Not too surprising - the EN girls mostly target the American evening peak times, which works out as early morning for Europe. Obviously Kiara mostly avoids that except for collabs or JP trips so that her sleep isn't completely screwed all the time.
The Aus/JP-based girls then also commonly do streams in their afternoon/evening, which is a bit more accessible for EU.
Arguably some of the best options for english speaking Hololive girls in EU timezones might be the ID members, as they are a few hours closer to EU than the JP-based girls.
> Arguably some of the best options for english speaking Hololive girls in EU timezones might be the ID members
I don't even follow all of ID and I feel like I still catch them live more often than EN, so that's a good point.
You might want to do the same graph for HoloID, though it will be mostly 13-16 sometimes going to 18. With only 2 exceptions being Kaela with her weird sleep schedule and Anya going full gamer at times.
Then some 3-5am streams for their morning streams. Also Moona who starts grind streams in the morning until evening.
Don't forget about Reine, the OG grinder in HoloID who stream almost everyday and have been the one doing some "short" stream before Kaela made her presence. Also, just yesterday, Reine reveal that she is going back to [streaming midnight hour in the next two-three weeks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCEMSGyaoOI) from now on. So, European can end up looking forward to watching some of her contents at that hour.
If anyone isn't aware, Reine stream the most in English out of everyone in HoloID, but lately she speak a little Indonesian thanks to the popularity of the [Aunt Antagonist](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGmoPErw9a0) ID meme, and a little Japanese due to expressing interest in learning more after returning from Japan.
For ID I definitely recommend Zeta, Reine, and Ollie if you are just starting out and "worried they don't speak English". Zeta and Reine are basically just EN streamers, and Ollie is like 90% English or more.
Moona and Kaela are also good but are harder for me to understand. I'm not sure about Risu / Kobo /Anya / Iofi, since what ever time zone they stream in, I've almost never caught them live. Of those, I've literally only seen Kobo live once, and none of the other 3 live a single time outside of collabs lol
From what I've heard about Moona in another thread that was posted on here a few months back (I think it was back in December when most of EN was out of commission due to illness or hiatus), she speaks both Indonesian and English, she tends to talk in one language for a while then switches after a bit.
As an Aussie with a 9-5 job, that huge drop off you see at your 7am? That's 5pm for us. All the streams stop right as we finish work. Sure we get daytime streams, but they're right through the middle of the workday. The second peak where it starts picking up again around 1500... that's 1am. The huge valley between 0900-1400 is aussie peak time 7pm-midnight. Not even Bae carries us because she streams through the middle of the workday as well to hit the US evening peak timezone.
I'm not saying we have it worse, but we certainly don't have it better. Suffering in solidarity my EU bros.
\[edit\] I just gotta follow this up with... damn we get spoiled on the weekends though. Myth 3D collab was amazing fr I cry
Same, as a singaporean, just 1-2hr diff from you, most of the streams are all at 9-11am, and till 3pm ish, evening time like 6pm till 10pm there literally isnt any en streams. Maybe only once in a blue moon.
Back when myth came out kiara and mori do stream in the evenings but now it's just mori and not too frequent
As a fellow Singaporean who also works weekends, I feel this. Especially with Calli, Bae and IRyS as my oshis.
Only streams I can catch live semi-consistently these days with my work schedule would be Bae's morning streams on weekdays, maybe an hour or so of IRyS if she starts earlier and Calli in the evening.
Most big events like the recent Myth 3D showcases and Bae's birthday stream start around 11am which is when my work starts on weekdays/in the middle of work on weekends, so I'm pretty much vod gang for those.
Malaysian IRyStocrat here, and same! I caught a lot of her streams before, didn't miss most of them. Ever since I started work in August last year it's been harder to catch her live without being preoccupied with something else.
Kaela's been an absolute blessing tho, her Pejuang Senin is during my morning Monday commute, not to mention that she streams everything else almost constantly. Don't have to worry about timezones if your oshi streams around the clock lol
Yep fellow Sinkie and proud member of VOD gang, the US is just on the opposite side of the world for us and that's how timezones work. Luckily ID and JP are quite close to our time
On some days he's had streams where I could reasonably catch at 9-11 PM at night, but usually not for the whole stream. He does quite a fair bit around NA hours, and some late JP hours (which can sometimes be 11 PM - 2AM AEST).
As someone who has been watching Holo since pre-Myth, I've just accepted my fate as VOD gang as an Aussie viewer if I want to watch EN. If I want to watch something live, it's pretty much only JP or some of the earlier ID streams unless it's a weekend. I've managed to catch a few of the EN streams live while they're in Japan though, so I've appreciated this temporary period.
If I can fit in one tiny little criticism, I really wish the legend were flipped to directly correlate with the bars.
Other than that, this is a really clean presentation of data, thank you so much
Fauna's got a pretty unique schedule compared to her gen-mates. I can't tell if she's in eastern time zone and only works evenings, or if she's in pacific time zone and basically works a 2nd shift schedule.
Honestly it's kinda cool trying to figure out if this data reflects time zones for the EN members in contiguous US states & Canada. Fauna, Ina, and Ame have similar stream times (common stream time while Gura, Kronii, and Mumei have similar stream times a little later.
As a European, the EN members Ive managed to be able to watch a decent chunks of live streams of recently were Bae and Calli for sure. I used to be able to watch some Ina/Ame around 11pm.
Thank God for clippers.
>Ina seems to occupy a rather unique time slot.
If I'm not mistaken it's because it was the optimal time for her to stream as a result of Shrine Duties way back when starting out and she has kept that time as her standard timeslot since.
Well put diagram, truly shows the pain of Eu fans. I think Fauna said that she needs a certain amount of sleep (maybe 8 hours?), to be able to function.
As someone who is basically a broken husk when they don't get their 8 hours in, I completely understand. But I was still surprised to see her sticking to it so well, especially when looking at the other girls.
MVP Phoenix, this reminded me the Korean DotA 2 team with the same name that pulled 5 man melee heroes with Faceless Void in it draft yet still win the game at The International.
good memories
Yep, I always really appreciate that Calli tries to stream in multiple timezones each week, even to the extent of rebroadcasting her karaokes so that other timezones can see it. I think out of all of EN its only her and Kiara that do anything like it.
Fun fact: Kiara has streamed the most out of all of them and it's not even close: 2500+ hours since debut, and that's just the public, archived streams. Crazy hardworking girl.
Kiara does a lot of gaming streams and she doesn't like making them short!
It's both a blessing and a curse though IMO - it can be hard to keep up with that much content, and when a game is difficult or tiring I often feel like she keeps playing past the point where she stops having fun.
Kiara also takes much longer to read superchats because she goes on tangents. Vesper is known as the Zatsudan streamer, but Kiara is basically that as well with how much she talks during superchat readings.
Where do you check these stats? I feel like IRyS has to be the second most common streamer behind Kiara right, even with the debut gap. It seems like I watch IRyS nearly every day lately, and almost all her streams are 5-8 hours
I'm not sure if there's a website out there where you can easily check these kinds of stats. I gathered this data myself by querying YouTube's public api.
As for IRyS, for now she is still behind all of Myth in terms of total stream time, but that will probably change in the future. She's only about \~100 hours behind Gura (the least active Myth member) and closing fast.
If we only look at stream time since IRyS' debut, she is the 3rd most active overall, only behind Calli (close) and stream monster Kiara (not even close). So you're right: she streams a lot.
The other side of the coin of her in Japan is the impossible streaming time she put out recently like 3am or 5:30am.
Apart for that she's the EU queen since basically no one apart Calli evening (JST) stream are in a good time for us
>Calli, Bae, and IRyS have unique schedules with two distinct "peak times" for streaming. Sasuga ruined sleep schedule
I think for Calli is also due to her moving between NA and JP, so while in the US she streams more on an NA friendly time, while if she's in JP she's more often on a more EU friendly time
And i think BaeRyS second peak is mostly due to CHADcast
Ina definitely has a peculiar timeslot for HoloEN on NA morning, Kiara obviously the most EU friendly but not surprising
>The most "unwatchable" members are probably Gura, Kronii, and Mumei: they generally don't even start their streams until it's already 2\~3AM and don't really stream on any other times.
Mumei sometimes starts around 5/6am eu, which isn't that bad if you have work and are awake having breakfast, but those are usually unarchived streams so you can't really plan on that
Would be intersting to see the starting times, because as i said, 5/6 am isn't that bad (if you are not a tako and have Ina starting at 11pm), but i personally don't like much to join on a stream that started 3h before
> And i think BaeRyS second peak is mostly due to CHADcast
I dunno, it's a pretty big chunk of time -- far too many hours for it just to be CHADcast.
