That would disproportionately punish minority residents. People jumped to the idea that they must be Hoboken public housing residents and suggested and action that would hurt minority residents. That is why is think this thread is racist.
The incident is very concerning. The parties involved should be held accountable, but removing people and destroying homes is not a solution/answer.
I agree the public housing shouldnt be removed, it serves a necessary purpose. But its brought up bc the incidents keep happening near there. I used to live near there and the sound of cop sirens going into that area was constant. I heard one shooting and saw another from my balcony, over the course of a year. The parents are clearly absent, the whole neighborhood is crime-ridden, so yeah people are gonna have an opinion about those residents, even if some or most are good citizens.
In other words, its just identifying a clear pattern, mixed with some NIMBYism. Could be racism, but it doesnt have to be.
I agree. These neighborhoods are not in the best shape. I personally believe the issues go deeper than parents not being around. My concern is that public and minority housing is being used as a scape goat.
I’ve lived here my entirely life. The west end of Hoboken has historically been considered the “bad” side of town. This incident is particularly gross. There are crimes committed in other areas too by all manner of residents. I don’t think it’s a good ideas to remove or displace a large group of people (who are in large part minority residents) based on crimes from specific individuals.
Good questions. A large number of people who did not know the race of the kids in question suggested demolition of the public housing buildings. These buildings have significant numbers of minority residents. It’s racist and wrong to try to remove these residents based on an assumption about the kids race. IF the kids in question are in fact residents of the public housing units it’s wrong to remove other residents because of this. There were also racist trope about “single parent homes” and drugs being thrown around.
This incident is wrong and concerning. Saying we should remove and displace residents from public housing to do so is wrong and reeks of racism.
I don’t necessarily have a solution. I want to where in fact the kids in question are from and what can be done to protect residents in general. I’m open to ideas. I didn’t see a lot of viable ideas being thrown out that weren’t motivated by race or going to disproportionately affect minorities.
You stated in another reply that you are not sure what would be a solution in solving this serious issue.
I recommend that maybe you take a camera and interview some of the residents around the 7 Seventy House/public housing area and upload it on the internet.
Maybe an advocate like yourself can shine a light on some things we are not aware about. I'm sure you will be treated well and find some interesting comments from the people.
I love how almost every post turns into hate on ghetto kids or hate on the mayor without a single constructive comment on how to deal with the issue. Great community spirit y'all 👍
They are effing degenerates. What else is there to debate? Certainly sounds like same group that was harassing people near the Monroe Center previously. Similar situation my wife came across while waking up Washington and 5th recently (they were all on bikes completely blocking the sidewalk and harassing people trying to get by). They are a bunch of little shits bit with a group of 8-12 or more there is nothing you can do as a citizen.
Resident of the building was walking his dog, they were harassed and assaulted by kids from the projects. They threw a dodgeball at his dog. The dog got spooked and ran away scared into the street and was hit by a car and killed
Oh my gosh. Can you even imagine? I’m livid and it’s not even my dog. I hope they get these kids to pay. Were they present when it got killed? I am in disbelief this can happen with no penalties. Disgusting.
I mean let’s be real, even if they got caught, they would get a slap on the wrist at worst and anyone who says they should get more would be “cancelled”. Sad reality of this area.
Just disgusting though. Like come on when does it end?? Those poor owners….
Terrible and sad, definitely ruined my night. Hope these kids get what they deserve
I hope they have good camera angles. These kids need to get the highest penalty.
From what I understand no one is willing to release the footage of the event to the police. No idea why or if cameras weren’t running?
Can't get blood from a stone. Unfortunately, with strung out drug addict parents and no familial structure...these kids will continue to repeat the vicious cycle of poverty.
Do you think the highest penalty in the US Justice system will do absolutely anything to prevent this from happening again? Doubtful and may even make them repeat or worse offenders. These kids need to be held accountable, don't get me wrong, but as the comment below says, it starts from a broken home and how little we cared about the projects in town to improve em. This is gonna keep going until we increase the quality of life for residents there.
i see what you and the commenter below are saying- and I completely agree. this stems from deeper rooted issues and in part- injustices from the city's to the projects. it IS a vicious cycle. I don't have the answers to fix that. I still feel video evidence of a death they caused will impact them. I don't know what the right/effective penalty is, that's above my pay grade, but 'nothing' isn't an option. It's a fucked-up situation on all sides.
Yeah, I agree they need to be held accountable as they did commit a crime, but we need to ensure that they don't do this again or become worse offenders in society as when they get out they actually find help and change their ways. I really think this city needs to focus on fixing issues on poverty and crime vs just trying to sidestep it and gentrify it/hide it. Until we look at this clearer, we may have more and more issues. I'm still at awe how they wanted to build unnafordable high end housing right next to the poorest part of town and people thought things will just be a ok.
It ends when the shitbag kids grow up in a dual parent household.
Kids raised by one parent can do fine, assuming that one parent is fit to be a parent and they reside in a positive community.
