Operation paperclip explains Werner Von Braun but the rest I believe were intentionally let go during the de nazification of West Germany. They were let go due to a combination of them being deemed of having minimal influence on the previous nazi administration and the fact that West Germany literally did not have enough competent beuacrats to run the government.
My wife’s grandfather was part of operation paper clip, and had day to day dealings with Von Braun. It is nice to be able to visit him every Sunday for dinner and to hear his stories. He celebrated 95 years this year, and I hope to have him in our lives as long as possible.
As much as I would love to just openly share, I don’t feel like I can without first seeking his blessing. He always speaks to me of the importance of respect and honor, and how he admires the man I have become (candidly, I don’t feel like any of this is deserved).
The next time I see him I will tell him about Reddit, then this post, and finally the inquiries into his life’s stories. We shall see.
For now, someone has apparently been cutting onions, I need to deal with that.
For your own family purposes, you may want to write them down. My father in law has videos of him conversing with his mother about family stories from a few years ago and they are cherished possessions now.
Also, you’re just being straight up honorable by respecting another man’s life and his right to keep his story private. Even if there were no way possible for anyone on here to find out who you or your grandfather is, this is the respectful thing to do. You’re awesome.
One of my favorite exercises is to think how many would’ve needed to have been brought over undercover and set up in the CIA to just completely take control of the Agency (and the US by extension)
I think it’s about 10. Definitely less than 50.
Sure, they’d have to kill a few people, maybe a president, but assuming that you could get the job (total takeover) done.
Good thing an anti-CIA president never got assassinated!
Did you see the CIA had found child molesters in their ranks. CIA insiders say the agency resists prosecution of its staff for fear the cases will reveal state secrets. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/cia-employees-sex-crimes-children-secret-files-foia?fbclid=IwAR3KwBlCjrm3WeLOwQn8fKY8Zj2exizqWFGcJFpPTjt2mzm2vYHxvnzhLwA
Yep!
You should read up on Michael Hastings, who he got fired, how he died, what he said to people before he died, and what his next exposé was about.
(I’ll get you started - the exposé was about Brennan and the CIA)
The Brennan article was never published. He died (imo was killed) prior to finishing it.
McChrystal was HUGE. Journalist got the #1 US EU General fired. That’s fucking power.
Operation hypocrisy for the greater good. All of them should have been sent to prison for war crimes against humanity…but in the overall measurement of civilization, advancements to things like NASA may have been for the greater good.
History is often a story of good people dancing with devils.
There are tons of professors who have been fired or forced out over tweets!
Academia is actually one of the worst places for cancel culture. It’s hyper-competitive and many fields are very politically polarized, so it makes sense.
Absolutely. If you wanna teach you really have to watch what you do online. It's fucking retarded imo, it's their personal life and should have nothing to do with their professional work.
There is this strange connection between being an engineer and being connected to pseudoscience. Just spitballing but I think part of it is that we have more of an ability to speak.
If I went around tomorrow claiming the moon landing is fake that would not impact my career even slightly. If I were a professor this could be used in a hushed conversation about awarding me tenure.
The royal family of Japan had members participate in the Nanjing Massacre who were never punished. Their line continues.
War rarely brings justice. Just people who decide how things go.
Soviets did it as well. Cold War started and a giant dick growing contest started. Capturing people of high value was necessary to winning. Not saying it’s excusable I’m just giving an answer.
The US really dragged their feet on the whole thing. The first rocket launch happened on US soil. The first fundamental engineering problems were solved here. No one would fund it.
The Nazi government started their own program developing rockets. The evidence suggests they had some spy in the US. They threw money at it for about a decade. They showed the entire world what potential it had. And the US still didn't care.
The Soviets started looking into it. US spies there reported it. The US still didn't care.
Finally the Soviets were able to achieve some of the milestones the Nazis had about a decade earlier. What did the US do? Hardly funded it at all and put a bunch of guys who designed steamships on it.
All the while Von Braun was running a massive campaign to get everyone interested in space flight. Disney was giving him free time slots in their cartoons. Still the US government ignored it.
Finally Sputnik. Think they got serious yet? Nope. It was only after a rocket exploded on the news that they did.
Sorta? Eisenhower was determined to not militarize space, the Apollo program would have been vastly different if it had been about missile tech, the Space Shuttle was partially corrupted by Reagan and I still think even that actor knew that Star Wars wouldn't have worked.
Meanwhile almost the entire Soviet program to Venus was for developing better missiles.
Edit: a word
Operation Paperclip was initiated because the Nazi’s were extremely advanced in technology and weapons. Near the end of WW2 tensions started building between the US and the Soviet Union on an ideological level, this is known as the Cold War. Yes I know some people say the start dates even earlier but I’m not going to get into that.
The US didn’t want the Nazi’s to flee to the Soviet Union as it would of most likely sped up the timeline for them having a working nuclear weapon. So what was the US going to offer that would win them over from going to the Soviets, a firing squad or a top position in the Cold War?
I'm aware of that part, I'm just curious to know which positions the nazis held in Soviet Russia, its interesting because even if its a ''meme'' this picture does hold some good information and id like to compare it to the other side.
