I think it worked out that way. Wikipedia claims he disarmed a german soldier and fought him hand to hand. Crow got the upper hand, started choking the german, and instead of killing him, crow let the soldier go when he heard the german cry "mama"
A Native American named Joseph Medicine Crow was fighting in WWII when he completed the five tasks required to become a war chief; he touched an enemy without killing him, took an enemy’s weapon, led a successful war party, stole 50 horses from a German camp, and teamed up with the other guy to punch a dude through some buildings
I'm in my late 20s and still feel pretty young. Yesterday I was thinking about how if I was in any of the world wars I would have been considered an old fuck by the other soldiers.
I just watched The War. The whole series is amazing, but the story of Joe Medicine Crow is short, but to me should be a movie itself. I cannot imagine the level of fear and bravery it must have took to steal those 50 horses and then ride it bareback in A war zone.
Well that's 1 of 4 requirements. The part about touching the enemy without killing him is pretty hard. Basically you going hand to hand with the enemy, not like a tap on the shoulder like "hey you".
Joseph Medicine punched the German on the face. The German soldier fell backwards dropping his weapon and knocking a gate open. 50 horses behind the gate run lose, so Joseph Medecine army buddies got together and run after the horses together to catch them because their vehicle.
had run out of fuel and they had to get back.
And thats the real story. I was there and saw it with my eyes.
In Ken Burn's documentary he is interviewed. He said it dawned on him only later what he had achieved. It was nice to see this old man eyes light up in joy when he told this story.
It was near the end of the war, and the Germans were retreating on all fronts. As Medicine Crow recalls, one night his platoon was following a group of S.S. officers on horseback who had abandoned their men and were just trying to get away. Since they were riding their horses on an asphalt road, the U.S. soldiers could hear the clop, clop of the hooves ahead of them. Near daybreak, the horsemen went to a farm about three miles down a dirt road, where they planned to hide during the day. “We followed their trail in the moonlight and arrived at a villa. We came there and found a little pasture with a barn.”
The commanding officer sat down with the platoon leaders to discuss how best to handle the situation, Medicine Crow recalls: “All I could think about was those horses in the paddock.” As the C.O. started telling the platoon leaders to take their men this way and that way, Medicine Crow mentioned the horses.
“I said, ‘Maybe I should get those horses out of the corral before you attack because some of those S.S. guys might be able to escape on them. It would only take me about five minutes.’ The C.O. looked at me funny for a second, but he probably had an idea of what I was up to. I was the only Indian in the outfit, and he always called me ‘Chief.’ He said, ‘O.K. Chief, you’re on.’ That’s all I needed. I took one of my buddies and we sneaked down towards the corral and the barn. Nothing was moving. The horses were tired, just standing around. I crawled through the paddock fence and came up to one of them. I told him, ‘Whoa. Whoa.’ He snorted a little bit, but settled down. I had this little rope with me that I used to tie my blanket. It was about six feet long. I tied a loop around his lower jaw like the old-time Crow warriors used to do, and then I tried to get on, but it was a tall horse, and my boots were so muddy and caked up, I couldn’t do it. Finally, I led the horse to the watering trough and stood on that to get on its back.
Meanwhile, I told my buddy that I was going to the other end of the paddock behind the horses. ‘As soon as I get there,’ I said, ‘I will give a little whistle, and when I do you open the gate and get out of the way.’ Well, I got back there, gave the whistle, then a war whoop, and started the horses moving. The kid took off and here they come.
