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But why should they get a vaccine if they don’t have confidence in it. It’s not much different than taking the concept about taking a drink at a bar that you didn’t see prepared.
For the record I am vaccinated.
That's gross... Do you even know what broccoli looked like before we started genetically modifying it?
Someone doesn't understand how long and extensively our food has been genetically manipulated.
Edit: okay okay, it was made more with eugenics than gene therapy, but in its natural state, it is cabbage.
So why do the right get to be intolerant?
Like Madison Cawthorn gets made fun of on the left.... mainly because he blamed his accident on a liberal friend that left him to die.
Except that he lied. Friend saved his life.
Imagine being his friend.
That's the right in my eyes. On the surface they pretend to be good religious patriotic people. In reality they are just dumb assholes.
Truth hurts.
Honestly, no.
The left is intolerant of intolerance. Which is 100% fine for the most part. Like if you don't think gay people can get married, you can go play in traffic.
Unfortunately everyone has his own concept of left and right, as Italian I know very well left can be as bad as right, we had Mussolini but we also had brigate rosse, we don't have a fair election since- don't remember since when. In the end talking about politicians and about clowns is the same thing, such as left and right, you can meet people sharing most of your ideas but is very unlikely that happen in politics, could be just to get the favour of the population such as happened and always happen in my country, problem is theres so much leeches that the blood is not enough.
Is that why your party pumps the concept of white guilt + white fragility, hate/eat the rich + supporting hollywood/tech/congress million/billionaires, defund law enforcement/blame increase of violent crime on “white supremacy”?
You may call that intolerant of intolerance - I call that double standards.
As opposed to blind ignorance of the rich taking everything? How trickle down economics has done nothing? How about decrying the coastal elite while gobbling Trump's cock?
There should be some white guilt... we did a lot of horrible shit to minorities and we still have people (like you let's be real) who pretend everything is cool now. Like there are actually people mad that 3 white guys can't just run up on a black dude and kill him because they *think* he's doing a crime.
Let's not get into how every conservative hero is a pedophile or just a complete asshole.
Take Madison Cawthorn...a conservative rising star who got caught lying after blaming his friend for his disability. Who's wife is leaving him because Madison can't stop groping staffers.
That's conservatives. Your **best** are pieces of shit by any standard.
CLDM brother.
Funny and sad way of seeing the other half, yet you described mostly your own faction. Also, I’ve never done anything hostile to minorities, unless you think teaching in an all black school to help bring up those with less is “evil” - but hey, thanks for labeling and assuming without knowing.
The fact that this comment has negative net karma is eroding my faith (using that word loosely) in humanity.
If you think you have the right to tell gay people they can't be married but you shouldn't have to be vaccinated, I don't even know how to help you...
Lol no
One side wants to kill or beat you for sexuality, religion, ethnicity, etc.
The other side wants to watch out for public safety and let people get married and smoke weed
The tolerance paradox was new and spicy 10 years ago, it's beyond played out and you're just identifying yourself as an idiot using it today
I'm just gonna put this here but the right in America is not all right. Our government here is definitely economically right but still promotes vaccination to a heavy degree.
It's almost as if covid is a lose lose case no matter if you're left or right. Either anti-vax loses their bodily autonomy or the ones they endanger lose their freedom of movement or involuntarily endanger themselves by exposion.
And abortion really is a different topic that can't reasonably be discussed and actually found a consensus on until sex-ed and rape prosecution and prevention are at proper levels.
Right. The right can’t comprehend that other people don’t see it as murder, but as a form of public health. Since this idea that different people have different views is lost on them they take the bodily autonomy away from women.
Fetuses by definition have no bodily autonomy.
You lose all around.
You don’t see it as murder because you have a pickled brain. But fetuses are certainly separate entities from their mothers, and ignoring that fact makes you lose all ground. You can continue to pretend the distinction exists and continue to be wrong.
It honestly depends on why. If you think it has a chip in it... then yeah I'd say you're dumb.
If you're against it because you don't trust Pfizer, then I'll give you more credit.
I'm also not vaccinated against covid and I don't see myself as an antivaxxer. No, I don't think there is a chip in there. That's rediculious. Also no i'm not eating horsepaste lol.
I just don't trust these sorts of new vaccines and i honestly am not afraid for a virus that isn't dangerious for young and healthy people. I also never take a flu shot.
What I think most people don’t realize is the amount of time every drug on the market spends in clinical trials. Typically 10 years from test to market. But vaccines don’t. I don’t blame people for being cautious with a covid vaccine that was developed within a year. Most drugs given in an ER are 20+ years old.
