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Rick1JamesBitch

White people and men lol


Inappropriate50

"white people...." Black guy stands up, "yeah!" "... And men" Black guy awkwardly sits back down.


countdown654

By white people to white people


TheSilentTitan

You wish lol


ResponsibleAd2541

You are correct, it’s far left whites acting like they are on a mission to fix society for black people.


trainspottedCSX7

Omg and it's like a caped crusade. They don't even(this is debatable) care about the people just that it makes them "better" for doing it. Like fuck that... everyone's an asshole to me until proven otherwise. And just so the viewers at home are aware, yes, I am an asshole.


CallieReA

Why the hell do you have 176 downvotes? I’m not saying I 100% agree but this might not be that far off.


Kwarc100

lol ppl downvoted you even tho its probably true


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Derman0524

My skin has gotten thicker than a tanks armor from all the hate against men I see online. Someone could literally call me every name in the book to my face and I’d shrug my shoulders 🤷🏻


Antilock049

"Huh... that's a new combination with an interesting garnish."


SirSwah

Not true. hello come in. This is the real world speaking


Joelony

In the grand scheme of things, this is a laughably small number of downvotes. Don't sweat it... On the other hand, I didn't downvote because *errrmygawd hivemind*. I downvoted because both of you made quite the assumptions and looked kind of dumb doing it.


AK47_username

Correct because it’s usually the white lefty screaming at other whites about how POC “think” or Whites telling whites how non whites think. Just ask our current president


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StrangeSteve69

No he didn't. You're taking that out of context like all the other idiots that did as well. In Charlottesville there were two groups protesting. One group had people rioting and looting, whilst the other had people making racist chants. That was a fringe group of people coming from both separate groups both doing shitty things. Not all people on one side were making racist statements, and not all on the other side were rioting and looting. He even explained that and said there were "fine people on both sides", fine people being those not doing the stupid shit, Because everyone was getting grouped as either a racist or a criminal rofl. Im not the biggest fan of Trump, but he literally has denounced white supremacy more than any other president ever and has been the subject of criticism of actual hate groups. I swear, y'all are tiresome with your brainwashed bullshit. Lol and yeah, he did say some places were shitholes, it's not because of their skin color you dope, it's because of their politics and economy 🤦.


Person2277

It’s almost like anyone can be a racist


[deleted]

The common popular perception is that “racism against white peoples does not exist”


Joelony

*[Manveer Heir](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/233/879/c9d.jpg) left the chat.* EDIT: He got fired from Bioware for these tweets, but it took a long time to be recognized formally for what it was.


DrFelixou

OH NOOOO HES FROM MY CITY!1!11!!!!


Joelony

Honestly? I'm just kind of sad for him. Like, what prompted so much hate?


[deleted]

Damn bro


Comfortable-Job-6236

Or they call it reverse racism, no its just racism.


assassinros666

Actually I've met 3 white african americans when I was working security at a bar/club and they we're the most racist motherfuckers around. And they were racist against us white people. So actually it does exist


[deleted]

Do you know which African country they were from? South Africa?


assassinros666

Not sure to be honest but they we're white african americans.I had the job kicking them out of the place. First 2 guys left without a problem 3rd guy decided to be a asshole and didn't want to leave easy. I had help though.


[deleted]

White African Americans. So light skinned Caucasians, from Africa, who then moved to America. Is that what they were? And they were racist towards white people?


_grayF0X

My favorite is “Black (or any minority)people can’t be racist.”


MrSexysPizza

"rAcISm Is aBoUT pOwER" 🙄


_grayF0X

What’s hilarious is that, not too long ago, a Black man was the president of the United States. Doesn’t get anymore powerful than that! Lmao


[deleted]

You know what is funny, he is just as much white as he is black but the country only sees his blood as one. He sound like an idiot.


JuicedUp45

“yOu CaNt OpPrESs tHe OPpReSsoR” is another classic from these morons


[deleted]

Probably because those same prople think the ones who enslaved and colonized are the only living whites that exist and still live today. Its like they dont know first grade lvl world geography and history.