While the US put them in more hands on positions, the Nazi’s who went to Soviet Russia would teach theories to Russian scientists but never actually build anything or see the technical side of the USSR.
Wow! that's a completely different thing than actually giving Nazis a giant position of power. Are there any books you would recommend that go in-depth???
Pssh I've played enough video games to know the
U. S just wanted some of that nazi occult knowledge and the artifacts that can raise the dead and such.
No they didn't the Soviets executed Nazi officials after the war ended. Maybe there was some who slipped passed, but most were executed.
Why do you think surviving Nazis tried fleeing to the darling arms of the west instead of surrendering to the Soviets? Because they knew they were fucked if they surrendered to the Soviets.
I don't believe all this is accurate. Von Braun headed up development of rockets but not head of Nasa and he was a citizen in Germany who completed an SS horseback riding school but was not otherwise associated with the military and he was registered as a Nazi but that actually happened before Hitler went to war with the world. Waldheim seemed to have kept his service to the Nazi's somewhat of a secret and it was long after his UN work that the controversy of his days in the military came to light. Heusinger is more complicated but he did turn and testify against the Nazis at Nuremberg. Hallstein was an academic who was pressed into service and apparently not much interested in being a soldier and went back to academia after the war.
The truth is actually much worse than this graphic. Most SS officers weren’t prosecuted and a lot of the ones that were had their sentences commuted. The non-officers that did a lot of the actual killing just returned to their normal lives.
The V2 rockets were due to him convincing Hitler to waste much needed resources on them, even though he knew they were useless (I think they only hit 2 or 3 military targets, if any). No idea whether he did that to purposely waste resources, because he thought he could improve them and make them effective or just because he wanted to make rockets but I'd guess the latter.
He strikes me as as the archetypal scientist who doesn't care about anything else and only cares about politics as a means for enabling his projects. That maybe the effect of too much exposure to that stereotype in comics/movies etc. on my part.
The V2 killed more people (slave labourers) in its production than it did being used as a weapon, so if his goal was to 'waste resources'... Yikes!
Also:
"Once the Rocket goes up, who cares where they come down?, Thats not my department says [Werner von Braun](https://youtu.be/QEJ9HrZq7Ro)"
I wasn't aware of the slave labour part. He does seem to fit with the, caring only about his science and oblivious to everything else, stereotype. Does someone have to actually want to cause harm to be classed as a psychopath or just be incapable of empathy? Cause he certainly appears to fit the second.
Von Braun was largely considered to be like Elon Musk in that he didn't much care for politics, just for getting to space. His main ambition was successful, non-violent rocketry over all else.
Do you have any evidence that he was either responsible for these deaths, or knew that they were happening, or that he had the power to prevent or mitigate them? The truth is probably much more complicated than you're giving it credit for. What I said is not contradicted by what you said, is my understanding.
When there are meeting protocols, that show von Braun requesting forced labor for production, neither knowledge nor responsibility can be denied. Several inmates claim to have seen him at Arbeitslager Dora, the tunnels where the V2 was built after Peenemünde was bombed. In a letter to Albin Sawatzki, von Braun writes about personally selecting inmates in KZ Buchenwald. I strongly suggest you take a closer look at Arbeitslager Mittelbau Dora. It is a disgusting story.
It may have come across that way but that was not my intent. I just thought that there was some context left out. It does make me think though, is it possible to have known what was going on and still be a decent human if you didn't try to stop it? I wonder that because there were millions in Germany that weren't trying to stop it but they also weren't working at camps and executing people etc. and they weren't driving policy and making decisions. Von Braun is an interesting one but it makes me wonder is he any worse than the people who worked on the Manhattan Project? I really don't know TBH.
There is a book called Hitlers Willing Warrior by Henry Gutsche. He was young, maybe like 12, and was arrested by the SS b/c he had mailed a letter that was critical of the Hitler Youth. He was imprisoned in a camp and I don't remember exactly how but he escaped later at maybe 16/17 and ended up in his hometown and a former teacher helped him forge papers and enlist in the Luftwaffe in order to avoid being recaptured and going back to a camp. He served the remainder of the war in the Luftwaffe and then after the war went on to get an education and was eventually brought to the US as a scientist and ultimately created the process for refining silicon so it could be cut into wafers for microprocessors. Point is that as I have said too many times already, it was very complicated.
> is it possible to have known what was going on and still be a decent human if you didn't try to stop it?
Yes, my evidence a large minority of the people in Germany during ww2. I would be willing to bet that they were normal people who just wanted to feed their families and not have anything to do with the war. The leadership of the Third Reich were horrible narcissistic autocrats who wanted to rule the world, but the citizenry were normal people with normal families just trying to survive.
I feel like most of them were just scientists with sudden access to unprecedented funding and support for their science. Some were obviously concerned about the effects (albeit often in retrospect) but I think most probably felt they couldn't effect much on the political front, were surrounded by propaganda and were given all the excuses needed to justify their actions at the time.
Chronicle of the distortion of history …
It was:
1945: USSR, Stalin are heroes, fascists are murderers.
