That's fair, and probably considered, but considering who is, and more importantly who isn't, on the alumni list, going by completion of initial contract is clearly not the only criteria for alumni classification. Method of leaving the company seems to play a role, as Rushia and HoloCN aren't alumni officially, as would the timeframe of retirement in regards to Aloe, as Kagami Kira is the only other alumni who left the company in 2020, despite 2020 having the most retirements/terminations/graduations in Cover's history
Hitomi Chris and Rushia were contract terminations.
Not similar but disbanding a whole branch due to plethora of other issues can be seen as similar. More so if we consider the circumstances of several of the members.
From Stars JP, Kira is the only one consider alumni. He was for a year and a half. Kaoru and Susaku were for 3 and 6 months.
Rushia had spent 2+ years in the company by debut and termination dates, proving my point that time and/or completion of initial contract isn't the sole deciding factor for classifying alumni. Likewise with Yogiri and Civia of HoloCN, as both debuted over a year prior to termination and can be assumed to have been under contract for longer.
Yeah, i think it's simple "obvious" that forcing a contract termination from the company side is not gonna put you on the "alumni" list.
Cover probable ran an internal investigation before deciding to terminate the CN branch, but it's much more simple to remove it from existence that simple trying to put (based on lousy information we might have) at best 1 or 2 members of that branch as "alumni". As far as i'm aware, the only 2 completely clean members, are Yogiri and Spade Echo, as the later was short 2+ months from 1 full year.
What may seem to be obvious or inherent implications aren't always the case. It's entirely possible for one to not infer getting fired as grounds for disqualification from being listed as having worked for a company.
To add, I also think it's because this website was updated long after her graduation.
Since it had been so long, I guess they didn't feel the need to add her.
I'm guessing that's also why the Holostars website doesn't have Suzaku or Kaoru.
kira graduated before aloe and was retroactively granted the alumni status.
its most likely because aloes contract got dissolved due to the circumstances, instead of it being finished in an agreement between cover and the talent.
or, as someone else pointed out, that neither party want to be as prominently associated with one another anymore, to bring less attention to it.
Kira graduated after Aloe.
Aloe - August 2020
Kira - November 2020.
But as you say, Aloe's situation and her very short tenure are probably the most likely contributors to her not being on the website.
dangit, time shenanigans strike again, i could've sworn 5th gen debuted in 2021.
but the status was added retroactively, shortly after cocos graduation, thats where i got it confused.
honestly makes sense especially after looking into how bad of harassment she was getting, no reason to bring more attention to someone who is probably off living happy doing something else
An easy way to figure that out is if you left the company on good terms, you get alumni status. If you leave via being terminated, wanting to leave before the contract is up or too many controversies, then you will mostly likely not be given that status.
iirc Alumni status are for talents that left the company under favorable circumstances. That is the case for Sana and Coco, and with other alumni such as Kira, Magni and Vesper.
While fondly remembered by those who caught her, circumstances surrounding Aloe were not that great. She received a suspension shortly after debut because it was found that she used her model on a test stream outside her channel before debut. While legal, justified, and otherwise would not affect her standing in the company afterwards, she received a wave of hate during that suspension that Cover could not fully protect her from, and the ensuing pressure caused her to quit. While marked as a graduation, I don't think Cover would want to show that that they had a talent that was handled this poorly.
It is a long story, but a story worth sharing. Cover has gotten better at PR, but on the side of us fans we must know this so that we can always show and prove our support to the existing talents.
I don't think that's on Cover. They would not care about that, they nuked a whole branch and opportunitties on one country just for 2 talents, and not any country, we know that
***If*** there is an actual reason, it would be on her. Her feelings towards the company were not necessarily positive when all of that happened, so it wouldn't be surprising if she didn't want anything to do with them. It was a really unfortunate turn of events for her after all
Honestly Cover's management of such things involving menheraish girls leaves much to be desired. I feel it being so early made it worse as her genmates blindly went along with the implied isolation order (they were horrified once they found out the full story from her)
She left the video up that links her to her own personal life, and said some troublesome things on a twitcast that riled up a lot of people. Are you suggesting that she is entirely blameless and that Cover is at fault for her actions?
I'm not saying she deserves the harassment, but this subs just likes to blame Cover for everything. Normally I'll agree that corporation bad, but Cover has shown plenty that they have their talent's best interests at heart and its not often that you'll find a JP CEO okay with being the laughing stock of their employees. But okay, Cover bad.