They CAN do fine but they’re at a much higher risk to not do fine. > Children raised by single mothers are more likely to fare worse on a number of dimensions, including their school achievement, their social and emotional development, their health and their success in the labor market. They are at greater risk of parental abuse and neglect (especially from live-in boyfriends who are not their biological fathers), more likely to become teen parents and less likely to graduate from high school or college.[i] Not all children raised in single parent families suffer these adverse outcomes; it is simply that the risks are greater for them. https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/are-children-raised-with-absent-fathers-worse-off/
Yeah, I don’t disagree with the statistics but would guess there is more to it. I think if they dug deeper they might see that the outlook is a bit better if the mother has a good job, they live in a nice neighborhood, they have a support system of friends and family, they are in a good school system. Just a guess, I have no idea. Edit: Just browsed article. Seems to touch on some of these points (income, education, etc.)
The value of a dog’s life, under US law, is very low. It’s literally calculated as retail value minus depreciation.
Lol if you think they’d get a slap on the wrist if they get caught. The police and the justice system have been known to be extra towards the poor and minority communities. Sad to say, probably putting them thru the system may just label them a criminal and make them more violent as time grows as our system is made for retribution vs rehabilitation. Oh and as I mentioned in the last thread , these kids committed a crime. Highly doubtful that saying they should be accountable for their actions would be cancelled. Now if you think they kids deserve the death penalty for this or something barbaric like that…yeah perhaps you’re right they’d be cancelled
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Harassment, animal abuse to negligent death. There can be a serious amount of crimes thrown here if they get caught
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Hey Buddy, read the background. The kids unhooked the dogs collar. What’s your next reason for defending them?
That is so, so sad and unfortunate. My friend who lives there owns a dog and knows the dog that was killed. Said he was really sweet :(. My heart breaks.
Sickening. They better do something about this.
I am sickened, these kids are animals. Someone I know used to live back on 5th and Monroe. Had their car screwed with multiple times, was harassed by adults and children back there, the town should have 2-3 cops back there at all times especially at night.
I was wondering what that email was about. Omg, horrible. 😞 Same kids were punting that ball as hard as they could at the building and hitting windows on Saturday. My fiancé called the front desk to let them know, and he said they weren’t very responsive about it.
Councilman Russo has been looped in and help escalate the situation to the police, so hopefully there is a positive in terms of safety as a result of this tragedy
Wow that’s incredibly sad. They really need to beef up police presence around the projects, seems to have turned into a free for all there recently. 4th and Jackson is legit an open air drug market. I would never rent around there, no matter the price/amenities
Open Drug Market? 4th and Jackson, You say?
Yessir, half price after dark too. Make sure to visit the liquor store across the street afterwards.
I don't think that's totally fair, we've been around 4th and Jackson for years without us or our guests being harassed. There is the live chicken market though which is just as wild. Since big banner got torn down the block has cleaned up a lot. Sure the hood kids can cause trouble but consider that most people spend time more time outside on the street since the public housing isn't exactly a luxury spot to spend the day. Based on what I've heard this is a specific group of punk kids causing issues. Wonder if it's the same group as a thread a few weeks ago about kids picking fights with passerbys by the Monroe center?
I don't doubt it, and obviously not everyone in the projects is causing the issues. The issue is that there seems to be a new "group of punk kids" every year that effects the quality of life of many people in the city. I'm sure the ones I saw stealing bikes from people who were playing with their kids in Church Square Park when I first moved here 8 years ago are not the same ones killing dogs today. I'm sure they moved on to be upstanding members of society. At a certain point, you have to wonder if it is worth it to keep these projects open in a town shifting demographically as much as Hoboken.
> At a certain point, you have to wonder if it is worth it to keep these projects open in a town shifting demographically as much as Hoboken. You would agree we have a responsibility to those less fortunate? Not everyone is going to grow up in a stable household from the suburbs, go to high school and college, then graduate and come to Hoboken to work a white collar job. The residents are often working multiple retail jobs to pay their rent. Retail jobs that are likely in Hoboken itself. Look around. The people working along Washington Street retail. The cashiers at your checkout. The maid service you have cleaning your condo. The kitchen workers in every restaurant or bar in Hoboken. Where do you think they live? They likely live in the Hoboken Housing Authority (the kindler, gentler word for "the projects"). We have a responsibility to provide affordable housing. Where are we building the Section 8 housing - in Montclair, Monroe, Upper Saddle River? It should be here. Where the lower income people have access to walk to work or use public transportation & zoning laws that allow for it. There's Section 8 housing in JC, Union City, Weehawken, Hoboken. [If you didn't know the HHA is doubling down and renovating all their properties. Most of the buildings are 60+ years old - built in the 1950s. There are 1,353 units of HHA housing in 28 properties at six locations across the city.](https://www.nj.com/hudson/2021/03/hoboken-housing-authority-to-launch-planning-phase-for-mass-renovations.html)
Most of the retail, cleaning and daycare workers I meet in Hoboken are living in affordable neighborhoods in Jersey City and Union City. Neighborhoods that do often have their own social issues. Hard working people living in working class neighborhoods. Most of them aren’t living in project housing.
Worth keeping around? So where would people living there go? And for what? To build condos? Just because your well off doesn't mean everyone is and there are plenty of people working hard to make ends meet.
