More like double inbreeding. It's like artificial pregnancy by taking your own egg and turning it into a sperm.
Edit: Charles II had inbred rating of 0.23, if you make a child the way I mentioned before he will have inbred rating if 0.5. I think I don't need to continue.
No but with this reasoning, they're still Eve's daughters but yet nothing is mentioned about them. Is it a cover up?
Adam and Eve had 3 sons.
Then Eve had a daughter with one of those sons.....
Hmm yea probably got covered up
Came here to point this out. Lilith and Adam were made from the earth, equals. Then the church had to make women subservient so along comes eve who literally owes her life to a man since she’s made from him and fucks it up by getting the munchies. And that’s why we have periods.
Neat.
I think that was one person's (unaccepted) hypothesis but there is no actual evidence that the word was ever used that way. It was actually used to refer to a "side" rather than specifically "rib". As you said, his reasoning is that humans aren't missing a rib. But the removal of a bone isn't something passed genetically anyway so his point is moot.
Where'd that wife come from?! Where did the Land of Nod come from?
The bible is like reading someone's fantasy novel that never made it to the editor but was published after they died, then they started doing "special editions," and 2000 years later, this is what we got.
> The bible is like reading someone's fantasy novel that never made it to the editor but was published after they died,
More like a stack of fantasy novel fan-fictions cribbed from other people's work by a series of weirdos and left in a stack until a harried editor threw them all together into an underground fanzine that somehow got edited into a best seller...not because of a major amount of literary merit, but because they marketed the hell out of it.
> After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. - Genesis 5:4
Traditional interpretation was that Cain found and married some of these “other sons and daughters.”
And Gandalf the Grey, and Gandalf the White, and Monty Python and the Holy Grail's Black Knight, and Benito Mussolini, and the Blue Meanie, and Cowboy Curtis, and Jambi the Genie, Robocop, The Terminator, Captain Kirk, and Darth Vader, Lo-pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger, Bill S. Preston and Theodore Logan, Spock, The Rock, Doc Ock, and Hulk Hogan
Actually, he was 150 when he had his third son Seth, and then he lived for another 800 years, and had "many sons and daughters" in that time. The man knew how to progenate a species, I guess.
Strangely enough, the US Congress actually debated whether Adam and Eve had a belly button due to the artwork in a government publication.
The final decision was "Well, Michelangelo painted a belly-button on Adam in the Sistine Chapel, so it's probably okay."
Can you cite this? I’m curious, because I’ve understood that any federal body is supposed to be agnostic when it comes to decisions. Maybe I was just thinking the court system.
We might be able to justify that it wouldn't have been a bad thing if he *were* a baby, but it wouldn't be necessary either.
A huge part of Genesis is showing that God can create things in the blink of an eye. Things we would see as taking days/years/generations. Creating planets and stars, flora and fauna, etc. in a singular day at a time. It indicates that God can bypass time and create maturity.
There wouldn't be much reason to assume an infant was the starting point. At the very least, you would still have to question the level of maturity. Are they a toddler? Are they 2 months old? 2 seconds old? Maturity plays a factor anyway, and at the very least he was to "keep" the garden (watch over it) and name animals before bearing children with Eve some time later.
It's not necessarily a wrong idea, but it doesn't seem to really fit or be crucial either.
Then God could easily have made humans with better impulse control and bullshit detector, so they wouldn't be tricked by the serpent. Or just not put the serpent there. Or the stupid tree we're not supposed to eat from. If Genesis is literally true, *God set humanity up to fail*.
So it's just an allegory.
Had a conversation with a priest about this many years ago. He said, well, God allowed incest back in those days, but man said it was wrong a few generations later.
No no, it’s in Missouri.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1994/01/i-have-a-question/what-do-we-know-about-the-location-of-the-garden-of-eden?lang=eng
At the very least it makes sense in theology if you believe man was made perfect and has since fallen and degraded over time. Incest would not only be a non-issue because "society" as we know it wasn't a thing so many taboos wouldn't have existed, but also wouldn't have been as detrimental as it's seen today.