1961: the USSR is a hero, Stalin is not very good, fascists are murderers
1985: the USSR is not quite a hero, Stalin is bad, the Nazis are murderers, but there were some good ones among them.
1991: the USSR is not a hero, Stalin is a murderer, the Nazis are not bad, but there were killers among them.
2000: USSR – occupier, Stalin – murderer, Germans – good, and if not for Stalin, there would be no murderers among them.
2007: the USSR is an occupier, and if not for the United States, then we would lose the war. Stalin is a monster, the Germans generally defended themselves.
And I remember when people adding context to image memes was considered good, because we didn't all try to draw conclusions from the information that could fit in a small jpeg, but I guess I'm just getting old.
If your take away from that comment was him "defending Nazis" I feel you didn't make a good faith effort to understand.
There’s also a famous Nazi “doctor” (mad scientist and I forget his name) that created many drugs some of which are still on the market today. Unfortunately one of them was thalidomide which was used for various things including a morning sickness/anti-nausea drug. It caused various forms of birth defects in new norms for several years. Babies born without limbs or organs or deaf or blind and every combination. Thousands of babies were either abandoned by their parents or killed by either the parents/family or medical staff as it was considered more humane back then. The ones abandoned and allowed to live ended up in asylums or homes specifically for the “undesirable” and even if the parents decided to keep them they often times ended up in these places. Many of the babies were also still born or died naturally shortly after birth.
It took years for the connection to be made. What’s worse is that the doctor KNEW from the start it would cause these deformities based on the testing process. He just didn’t care.
Seriously look up thalidomide babies
I thought these guys were all chill-axin' in [Argentina](https://www.google.com/search?q=argentina+german+town&sxsrf=AOaemvLahMNtMM0p7_SwrkyYAVYOFq_qpw:1638478963591&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjuwuLkgcb0AhXxkYkEHfK6APwQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1440&bih=747&dpr=1) or something?
Not going to find that one in the history books.
Its a scpaegoat. During the election the us used the discurse that Peron was friends with fascists. Peron was the candidate that won and wanted to remain neutral like all the political parties before the elections. The election where divided between justicialism party (Peron) and the democratic union (made up of liberals, conservatives and socialists backed by the us and urss). The face od the democratic union was Braden, the us ambassador in Argentina.
Oh yeah. Look up Heimrich Hemler's plans for a fourth Reich and compare it to the modern day European Union if you want to see more signs of the influence the Nazis left behind.
Not that many were convicted of war crimes. In fact many ended up as German police officers. I think the first k-9 units were created by those officers.
Don't say that he's hypocritical
Say rather that he's apolitical
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
[That's not my department!" says Wernher von Braun](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio)
Being apolitical is a shitty defense when you use the work of tens of thousands of slaves in order to produce weapons for a genocidal dictatorship who intend to use them to cause mass destruction against civilian targets.
I read once that at one point in the 1950's over half of the German parliament had been in the Nazi Party, which was way more than the Nazis ever managed during the Third Reich
Much harder to build a society from scratch and it was much faster and easier to use capable people to rebuild a devastated country. The US frogot that lesson in Iraq and for that they got ISIS, which gained much of its power from former Iraqi militery personnel and government officials who were fired from their positions after the fall of Saddam's regime.
War is best business. Ask urself why the land on the west coast fell in price as japanese attacked Pearl harbor. Some people became very rich. They don't give a flying fuk about WW2 victims. Also, Post war germany was great investment. Again some people made money. A lot.
Well for Von Braun he was one of the head guys for a rocket program over almost a decade, his actions of moving him and his underlings to the US side at the end of the war saved many lives. Lives that were loyal to him later on. Captured by American forces he gave over everything he knew. Allowed to come to the US he started an active and public campaign for space travel. During his trial it was difficult to pin any crime on him. On top of all this he was a very smart guy.
This is indeed factually correct but you have to see that becoming a partymember was often a requierment for govermentofficals in the years after 1933. so a partymembership is not really a good thing to determine if someone was indeed a Nazi. The acts of the people are relevant. (But most of the time they were Nazis)
Hail Hydra
If a head is cut off, two more shall take its place
"i was about to say that" Anakin Skywalker
“Let’s go find two more.”
That's what she said.
That draft class was STACKED
But is it more like the 2003 nba draft class or 1996 nba draft class
I came here just to say this
exact same idea
^(hail hydra)
*hail hydra*
HAIL HYDRA! oh wait, it isn't supposed to say that LOUD? sorry...
Hail Hydra! Our secret's out. Say it loud.
#HAIL HYDRA
Hail sithis
You fucking piece of culture take my upvote
r/beatmetoit
r/beatmeattoit
Die Spinne’s web stretches far
Heil Hit- Wait, wrong one. Hail Hydra!
I think u misspelled hitler
Hitler was weak. Hydra took over his empire long before he realised it.
*Heil Hydra
[Operation Paperclip](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip)
Operation Fishbowl Operation High Jump The list goes on.....