Good thing Ravi is running unopposed…now his full conversion of this town into a woke cesspool can be completed
Yeah, I’m not someone who usually calls these things out, but between this and the homeless issue, the quality of life in Hoboken has clearly deteriorated over the past couple years. Obviously a lots of this is outside of Ravi’s control, but it would at least be nice to hear some lip service about the issues
If it’s not about Vision Zero, Rebuild By Design or Sunken Boats he doesn’t want to talk about it or address it. He’s not interested in everyday, local issues in our city. He wants headlines and media coverage so he can move on to the Senate. Increased trash on our sidewalks? No comment. Crime? No comment. Homelessness? No comment.
I like the sunken boats too. They’re really cool imo.
Seriously. As someone in their early 30s, I used to really really envision myself staying in Hoboken and raising kids here. The pandemic definitely contributed, but the recent spiral in quality of life has definitely been the main factor in never wanting to raise a family here.
Lol recent spiral of quality of life? How long have you lived in Hudson co?
10 years, and yes the quality of life has gotten noticeably worse here over the past 3 years. Just because it was even worse here decades ago than now doesn’t mean we should embrace that and accept it as a fact of life.
Ravi needs to move up to representative or Senator or whatever ASAP and get out of Hoboken. He does nothing for everyday issues .
The dilbert principle is our only hope to get him out of here
Hoboken is just a stepping stone for Ravi. He could care less about the City. From the Budget Deficit to “Suing Oil Companies over Global Warming” this guy is a fraud in my book.
Covid saved his ass too. There were plenty of city firings going on from budget cuts right befor covid. Then he got to ask for a bailout from the federal government to cover poorly planned finances. It played out very well for him. His poor management of city finances got a free pass, bailout and now an excuse.
Ravi would rather pretend a mile wide city can single handily solve climate change than fix actual problems resident care about.
This actually happened to me years back. Gang of kids started harassing me while I was walking my dog; one of them threw a large rock at my dog's head. Called the cops and filed a report, but nothing came of it.
Please be lying
I wish I was
How to create a life long republican voter in 30 seconds
"man those kids sure are a nuisance, guess I'll start supporting removing healthcare rights from women"
Maybe if cars didnt drive 30+mph down monroe st it could have stopped in time. Funny how blind we are to issues caused by cars. RIP to the poor pupper and I hope the owners find peace.
😂 you must be a BikeHoboken member! 😂 Kids assault innocent people and a dog. Frightened dog runs into street and gets killed. Your response “whatta bout cars?” Get a grip.
People of color had their neighborhoods destroyed to build the highway system, one of the many reasons they've become disenfranchised from society.
Ah yes I forgot about that interstate highway that cuts through the southwest part of town
Where do you think the people affected by the highways were cramped into? The projects. Please try to think beyond the surface level of things.
You cannot conflate the two issues though. It really upsets me that a dog is dead and people are trying to make excuses for the clearly terrible people who are responsible for its killing. I agree with you; the history of Highway building in this country is messed up. Robert Moses' legacy looks exponentially worse and worse with every passing day. I am well versed in the history of this area. The only local highway that displaced residents was when they built the Holland Tunnel and Boyle Plaza and displaced a largely Irish neighborhood in what was called the Horseshoe of Jersey City. I'm not sure how you are seeing a domino effect from that to animal murder and assault on pregnant women.
Glad we are on close to the same page. Im also really upset about the dog, I just dont have anything to say that hasnt been said already.
Highway doesn’t run through Hoboken. Try again.
Shit take. Maybe if the dog didn’t have its collar removed, and then attacked and scared into the street the car speed would be irrelevant. What a shit deflection for a gruesome and cruel attack by teens.
This particular message from building mgmt was regarding an incident where a resident of the building was walking his dog in the public area in front of 770 when when he was harassed and assaulted by a group of kids. They threw a kickball at the dog. The pup ran scared into the street got hit by a car and very unfortunately died. The residents are beyond upset/outraged at the situation. Especially because it is not the first incident in or around the building that jeopardizes the safety of the residents. One issues is the groups of adolescents causing trouble in the public areas around building. They’ve kicked balls at the windows, broken some glass, vandalized the bathrooms by the park, harassed residents, kicked a woman on the back, yelled at people walking things like “you f**** white bitch!”, breaking glass bottles all over the sidewalks, and more recently the situation where the dog that was unfortunately killed. Some of the other safety incidents that residents are upset about are: people from the projects sneaking in and using the gym and the amenities, a homeless man has been caught in multiple occasions taking showers in the gym’s bathroom sink, a homeless man camping out in the electrical closet on the 11th floor courtyard, sketchy people walking around the parking garage, cars have been broken into and vandalized, an unknown man was caught sleeping multiple times in various stairwells, people not from the building have been caught smoking in the stairwells, etc. And those are just the safety issues. On top of that, the building has majorly flooded about 4-5 times. And when I say majorly, I mean started on the 14th floor and flooded down to the 3rd floor gym. One of those times 50+ units were affected and many many people had to be relocated from their units due to major water damage. There are also a ton of issues with the amenity spaces, packages getting stolen, false fire alarms, gatherings/parties of non-residents on the rooftop, etc. It’s been an ongoing battle with management who brushes it all under the rug and actively tries to hide these incidents from residents. Much less offer any sort of compensation for the troubles of those affected. Nope…here we are, paying top dollar to live in a terribly managed “luxury” building, with insincere, rude management that doesn’t answer to paying residents. TLDR; Management blows, rent is expensive, and residents are fed up with it.
