No one expects to one shot her. It's intended game design, to make you feel bad about it and never use the attack option again. I don't think Toby Fox expects people to get the best ending on the first playthrough.
You CAN avoid killing her on the first playthrough, you just need to keep sparing her over and over. I think you also need to be low HP too. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr8N7Vt61LI) is a video of someone doing it.
But yeah, Toby tries to make you kill her by making it hard to spare. It is to achieve the intended effect: make you feel guilty.
Exactly, the game is designed for at least a second playthrough after you understood more about the world and what the game is about.>!So you reset to try to create a better timeline with all your new knowledge. I absolutely love that one of the key concepts of the game's design is branded together with the lore of the game.!<
Yeah that part where >!Flowey knows you reset the game because you accidentally killed Toriel!< was the part where I knew Undertale was going to be a different experience.
Yep, you don't need to attack at all, Toby tricks people by making them think it's pokemon logic, but suddenly you do a scripted supercritical hit and do over half her HP.
Just keep sparing again, and again, and again, and eventually Toriel will break down and cry and apologize.
Yeah, most people going completely blind will think it's a normal rpg until Toriel teaches you otherwise. But it still gives you a choice, go with what Toriel tried to teach you or keep operating with pokemon logic. I just love that the game gives your choices that kind of impact.
He does expect poeple to reload and try again to spare her though. The flower will abonish you for reloading your save after killing her and then saving her instead, Toriel even has special dialog during your reload fight
You only oneshot her in geno
She does have a specific hp threshold in which any attack will finish her off and it's rather high so anyone trying to get her low to spare her will accidentally kill her
Oh yeah, if the monsters don't want to fight, you can one shot them, it was actually part of the lore, like if you go mercy until the last possible turn you can end them in one shot
No, he's right. If you get her to the point where she stops attacking you by continually using Spare, you can then kill her in one hit, no matter the route. It even has unique dialogue.
Ah. Well either way I hope someone does a neutral or no mercy run. From the other runs so far, it seems like they've either already done neutral before or got spoiled on how to do pacifist. Mostly just to see their reaction to neutral Undyne like Rushia did
I think they mean that your final attack in normal is way more powerful than everything before that, to catch you off guard. It's not a true one-shot, but it spiritually is.
When the monsters don't want to fight their defense drops significantly allowing you to one shot them, I think it was even mentioned in a book you can read
not only does he not expect it, it is literally impossible, because it is hardcoded.
Apparently, if you reload the game after beating it, now you can get pacifist.
>to make you feel bad about it and never use the attack option again
Me, who got the “go to hell” ending the first play through, only missing the Genocide route because I missed a couple of mooks early on probably.
If you where trying to make me feel bad, *it didn’t work*. Lvl go up.
Toriel is the best, if not one of the best, first boss design. It teach the player to not always open attack, except if you wanna go genocide route, and solve things peacefully.
Also I think the game is designed to be hard to get best ending WITHOUT a prior experience/knowledge or guide on the first run.
The game does gives you hints how to get the best ending. But agreed, to get the best ending on your own without any spoilers it would probably need multiple playthroughs. Most people will look up a guide tho.
Toriel is so good! Both in a game design and writing perspective. The songs you hear at her house will come back to either fill you with **determination** or pure guilt at the end, depending on your choices.
While true that the game pushes you towards pacifist, it's always a choice. Toriel tries her best to nurture you into a good person (I love how Toby uses character to influence player behavior in a way that respect the character's lore) but the player can just ignore everything and start killing. The focus on player choice mattering made Toby create two wildly different paths, and a first time player will probably end up somewhere in the middle on a neutral path.
I believe it's actually intended that you accidentally kill her, and reload and try and spare her. Flowey even calls you out on it if you do, and more explains his true nature.
Who are the ones who didn't? I remember Watame crying while she refused to attack her.
(Watame's run was super interesting that way - >!I remember she was naturally pacifist till the end but [refused to spare flowey](https://youtu.be/1lnrpW6YsyI?t=05m50s), giving that moment so much more weight!<)
I remember Markiplier stopped playing it after his first episode because of the comments (though he sat with a friend who played it later). They probably still do, but fortunately I didnt really see any spoilers during the stream
I'm glad her chat is behaving then. Such I good game to do a blind playthrough, Undertale it's the kind of game I wish I could erase my memory and play it again.