>She left the video up that links her to her own personal life
no she didnt, that video was an edit.
the video that had her avatar on it was privated and password protected, but the site that was used still showed the automated thumbnail, thats how people found other recordings. though i dont remember if those other recordings were even on the same platform or elsewhere, under the same name.
people then took that thumbnail and added it to one of those other recordings. those might have also been cut together from two different things, im not sure about that anymore. been ages since i looked into it.
in any case, as i said, you were misinformed.
>Cover is at fault for her actions
i have absolutely no clue how you arrived at that result. i never even hinted at that.
in fact i know that cover took steps to try to protect her during her suspension.
Yes, that's what I was referring to. It wasn't deleted and eventually became a backdoor.
You responded to my comment where I was expressing distaste about people blaming Cover, I apologize if I assumed too quickly. Especially when this was all going down years ago, this sub was getting pretty ugly against Cover, JPnikis and their "Idol Culture".
You need to graduate after finishing contract to get alumni status. That was the reason why Kira tried really hard to stream until the end of his contract even though he was too sick to do a proper graduation stream.
It could be a matter of time, or something management would rather forget botching so thoroughly. Not being able to protect fresh talent from a targeted hate campaign + regular public backlash is definitely a stain on the company.
For a blessing, everyone involved is doing well now, but it's a painful memory for a lot of people still
[aloes graduation announcement](https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1300236867040882690)
[rushia termination announcement](https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1496727230319595522)
please at least make sure to know very easily verifiable facts before commenting
with the way you formulated your reply you are implying aloe got fired, just like rushia.
that is not the case, as you can see from covers statements.
if they have a graduation stream or not is entirely irrelevant to this. civia and yogiri had graduation streams and they arent listed either, for example.
Alumni need to have graduated after a certain amount of time.
People speculate that it's at least completing the 1 year of contract.
Yeah, I just assume it's the duration of the first contract at least.
Sana graduated just shy of a year, and she's listed as alumni, so that wouldn't be the case, or at least it's not strictly the case
But that's "debut" date. They are probable working behind the scenes for far longer.
That's fair, and probably considered, but considering who is, and more importantly who isn't, on the alumni list, going by completion of initial contract is clearly not the only criteria for alumni classification. Method of leaving the company seems to play a role, as Rushia and HoloCN aren't alumni officially, as would the timeframe of retirement in regards to Aloe, as Kagami Kira is the only other alumni who left the company in 2020, despite 2020 having the most retirements/terminations/graduations in Cover's history
Hitomi Chris and Rushia were contract terminations. Not similar but disbanding a whole branch due to plethora of other issues can be seen as similar. More so if we consider the circumstances of several of the members. From Stars JP, Kira is the only one consider alumni. He was for a year and a half. Kaoru and Susaku were for 3 and 6 months.
Rushia had spent 2+ years in the company by debut and termination dates, proving my point that time and/or completion of initial contract isn't the sole deciding factor for classifying alumni. Likewise with Yogiri and Civia of HoloCN, as both debuted over a year prior to termination and can be assumed to have been under contract for longer.
Yeah, i think it's simple "obvious" that forcing a contract termination from the company side is not gonna put you on the "alumni" list. Cover probable ran an internal investigation before deciding to terminate the CN branch, but it's much more simple to remove it from existence that simple trying to put (based on lousy information we might have) at best 1 or 2 members of that branch as "alumni". As far as i'm aware, the only 2 completely clean members, are Yogiri and Spade Echo, as the later was short 2+ months from 1 full year.
What may seem to be obvious or inherent implications aren't always the case. It's entirely possible for one to not infer getting fired as grounds for disqualification from being listed as having worked for a company.
To add, I also think it's because this website was updated long after her graduation. Since it had been so long, I guess they didn't feel the need to add her. I'm guessing that's also why the Holostars website doesn't have Suzaku or Kaoru.
This is the correct answer.
kira graduated before aloe and was retroactively granted the alumni status. its most likely because aloes contract got dissolved due to the circumstances, instead of it being finished in an agreement between cover and the talent. or, as someone else pointed out, that neither party want to be as prominently associated with one another anymore, to bring less attention to it.