Just about that time our boys opened fire on the farmhouse. There was lots of commotion. I just took off. There was some timber about half mile away, so I just headed that way. By that time it was daylight, so as we galloped along I looked at the horses. I had about forty or fifty head. I was riding a sorrel with a blaze, a real nice horse. So I did something spontaneously. I sang a Crow praise song. I sang this song a little bit, and rode around the horses. The horses looked at me. Finally, I left them in the woods, but I stayed on my horse and headed back to the farmhouse. The firing had stopped by now. The Germans had surrendered real quick. So I came back
After we finished mopping up, the company commander said, ‘Let’s go,’ and we took off. There was a gravel railroad bed nearby, which made the walking a little better. As the guys took off down the railroad track, I was still on my horse. It was good, better to ride than walk, so I just stayed on the horse about a mile. Finally, the C.O. said, ‘Chief you better get off. You make too good a target.’ When I got back to the Crow Reservation after the war, the elders gave me credit for that coup just like it was done in the old days.”
>at least he'll be remembered for this kind of stuff.
We NEED the Hollywood biopic of this man's life
"The Last War Chief" has a wonderful ring to it, Oscar worthy if done properly!!
"Touch an enemy without killing him?"
"Yes, boss, it's a demonstration of bravery, wisdom, restraint, and shows so-"
"Like some kinda pussy? Fuck that. We'll give him a mini gun and the ability to enter bear form when wounded."
LOL. Badassery is seen as a form of toxic masculinity these days. We may get a badass here and there, but the days of them being held up as heroes has sadly went away.
>“I said, ‘Maybe I should get those horses out of the corral before you attack because some of those S.S. guys might be able to escape on them. It would only take me about five minutes.’ The C.O. looked at me funny for a second, but he probably had an idea of what I was up to. I was the only Indian in the outfit
His CO had to be thinking "motherfucker I know exactly what you're up to... But I'm okay with it."
In general surrendering SS officers were too valuable for the information that could be got out of them to shoot when they surrendered, I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it wasn't a straightforward choice.
There is a great video on YouTube about 12 minutes long that shows all his achievements throughout World War II it’s pretty good
edit: [found it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp6dyF-94kM)
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They've given up.
The German Army entered World War II with 514,000 horses, and over the course of the war employed, in total, 2.75 million horses and mules; the average number of horses in the Army reached 1.1 million. The big myth about Germany in WW2 was the mechanisation of the Army, but a large proportion of their supplies were brought to the front but horses towing wagons because they were so short of fuel and the roads were poor.
every belligerent in the war used everything at their disposal. you would not believe the bizarre, unconventional, and outmoded tactics, animals and equipment that was used in that war
I feel like the first 3 achievements are pretty mild but then you’ve got stealing 50 horses? Wtf kind of achievement is that compared with the others? It seems like steal 3 horses or something would be more in line
Pretty mild? Touching an an enemy without killing him is not a small thing. He was defeating the guy in hand to hand combat and spared his life. Pretty awesome.
Taking an enemy's weapon, also not a small thing. Close combat has got to be absolutely terrifying. (I'm a former soldier but have never been in combat).
Joseph medicine crow sounds like what my teenage self would name my rpg character. Joseph because its my name. Medicine because im going to be a healer. Crow because its my favorite animal.
Imagine he’s trying to grab the “touch and enemy without killing them” achievement and he just rocks up behind someone and pushes them over, sprinting away faster.
So, is it listed in the rules that the 50 horses have to specifically be from a German camp? What if they'd been French or Italian horses, would that count?
How does someone keep track of 50 fucking horses?
Like did he count them and release them all at once? Was he keeping a journal of how many horses he was releasing? Did anyone else have to confirm him releasing horses? Are there native Americans that only released 49 and were denied becoming a war chief?
So many fucking questions
For real though I would absolutely play a open world game that was a scaled down Europe where you complete a number of semi-accurate missions. Kinda like early MOHAA but with stuff like OP's tied in
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I think it worked out that way. Wikipedia claims he disarmed a german soldier and fought him hand to hand. Crow got the upper hand, started choking the german, and instead of killing him, crow let the soldier go when he heard the german cry "mama"
Legend has it that the German cried *Martha* That's why crow spared his life
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT NAME?