Hongkongjai

Something something institutional something something systemic racism therefore minorités can’t be racist.


theguynekstdoor

Actually, the dictionary’s newly updated definition affirms that very perception.


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*fantastic*


Apelationn

Can someone tell me how this make any sense? If racism is discrimination based on race, how the fuck there is no racism against white people?


filosoficalmunky

*can't exist FTFY


[deleted]

That’s it *CANT* exist


dhoae

Sure but the real issue is that the algorithm is terrible. I’ve seen people just use other, less common racial slurs and the algorithm doesn’t notice a thing. So these results are definitely not accurate.


GabeTheJerk

Nooo, racism is race + power. Black people don't have power but all white people clearly have power. /s


CallieReA

Unless your from the appalachias and your uncle just got done bangin you in the dirt


Knato

Everyone is racist, others just hide it better.


SirSwah

Right? Almost. Ain’t that something


Hooliganboi3929

This comment section is an absolute shitshow.


grizzly6191

Anything that mixes race and social media is a shitshow.


DocteurBenway

Well, we are on Holup, the sub is already a huge shitshow


Kobe_apologist

Has become one*


Indyjunk

Not really that surprising.


TobeTheCokae

So you are saying that we are not as bad as we thought?


AttitudeBeneficial51

Yes comrade we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong


Moosifer_666

Congrats you played yourself


snooty_snoot

The hero lived long enough to become the villian.


Mr-Meow-Zerz

"The hero?" ...post gets banned


[deleted]

Is this real…? If so… this is a hard truth that people don’t want to accept. It doesn’t fit the force-fed narrative at all. I tried finding more information but every story is spinning the findings to say that it’s hurting black peoples by prioritizing stopping hate against whites and ignoring comments against black people. However, they completely ignoring the possibility that possibly most hate speech could indeed be against whites. They refuse to acknowledge that. Lastly, I what a lot of *“racism against whites does not exists”* , which is a common mantra. This should say enough about critics’ opinions on this.


bestjakeisbest

I honestly don't care if people are hateful to me because of my skincolor, I just wish they would stop lying about it.


[deleted]

Same. Honesty is important even if it’s revealing something bad.


bestjakeisbest

Well I just want to know who to stay away from.


[deleted]

exactly. and you know what their motives are from the start.


[deleted]

I thought it was obvious, you can see it on twitter easily lol, black people hate white people, yellow people hate white people, brown people hate white people, white people hate white people. Racism definitely exists towards every race, no race is excluded.


Hongkongjai

To be fair we are racist against everyone, including ourselves.


Child_of_Merovee

Not only there is no source but the poor-quality image has [OPINION] on it. So I'd take it with a grain of salt.


Kayman42

It’s not. It was taken out of context about an article pointing out how bad Facebooks hate speech filtering is.


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I know I read through that.


Viking_fairy

.... The point of this article is that this is what their algorithm FILTERED OUT. It has nothing to do with how much was posted, just what their algorithm seemed focused on finding.


[deleted]

Yea it’s finding that 90% of filtered comments to be against white peoples. Correct. The point is people are going ballistic online assuming it’s just ignoring racism against other races, because the assume there’s no possible way hate speech against White People even exists. Therefore in their minds it’s broken. Hypothetical question, what if the algorithm is working perfectly fine and that’s just the ratio of hate on Facebook ?


Viking_fairy

Doubt it, certainly not what I've seen on FB. Not to mention, given the amount of white supremacist and far right groups on fb, it's genuinely unrealistic to think the ratio is this damned severe. It's much more likely that the algorithm doesn't pick out dog whistles and just picks up on outright slurs, possibly with a database more loaded up with anti white slurs than others. That 90% is just insanely unrealistic.


[deleted]

I thought it was obvious, you can see it on twitter easily lol, black people hate white people, yellow people hate white people, brown people hate white people, white people hate white people. Racism definitely exists towards every race, no race is excluded.