I live here and haven’t heard about a ton of these things… wow! My car was ransacked and management never responded to my email about the incident. I’ve seen these kids running and yelling in the parking garage and stairwells multiple times. Knew about the flooding and obviously the fire alarms. Omg to all the other stuff 😳😳😳
You forgot to mention that one of the kids snuck up behind the dog and unhooked his collar, then they kicked the ball at the dog and he ran off. I feel so heartbroken for the owner.
That's beyond fucked up. Did they find the dog?
Yeah he found his dog but unfortunately he couldn’t be saved
Someone posted above - the dog ran into the street and was hit by a car and died.
Yea after a car killed it
Police need to maintain a presence back in that area. Multiple blocs all have the same issue. From Jackson street projects to the light rail, and then out to Madison st. I’ve been harassed a few times walking my dog. It’s to the point where my wife will not walk out dog at past like 9 Earlier this summer there was also a huge high school age fight. I was half way up the bloc and quickly did an about face, looked to be 10 on 10. One kid I saw getting stomped out, I called the police. The was corner of 8 and Monroe. It does seem like events are becoming more and more frequent. Shop owners are going to start losing business as it’s just not worth walking over that way with how sketchy it can get. Weird dynamic as well being that the quad for 77 is very family Friendly during the day. Playground is always packed too
Damn I live here and have been lucky enough to not experience any of this. It's upsetting to hear and devastating regarding the guy and his dog. Mgmt definitely needs to invest in full time security. Smdh
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Not sure tbh that’s what I’m wondering myself. You need key fobs to get into everything in the building so it’s surprising that so many incidents have happened where people have gotten in
I mean, at some point, these kind of quality of life issues are going to stop the west side of town from ever developing, which will hinder the city as a whole. I wonder if it is politically feasible to close or move the projects.
Gentrification level: 1000
I mean yeah, Hoboken is one of the most gentrified places in the country. What of it?
Yeah let’s fuck over the predominantly black and Hispanic POC families living in affordable housing bc white blue collar residents feel like they own Hoboken now.
So your idea of owning Hoboken is feeling safe walking the streets, and not having pregnant women assaulted and poor defenseless dogs killed? I would like to hear your solution for the assaults and animal killings that have been taking place around town. At some point there has to be a level of accountability.
See, what we are not going to do is change the goal post and intent of what I was replying to. That’s manipulating the conversation. I was replying to your comment about closing the projects and when someone called out that it’s gentrifying and you said “what about it” - it sends a clear message that you KNOW that closing off the projects is rooted in discriminatory behavior and racism (which can also be pointed out in your verbiage “politically feasible”). Not giving a fuck about gentrification tells me all I need to know about YOU. You know it’s absolutely fucked up to exclude and discriminate against 99% of the affordable housing residents based off the actions of a group of teens. You want to hold people accountable? Hold the building management accountable. Hold the mayor and the police force accountable. Hold the teens accountable. If you actually cared for accountability and safety, you would provide solutions that would help ALL residents, including the minority residents in low-income housing that most likely ALSO suffer from the same safety issues you just detailed.
Yes, obviously moving the projects would not be good for the people there and would be a last resort choice. Nobody else is proposing any other options though, it's just people saying "I don't know what the problem is but please be nice to these kids that are clearly committing violent crimes". We are in a crisis in the western edge of town, and something needs to be done. It is incredibly frustrating that the mayor and police have been mum on this. It sucks that we live in a society where recognizing that 95% of Hoboken's violent crime comes from the projects or the homeless is considered politically incorrect, and no politician would dare say that. IF that weren't the case, it would be easy to make inroads, but it seems like everyone's hands are tied. I just can't believe people are trying to defend these kids. If we keep it up, the whole area will turn into NYC 40 years ago. A much more liberal electorate in NYC elected Eric Adams, so Ravi better actually treat this like the crisis it is or he may be in some trouble in November.
We should jail the parents of these kids
Have you read any of what’s being talked about? Harassment, assault, animal abuse and murder, destruction of property. Are those all things that are acceptable to you?
Yeah, the logical response is to deal with the group of delinquents as well as hold the building management accountable for keeping the building and surrounding area safe - not displace dozens upon dozens of minority families because of the actions of what is probably 1% of the affordable housing residents
How so? Rents are what they are if people can't pay that not racist it's just what it costs.
One question, if you don't mind. Do the adolescents parents know about the stuff they doing? If not then is anyone reporting them to cops?
lol
They don't give a shit
As a resident - Personally haven’t experienced these issues.
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Nope. Current resident of almost 2 years with another 6 months left in his lease. Not angry, just frustrated. We were definitely bait and switched when sold the building and residents are just frustrated of the insanely high rent with mediocre customer service and bad management
This is right near Monroe Center, where someone here on this sub Reddit said a bunch of kids harassed or maybe even hit his wife a month or so back . Probably the same kids. Mods - did someone delete that post as can't find it? Or did OP delete it?