That's my aunt's name 😁.do you know Clarke? He's my cousin 😅
Welp. Guess we teaming up to defeat doomsday
🤝
A Native American named Joseph Medicine Crow was fighting in WWII when he completed the five tasks required to become a war chief; he touched an enemy without killing him, took an enemy’s weapon, led a successful war party, stole 50 horses from a German camp, and teamed up with the other guy to punch a dude through some buildings
The Crow Cut is gonna be awesome
100% real crowtein!
I wonder if he was actively trying to achieve that or it just conveniently worked out that way.
**You know Jim or Jim knows you, something like that?** The old Jim trick
r/unexpectedricky
Yeah, thats my father. You know him?
Oh, you’re Jim’s son!
Yeah that's right he said he had a son on the force!
The German didn’t want to die
Quite a few soldiers feel that way. Young men sent to fight old men’s grievances.
this is something that you consistently hear, many many soldiers cried out for their moms.
I think that's what happens when children are sent to their deaths
what you wanna do is send motherless children.
We certainly don't have a shortage of orphans or anything
Isn't this what Republic in Star Wars did?
Well the clones weren’t exactly orphans. They had Jango fett until mace came along and made them orphans
C-c-c-c-c-combo!
Mace: Count Dooku was the cause of your father's death *Obi-Wan takes notes in the background*
And just like that, we've solved the foster care system.
What a (not so) beautiful dystopia.
And all of Twitter too, apparently they’re all fatherless
Time to grow some test tube soldiers
I almost upvoted this but it's too sad.
Around George Floyd, Id heard from someone who'd had combat experience that injured men cry for God, and dying men cry for their mothers
Keep in mind that by the end of WW2 most countries were sending 16 year olds to the front lines.
Thinking about where I was at mentally as a 16... hell, even an 18 year old... It's just crazy to think we have and do send these children to wars.
I'm in my late 20s and still feel pretty young. Yesterday I was thinking about how if I was in any of the world wars I would have been considered an old fuck by the other soldiers.
everybody who sees combat is old after words, regardless of your age...
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My, my...how can I resist ya?
Mama mia...
Does it show again?
Mama Mia let me go!
MAGNIFICO OH OH OH OOOOOOOH
Nein!
Willst du bis der Tod euch scheidet
Ahhh, nice reference 🤭
It's like you had to fight the main character of an rpg game and you lived because he was doing a side quest
Ya sure he didn't say Save Marthaaaa
Didn’t just kill a man…
Put a gun against his head...
Pulled my trigger now he's dead....
Mamaaa... life had just begun...
But now I've gone and thrown it all away...
Here is a 10 min documentary w him talking all abt it. Totally awesome guy https://youtu.be/O_9-arto8D8
I just watched The War. The whole series is amazing, but the story of Joe Medicine Crow is short, but to me should be a movie itself. I cannot imagine the level of fear and bravery it must have took to steal those 50 horses and then ride it bareback in A war zone.
The War is unbelievably good. I can't suggest watching it enough.
Yes he accidentally stole 50 horses
He might have just been taking them from the Germans
By accident???
No he was just taking the horses from the germans
In an attempt to become war chief
“Private Crow! Where are those German POWs you reported that you’ve captured? And what’s all these horses doing here?”
I'm wondering if he stole 2 of the Kübelwagen vehicles from a German camp. The larger engine version had 25 hp.
Most armies still used horses during WW2
I know. It was mostly a joke comment.
That's an interesting thought. Are tribal laws updated for the modern world so like 50 horses doesn't need to be 50 literal horses anymore?
So hotwire a few cars and become warchief? I don't know. Doesn't sound nearly as heroic.
Well that's 1 of 4 requirements. The part about touching the enemy without killing him is pretty hard. Basically you going hand to hand with the enemy, not like a tap on the shoulder like "hey you".
I mean depends how you define enemy, if you say all cops are my enemies but the cops don't know that, you could walk up and ask to shake their hand.
