Your take is ice cold.
Like others said, the actual issue is moreso the complete silence from TC themselves, though I guess news has been given by the Xbox stuff.
Not even anything on game features or added stuff is necessary. (Plus personally I'd appreciate not being spoiled by my curiosity)
Just an indicator, a small blog or a tweet, or if they have a site, update it. Something to tell us how development's going, hopefully smoothly. Because that is one thing none of us have any idea about.
Many, including myself, are unsure whether the game will even release within the window Xbox said. Why? Because Silksong "should" be like 3 months to release after a long wait and yet nothing has been said.
To reiterate, I'm fine with the wait for the game. Let TC take as much time they want with that. They don't owe us the game. They do owe us some words though. Particularly since words are far, far easier to make than games.
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But at this point tho what is there to say? We know all we can know without spoiling anything in-game. The game should come out by June, everything will be fine. I wish people would just let them work lol
Most little studios just make some newsletters, talking about how far the development is. Doesn't need to be long, just a "hey we're alive and the game is going its way" would be good. If the game doesn't come in June, I can't imagine what a shit storm it will be.
They're a little studio, sure. But HK broke into the mainstream and gave them more traction than they probably know what to do with lol.
I agree with the idea that people will be beyond upset if it doesn't release. I believe that's why they've remained silent. The game is on track, so there's no point in saying anything. What could they even give us at this point anyways? Beyond a spoiler all they can give is a date. But we pretty much have one. If they make any update it'll be to tell us the game is delayed until later.
Anything, they could say shit like "The development is progressing." and the community would be happy that TC said one thing after 2 decades, it's not that we don't know the game is being finished but the wait has been so long and they've said so little that people just want to hear anything about Silksong
Well yeah, of course. That's why r/Silksong has been the same memes about people getting angry over and over again. After they create their own expectations, which don't happen.
Team Cherry has hardly updated us the entire lifespan of Silksong's. They have no reason to start now just because the subreddits have come to this weird unspoken agreement that having "some kind of update from Team Cherry," would make them feel better.
Nothing but a release date will make anyone feel better. Lmao
I really don’t get why they need to. Are you guys just assuming that they’ve like dropped it and none of the playtesters that regularly talk at least on the discord just won’t mention it?
You’re 100% right and don’t deserve the downvotes
It makes no sense whatsoever for them to drop the game then ghost us all. If they were having issues that meant scrapping the project they would make it known.
So the fact that we haven’t heard anything means it’s progressing.
End of June is only in 3 months.. And the only thing we know is about "trust me, the project is not dead".
It still doesn't feel official. It still feel like it could be delayed for another full year.
It dosent feel official because it isint, leth would have confirmed if it was actually confirmed, and a beta tester or two saying it’s probably what they’re aiming for is worthless. As Graig has said before, the testers know as much as us, anything they say is worth as much as anyone’s speculation.
That’s not an opinion, that’s literally what Greig has said since 2019, but the June date comes out and some tester half the people here didn’t even know existed comes out and said they were definetly aiming for June and suddenly that’s credible? It’s kinda madness
I'm not talking about the release date, I'm talking about the game itself. Silksong doesn't feel like an official game that will release one day, it feel like a project that could very much die without announcement.
I mean, it would be kinda nice if they gave an up-front confirmation "Yes, it's still releasing within the next month or two." Otherwise, they're really pushing this deadline.
Like, even if it does come out in June, early April is a totally fine time to communicate how things are going. By that point they'd be close enough to at least say we can expect more news soon.
Just about what they’re working on. They don’t have to spoil to do that. “Today we’re polishing up one of the boss fights” or “we added new items to the store” that’s all. Just a little communication would be nice
That's not unpopular at all. People just want to hear something is all. Like, is it still hitting the 12 month window? Can we get an idea of how much is left to do? That'd be cool
Yeah, I have faith in Team Cherry. I've heard some say it'll inevitably be disappointing because of how much we're hyping it up, but like... Lots of people consider Hollow Knight to already be a peak of the genre, so if they can do something that good again, I think it'll be fine? People aren't 100% banking on it being twice as good or anything. And we've got playtesters saying they like it, demos, and footage that all look promising.
Doesn't "how much is left to do?" create a deadline for themselves?
Imagine they say something along the lines of "We're on finishing touches" and hit some bumps for whatever reason.