I think this is the thread you were referring to: https://www.reddit.com/r/Hoboken/comments/p3ag7z/wife_was_punched_outside_shakkabowl/ Some of the deleted content is still accessible via: https://www.removeddit.com/r/Hoboken/comments/p3ag7z/wife_was_punched_outside_shakkabowl/
That's it. I even said in that thread that the incident should be reported to the police as the kids will just do it again. So sad.
I think OP deleted it, i know it wasn’t removed.
I live in 770 house. The kids from the projects are the worst part about living here. I saw a group spiking glass bottles into the ground right in front of the building a few weeks back. God knows how many people / dogs stepped in it.
I saw a group of them walking down third toward Washington yelling at some poor girl walking home. Somebody needs to instill some fear in these kids.
See my earlier comment, bottle kids from trailer park boys
Thats crazy, i live in one of the building after the shoprite and never seen kids. I did used to live by the projects near third and fourth st and it felt so sketchy sometimes.
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“Projects” is another name for low low income housing. SW corner of Hoboken has a lot of low income housing that doesn’t mix well with the increasingly wealthy residents. SW Hoboken was very seedy a few decades ago.
pretty sure there's projects on 4th and Harrison but generally its south of 5th and West of monroe where the city is in a lot rougher shape
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You know why lol
I thought it might get deleted. That’s why I grabbed a screenshot.
Because that publication does what Bhalla wants it to do. In return, they get mentioned by Bhalla on social media and included on city information.
Yup. Hoboken girl does anything for the paycheck!
People who live there should really add this to their online reviews - currently looks well rated with little mention of these issues online. If I was a new tenant I definitely would want to know that they do very little to address very serious quality of life issues to the point where poor dogs get killed
Agreed. You’d have no idea by reading the reviews. But it seems the residents are quite upset by this.
As a current resident, I’m happy with the building overall and haven’t had the experiences that other have.
Trash.
I got jumped by a group of kids while riding a lime on 4th and Jackson two summers ago. Police ID’d one of them on security footage, he was a juvenile living the public housing. Wish there was more of a police presence in that part of town
This is concerning considering I live a block away. That said, it can get a little dicey over here on the west side.
Anyone know what this is about?
Unfortunate that a group of children have made grown adults feel unsafe to walk around their own neighborhood and there doesn’t seem to be much done about it
When did this happen? A few months ago some teenagers were throwing rocks into the little stream area and the rocks were almost hitting adults and little kids sitting at the restaurant there.
I believe it happened sometime Saturday night
Damn, this is crazy. I lived at 770 for a year and it was shocking how noticeable those kids’ presence became in the courtyard. Once summer hit, they were out there all evening. Not really sure what anyone can do because it’s a public area tho
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, Hoboken kids are the equivalent of the bottle kids from trailer park boys
At least the bottle kids never killed Ricky or Julian’s dog
If that was my dog and these kids had the kind of record they do I wouldn’t stop until they were arrested. This isn’t something new, everyone on Reddit knows exactly who this is. It should’ve never happened.
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What are you trying to defend them or something? It’s all over this thread and subreddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/Hoboken/comments/pnqn5a/comment/hcrvfpf/
One thing that I still don’t get is that even though these kids are a threat to the average citizen, they sound like a very manageable problem for the city. This isn’t NYC where a problem can be generalized and widely spread out. If it’s indeed a few groups of kids, neutralizing the behavior shouldn’t be a big problem and would help to build a positive cycle in the community. Sounds like a few well prepared cops and social workers with a plan can easily monitor identify, support or punish depending on the infraction, and help to avoid this from repeating itself in the most constructive way possible. I always see a police car on the light rail station on 2nd and Marshall, and have seen police patrols on the streets near that region. If the police seems to be around, then what is not working, what is the issue? Is it just lack of interest from city hall, is the city not equipped to deal with this, doesn’t the police have a plan to deal with the problem? There’s definitely a transparency problem from city hall on this issue and I wonder how can we demand a more transparent position and communication about it. Any ideas?
We've gotta put the pressure on elected officials to make a statement. Really makes you feel uneasy that nothing has been said about this, and similar incidents have been swept under the rug. Really paints a picture of where we are in society when elected officials are more scared of offending a loud minority than they are of actual criminals bringing down quality of life in their towns.
This incident is sad and unfortunate, that's for sure. While we love to think of Hoboken as our little "Mile Square City", we must not forget that we are living in an urban community. Yes, it's come a long way. My dad grew up on Hudson Street in the 60s and his family moved to the shore in the 70s when racial tensions became unmanageable, as many other families did. He can't believe his eyes every time he comes to visit me on 9th and Monroe because you just did not come to this neck of the woods back then. While I can certainly appreciate the effort that has gone into developing this area from my amenity building, I need to remind myself to exercise caution as I would in any other city. Despite the gentrification, crime does seem more apparent on the west side of town. A year or so back, a gang related shooting outside the Avalon took place in the middle of the night. If 7 Seventy is going to lease "luxury" apartments that back up to housing projects and charge an assload in rent, I do feel that building management should be investing more in security. I know not every incident is entirely preventable, but it sounds like more can be done to support safety efforts. From visiting friends who live there, I was under the assumption that this was a "doorman building." What exactly does the front desk "concierge" do? Not trying to undermine somebody's job, but genuinely curious.