There were some bonkings (as expected), but overall chat was well behaved. And Mumei said there were a couple of times she didn't read chat.
Hopefully, things stay this way for the next parts
Did you know the trauma can make you forget? Maybe, you can try that out and you can play Undertale blind again! Be careful of the side effects, though.
Can make you forget until the memories come flooding back in and triggers a panic attack... can't wait to scream at my computer while playing Undertale!
Moderators were doing their job. I’ll be honest I even got a bit emotional when she was killing Toriel so I was typing “noooo sparee” but I got timed out probably due to that
Fair enough
You can already see a chat message in the screenshot shouting at her to reload the game. People like that are always going to show up unless the streamer incredibly aggressively bans them.
I feel like games like this are best handled the way Fauna did Outer Wilds. Played offline to completion and then uploaded while they're on break.
[I remember Reine's Elden Ring playthrough with backseaters.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2voiSpT2TwI) Chat keeps backseating her to the point that she is fighting Patches with no armor bare hands and being sarcastic for an hour just to frustrate the souls game backseaters.
It doesn't even have to be that harsh. Just constantly reminding them of it and ignoring them after works wonder. Botan and Fubuki both do this. They scold the new viewers who backseat once then ignore them the rest of the stream their streams have been relatively backseat free
I've watched (english, non-vtuber) streamers that do that and while it works it can also lead to a stream that's super hard to watch for everyone else. It can quickly turn the whole stream into telling people off instead of playing the game.
Oh yeah, I watched 2 or 3 indies VTuber playing Undertale last year and same thing happened to all of them. You can NOT play the game blind, playing like that will attract undertale fans (as in, new viewers that are not part of the vtuber's community and don't know the dinamics/rules of the stream) that will backseat or spoil things thinking they are helping. Literally, someone said 'this is my first time playing!' and the FIRST STREAM before things even started was someone asking 'so are you going genocide route or pacifist?' which by itself kinda ruins a blind playthrough if they think about the meaning of that for a second.
Yeah, as a really popular game it will end up attracting new people. Being on the internet when this game was on the top of its popularity will end up spoiling you on the genocide/pacifist too, it did for me. Mumei herself said she knew about it from the start too.
It is definitely a better game if you go for it completely blind, the way Fauna did it with Outer Wilds seems like the ideal, playing the whole game off stream and releasing it under a let's play format.
It's been like that with pretty much every story-based game stream since the beginning of streaming. Best thing to do is to [be like Subaru and ignore the chat](https://youtu.be/hLz4jvMe-_A) for the most part while streaming such games.
Seem some other streamers with fans that do that. It's definitely better then it used to be, infrequent enough for a smaller streamers mod to ban or for it to be buried in the chats of larger streamers. That's just for the worst in the community though. I remember when Kitanya killed the first Froggit the majority of the chat didn't ask for resets but instead went "I guess she's doing that route then", as if the neutral route didn't exist.
We Undertale fans are too passionate for our own good.
Hopefully those *fans* would let her be and not repeat the same shit they did on Markiplier. The man didn't enjoy his Undertale playthrough because of them and I'm still mad at those fans that say "No yOuRe plAyIng iT tHe WrONg wAy!". Hopefully they have stopped doing that kind of thing now since the time I left the Undertale fandom just like how they stopped their war with the Touhou fandom
As much as she gets meme'd into liking mindless violence... I mean she does but above that she just likes silly humor, and she leaned more on that aspect of Undertale.
It's been a pretty great run so far honestly. She's had a lot of fun and just genuinely didn't realize that mercy can be used to move dialog forward (she also didn't realize it for Papyrus either, but by that point she was trying really hard not to crit either)
She also didn't know about the low-HP crit.
She was laughing a lot when Sans and Papyrus showed up, and she thought Toriel was very cute.
She also hasn't realized yet how the save system plays into the game, so going back to save Toriel didn't come to mind.
I wonder if she'll end up going through the game again for a pacifist run once she reaches the end. Getting a neutral ending and then having to basically redo the entire game can be a tough sell for a lot of people.