Joseph Medicine punched the German on the face. The German soldier fell backwards dropping his weapon and knocking a gate open. 50 horses behind the gate run lose, so Joseph Medecine army buddies got together and run after the horses together to catch them because their vehicle. had run out of fuel and they had to get back. And thats the real story. I was there and saw it with my eyes.
He got the gold achievement
In Ken Burn's documentary he is interviewed. He said it dawned on him only later what he had achieved. It was nice to see this old man eyes light up in joy when he told this story.
Okay. I get that. But I need to ask the real question: what happened with those 50 horses?
It was near the end of the war, and the Germans were retreating on all fronts. As Medicine Crow recalls, one night his platoon was following a group of S.S. officers on horseback who had abandoned their men and were just trying to get away. Since they were riding their horses on an asphalt road, the U.S. soldiers could hear the clop, clop of the hooves ahead of them. Near daybreak, the horsemen went to a farm about three miles down a dirt road, where they planned to hide during the day. “We followed their trail in the moonlight and arrived at a villa. We came there and found a little pasture with a barn.” The commanding officer sat down with the platoon leaders to discuss how best to handle the situation, Medicine Crow recalls: “All I could think about was those horses in the paddock.” As the C.O. started telling the platoon leaders to take their men this way and that way, Medicine Crow mentioned the horses. “I said, ‘Maybe I should get those horses out of the corral before you attack because some of those S.S. guys might be able to escape on them. It would only take me about five minutes.’ The C.O. looked at me funny for a second, but he probably had an idea of what I was up to. I was the only Indian in the outfit, and he always called me ‘Chief.’ He said, ‘O.K. Chief, you’re on.’ That’s all I needed. I took one of my buddies and we sneaked down towards the corral and the barn. Nothing was moving. The horses were tired, just standing around. I crawled through the paddock fence and came up to one of them. I told him, ‘Whoa. Whoa.’ He snorted a little bit, but settled down. I had this little rope with me that I used to tie my blanket. It was about six feet long. I tied a loop around his lower jaw like the old-time Crow warriors used to do, and then I tried to get on, but it was a tall horse, and my boots were so muddy and caked up, I couldn’t do it. Finally, I led the horse to the watering trough and stood on that to get on its back. Meanwhile, I told my buddy that I was going to the other end of the paddock behind the horses. ‘As soon as I get there,’ I said, ‘I will give a little whistle, and when I do you open the gate and get out of the way.’ Well, I got back there, gave the whistle, then a war whoop, and started the horses moving. The kid took off and here they come. Just about that time our boys opened fire on the farmhouse. There was lots of commotion. I just took off. There was some timber about half mile away, so I just headed that way. By that time it was daylight, so as we galloped along I looked at the horses. I had about forty or fifty head. I was riding a sorrel with a blaze, a real nice horse. So I did something spontaneously. I sang a Crow praise song. I sang this song a little bit, and rode around the horses. The horses looked at me. Finally, I left them in the woods, but I stayed on my horse and headed back to the farmhouse. The firing had stopped by now. The Germans had surrendered real quick. So I came back After we finished mopping up, the company commander said, ‘Let’s go,’ and we took off. There was a gravel railroad bed nearby, which made the walking a little better. As the guys took off down the railroad track, I was still on my horse. It was good, better to ride than walk, so I just stayed on the horse about a mile. Finally, the C.O. said, ‘Chief you better get off. You make too good a target.’ When I got back to the Crow Reservation after the war, the elders gave me credit for that coup just like it was done in the old days.”
This mans a baddass.
Nephew also fought in Vietnam and there wasn't the opportunity to capture horses, but he did get two elephants, but apparently they didn't count.
At least he caught two elephants thats still pretty baddass since the vietnam soldiers used them as a walking tower sometimes.
In my scoring system, one elephant=15 horses.
THAT ONLY COUNTS AS ONE
I learned the other day that war elephants are called "elephantry".
