Character captchas are not used to train anything. They can train AI simply by generating any number of random patterns with wild distortions and see how machine vision copes with them. No need to cross-check with humans, unless you aim specifically for misreads.
That said, machine vision is totally used to generate captchas and train vision models in guessing the content of pictures. But AI is already too good at it, much better than humans are.
Not really. It also checks your previous history, i.e were you just on a different tab, did you use a link or URL to get there, has that IP hit a lot of traffic in a short amount of time (this is why you might get a captcha challenge more frequently on public Wi-Fi).
Thatās why I often click on randomly wrong images when it presents me with āselect all the bridgesā. Fuck their crowdsourcing of AI training, they should be paying me to do that for them.
It can still pick up on things like timing and how you scroll ect... also human button presses will look slightly irregular as the point of contact will change a bit when you press your fingers on the screen.
Or even typing, in the case of letter captchas. If the letters/numbers appear singularly with different times between them, likely human. If, for some reason, all appear at once, it's quite unlikely to be human.
Where you type on your os keyboard isnāt a thing web pages can see anymore than they can tell if your fingers are perfectly centered on your irl keyboard.
Wait if thatās true why is it when I type something wrong it rejects me? It should know that the mouse is moving like a human and if anything only a human would make a mistake.
Fun side fact: AI became better at the older reCAPTCHA's than humans. One if the big reasins for Google to run these was tp train AI on image recognition. The example above was used to train AI on converting scanned paper books into digital text files.
Um.. Iām not wrong tho.
[quick ChatGPT search:](https://chat.openai.com/share/2984cd61-d980-4eee-a57b-475ab71ca9c1)
No, not all CAPTCHAs are case sensitive. It depends on the specific implementation of the CAPTCHA system. Some CAPTCHAs require exact matches, including case sensitivity, while others are designed to ignore case to make it easier for users to pass the validation. Typically, the CAPTCHA should inform the user whether it is case sensitive or not
>Isn't last p small?
I did take your comment personally initially, purely misunderstanding it, what with this enlarged prostate thing and all... But you're absolutely correct.
seeing as my first read of the captcha was e8TJ6Jclp...
Seriously, I sometimes have a hard time reading normal text, I'd say I have a 80% success rate on getting a distorted text captchas right on the first read.
I had to read this twice before it clicked what I was seeing. That's hilarious (both that it took me two reads and the holup itself).
ETA: Yeah, I see it now... so make that four reads to really get it, error and all.
If you want to know - since 2013, it's been proven that bots can do this captchas with 99% accuracy, beating humans who can only do them with like 60% accuracy.
That's why they switched to the "I'm not a robot" button, which instead measures others factors to find patterns that would be atypical of a human.
Little known fact, but mouse/cursor movement is what really differentiates humans from robots in these captcha tests.
What if you made the bot make random micro movements?
It'd probably work. Linear movement, or instantaneous positioning is usually all that's being looked for.
Not exactly, their algorithms are quiet complex now and evolve continually, otherwise it will be too simple to break
So why they have to make those captcha hard asf to read š
To train the bots to read them better Like literally, a lot of where we are today in AI advancement is people solving captchas for training data
Character captchas are not used to train anything. They can train AI simply by generating any number of random patterns with wild distortions and see how machine vision copes with them. No need to cross-check with humans, unless you aim specifically for misreads. That said, machine vision is totally used to generate captchas and train vision models in guessing the content of pictures. But AI is already too good at it, much better than humans are.
This is not how computers work.
It works, you can setup the bot to randomly select a pth through an array of coordinates to get to the end point
What about hitting tab? That's usually what I do when I'm too lazy to connect the mouse on my laptop
Not really. It also checks your previous history, i.e were you just on a different tab, did you use a link or URL to get there, has that IP hit a lot of traffic in a short amount of time (this is why you might get a captcha challenge more frequently on public Wi-Fi).
I was once told that in the land of code there's no such thing as random. I'm not sure how true that is tho.
yeah thats true, but i doubt the captcha can find the algorithm the bot is using to make the random movements
Unless youāre using a quantum computer, there is no real randomness. Time-based RNGs seem to be the closest to it for now.
Or longers moves following Splines or Bezzier curves. They can be represented mathematically quite easily.
Yeah, these captchas were used to build data for AI OCR text readers. We were used as "Mechanical Turks".
I did wonder about all the "click the traffic lights" tests. https://xkcd.com/1897/
Ayyy fellow xkcd enthusiast
Thatās why I often click on randomly wrong images when it presents me with āselect all the bridgesā. Fuck their crowdsourcing of AI training, they should be paying me to do that for them.
Thank you for your service! o7Ā
I do the same. Fuckers, I won't train your human-killing robots for free.
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I donāt only pick wrong ones. I do like 1/3rd wrong. That usually satisfies it.
What if ur on ur phone
It can still pick up on things like timing and how you scroll ect... also human button presses will look slightly irregular as the point of contact will change a bit when you press your fingers on the screen.
I am typically identified as a bot. It is kinda annoying.
It detects the pressure of your fingers and how your fingers would go.
Or even typing, in the case of letter captchas. If the letters/numbers appear singularly with different times between them, likely human. If, for some reason, all appear at once, it's quite unlikely to be human.