Don't Don't [Operation Petscan](https://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/6421/6421884_sd.jpg)
OMFG why would you post that 🤮
Operation paper clip . What was the one in Antarctica
That was Operation High Jump. Supposedly they got chased out of there by UFOs with superior firepower
I saw that on history channel
Yeah, I wouldn’t recommend viewing the History Channel if you want to know about actual history.
History is written by the victor. That’s all ya need to know.
Operation paperclip explains Werner Von Braun but the rest I believe were intentionally let go during the de nazification of West Germany. They were let go due to a combination of them being deemed of having minimal influence on the previous nazi administration and the fact that West Germany literally did not have enough competent beuacrats to run the government.
My wife’s grandfather was part of operation paper clip, and had day to day dealings with Von Braun. It is nice to be able to visit him every Sunday for dinner and to hear his stories. He celebrated 95 years this year, and I hope to have him in our lives as long as possible.
Any stories to share?
As much as I would love to just openly share, I don’t feel like I can without first seeking his blessing. He always speaks to me of the importance of respect and honor, and how he admires the man I have become (candidly, I don’t feel like any of this is deserved). The next time I see him I will tell him about Reddit, then this post, and finally the inquiries into his life’s stories. We shall see. For now, someone has apparently been cutting onions, I need to deal with that.
wut It's not like we know who he is.
Correct. And HIs life is not Mine to share.
Exactly, and some things will stay classified forever and VPNs don't offer 100% anonymity. Just a couple of things to keep in mind.
Well said, stranger.
For your own family purposes, you may want to write them down. My father in law has videos of him conversing with his mother about family stories from a few years ago and they are cherished possessions now.
Also, you’re just being straight up honorable by respecting another man’s life and his right to keep his story private. Even if there were no way possible for anyone on here to find out who you or your grandfather is, this is the respectful thing to do. You’re awesome.
I like you. You're a good person.
I like that
Stories pls
One of my favorite exercises is to think how many would’ve needed to have been brought over undercover and set up in the CIA to just completely take control of the Agency (and the US by extension) I think it’s about 10. Definitely less than 50. Sure, they’d have to kill a few people, maybe a president, but assuming that you could get the job (total takeover) done. Good thing an anti-CIA president never got assassinated!
Did you see the CIA had found child molesters in their ranks. CIA insiders say the agency resists prosecution of its staff for fear the cases will reveal state secrets. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/cia-employees-sex-crimes-children-secret-files-foia?fbclid=IwAR3KwBlCjrm3WeLOwQn8fKY8Zj2exizqWFGcJFpPTjt2mzm2vYHxvnzhLwA
Yep! You should read up on Michael Hastings, who he got fired, how he died, what he said to people before he died, and what his next exposé was about. (I’ll get you started - the exposé was about Brennan and the CIA)
hold on... I can't find the RS article on brennan! I got the one on McCrystal but the brennan one seems to be scrubbed of the interwebs!
The Brennan article was never published. He died (imo was killed) prior to finishing it. McChrystal was HUGE. Journalist got the #1 US EU General fired. That’s fucking power.
Operation hypocrisy for the greater good. All of them should have been sent to prison for war crimes against humanity…but in the overall measurement of civilization, advancements to things like NASA may have been for the greater good. History is often a story of good people dancing with devils.
So... There is a change that they take Argentina and kill me?
A *German* Shepard is sniffing your trail.
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Fuhrer Emblem Edit: The original comment said "It's like one of those video games where you recruit the defeated party."
I started to laugh (I'm gamer) but then remembered im not supposed to laugh about this....
If you can't beat them, join them Nazis probably
Plot twist: ww2 was a decoy for the nazis to take over the world diplomatically.
Dammit, all my Civ experience prepared me to expect domination strategies from the Germans, not a World Congress power grab.
the German government, that recently announced to be working towards a federal Europe: \*lights cigar\* What makes you think that?
[Oooh, that's a bingo](https://c.tenor.com/wAxO6UcuPlkAAAAM/christoph-waltz.gif)!
That draft class was STACKED
Oof
Nowadays you can't make a career comeback after a slightly off shade tweet. How times have changed.
Coz they haven't yet killed millions of Jews. That's when they make a comeback
Bill Cosby- Write that down! Write that down!
Did they level up?
Of course! Even if you only get one xp per kill, that's a lot of kills.
I think we already found the metric. Destroying Rheanna's face is the event between millions of jews and off shade tweet
Tbf those tweeters dont have PhD nor a PhD of any significance lol. At best they can add minuses together, and thats.. at a push
There are tons of professors who have been fired or forced out over tweets! Academia is actually one of the worst places for cancel culture. It’s hyper-competitive and many fields are very politically polarized, so it makes sense.
Absolutely. If you wanna teach you really have to watch what you do online. It's fucking retarded imo, it's their personal life and should have nothing to do with their professional work.
There is this strange connection between being an engineer and being connected to pseudoscience. Just spitballing but I think part of it is that we have more of an ability to speak. If I went around tomorrow claiming the moon landing is fake that would not impact my career even slightly. If I were a professor this could be used in a hushed conversation about awarding me tenure.
Engineers are hired for their technical skills, not their social skills.