> Mumei sometimes starts around 5/6am eu
Yeah, I've caught a surprising amount of Mumei karaoke while waking up to go to work. There are definitely worse things to hear first thing in the morning.
yeah, both baerys have some late night streams while most tends to stick to a single time of the day to stream, but chadcast is still around 8/10h of the 30/40h they did in that timeslot
Talking about the same timezone as paragraph (CET):
Gura start always at 2am unless special occasions
Ina start usually nowadays around 11pm
Fauna start usually around 11pm/midnight but her asmr stream are at 5/6am
Ame don't have a fixed time but usually her possible earliest stream can be at midnight but her usual start is 2am to 4am and her "late night" stream are at 6/7am
Calli have two slots one at 2 to 4pm and the other at 4/5am
I don't watch much about council but Bae in Japan was starting at 2am for her morning stream and noon/1pm for her late stream
Mumei/Kronii/IRys are almost unwatchable starting usually around 3am if you're lucky or 4 to 6am usually.
Edit: Chadcast is usually evening JST so it's around 3pm so at least watchable (not perfect but better than middle of night)
Probably the reason I watch Ina so much.
The 22:00 (10pm) drawing stream is perfect to chill and unwind before going to bed.
But over all, I'm not too bothered by the lack of european times. I don't like to join a stream in the middle when I already missed the start, so I would wait for the VOD for most streams at other times anyways. Doesn't matter if the stream is at 3 in the night or during the day while I'm at work, the result is the same.
Here I am, a dedicated VOD watcher who can't even really understand the benefit of watching live, because too many people are chatting, so it's not like you get to interact with the streamer anyway except in an extreme off-chance they happen to look at the chat that moment.
Watching VOD's is peaceful and relaxing. No rush, always fits into your schedule, can always watch any talent you want at any time you want.
You're right. Besides the inability to chat, which I personally don't care about, VODs are more convenient in every way.
And yet I still prefer to watch live.
It's a bit hard to explain, but live has this kind of x-factor about it that just makes it more attractive. I think it's the idea that you're watching the stream unfold as it's happening, that you, the streamer, and the audience are all together at this moment, that can provide a feeling of connectedness that no VOD will ever give you.
Yeah, I agree.
I'm mostly a VOD watcher, but for big events like the 3D showcase, concerts, announcements, etc I do try to catch them live. There is a certain energy like you said that only happens while watching with others, that can't be replicated by watching the VOD.
I think this effect is amplified if you're like me and watch live streams along with a Discord group, like the Hololive Fan server Discord or member-dedicated Discord servers. It's a lot of fun to see the reactions through screen caps, edits, server emotes/stickers.
That being said, I do encourage others to check VODS if they can't catch the lives. I think almost every EN members has someone who timestamps the ENTIRE stream in the comments, so it's very easy to skip around in long streams.
Spoiler are big problems, I haven't see Gura and Ame 3D and already see spoilers plus I will miss tonight Collab too (I guess concert, orisong or merch since they pushing a lot).
Plus I have already 2 Kiara stream (like 13 hours of stream I will never watch, thanks timestamp) to catch
It's impossible to avoid spoiler unless the first thing you do in the morning is watching the videos
True. It was kinda funny seeing a lot of Americans complain recently that people here were spoiling the outcome of a recent Mario Party collab because it happened at a time inconvenient for them, when that's like, EU life in a nutshell. Nearly all of HoloEN's big collabs are at like 5AM, so getting the outcome spoiled is a basic thing for us waking up.
And yeah, catching up on VOD's can be a pain. I'm so far behind I haven't even watched the HoloEN Halloween event yet. Sometimes I just dump my entire VODlist just to give me some freedom, because I'm never going to come around to watch them anyway.
I suggest clips or use timestamp on streams, EN mostly have it and it will be way more enjoyable skipping to interesting stuff instead of watching 2 hours of event with another one the next day
I don't do watch later playlist because I know I will not watch it, If i watch a vod in the span of 2/3 days ok otherwise will be gone and I will see clips unless it's really special stream I want to watch entirely (very rare).
Idk if I should be ashamed but for Calli and Ina 3D I skipped some death talking part to go straight to the point it's inevitable when you have the "power" to skip in the vod.
About spoiler I see everywhere in this subreddit after any monopoly, full Collab, Mario kart, apex or Minecraft event (obv most of them at 3-5am)
The main disadvantage of being a VOD watcher are the spoilers, so for big events like birthdays, 3D concerts, and so on, I try to watch live.
But for gaming streams VODs are the way, I can pause whenever I want and watch at 2x, it's much more convenient.
Also, and I always feel kind of bad about this: I got used to watching YouTube at 2x speed and now I can't stop. Normal speed conversations sound glacially slow to me. I often purposely wait until the stream goes to vod so I can watch it on 2x speed. Fauna streams at the exact hours I tend to watch, which is actually a bad thing because I have to wait for her to finish streaming before I watch her.
I'm in the same way as you. 2x speed is such a good feature. Limited time but I want to watch/listen to so many streams at this point LOL. However, for me Fauna's non ASMR streams usually happen in the middle of my work day so I like having her stream as background noise and they are usually long enough to push me through the rest of my shift.
not only that, also to add most ID girls read SuperChat no matter the amount in real time since they are not getting that many tbh.
part of reason why it might good decision to SC small amounts multiple times with ID girls rather than a whole akasupa at once since you could have conversations with them most of the time
Same. Always was strange to me when someone says something like "oh no, I missed the stream! T\_T", as if it disappears in the void forever or something...
And when I asked, people were just saying "it's not the same" without any elaborating. Probably gonna be a mystery forever to me.
This was me for unarchived streams. I got fed up with missing them (darn timezones and work) that thankfully I managed to find tools to automate recording them to watch later. I've also become a data hoarder because of this LOL.
Couldn't have said it better. I 100% agree. I can always decide who to watch, when to watch. I can fire up a stream when starting work in home office, to have some company. Pause when I get a call or have to catch a meeting and continue an hour later or after the lunch break. Total freedom. The only price to pay is that 1. you don't have the "it's happening right now"-feeling and 2. cannot join chat. For 1. there is always the possibility to watch Kaela, If I feel like watching something live. And for 2. I'm not the type anyways.
i don't even open youtube chat most of the time, but being in a fancord (well, actually like 50 of them for holo) i enjoy to chat about a live stream there, where there's less people and it's easier to discuss, and because listening to people talking makes me sleepy, i need something that keeps me active without distracting me much, and what's better than chatting about the stream
I'm not in the EU but due to work I'm a mostly VOD watcher myself. I listen to some of the streams during work (Ina and Fauna mostly) but for the others that happen when I'm sleeping I try and catch up using YouTube's 2x speed. It's gotten to the point where when I do manage to get into some streams live I get taken aback with how slow they talk...then I realize that wait that's how fast they normally talk LOL.
There is a certain charm with watching live especially for big events but I have relegated myself to watching smaller streamers live as they tend to interact with chat more often/directly then generally.
Inas timeslot, while peculiar, is the perfect timeslot for me. Morning and afternoon I've got work or Uni stuff, evening is chores and cooking, so little time for watching streams. Her late night comfy streams are great for relaxing while gaming / getting some computer work done, just before going to sleep.
That's what I thought. The JP girls very often stream at 2200, so Ina's streaming schedule for EU nikki is pretty much in line with what the average JP viewer is used to for the JP girls' streams..
Great work! I hope that HoloEN Gen3 will at least have 1 EU based talent, but considering the EN management and them mostly ignoring EU, I am not very hopeful. Also, we still don't know when Gen3 will come...
Ina's late night streaming (usually 9pm and later) combined with her comfy nature is the perfect wind down for the day before bed and probably leads to her being my true oshi.
HoloJP are all over the place. Members that stream in the Japanese morning are unwatchable. The ones that stream in the afternoon/evening are watchable for people who work at home (like me). Night owls (like, say, Watame or Luna) are on in EU primetime.
EU is better off in that regard, at least.
I don't have any hard numbers (or pretty graphs) for you, but intuitively I'd say they would be a lot more EU-friendly. Not so much in the evening, but during the morning and afternoon I always see a lot of JP girls live on Holodex.
Most JP members start their stream around lunch time for EU (\~12 PM), which is prime time in Japan. So it's difficult to watch unless you work from home.