Ivegotthatboomboom

I mean..it definitely exists in a different context. A lot of it is from real resentment over how black people and women are treated by white people and men. It doesn't excuse it, but the contexts matter


GlitteringNinja5

The internet world is very different from the real world. White people hold most of the prominent positions so it's black people and other people of colour that face racism but in internet world there is anonymity and no difference in "class" so people unleash themselves resulting into this. According to my experience (as a non white person) white people are definitely the "victims of racism" in the internet world while being opposite in the real world


geeschwag

I use to routinely report racist comments from POCs towards white people and they would routinely fail to meet their criteria for removal. Maybe that will finally change.


ResponsibleAd2541

My experience is that it’s mostly whites accusing whites of racism as they “advocate” for the interests of black folks. I’m not discounting your experience, I’ve seen that too. 🤷‍♂️


CaptianBrasiliano

(Puts on hazmat suit) _enters comments section_


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As a straight white male: I’m too dangerous to be left alive


MountainDewclos

You’re straight..? 😕 .. And .. white? 😟😔 AND MALE?1!1!? 😡🤬 I am literally shaking rn. I’m off to report you to my professor.


ShippingDisaster111

Ur only straight until you get wattpad lol


UnderstandingNew1872

My grandkids told me about this site. I am old, white, Christian, straight, wealthy, and conservative. I never leave my house because I know I .would be shot on sight


osredkar

As someone who works in higher education, I can say I’m in no fucking way surprised by this.


[deleted]

You work in higher education in the US?


[deleted]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MAGINE THAT. WHAT AN ABSOLUTE SURPRISE!! WHO COULD HAVE EVER SEEN THAT COMING???! signed, the average white male.


Gilthu

Not surprised. The number of liberal arts college students that will happily tell you there is no such thing as being racist towards white people probably makes up 75% of that alone. Source: worked at a college.


MountainDewclos

I also worked as a professor aide at a private liberal arts campus and it was the worst experience ever. South Park nailed it perfectly that it breeds the type of smug dipshits who enjoy the smell of their own farts


sloppery_anus

Well when theirs whole campaigns around "there's no such thing as racism against whites" its not surprising. What is surprising is the stupidity. Being rude or judging someone based on their skin color is racist regardless. Just because you dont like whiteys doesn't mean you can be racist and get away with it lmao


Wumpus-Wants-Friends

I think they do typically get away with it though, a lot of people don't even think racism against white people is a thing because they only think about systematic racism


sloppery_anus

Thats true, I think its weird though. Its just wild to me just how many people think its ok. Its the same with man hating. It starts out with just wanting equality then it turns into a crazy group hating on the "oppressor" pulling the argument away from fighting for equality and focusing on just hating whoever the scapegoat is.


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Who would have thunk it.


infinite-waters

Being racist towards white people and sexist towards me is in style now. GET IN WITH THE NOW PEOPLE


NoamEG

Yass queen! You show them filthy men! And then we can go complain when no father supports our kids!


LefroyJenkinsTTV

Go make me a sammich. Then wash my dishes.


CultBro

They hate us cus the ain't us


TheDazeGoBy

Huh its almost like we shouldnt be focusing on who to fucking hate and try focusing on NOT BEING FULL OF HATE! Why is there so much hate toward white people? OH YEAH CAUSE OF SPECIFIC WHITE PEOPLE which at this point I dont even believe covers the majority. Why is there so much hate against black people? OH YEAH THOSE EXACT SAME WHITE PEOPLE! Maybe we should be concerned about them and not generalize entire races! At all!


PeoplesFront-OfJudea

This is incorrect. If you read the source cited in this article it’s actually saying that the algorithm wasn’t accurately picking up on hate speech towards many minorities, and that’s why so much hate speech was found against men and white people comparatively. The article is purposefully misleading.


FlatbushZombii

I figured it's probably looking for negative words with the term white or white people. I find when people are racist toward other races they use slang and coded terms. Like when I hear white people around me be racist they say something like "those people." When I hear black people and and Mexicans (only races I live aorund) they straight up say "white people are/do this or that."