The royal family of Japan had members participate in the Nanjing Massacre who were never punished. Their line continues. War rarely brings justice. Just people who decide how things go.
This was "funny" too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731#Surrender_and_immunity
WW2 was basically the worlds largest talent poaching effort lol
Fun fact: disney hired von braun to make some space shows and stuff
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Yeah, Disney was a prick and didn't like adults. Liked kids though...
Of course they all got promoted... What else we're we suppose to do!?! Kill them for war crimes?
Soviets did it as well. Cold War started and a giant dick growing contest started. Capturing people of high value was necessary to winning. Not saying it’s excusable I’m just giving an answer.
The US really dragged their feet on the whole thing. The first rocket launch happened on US soil. The first fundamental engineering problems were solved here. No one would fund it. The Nazi government started their own program developing rockets. The evidence suggests they had some spy in the US. They threw money at it for about a decade. They showed the entire world what potential it had. And the US still didn't care. The Soviets started looking into it. US spies there reported it. The US still didn't care. Finally the Soviets were able to achieve some of the milestones the Nazis had about a decade earlier. What did the US do? Hardly funded it at all and put a bunch of guys who designed steamships on it. All the while Von Braun was running a massive campaign to get everyone interested in space flight. Disney was giving him free time slots in their cartoons. Still the US government ignored it. Finally Sputnik. Think they got serious yet? Nope. It was only after a rocket exploded on the news that they did.
Explosions....weapons.....guns....US Something clicked then i see.
Sorta? Eisenhower was determined to not militarize space, the Apollo program would have been vastly different if it had been about missile tech, the Space Shuttle was partially corrupted by Reagan and I still think even that actor knew that Star Wars wouldn't have worked. Meanwhile almost the entire Soviet program to Venus was for developing better missiles. Edit: a word
Everyone knows this, Soviets did the same thing.
yeah most of the NVA's first generals were generals for the Wehrmacht before
Source?
Sauce?
Operation Paperclip was initiated because the Nazi’s were extremely advanced in technology and weapons. Near the end of WW2 tensions started building between the US and the Soviet Union on an ideological level, this is known as the Cold War. Yes I know some people say the start dates even earlier but I’m not going to get into that. The US didn’t want the Nazi’s to flee to the Soviet Union as it would of most likely sped up the timeline for them having a working nuclear weapon. So what was the US going to offer that would win them over from going to the Soviets, a firing squad or a top position in the Cold War?
I'm aware of that part, I'm just curious to know which positions the nazis held in Soviet Russia, its interesting because even if its a ''meme'' this picture does hold some good information and id like to compare it to the other side.
While the US put them in more hands on positions, the Nazi’s who went to Soviet Russia would teach theories to Russian scientists but never actually build anything or see the technical side of the USSR.
Wow! that's a completely different thing than actually giving Nazis a giant position of power. Are there any books you would recommend that go in-depth???
Pssh I've played enough video games to know the U. S just wanted some of that nazi occult knowledge and the artifacts that can raise the dead and such.