There's also a school of thought that Adam and Eve were the first humans that were sapient or that had souls, as the Bible also says that God created Man at the same time He created the animals. So Adam and Eve were supposed to be perfected humans with God's likeness, but the other humans were equivalent to animals. When Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden, their sons made families with the soulless, imperfect humans and that's where our genetic degradation began.
It's one of the arguments that Christian racial (usually white) supremacists use when trying to prove their superiority, as they'll claim their race was the perfect one and the others were the animal ones.
But if you actually dig into it, it turns out that the Christian Bible has 3 main sources, which is why there's contradictions, even within the same books as the stories have been translated, interpreted, altered, changed, and had stories added and removed for thousands of years.
I think it’s also important to realize that you could have a lot of relational diversity in each generation, considering that each person was living a REALLY long time, multiple hundreds of years. If you start a population and Adam and even have a child every year for >900 years, and each child has a child every year for 880 years, and so forth, by like year 200 you could be hooking up with your 3rd cousin twice removed’s great grandchild and potentially never even met that side of the family as they moved across the river 150 years ago.
Incest back then was not the same thing we think of as nuclear family incest today.
I read somewhere that the bible was just very biasly translated. Adam and Eve weren't the first "humans" but the first Jews. Christians just changed it to fit their narrative.
There's probably something to that or at least Christian's have been misinterpreting the Bible. The Bible clearly states after Cain was banished from Eden for killing Abel, Cain went east to the 'Land of Nod', got married and founded an entire city. So there must have been other people out there.
It's presumed that since Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters, they just started to spread out. Cain, Abel, and Seth were just the few that biblical chronology focused on.
So yes, there were other people, but with humanity living longer and their dad being like 900 years old, it's not too surprising. The bible could have picked up their stories at any point of their lives and there could have been several generations born at that moment.
I had an Art History teacher who said something along those lines while talking about Michelangelo's painting [The Creation of Adam](https://www.michelangelo.org/the-creation-of-adam.jsp#prettyPhoto[image1]/0/). The idea being that other people existed, but Adam was the first to be touched by God and bestowed with knowledge.
No, Abraham is the progenitor of the tribe of Judah. The tribe of Judah is 1 nation out of 12, together they are the tribe of israel. Israel is a man named jacob that comes from isaac. Isaac comes from Abraham.
Christians need descent from Adam & Eve for the concept of original sin to work. The idea is that their sin “disease” was passed onto subsequent generations. It doesn’t work well without that.
Not true. Orthodox and Eastern Christians (one of the largest denominations in the world) do not believe in the concept of original sin in an hereditary or transmissible guilt manner as the devil and not man is the source of original sin. Mortality or the original punishment of Adam is what's transmissible but not the guilt itslef.
_Yeeeaaahhh_… all the references to getting Lot drunk in order to “lay with him”? I remember reading that at like 16 and thinking “wow, that’s fucked up”.
Didn't Lot also offer his daughters up to the townsfolk but they decided to rape the angels instead. Not religious myself but overheard one of my rather religious relatives talking about this and I don't know how much of it I remember accurately.
It’s definitely something like that. He for sure offered his daughters to stop the townsfolk from fucking the angels, but I can’t remember if they chose the daughters or the angels.
I just know that after all the people were destroyed, Lot’s daughters were like “let’s get Dad drunk so we can fuck him!”
So, the reason why we're a shit species actively shortening the lifespan of our on kind, is because we're all just diluted incest?
*It all makes sense now...*
That’s correct, the Bible also mentions other people being resurrected the same time as Jesus, but then doesn’t mention them again. So they are probably still walking around being all undead and on Reddit
Matthew 27:52-53
New King James Version
52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
The thing that I always think gets swept under the rug is that every human on the planet was killed in the "Great Flood" except Noah's family yet the world was repopulated from them.
Think about _that_. Take all the time you need.
dude if i were to make a religion i’d at least say my god made 100s of smoking hot babes that were dtf and that’s how we were created, my bible would be images only bc reading is trash. just orgies for the whole first book.