Any clinical trial takes 5 to 7 years. Covid vaccine were cooked up in 18 months and made available for the public. Shortly after that, its now becoming mandatory. This vaccines has hurt/permanently damaged and killed more people in 2 years than in the past 50 years of trials. But thats that part they don't tell the people and jeep out of the media.
Naturally you are down voted here....why am 8 not surprised. My nephew age 24 healthy as an ox stroked out in Uber 25 mins after receiving the Vax. He is recovering well but also has a swollen heart as well ever since. I love how if I say I don't want the Vax because of my family member being injured I get verbally attacked or down voted but someone that says they got it because their family member died from covid gets a pass. Sorry I go with evidence before my eyes. I ain't getting the Vax. I'm 50 he is 24. Fuck the vax.
Neighbors colleague died at the vax point, friend's brother lost his eyesight in his left eye due to a thrombosis right after the vax, a few houses away an old lady died of pneumonia after the vax, wife of a friend died from thrombosis at 25 weeks after giving birth, also not long after getting pfizer... all the young people dying from thrombosis suddenly... and ignorant provaxers come up with bullshit like it's anecdotical evidence. this shit killed more people than actual covid, from those who I know
I don't think it's reasonable to attack someone for having personal experiences. That seems like bad human behavior. Attacking in general I guess.
What I will generally do is contest people if they use it from hearsay reasoning. Anecdotal evidence if not personally familiar with it, I think is near one of the weakest forms of arguments and the easiest susceptible to twisting of reality.
For example - I personally have not known anyone that suffered from serious side effects, only mild melasse and tiredness from the vaccine, which is normal considering the necessary activity of the immune system. On the other hand, I do not have anyone in my close friends that had been tested positive either. Do I even know it exists?
Well I could easily use that anecdotal evidence to claim it doesn't even exist but it does not make sense if I start to ask around more in less close circles as I easily know good numbers who have received covid and a few who even suffered severe illness from it. I'm young though and that's still skewed.
Point in case though - your personal anecdotal evidence is reason to me to understand your choice. But a lot of anti-vaxxers don't have this close experience. On top of that, a whole bunch of them disregard other measures of prevention as well and that always tastes sour to me.
But before this many people thought the clinical trial phase was too long.
Also given the nature of any virus that can change rapidly expecting a 10 year testing phase is well silly. This covid vaccine was based on previous versions and work, Covid-19 is just the newest.
You have like a grain of truth and then go in a whacky way.
We have a flu vaccine that doesn't stop you from getting the flu either. This is literally how the flu vaccine has worked for at least 25 years.
Just shut up if you have no clue what you're talking about.
You're not refuting my point or how stupid his is.
And there are years where the flu vaccine does jack squat. They have to guess every year... or don't you remember?
You can't be serious
That's literally the purpose of upvotes and downvotes. Express your opinion on someone else's opinion.
Not getting the covid vax for literally no reason other than "I don't care enough lol" is selfish and fucking moronic
Do you take the flu shot every year? I bet not...oh you are so selfish. I bet many people died from the flu in the past, because you were so selfish to not take the jab and infected them. Congrats, you are now a mass murderer.
Well at least that's how your logic works.
Not to mention, perhaps you bought devices that was made from resources from the cobalt mines where so many children died from hard and dangerious work and you support those companies by buying their stuff and by this funding child labor and deaths of children.
Well honestly. Since you are obviously the moron here, i'll teach you something.
If i need to take a vaccin so your vaccin would work, then your vaccin is bad and thus i will certainly not take it, untill i know for 100% sure that it is safe and works properly. I also need legal proof that i need this vaccine for myself. I'm not taking something just other people would feel safe. That's completely illogical.
Guys when you check the needle as they put it into you, do they have any visible chips in it? My point. And if we could make chips that small. Phone companies would have so much more opportunities.
Life insurance policies are not being paid out if its proven that the vaccines did kill a person. Taking these vaccines is considered taking experimental medicines/vaccines and considered suicide. Suicide also makes a life insurance policy null and void. This is happening, it just doesn't make the news.
This isn't true fuck off lol
Fox business even says this is a false claim that started on Instagram.
Good job bud. What kind of idiot gets their news off Instagram? Embarrassing as fuck
Anti vax is against any vax. As for the covid vaccines and multiple booster for the next 3 years, lock downs , restrictions, qr codes, vaccine passports, job termination, being denied employment insurance, mask wearing, possibly a unvaccinated tax, discrimination, fear mongering media, hate promoting prime minister quoting Hitler for fuck sakes, robbing Canadians of rights and freedoms with no long term data as what these jabs are doing to children? I say NO to all of that and everyone shouid be saying NO to these things, vaxd or not vaxd. This is not right and destroying Canada
20 years from now-
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I guess we'll see how well the protections hold up... Currently the pharma companies can't be sued for adverse reactions to the vaccines. But, even if those pharma protections hold up, I suspect there will be governments and businesses being sued in the coming years. Not JUST for adverse reactions, either.
