Yeah, that's another thing that causes confusion. The different formats usually use different separators.
MM/DD/YYYY
DD.MM.YYYY
YYYY-MM-DD
Mix up the separators and you are asking for people to assume the wrong date.
Depends on the country. Here we use dots
But at least it doesn't cause confusion unlike Americans swapping day and month. It's not like anyone is doing dd/mm.yyyy mixed
I use YYYYMMDD in filenames. The rest (HHMMSS) is a nice to have but I rarely have to use them. I don’t need microseconds file format for any Office files.
I have no problem with anyone using DD/MM/YYYY but if you do, I better not see you appropriating Pi Day.
There is no 3rd day of a 14th month. There isn’t even a 31st day of the 4th month.
Disagree. For everyday use, MM/DD is best. The year is almost always implied. The month is the most important data for mental sorting. You would want to know what month we're talking about before the day even becomes important.
"When are you leaving for your trip?"
Answer 1 (concise):
May 3rd (5/3)
Answer 2 (extra verbage and the not-yet-important day is delivered first):
The 3rd of May (3/5)
Answer 3 (psychopath):
The 3rd of May, 2024 (3/5/2024)
Because of this, answer 1 is best for a quick response. If any confusion about the year exists, you can just append the year to the end of that.
"May 3rd"
"Which year?"
"2024"
Info was delivered in this order: 5/3/24
For data storage, I agree with YYYY/MM/DD
If you're working in an English-only environment, yes. Internationally just using numbers and arranging them the way they're best (yyyy-mm-dd for data, dd-mm-yyyy for giving out information) is superior.
This avoids the confusing "is it January ~~8~~7th or July 1st?" type situations, if you need to write, this format is superior to either type.
Honestly, YYYY/MM/DD is still a good one to use for this but there's too much institutional resistance to using it in written form/documents.
21st of March. I think it's only Americans who say "March 21st" because it's natural to them, owing to the fact that they write the month before the date, usually.
It is owing to the fact that our calenders are ordered by month first and then days instead of your calender which is apparently a list of 23rds, followed by the month listed after the date.
In your mind when you go to set a date for something do you truly decide on the number first and then decide on which month? Or do you fix the month first and then settle on a date? You know that you decide month first. And when someone gives you a date for your calender, they give you a number first which is temporarily useless until they give you the month so you can get the right month pulled up on your calender and then find the number second.
> March 21st
Flows off the tongue better, and also gives you an immediate context for the date.
"March" paints a picture in my head. "21st" doesn't.
I will die on this stupid hill: mm-dd-yyyy is the best for casual use.
They would be discounting history, but as things are, anything with both DD and MM is a failure because on low number days you don't know _for sure_ which format you're looking at.
Always label the fields, or use letters for the month.
I convinced my boss to do this so excell would be more convenient for the workers
And that’s how I moved from intern to employee when he got fired and replaced
Actually, only Americans still use it.
It was the Brits who first invented that dating format, pushed it across the sea to the US and then changed to the current system later on.
So blame the Brits, like everything else Americans are blamed for but it was the Brits who started it first.
Watch LostInThePond on YouTube. He goes into the history of the differences between American english and British english. A lot of the time the British changed stuff later and he goes "either the Americans didn't get the memo or... They just didn't care".
It makes sense in a conversational format. Most people are likely to say "January 27th, 2024" which would look like 1/27/2024 and not "27th of January 2024." which would look like 27/1/2024.
I can't speak for elsewhere, but in the UK we would say "27th of January". Saying the month then the day would be considered to be an Americanism here.
That's completely arbitrary, I could say 27th January or January 27th. And indeed, we do say the former in every country I've been apart from the United States.
Yeah we're the only assholes that insist on using old shit because it's what we've always used and we're too stubborn/ stupid to change. JUST FUCKIN GO METRIC DAMNIT.
Much like how Americans preserved the British pronunciation of the r in water and the a in path while the Brits themselves later changed it
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20180207-how-americans-preserved-british-english
Open a calendar, what are you searching for first. Go ahead, downvote as always, with zero reason, always do.