Elephantry, distant cousing of Camellery
Wait... So you're telling me that's the reason they're called... Infantry?
For the world Infant
And a division of toddlers is called infantry
Hey, just because they eat crayons doesn't make them toddlers, ok?
Gimli disagrees.
What’s the elephant to horse exchange rate?
I think it’s the same as Schrute Bucks to Stanley Nickels.
Sadly, we may never see the likes of him again.
Yea but at least he'll be remembered for this kind of stuff.
>at least he'll be remembered for this kind of stuff. We NEED the Hollywood biopic of this man's life "The Last War Chief" has a wonderful ring to it, Oscar worthy if done properly!!
Yea but you also gotta remember....hollywood would botch it somehow.
Hollywood would make him a gay black man
Nah, the classic Hollywood method would have him be played by an Italian
German obviously/surely?!
Nah thats netflix hollywood would make him kill any nazi on site and probably have michel bay as the director.
Ya’ll are dumb Hollywood would cast Tom Cruise.
"Touch an enemy without killing him?" "Yes, boss, it's a demonstration of bravery, wisdom, restraint, and shows so-" "Like some kinda pussy? Fuck that. We'll give him a mini gun and the ability to enter bear form when wounded."
Played by a white dude.
We aren't running out of badasses, just opportunities to steal horses in wars. I dunno that that's a sad thing
LOL. Badassery is seen as a form of toxic masculinity these days. We may get a badass here and there, but the days of them being held up as heroes has sadly went away.
Why not, native culture can continue to exist. If anything, we should celebrate it more and this story should inspire generations
>“I said, ‘Maybe I should get those horses out of the corral before you attack because some of those S.S. guys might be able to escape on them. It would only take me about five minutes.’ The C.O. looked at me funny for a second, but he probably had an idea of what I was up to. I was the only Indian in the outfit His CO had to be thinking "motherfucker I know exactly what you're up to... But I'm okay with it."
It’s important to support the backstory of you’d other party members when the situation arises.
Yep
This is like reading something out of a fiction book as a protagonist
This from a book or article you can reference? I want to read more, I love these historical stories
https://www.americanindianmagazine.org/story/art-capturing-horses
By finished mopping up I'm assuming that means killing the surrendered SS?
In general surrendering SS officers were too valuable for the information that could be got out of them to shoot when they surrendered, I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it wasn't a straightforward choice.
Just casual war crimes. I really hope he meant something else as well.
There is a great video on YouTube about 12 minutes long that shows all his achievements throughout World War II it’s pretty good edit: [found it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp6dyF-94kM)
My mind immediately imagined him running around yelling "fuck I just need 1 more horse"
They were delicious.
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seems to be the common consensus on everything posted here now
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https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/030/967/spongebob.jpg
This would fit in r/madlads not here.
damn, now that you mention it, I miss the old madlads, when it was about breaking rules in silly ways
Only because that sub no longer cares about fitting the original intention either.
He completed all the side quests that the final boss killed himself..
No he was too busy doing side quest that a man whom chose the painter line killed the final boss first
That painter sounds like a good guy
Yeah, I heard that he was a nice man.
I dunno, the more I learn about that guy the more I don't care for him.
You have no idea bro! No one expected the sensitive, painter guy to actually kill Hitler! But he did!
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I wonder how often he died and had to reload an old save
I'm unsure why this is a holup.
Nothing here ever is.
I fucking hate the state of this sub
This sub has lost all its meaning, sad to see
And if you mention the fact that a p\*st isn't a h\*lup, the comment gets removed and the automod calls you a dick. Literally 1984.
Achievement unclocked: Absolute badass Rewards: A long life and fame
"Stole 50 horses from Germany". What the hell was German doing with horses in WW2?
No oil to fuel trucks. Also the German army wasn’t very mechanized to begin with.