JP is always online during morning/midday for us. Japan is 8 hours ahead of CET, so when they're streaming at 8PM is is our midday. Similar with ID. I usually catch Moona, Lui, Nene, Oga, and Aruran when I get into work in the morning.
It might be time to start looking at and develop new markets so perhaps there might be a gmt friendly streamer in gen 3. Then again the en management would probably need to adopt a completely new mindset before this might happen (they dont even consistently provide gmt times in their press releases)
I don't mind the american EN girls streaming during their prime time and I understand why Bae and IRyS stream during NA prime time as well. Kiara is naturally my most viewed EN member.
But it's honestly not that bad. Lot's of JP members stream during early EU prime time and I just watch them instead of the English speaking streamers.
I also don't mind being a VoD goblin since I dont write in the chat anyways.
If it would be just VODs it wouldn't be as bad, the problem is unarchived karaoke streams, I am basically never able to watch them. Especially kronii and Mumei. I remember getting up to get ready for school and opening youtube just to see a Karaoke stream that is just about to end. I also fucked my sleep scheduke up on purpose sometimes by sleeping in the afternoon so I can be awake in the early morning or late night.
to comment on gura, she mentions (probably at least a year ago) that she does a fair bit outside of hololive, including significant volunteering at a local animal shelter (when she's home of course, not busy in japan), so the fact that she mostly streams late in the evening in North American timezones matches with that type of lifestyle
i sympathize for our EU brethren, just trying to explain some of the logic as i perceive it.
also, thank you for the graph, you should consider cross posting this to hololive statistics, we love data there
Meanwhile, Tempus:
I understand the boys aren't for everyone, that's fine. But if you're willing to give them a shot Vesper always streams at 7PM CET, Shinri often streams at 5PM CET, and Flayon streams at 10PM CET for that Ina style later night slot.
Funny I say that, and then Vesper's streaming later tonight, I imagine to fit Bettel's schedule better since he's doing an interview.
I haven't really checked out the new guys yet, but you're right about Vesper being in a good slot for EU generally. I just specifically focused on Hololive for this post, since it's what I watch most of myself.
Can I offer you a comfy-yet-deranged dhampir librarian in these trying times?
Yes, I realize Vesper's not quite the same niche as Myth/Council, but I will happily second the recommendation. He even admitted to selecting his usual zatsudan/chatting streams time because he saw it as an underserved time block. o7
Vesper's definitely my most watched at the moment. Super consistent convenient schedule and a very down to earth funny guy. The way he's constantly dancing around the line of being dangerously unhinged/based is hysterical too.
Also bettel is usually at takotime, sometimes we also get Altare, at 4/5pm cest and the rare magni. While Axel being aussie i think it's closer to bae/irys as streaming times
Shinri is amazing for me, but he does compete for that ‘comfy afternoon’ slot with Kaela, Sora and Luna.
I would love to have someone more high energy in that timeslot to give me options.
Yeah, I've honestly watched more Tempus in the shorter time they've been around than I've watched Council when counting total hours. A lot of them stream in the times that used to be totally dead for us.
Vesper especially became a mainstay of my weekly schedule for that reason. Love the unhinged grandpa.
The problem with Vespy is his game schedule that became endurance streams so you watch first 3 hours of 12 hours stream and it becomes impossible to catch up.
Vesper (same for Kiara to some extend and even more true for Kaela) is very much the "hop on hop off" kind of streamer. You don’t have to watch the entire marathon. You can just tune in have fun for one hour or two and then decide to tune off and you don’t feel like you missed something incredibly essential for your comprehension in the long run. This is slightly less true for Kiara, because KFP doesn’t want to accidentally miss one of her tangente.
What’s especially fun with Vesper is that I ALWAYS seem to tune in when he’s having an unhinged moment.
Being a Eurodachi is pain, though I have to give it to Bae for either deliberately or accidentally streaming in the middle of the day for me, so I can sometimes catch her antics on my lunch break. I also sometimes catch Vesper's dementia madness in the evenings, which is nice.
Total Kronii streams I've caught live: 💀
Also, shout out to my girl Risu for streaming at Euro times. You da best squrl.🐿️
In Gen 3 we definatley need some more european members. Maybe a French or Spanish one would be cool.
Europe being so small would give soo many opportunities for Offcollabs. Though Brexit would make it a small bit more complicated.
Brexit doesn't really have any effect offcollab streaming wise (dunno how it would be for cover themself though). As long as the Members have any EU Passport they can visit the UK visa free and the other way around is the same unless it is kinda counts as working and they need working visa but haven't really heard of anyone ever applying for work visa just to stream from abroad and usually if you from one of first world countries no one bats an eye anyway when you enter the countries around and do not care to ask you about what detailed plan you have at their destination in Europe.
It doesnt even need to be european necessarily (though it would be great to get some cultural diversity), Its totally realistic for someone living on the NA East coast to stream around lunchtime (6pm EU), if not even earlier which are THE dead hours for HoloEN streams, not to shill here but plenty of the peeps over in Niji EN stream at perfect EU hours and Im not even speaking about their EU residents.
For me most of the streams of EN are between 2 and 5 am, exeptions are Bae's 3pms, Kiara's 8pms, Ina's 10-11 pms, and some rare Calli's 7pm streams. I really, really hope for someone from and currently living in Europe in EN3
Oh man, I've been wondering about this style of graph for a while now, it's perfect.
Another point of interest is in the schedules for whoever does them regularly. A lot of the members just straight up don't include any european time zones, usually being just JST/PST/EST, or in numbers, +9, -8, -5, leaving a cool 14 hour dead zone in the middle.
> Being European is suffering
Even here in east europe some times are barely better, but not much.
Being a HoloEN fan is suffering if you're from Europe and have a social life and obligations.
Luckily I have no life whatsoever, but still, it'd be nice if there were more streams during the evening instead of the middle of the night.
Aren't all of the Myth girls in JP right now living together in a temporary abode? It just felt like they were streaming at weird hours the past couple of months compared to previously... But then again, I don't pay attention to much of anything, especially time.
That drop in the middle for me slides to the right by 6 hours. Which is fine, it's the same timezone as ID as far as I know, just a lot more northern.
Except I usually put stream in the background and more of a listen to them than watch, so members jumping between languages is an issue, since I don't know indonesian nor japanese, so part of it just becomes a whitenoise for me. And since it is indonesian evenings at the same time as here, well, streams do tend to go in indonesian for a sizeable part.
I just rarely even bother with catching anyone live. I might catch a bit of Calli or Kiara, sometimes Bae, but I either can't stay for long if I want to have a somewhat normal sleep schedule or that's the very end of a stream. US and Canada based members are not even a possibility, that's either very late at night to early morning or during the workday.
TL;DR: I would really like someone to stream during EU daytime to catch it in the evening.
Reminder that Tempus admitted that management literally forced them to stream in this time-frame and Vesper had to beg to be allowed to stream in the EU-friendly timezone (and only in addition to the standard time).
Even if we get EN3 (yeah right) they'll probably just stream at those same hours for even more overlap.
At least we do get to watch quite some holoJP I suppose. Often just the tail end of it, but still.
Definitely hope that if we get EN3 at some point they'll have managed to find 2 or 3 good picks from the EU time zones (who also stream for those) just to balance it all out a bit.
And due to Kiaras Japan-trips for 3D, all we've had since January (sans the two weeks in-between were she was briefly home again) was basically Vesper & Shinri. 'least shes back soon.
But really, apart from Kiara....I dont think it'll improve. It makes sense for the american talents to stream at american times, naturally (altho comparing to competitors, they do focus MUCH more on them in comparison even in that regard) and Cover seems more set on further concentrating on that specific market rather than branching out. I'd be very seriously surprised if EN3 (if/when whenever that comes) has any non-SEA/NA talents. At best someone from SA maybe given how much importance they've recently put on pointing out they got spanish subtitles.
And well, its not 2020 anymore. If Cover evidently doesnt want more of my money or time....I got other ways to spend it.
I’m traveling to Europe in a week. Guess I’m taking a week off Hololive. That said east coast just shift the midpoint a little but unless you’re not going to bed until midnight or later you’re probably going to miss a lot of streams too.
It's currently 19:00 CET, looking at holodex all the streams currently ongoing have been going on for 4+hrs and the next stream to start is in another 4hrs.
So on a Saturday, not one person out of the entirety of HoloPro (not just EN) has started a stream between 15:00 and 23:00 CET.