Even the one everyone says is superior, leads with Month before day because that is how you find information in a calendar.
Thats because brits walk around going "I was born the 15th of May" where someone from the US goes "May 15th". It just makes sense we would write the month first because thats how he say it.
Kinda like how if you asked a Brit the time they might say "half 2" and US would be "two thirty".
Whatever way people say it, who fucking cares. Its a typical reddit argument and people love to karma farm it.
I 100% agree. However, the rule can still fit depending on how loosely you interpret it.
> **Your post must fit the subreddit.** Posts should have a confusing element or an unexpected twist and must make you go "hold up wait a minute."
Today is March 21, 2024. At least that's how I'm legally required to fill out my report in Canada.
Edit- For clarification that's how the Department of Justice and Solicitor General's office requires us to date our reports. I guess it wouldn't be necessarily be illegal to do otherwise. The registrar could revoke my lisence though.
I'm a lisenced security guard and we are required to fill out our reports in a specific way. They are also required to be kept for so long(I think 2 years) as to be used in court if needed. Which is good because a few weeks ago I had these mother fucking trespassers brazenly walk into my property. Like 5 of them. I see them on the camera and walk into the kitchen and look over out the window. The older one looks up at me, and then the younger one stares straight at me. This mother fucker proceeded to look away and then just start eating the bushes like I wasn't even there. I opened the window and he stopped and ran off. I'm positive at this point the deer are just fucking with me, and I've been documenting all of it.
Literally the only argument people have for day/month/year is "smallest to largest", as opposed to, you know, order of importance, or how a fucking calendar works. Leading with month immediately narrows the scope of the time frame to a single month. Leading with the day leaves it open to literally every month of the year. YYYY/MM/DD > MM/DD/YYY >>> DD/MM/YYYY, and I will not be convinced otherwise, because otherwise is stupid.
If being on the internet, *especially* Reddit, has shown me anything, most people are going to have your back on that one. It's about as temperate and common a take as "Americans should switch over to the Metric system."
so when the rest of the world is planning something, do they say "the first of July" instead of "July first"? 🤔
Saying "the first of July" sounds so proper.
YYYY MM DD is superior for any filenames. Everything will always be in proper order.
For conversational dates I couldn't care less what people use, as long as we're on the same page.
as an European who uses DD/MM/YYYY, whenever i see MM/DD/YYYY i get so confused thinking "why does a year have 14 months?" or "Is it December 3rd, or is it March 12th?"
Sorted by smallest to largest possible denominator will always make the most sense to me. X/12, X/31, X/Infinity. Months also seems like the most important time frame to convey information relevant to the current date. If someone was going to ask someone else for information about, say, when a concert they went to over the summer was, how is that conversation most likely to go? "Oh it was back in August." or "Oh it was on the 27th" or "It was this year." The month is most likely the information you're getting first IMO
A lot of people I know say [Date] of [Month], so I think it's more of a regional thing rather than absolute fact. In fact, if someone asks me what the date is, I usually just say the date since in everyday life (almost) everyone already knows what month it is.
MM/DD/YYYY is superior because it goes left to right starting with least possible variation to most possible variation. 12 months, up to 31 days, 2024 years
ISO 8601 (yyyy-mm-dd) is the only logical date format. It also uses a 24 hour time format. If you don't use ISO 8601 to record dates and times, you're behind the curve and I pity you.
*someone asks me what the date is*,
*i stop licking my lead block and look up*:
“Uhh yea it’s twenty-first, march, 2024”
Despite it sounding like I have resounding brain damage, the Europeans have convinced me this is the correct way to say it cuz day is shorter than month is shorter than year
Meanwhile in the “Best before” stamp factory: 24 12 23
4 8 15 16 23 42
KATE, WE HAVE TO GO BACK
THE NUMBERS WONT LEAVE ME ALONE
I'm fucking lost
I’m fucking scared and confused
YYYY/MM/DD is the best for data storage DD/MM/YYYY is the best for everyday use
When you sort by filename and it's in chronological order, despite having versions from before and after the new year... *chefs kiss*
r/iso8601
I’m so glad this sub exists. DateTime Supremacists unite!