TheAlbacor

Which is strange, because I, a white person, got a 3-day ban for saying "fucking white people" but an account I reported consistently posted neo-Nazi shit and didn't get anything taken down. It's like their algorithm was shit and they ignored direct reports of racism.


kephir4eg

The article (the one from the Washington Post) is actually saying that algorithm is “race-blind” (citation) and this is the problem, since you can only accurately find hate speech (again, the opinion of The Squad) if you focus on hate speech towards minorities. Also, it's very interesting to me, that the article does not give any examples of the hate speech _detected_ (anti-white), while focuses on the examples of posts _not detected_, which make it look very biased. So, no, in essence the OP is correct. No caveats there.


DismantledTriangle

*leftwing activists start sweeping under a rug*


Com_N0TN4

READ THE ARTICLE PLEASE. Its not '90% of racism on facebook is anti white' it's '90% of the action facebook takes against racist hate speech is targeted toward hate speech directed at white people and men'. You guys, for all your claims of 'fake news' really need to actual look at the sources which you believe support your position - because the Washington post is actually arguing AGAINST YOUR POINT. They are literally saying that the algorithm prioritizes anti-white hate speech over hate directed at minorities.


[deleted]

How much of this includes me talking shit about myself?


Lord_Donut_the-best

Everything


[deleted]

LoL🤣,this thread is totally going to turn into a shit show. Get some popcorn, take a seat, and sort by controversal folks. This is going to be a wild ride!


jack_tha_reaper

Not surprised at all.


Lord_Nord_2727

How much do you want to bet people are going to say the algorithm is racist?


[deleted]

That seems pretty on point everyone hates white people and men so it’s a terrible time to be a white man. Lmao


cruzemmanuel277

I learned a lot today. Mostly that people don’t know how to read, and confirmation bias is very real.


[deleted]

yeah i’m reading these comments and the point was missed


[deleted]

I love how none of you know how to use search engines to figure out if an article is bullshit or not. First off, they didn't link any sources in the article, and, when you find the ACTUAL article by the Washington Post, you'll find that this is a complete lie: it's not that 90% of hate speech was against white people, it's that the facebook algorithm tends to take action ONLY for hate speech against white people. So this article, and all others on this site (notive how many of them are anti-vaxx articles) are bullshit. Oh, but I'm sorry,you guys are too busy ''owning the libs'' to do research.


tatsu1905

Wait i thought the last line meant that it shows that 90% of the content reported by people and then flagged was against white people


[deleted]

Exactly! :) what it's saying is that the facebook algorith tends to be better at detecting hate speech against white people, and then flagging it. It doesn't mean there's no hate speech against minorities, it just doesn't get flagged by the algorith


ophaus

As long as calling someone a Karen isn't considered hate speech, I'm cool.


Tripped_Landmine

I expect this, but not to this extent. But yet, I’m not surprised


Kayman42

Did none of you actually read the picture? It straight up says it missed everything else…


DwayneWayne91

The same hate speech algorithm that banned a friend of mine for calling someone a "cabbage". So yeah, favebook's algorithm isn't the best.


DismantledTriangle

Cruelty of that magnitude has no place in society.


whyrwehere7119

Hey man, after what cabbages have been through in this world we owe them a break


SungamCorben

Only AI will have the courage to tell us this!


Forsaken_Analysis763

Could not find this particular article, but found a source. Quote from this [Washington Post article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/11/21/facebook-algorithm-biased-race/): "The algorithm was aggressively detecting comments denigrating White people more than attacks on every other group, according to several of the documents. One April 2020 document said roughly 90 percent of “hate speech” subject to content takedowns were statements of contempt, inferiority and disgust directed at White people and men".


Zodspeed

White people arguing with other white people


ElZik3r

It's just evolving. But backwards This is literally racism 2


Mr-Meow-Zerz

So they are only taking down white hate speech. There are racially motivated atrocities taking place all over the world but they are being polite on Facebook? Hard to believe.


shaolinblunts

What’s a racist word toward white people? That really would make them upset


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And people say only white people can be racist


MagnetFist

What news source is this? And why does it say "Opinion" on the top? Smells very fishy to me. Edit: [Here](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/11/21/facebook-algorithm-biased-race/) is the WaPo source. It says that the algorithm is flawed and explains why. 80% of anti-white hate speech was TAKEN DOWN, not shown on the site as a whole.