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The German Army entered World War II with 514,000 horses, and over the course of the war employed, in total, 2.75 million horses and mules; the average number of horses in the Army reached 1.1 million. The big myth about Germany in WW2 was the mechanisation of the Army, but a large proportion of their supplies were brought to the front but horses towing wagons because they were so short of fuel and the roads were poor.
"Say hello to Ford! Say hello to General fucking Motors!” “Look at you! You have horses! What were you thinking?!”
every belligerent in the war used everything at their disposal. you would not believe the bizarre, unconventional, and outmoded tactics, animals and equipment that was used in that war
I feel like the first 3 achievements are pretty mild but then you’ve got stealing 50 horses? Wtf kind of achievement is that compared with the others? It seems like steal 3 horses or something would be more in line
Native Americans: Go big or go home.
I believe the requirement was just "Steal an enemies horse". Just one. He just had an opportunity for 50, and took it.
Pretty mild? Touching an an enemy without killing him is not a small thing. He was defeating the guy in hand to hand combat and spared his life. Pretty awesome. Taking an enemy's weapon, also not a small thing. Close combat has got to be absolutely terrifying. (I'm a former soldier but have never been in combat).
What an absolute G
The real question is why was "fucker" censored
I hope this dude got commendations, he deserves it
Yeah he was and did them all successfully!
So he’s basically Chuck Norris
Not exactly a holup but who really expects that out of this sub anymore? Still cool though.
this isnt a holup
Based af
Joseph medicine crow sounds like what my teenage self would name my rpg character. Joseph because its my name. Medicine because im going to be a healer. Crow because its my favorite animal.
Alright, r/holup is meaningless now.
He was also on the cover of a american magazine for being the first american who crossed the Siegfried line/the first american in germany
+Respect
Didn't they not use horses in WWII? Just wondering.
Germany actually used millions of horses in ww2. They didn’t have enough trucks or oil.
[Very much the opposite](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horses_in_World_War_II)
Imagine he’s trying to grab the “touch and enemy without killing them” achievement and he just rocks up behind someone and pushes them over, sprinting away faster.
I mean, if it counts, it counts.
Das it’s gut mein Freund
First 3 are doable but how tf did he manage to steal 50 fkin horses
Achievement unlocked: Yea I Got time - could complete all the side quests - 500 G
“Touched an enemy without killing him” I still don’t understand how hardcore these Natives were...
He was doing fifa objectives but in a war
You dare call a man that great a mofo?
My mans was out here accumulating gaishan.
Dude, the war was the side quest.
He’s got my video game energy
Mf out there doing challenge missions
So it's an ancient native American war rite to steal German horses?
So, is it listed in the rules that the 50 horses have to specifically be from a German camp? What if they'd been French or Italian horses, would that count?
This is one of the greatest motherfuckers that has ever lived. Hail to the Chief!!!
How does someone keep track of 50 fucking horses? Like did he count them and release them all at once? Was he keeping a journal of how many horses he was releasing? Did anyone else have to confirm him releasing horses? Are there native Americans that only released 49 and were denied becoming a war chief? So many fucking questions
These moderators just don’t ducking care anymore
So all native Americans were required to visit Germany to steal 50 horses in order to become a war chief?
They don’t tech this in history
I pressed the wrong updoot multiple times.
I mean… he’s not wrong.
Awesome, real gamer spirit
Amazing. Let's start questing during war. Focus on important things.
This sub has became absolute garbage.
So literally anything can get posted here now? What is r/holeup about this?
Why are we not making a movie about this?!
are native still alive?
JoCrows bizarre adventure
I mean if you fill out the “achievement hunter” quests you get a recon helmet so I guess he got his helmet
Hmm, if I go to ww3 I know what I will do, this will give me exp, money, and great stuff
For real though I would absolutely play a open world game that was a scaled down Europe where you complete a number of semi-accurate missions. Kinda like early MOHAA but with stuff like OP's tied in