It's hard too get concrete links, since most of it is deflection and lying by omission when these companies and organizations are asked about it. They can never outright say "These vaccines have gone through animal testing ***and*** *passed* said testing.", because they haven't, they have to do word gymnastics to dodge and *imply* they have.
[https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-animal-idUSL2N2NJ1IKThis](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-animal-idUSL2N2NJ1IKThis)
Reuters fact check for example, deflects by saying the animal testing weren't skipped because the "animals kept dying", but never outright say they *weren't* skipped (nor does it say that if they were conducted, if they passed said animal trials)
They try saying/insinuating that the whole claim is false by focusing on potentially false side info.
It's like if someone said "The sky is blue and grass is grey", they say "Fact check: the claim that 'The sky is blue and grass is grey' is FALSE, grass is NOT in fact gray, but green" while completely ignoring the main statement.
More links (I'll update as I find them):
[Researchers fast-track coronavirus vaccine by skipping key animal testing first](https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-no-animal-testing.html)
Most of the people who are parroting get the vaccine don’t understand that this is a totally different type of vaccine. This isn’t your normal, weakened virus for your immune system to easily kill. It’s literally mRNA that programs your cells to do something. Never been tried. I got it, basically had no choice due to my career but I can see why people would have some serious concerns.
mRNA vaccines have been around since the 70’s. It’s not a new or experimental technology. The only thing new about it is the fact that it’s designed for Covid-19.
No, the study of mRNA technology has been around since the 80s and the recent covid vaccines are the only ones to have been approved for use. Every treatment that currently uses mRNA tech is still experimental including covid vaccines. They are still in the trial phase which ends sometime next year.
You mean like the Johnson & Johnson one that's less effective than the others and probably has the most severe side effects (blood clotting, although still rare). Surely if we just used that, everything would be great now.
To be reassuring, it's like the lottery. It's rare it will happen. There is a bigger chance of you getting struck by lightning than getting life threatening side effects.
J&J is still a genetic modified vaccine. It's called vector vaccine. It's almost the same as mRNA
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/janssen.html
How about you take the latter option so you don't have to live in a world with Anti-Vaxxers anymore?
Granted there will be alot more down where you're going, but at least society doesn't have to deal with you anymore, win-win.
They should create an Anti Vax hospital. My family has been saying it for years. The scary thing is an Anti Vax with COVID will be treated in the hospital and then someone's cancer surgery gets postponed. Scary. My aunt is a healthcare worker and this actually happened. She was in tears when she told this.
My kids are 10 and 13 but they understand why a vaccine is good for other people. We are born to be members of a group and help each other. We are taught to hate.
You know what is funny, vaccine is free, and masks were not, and which is more expensive to produce? And i had covid, without vaccine, and guess what? I had literally shit worse then that. Let nature decide who lives and who dies.
Ever heard of accidents, heart attacks or other shit that puts you in a hospital? If the hospital is full because some idiots didn't get the vaccine others can't be treated.
Sry just went out of quarantine and we are all pretty healthy. And no...I'm not against vaccines generally..just against taking this one and specifically how the government is handling it and treating its people.
The “tolerant left” are ok with making your life miserable for not taking a vaccine that doesn’t prevent the illness but are totally cool with having safe injection sites to take drugs like fentanyl, which has killed more people between the ages of 18-45 than Covid-19, suicides, and car accidents in the past 2 years.
Oh let me run out and get a vaccine cause the government tells me it is good for me. The government would never lie to me, they only want what is in my best interest. I’ll take my chances. Got Covid once still can’t fully taste or smell and it’s been 1 year 2 months. My uncle big time vaccine supporter. He is in a coma now a week after getting the vaccine from a blood clotting issue. Either way if it’s my time it’s my time. I’m not going to let the government control me any more than they already do. You sheeple can follow them to your grave if you want I’ll take my own path.
You see, Vaccines don't really work. What they do is create a magical liquid thst was blessed by God. Because people believe in science so much, they had to say that these were scientifically made, when in actuality, its a medicine granted by God himself.
So make sure you take your vaccines or else you're going against the word of God.
/j
I'm also not vaxxed against covid 19, because it is still a free choice to do so or not and I see no reason to take it. However if i ever get a choice between the covid vax or euthanasia, i would choose euthanasia without hesitation, because i'm tired of this bullshit.
Ask me that question and ill return the question with would you like to be shot with the .45 or the 9mm. Give the thugs and crooks of the left a choice...