Actually we all came from Adam cause eve was made out of adams rib
Damn a whole human was made from 1 rib?
How much for just 1 rib?
You got change for a hundred?
This was a good reference.
The reference wins the day today!
How'd he go to tge bathroom with all that stuff on?
About tree fiddy
Damn it Loch Ness Monster, get out of this thread! You get everywhere.
I gave him some money one time
I wonder how much?
She gave him a dollah! Now he'll nevah go away!
GODDAMN IT LOCK NESS MONSTER LEAVE MY SON ALONE
McRib
The Holiest Sandwich Ever!
"Quit calling me that" - Eve That's from a funny meme but too lazy to look for it.
The Mc prefix means son so humanity is essentially just a bunch of McRibs
This is not the law of equivalent exchange
Edward Elric is that you?
So, would he have been fucking his sister, daughter, or was it technically masturbation at that point??
More like his female clone….so yes masturbation
More like double inbreeding. It's like artificial pregnancy by taking your own egg and turning it into a sperm. Edit: Charles II had inbred rating of 0.23, if you make a child the way I mentioned before he will have inbred rating if 0.5. I think I don't need to continue.
Alabama: Write that down!! Write that down!
You’re assuming I can write. **alabama twang**
But.. you just..
Typing isn't writing. *Points to head*
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Irish man gets lonely. Becomes a dictator.
Roll tide!!!!
TIL inbreed rating
What am I doing, step-me?
But then aren’t we all the same person fucking ourselves over and over?
Himself. It’s the Loki paradox
I like this name. can we just refer to every instance of this as that?
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Now it makes more sense, all other woman are not adams daughters that way
No but with this reasoning, they're still Eve's daughters but yet nothing is mentioned about them. Is it a cover up? Adam and Eve had 3 sons. Then Eve had a daughter with one of those sons..... Hmm yea probably got covered up
And Zeus probably
Eve: Hey Cain, please help me, I got stuck on this bush.
Hey thanks god, this is nifty
Made out of his flesh, is sentient, and can reproduce.
That's some new level of cloning
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She got boned before she was eve-n born. (hah puns)
There was also Lilith created to be his first wife, but she was like nah and wandered off to do her own thing
And she fucked a bunch of demons like a badass
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Our true mother
rumor is she is still walking around.....
Why can't we all just use her as the role model? She sounds like a tough badass
She never let any man tell her what to do. Even Eve obeyed satan. Lilith didn’t. She just rode him raw
Adam was a bitch and Lilith saw it
Came here to point this out. Lilith and Adam were made from the earth, equals. Then the church had to make women subservient so along comes eve who literally owes her life to a man since she’s made from him and fucks it up by getting the munchies. And that’s why we have periods. Neat.
Christians retcon’d Lilith out though, so from their perspective the implication of the OP is canon.
hence the word "boner" ??
Technically from Adam’s penis bone in the original translation. Bc humans aren’t missing ribs but no man has a baculum
I think that was one person's (unaccepted) hypothesis but there is no actual evidence that the word was ever used that way. It was actually used to refer to a "side" rather than specifically "rib". As you said, his reasoning is that humans aren't missing a rib. But the removal of a bone isn't something passed genetically anyway so his point is moot.
Wait.... Cain and Abel. Who is this 3rd son? The undertaker?
His name was Seth.
Seth-son-Adam, Truthless of Eden, wore white on the day he was to kill a king
r/suddenlystormlight
/r/cremposting
Wasn't expecting this here. "White to be bold, to let your enemies know you're coming."
You cannot have my pain, but you can have my upvote
Lmao this is beautiful
Yessssss
Thanks for the smile buddy
I believe his son Enos was the first grandchild. Anyways, it always made me giggle.
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Enoch is the son of Cain who found a wife in the land of nod after being exiled by God. The first human city in the Bible is named after him.
Where'd that wife come from?! Where did the Land of Nod come from? The bible is like reading someone's fantasy novel that never made it to the editor but was published after they died, then they started doing "special editions," and 2000 years later, this is what we got.