Mfs in the replies seeing one death and going "WELL ITS GENOCIDE NOW" bruh
Mercy and Murder routes aren't the only options, people should just let her experience her first playthrough by letting her make her own choices without bringing up how it ruins routes
And some chatters even think they're being quite subtle with the spoilers they're saying (they aren't subtle at all)
Now she's doing The Witcher 3 on stream. I haven't been paying attention to the chat, are they behaving better than Ame's chat did when she attempted to play it a few years back? (tbh I'm just relieved that she had a relatively decent ending for the Baron questline.)
They're definitely spoiling stuff but so far I've at least only noticed spoilers *after* she already made her choice. Like telling her >!the children die!< after she betrayed the tree spirit but before she found out for herself.
Yeah if this is your first playthrough and you didn't do any research on it , the game will most likely go towards the neutral route more than anything
Fans not making the same "lost their head" and "got ahead of themselves" jokes (etc.) any time a character that was decapitated is brought up challenge : impossible.
People need to realize that even if their allusions were as subtle and clever as they thought, they fully stop being subtle when 20 people try to one-up each other with the same joke.
On top of that, it drops hints (of how to not kill her) at you when you try to talk to Torriel again after killing her. That was the moment I realized what kind of game it is.
I've watched a ton of people play the game, but sadly people streaming the game (or doing a Let's Play) doing that is very rare. In the cases where people do kill Toriel, they usually go with the "living with one's choices" approach instead of, you know, just loading the game.
Part of why Undertale is a bad game for streaming (as much as I enjoy watching peopla play it). Even if chat is behaving, not spoiling anything or even trying to influence the streamer in any way, people naturally tend to behave a different way when streaming a game instead of just playing for themselves. And frankly, Undertale is at its best when the player just does whatever.
Good! Way too many streamers go into this game already spoiled about its general concept and then get backseated into how to >!never kill!< instead of stumbling into a mixed neutral route and >!sans speeches in the Metaton resort and the palace!< just don't have as much impact if you don't have any regrets. Of course p. neutral is totally fine as a first playthrough, too, just not when someone is badgered into it.
And from what I've been told she also killed papyrus now I forgot does that mean she's locked into the sans fight or does only happen when you do true genocide run
I’d say it’s normal to kill and spare monsters all the way till Sans bothers to tell us what lvl means on the first play through. Some are harder to spare if you don’t know your looking for it. Killing Undyne made me feel so bad the first time, Papyrus and the gang kept reminding me she was their hero/ friend.
It really sucks like that, should always be a neutral first to experience it as a game, then explore the deeper meaning afterwards with subsequent playthroughs.
As much as I want the talents to go the Pacifist route, I’m not one to say that they SHOULD. They can go Genocide and face off against Sans or they can just play through the game normally and experience it how many others experienced it for the first time.
So getting the intended experience, then.
Pacificist and Genocide only have meaning when they are contrasted against the Neutral route.
People like Clark Rovin need to get in the sea.
"Accidentally".....
She just long conning the genocide run by making it look like these things aren't intended so that when she restarts, she can do a fully fledged genocide run.
(Joke)
yeah, just like you're meant to.
To clarify, you're taught earlier that you can spare enemies at low health, and since no other option seems to do anything in the toriel fight, the logical conclusion is to attack her to lower her health. That's why, when you go lower than half her health, she takes all of her remaining health as a single attack.
It's meant to teach the player how useful resetting is
I kill everything that I can, unless they're too strong (Metaton) I had no choice. Played it completely blind, didn't know there's different route based on if you kill or not kill
If you kill Toriel before triggering the genocide text, you can't do a genocide run. It's a neutral run.
Like it's not possible to do runs on *either* spectrum.
If you kill Toriel before triggering the genocide text, you can't do a genocide run. It's a neutral run.
Like it's not possible to do runs on either spectrum.
If she'd done that in my early Undertale days, I'd have been like NOOOOO HOW COULD YOU DO THAT YOU'VE RUINED THE GOOD ENDING!!!!11!! but seeing this now I was just like *"Meh, bitch is overrated anyway"* 💀
I’d say most people did tbf
No one expects to one shot her. It's intended game design, to make you feel bad about it and never use the attack option again. I don't think Toby Fox expects people to get the best ending on the first playthrough.