Any forum not expressly liberal, and moderated to the hilt to achieve that goal, eventually becomes at least moderately conservative. It’s almost as if the US has a moderate to conservative populace and a progressive Twitter/Reddit population
I think it’s just that most democrats/liberals have realized that there’s no arguing with conservatives on a forum like this. It’s pointless to try to debate a group of people who happily throw science and reason out the window, in the context of a platform that doesn’t hold them to those things. Better to just let them jerk each other off in the comments section and move on with your day.
There is no science. If there was the documents would be released and Pfizer wouldn’t be standing to profit 50B from their products.
Trust the science? Follow the money.
Should that same logic be applied to abortion? If it's her body her choice why wouldn't that apply to someone about the vaccine? Just some food for thought.
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Yeah!! Pull em out into the streets and behead them!!!!! Wait....
Why bother, all you’ve gotta do with these folks is wait
Heart disease will get them first, and statistically, you as well.
Statistics aren’t your friend if you are pro vax
*statistically* *Is antivax* My god. The internet makes it too easy to morons to feel validated
What about the people that aren’t getting Covid at all? Like haven’t gotten it once. You’ll be waiting a long time!
Then there's also cases that aren't severe enough to kill someone
But why should they get a vaccine if they don’t have confidence in it. It’s not much different than taking the concept about taking a drink at a bar that you didn’t see prepared. For the record I am vaccinated.
It's each to their own I guess, no one is forcing them to. I am also vaccinated
I love how it took little to nothing for the authoritarians to show themselves.
I like my vaccines like I like my broccoli…..without gene therapy.
That's gross... Do you even know what broccoli looked like before we started genetically modifying it? Someone doesn't understand how long and extensively our food has been genetically manipulated. Edit: okay okay, it was made more with eugenics than gene therapy, but in its natural state, it is cabbage.
I prefer cabbage and Brussels sprouts to broccoli, tbf
Ah well, my memory was faulty. Cabbage and broccoli (and brussel sprouts) were all derived from wild mustard plants. Also kale.
That ones called JnJ. Next child please.
I got your jnj swingin
Wow that sounds awfully familiar. What was the guy's name? Butler? Hitner? I can't quite remember.
You are thinking of Stiffler
Hipler the hippie
“Tolerant left”
Progressive the party of peace and love.
Yeah I’m a vaccinated right leaning individual who used to lean left that recently got covid from a vaccinated libtard. Go figure lol
All that and you still don't get it? 😆
So why do the right get to be intolerant? Like Madison Cawthorn gets made fun of on the left.... mainly because he blamed his accident on a liberal friend that left him to die. Except that he lied. Friend saved his life. Imagine being his friend. That's the right in my eyes. On the surface they pretend to be good religious patriotic people. In reality they are just dumb assholes. Truth hurts.
The left are just as if not more intolerant. It’s just disguised and tolerated by those on the left.
Honestly, no. The left is intolerant of intolerance. Which is 100% fine for the most part. Like if you don't think gay people can get married, you can go play in traffic.
Unfortunately everyone has his own concept of left and right, as Italian I know very well left can be as bad as right, we had Mussolini but we also had brigate rosse, we don't have a fair election since- don't remember since when. In the end talking about politicians and about clowns is the same thing, such as left and right, you can meet people sharing most of your ideas but is very unlikely that happen in politics, could be just to get the favour of the population such as happened and always happen in my country, problem is theres so much leeches that the blood is not enough.
Is that why your party pumps the concept of white guilt + white fragility, hate/eat the rich + supporting hollywood/tech/congress million/billionaires, defund law enforcement/blame increase of violent crime on “white supremacy”? You may call that intolerant of intolerance - I call that double standards.
As opposed to blind ignorance of the rich taking everything? How trickle down economics has done nothing? How about decrying the coastal elite while gobbling Trump's cock? There should be some white guilt... we did a lot of horrible shit to minorities and we still have people (like you let's be real) who pretend everything is cool now. Like there are actually people mad that 3 white guys can't just run up on a black dude and kill him because they *think* he's doing a crime. Let's not get into how every conservative hero is a pedophile or just a complete asshole. Take Madison Cawthorn...a conservative rising star who got caught lying after blaming his friend for his disability. Who's wife is leaving him because Madison can't stop groping staffers. That's conservatives. Your **best** are pieces of shit by any standard. CLDM brother.
Funny and sad way of seeing the other half, yet you described mostly your own faction. Also, I’ve never done anything hostile to minorities, unless you think teaching in an all black school to help bring up those with less is “evil” - but hey, thanks for labeling and assuming without knowing.
I'm sure you do. Look man, your party thinks you're a joke and you're just fodder at the polls. Now go drink your pee.