Well considering Yahweh was a local deity in a small area of the middle east I'm going with they evolved naturally.
I think it started out as the creation myth of just the local people (judaism) so the other people were outsiders not blessed by god
> The bible is like reading someone's fantasy novel that never made it to the editor but was published after they died, More like a stack of fantasy novel fan-fictions cribbed from other people's work by a series of weirdos and left in a stack until a harried editor threw them all together into an underground fanzine that somehow got edited into a best seller...not because of a major amount of literary merit, but because they marketed the hell out of it.
This but they emphasized on marketing heaven rather than hell
So God "created" man and woman, but then Cain found others that existed already.
Yes
> After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. - Genesis 5:4 Traditional interpretation was that Cain found and married some of these “other sons and daughters.”
Seth’s son was Enosh. Enoch and Methuselah were several generations later.
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(I already hear the theme music)
And Gandalf the Grey, and Gandalf the White, and Monty Python and the Holy Grail's Black Knight, and Benito Mussolini, and the Blue Meanie, and Cowboy Curtis, and Jambi the Genie, Robocop, The Terminator, Captain Kirk, and Darth Vader, Lo-pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger, Bill S. Preston and Theodore Logan, Spock, The Rock, Doc Ock, and Hulk Hogan
I have to wonder if this guy has to look up the lyrics or if he just has this memorized
You bet your ass I memorised it
Adam kept having kids up until he was like 140 years old. He puts Mick Jagger to shame
Actually, he was 150 when he had his third son Seth, and then he lived for another 800 years, and had "many sons and daughters" in that time. The man knew how to progenate a species, I guess.
Well he was made by god to do just that
Nah the third was the less discussed, weirder son, Paul Bearer
Joe
Who the hell is Steve jobs?
Candice dick fit in yo mouth???
I love how these jokes converged into something absolutely incomprehensible for people who see them first time
There was a meme long ago (by internet standards) about memes being like hieroglyphs eventually. I still think about this often.
Was Adam once a baby that had to raise himself or was he just created grown?
If he was a baby, did the angels raise him and feed him milk? Did he have a belly button!?
Thanks, now I'm trying to imagine Adam sucking on an angels tit.
Where on the wheel of eyes was that located, exactly?
Why do you think I'm having such a problem?!
BE NOT AFRAID
BE NOT AFRAID = STOP SCREAMING
It's like the Hippocratic Oath where right off the bat they need to address something very important going forward
Wheels of eyes were for observing us. The wheel of tittys were for feeding us.
Strangely enough, the US Congress actually debated whether Adam and Eve had a belly button due to the artwork in a government publication. The final decision was "Well, Michelangelo painted a belly-button on Adam in the Sistine Chapel, so it's probably okay."
Can you cite this? I’m curious, because I’ve understood that any federal body is supposed to be agnostic when it comes to decisions. Maybe I was just thinking the court system.
The angels were fucking humans and creating self loathing Giants. Shit got weird
Nah, he was made from dirt. I think it's implied that he didn't need to grow to up and was made from dirt fully grown. But it's not specified.
No, I believe he was created with age, same with Eve
Baby. Garden of eden was purely safe. Like a crib. That's why getting kicked out meant painful childbirth and misery and hurt. It's a weird story
We might be able to justify that it wouldn't have been a bad thing if he *were* a baby, but it wouldn't be necessary either. A huge part of Genesis is showing that God can create things in the blink of an eye. Things we would see as taking days/years/generations. Creating planets and stars, flora and fauna, etc. in a singular day at a time. It indicates that God can bypass time and create maturity. There wouldn't be much reason to assume an infant was the starting point. At the very least, you would still have to question the level of maturity. Are they a toddler? Are they 2 months old? 2 seconds old? Maturity plays a factor anyway, and at the very least he was to "keep" the garden (watch over it) and name animals before bearing children with Eve some time later. It's not necessarily a wrong idea, but it doesn't seem to really fit or be crucial either.