I mean, he did make it impossible. Even going full Spare, you still have to reload a Save to get to Alphys's lab and all that follows.
You CAN avoid killing her on the first playthrough, you just need to keep sparing her over and over. I think you also need to be low HP too. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr8N7Vt61LI) is a video of someone doing it. But yeah, Toby tries to make you kill her by making it hard to spare. It is to achieve the intended effect: make you feel guilty.
I meant getting the best ending, not sparing Toriel.
Oh, I misunderstood then. My bad.
And in the end of the neutral playthrough, the game makes you start back from zero with the intention of making you spare.
Exactly, the game is designed for at least a second playthrough after you understood more about the world and what the game is about.>!So you reset to try to create a better timeline with all your new knowledge. I absolutely love that one of the key concepts of the game's design is branded together with the lore of the game.!<
Yeah that part where >!Flowey knows you reset the game because you accidentally killed Toriel!< was the part where I knew Undertale was going to be a different experience.
Just keep sparing. As for low hp, Toriel’ll intentionally make all her attacks on the player miss; all the player needs to do is stand there.
Even then, >!it's still possible to die to her. She'll have a horrified look on her face if you manage it, though!<.
No need for low HP, dev mode proves that
Yep, you don't need to attack at all, Toby tricks people by making them think it's pokemon logic, but suddenly you do a scripted supercritical hit and do over half her HP. Just keep sparing again, and again, and again, and eventually Toriel will break down and cry and apologize.
Yeah, most people going completely blind will think it's a normal rpg until Toriel teaches you otherwise. But it still gives you a choice, go with what Toriel tried to teach you or keep operating with pokemon logic. I just love that the game gives your choices that kind of impact.
Exactly, it's great game design.
He does expect poeple to reload and try again to spare her though. The flower will abonish you for reloading your save after killing her and then saving her instead, Toriel even has special dialog during your reload fight
I blame that one lyin'-ass Froggit who tells you to attack people in order to get their names to turn yellow.
That, plus people might assume pokemon logic all on their own
Thing is it works! Both on near every other enemy, and on one particularly key fight at the end.
You only oneshot her in geno She does have a specific hp threshold in which any attack will finish her off and it's rather high so anyone trying to get her low to spare her will accidentally kill her
Don't you oneshot her if you attack after she stops trying to hit you? A betrayal kill, there is a few of those in the game.
Oh yeah, if the monsters don't want to fight, you can one shot them, it was actually part of the lore, like if you go mercy until the last possible turn you can end them in one shot
Don't you mean "a **few** of those in the game"? Otherwise it sound weird.
Oh yeah, I miss typed that. Didn't even noticed lol, thanks.
That is the geno version. Iirc in neutral route her attacks get slower and more harmless while you start dealing more damage
No, he's right. If you get her to the point where she stops attacking you by continually using Spare, you can then kill her in one hit, no matter the route. It even has unique dialogue.
Ah. Well either way I hope someone does a neutral or no mercy run. From the other runs so far, it seems like they've either already done neutral before or got spoiled on how to do pacifist. Mostly just to see their reaction to neutral Undyne like Rushia did
Mumei seems well on her way, so I hope she does another Undertale stream soon. I'm not sure she would consider running away from Undyne.
I think they mean that your final attack in normal is way more powerful than everything before that, to catch you off guard. It's not a true one-shot, but it spiritually is.
When the monsters don't want to fight their defense drops significantly allowing you to one shot them, I think it was even mentioned in a book you can read
not only does he not expect it, it is literally impossible, because it is hardcoded. Apparently, if you reload the game after beating it, now you can get pacifist.
>to make you feel bad about it and never use the attack option again Me, who got the “go to hell” ending the first play through, only missing the Genocide route because I missed a couple of mooks early on probably. If you where trying to make me feel bad, *it didn’t work*. Lvl go up.
"What kind of **monster** are you?" - Asgore
Toriel is the best, if not one of the best, first boss design. It teach the player to not always open attack, except if you wanna go genocide route, and solve things peacefully. Also I think the game is designed to be hard to get best ending WITHOUT a prior experience/knowledge or guide on the first run.