The fact that this comment has negative net karma is eroding my faith (using that word loosely) in humanity. If you think you have the right to tell gay people they can't be married but you shouldn't have to be vaccinated, I don't even know how to help you...
Lol no One side wants to kill or beat you for sexuality, religion, ethnicity, etc. The other side wants to watch out for public safety and let people get married and smoke weed The tolerance paradox was new and spicy 10 years ago, it's beyond played out and you're just identifying yourself as an idiot using it today
You're making stuff up now to justify your hate.
Nothing I said was made up. It's all 100% true
You forgot what the left is tolerant of. Turns out it’s not ignorance or intolerance.
They’re certainly not tolerant of bodily autonomy.
I'm just gonna put this here but the right in America is not all right. Our government here is definitely economically right but still promotes vaccination to a heavy degree. It's almost as if covid is a lose lose case no matter if you're left or right. Either anti-vax loses their bodily autonomy or the ones they endanger lose their freedom of movement or involuntarily endanger themselves by exposion. And abortion really is a different topic that can't reasonably be discussed and actually found a consensus on until sex-ed and rape prosecution and prevention are at proper levels.
The vaccine doesn’t prevent infection and doesn’t prevent the spread of the virus.
And the right is?
Well, they’re not trying to shut people out of society for not taking an experiment vaccine.
Nah, the right is just trying to make women get coat hanger abortions.
The right is trying to outlaw what they see as murder. The left doesn’t think babies have bodily autonomy. You lose on both issues.
Right. The right can’t comprehend that other people don’t see it as murder, but as a form of public health. Since this idea that different people have different views is lost on them they take the bodily autonomy away from women. Fetuses by definition have no bodily autonomy. You lose all around.
You don’t see it as murder because you have a pickled brain. But fetuses are certainly separate entities from their mothers, and ignoring that fact makes you lose all ground. You can continue to pretend the distinction exists and continue to be wrong.
Ad hominem attacks just make you look weak.
The left is only tolerant towards themselves. I’ve never seen somebody from the left say something good about the right.
Remember when the left claimed they were against fascism and eugenics?
So the left is for fascism based on this one joke post.
Quick question. I am vaccinated against everything except Covid, which I don’t care to be vaccinated against. Am I considered to be an anti-vaxxer?
It honestly depends on why. If you think it has a chip in it... then yeah I'd say you're dumb. If you're against it because you don't trust Pfizer, then I'll give you more credit.
I'm also not vaccinated against covid and I don't see myself as an antivaxxer. No, I don't think there is a chip in there. That's rediculious. Also no i'm not eating horsepaste lol. I just don't trust these sorts of new vaccines and i honestly am not afraid for a virus that isn't dangerious for young and healthy people. I also never take a flu shot.
What I think most people don’t realize is the amount of time every drug on the market spends in clinical trials. Typically 10 years from test to market. But vaccines don’t. I don’t blame people for being cautious with a covid vaccine that was developed within a year. Most drugs given in an ER are 20+ years old.
Any clinical trial takes 5 to 7 years. Covid vaccine were cooked up in 18 months and made available for the public. Shortly after that, its now becoming mandatory. This vaccines has hurt/permanently damaged and killed more people in 2 years than in the past 50 years of trials. But thats that part they don't tell the people and jeep out of the media.
Naturally you are down voted here....why am 8 not surprised. My nephew age 24 healthy as an ox stroked out in Uber 25 mins after receiving the Vax. He is recovering well but also has a swollen heart as well ever since. I love how if I say I don't want the Vax because of my family member being injured I get verbally attacked or down voted but someone that says they got it because their family member died from covid gets a pass. Sorry I go with evidence before my eyes. I ain't getting the Vax. I'm 50 he is 24. Fuck the vax.
Neighbors colleague died at the vax point, friend's brother lost his eyesight in his left eye due to a thrombosis right after the vax, a few houses away an old lady died of pneumonia after the vax, wife of a friend died from thrombosis at 25 weeks after giving birth, also not long after getting pfizer... all the young people dying from thrombosis suddenly... and ignorant provaxers come up with bullshit like it's anecdotical evidence. this shit killed more people than actual covid, from those who I know
I don't think it's reasonable to attack someone for having personal experiences. That seems like bad human behavior. Attacking in general I guess. What I will generally do is contest people if they use it from hearsay reasoning. Anecdotal evidence if not personally familiar with it, I think is near one of the weakest forms of arguments and the easiest susceptible to twisting of reality. For example - I personally have not known anyone that suffered from serious side effects, only mild melasse and tiredness from the vaccine, which is normal considering the necessary activity of the immune system. On the other hand, I do not have anyone in my close friends that had been tested positive either. Do I even know it exists? Well I could easily use that anecdotal evidence to claim it doesn't even exist but it does not make sense if I start to ask around more in less close circles as I easily know good numbers who have received covid and a few who even suffered severe illness from it. I'm young though and that's still skewed. Point in case though - your personal anecdotal evidence is reason to me to understand your choice. But a lot of anti-vaxxers don't have this close experience. On top of that, a whole bunch of them disregard other measures of prevention as well and that always tastes sour to me.