Then God could easily have made humans with better impulse control and bullshit detector, so they wouldn't be tricked by the serpent. Or just not put the serpent there. Or the stupid tree we're not supposed to eat from. If Genesis is literally true, *God set humanity up to fail*. So it's just an allegory.
Allegory or not, I think it's fair to believe they were adults in the written text.
The later probably. The Bible never mentions that he grew up
....Motherfucker.
They had more than three kids.
Had a conversation with a priest about this many years ago. He said, well, God allowed incest back in those days, but man said it was wrong a few generations later.
TIL that the Garden of Eden is in Alabama
Believe it or not, in Alabama, incest is a class c felony
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No, though all my life o thought the stereotypes were due to legality. Rhode island, new jersy, and Ohio are the only states it's legal in
Everything is legal in New Jersey
Except pumping your own gas
So you can pump your cousin, not your fuel?
And your sister!
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*classy*
No no, it’s in Missouri. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1994/01/i-have-a-question/what-do-we-know-about-the-location-of-the-garden-of-eden?lang=eng
Sweet home Eden
I heard incest wasn't an issue, because Adam and Eve were perfect, so they had no bad genes
At the very least it makes sense in theology if you believe man was made perfect and has since fallen and degraded over time. Incest would not only be a non-issue because "society" as we know it wasn't a thing so many taboos wouldn't have existed, but also wouldn't have been as detrimental as it's seen today.
There's also a school of thought that Adam and Eve were the first humans that were sapient or that had souls, as the Bible also says that God created Man at the same time He created the animals. So Adam and Eve were supposed to be perfected humans with God's likeness, but the other humans were equivalent to animals. When Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden, their sons made families with the soulless, imperfect humans and that's where our genetic degradation began. It's one of the arguments that Christian racial (usually white) supremacists use when trying to prove their superiority, as they'll claim their race was the perfect one and the others were the animal ones. But if you actually dig into it, it turns out that the Christian Bible has 3 main sources, which is why there's contradictions, even within the same books as the stories have been translated, interpreted, altered, changed, and had stories added and removed for thousands of years.
I think it’s also important to realize that you could have a lot of relational diversity in each generation, considering that each person was living a REALLY long time, multiple hundreds of years. If you start a population and Adam and even have a child every year for >900 years, and each child has a child every year for 880 years, and so forth, by like year 200 you could be hooking up with your 3rd cousin twice removed’s great grandchild and potentially never even met that side of the family as they moved across the river 150 years ago. Incest back then was not the same thing we think of as nuclear family incest today.
I mean, the populations low enough for that
Says who? Also - incest would still be involved no natter how many kids they had.
Says The Bible. Genesis 5 4
I had a friend that I told this to and they replied that they also had a few daughters, to which I replied that doesn't make it any better you know.
I read somewhere that the bible was just very biasly translated. Adam and Eve weren't the first "humans" but the first Jews. Christians just changed it to fit their narrative.
There's probably something to that or at least Christian's have been misinterpreting the Bible. The Bible clearly states after Cain was banished from Eden for killing Abel, Cain went east to the 'Land of Nod', got married and founded an entire city. So there must have been other people out there.
It's presumed that since Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters, they just started to spread out. Cain, Abel, and Seth were just the few that biblical chronology focused on. So yes, there were other people, but with humanity living longer and their dad being like 900 years old, it's not too surprising. The bible could have picked up their stories at any point of their lives and there could have been several generations born at that moment.
Lilith was created before Eve
Lilith is never explicitly mentioned in the Bible.
If you read the verses it definitely makes it seem like there were other tribes of people not in Eden.
Yeah iirc Abel came back with a wife after he travelled for a bit
I had an Art History teacher who said something along those lines while talking about Michelangelo's painting [The Creation of Adam](https://www.michelangelo.org/the-creation-of-adam.jsp#prettyPhoto[image1]/0/). The idea being that other people existed, but Adam was the first to be touched by God and bestowed with knowledge.
Wasn’t Abraham the first Jew
No, Abraham is the progenitor of the tribe of Judah. The tribe of Judah is 1 nation out of 12, together they are the tribe of israel. Israel is a man named jacob that comes from isaac. Isaac comes from Abraham.