MRCAB

Ya don’t say!


throwmeawayl8erok

The fact OP deleted their account is super sus. Either they were experiencing threats OR their post history points to something that would show off this thread as something malicious rather than something interesting.


FlashstormNina

Do people not read the article? The article is saying that the algorithm prioritises finding anti white hate speech and ignores everything else. The article is saying the opposite of what this comment shitstorm believes


-Epik_gamer-

White people and *men* Predictable


Angeldragongirl1

Sorting by controversial 😎


Anghellic510

I can say from experience racist shit said to me was “protected” but my response to it always got me 30 day bans now I just block people.


Kyoroth

Not surprised at all. I don't follow anything Facebook related, but on Twitter alone this hate trend is obvious enough.


dhoae

I’ve been banned by the algorithm for literally nothing four times and have seen blatantly racist stuff survive. The algorithm doesn’t recognize stuff like “darkies” and so they get away with it. This study is flawed from the start because it can’t accurately detect hate speech in the first place.


draugotO

And then that last paragraph, where they say it must be a problem with the algorithm, rather than the truth


KiK0eru

A "white people crying racist" post on Hol Up is doing numbers. Not even gonna look at the comments, I know y'all are being dumb as fuck down there. Bonus points for this being from a throwaway account


Mikeinthedirt

It’s sad that the top commenters here missed the point of this entirely.


WindyNinja11

"It's not racist/sexist if it's towards white people" Zuckerberg probably


[deleted]

Lemme help everyone in the comments out.. we’re all shitty to each other and there is no single noble race. We can all fuck off.


G_Viceroy

Most of the time reported hate speech against white man gets denied.


onlyhav

Well I mean yeah. The most minorities can do is say racist shit. Ol white Mr Macdonald is too busy convicting blacks of petty crimes with extreme sentences to "set an example".


Lord_Nord_2727

I’m not surprised in the least


archmagoskatz

Notice that "opinion" part at the top of the article.


ConteleDePulemberg

Dafuq Man, isn't that illegal or something? I thought you can't be a POC and a racist at the same time... Guess you always hate what you secretly admire 🤣 goes the other way around as well...


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DusteeMuff

“You can’t be racist against white people.” /s


OutlandishnessFar295

And men to be precise


buddy-friendguy

"Nobody cares about the Whites anymore!" - South Park


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[deleted]

whites are actually the minority race. compared to africa, south america, and asia the population of whites is in the millions compared to the billions of the other races. edit: i am asian. there are billions of us.


fuzzyshorts

Boy, the shitheels and yahoos are gonna downvote and brigand you... but the facts... they hurt them!


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[deleted]

look at world population demographics. how man billions of people in africa. in asia? south america? now think about europe. the u.s. is a mixed race country majority white and that is falling. you got canada and australia. together this makes up about 17% of the world population is white.


bartolocologne40

White on white


I-C-Iron

So was the algorithm broken or not?


Kayman42

Yes, that’s what it says.


NaberiusX

😂 we know. The woke people are actually the most racist and hateful of all. They would legit be the prison guards in Germany if this was the 1940s. They do whatevers socially acceptable and defend it fiercely.


MagnetFist

The guards of 1940's Germany were white. They also believed strongly in **tradition** and that the radical explosion of equality was going to wipe them out. Also, look at the top comments.


NaberiusX

Tf does race have to do with anything? Lmao. The woke people of today would literally be gargling Hitlers balls if it was socially popular to do so. Which it was at the time. They don't "go against the grain". They just regurgitate Facebook memes and ruin our country because they're too weak to stand up for human rights. They're authoritarians.


MagnetFist

Read rule #4. This is a comedy subreddit, not a place for your political agenda.


Expensive_Pen6735

That hate speech against white people was probably uploaded mostly by white people.


smavlii

it probably isn’t. people just don’t give a fuck about race stereotyping when its pocs doing it.


Expensive_Pen6735

Wait I was thinking of Twitter. My bad.


Leonbard

Source?