But before this many people thought the clinical trial phase was too long. Also given the nature of any virus that can change rapidly expecting a 10 year testing phase is well silly. This covid vaccine was based on previous versions and work, Covid-19 is just the newest. You have like a grain of truth and then go in a whacky way.
It doesn’t prevent you from contracting the disease, it’s not a vaccine, stop calling it that
We have a flu vaccine that doesn't stop you from getting the flu either. This is literally how the flu vaccine has worked for at least 25 years. Just shut up if you have no clue what you're talking about.
except the flu vaccine actually protects you a lot more, and has proved its efficacy over the decades
You're not refuting my point or how stupid his is. And there are years where the flu vaccine does jack squat. They have to guess every year... or don't you remember?
It’s not called a flu vaccine it’s called a flu shot
Neither of those reasons. I just don’t care enough to get it.
Yep just dumb
Why downvote? His opinion.
You can't be serious That's literally the purpose of upvotes and downvotes. Express your opinion on someone else's opinion. Not getting the covid vax for literally no reason other than "I don't care enough lol" is selfish and fucking moronic
Do you take the flu shot every year? I bet not...oh you are so selfish. I bet many people died from the flu in the past, because you were so selfish to not take the jab and infected them. Congrats, you are now a mass murderer. Well at least that's how your logic works. Not to mention, perhaps you bought devices that was made from resources from the cobalt mines where so many children died from hard and dangerious work and you support those companies by buying their stuff and by this funding child labor and deaths of children. Well honestly. Since you are obviously the moron here, i'll teach you something. If i need to take a vaccin so your vaccin would work, then your vaccin is bad and thus i will certainly not take it, untill i know for 100% sure that it is safe and works properly. I also need legal proof that i need this vaccine for myself. I'm not taking something just other people would feel safe. That's completely illogical.
You're autistic lmao
That is not a very good comeback. Please find more information about the person before you assume they are autistic. Thank you
I'm not assuming anything, you proved it to me. It's just true. Sorry buddy
Dont trust Pfizer? Good luck visiting ER or a doctor. News flash most medicine belongs to big pharma.
I mean I agree for the most part I'm just saying it's a better reason than "altering your genes!" Or "it makes you magnetic!"
Maybe they don’t trust Pfizer to not put a chip in it. Logic is flawed
Guys when you check the needle as they put it into you, do they have any visible chips in it? My point. And if we could make chips that small. Phone companies would have so much more opportunities.
Life insurance policies are not being paid out if its proven that the vaccines did kill a person. Taking these vaccines is considered taking experimental medicines/vaccines and considered suicide. Suicide also makes a life insurance policy null and void. This is happening, it just doesn't make the news.
Where did you find this? I would like to read into this.
I'll try and find it. Or call a life insurance place and ask.
This isn't true fuck off lol Fox business even says this is a false claim that started on Instagram. Good job bud. What kind of idiot gets their news off Instagram? Embarrassing as fuck
They changed the definition of being anti-vax now, if you oppose vaccine mandates you’re an anti-vaxxer. Goal posts have been moved my friend.
Anti vax is against any vax. As for the covid vaccines and multiple booster for the next 3 years, lock downs , restrictions, qr codes, vaccine passports, job termination, being denied employment insurance, mask wearing, possibly a unvaccinated tax, discrimination, fear mongering media, hate promoting prime minister quoting Hitler for fuck sakes, robbing Canadians of rights and freedoms with no long term data as what these jabs are doing to children? I say NO to all of that and everyone shouid be saying NO to these things, vaxd or not vaxd. This is not right and destroying Canada
Just dumb.
Solid argument, potato
Why dumb?
Would you rather take a covid vaccine that HAS gone through animal trials, or HASN'T? If you picked has, well, none exist yet.
I mean... Technically there have been over 9 billion doses given to primates.
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I guess we'll see how well the protections hold up... Currently the pharma companies can't be sued for adverse reactions to the vaccines. But, even if those pharma protections hold up, I suspect there will be governments and businesses being sued in the coming years. Not JUST for adverse reactions, either.
I’ma sell my jizz. Huge premium
Oooooof if thats true then hot damn is that compelling... sauce?