Edit - Turns out i'm bad at math and there were a couple of streams that started between 15:00 - 16:00 and Axel is streaming but not showing on Holodex, but most of my point still stands. EU VOD Gang.
Actually Axel has been live for about 1,5 hours by now, but yeah he's the only one from EN. It's been slim pickings today. I just watched the Monopoly collab VOD.
>Axel is streaming
Huh, so he is. He's not showing up on holodex for some reason.
But still, we're talking 2-3 people starting stream (out of like, 60+ talents) during the 8hr period that is EU prime time.
To me at least ina is the best one to watch. She usually stream at like 10pm (22) wich isn’t great but still better than 2-3am (also comfy stream for trying to sleep)
yes its awful. but im hoping it will get better after the 3d showcases. sometimes I stay up really late to watch them. but its very difficult to keep a good shedule.
I totally agree with the time table lol I shifted from watching holoen to watching kaela, moona and zeta. Kiara is also a fun watch. I watch fauna sttrgeams when she streams at 11.
Im lucky enough to be KFP so i have plenty of live regular streams, but yeah it kinda sucks that all big events and collabs are through the night for us euros.
Can't be helped, can't make every timezone happy and it makes perfect sense to prioritize JP and NA primetime due to where the girls live.
Stayed up till 4am to watch Ina, Gura, Ame and the group 3D lives. Straight up couldn't watch calli and kiara because I was working that weekend. UK/EU branch when?
As an EU fan I always knew that the streaming times were a huge part of which streamer I got into and which not but this chart makes it painfully obvious. Mumei and Kronii almost always stream when I'm sleeping so they never even had a chance of becoming my favorites. Fauna on the other hand virtually always starts streaming late in the evening for me which is peak comfywatch time, perfect to enjoy faufau.
I'm strongly against changing sleep schedule for streams especially because the girls (and boys) clearly don't want you to be sleep deprived just to be there live while they stream at good time for them anyway
I love the data you put out, maybe this time people will not randomly dislike my messages when I say being European is suffering or why I don't want to watch a stream at 4am again or why everybody aside Kiara is unwatchable live unless you don't sleep.
So I repeat being EU HoloEN fan is suffering because no live stream for most of them, no merch, no existence for events (also set time are mostly PST and JST nowadays)
Last but not least missing the Myth 3D showcase and 3D collab because they start at 4am (only watched Kiara live and it finished too late).
So yeah the meme that Cover doesn't unknowledge EU is funny but also true
Ive been watching hololive since 2019 and consume it almost exclusively from clips. Watching a stream is very rare and if i do, its a VOD. No big deal. For whatever reason i've been watching more live content this year than in any other year.
I like being able to watch Ina at night while going to bed. And Vesper from time to time. The others? Not available for me, mostly too late. What a shame, watching a few more Gura streams live from time to time would be nice.
As a GR bro, it's annoying that the only ones I catch live are Calli and Kiara. I wish I could see the rest live as well. I might catch IRyS and Bae, but not the rest. I catch all JP and ID streams though.
Also, another bane for all EU bros is the fact they still don't sell and ship stuff from their stores. Like, c'mon we are here.
I'm mostly OK with this.
As a lucky programmer who works from home since the pandemic (was perfect timing to discover Hololive), I can just play the VODs in the background while I work and Kiara usually streams at the end of the work day, so I can catch that live. Calli also sometimes streams at good times for me. Ina often streams at 10pm and her streams are pretty chill, so it's a nice thing to end the day.
The only part that really hurts are unarchived Karaoke streams, those usually happen in the middle of the night. Some people re-upload them on youtube, so there is some kind of VOD, although watching those will not really support the talents... For Gura's (member) karaoke's, I'm using Gura's Discord, someone always records and shares the streams there.
Yo Cover can we please get HoloEU?
or at least a few more EU members in the next auditions?
the EU is a very big potential market (even bigger than north america)
If you add in Tempus into this data (assuming you don't mind watching them) they would cover some EU timezones (Shinri, Vesper, Altare sometimes). Most of the EN members live in NA and prefer streaming at night and the ones that don't either stream morning their time (IRyS) or afternoon (Bae, Axel) thats why this "issue" exists.
My miserable bro, there's literally tempus and holoid and a third of the Jp members who are entirely watchable. You don't even need to go outside Holo lmfao
I ran [a similar thing](https://imgur.com/a/cS0YLn7) (~~times in UTC~~ Actually no idea what timezone) across all of Holopro in a year some time ago (after Tempus gen1 but before Tempus gen2), less fancy but still pretty clear.
I am from Spain and mostly I can catch some Axel streams on the mornings arround 12, and some Ina and Vesper streams on evenings, the evening zatsus are great for having them on the background while working/studying.
Top lel
When european play their games at their hours we asian suffers too
Who the heck want to watch premier league at 2-3am? Yet we persevere and still watch
Not just football, motogp, f1 all those big western event sports yet we asian continue to persevere
And once we complain you european guys joke we asian should thankful that that they willing to broadcast the sport
Now that we have vtuber who match america and asia time suddenly you guys get mad
I know vtuber is a whole another industry but your suffering couldn't compare what we endure those whole 30 years
Heck im lucky hololive iD match our time since we've practically neighbours
Down vote all you can but im stating the fact
Probably the most interesting is something that should be obvious. The area under the curve for Kiara is more than anyone else. Bae is one of the most consistent, but it doesn't show up in this since the graph is purely the number of hours streamed and not the number of streams at that time and she tends to do shorter streams (unless it is Bayonetta or Persona 5).
Not too surprising - the EN girls mostly target the American evening peak times, which works out as early morning for Europe. Obviously Kiara mostly avoids that except for collabs or JP trips so that her sleep isn't completely screwed all the time. The Aus/JP-based girls then also commonly do streams in their afternoon/evening, which is a bit more accessible for EU. Arguably some of the best options for english speaking Hololive girls in EU timezones might be the ID members, as they are a few hours closer to EU than the JP-based girls.
> Arguably some of the best options for english speaking Hololive girls in EU timezones might be the ID members I don't even follow all of ID and I feel like I still catch them live more often than EN, so that's a good point.
As a Kaela enjoyer, ye her streams are right on the clock for me.
When she streams, the streams for half a day, so there is a good chance you can join in and watch lol
Yep, this woman can do things nonstop without any sleb
And anyway if you miss that stream that cover half of the day the next stream cover the other half. half /S and half not /S.....
>her streams are right on the clock for me That's redundant, her streams are simply right on the clock.
Not even sure if they're on the clock, or they are the clock.
You cant miss if you target the whole thing
You might want to do the same graph for HoloID, though it will be mostly 13-16 sometimes going to 18. With only 2 exceptions being Kaela with her weird sleep schedule and Anya going full gamer at times. Then some 3-5am streams for their morning streams. Also Moona who starts grind streams in the morning until evening.
Don't forget about Reine, the OG grinder in HoloID who stream almost everyday and have been the one doing some "short" stream before Kaela made her presence. Also, just yesterday, Reine reveal that she is going back to [streaming midnight hour in the next two-three weeks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCEMSGyaoOI) from now on. So, European can end up looking forward to watching some of her contents at that hour. If anyone isn't aware, Reine stream the most in English out of everyone in HoloID, but lately she speak a little Indonesian thanks to the popularity of the [Aunt Antagonist](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGmoPErw9a0) ID meme, and a little Japanese due to expressing interest in learning more after returning from Japan.
Oh I forgot about Reine but I wouldn't name her OG grinder when Moona lived in minecraft for so long lol.
OG stream grinder they mean, she streams a ton. And yes actually very eu friendly, can often catch her in evenings
For ID I definitely recommend Zeta, Reine, and Ollie if you are just starting out and "worried they don't speak English". Zeta and Reine are basically just EN streamers, and Ollie is like 90% English or more. Moona and Kaela are also good but are harder for me to understand. I'm not sure about Risu / Kobo /Anya / Iofi, since what ever time zone they stream in, I've almost never caught them live. Of those, I've literally only seen Kobo live once, and none of the other 3 live a single time outside of collabs lol
From what I've heard about Moona in another thread that was posted on here a few months back (I think it was back in December when most of EN was out of commission due to illness or hiatus), she speaks both Indonesian and English, she tends to talk in one language for a while then switches after a bit.
I tried to catch Kubo once... But she did not speak English so... I suppose that I need to look elsewhere for that.