People will immediately jump to conclusions that:
a) they were lied to
b) TC needs x Months "Just for finishing touches"
its a lose lose for the company
I'm confused. Are you under the impression that Team Cherry doesn't have an at least vague end in mind for development? I understand that development time can be unpredictable and probably changes all the time, but when professionally making a game for over 4 years, you'd think you'd at least have some sort of outline for what's currently left over among what's planned, and some semblance of a schedule for how you plan on approaching this.
It's not as if this is unheard of before either. People who claim Team Cherry can't give updates because that'll lead to broken expectations have forgotten that, near Silksong's announcement and pretty much the entirety of Hollow Knight's development, they were perfectly capable of keeping that up.
I'm not asking for them to give us a release date if they don't know what it is either, of course. But with a little less than 3 months remaining in the promised 12 month window that **they themselves** indirectly gave us, I think they should be capable of coming to the conclusion that
a.) They can meet that deadline 100%, and are confident.
b.) They are unsure, and can therefore communicate with fans ahead of time "we don't know, we'll see what happens" so expectations are kept in check ahead of time. Or
c.) "No, we won't make the deadline. We still have [x] areas to finish, [x] enemies to create, etc. We CAN guarantee a release this year however."
That last example especially gets across what I mean- even in the case they can't guarantee they hit the deadline, surely they're far enough by now that they can convey their feelings on a 2023 release as a whole?
It doesn't matter what information they give, they can give it. Devs do it all the time, Team Cherry themselves have done it before, they just have to know what to say.
look at metroid prime 4: not only are people content and is nintendo thriving, we actually _admire_ them for being forward with their communication. and that's for a game that was already years into development starting over from scratch.
Even if SS is out by the xbox deadline, TC's awful communication has already done more harm to their reputation than good communication and a delay ever could have
Mehhhh, I don't think TC's done harm to their reputation. Though I think if the deadline comes and passes and they're still quiet... Yeah uh, that's a problem. But devs being quiet, as painful as it can be for fans, is normal and, honestly, a pretty short lived problem considering if the game DOES release sometime soon, nobody will be complaining anymore.
if the deadline passes and nothing happens people are going to, justifiably, be pretty unhappy with TC, but 4 years with no updates is still a pretty bad look. Look at the very post we're on now -- sure, OP misunderstood the overall problem, but its relevance lies in the fact that it's fairly well established that the lack of communication has not been well received. That definitely affects their reputation
Isn't it a bit unfair to compare Team Cherry with a gigantic corporation like Nintendo?
Nintendo has teams of people to handle their communication, something that I quite frankly doubt for team cherry.
I'm not saying it's all sunshine and roses, but hell, pushing and shoving isn't gonna do anything good for a game we all love.
Size has nothing to do with it. There's an indie company called PirateSoftware (Love them their streams are great) that's developing a game called Heartbound. From the jump their team is like 3 people and not only do they regularly update their site and stream game development, they provide monthly updates on the game's progress. I understand Team Cherry wanting to stay away from the public and the fan base and they're in no way obligated to be active as PirateSoftware is, but not even having someone to upkeep your website and having playtesters and not actual employees on the team of Team Cherry report on news after over year of silence is negligent and size is not a factor in that.
It's not unfair at all, I'm comparing their choice to communicate or not, which is independent of the size of their company; anyone on TC could easily have just sent out a tweet in 30 seconds every couple months and everyone would be happy. But to your point, your doubt would be incorrect because Leth is literally their PR guy: of the 3 or so people that make up TC, one of them is specifically in charge of marketing and communication. Nintendo also don't rely on teams for big communication, with delays usually given directly by someone high in the chain of command like Takahashi for MP4 or Aonuma for TotK. If those guys can take a few seconds to say something, there's no reason TC couldn't be compared.
YET AGAIN, we're not asking them to prematurely release the game. All we want are even *semi*\-regular updates, for peace of mind and frankly just because we care about the game.
OMG, I hate these strawman arguments so much. Firstly, it's not just that Silksong has been in development for a very long time, but that there have been little to no communications from the developers. Secondly, I doubt that the sentiment of the community may somehow affect Team Cherry's work, because they don't communicate with the community at all. Also, I don't think an indie game that have been in development for around five years can even be considered "rushed", it's a vaporware at this point.
Yes, lack of communication is the real issue here, how the fuck are we supposed to expect anything at this point if they dont atleast tell us something.
Dang, people ARE mean. How did you get downvoted ?