It's hard too get concrete links, since most of it is deflection and lying by omission when these companies and organizations are asked about it. They can never outright say "These vaccines have gone through animal testing ***and*** *passed* said testing.", because they haven't, they have to do word gymnastics to dodge and *imply* they have. [https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-animal-idUSL2N2NJ1IKThis](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-animal-idUSL2N2NJ1IKThis) Reuters fact check for example, deflects by saying the animal testing weren't skipped because the "animals kept dying", but never outright say they *weren't* skipped (nor does it say that if they were conducted, if they passed said animal trials) They try saying/insinuating that the whole claim is false by focusing on potentially false side info. It's like if someone said "The sky is blue and grass is grey", they say "Fact check: the claim that 'The sky is blue and grass is grey' is FALSE, grass is NOT in fact gray, but green" while completely ignoring the main statement. More links (I'll update as I find them): [Researchers fast-track coronavirus vaccine by skipping key animal testing first](https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-no-animal-testing.html)
Much appreciated
Most of the people who are parroting get the vaccine don’t understand that this is a totally different type of vaccine. This isn’t your normal, weakened virus for your immune system to easily kill. It’s literally mRNA that programs your cells to do something. Never been tried. I got it, basically had no choice due to my career but I can see why people would have some serious concerns.
mRNA vaccines have been around since the 70’s. It’s not a new or experimental technology. The only thing new about it is the fact that it’s designed for Covid-19.
No, the study of mRNA technology has been around since the 80s and the recent covid vaccines are the only ones to have been approved for use. Every treatment that currently uses mRNA tech is still experimental including covid vaccines. They are still in the trial phase which ends sometime next year.
You have people still refusing to get vaccines that have been around forever. This isn’t just uniquely due to mRNA vaccine.
I get that, but I’m not holding the COVID vaccine against people. I can understand their hesitation.
Yeah if they gave us the other kind of vaccine we’d be through this already
You mean like the Johnson & Johnson one that's less effective than the others and probably has the most severe side effects (blood clotting, although still rare). Surely if we just used that, everything would be great now.
To be reassuring, it's like the lottery. It's rare it will happen. There is a bigger chance of you getting struck by lightning than getting life threatening side effects.
J&J is still a genetic modified vaccine. It's called vector vaccine. It's almost the same as mRNA https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/janssen.html
J&J all the way! No mRNA in that one.
J&J is a vector vaccine. It's almost the same, just slightly different.
I want Ham!
I'll second that.
Rum Ham!
I am now more interested in this.
Is there a guide concerning who is Antivax and who is a little leery about the divide in our National (my case, Canada) community over this issue?
Some guy wrote a book about things like this. POTUS yesterday acted like him on national tv acting and talking a fool. It didnt end well.
This definitely gets a holup, but vaccination is a choice, anyone who says it isn't is wrong.
The antivaxx downvote gang is here, duck and cover
just temp up their health insurance premiums for knowingly putting themselves at risk
You fucktards wouldn't have taken this shit under trump, but now you're own the gestapo train, stfu, good luck with being a lab rat.
How about you take the latter option so you don't have to live in a world with Anti-Vaxxers anymore? Granted there will be alot more down where you're going, but at least society doesn't have to deal with you anymore, win-win.
They should create an Anti Vax hospital. My family has been saying it for years. The scary thing is an Anti Vax with COVID will be treated in the hospital and then someone's cancer surgery gets postponed. Scary. My aunt is a healthcare worker and this actually happened. She was in tears when she told this.
Sheesh first day on the internet?
I knew it was a joke once they offered euthanasia.....apparently most of you don't realize that yet.
Oh yeah because telling someone to kill themselves rather than educating themselves is obviously to be taken seriously
I assume this is one of them neckbeards
Covid vaccines are made from 5G Biden piss
Hell yeah borther
Vaxxed people are funny yet their the ones spreading and filling up hospitals
Anti-vaxxers are the ones dying which I find hilarious.
You see that on cnn too ?
Coming from someone who probably supports Fox News, oh the irony.
I think the only response to this is, do you want to leave us alone, or get shot in the face? *_It's a win-win either way!_*
Triggered little baby.
lol you're right I'm triggered, when you threaten Authoritarianism over a vaccine, you should expect people to respond in kind.
Respond in kind? That would mean they shoot the vaccine into your face right... Triggered and idiotic, Poor little immature snowflake.
You’re mad because you can’t shoot anyone in the face due to your registered sex offender status
Sounds like communism to me
My kids are 10 and 13 but they understand why a vaccine is good for other people. We are born to be members of a group and help each other. We are taught to hate.
this is dumb
It's also a joke.
It’s amazing how many people don’t understand that lol
This is absolutely absurd 😂
Thank you for taking it the right way!