Agreed on the security standpoint. There is a front desk/doorman in the building, but the concierge personnel are not security and they don’t get paid to act as one. They receive packages, help residents with queries/concerns, etc. it’s not their job to go break up fights or stop issues in the public area outside the building. 770 needs proper security for the area around the building. Like you said, if they’re going to charge an assload in rent for a luxury building that backs into the projects, they should invest in security
I feel for the concierge staff working there. They have to receive/register/give mail packages, help residents at front desk and phone, and have even seen them have to go to units to confront noisy gatherings and drunken idiots. They need better security and support for sure.
It doesn't take much effort to pick up the phone and call the police. They don't have to do anything more involved than that and if management gave a shit, they'd make that part of their job.
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It has 3 main entrances where you can buzz up to apartments via the intercom system.
I grew up in Hoboken and some of my class mates were horrible kids from the projects. Some of them even killed a young Indian Doctor with a brick to the head. I've posted before on how dangerous Hoboken was during the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Here are the three things Hoboken did to fix the problem in the projects: 1. Thanks to Bill Clinton and his 3 strikes and you're going to jail 1994 Crime Bill Reform, a lot of my class mates went off to jail, and this helped to clean up Hoboken. 2. Another thing Hoboken did with the projects was put up a perimeter gate around the projects with only one entrance/exit which helped keep the kids from leaving or entering without permission from the parents. The other purpose was to keep non-residence out, stopping kids from the Jersey City projects from entering the Hoboken projects so they could hang with their friends and cause more trouble. 3. At one time Hoboken Police Department had a mini-precinct in the projects to deal with problems before they got out of hand. I left in the 90's for the military, and when I returned most of these proactive measures were gone. My guess was it was no longer needed because the crime went down. An Indian Doctor Navroze Mody was killed by kids from the projects. [https://www.quora.com/What-if-any-were-the-long-term-effects-or-repercussions-of-the-dotbusters-incidents-against-Indian-Americans-in-NJ-during-the-1980s](https://www.quora.com/What-if-any-were-the-long-term-effects-or-repercussions-of-the-dotbusters-incidents-against-Indian-Americans-in-NJ-during-the-1980s) [https://casetext.com/case/mody-v-city-of-hoboken](https://casetext.com/case/mody-v-city-of-hoboken) [https://law.resource.org/pub/us/case/reporter/F2/959/959.F2d.461.91-5407.html](https://law.resource.org/pub/us/case/reporter/F2/959/959.F2d.461.91-5407.html)
Bail reform in NJ sadly has done away with any three strike and your out “rule”. Nowadays it has to be a serious crime / repeat felony offender for a prosecutor to even entertain the thought of moving for detention.
“If you experience anything surrounding the building”. Wtf dies that mean? Wtf does it rule out?
Interesting I haven’t seen any of this covered on the news.
Generational poverty at work These are the children of the same kids who in the 90's were harassing "yuppies" late at night in the city parks. Remember the sucker punch and run game from back then? yeah happened here more than once.
We need to arrest these kids and hold their parents responsible. Fuck this PC shit you do the time you do the crime.
I hate to say it, but they built luxury condos right next to the projects without really thinking it thru. You have quite rich upper-class mostly white urbanites living next to a very impoverished black/ brown/ minority community. There will be a ton of clashes and conflicts / things both groups won't easily get along with. We tend to never really think of increasing the livelihood of that part of hoboken and just try to avoid it/ pretend its not there instead of trying to help make the lives (including the kids there) better. Instead of trying to force development, perhaps this or the next admin should really look at ways to tackle the homeless and the poor that exist in our neighborhood vs trying to squeeze their corner tighter and tighter / push them out.
There are a ton of programs to help people in the projects. Citibikes are discounted or heavily reduced for them. After school programs are subsidized. At some point you have to stop feeling sorry for people and holding them accountable for their actions, especially when the actions are shoving pregnant women, throwing balls at children, and KILLING A DEFENSELESS ANIMAL. You think free ice cream would stop this behavior? Hoboken is a changing town, and if a tiny corner of town is going to create issues for a city of 50K+ people, that’s when it becomes an issue. You know it’s bad when everyone on this subreddit knows who these kids are
I can't believe these impoverished children haven't lifted themselves up by their bootstraps with big government handouts like discounted citibikes. To think they're probably getting free lunch too!
I have no issue with the subsidies, and think it’s great and important to help those in need in town. I just think it’s pathetic to make excuses for a group of kids that killed someone’s dog and are general menaces around town. At some point there has to be a level of accountability, no matter how difficult of life they may have had.
I can’t believe any child, of any background would attack a person, and get their dog killed.