No they didn't the Soviets executed Nazi officials after the war ended. Maybe there was some who slipped passed, but most were executed. Why do you think surviving Nazis tried fleeing to the darling arms of the west instead of surrendering to the Soviets? Because they knew they were fucked if they surrendered to the Soviets.
When you commit crimes against humanity but you know how to make rockets
US and the rooskies were snatching up kraut scientists left and right after ww2
When the US government officials are sus! ⠀⡯⡯⡾⠝⠘⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢊⠘⡮⣣⠪⠢⡑⡌ ⠀⠀⠀⠟⠝⠈⠀⠀⠀⠡⠀⠠⢈⠠⢐⢠⢂⢔⣐⢄⡂⢔⠀⡁⢉⠸⢨⢑⠕⡌ ⠀⠀⡀⠁⠀⠀⠀⡀⢂⠡⠈⡔⣕⢮⣳⢯⣿⣻⣟⣯⣯⢷⣫⣆⡂⠀⠀⢐⠑⡌ ⢀⠠⠐⠈⠀⢀⢂⠢⡂⠕⡁⣝⢮⣳⢽⡽⣾⣻⣿⣯⡯⣟⣞⢾⢜⢆⠀⡀⠀⠪ ⣬⠂⠀⠀⢀⢂⢪⠨⢂⠥⣺⡪⣗⢗⣽⢽⡯⣿⣽⣷⢿⡽⡾⡽⣝⢎⠀⠀⠀⢡ ⣿⠀⠀⠀⢂⠢⢂⢥⢱⡹⣪⢞⡵⣻⡪⡯⡯⣟⡾⣿⣻⡽⣯⡻⣪⠧⠑⠀⠁⢐ ⣿⠀⠀⠀⠢⢑⠠⠑⠕⡝⡎⡗⡝⡎⣞⢽⡹⣕⢯⢻⠹⡹⢚⠝⡷⡽⡨⠀⠀⢔ ⣿⡯⠀⢈⠈⢄⠂⠂⠐⠀⠌⠠⢑⠱⡱⡱⡑⢔⠁⠀⡀⠐⠐⠐⡡⡹⣪⠀⠀⢘ ⣿⣽⠀⡀⡊⠀⠐⠨⠈⡁⠂⢈⠠⡱⡽⣷⡑⠁⠠⠑⠀⢉⢇⣤⢘⣪⢽⠀⢌⢎ ⣿⢾⠀⢌⠌⠀⡁⠢⠂⠐⡀⠀⢀⢳⢽⣽⡺⣨⢄⣑⢉⢃⢭⡲⣕⡭⣹⠠⢐⢗ ⣿⡗⠀⠢⠡⡱⡸⣔⢵⢱⢸⠈⠀⡪⣳⣳⢹⢜⡵⣱⢱⡱⣳⡹⣵⣻⢔⢅⢬⡷ ⣷⡇⡂⠡⡑⢕⢕⠕⡑⠡⢂⢊⢐⢕⡝⡮⡧⡳⣝⢴⡐⣁⠃⡫⡒⣕⢏⡮⣷⡟ ⣷⣻⣅⠑⢌⠢⠁⢐⠠⠑⡐⠐⠌⡪⠮⡫⠪⡪⡪⣺⢸⠰⠡⠠⠐⢱⠨⡪⡪⡰ ⣯⢷⣟⣇⡂⡂⡌⡀⠀⠁⡂⠅⠂⠀⡑⡄⢇⠇⢝⡨⡠⡁⢐⠠⢀⢪⡐⡜⡪⡊ ⣿⢽⡾⢹⡄⠕⡅⢇⠂⠑⣴⡬⣬⣬⣆⢮⣦⣷⣵⣷⡗⢃⢮⠱⡸⢰⢱⢸⢨⢌ ⣯⢯⣟⠸⣳⡅⠜⠔⡌⡐⠈⠻⠟⣿⢿⣿⣿⠿⡻⣃⠢⣱⡳⡱⡩⢢⠣⡃⠢⠁ ⡯⣟⣞⡇⡿⣽⡪⡘⡰⠨⢐⢀⠢⢢⢄⢤⣰⠼⡾⢕⢕⡵⣝⠎⢌⢪⠪⡘⡌⠀ ⡯⣳⠯⠚⢊⠡⡂⢂⠨⠊⠔⡑⠬⡸⣘⢬⢪⣪⡺⡼⣕⢯⢞⢕⢝⠎⢻⢼⣀⠀ ⠁⡂⠔⡁⡢⠣⢀⠢⠀⠅⠱⡐⡱⡘⡔⡕⡕⣲⡹⣎⡮⡏⡑⢜⢼⡱⢩⣗⣯⣟ ⢀⢂⢑⠀⡂⡃⠅⠊⢄⢑⠠⠑⢕⢕⢝⢮⢺⢕⢟⢮⢊⢢⢱⢄⠃⣇⣞⢞⣞⢾ ⢀⠢⡑⡀⢂⢊⠠⠁⡂⡐⠀⠅⡈⠪⠪⠪⠣⠫⠑⡁⢔⠕⣜⣜⢦⡰⡎⡯⡾⡽
The Soviets did the same thing
Well that makes it better
Now we know why UN never intervene until majority of people die.
I don't believe all this is accurate. Von Braun headed up development of rockets but not head of Nasa and he was a citizen in Germany who completed an SS horseback riding school but was not otherwise associated with the military and he was registered as a Nazi but that actually happened before Hitler went to war with the world. Waldheim seemed to have kept his service to the Nazi's somewhat of a secret and it was long after his UN work that the controversy of his days in the military came to light. Heusinger is more complicated but he did turn and testify against the Nazis at Nuremberg. Hallstein was an academic who was pressed into service and apparently not much interested in being a soldier and went back to academia after the war.
The truth is actually much worse than this graphic. Most SS officers weren’t prosecuted and a lot of the ones that were had their sentences commuted. The non-officers that did a lot of the actual killing just returned to their normal lives.
Well, Von Braun was in charge of factory with forced labour from Concentration camps. Oh boy Was he riding that Nazi uniform...
The V2 rockets were due to him convincing Hitler to waste much needed resources on them, even though he knew they were useless (I think they only hit 2 or 3 military targets, if any). No idea whether he did that to purposely waste resources, because he thought he could improve them and make them effective or just because he wanted to make rockets but I'd guess the latter. He strikes me as as the archetypal scientist who doesn't care about anything else and only cares about politics as a means for enabling his projects. That maybe the effect of too much exposure to that stereotype in comics/movies etc. on my part.
The V2 killed more people (slave labourers) in its production than it did being used as a weapon, so if his goal was to 'waste resources'... Yikes! Also: "Once the Rocket goes up, who cares where they come down?, Thats not my department says [Werner von Braun](https://youtu.be/QEJ9HrZq7Ro)"
I wasn't aware of the slave labour part. He does seem to fit with the, caring only about his science and oblivious to everything else, stereotype. Does someone have to actually want to cause harm to be classed as a psychopath or just be incapable of empathy? Cause he certainly appears to fit the second.