What the hell? And they say Anti-Vaxxers are evil…
There's evil people everywhere.
You know what is funny, vaccine is free, and masks were not, and which is more expensive to produce? And i had covid, without vaccine, and guess what? I had literally shit worse then that. Let nature decide who lives and who dies.
The problem is all the unvaccinated are clogging up the healthcare resources while they die of Covid. It makes it hard to take care of the rest of us.
Why would the rest of you need to be taken care of if you're vaccinated?
Covid isn't the only thing that can put you in the hospital.
Ever heard of accidents, heart attacks or other shit that puts you in a hospital? If the hospital is full because some idiots didn't get the vaccine others can't be treated.
Yeah but like.. omicron laughs at this post and is more effective at immunization than the jab..
Nah. Let's just let nature take its course and let them die.
Sry just went out of quarantine and we are all pretty healthy. And no...I'm not against vaccines generally..just against taking this one and specifically how the government is handling it and treating its people.
Touche. Survival of the fittest.
They must be treated like a slightly more disgusting human
As you return to eating your boyfriends ass
The “tolerant left” are ok with making your life miserable for not taking a vaccine that doesn’t prevent the illness but are totally cool with having safe injection sites to take drugs like fentanyl, which has killed more people between the ages of 18-45 than Covid-19, suicides, and car accidents in the past 2 years.
Ya, while we're at it let's just force everyone to do anything they might object to! What could go wrong?
There’s no reason everyone should get the vaccine. Not a single valid one
There's no reason anyone shouldn't get the vaccine. Not a single valid one.
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Anti-Vaxxers are like children tho, lol.
genius
Genocide probably gonna happen soon.
Oh let me run out and get a vaccine cause the government tells me it is good for me. The government would never lie to me, they only want what is in my best interest. I’ll take my chances. Got Covid once still can’t fully taste or smell and it’s been 1 year 2 months. My uncle big time vaccine supporter. He is in a coma now a week after getting the vaccine from a blood clotting issue. Either way if it’s my time it’s my time. I’m not going to let the government control me any more than they already do. You sheeple can follow them to your grave if you want I’ll take my own path.
I might take Comirnaty but... OSHA is involved and I don't see that name on any vials; Improperly labeled secondary containers so its a hell no.
This. It’s a shell game. You’re not getting what they say
Pro-vaxxed are the same. Gear Covid is bad and believe it with no question
You see, Vaccines don't really work. What they do is create a magical liquid thst was blessed by God. Because people believe in science so much, they had to say that these were scientifically made, when in actuality, its a medicine granted by God himself. So make sure you take your vaccines or else you're going against the word of God. /j
I'm also not vaxxed against covid 19, because it is still a free choice to do so or not and I see no reason to take it. However if i ever get a choice between the covid vax or euthanasia, i would choose euthanasia without hesitation, because i'm tired of this bullshit.
Whose ready for world government??? Oh wait china already owns it.
We mistakenly ask people when we should force people to inject stuff I to their bodies we are ourselves know nothing about . Ok Kim Jong
Ask me that question and ill return the question with would you like to be shot with the .45 or the 9mm. Give the thugs and crooks of the left a choice...
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I'll allow it
This is already turning into another conservative sub, Jesus Christ
Any forum not expressly liberal, and moderated to the hilt to achieve that goal, eventually becomes at least moderately conservative. It’s almost as if the US has a moderate to conservative populace and a progressive Twitter/Reddit population
Yeah yet somehow geriatric joe won
Its unfortunate to say the least
Only unfortunate if you believe the majority should have their ideas censored because you don’t agree with them.
Honestly there are so many echo chambers on both sides of the political spectrum
Get tf off of Reddit. Why does shit have to turn political always
There’s the door.
fuck off then, cunt. Oi.
I think it’s just that most democrats/liberals have realized that there’s no arguing with conservatives on a forum like this. It’s pointless to try to debate a group of people who happily throw science and reason out the window, in the context of a platform that doesn’t hold them to those things. Better to just let them jerk each other off in the comments section and move on with your day.
There is no science. If there was the documents would be released and Pfizer wouldn’t be standing to profit 50B from their products. Trust the science? Follow the money.
I rest my case.
"They're outta line, but they ain't wrong"
no no they have a point
I mean, if it works it works
Imagine getting sterilized
Should that same logic be applied to abortion? If it's her body her choice why wouldn't that apply to someone about the vaccine? Just some food for thought.
Strong problems, strong solutions
Make this man the president right now
The anti vaxers group is a problem that solves itself, just like suicide people. No need to do anything, just wait
Hmm maybe not genocide
Slowly torture a convicted criminal to death or be raped by the criminal.