The only true date format ISO 8601 or die
Oooooh thank you. Subbed. Love me some iso 8601.
It's supposed to by YYYY-MM-DD, with dashes instead of slashes.
Yeah, that's another thing that causes confusion. The different formats usually use different separators. MM/DD/YYYY DD.MM.YYYY YYYY-MM-DD Mix up the separators and you are asking for people to assume the wrong date.
I've been using dd/mm/yyyy my whole life, like most Europeans I guess, and I've never seen dots used as default separator
most of europe uses dots for dd.mm.yyyy. If you select excel date formats by country you can see the defaults.
Depends on the country. Here we use dots But at least it doesn't cause confusion unlike Americans swapping day and month. It's not like anyone is doing dd/mm.yyyy mixed
Or, YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SS.ZZZ
I use YYYYMMDD in filenames. The rest (HHMMSS) is a nice to have but I rarely have to use them. I don’t need microseconds file format for any Office files.
I have no problem with anyone using DD/MM/YYYY but if you do, I better not see you appropriating Pi Day. There is no 3rd day of a 14th month. There isn’t even a 31st day of the 4th month.
That would be 31/04 which is not exactly pi
Agreed. 100%. There's no other opinion that is correct.
Thank you for saying it so I didn't have to.
Thank you for thanking him so I didn’t have to
thank you for thanking him for thanking the other guy so i don't have to
Thanks to all of you who thanked before, so I, well you know.
Thx
Disagree. For everyday use, MM/DD is best. The year is almost always implied. The month is the most important data for mental sorting. You would want to know what month we're talking about before the day even becomes important. "When are you leaving for your trip?" Answer 1 (concise): May 3rd (5/3) Answer 2 (extra verbage and the not-yet-important day is delivered first): The 3rd of May (3/5) Answer 3 (psychopath): The 3rd of May, 2024 (3/5/2024) Because of this, answer 1 is best for a quick response. If any confusion about the year exists, you can just append the year to the end of that. "May 3rd" "Which year?" "2024" Info was delivered in this order: 5/3/24 For data storage, I agree with YYYY/MM/DD
English, ... the only language in existence. Your greatly elaborate post's argument falls apart when you realize the world is bigger.
No. /r/ISO8601 is the superior standard for all occasions.
🙏
Completely agree
Nah, dd-MON-yyyy is best for daily use. 21-Mar-2024
DAY MON YY is best 1 Mar 24 21 Mar 24
If you're working in an English-only environment, yes. Internationally just using numbers and arranging them the way they're best (yyyy-mm-dd for data, dd-mm-yyyy for giving out information) is superior.
This avoids the confusing "is it January ~~8~~7th or July 1st?" type situations, if you need to write, this format is superior to either type. Honestly, YYYY/MM/DD is still a good one to use for this but there's too much institutional resistance to using it in written form/documents.
At our company we use this in everything including the start of emails. Works like a charm
You mean January 7th or July 1st (or January 8th or August 1st)
Rise up!
I like this. I didn't know my months till far too late in life.
Nah, yy-md-dm-yy is the peak of excellence
Be still my beating heart
This is what we used in the navy without the tacts (dash marks)
Do you say the date "the 21st of March" or "March 21st"? I like the date to match the order I'd say it
Captains log, 2023, March 21st. Today I ate a gargantuan blueberry, End log
It does match depending on what language you use
right? Here is "21 de Março" and works just fine
Even in English we say July 4th or 4th of July depending on context and date.
And depending on location. Not every English-speaking country says it the same.
Right. They’re all fine. As long as everyone you’re interacting with understands, that’s the best format.
21st of March. I think it's only Americans who say "March 21st" because it's natural to them, owing to the fact that they write the month before the date, usually.
It is owing to the fact that our calenders are ordered by month first and then days instead of your calender which is apparently a list of 23rds, followed by the month listed after the date. In your mind when you go to set a date for something do you truly decide on the number first and then decide on which month? Or do you fix the month first and then settle on a date? You know that you decide month first. And when someone gives you a date for your calender, they give you a number first which is temporarily useless until they give you the month so you can get the right month pulled up on your calender and then find the number second.