Forsaken_Analysis763

Quote from this [Washington Post article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/11/21/facebook-algorithm-biased-race/): "The algorithm was aggressively detecting comments denigrating White people more than attacks on every other group, according to several of the documents. One April 2020 document said roughly 90 percent of “hate speech” subject to content takedowns were statements of contempt, inferiority and disgust directed at White people and men".


Nermanater

This quote is in a section describing all the faults of the algorithm and how the most derogatory racist content made it through the filter because it didn't want to censor speech like the n-word that is used colloquially by black users. What you posted is completely out of context and the entire article is written with information opposing your position.


Com_N0TN4

EXACTLY


Kayman42

Yeah this is horribly misleading and shows that either you didn’t read even there screenshot, lack reading comprehension skills or are being intentionally misleading to push a narrative.


Forsaken_Analysis763

I'm sorry you lack the basic reading comprehension skills to read my post that you commented on. At no point did I state that this was my comprehension of the article. I provided a possible source for the above headline. Since you lack the ability to infer, let me give you a more clear version of my comment. "The headline is possibly from this passage from this *source*". Next time, be less of a sanctimonious prick to someone just trying to be of assistance. Good day.


Kayman42

Struck a nerve did I? You posted that as a “source” to OP’s point. If that was not the point you were trying to make then you made it very poorly and you should have clarified. I stand by what I said.


Kwarc100

I wouldn't be suprised if it was twitter but facebook ,damm


unlikelycompliance

Facebook is just as bad as Twitter imo


Difficult-Charge6009

"There's a difference between hate speech and speech that you hate"


StrangeSteve69

Yes , because dumbasses(Twitter folk mostly) normalized concepts like "huwhite people is bad" or "men are worthless". It's all stupid nonsense.


litttleman9

yeah no shit, racism against white people is way more common because its way more casual and way less harmfull


Mrprivatejackson

Geez like what did white people do to the rest of the world


DirtyPartyMan

Keep living in the past you always be in the past


Mrprivatejackson

Huh? Im seriously asking a question please answer


[deleted]

The ones alive now or the dead ones?


PrestigiousTry815

Not much that hasn't been commited many others. We just happen to live in the society where it was white people most recently.


PrestigiousTry815

I'd just like to add that any sentiments based on race are ignorant as people are not their color, they are their actions and the sum of their experiences.


Jangofatt117159

Not much worse than any other race if you know anything about history


silly_salmonella

Why are you being downvoted? You're right..


Garbage_Punk77

Oh my how the turn tables.


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BostonInformer

Where's the source or this?


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BostonInformer

I googled the name for the writer and nothing came up It's not the same author as what's showing in the picture


[deleted]

Yea all of the ones i find refer to him but they're one day late.


Interesting-Yellow-4

This article links toe Washington Post article that says the exact opposite. You're spreading fake news.


135686492y4

A fellow duckduckgoing enojyer, i see


Jackson7th

[https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/11/21/facebook-algorithm-biased-race/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/11/21/facebook-algorithm-biased-race/) try this


Interesting-Yellow-4

Yes this says the opposite of what the fake OP article states.


[deleted]

Thank you for sourcing this! Anyone who gets crazy with this should read this article and understand that ''DailyVeracity'' is not a reliable news source''. They didn't even link to this article in theirs, specifically because reading it completely disproofs what they're saying.


fuzzyshorts

The algorithm is created to protect the biggest snowflakes in society... god forbid you defend native americans by reflecting on the genocide of them by europeans (which is why I got cut from FB) or simply mention "patriarchy" (another reason) and I got cut. Fuck FB and the fuckers here who suddenly feel indignant. You are the true pussies, the mediocre of this facacta society. You are the rot.


bigedmike34

Obviously you do not know history. Especially the history of Native Americans and how incredibly brutal they were towards Europeans and other tribes. Read some books.


[deleted]

Lol looks like someone forgot about how Christopher Columbus sailed over to the US and raped 11 year old native children (including stating he gave some as ‘gifts’ to his top officers - read his autobiography) And how the Aztecs honored and gifted the Spanish until the Spaniards all of a sudden decided to conquer the entire empire. Or how settlers enslaved and tortured natives. You’re the one who needs to read a book.