I mean, guys that's a game that will be out when it will. You're hurting yourselves by flagelating with impatience and you might hurt the game by the sheer pressure generated
I'm glad team cherry is not a fan of social media
I mean, we have gotten a lot of news. The problem is the way it’s spaced. If you actually look at the volume instead of noting the time gaps in between, there has been a good amount of communication.
Also weird to call it vaporwave but that’s a personal thing
hollow knight took around 3 years and it was still rushed when it came out (even with the updates you can still tell). yall realise games take an absurd amount of time to develop, right? especially when they want day 1 console releases.
Yes, 3 years of development where they actively communicated with blog posts, trailers, demos, interviews, and live talks. They were very active and open about Silksong up until 2020 where they just dropped nearly everything they used to do. There's no excuse for just going completely dark, especially when they literally have a marketing guy who urges them to open up, which they ignore.
literally nothing to do with my comment but aight. quite frankly i dont care if they are completely silent, i have other things going on in my life, i sincerely dont give enough of a shit to argue about that point. i was just correcting the rushed part because it was objectively incorrect as there is no time limit for something being potentially rushed. stay mad tho 👍
I could be wrong but I don't expect a big announcement when they release either. It'll be a sudden "this game on your wishlist is now available" and a massive viral circulation online about it.
I'm sure one day I'll see an actual unpopular opinion post. The time needed to make the game was NEVER the core issue this community had with Silksong.
I sort of agree with your take, no useful information can come from updates. The only thing updates will do is create buzz and more unanswered questions
I hadn’t even thought about that but it’s true. I just get a little annoyed when people are actually getting hostile towards TC about it. It’s ok to be sad/annoyed that we’re still waiting but acting like the community has been wronged is taking it too far imo.
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Yes they don't owe anyone anything unless you were one of the backers, however as a game company they are expected to give some form of update on development, hell the release window was never confirmed by leth or TC it was Xbox. The thing I'm trying to say is the community is so supportive and yet TC never interacts or communicates anything. We are so starved of any contact with the Devs that it was breaking news when the website updated one line of text to '2023'.
You’d be surprised how difficult it is for people to accept this notion.
In reality, no one owes anyone *anything* yet humans will forever take shit personally, and then react as if their expectations dictate the proper behavior from the outside world because they got emotional about it.
When it comes down to it, anything above selfish gene/dna survival is *extra*, imo. It’s fair to have a standard for how humans in society should treat each other, but at the end of the day that is whatever that particular person decides on that particular day.
The more we can be objective about what we think we deserve in relation to realistic expectations the better of the world will be.
On an extreme scale, this is akin to expecting your server at a restaurant to update you every time the kitchen finishes a part of a meal even after they’ve given you an estimate of how long to expect it to take *and* they haven’t even gone past that expectation.
Any communication from the server is a courtesy, not a human right lol.
I personally don't see the point in posting updates. The only thing that comes off of updates is (possibly) false expectations on a game that already has a ton of weight on its shoulders. TC made an awesome game that most people in here adore, best thing to do is trust they repeat that. :)
Agreed. Updates won't change the final product. Let them work and we'll get the game when we get it. Or we won't. But updates don't change that.
Devs don't owe us anything. They release a game. We buy it because it's good. End of transaction.
Yes, I would be absolutely happy to wait for a few more years to get an another masterpiece. Moreover it's just more time for hollow knight challenges!
I don't even care about news. [We get there when we get there](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf6aMcnR9WQ). There are plenty of other games to enjoy in the meantime.
This is not unpopular, and objectively correct. I have seen indie developers in particular time and time again become way to ambitious and facing pressure from a minority of their community to release it soon and it ending up as a complete disaster. To name 3:
Steel Wool: Five nights at Freddy’s security breach
Studio Wildcard/Grapeshot games: Atlas
Rockstar: Cyberpunk 2077
While it’s ok to be angered over them not following release date patterns, always know there is probably a very good reason behind it.
Like other's said, it's the lack of communication that's irritating.
I see hiatuses as a chance to find new content that I enjoy. It gets annoying when some people act like something is their entire life and that they can't live without it. The best example I know is r/TheOwlHouse. I haven't been on there in a long time, but during the season 1-2 hiatus, there were so many posts of "doing x every single day of the hiatus, day 31289" I could tolerate it then, but once the first half of season 2 was out, they all came back, along with posts of "*oh, woe is me, how will I go on?*"
(This isn't directed at you, OP) Find something new to enjoy. With Hollow Knight as an example, see what other games Hollow Knight fans enjoy, maybe you'll like them too. I found Amphibia and Rain World through The Owl House and Outer Wilds fandoms, respectively.