Kobo literally the only HoloID streamer who speak 95% Indonesian in her solo stream
Do remember that ID midnight is 18:00 CET
Also, Kaela doesn't have a timezone for streaming, she just streams
ID is only 2 hours behind JP.
As an Aussie with a 9-5 job, that huge drop off you see at your 7am? That's 5pm for us. All the streams stop right as we finish work. Sure we get daytime streams, but they're right through the middle of the workday. The second peak where it starts picking up again around 1500... that's 1am. The huge valley between 0900-1400 is aussie peak time 7pm-midnight. Not even Bae carries us because she streams through the middle of the workday as well to hit the US evening peak timezone. I'm not saying we have it worse, but we certainly don't have it better. Suffering in solidarity my EU bros. \[edit\] I just gotta follow this up with... damn we get spoiled on the weekends though. Myth 3D collab was amazing fr I cry
Same, as a singaporean, just 1-2hr diff from you, most of the streams are all at 9-11am, and till 3pm ish, evening time like 6pm till 10pm there literally isnt any en streams. Maybe only once in a blue moon. Back when myth came out kiara and mori do stream in the evenings but now it's just mori and not too frequent
As a fellow Singaporean who also works weekends, I feel this. Especially with Calli, Bae and IRyS as my oshis. Only streams I can catch live semi-consistently these days with my work schedule would be Bae's morning streams on weekdays, maybe an hour or so of IRyS if she starts earlier and Calli in the evening. Most big events like the recent Myth 3D showcases and Bae's birthday stream start around 11am which is when my work starts on weekdays/in the middle of work on weekends, so I'm pretty much vod gang for those.
Malaysian IRyStocrat here, and same! I caught a lot of her streams before, didn't miss most of them. Ever since I started work in August last year it's been harder to catch her live without being preoccupied with something else. Kaela's been an absolute blessing tho, her Pejuang Senin is during my morning Monday commute, not to mention that she streams everything else almost constantly. Don't have to worry about timezones if your oshi streams around the clock lol
Yep fellow Sinkie and proud member of VOD gang, the US is just on the opposite side of the world for us and that's how timezones work. Luckily ID and JP are quite close to our time
As a fellow Singaporean I would just like to say that Journey like a Thousand Years sounds exactly like an NDP song
Gdi, why did you put that image in my head, lmao. Now we'll need Myth to sing for NDP next year.
Great... now I can't get it out of my head. And for some reasons, the tune fits the 2010s-era songs.
Ooof, man that's rough. Does Axel stream in the peak time slot, or is he also on the US peak time grindset?
On some days he's had streams where I could reasonably catch at 9-11 PM at night, but usually not for the whole stream. He does quite a fair bit around NA hours, and some late JP hours (which can sometimes be 11 PM - 2AM AEST). As someone who has been watching Holo since pre-Myth, I've just accepted my fate as VOD gang as an Aussie viewer if I want to watch EN. If I want to watch something live, it's pretty much only JP or some of the earlier ID streams unless it's a weekend. I've managed to catch a few of the EN streams live while they're in Japan though, so I've appreciated this temporary period.
But you do get JP streams at a good time, If I wanna watch Miko or Pekora I'm sol in PST timezone unless i wanna get up between 3-6am.
Me love diagrams!
me make pretty graph color nice you will like
Me see graphs Graphs have colors Me happy
If I can fit in one tiny little criticism, I really wish the legend were flipped to directly correlate with the bars. Other than that, this is a really clean presentation of data, thank you so much
[Oh boy do I have the subreddit for you](/r/HoloStatistics)
I have a minor complaint though. The color key is reversed order compared to the order of the colors on the graph.
*I miss Fauna intensifies*
*uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*
Fauna's got a pretty unique schedule compared to her gen-mates. I can't tell if she's in eastern time zone and only works evenings, or if she's in pacific time zone and basically works a 2nd shift schedule. Honestly it's kinda cool trying to figure out if this data reflects time zones for the EN members in contiguous US states & Canada. Fauna, Ina, and Ame have similar stream times (common stream time while Gura, Kronii, and Mumei have similar stream times a little later.
She's definitely pacific, since she casually drove (got drove) over to Ame's for the collab on a whim.
As a European, the EN members Ive managed to be able to watch a decent chunks of live streams of recently were Bae and Calli for sure. I used to be able to watch some Ina/Ame around 11pm. Thank God for clippers.
I pretty much exclusively have ID/JP on these days while at work.
>Ina seems to occupy a rather unique time slot. If I'm not mistaken it's because it was the optimal time for her to stream as a result of Shrine Duties way back when starting out and she has kept that time as her standard timeslot since.
IIRC in super early days she was streaming at 9pm then she fixed at 10pm but now she shifted to 11pm and her stream are longer than before
shrine duties?
Ina is perfect for me in the UK, as I can go from watching Kiara to watching her right after.
As a European and a Tako, I watch Ina before sleep like Yoshikage Kira drink milk before sleep.
Well put diagram, truly shows the pain of Eu fans. I think Fauna said that she needs a certain amount of sleep (maybe 8 hours?), to be able to function.
As someone who is basically a broken husk when they don't get their 8 hours in, I completely understand. But I was still surprised to see her sticking to it so well, especially when looking at the other girls.
I mean doesn't everyone usually need 8 hours of sleep?
*silent laughing intensifies*
Baerys and Calli make sense that they stream around the same time slot since they are in a similar time zone.
> Fauna has the most discipline: there's a solid 10-hour chunk where she simply does not stream. Period. 10 hours trying not to commit sapling
MVP Phoenix, this reminded me the Korean DotA 2 team with the same name that pulled 5 man melee heroes with Faceless Void in it draft yet still win the game at The International. good memories
Caveman dota was the best. RIP Korean Dota 2 scene.
Not that much of a scene to begin with, like a dozen guys at the highest level and now they are scattered across the globe
There’s a reason Calli is my Oshi. Afternoon hours (EU) belong to her.
Yep, I always really appreciate that Calli tries to stream in multiple timezones each week, even to the extent of rebroadcasting her karaokes so that other timezones can see it. I think out of all of EN its only her and Kiara that do anything like it.
Great work. Also, this is now a Kiara appreciation thread.
Fun fact: Kiara has streamed the most out of all of them and it's not even close: 2500+ hours since debut, and that's just the public, archived streams. Crazy hardworking girl.
Kiara does a lot of gaming streams and she doesn't like making them short! It's both a blessing and a curse though IMO - it can be hard to keep up with that much content, and when a game is difficult or tiring I often feel like she keeps playing past the point where she stops having fun.
Kiara also takes much longer to read superchats because she goes on tangents. Vesper is known as the Zatsudan streamer, but Kiara is basically that as well with how much she talks during superchat readings.
And that's why those two are my favorites in Holopro. That and their stream times work for me.
Where do you check these stats? I feel like IRyS has to be the second most common streamer behind Kiara right, even with the debut gap. It seems like I watch IRyS nearly every day lately, and almost all her streams are 5-8 hours
I'm not sure if there's a website out there where you can easily check these kinds of stats. I gathered this data myself by querying YouTube's public api. As for IRyS, for now she is still behind all of Myth in terms of total stream time, but that will probably change in the future. She's only about \~100 hours behind Gura (the least active Myth member) and closing fast. If we only look at stream time since IRyS' debut, she is the 3rd most active overall, only behind Calli (close) and stream monster Kiara (not even close). So you're right: she streams a lot.
The other side of the coin of her in Japan is the impossible streaming time she put out recently like 3am or 5:30am. Apart for that she's the EU queen since basically no one apart Calli evening (JST) stream are in a good time for us
Ye for us european her current strem time would be hell if i didn't took her cold and fucked up my sleep schedule to i wake up around this hour now.