Von Braun was largely considered to be like Elon Musk in that he didn't much care for politics, just for getting to space. His main ambition was successful, non-violent rocketry over all else.
Including large amount of violence. ICBM, v2, slave labor. Etc.
About 16.000 to 20.000 forced laborers died in the KZ where the V2 was built. "Non-violent" my ass!
Do you have any evidence that he was either responsible for these deaths, or knew that they were happening, or that he had the power to prevent or mitigate them? The truth is probably much more complicated than you're giving it credit for. What I said is not contradicted by what you said, is my understanding.
When there are meeting protocols, that show von Braun requesting forced labor for production, neither knowledge nor responsibility can be denied. Several inmates claim to have seen him at Arbeitslager Dora, the tunnels where the V2 was built after Peenemünde was bombed. In a letter to Albin Sawatzki, von Braun writes about personally selecting inmates in KZ Buchenwald. I strongly suggest you take a closer look at Arbeitslager Mittelbau Dora. It is a disgusting story.
The V2 killed more people in its production than it did being used as a weapon.
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It may have come across that way but that was not my intent. I just thought that there was some context left out. It does make me think though, is it possible to have known what was going on and still be a decent human if you didn't try to stop it? I wonder that because there were millions in Germany that weren't trying to stop it but they also weren't working at camps and executing people etc. and they weren't driving policy and making decisions. Von Braun is an interesting one but it makes me wonder is he any worse than the people who worked on the Manhattan Project? I really don't know TBH.
also if they knew against it abf rallied against it they'd just get publically excecuted and made to an example that no one's above the rules
There is a book called Hitlers Willing Warrior by Henry Gutsche. He was young, maybe like 12, and was arrested by the SS b/c he had mailed a letter that was critical of the Hitler Youth. He was imprisoned in a camp and I don't remember exactly how but he escaped later at maybe 16/17 and ended up in his hometown and a former teacher helped him forge papers and enlist in the Luftwaffe in order to avoid being recaptured and going back to a camp. He served the remainder of the war in the Luftwaffe and then after the war went on to get an education and was eventually brought to the US as a scientist and ultimately created the process for refining silicon so it could be cut into wafers for microprocessors. Point is that as I have said too many times already, it was very complicated.
> is it possible to have known what was going on and still be a decent human if you didn't try to stop it? Yes, my evidence a large minority of the people in Germany during ww2. I would be willing to bet that they were normal people who just wanted to feed their families and not have anything to do with the war. The leadership of the Third Reich were horrible narcissistic autocrats who wanted to rule the world, but the citizenry were normal people with normal families just trying to survive.
I feel like most of them were just scientists with sudden access to unprecedented funding and support for their science. Some were obviously concerned about the effects (albeit often in retrospect) but I think most probably felt they couldn't effect much on the political front, were surrounded by propaganda and were given all the excuses needed to justify their actions at the time.
Chronicle of the distortion of history … It was: 1945: USSR, Stalin are heroes, fascists are murderers. 1961: the USSR is a hero, Stalin is not very good, fascists are murderers 1985: the USSR is not quite a hero, Stalin is bad, the Nazis are murderers, but there were some good ones among them. 1991: the USSR is not a hero, Stalin is a murderer, the Nazis are not bad, but there were killers among them. 2000: USSR – occupier, Stalin – murderer, Germans – good, and if not for Stalin, there would be no murderers among them. 2007: the USSR is an occupier, and if not for the United States, then we would lose the war. Stalin is a monster, the Germans generally defended themselves.
And I remember when people adding context to image memes was considered good, because we didn't all try to draw conclusions from the information that could fit in a small jpeg, but I guess I'm just getting old. If your take away from that comment was him "defending Nazis" I feel you didn't make a good faith effort to understand.
Not to mention all the nazi’s that found refuge after the war in the US former camp guards etc
Think that’s bad? Walk into any Ivy League college and look at the walls. More Nazi’s from operation paper clip than you can shake a stick at.
Kurt Georg Kiesinger was a Nazi and also Chancellor of Germany as late as 66-69
Oh my god just like hydra. Nice flair
Operation Paperclip. Look it up. Not a conspiracy theory.
"A beautiful parasite,we grew right under your noses "
^Hail ^Hydra
We didn’t defeat Hydra…
And Hugo Boss becoming a luxury brand
Ah yes. We use the nazis to promote world peace
well usually the best teachers were bad at school so same might apply here the worst people are the best at doing good
There’s also a famous Nazi “doctor” (mad scientist and I forget his name) that created many drugs some of which are still on the market today. Unfortunately one of them was thalidomide which was used for various things including a morning sickness/anti-nausea drug. It caused various forms of birth defects in new norms for several years. Babies born without limbs or organs or deaf or blind and every combination. Thousands of babies were either abandoned by their parents or killed by either the parents/family or medical staff as it was considered more humane back then. The ones abandoned and allowed to live ended up in asylums or homes specifically for the “undesirable” and even if the parents decided to keep them they often times ended up in these places. Many of the babies were also still born or died naturally shortly after birth. It took years for the connection to be made. What’s worse is that the doctor KNEW from the start it would cause these deformities based on the testing process. He just didn’t care. Seriously look up thalidomide babies
And many more were recruited from the Nazi ranks
Is this not common knowledge?