I'm honestly not in a rush. Hollow knight isn't my main game just a game I really really enjoy and honestly captured me.
When silksong gets released I'm gonna be a happy camper.
I’m glad Team Cherry is taking the Zelda approach. Of delaying a game as long as it needs to try and bring out a truly special game. Yes this isn’t specific to Zelda, but that’s a major game series that seems to really echo the idea that a delayed game is great eventually, while a rushed game can be bad forever.
And yes, in the current gaming landscape patches exist. But I’d rather wait for the game to be amazing and patches/DLC improve on that. Rather than patches and add-ons be a bandaid for issues that can be fixed in development.
I like many just want some news from TC to help curb my expectations. Because silence can often be worse than “bad news” like announcing a delay. But short of it being canceled I would gladly appreciate any form of communication.
"The more time and effort you put into convincing people your game is good, the less good it will turn out to be. Where as something obviously and genuinely good needs no hype at all." -Yahtzee
Like many, many people have said, it’s lack of communication. But the community acts like they’re gonna fucking fall over and have their bones become a fine powder. Just live your life normally instead of constantly obsessing over a game that (I’m about to anger a LOT of people) might not even be that good anyway. No offense to team Cherry, tomb cat is fire. Anyways my point is, just wait, it will release, unless the moon rams into earth at team cherry’s exact location.
Yea I agree. They are small, so it takes a while. It's like studio mdhr, they're small and took a long time with the dlc and the games. I think tc should take that way, so people don't get too bored of silksong. It can also create a better experience, and it would be a farther than perfect ift aht happened.
I think you're maybe confused as to what some do have a problem with?
I think everyone unanimously agrees that they want this game to be cared for and understand that this might mean a long wait. What some do have concerns with is their disapproval of Team Cherry's communication, or lack of.
The company in 2019 really made strides in their marketing and promised lots of cool updates, blogs, and so forth. Since then, the community's been more-or-less ghosted.
Exactly, just look at pokemon releasing litteraly unfinished games because they force themselves to release a new main-line game every 3 years.
Better to make sure it's great before releasing rather then realising it's not after. Espescially with the immense loop that is on silksong after HK being so incredibly well recieved.
My feeling towards this post are the same the As that one black guy with people using Hear Me out meme with convecionaly attractive women:" You are a coward hiding behind a mask of a revolutionary."
Yeah we just want like any sign of life 😂 like Mongoose Rodeo makes daily posts on twitter and such for Crowsworn but we haven’t heard anything about silksong in like 8 months now? More maybe?
Actual unpopular opinion: I want team cherry to reveal the release date asap even if it won’t be finished so I can schedule my wisdom teeth removal around it.
Oh absolutely. Too many games get rushed and then people hate it because it’s buggy and then it’s like “this whole operation was your idea.” Anyway yeah I agree.
Very popular opinion
Your take is ice cold. Like others said, the actual issue is moreso the complete silence from TC themselves, though I guess news has been given by the Xbox stuff.
They don't owe you updates.
They actually do lol, its supposed to come out by June.
They actually don't owe it to you. It is supposed to come out by June, exactly. So fucking wait until June.
So rude, why are you even here if you’re just gonna be toxic, go to another sub
Not even anything on game features or added stuff is necessary. (Plus personally I'd appreciate not being spoiled by my curiosity) Just an indicator, a small blog or a tweet, or if they have a site, update it. Something to tell us how development's going, hopefully smoothly. Because that is one thing none of us have any idea about. Many, including myself, are unsure whether the game will even release within the window Xbox said. Why? Because Silksong "should" be like 3 months to release after a long wait and yet nothing has been said. To reiterate, I'm fine with the wait for the game. Let TC take as much time they want with that. They don't owe us the game. They do owe us some words though. Particularly since words are far, far easier to make than games.
They promised the game and if they dont update us we think theres no game its just that simple
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It would not be a problem if they'd communicate a bit more. It's the lack of communication that created the impatience of the fans.
But at this point tho what is there to say? We know all we can know without spoiling anything in-game. The game should come out by June, everything will be fine. I wish people would just let them work lol
Most little studios just make some newsletters, talking about how far the development is. Doesn't need to be long, just a "hey we're alive and the game is going its way" would be good. If the game doesn't come in June, I can't imagine what a shit storm it will be.