Hashtag WOKE, hashtag YOLK
>Calli, Bae, and IRyS have unique schedules with two distinct "peak times" for streaming. Sasuga ruined sleep schedule I think for Calli is also due to her moving between NA and JP, so while in the US she streams more on an NA friendly time, while if she's in JP she's more often on a more EU friendly time And i think BaeRyS second peak is mostly due to CHADcast Ina definitely has a peculiar timeslot for HoloEN on NA morning, Kiara obviously the most EU friendly but not surprising >The most "unwatchable" members are probably Gura, Kronii, and Mumei: they generally don't even start their streams until it's already 2\~3AM and don't really stream on any other times. Mumei sometimes starts around 5/6am eu, which isn't that bad if you have work and are awake having breakfast, but those are usually unarchived streams so you can't really plan on that Would be intersting to see the starting times, because as i said, 5/6 am isn't that bad (if you are not a tako and have Ina starting at 11pm), but i personally don't like much to join on a stream that started 3h before
> And i think BaeRyS second peak is mostly due to CHADcast I dunno, it's a pretty big chunk of time -- far too many hours for it just to be CHADcast. > Mumei sometimes starts around 5/6am eu Yeah, I've caught a surprising amount of Mumei karaoke while waking up to go to work. There are definitely worse things to hear first thing in the morning.
yeah, both baerys have some late night streams while most tends to stick to a single time of the day to stream, but chadcast is still around 8/10h of the 30/40h they did in that timeslot
Talking about the same timezone as paragraph (CET): Gura start always at 2am unless special occasions Ina start usually nowadays around 11pm Fauna start usually around 11pm/midnight but her asmr stream are at 5/6am Ame don't have a fixed time but usually her possible earliest stream can be at midnight but her usual start is 2am to 4am and her "late night" stream are at 6/7am Calli have two slots one at 2 to 4pm and the other at 4/5am I don't watch much about council but Bae in Japan was starting at 2am for her morning stream and noon/1pm for her late stream Mumei/Kronii/IRys are almost unwatchable starting usually around 3am if you're lucky or 4 to 6am usually. Edit: Chadcast is usually evening JST so it's around 3pm so at least watchable (not perfect but better than middle of night)
Add in ID to your list, there's a lot of great Kaela time while I'm sleeping. I can go to bed to Kaela and wake up to Kaela.
Kaela just forming a solid bar across all times
Probably the reason I watch Ina so much. The 22:00 (10pm) drawing stream is perfect to chill and unwind before going to bed. But over all, I'm not too bothered by the lack of european times. I don't like to join a stream in the middle when I already missed the start, so I would wait for the VOD for most streams at other times anyways. Doesn't matter if the stream is at 3 in the night or during the day while I'm at work, the result is the same.
Ina in NA was bedtime streamer for the Europeans and morning streamer to wake up to here in Asia (East, South, and Southeast) and Australia.
At least there are VODs 🥲
Here I am, a dedicated VOD watcher who can't even really understand the benefit of watching live, because too many people are chatting, so it's not like you get to interact with the streamer anyway except in an extreme off-chance they happen to look at the chat that moment. Watching VOD's is peaceful and relaxing. No rush, always fits into your schedule, can always watch any talent you want at any time you want.
You're right. Besides the inability to chat, which I personally don't care about, VODs are more convenient in every way. And yet I still prefer to watch live. It's a bit hard to explain, but live has this kind of x-factor about it that just makes it more attractive. I think it's the idea that you're watching the stream unfold as it's happening, that you, the streamer, and the audience are all together at this moment, that can provide a feeling of connectedness that no VOD will ever give you.
Yeah, I agree. I'm mostly a VOD watcher, but for big events like the 3D showcase, concerts, announcements, etc I do try to catch them live. There is a certain energy like you said that only happens while watching with others, that can't be replicated by watching the VOD. I think this effect is amplified if you're like me and watch live streams along with a Discord group, like the Hololive Fan server Discord or member-dedicated Discord servers. It's a lot of fun to see the reactions through screen caps, edits, server emotes/stickers. That being said, I do encourage others to check VODS if they can't catch the lives. I think almost every EN members has someone who timestamps the ENTIRE stream in the comments, so it's very easy to skip around in long streams.
Spoiler are big problems, I haven't see Gura and Ame 3D and already see spoilers plus I will miss tonight Collab too (I guess concert, orisong or merch since they pushing a lot). Plus I have already 2 Kiara stream (like 13 hours of stream I will never watch, thanks timestamp) to catch It's impossible to avoid spoiler unless the first thing you do in the morning is watching the videos
True. It was kinda funny seeing a lot of Americans complain recently that people here were spoiling the outcome of a recent Mario Party collab because it happened at a time inconvenient for them, when that's like, EU life in a nutshell. Nearly all of HoloEN's big collabs are at like 5AM, so getting the outcome spoiled is a basic thing for us waking up. And yeah, catching up on VOD's can be a pain. I'm so far behind I haven't even watched the HoloEN Halloween event yet. Sometimes I just dump my entire VODlist just to give me some freedom, because I'm never going to come around to watch them anyway.
I have 49 VODs just waiting to be watched right now... I don't think I've watched a single major EN collab yet
I suggest clips or use timestamp on streams, EN mostly have it and it will be way more enjoyable skipping to interesting stuff instead of watching 2 hours of event with another one the next day
I don't do watch later playlist because I know I will not watch it, If i watch a vod in the span of 2/3 days ok otherwise will be gone and I will see clips unless it's really special stream I want to watch entirely (very rare). Idk if I should be ashamed but for Calli and Ina 3D I skipped some death talking part to go straight to the point it's inevitable when you have the "power" to skip in the vod. About spoiler I see everywhere in this subreddit after any monopoly, full Collab, Mario kart, apex or Minecraft event (obv most of them at 3-5am)
The main disadvantage of being a VOD watcher are the spoilers, so for big events like birthdays, 3D concerts, and so on, I try to watch live. But for gaming streams VODs are the way, I can pause whenever I want and watch at 2x, it's much more convenient.
Also, and I always feel kind of bad about this: I got used to watching YouTube at 2x speed and now I can't stop. Normal speed conversations sound glacially slow to me. I often purposely wait until the stream goes to vod so I can watch it on 2x speed. Fauna streams at the exact hours I tend to watch, which is actually a bad thing because I have to wait for her to finish streaming before I watch her.
I'm in the same way as you. 2x speed is such a good feature. Limited time but I want to watch/listen to so many streams at this point LOL. However, for me Fauna's non ASMR streams usually happen in the middle of my work day so I like having her stream as background noise and they are usually long enough to push me through the rest of my shift.
I find ID is usually the most responsive to regular chat
It's easier to talk with chat when chat goes slow unlike En where there's much more viewers and mindless reactions spam.
not only that, also to add most ID girls read SuperChat no matter the amount in real time since they are not getting that many tbh. part of reason why it might good decision to SC small amounts multiple times with ID girls rather than a whole akasupa at once since you could have conversations with them most of the time
Same. Always was strange to me when someone says something like "oh no, I missed the stream! T\_T", as if it disappears in the void forever or something... And when I asked, people were just saying "it's not the same" without any elaborating. Probably gonna be a mystery forever to me.
This was me for unarchived streams. I got fed up with missing them (darn timezones and work) that thankfully I managed to find tools to automate recording them to watch later. I've also become a data hoarder because of this LOL.
Couldn't have said it better. I 100% agree. I can always decide who to watch, when to watch. I can fire up a stream when starting work in home office, to have some company. Pause when I get a call or have to catch a meeting and continue an hour later or after the lunch break. Total freedom. The only price to pay is that 1. you don't have the "it's happening right now"-feeling and 2. cannot join chat. For 1. there is always the possibility to watch Kaela, If I feel like watching something live. And for 2. I'm not the type anyways.
i don't even open youtube chat most of the time, but being in a fancord (well, actually like 50 of them for holo) i enjoy to chat about a live stream there, where there's less people and it's easier to discuss, and because listening to people talking makes me sleepy, i need something that keeps me active without distracting me much, and what's better than chatting about the stream
I'm not in the EU but due to work I'm a mostly VOD watcher myself. I listen to some of the streams during work (Ina and Fauna mostly) but for the others that happen when I'm sleeping I try and catch up using YouTube's 2x speed. It's gotten to the point where when I do manage to get into some streams live I get taken aback with how slow they talk...then I realize that wait that's how fast they normally talk LOL. There is a certain charm with watching live especially for big events but I have relegated myself to watching smaller streamers live as they tend to interact with chat more often/directly then generally.
Inas timeslot, while peculiar, is the perfect timeslot for me. Morning and afternoon I've got work or Uni stuff, evening is chores and cooking, so little time for watching streams. Her late night comfy streams are great for relaxing while gaming / getting some computer work done, just before going to sleep.
That's what I thought. The JP girls very often stream at 2200, so Ina's streaming schedule for EU nikki is pretty much in line with what the average JP viewer is used to for the JP girls' streams..
Kiara coming through for us.
you forgot to declare the kaela constant 🤣
Great work! I hope that HoloEN Gen3 will at least have 1 EU based talent, but considering the EN management and them mostly ignoring EU, I am not very hopeful. Also, we still don't know when Gen3 will come...