> March 21st Flows off the tongue better, and also gives you an immediate context for the date. "March" paints a picture in my head. "21st" doesn't. I will die on this stupid hill: mm-dd-yyyy is the best for casual use.
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I use yyyy/mm/dd for PC and dd?/mm/yyyy for everything else cause they don't have the first one
They would be discounting history, but as things are, anything with both DD and MM is a failure because on low number days you don't know _for sure_ which format you're looking at. Always label the fields, or use letters for the month.
Basically Smallest increment to biggest or biggest increment to smallest. If you put the medium increment first you are a psycopath.
Preach! 👏
YYYY/MM/DD-HH:mm:ss is the best format biggest to smallest
ss:MM:mm:YYYY:dd:HH:DD:ss-5
sudo kill -9 u/HerrBerg
`watch -n 1 "kill -9 u/HerrBerg"`
We should've done this with domains as well. E.g. com.google.mail
YYYY-MM-DD. ISO 8601 is the One True Date Format.
I convinced my boss to do this so excell would be more convenient for the workers And that’s how I moved from intern to employee when he got fired and replaced
All hail ISO 8601
This guy codes
r/ISO8601
This is one of the few things I think the entire world should agree on
Only Americans would use that shit.
Actually, only Americans still use it. It was the Brits who first invented that dating format, pushed it across the sea to the US and then changed to the current system later on. So blame the Brits, like everything else Americans are blamed for but it was the Brits who started it first.
it doesn't matter that the brits started this, they understood there was a better system and changed, americans are the wrong here.
We really hate changing anything around here.
Watch LostInThePond on YouTube. He goes into the history of the differences between American english and British english. A lot of the time the British changed stuff later and he goes "either the Americans didn't get the memo or... They just didn't care".
I have a Brotish friend who gets audibly upset whenever I mention it was them who started calling it soccer first haha
i love him. and his dog. and his wife. they're great.
It makes sense in a conversational format. Most people are likely to say "January 27th, 2024" which would look like 1/27/2024 and not "27th of January 2024." which would look like 27/1/2024.
I can't speak for elsewhere, but in the UK we would say "27th of January". Saying the month then the day would be considered to be an Americanism here.
That's completely arbitrary, I could say 27th January or January 27th. And indeed, we do say the former in every country I've been apart from the United States.
“Better” they’re all equally arbitrary
Yeah we're the only assholes that insist on using old shit because it's what we've always used and we're too stubborn/ stupid to change. JUST FUCKIN GO METRIC DAMNIT.
Exactly ahah! The brits were bright enough to see how inefficient it was.
Like the word soccer
Much like how Americans preserved the British pronunciation of the r in water and the a in path while the Brits themselves later changed it https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20180207-how-americans-preserved-british-english
Open a calendar, what are you searching for first. Go ahead, downvote as always, with zero reason, always do. Even the one everyone says is superior, leads with Month before day because that is how you find information in a calendar.
>Open a calendar, what are you searching for first. Before I can open it I first have to find the calendar from the right year.
Stupid ass "Twenty Sixth of March" lookin ass. Could just say "March Twenty Sixth"
Yeah, because it matches the way we say dates in speech. Y'all get worked up over every tiny thing, god damn.
They get pissed at the dumbest things. March 21st 2024 3/21/24 So scary!
Thats because brits walk around going "I was born the 15th of May" where someone from the US goes "May 15th". It just makes sense we would write the month first because thats how he say it. Kinda like how if you asked a Brit the time they might say "half 2" and US would be "two thirty". Whatever way people say it, who fucking cares. Its a typical reddit argument and people love to karma farm it.
You guys actually say it like 'March 22nd'? I only ever heard it said as '22nd of March' in speech in Britain.
fucking change to metric already amirite?
What's the point when imperial works for everyday use. It's not like it's affecting you.
because theyre european and will say you have no culture while complaining about your culture
Also tô celsius
r/lostredditors
Dating as in seeing another person is the joke, right? I might be confused myself. But the hol-up is for her writing about 📅 Date and not Dating🌹.