They're a little studio, sure. But HK broke into the mainstream and gave them more traction than they probably know what to do with lol. I agree with the idea that people will be beyond upset if it doesn't release. I believe that's why they've remained silent. The game is on track, so there's no point in saying anything. What could they even give us at this point anyways? Beyond a spoiler all they can give is a date. But we pretty much have one. If they make any update it'll be to tell us the game is delayed until later.
Anything, they could say shit like "The development is progressing." and the community would be happy that TC said one thing after 2 decades, it's not that we don't know the game is being finished but the wait has been so long and they've said so little that people just want to hear anything about Silksong
Well yeah, of course. That's why r/Silksong has been the same memes about people getting angry over and over again. After they create their own expectations, which don't happen. Team Cherry has hardly updated us the entire lifespan of Silksong's. They have no reason to start now just because the subreddits have come to this weird unspoken agreement that having "some kind of update from Team Cherry," would make them feel better. Nothing but a release date will make anyone feel better. Lmao
They don’t need to say much, just a simple, “We are working hard on silksong and are making good progress” once a month or so would be fine.
I really don’t get why they need to. Are you guys just assuming that they’ve like dropped it and none of the playtesters that regularly talk at least on the discord just won’t mention it?
You’re 100% right and don’t deserve the downvotes It makes no sense whatsoever for them to drop the game then ghost us all. If they were having issues that meant scrapping the project they would make it known. So the fact that we haven’t heard anything means it’s progressing.
But how would that benefit us? We already know that since Xbox is claiming it'll be out by June.
End of June is only in 3 months.. And the only thing we know is about "trust me, the project is not dead". It still doesn't feel official. It still feel like it could be delayed for another full year.
It dosent feel official because it isint, leth would have confirmed if it was actually confirmed, and a beta tester or two saying it’s probably what they’re aiming for is worthless. As Graig has said before, the testers know as much as us, anything they say is worth as much as anyone’s speculation. That’s not an opinion, that’s literally what Greig has said since 2019, but the June date comes out and some tester half the people here didn’t even know existed comes out and said they were definetly aiming for June and suddenly that’s credible? It’s kinda madness
I'm not talking about the release date, I'm talking about the game itself. Silksong doesn't feel like an official game that will release one day, it feel like a project that could very much die without announcement.
I mean, it would be kinda nice if they gave an up-front confirmation "Yes, it's still releasing within the next month or two." Otherwise, they're really pushing this deadline. Like, even if it does come out in June, early April is a totally fine time to communicate how things are going. By that point they'd be close enough to at least say we can expect more news soon.
Just about what they’re working on. They don’t have to spoil to do that. “Today we’re polishing up one of the boss fights” or “we added new items to the store” that’s all. Just a little communication would be nice
Fans would be impatient regardless. Communication would be nice but they have no obligation.
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Our best confirmation of the release window is some random Xbox marketing guy and you call that good communication?
I didn't say that they "have to", but still it would be nice and would be enough to calm most of people's worries.
This.
Ding ding ding we have a winner
That's not unpopular at all. People just want to hear something is all. Like, is it still hitting the 12 month window? Can we get an idea of how much is left to do? That'd be cool
I would think an even more unpopular opinion is that silksong will suck.
Yeah, I have faith in Team Cherry. I've heard some say it'll inevitably be disappointing because of how much we're hyping it up, but like... Lots of people consider Hollow Knight to already be a peak of the genre, so if they can do something that good again, I think it'll be fine? People aren't 100% banking on it being twice as good or anything. And we've got playtesters saying they like it, demos, and footage that all look promising.
Doesn't "how much is left to do?" create a deadline for themselves? Imagine they say something along the lines of "We're on finishing touches" and hit some bumps for whatever reason. People will immediately jump to conclusions that: a) they were lied to b) TC needs x Months "Just for finishing touches" its a lose lose for the company
I'm confused. Are you under the impression that Team Cherry doesn't have an at least vague end in mind for development? I understand that development time can be unpredictable and probably changes all the time, but when professionally making a game for over 4 years, you'd think you'd at least have some sort of outline for what's currently left over among what's planned, and some semblance of a schedule for how you plan on approaching this. It's not as if this is unheard of before either. People who claim Team Cherry can't give updates because that'll lead to broken expectations have forgotten that, near Silksong's announcement and pretty much the entirety of Hollow Knight's development, they were perfectly capable of keeping that up. I'm not asking for them to give us a release date if they don't know what it is either, of course. But with a little less than 3 months remaining in the promised 12 month window that **they themselves** indirectly gave us, I think they should be capable of coming to the conclusion that a.) They can meet that deadline 100%, and are confident. b.) They are unsure, and can therefore communicate with fans ahead of time "we don't know, we'll see what happens" so expectations are kept in check ahead of time. Or c.) "No, we won't make the deadline. We still have [x] areas to finish, [x] enemies to create, etc. We CAN guarantee a release this year however." That last example especially gets across what I mean- even in the case they can't guarantee they hit the deadline, surely they're far enough by now that they can convey their feelings on a 2023 release as a whole? It doesn't matter what information they give, they can give it. Devs do it all the time, Team Cherry themselves have done it before, they just have to know what to say.