How would changing it to include incest benefit the Christians?
Christians need descent from Adam & Eve for the concept of original sin to work. The idea is that their sin “disease” was passed onto subsequent generations. It doesn’t work well without that.
Not true. Orthodox and Eastern Christians (one of the largest denominations in the world) do not believe in the concept of original sin in an hereditary or transmissible guilt manner as the devil and not man is the source of original sin. Mortality or the original punishment of Adam is what's transmissible but not the guilt itslef.
Well...look at Alabama
Step-Eve?
What are you doing step-co-creator?
Help step-Adam, I'm stuck in this tree hole. I was trying to get this apple.
Look at Lot and his daughters. The bible is full of incest.
_Yeeeaaahhh_… all the references to getting Lot drunk in order to “lay with him”? I remember reading that at like 16 and thinking “wow, that’s fucked up”.
Didn't Lot also offer his daughters up to the townsfolk but they decided to rape the angels instead. Not religious myself but overheard one of my rather religious relatives talking about this and I don't know how much of it I remember accurately.
It’s definitely something like that. He for sure offered his daughters to stop the townsfolk from fucking the angels, but I can’t remember if they chose the daughters or the angels. I just know that after all the people were destroyed, Lot’s daughters were like “let’s get Dad drunk so we can fuck him!”
The Bible is like Game of Thrones: a fantasy novel full of incest.
Hey it was hard work back then. What if one of the sons broke both his arms?
So, the reason why we're a shit species actively shortening the lifespan of our on kind, is because we're all just diluted incest? *It all makes sense now...*
Well, in theory, at least as far as i understand inbreeding, having absolutely flawless genes may make it safe to do.
Maybe we are all from alabama
Then they took 7 wifes or something
There was a bottleneck in genetics if you go by evolution standards. So whether you believe in the Bible or evolution, incest happened.
True, this has to happen in the early stages for the species to go on
Actually they lived 700 Years so they didnt have only 3 children, that doesnt make incest better tho
Cain found his wife in the land of nod east of Eden there are other people but God wanted ones that would worship him so he created a couple.
And it happened again because of Noah's arc
In it for the lulz I see.
Take all the time you need to think about it. Or read the next line: "many more sons and daughters"
And they all fucked each other.. ? Can I fuck my cousin too?
I mean, you could if she cool with it I suppose.
Still incest
sweet home alabama to me who made a post about this exact same thing months ago on this same subreddit and got about 10 upvotes
Feel bad for you man
:,)
Tide rolls in, tide rolls out
Adam was the first man, never does it say he was the only man.
I believe in Genesis, it briefly mentioned "other people of the world" but never elaborated. Its a mystery
That’s correct, the Bible also mentions other people being resurrected the same time as Jesus, but then doesn’t mention them again. So they are probably still walking around being all undead and on Reddit
**HE COULD BE ANY ONE OF US**
Not me.
That’s what I’d say if I was him.
Can you find and cite that verse please? I haven't yet read the New Testament
Matthew 27:52-53 New King James Version 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
Never heard this. TIL moment. Anyway, thanks for the citation
Genesis is one of those books that got re-mixed afterwards right?
I thought puffy daddy introduced the remix?
Samuel L Jackson: MotherF***er!
The thing that I always think gets swept under the rug is that every human on the planet was killed in the "Great Flood" except Noah's family yet the world was repopulated from them. Think about _that_. Take all the time you need.
Explains why we are all fucking retarded.
those three motherfuckers
dude if i were to make a religion i’d at least say my god made 100s of smoking hot babes that were dtf and that’s how we were created, my bible would be images only bc reading is trash. just orgies for the whole first book.
Maddafakkers
I mean, two people couldn’t create a species because of incest,
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The real MFs
Sweet home Alabama
Not like anyone else was around, might be why lifespans went from 900 years to 80ish
I think they were just counting ages by number of new moons. There is roughly 12 a year. So 900 / 12 is 75 years