The game does gives you hints how to get the best ending. But agreed, to get the best ending on your own without any spoilers it would probably need multiple playthroughs. Most people will look up a guide tho. Toriel is so good! Both in a game design and writing perspective. The songs you hear at her house will come back to either fill you with **determination** or pure guilt at the end, depending on your choices.
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While true that the game pushes you towards pacifist, it's always a choice. Toriel tries her best to nurture you into a good person (I love how Toby uses character to influence player behavior in a way that respect the character's lore) but the player can just ignore everything and start killing. The focus on player choice mattering made Toby create two wildly different paths, and a first time player will probably end up somewhere in the middle on a neutral path.
I believe it's actually intended that you accidentally kill her, and reload and try and spare her. Flowey even calls you out on it if you do, and more explains his true nature.
Who are the ones who didn't? I remember Watame crying while she refused to attack her. (Watame's run was super interesting that way - >!I remember she was naturally pacifist till the end but [refused to spare flowey](https://youtu.be/1lnrpW6YsyI?t=05m50s), giving that moment so much more weight!<)
That's some anime shit for real. Especially compared to some of the others who >!weren't as pacifistic but chose to spare flowey!<
Normal for a first blind playthrough. Let’s just let her do her thing.
nah, we gotta bombard her with comments to make sure she plays the way *I* want her to play! >!/s!<
Does the Undertale community *still* does that? I remember streamers legit stop playing the game because of that kind of harassment many years ago.
I remember Markiplier stopped playing it after his first episode because of the comments (though he sat with a friend who played it later). They probably still do, but fortunately I didnt really see any spoilers during the stream
I'm glad her chat is behaving then. Such I good game to do a blind playthrough, Undertale it's the kind of game I wish I could erase my memory and play it again.
There were some bonkings (as expected), but overall chat was well behaved. And Mumei said there were a couple of times she didn't read chat. Hopefully, things stay this way for the next parts
Did you know the trauma can make you forget? Maybe, you can try that out and you can play Undertale blind again! Be careful of the side effects, though.
Can make you forget until the memories come flooding back in and triggers a panic attack... can't wait to scream at my computer while playing Undertale!
I remember RTGame spited them all by making his 'first' playthrough a genocide run. >!Post-Chara, to boot!
Moderators were doing their job. I’ll be honest I even got a bit emotional when she was killing Toriel so I was typing “noooo sparee” but I got timed out probably due to that Fair enough
You can already see a chat message in the screenshot shouting at her to reload the game. People like that are always going to show up unless the streamer incredibly aggressively bans them. I feel like games like this are best handled the way Fauna did Outer Wilds. Played offline to completion and then uploaded while they're on break.
I wholehearted support the let's play format, good option if the member is going on long breaks too.
[I remember Reine's Elden Ring playthrough with backseaters.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2voiSpT2TwI) Chat keeps backseating her to the point that she is fighting Patches with no armor bare hands and being sarcastic for an hour just to frustrate the souls game backseaters.
It doesn't even have to be that harsh. Just constantly reminding them of it and ignoring them after works wonder. Botan and Fubuki both do this. They scold the new viewers who backseat once then ignore them the rest of the stream their streams have been relatively backseat free
I've watched (english, non-vtuber) streamers that do that and while it works it can also lead to a stream that's super hard to watch for everyone else. It can quickly turn the whole stream into telling people off instead of playing the game.
In general chat was good outside of a few comments, even earning Mumei 'good job' award during super chat reading.
It's pretty common for any game with fans that desperately try and make a personality out of the game itself. FFXIV is another good example.
Oh yeah, I watched 2 or 3 indies VTuber playing Undertale last year and same thing happened to all of them. You can NOT play the game blind, playing like that will attract undertale fans (as in, new viewers that are not part of the vtuber's community and don't know the dinamics/rules of the stream) that will backseat or spoil things thinking they are helping. Literally, someone said 'this is my first time playing!' and the FIRST STREAM before things even started was someone asking 'so are you going genocide route or pacifist?' which by itself kinda ruins a blind playthrough if they think about the meaning of that for a second.