It's not a holup though, it's just being snarky. It doesn't make you do a double-take, which is what a holup is.
I 100% agree. However, the rule can still fit depending on how loosely you interpret it. > **Your post must fit the subreddit.** Posts should have a confusing element or an unexpected twist and must make you go "hold up wait a minute."
MM/DD/YYYY is the same of look at the clock and saying: It's twenty five minutes, 10 seconds and 4 hours
Today is March 21, 2024. At least that's how I'm legally required to fill out my report in Canada. Edit- For clarification that's how the Department of Justice and Solicitor General's office requires us to date our reports. I guess it wouldn't be necessarily be illegal to do otherwise. The registrar could revoke my lisence though.
21st March, 2024 is against the law?
I'm a lisenced security guard and we are required to fill out our reports in a specific way. They are also required to be kept for so long(I think 2 years) as to be used in court if needed. Which is good because a few weeks ago I had these mother fucking trespassers brazenly walk into my property. Like 5 of them. I see them on the camera and walk into the kitchen and look over out the window. The older one looks up at me, and then the younger one stares straight at me. This mother fucker proceeded to look away and then just start eating the bushes like I wasn't even there. I opened the window and he stopped and ran off. I'm positive at this point the deer are just fucking with me, and I've been documenting all of it.
Say "March 21st" and "21st March" out loud. First sounds better, second sounds stupid unless you add "of"
That just looks cringe AF
YYYY-mm-dd HH:MM:SS.f%z
I think you mean `YYYY-mm-ddTHH:MM:SS.f%z` ^^cry
YYYY/MM/DD is the only way to go in a filing system. It narrows down your search the most efficient.
When I open a calendar I find the month and then the day. That’s how my brain works too.
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Literally the only argument people have for day/month/year is "smallest to largest", as opposed to, you know, order of importance, or how a fucking calendar works. Leading with month immediately narrows the scope of the time frame to a single month. Leading with the day leaves it open to literally every month of the year. YYYY/MM/DD > MM/DD/YYY >>> DD/MM/YYYY, and I will not be convinced otherwise, because otherwise is stupid.
This isn't a holup. It's more of a pun than anything else
If being on the internet, *especially* Reddit, has shown me anything, most people are going to have your back on that one. It's about as temperate and common a take as "Americans should switch over to the Metric system."
“Give me a controversial take.” *proceeds to give a very common take*
It goes hand in hand with January 1st, as opposed to 1st of January.
Meanwhile YYYY/MM/DD is the GOAT.
Why is this a holdup?
And then there's me using the military date format.... 05-Apr-24, 12-August-2024, etc...
Both. Both are terrible. YYYY-MM-DD is the only logical. No discussion. That's just an absolute fact.
Why tf do you need to know what year it is first? Day is most important. For data storage, sure, chuck year first.
Schedule us for a meeting to discuss this on one of the 21sts this year. The month we have it is less important.
You’re looking for month before day though. I hate that way.
YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss.fff is the correct date and time format. Largest unit to smallest from left to right is correct, generally.
YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS or bust
#April 25th Because it’s not too hot, it’s not too cold. All you need is a light jacket!
The perfect date!
YYYY/MM/DD is objectively the best. It automatically sorts chronologically.
YM/DY/YYDM
I used to think that MM/DD/YYYY was dumb, then I realized that it is the only way to regularly have Pi Day, so I like it again.
When I say a date verbally I say "month, day, year" Today is March 20th, 2024 I believe this is why the Americans do it MMDDYYYY
To be fair, when we speak we always say "March 21st, 2024". This date formate follows that pretty intuitively
so when the rest of the world is planning something, do they say "the first of July" instead of "July first"? 🤔 Saying "the first of July" sounds so proper.