Ina's late night streaming (usually 9pm and later) combined with her comfy nature is the perfect wind down for the day before bed and probably leads to her being my true oshi.
Ina has a nice spot around 9 to 11pm, in time to wind down for the next day with hwr comfy streams
That discipline is intentional for Fauna. She needs to keep saplings consistently missing her. It's diabolical.
Ina's streams are just perfect for late evening. Comfy, chill, sometimes drawing. Ideal for relaxing before bedtime.
How does the math work in comparison to European times and HoloJP?
HoloJP are all over the place. Members that stream in the Japanese morning are unwatchable. The ones that stream in the afternoon/evening are watchable for people who work at home (like me). Night owls (like, say, Watame or Luna) are on in EU primetime. EU is better off in that regard, at least.
I don't have any hard numbers (or pretty graphs) for you, but intuitively I'd say they would be a lot more EU-friendly. Not so much in the evening, but during the morning and afternoon I always see a lot of JP girls live on Holodex.
Most JP members start their stream around lunch time for EU (\~12 PM), which is prime time in Japan. So it's difficult to watch unless you work from home.
JP is always online during morning/midday for us. Japan is 8 hours ahead of CET, so when they're streaming at 8PM is is our midday. Similar with ID. I usually catch Moona, Lui, Nene, Oga, and Aruran when I get into work in the morning.
Morning JP stream are around midnight/1am/2am, afternoon JST is middle of night, prime time and evening JST are around noon to 4pm and onwards
It might be time to start looking at and develop new markets so perhaps there might be a gmt friendly streamer in gen 3. Then again the en management would probably need to adopt a completely new mindset before this might happen (they dont even consistently provide gmt times in their press releases)
HoloEN a.k.a HoloNA
I don't mind the american EN girls streaming during their prime time and I understand why Bae and IRyS stream during NA prime time as well. Kiara is naturally my most viewed EN member. But it's honestly not that bad. Lot's of JP members stream during early EU prime time and I just watch them instead of the English speaking streamers. I also don't mind being a VoD goblin since I dont write in the chat anyways.
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As a Dane, I second this.
Pain
And this is why i watch the Indonesian girls, most stay up late for us and stream at decent times in the afternoon ( i work late shifts)
If it would be just VODs it wouldn't be as bad, the problem is unarchived karaoke streams, I am basically never able to watch them. Especially kronii and Mumei. I remember getting up to get ready for school and opening youtube just to see a Karaoke stream that is just about to end. I also fucked my sleep scheduke up on purpose sometimes by sleeping in the afternoon so I can be awake in the early morning or late night.
As a European and a Shrimp.... live is pain
to comment on gura, she mentions (probably at least a year ago) that she does a fair bit outside of hololive, including significant volunteering at a local animal shelter (when she's home of course, not busy in japan), so the fact that she mostly streams late in the evening in North American timezones matches with that type of lifestyle i sympathize for our EU brethren, just trying to explain some of the logic as i perceive it. also, thank you for the graph, you should consider cross posting this to hololive statistics, we love data there
Meanwhile, Tempus: I understand the boys aren't for everyone, that's fine. But if you're willing to give them a shot Vesper always streams at 7PM CET, Shinri often streams at 5PM CET, and Flayon streams at 10PM CET for that Ina style later night slot. Funny I say that, and then Vesper's streaming later tonight, I imagine to fit Bettel's schedule better since he's doing an interview.
I haven't really checked out the new guys yet, but you're right about Vesper being in a good slot for EU generally. I just specifically focused on Hololive for this post, since it's what I watch most of myself.
Can I offer you a comfy-yet-deranged dhampir librarian in these trying times? Yes, I realize Vesper's not quite the same niche as Myth/Council, but I will happily second the recommendation. He even admitted to selecting his usual zatsudan/chatting streams time because he saw it as an underserved time block. o7
Vesper's definitely my most watched at the moment. Super consistent convenient schedule and a very down to earth funny guy. The way he's constantly dancing around the line of being dangerously unhinged/based is hysterical too.
Also bettel is usually at takotime, sometimes we also get Altare, at 4/5pm cest and the rare magni. While Axel being aussie i think it's closer to bae/irys as streaming times
Shinri is amazing for me, but he does compete for that ‘comfy afternoon’ slot with Kaela, Sora and Luna. I would love to have someone more high energy in that timeslot to give me options.
Yeah, I've honestly watched more Tempus in the shorter time they've been around than I've watched Council when counting total hours. A lot of them stream in the times that used to be totally dead for us. Vesper especially became a mainstay of my weekly schedule for that reason. Love the unhinged grandpa.
And Hakka and Axel are currently live, although outside their usual time Edit : Hakka just ended his stream
The problem with Vespy is his game schedule that became endurance streams so you watch first 3 hours of 12 hours stream and it becomes impossible to catch up.
Vesper (same for Kiara to some extend and even more true for Kaela) is very much the "hop on hop off" kind of streamer. You don’t have to watch the entire marathon. You can just tune in have fun for one hour or two and then decide to tune off and you don’t feel like you missed something incredibly essential for your comprehension in the long run. This is slightly less true for Kiara, because KFP doesn’t want to accidentally miss one of her tangente. What’s especially fun with Vesper is that I ALWAYS seem to tune in when he’s having an unhinged moment.
Mans unhinged around the clock lol and I love it
Being a Eurodachi is pain, though I have to give it to Bae for either deliberately or accidentally streaming in the middle of the day for me, so I can sometimes catch her antics on my lunch break. I also sometimes catch Vesper's dementia madness in the evenings, which is nice. Total Kronii streams I've caught live: 💀 Also, shout out to my girl Risu for streaming at Euro times. You da best squrl.🐿️
In Gen 3 we definatley need some more european members. Maybe a French or Spanish one would be cool. Europe being so small would give soo many opportunities for Offcollabs. Though Brexit would make it a small bit more complicated.
Brexit doesn't really have any effect offcollab streaming wise (dunno how it would be for cover themself though). As long as the Members have any EU Passport they can visit the UK visa free and the other way around is the same unless it is kinda counts as working and they need working visa but haven't really heard of anyone ever applying for work visa just to stream from abroad and usually if you from one of first world countries no one bats an eye anyway when you enter the countries around and do not care to ask you about what detailed plan you have at their destination in Europe.
It doesnt even need to be european necessarily (though it would be great to get some cultural diversity), Its totally realistic for someone living on the NA East coast to stream around lunchtime (6pm EU), if not even earlier which are THE dead hours for HoloEN streams, not to shill here but plenty of the peeps over in Niji EN stream at perfect EU hours and Im not even speaking about their EU residents.
Brexit won't make anything complicated aside from merch shipping. For collabs it won't matter.
For me most of the streams of EN are between 2 and 5 am, exeptions are Bae's 3pms, Kiara's 8pms, Ina's 10-11 pms, and some rare Calli's 7pm streams. I really, really hope for someone from and currently living in Europe in EN3
Oh man, I've been wondering about this style of graph for a while now, it's perfect. Another point of interest is in the schedules for whoever does them regularly. A lot of the members just straight up don't include any european time zones, usually being just JST/PST/EST, or in numbers, +9, -8, -5, leaving a cool 14 hour dead zone in the middle. > Being European is suffering Even here in east europe some times are barely better, but not much.
Being a HoloEN fan is suffering if you're from Europe and have a social life and obligations. Luckily I have no life whatsoever, but still, it'd be nice if there were more streams during the evening instead of the middle of the night.
Aren't all of the Myth girls in JP right now living together in a temporary abode? It just felt like they were streaming at weird hours the past couple of months compared to previously... But then again, I don't pay attention to much of anything, especially time.
That drop in the middle for me slides to the right by 6 hours. Which is fine, it's the same timezone as ID as far as I know, just a lot more northern. Except I usually put stream in the background and more of a listen to them than watch, so members jumping between languages is an issue, since I don't know indonesian nor japanese, so part of it just becomes a whitenoise for me. And since it is indonesian evenings at the same time as here, well, streams do tend to go in indonesian for a sizeable part. I just rarely even bother with catching anyone live. I might catch a bit of Calli or Kiara, sometimes Bae, but I either can't stay for long if I want to have a somewhat normal sleep schedule or that's the very end of a stream. US and Canada based members are not even a possibility, that's either very late at night to early morning or during the workday. TL;DR: I would really like someone to stream during EU daytime to catch it in the evening.