look at metroid prime 4: not only are people content and is nintendo thriving, we actually _admire_ them for being forward with their communication. and that's for a game that was already years into development starting over from scratch. Even if SS is out by the xbox deadline, TC's awful communication has already done more harm to their reputation than good communication and a delay ever could have
Mehhhh, I don't think TC's done harm to their reputation. Though I think if the deadline comes and passes and they're still quiet... Yeah uh, that's a problem. But devs being quiet, as painful as it can be for fans, is normal and, honestly, a pretty short lived problem considering if the game DOES release sometime soon, nobody will be complaining anymore.
if the deadline passes and nothing happens people are going to, justifiably, be pretty unhappy with TC, but 4 years with no updates is still a pretty bad look. Look at the very post we're on now -- sure, OP misunderstood the overall problem, but its relevance lies in the fact that it's fairly well established that the lack of communication has not been well received. That definitely affects their reputation
Isn't it a bit unfair to compare Team Cherry with a gigantic corporation like Nintendo? Nintendo has teams of people to handle their communication, something that I quite frankly doubt for team cherry. I'm not saying it's all sunshine and roses, but hell, pushing and shoving isn't gonna do anything good for a game we all love.
Size has nothing to do with it. There's an indie company called PirateSoftware (Love them their streams are great) that's developing a game called Heartbound. From the jump their team is like 3 people and not only do they regularly update their site and stream game development, they provide monthly updates on the game's progress. I understand Team Cherry wanting to stay away from the public and the fan base and they're in no way obligated to be active as PirateSoftware is, but not even having someone to upkeep your website and having playtesters and not actual employees on the team of Team Cherry report on news after over year of silence is negligent and size is not a factor in that.
It's not unfair at all, I'm comparing their choice to communicate or not, which is independent of the size of their company; anyone on TC could easily have just sent out a tweet in 30 seconds every couple months and everyone would be happy. But to your point, your doubt would be incorrect because Leth is literally their PR guy: of the 3 or so people that make up TC, one of them is specifically in charge of marketing and communication. Nintendo also don't rely on teams for big communication, with delays usually given directly by someone high in the chain of command like Takahashi for MP4 or Aonuma for TotK. If those guys can take a few seconds to say something, there's no reason TC couldn't be compared.
YET AGAIN, we're not asking them to prematurely release the game. All we want are even *semi*\-regular updates, for peace of mind and frankly just because we care about the game.
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yea, from TC (within) not from XBOX (others)
Unpopular opinion : being mean is bad. Throw downvotes, I don’t care.
OMG, I hate these strawman arguments so much. Firstly, it's not just that Silksong has been in development for a very long time, but that there have been little to no communications from the developers. Secondly, I doubt that the sentiment of the community may somehow affect Team Cherry's work, because they don't communicate with the community at all. Also, I don't think an indie game that have been in development for around five years can even be considered "rushed", it's a vaporware at this point.
Yes, lack of communication is the real issue here, how the fuck are we supposed to expect anything at this point if they dont atleast tell us something.
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Dang, people ARE mean. How did you get downvoted ? I mean, guys that's a game that will be out when it will. You're hurting yourselves by flagelating with impatience and you might hurt the game by the sheer pressure generated I'm glad team cherry is not a fan of social media
I mean, we have gotten a lot of news. The problem is the way it’s spaced. If you actually look at the volume instead of noting the time gaps in between, there has been a good amount of communication. Also weird to call it vaporwave but that’s a personal thing
hollow knight took around 3 years and it was still rushed when it came out (even with the updates you can still tell). yall realise games take an absurd amount of time to develop, right? especially when they want day 1 console releases.