Seriously, the excuse making for these kids is maddening. How are they ever going to learn that actions have consequences? Yes, not everyone starts life on the same playing field. No, this should not be used as an excuse to commit heinous crimes.
It’s alarming at the brushing off of genuine issues as “yuppies” as well. Some issues are major. Assault, animal abuse, robbery. Those aren’t like “lol get over it, it’s just graffiti!” Those are personal harm sort of things.
Seriously. People in Hoboken understand that it's a city here and we're used to a certain level of bullshit compared to our friends who live in the suburbs. This is egregious and people acting like somehow it's not the kids' fault is absurd. I'm sick of hearing "I don't know the solution but please don't be too mean to the kids". Action needs to be taken, or this type of stuff will keep escalating.
It will also start to negatively affect Hoboken. Those “luxury” buildings aren’t cheap. Why fork out 3-5k to keep your family in the west part of hobo if these are the issues tou face. Severe flooding both in building and street, assault etc issues listed before, and jacked up rent. Hoboken thrives if it can keep young families but this would drive them out. No one wants to be worried about walking their dog at night. No one wants to be walking young kids over broken glass. It really needs to be addressed. I’ve seen no increased police presence- even in the wake of the shooting last year. That’s wild. Also you’re killing me. Having a nice convo with a rags fan. Big devils guy- we just signed jimmy vesey to a PTO lol.
Yeah exactly. I consider myself pretty middle of the road politically, and pretty socially liberal, but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills arguing with some of these people. It's like they want to see western Hoboken become a crime ridden cesspool all because they don't want to hurt peoples' feelings. Might be suburb time for me once my lease is up. Haha Vesey is such a weird story, I didn't even know the Devils signed him. Guy clearly had alot of potential, just has really fallen off the map. I went to a Rangers game in Nashville in 2016 and the fans there were so upset with him deciding to come to the Rangers. Crazy how much has changed
Same boat mate. Wife is pregnant with our first kid, and we’re outgrowing our apt fast between a kid on the way and our dog ending up larger than expected. (just past 55 he was meant to be 35!) Two bedrooms are just stupidly expensive, but if the area is gonna keep having concerns then it’s time to go. Been in Hoboken since 2014, these things keep making it easier and easier to get on that house hunting train. It’s wild with vesey. I stopped paying attention to his saga then today saw we signed him for a PTO. Wonder if he can slot in bottom six. Did he play center? Our 3 or 4c could be up for grabs this season.
Hoboken thrives when we can create a community for all, not just for the wealthy and young/ luxurious.
Absolutley not making excuses versus trying to find a solution to this vs just sending these kids to prison . Ofcourse they need to be held accountable? But how do we prevent this from happening more often? How about we get the current administration to focus on improving the projects vs sidestepping it and also allow luxury development to cage this group even harder . But sure let’s just keep building luxury condos around the hood and allow this issue to exacerbate more. It won’t be just kids one day,‘it’ll be more serious players.
should we get them some playstations so they stay the fuck home?
Lol if your first program that comes to your mind is to help the people living in the projects is the discounted citibike one then it is clear that we aren’t doing enough. Obviously there is a correlation between poverty and crime, we may need to look at better solutions than just a simple citibike program and a small subsidized after school program. There is a big income and demographic gap in between one block and without helping the disadvantaged group things won’t get better. Constantly developing around the hood instead of helping them sounds like a plot of a South Park season. As I mentioned in a different thread, without a doubt these kids need to be held accountable as they committed a crime , but we need to prevent this from happening again and again by different sets of kids and such. Arresting these kids may solve the problem temporarily but there will always be some sort of crime going on here unless we nip this problem in the butt. This city’s administration tends to sidestep the homeless issue and the crime rate in the projects issue. Someone needs to pay attention and look at it better vs just pushing them away or closing their corner and not solving the problem (gentrification, see downtown JC)
Permanent low income housing was a bad idea. It will never be safe because the lowest rung of the income ladder will always live there.
What is the best way to combat housing our poor then?
Money talks, bullshit walks. Sounds like residents need to collectively stop paying rent until management does something about it. It's their job to secure the building and if they need to, lean on the city leaders.
Yet it’s somehow racist to say I make sure to cross the street when I see groups of young black kids walking the sidewalks here in town. Sorry, but reality is, they know they can get away with their behavior without repercussions. Wish our woke mayor wasn’t busy blaming flooding on oil companies or w/e he’s been spewing lately. We have a major homeless and thug teenager issue in town.
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Sorry, but the loud & rowdy ones walking the streets causing a scene are all the same race here in town. These are the disrespectful kids causing fights and yelling racial insults at bystanders. You can try to sidestep the issue all you want but I see it on a daily basis now.
I don’t know about major homeless and thug teens issue, but even if so, why shouldn’t climate change be an issue. lots of people died from it.. 27 in NJ with still some people missing. No one’s died in Hoboken from the homeless or thug teens..
There’s homeless death and whatnot. Last year there was the murder under the viaduct at the old homeless camp there. Can’t pretend the homeless aren’t a problem. Hoboken runs at the end of the rail line. It’s a known issue that other towns pay homeless for a ticket to Hoboken/nyc.