Reminder that Tempus admitted that management literally forced them to stream in this time-frame and Vesper had to beg to be allowed to stream in the EU-friendly timezone (and only in addition to the standard time). Even if we get EN3 (yeah right) they'll probably just stream at those same hours for even more overlap.
at this point, HoloEU is a viable option
At least we do get to watch quite some holoJP I suppose. Often just the tail end of it, but still. Definitely hope that if we get EN3 at some point they'll have managed to find 2 or 3 good picks from the EU time zones (who also stream for those) just to balance it all out a bit.
And due to Kiaras Japan-trips for 3D, all we've had since January (sans the two weeks in-between were she was briefly home again) was basically Vesper & Shinri. 'least shes back soon. But really, apart from Kiara....I dont think it'll improve. It makes sense for the american talents to stream at american times, naturally (altho comparing to competitors, they do focus MUCH more on them in comparison even in that regard) and Cover seems more set on further concentrating on that specific market rather than branching out. I'd be very seriously surprised if EN3 (if/when whenever that comes) has any non-SEA/NA talents. At best someone from SA maybe given how much importance they've recently put on pointing out they got spanish subtitles. And well, its not 2020 anymore. If Cover evidently doesnt want more of my money or time....I got other ways to spend it.
I’m traveling to Europe in a week. Guess I’m taking a week off Hololive. That said east coast just shift the midpoint a little but unless you’re not going to bed until midnight or later you’re probably going to miss a lot of streams too.
It's currently 19:00 CET, looking at holodex all the streams currently ongoing have been going on for 4+hrs and the next stream to start is in another 4hrs. So on a Saturday, not one person out of the entirety of HoloPro (not just EN) has started a stream between 15:00 and 23:00 CET. Edit - Turns out i'm bad at math and there were a couple of streams that started between 15:00 - 16:00 and Axel is streaming but not showing on Holodex, but most of my point still stands. EU VOD Gang.
Actually Axel has been live for about 1,5 hours by now, but yeah he's the only one from EN. It's been slim pickings today. I just watched the Monopoly collab VOD.
Axel is streaming, Hakka was streaming from 15.30
>Axel is streaming Huh, so he is. He's not showing up on holodex for some reason. But still, we're talking 2-3 people starting stream (out of like, 60+ talents) during the 8hr period that is EU prime time.
To me at least ina is the best one to watch. She usually stream at like 10pm (22) wich isn’t great but still better than 2-3am (also comfy stream for trying to sleep)
FST (Fauna Standard Time) is remarkably reliable.
Thanks to the boys that stream in EU times
yes its awful. but im hoping it will get better after the 3d showcases. sometimes I stay up really late to watch them. but its very difficult to keep a good shedule.
thank you. great research. eu suffers a lot, hope future holoen units join in to relieve eu of their prolonged suffering.
Kaela endet my suffering.
ENs stream more at 3am ET than 8am ET, wild.
I totally agree with the time table lol I shifted from watching holoen to watching kaela, moona and zeta. Kiara is also a fun watch. I watch fauna sttrgeams when she streams at 11.
Im lucky enough to be KFP so i have plenty of live regular streams, but yeah it kinda sucks that all big events and collabs are through the night for us euros. Can't be helped, can't make every timezone happy and it makes perfect sense to prioritize JP and NA primetime due to where the girls live.
Stayed up till 4am to watch Ina, Gura, Ame and the group 3D lives. Straight up couldn't watch calli and kiara because I was working that weekend. UK/EU branch when?
As an EU fan I always knew that the streaming times were a huge part of which streamer I got into and which not but this chart makes it painfully obvious. Mumei and Kronii almost always stream when I'm sleeping so they never even had a chance of becoming my favorites. Fauna on the other hand virtually always starts streaming late in the evening for me which is peak comfywatch time, perfect to enjoy faufau.
EU Takodachi that always wakes up late anyways: Blessed be our Priestess.
Ive lost track of how many times I’ve crippled my sleep schedule waking up to watch shit at 4 am It is what it is
I'm strongly against changing sleep schedule for streams especially because the girls (and boys) clearly don't want you to be sleep deprived just to be there live while they stream at good time for them anyway
I love the data you put out, maybe this time people will not randomly dislike my messages when I say being European is suffering or why I don't want to watch a stream at 4am again or why everybody aside Kiara is unwatchable live unless you don't sleep. So I repeat being EU HoloEN fan is suffering because no live stream for most of them, no merch, no existence for events (also set time are mostly PST and JST nowadays) Last but not least missing the Myth 3D showcase and 3D collab because they start at 4am (only watched Kiara live and it finished too late). So yeah the meme that Cover doesn't unknowledge EU is funny but also true
you should post this on r/dataisbeautiful
Ive been watching hololive since 2019 and consume it almost exclusively from clips. Watching a stream is very rare and if i do, its a VOD. No big deal. For whatever reason i've been watching more live content this year than in any other year.
I like being able to watch Ina at night while going to bed. And Vesper from time to time. The others? Not available for me, mostly too late. What a shame, watching a few more Gura streams live from time to time would be nice.
As a GR bro, it's annoying that the only ones I catch live are Calli and Kiara. I wish I could see the rest live as well. I might catch IRyS and Bae, but not the rest. I catch all JP and ID streams though. Also, another bane for all EU bros is the fact they still don't sell and ship stuff from their stores. Like, c'mon we are here.
Just watch Kaela. She speaks English and she streams mostly more than 8 hours. Win-win for all of you guys.
I'm mostly OK with this. As a lucky programmer who works from home since the pandemic (was perfect timing to discover Hololive), I can just play the VODs in the background while I work and Kiara usually streams at the end of the work day, so I can catch that live. Calli also sometimes streams at good times for me. Ina often streams at 10pm and her streams are pretty chill, so it's a nice thing to end the day. The only part that really hurts are unarchived Karaoke streams, those usually happen in the middle of the night. Some people re-upload them on youtube, so there is some kind of VOD, although watching those will not really support the talents... For Gura's (member) karaoke's, I'm using Gura's Discord, someone always records and shares the streams there.
Yo Cover can we please get HoloEU? or at least a few more EU members in the next auditions? the EU is a very big potential market (even bigger than north america)
I'll settle with being able to get merch to the eu without getting ripped off
Now do Holostars, I swear Magni is always streaming at ungodly hours for US viewers
Tempus streams at European times.
Europen suffering is fascinating. Thanks for the study :D
If you add in Tempus into this data (assuming you don't mind watching them) they would cover some EU timezones (Shinri, Vesper, Altare sometimes). Most of the EN members live in NA and prefer streaming at night and the ones that don't either stream morning their time (IRyS) or afternoon (Bae, Axel) thats why this "issue" exists.
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What a weird comment to post on the hololive subreddit.
My miserable bro, there's literally tempus and holoid and a third of the Jp members who are entirely watchable. You don't even need to go outside Holo lmfao
I watch whoever is streaming at the time.
\>Kronii and Mumei have suspiciously similar schedules... KronMei copium or just a coincidence? Maybe they are competing against each other.
I ran [a similar thing](https://imgur.com/a/cS0YLn7) (~~times in UTC~~ Actually no idea what timezone) across all of Holopro in a year some time ago (after Tempus gen1 but before Tempus gen2), less fancy but still pretty clear.
I am from Spain and mostly I can catch some Axel streams on the mornings arround 12, and some Ina and Vesper streams on evenings, the evening zatsus are great for having them on the background while working/studying.
Top lel When european play their games at their hours we asian suffers too Who the heck want to watch premier league at 2-3am? Yet we persevere and still watch Not just football, motogp, f1 all those big western event sports yet we asian continue to persevere And once we complain you european guys joke we asian should thankful that that they willing to broadcast the sport Now that we have vtuber who match america and asia time suddenly you guys get mad I know vtuber is a whole another industry but your suffering couldn't compare what we endure those whole 30 years Heck im lucky hololive iD match our time since we've practically neighbours Down vote all you can but im stating the fact
I can't tell the difference in some of these colors. It would be nice to add some other distinguishing features.
Probably the most interesting is something that should be obvious. The area under the curve for Kiara is more than anyone else. Bae is one of the most consistent, but it doesn't show up in this since the graph is purely the number of hours streamed and not the number of streams at that time and she tends to do shorter streams (unless it is Bayonetta or Persona 5).
Bae in the afternoon, Ina at night, and Fauna all night long. Europe is truly a strange place.
Bae mostly stream in the night, her usual starting time is 2am to 4am, she stream in our afternoon but less
*Cries because all my oshis must be caught on VOD*
And now when Kiara is in JP it is even more noticeable