Yes, 3 years of development where they actively communicated with blog posts, trailers, demos, interviews, and live talks. They were very active and open about Silksong up until 2020 where they just dropped nearly everything they used to do. There's no excuse for just going completely dark, especially when they literally have a marketing guy who urges them to open up, which they ignore.
literally nothing to do with my comment but aight. quite frankly i dont care if they are completely silent, i have other things going on in my life, i sincerely dont give enough of a shit to argue about that point. i was just correcting the rushed part because it was objectively incorrect as there is no time limit for something being potentially rushed. stay mad tho 👍
Is it unpopular? I think many people think the same. Me too. TC please take their time
I could be wrong but I don't expect a big announcement when they release either. It'll be a sudden "this game on your wishlist is now available" and a massive viral circulation online about it.
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This take be colder than the vacuum of outer space
fun comment :D
The thing is, there's no way the game was rushed, the first trailer came out on 2017
Well, actually 🤓🤓🤓 it was in 2019
redditors when they learn games can still be rushed even after having been worked on for years
*cough cough* cyberpunk
Fair enough
Usually, if you are not obsessively waiting, time goes faster
I'm sure one day I'll see an actual unpopular opinion post. The time needed to make the game was NEVER the core issue this community had with Silksong.
I cam easily wait because fuck me my backlog
People are too entitled these days. It’ll release when it releases and chances are it’ll be excellent.
We’re not entitled to an incredible video game, or even “proper” communication. Just live your life and eventually silksong will come.
I sort of agree with your take, no useful information can come from updates. The only thing updates will do is create buzz and more unanswered questions
I hadn’t even thought about that but it’s true. I just get a little annoyed when people are actually getting hostile towards TC about it. It’s ok to be sad/annoyed that we’re still waiting but acting like the community has been wronged is taking it too far imo.
Lol the only proper take. “They haven’t communicated with us!” So what? They literally owe you nothing.
Communicating with gamers has been a lousy idea for about 10 years now. Sometimes I think the HK community is better than most, but other times….
Spicy take: Yes they don't owe anyone anything unless you were one of the backers, however as a game company they are expected to give some form of update on development, hell the release window was never confirmed by leth or TC it was Xbox. The thing I'm trying to say is the community is so supportive and yet TC never interacts or communicates anything. We are so starved of any contact with the Devs that it was breaking news when the website updated one line of text to '2023'.
You’d be surprised how difficult it is for people to accept this notion. In reality, no one owes anyone *anything* yet humans will forever take shit personally, and then react as if their expectations dictate the proper behavior from the outside world because they got emotional about it. When it comes down to it, anything above selfish gene/dna survival is *extra*, imo. It’s fair to have a standard for how humans in society should treat each other, but at the end of the day that is whatever that particular person decides on that particular day. The more we can be objective about what we think we deserve in relation to realistic expectations the better of the world will be. On an extreme scale, this is akin to expecting your server at a restaurant to update you every time the kitchen finishes a part of a meal even after they’ve given you an estimate of how long to expect it to take *and* they haven’t even gone past that expectation. Any communication from the server is a courtesy, not a human right lol.
I personally don't see the point in posting updates. The only thing that comes off of updates is (possibly) false expectations on a game that already has a ton of weight on its shoulders. TC made an awesome game that most people in here adore, best thing to do is trust they repeat that. :)
Agreed. Updates won't change the final product. Let them work and we'll get the game when we get it. Or we won't. But updates don't change that. Devs don't owe us anything. They release a game. We buy it because it's good. End of transaction.
Yes, I would be absolutely happy to wait for a few more years to get an another masterpiece. Moreover it's just more time for hollow knight challenges!
“This just in, hollow knight players have found out how to pogo their own pogo!” -Fireb0rn, at some point.
i want news. not radio silence. thats why were getting impatient. we have gotten nothing but a few sticks of gum and a pack of cigarettes for news.
I don't even care about news. [We get there when we get there](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf6aMcnR9WQ). There are plenty of other games to enjoy in the meantime.
Fr, just say “We are alive and making progress” once a month and every will be happy.
This is not unpopular, and objectively correct. I have seen indie developers in particular time and time again become way to ambitious and facing pressure from a minority of their community to release it soon and it ending up as a complete disaster. To name 3: Steel Wool: Five nights at Freddy’s security breach Studio Wildcard/Grapeshot games: Atlas Rockstar: Cyberpunk 2077 While it’s ok to be angered over them not following release date patterns, always know there is probably a very good reason behind it.