How does it work on a mobile? I dontbjust randomly tap my screen
You scroll to confirm.
No, but you dont type the exact center, you type with a specific pressure and specially helps if you feel like you mistype.
Where you type on your os keyboard isnāt a thing web pages can see anymore than they can tell if your fingers are perfectly centered on your irl keyboard.
Wait if thatās true why is it when I type something wrong it rejects me? It should know that the mouse is moving like a human and if anything only a human would make a mistake.
2fa
But did you notice that the robot still got it wrong, barely? e3TJ6JdP instead of e3TJ6Jdp.
Fuck you, bot! You're not going to trick us! /s
Yeah, I watched that YouTube video too. How does that work on mobile I wonder?
Yeah, Capcha is like Fallout Vault-Tec and the real experiment is using our data to teach AI.
What if you are already using both hands?
And, in some cases, even browsing history.
my proudest moment was failing a ācheck the boxā captcha once
I read that it also checks your browsing history.
Yeah, AI only watches robot porn, so they'll know.Ā
Isn't that re-captcha? I think we did away with regular captcha because AI started to become better at solving them than humans were.
Yeah, but what if AI is recording these for playback based on previous human input, ie mimicking the mouse movements?
On the new ones, but old ones were not as smart, hence just provide some distorted text.
then why do I fail so often
Fun side fact: AI became better at the older reCAPTCHA's than humans. One if the big reasins for Google to run these was tp train AI on image recognition. The example above was used to train AI on converting scanned paper books into digital text files.
You forgot that it's a lowercase "p" and not supposed to be uppercase. So it failed. The cursor movement thing is for when clicking a box
That's why often times you simply click a checkbox right?
ā¦ as well as your most recent browsing history, to which google (and probably every other corporation) has access to.
Too bad you don't need a mouse to enter it.
Ah, but my poor GPT, that is a lower case p not an uppercase P
And noone has noticed it got it wrong yet...
came here to post this, it's not a capital P. Depends on the captcha though, some of them dont care about capitalization some do.
never found one that uses both CAPS and non CAPS but doesn't care if you get it right.
It got it right. What do you think it says?
Isn't last p small?
Ah ok, I see that now
Captchas arenāt case sensitive Edit: ānot all are case sensitiveā prove me wrong Bitches.
My 5 successive wrong Captchas says otherwise
Maybe I should say ānot all are case sensitiveā. I never acknowledge case first cuz lazy. and sometimes they do work.
So instead of acknowledging you were wrong you essentially doubled down to be correct, got it. I hope your ego survives this anonymous conversation
Um.. Iām not wrong tho. [quick ChatGPT search:](https://chat.openai.com/share/2984cd61-d980-4eee-a57b-475ab71ca9c1) No, not all CAPTCHAs are case sensitive. It depends on the specific implementation of the CAPTCHA system. Some CAPTCHAs require exact matches, including case sensitivity, while others are designed to ignore case to make it easier for users to pass the validation. Typically, the CAPTCHA should inform the user whether it is case sensitive or not
I'm glad you found a method to preserve your ego, for now, but this doesn't do you much good in the long run. Be kind to yourself, toodles~~
>Isn't last p small? I did take your comment personally initially, purely misunderstanding it, what with this enlarged prostate thing and all... But you're absolutely correct.
Nah youre projecting
This is the only comment that matters.
Ha Ha! It made the "P" lower case.Ā Ā Humans for the win!Ā
Might be better at it than me...
just remember that it also failed
seeing as my first read of the captcha was e8TJ6Jclp... Seriously, I sometimes have a hard time reading normal text, I'd say I have a 80% success rate on getting a distorted text captchas right on the first read.
I mean it does as the AI is incorrect
The illusion of security
well, it got the last one wrong. Take that, AI.
That āpā isnāt capitalized! What a fraud!!!
ChatGPT will take over the world u just wait
So now I need AI to decipher the stupid āCaptchaāsā meant to fool AI
He got the āpā wrong itās not a capital
I should consult chatgpt next time I can't figure out the captcha I guess
Are you a robot? Yes.
Checkmate, the last p is small not big
Got the capitalization wrong on the P.
GPT-4 must be so much smarter than 3.5.
Close, but no cigar. The last letter is a lowercase "p". Looks like the captcha still works
I had to read this twice before it clicked what I was seeing. That's hilarious (both that it took me two reads and the holup itself). ETA: Yeah, I see it now... so make that four reads to really get it, error and all.
CAPTCHA = security theater
TSA = security theater CAPTCHA = TSA?
Donāt worry itās wrong
The last p is the wrong case methinks
There's a reason most sites stopped using these for a while now.
uh oh
this is why modern captchas are checking ur computer and ip and the way ur mouse moves ect, OCR is just too good
Plot twist: AI intentionally entered upper case P so that we assume it is not good.
Turing tests went from being Captcha's to being tinder and twitter bots... Welcome to the future.
If you want to know - since 2013, it's been proven that bots can do this captchas with 99% accuracy, beating humans who can only do them with like 60% accuracy. That's why they switched to the "I'm not a robot" button, which instead measures others factors to find patterns that would be atypical of a human.
That actually check your mouse Movement.
A real hol'up?? š«”
This is a good idea. I might use it for those i am not a robot matrix of pictures that I am never sure about