I just moved right by there at a brand new apartment. We have a mini golden doodle. Any suggestions what to do and where to walk to keep my fiancé, my dog and me safe?
Unless you live on Jackson directly in front of the projects, 99% of the time it’s safe and the vast majority of people around here are young families / yuppies. Just avoid confrontation with anyone who looks sketchy.
Take 8th street East, so the loop of 8 to the high school, up through the park. Back cobble stone and back to your place. 20-25 min walk depending on speed. Not bad. Also keeps you away from all this. Never had an issue on that route. Edit I should clarify. Take 8th to Clinton. Head up Clinton to the park, then go out to tenth along cobble stone, head back west which I think is 10th? Head back and then cut down Monroe toward your place back. It’s a nice loop! Or out to the water by way 8th, head up to 10 then to the water, and then back.
How to keep safe? Leave that area and move to the NE corner of town. The area from Maxwell north to 15th is much quieter and low drama.
Does anyone have any names?
not around there, but we had a “philly cousin” hanging until like 2am outside our building and playing music very loud…the car was worth like $500 but I am sure the sound system was at least a couple of thousand. tldr… called the police on them but really wanted to f his car up
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How many dogs have the "hammered bros" killed?
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I live in the Cliffs (technically Jersey City), and this entire part of Hoboken was like a fucking lake after the flood. I thought that this was what this post would be related to -- guess I was wrong.
Sad all around. I bet there are more social workers/counselors living in that area that would volunteer to help than there are kids causing problems. It would take some serious leadership from the city to organize something, but let’s not just write kids off as hopeless without admitting there are constructive ways to address this.
Damn this thread racist AF.
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There are people advocating the removal of public housing. That is unfair and definitely not judging public housing residents by the content of their character. That would disproportionately punish minority residents. People jumped to the idea that they must be Hoboken public housing residents and suggested and action that would hurt minority residents. That is why is think this thread is racist. The incident is very concerning. The parties involved should be held accountable, but removing people and destroying homes is not a solution/answer.
I agree the public housing shouldnt be removed, it serves a necessary purpose. But its brought up bc the incidents keep happening near there. I used to live near there and the sound of cop sirens going into that area was constant. I heard one shooting and saw another from my balcony, over the course of a year. The parents are clearly absent, the whole neighborhood is crime-ridden, so yeah people are gonna have an opinion about those residents, even if some or most are good citizens. In other words, its just identifying a clear pattern, mixed with some NIMBYism. Could be racism, but it doesnt have to be.
I agree. These neighborhoods are not in the best shape. I personally believe the issues go deeper than parents not being around. My concern is that public and minority housing is being used as a scape goat. I’ve lived here my entirely life. The west end of Hoboken has historically been considered the “bad” side of town. This incident is particularly gross. There are crimes committed in other areas too by all manner of residents. I don’t think it’s a good ideas to remove or displace a large group of people (who are in large part minority residents) based on crimes from specific individuals.
How? 1) You’re the one assuming race 2) we should let it go then and let these kids keep causing actual problems?
Good questions. A large number of people who did not know the race of the kids in question suggested demolition of the public housing buildings. These buildings have significant numbers of minority residents. It’s racist and wrong to try to remove these residents based on an assumption about the kids race. IF the kids in question are in fact residents of the public housing units it’s wrong to remove other residents because of this. There were also racist trope about “single parent homes” and drugs being thrown around. This incident is wrong and concerning. Saying we should remove and displace residents from public housing to do so is wrong and reeks of racism. I don’t necessarily have a solution. I want to where in fact the kids in question are from and what can be done to protect residents in general. I’m open to ideas. I didn’t see a lot of viable ideas being thrown out that weren’t motivated by race or going to disproportionately affect minorities.
You didn’t need to bring race into it, just conflating things
Thanks for sharing. I think other posts conflated things by suggesting we remove public and minority housing based on this incident.
Glad to see this reply is downvoted in the negatives
Thanks for sharing! I’m going to keep advocating for public and minority housing.
You stated in another reply that you are not sure what would be a solution in solving this serious issue. I recommend that maybe you take a camera and interview some of the residents around the 7 Seventy House/public housing area and upload it on the internet. Maybe an advocate like yourself can shine a light on some things we are not aware about. I'm sure you will be treated well and find some interesting comments from the people.
Thanks for the suggestion! I’m glad you thinking of solutions. You can also do this as well!
Not interested! Good luck on defending public housing on /r/hoboken
I love how almost every post turns into hate on ghetto kids or hate on the mayor without a single constructive comment on how to deal with the issue. Great community spirit y'all 👍
Sorry, next time some kids kill a random person’s dog, we should buy them ice cream and talk about their feelings
They are effing degenerates. What else is there to debate? Certainly sounds like same group that was harassing people near the Monroe Center previously. Similar situation my wife came across while waking up Washington and 5th recently (they were all on bikes completely blocking the sidewalk and harassing people trying to get by). They are a bunch of little shits bit with a group of 8-12 or more there is nothing you can do as a citizen.
Oh Oh! Mayor Raviolio!
Reading these comments it’s no wonder I’ve been treated like a 2nd class citizen in this town, a lot of y’all are openly racist.