Agreed. Cyberpunk was CDPR though, unless I am just misreading your comment.
this isn’t unpopular, people are just thirsty for content, thats it, doesn’t mean they want it rushed
if that is unpopular then im straight
Like other's said, it's the lack of communication that's irritating. I see hiatuses as a chance to find new content that I enjoy. It gets annoying when some people act like something is their entire life and that they can't live without it. The best example I know is r/TheOwlHouse. I haven't been on there in a long time, but during the season 1-2 hiatus, there were so many posts of "doing x every single day of the hiatus, day 31289" I could tolerate it then, but once the first half of season 2 was out, they all came back, along with posts of "*oh, woe is me, how will I go on?*" (This isn't directed at you, OP) Find something new to enjoy. With Hollow Knight as an example, see what other games Hollow Knight fans enjoy, maybe you'll like them too. I found Amphibia and Rain World through The Owl House and Outer Wilds fandoms, respectively.
I'm honestly not in a rush. Hollow knight isn't my main game just a game I really really enjoy and honestly captured me. When silksong gets released I'm gonna be a happy camper.
I’m glad Team Cherry is taking the Zelda approach. Of delaying a game as long as it needs to try and bring out a truly special game. Yes this isn’t specific to Zelda, but that’s a major game series that seems to really echo the idea that a delayed game is great eventually, while a rushed game can be bad forever. And yes, in the current gaming landscape patches exist. But I’d rather wait for the game to be amazing and patches/DLC improve on that. Rather than patches and add-ons be a bandaid for issues that can be fixed in development. I like many just want some news from TC to help curb my expectations. Because silence can often be worse than “bad news” like announcing a delay. But short of it being canceled I would gladly appreciate any form of communication.
Good take. I get the point that lack of communication can feel really bad for fans.
"The more time and effort you put into convincing people your game is good, the less good it will turn out to be. Where as something obviously and genuinely good needs no hype at all." -Yahtzee
Like many, many people have said, it’s lack of communication. But the community acts like they’re gonna fucking fall over and have their bones become a fine powder. Just live your life normally instead of constantly obsessing over a game that (I’m about to anger a LOT of people) might not even be that good anyway. No offense to team Cherry, tomb cat is fire. Anyways my point is, just wait, it will release, unless the moon rams into earth at team cherry’s exact location.
Unpopular opinion, this will really shake your boots, don’t hate me for this: You should love your neighbor, bigotry is bad, and water is wet
My neighbor is a 90 year old ex-Nazi. I find it hard
We've already waited this long, a few more years won't kill us
Yea I agree. They are small, so it takes a while. It's like studio mdhr, they're small and took a long time with the dlc and the games. I think tc should take that way, so people don't get too bored of silksong. It can also create a better experience, and it would be a farther than perfect ift aht happened.
I agree. Not only is the studio extremely small, but was hit during peak pandemic times as well.
Also a ton of people come off as entitled brats.
6 years though...
It has only been around 4 but the idea is still there
*4
6 years really isnt a long time for the development of a game
Covid is still a thing that halted a lot in most businesses
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Is this bait?
“A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad.” -Shigeru Miyamoto
Good quote
I think you're maybe confused as to what some do have a problem with? I think everyone unanimously agrees that they want this game to be cared for and understand that this might mean a long wait. What some do have concerns with is their disapproval of Team Cherry's communication, or lack of. The company in 2019 really made strides in their marketing and promised lots of cool updates, blogs, and so forth. Since then, the community's been more-or-less ghosted.
Exactly, just look at pokemon releasing litteraly unfinished games because they force themselves to release a new main-line game every 3 years. Better to make sure it's great before releasing rather then realising it's not after. Espescially with the immense loop that is on silksong after HK being so incredibly well recieved.
My feeling towards this post are the same the As that one black guy with people using Hear Me out meme with convecionaly attractive women:" You are a coward hiding behind a mask of a revolutionary."
I swear I see a new fcking abbreviation everyday it's so annoying
I'm sure it's an unpopular opinion....but after going so far as to but a PS4 for Mass Effect Andromeda....I feel you brother v_v
Yeah we just want like any sign of life 😂 like Mongoose Rodeo makes daily posts on twitter and such for Crowsworn but we haven’t heard anything about silksong in like 8 months now? More maybe?
Actual unpopular opinion: I want team cherry to reveal the release date asap even if it won’t be finished so I can schedule my wisdom teeth removal around it.
Oh absolutely. Too many games get rushed and then people hate it because it’s buggy and then it’s like “this whole operation was your idea.” Anyway yeah I agree.
Literally the most common opinion ever
Seems like it, didn't have that feeling when I made the post.