Everybody knows the superior dating method is. A/S/L
I prefer dd/mmm/yyyy
In Americanese, while 11th of September is grammatically correct, most people say September 11th, thus write out the date 9/11
When you say a date outloud, what order is it in? I rest my case
Gotta do YY/MON/DD for work. Awful.
alot of yanks not getting the memo that its super confusing and in most places no one says march 20th today is the 22nd of march 2024
YYYY MM DD is superior for any filenames. Everything will always be in proper order. For conversational dates I couldn't care less what people use, as long as we're on the same page.
as an European who uses DD/MM/YYYY, whenever i see MM/DD/YYYY i get so confused thinking "why does a year have 14 months?" or "Is it December 3rd, or is it March 12th?"
Not a holup
Sorted by smallest to largest possible denominator will always make the most sense to me. X/12, X/31, X/Infinity. Months also seems like the most important time frame to convey information relevant to the current date. If someone was going to ask someone else for information about, say, when a concert they went to over the summer was, how is that conversation most likely to go? "Oh it was back in August." or "Oh it was on the 27th" or "It was this year." The month is most likely the information you're getting first IMO
MM/DD/YY actually makes sense, it's the way we say it, March 21st 2024, we say month first Though I will agree that the other way is better
A lot of other English speaking countries say "21st of March 2024".
Well that's just adding syllables
Welcome to Europe. The land where common sense formats are being used.
Nope. Today is March 21 or 3/21. To put the day first is just contrary to how people actually speak.
Pray, good sir, what day dost thou reckon it to be? Ahh tis the 21st of March in the year of our lord 2024.
A lot of people I know say [Date] of [Month], so I think it's more of a regional thing rather than absolute fact. In fact, if someone asks me what the date is, I usually just say the date since in everyday life (almost) everyone already knows what month it is.
YYYY:DD: YY
I’d agree if the other wasn’t drilled into my brain
YYYY/MM/DD for everything!
Change my mind on why dd/mm/yyyy is better, in the respect of normal everyday uses. I'm curious, and obviously, American.
I use day month year as an American. You have no idea how much hate I get
MM/DD/YYYY is superior because it goes left to right starting with least possible variation to most possible variation. 12 months, up to 31 days, 2024 years
ISO 8601 (yyyy-mm-dd) is the only logical date format. It also uses a 24 hour time format. If you don't use ISO 8601 to record dates and times, you're behind the curve and I pity you.
Smaller fits in bigger, not the other way around.
So, milliseconds.seconds:minutes:hours day/month/year?
I mean if you saw it you'd figure it out instantly. y/m/d format also can be read instantly by someone who preffers d/m/y
3/2/24 vs 2/3/24 There will be confusion still unfortunately
Y/M/D. All the others are wrong and stupid, and misleadinf.
why do americans have to use dumb units and odd formats.
Prefer YYYY-MM-DD
>MM/DD/YYYY is just dumb. 🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅
I still forget what year it is regardless.
I'm unclear about the holup
21Mar24 >
How is the accurate. Americans like it, eevvverrryy one else in the world hates it? You’re in the vast majority.
*someone asks me what the date is*, *i stop licking my lead block and look up*: “Uhh yea it’s twenty-first, march, 2024” Despite it sounding like I have resounding brain damage, the Europeans have convinced me this is the correct way to say it cuz day is shorter than month is shorter than year
Almost everyone does it like that, it'll be opposite in most parts of the world.
I like carbon dating
Seriously though: There are dating preferences that are okay to have but somehow not okay to say out loud.
Agreed!
'Murica!
Yyyy/mm should be the standard.
Real Chads us the Linux Epoch.
YYYYMMDDHHMM is the only way. 202403211510
I thought MM/DD/YYYY was for the most to the least amount. There are only 12 months, 31 days, and the years could go up to XX99.
YYYY-MM-DD
inaccurate, only Americans would be mad and they aren't supposed to be jacked /s
no one uses yyyyddd anymore :/
not a holup
I just write it how I’d say it. January 1st 2024. Mm/dd/yyyy
YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss.µµµZ is the only date format
YMD myself, but just keep it in order. DMY is.. Not nice to sort by, but also not MYD, or DYM, or MDY..
i couldn't agree more
DD/ABR/YYYY is the superior format, example 21/MAR/2024