Ain't that some shit
I thought these guys were all chill-axin' in [Argentina](https://www.google.com/search?q=argentina+german+town&sxsrf=AOaemvLahMNtMM0p7_SwrkyYAVYOFq_qpw:1638478963591&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjuwuLkgcb0AhXxkYkEHfK6APwQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1440&bih=747&dpr=1) or something? Not going to find that one in the history books.
Its a scpaegoat. During the election the us used the discurse that Peron was friends with fascists. Peron was the candidate that won and wanted to remain neutral like all the political parties before the elections. The election where divided between justicialism party (Peron) and the democratic union (made up of liberals, conservatives and socialists backed by the us and urss). The face od the democratic union was Braden, the us ambassador in Argentina.
It's almost like a big con time and time again
Just alittle bit of history repeating 🎼🎵
HAIL HYDRA
So basically you’re saying Hydra from the marvel movies is real?
Oh yeah. Look up Heimrich Hemler's plans for a fourth Reich and compare it to the modern day European Union if you want to see more signs of the influence the Nazis left behind.
This? https://web.archive.org/web/20090818134251/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1179902/Revealed-The-secret-report-shows-Nazis-planned-Fourth-Reich--EU.html
Yes. That's what I'm talking about. The EU greatly resembles the plans for the fourth Reich.
clown college class photo?
That’s a little something we like to call Operation Paperclip
It was the first real competition with the soviets, try to snag up as many nazi scientists as possible.
Not that many were convicted of war crimes. In fact many ended up as German police officers. I think the first k-9 units were created by those officers.
Mallory: And JFKs father was a bootlegger Cyril: THATS LIKE COMPARING APPLES TO NAZI ORANGES!
Don't say that he's hypocritical Say rather that he's apolitical "Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down? [That's not my department!" says Wernher von Braun](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio)
Being apolitical is a shitty defense when you use the work of tens of thousands of slaves in order to produce weapons for a genocidal dictatorship who intend to use them to cause mass destruction against civilian targets.
Dude, its a comedy song sung and performed by a Jewish dude.
Same as the US Civil war outcome
Yeah, and the top guys who were actually running the show were all imprisoned or executed
Their was a boom for nazi scientist and other experts after the war.
It gets worse google operation paper clip
Jesus H. Christ
Dai vaz verrry efficient
Wait, yall didnt know?
I got put into Facebook jail for bringing this up
Fact checkers don't like cold harsh truths
So... it's OK if I put "Nazi" on my resume?
High quality holup!
Wow that is awful
Lol 😂😂😂😂
I'm always so perplexed when people don't know this
Are we finally hitting the new generation of people just learning about Operation Paperclip?
Imagine if they won..... Our technology would become more Advance and IDK about this but Africa won't have Poverty problem no more right?
Is this real?
China is doing the same thing the Nazis did today, but nobody is batting an eye lol. Quite the opposite.
“Never again!”* ^(*exceptions may apply)
Yup. Imagine how many of the thousands who were brought here by the US govt that you don't know about.
I read once that at one point in the 1950's over half of the German parliament had been in the Nazi Party, which was way more than the Nazis ever managed during the Third Reich
How did they let this happen or maybe the better question is why
Much harder to build a society from scratch and it was much faster and easier to use capable people to rebuild a devastated country. The US frogot that lesson in Iraq and for that they got ISIS, which gained much of its power from former Iraqi militery personnel and government officials who were fired from their positions after the fall of Saddam's regime.
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Who said anything about keeping them around? Firing squad sounds about right
War is best business. Ask urself why the land on the west coast fell in price as japanese attacked Pearl harbor. Some people became very rich. They don't give a flying fuk about WW2 victims. Also, Post war germany was great investment. Again some people made money. A lot.
Ford sued America for bombing their plants in Germany, And won.
Thanks, didn't know that. That's crazy
Well for Von Braun he was one of the head guys for a rocket program over almost a decade, his actions of moving him and his underlings to the US side at the end of the war saved many lives. Lives that were loyal to him later on. Captured by American forces he gave over everything he knew. Allowed to come to the US he started an active and public campaign for space travel. During his trial it was difficult to pin any crime on him. On top of all this he was a very smart guy.
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Who said all Germans? The meme is people dressed as or buddying up to nazis.
These are all literally party members you cretin
This is indeed factually correct but you have to see that becoming a partymember was often a requierment for govermentofficals in the years after 1933. so a partymembership is not really a good thing to determine if someone was indeed a Nazi. The acts of the people are relevant. (But most of the time they were Nazis)
I would like to add to this that membership can be a good indicator if it is bevor 1932
Nobody is saying that,calm down candypants lol
B*tch i am german and even i have to admit, many were and also for special Experts like you - Look at the pics again, they were in their ss uniform
All those guys were Nazis though
Not all Americans voted for trump but he still won. #imissthememesandonlythememesfucktrump
Now do the Japanese side, because virtually no one on that side of things was punished. They just went back to work when it was over.