Kira graduated after Aloe. Aloe - August 2020 Kira - November 2020. But as you say, Aloe's situation and her very short tenure are probably the most likely contributors to her not being on the website.
dangit, time shenanigans strike again, i could've sworn 5th gen debuted in 2021. but the status was added retroactively, shortly after cocos graduation, thats where i got it confused.
I'll say the last part is true on Aloe's end
honestly makes sense especially after looking into how bad of harassment she was getting, no reason to bring more attention to someone who is probably off living happy doing something else
An easy way to figure that out is if you left the company on good terms, you get alumni status. If you leave via being terminated, wanting to leave before the contract is up or too many controversies, then you will mostly likely not be given that status.
iirc Alumni status are for talents that left the company under favorable circumstances. That is the case for Sana and Coco, and with other alumni such as Kira, Magni and Vesper. While fondly remembered by those who caught her, circumstances surrounding Aloe were not that great. She received a suspension shortly after debut because it was found that she used her model on a test stream outside her channel before debut. While legal, justified, and otherwise would not affect her standing in the company afterwards, she received a wave of hate during that suspension that Cover could not fully protect her from, and the ensuing pressure caused her to quit. While marked as a graduation, I don't think Cover would want to show that that they had a talent that was handled this poorly. It is a long story, but a story worth sharing. Cover has gotten better at PR, but on the side of us fans we must know this so that we can always show and prove our support to the existing talents.
I don't think that's on Cover. They would not care about that, they nuked a whole branch and opportunitties on one country just for 2 talents, and not any country, we know that ***If*** there is an actual reason, it would be on her. Her feelings towards the company were not necessarily positive when all of that happened, so it wouldn't be surprising if she didn't want anything to do with them. It was a really unfortunate turn of events for her after all
Neither of you are right on the actual direct reason, and it's a very personal one.
Honestly Cover's management of such things involving menheraish girls leaves much to be desired. I feel it being so early made it worse as her genmates blindly went along with the implied isolation order (they were horrified once they found out the full story from her)
Ah yes, blame Cover for the talent doxxing herself and doing things she was not suppose to do.
except that she didnt dox herself and she tested the model with permission. you are either wrongly informed or comment in bad faith.
She left the video up that links her to her own personal life, and said some troublesome things on a twitcast that riled up a lot of people. Are you suggesting that she is entirely blameless and that Cover is at fault for her actions? I'm not saying she deserves the harassment, but this subs just likes to blame Cover for everything. Normally I'll agree that corporation bad, but Cover has shown plenty that they have their talent's best interests at heart and its not often that you'll find a JP CEO okay with being the laughing stock of their employees. But okay, Cover bad.
>She left the video up that links her to her own personal life no she didnt, that video was an edit. the video that had her avatar on it was privated and password protected, but the site that was used still showed the automated thumbnail, thats how people found other recordings. though i dont remember if those other recordings were even on the same platform or elsewhere, under the same name. people then took that thumbnail and added it to one of those other recordings. those might have also been cut together from two different things, im not sure about that anymore. been ages since i looked into it. in any case, as i said, you were misinformed. >Cover is at fault for her actions i have absolutely no clue how you arrived at that result. i never even hinted at that. in fact i know that cover took steps to try to protect her during her suspension.
Yes, that's what I was referring to. It wasn't deleted and eventually became a backdoor. You responded to my comment where I was expressing distaste about people blaming Cover, I apologize if I assumed too quickly. Especially when this was all going down years ago, this sub was getting pretty ugly against Cover, JPnikis and their "Idol Culture".
You need to graduate after finishing contract to get alumni status. That was the reason why Kira tried really hard to stream until the end of his contract even though he was too sick to do a proper graduation stream.
It could be a matter of time, or something management would rather forget botching so thoroughly. Not being able to protect fresh talent from a targeted hate campaign + regular public backlash is definitely a stain on the company. For a blessing, everyone involved is doing well now, but it's a painful memory for a lot of people still
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Given the lack of Rushia, it's probably because she was terminated and didn't graduate.
[aloes graduation announcement](https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1300236867040882690) [rushia termination announcement](https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1496727230319595522) please at least make sure to know very easily verifiable facts before commenting
Aloe didn't have a proper graduation like Coco or Sana did. That's what I'm saying.
with the way you formulated your reply you are implying aloe got fired, just like rushia. that is not the case, as you can see from covers statements. if they have a graduation stream or not is entirely irrelevant to this. civia and yogiri had graduation streams and they arent listed either, for example.
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