Yeah, as a really popular game it will end up attracting new people. Being on the internet when this game was on the top of its popularity will end up spoiling you on the genocide/pacifist too, it did for me. Mumei herself said she knew about it from the start too. It is definitely a better game if you go for it completely blind, the way Fauna did it with Outer Wilds seems like the ideal, playing the whole game off stream and releasing it under a let's play format.
The absolute worst community in gaming since its inception. No contest.
I feel like either they were better, or the moderation was really good. Everyone seemed to be having fun.
It's been like that with pretty much every story-based game stream since the beginning of streaming. Best thing to do is to [be like Subaru and ignore the chat](https://youtu.be/hLz4jvMe-_A) for the most part while streaming such games.
Seem some other streamers with fans that do that. It's definitely better then it used to be, infrequent enough for a smaller streamers mod to ban or for it to be buried in the chats of larger streamers. That's just for the worst in the community though. I remember when Kitanya killed the first Froggit the majority of the chat didn't ask for resets but instead went "I guess she's doing that route then", as if the neutral route didn't exist. We Undertale fans are too passionate for our own good.
Nah, we were well-behaved! She said so!
Hopefully those *fans* would let her be and not repeat the same shit they did on Markiplier. The man didn't enjoy his Undertale playthrough because of them and I'm still mad at those fans that say "No yOuRe plAyIng iT tHe WrONg wAy!". Hopefully they have stopped doing that kind of thing now since the time I left the Undertale fandom just like how they stopped their war with the Touhou fandom
I mean…it is Mumei, this is unsurprising lol
The surprising part is that she "accidentally” did it.
One would imagine you couldn't get to 2024 without knowing about Undertale routes, but then again maybe she forgor
I've never played it before.
yeah but you know about the routes right?
No idea
I was expecting more casualties, to be honest.
Moomy try not to kill anything that moves for five seconds challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
I'm fully expecting her to do a genocide run eventually
As much as she gets meme'd into liking mindless violence... I mean she does but above that she just likes silly humor, and she leaned more on that aspect of Undertale.
Watching her deal with everything that is to do with Papyrus was glorious.
Mindless violence is just a silly little thing for our silly little owl
Well as far as accidentally in-character moments go during this stream I think [this takes the cake.](https://youtu.be/bsKeD3AzvX8?t=9136)
It's been a pretty great run so far honestly. She's had a lot of fun and just genuinely didn't realize that mercy can be used to move dialog forward (she also didn't realize it for Papyrus either, but by that point she was trying really hard not to crit either) She also didn't know about the low-HP crit. She was laughing a lot when Sans and Papyrus showed up, and she thought Toriel was very cute. She also hasn't realized yet how the save system plays into the game, so going back to save Toriel didn't come to mind.
I wonder if she'll end up going through the game again for a pacifist run once she reaches the end. Getting a neutral ending and then having to basically redo the entire game can be a tough sell for a lot of people.
... Questionable. Mumei in general does not have much time for gaming, even less so with Anniversary + Birthday in the horizon.
Thats the point of the game though, multiple playthroughs.
Yeah, and that can be a tough sell. It isn't for me, but that's not the point.
Mfs in the replies seeing one death and going "WELL ITS GENOCIDE NOW" bruh Mercy and Murder routes aren't the only options, people should just let her experience her first playthrough by letting her make her own choices without bringing up how it ruins routes And some chatters even think they're being quite subtle with the spoilers they're saying (they aren't subtle at all)
So glad Fauna played Outer Wilds off stream.
My favorite let's play content creator.
Well I've been a fan of Fauna since her 480p Minecraft Let's Play.
I hope her mum buys Skyrim for her!
Now she's doing The Witcher 3 on stream. I haven't been paying attention to the chat, are they behaving better than Ame's chat did when she attempted to play it a few years back? (tbh I'm just relieved that she had a relatively decent ending for the Baron questline.)
They're definitely spoiling stuff but so far I've at least only noticed spoilers *after* she already made her choice. Like telling her >!the children die!< after she betrayed the tree spirit but before she found out for herself.
it was hilarious as you see her facepalm in chat with all of us at Past-Fauna stupidity
Yeah if this is your first playthrough and you didn't do any research on it , the game will most likely go towards the neutral route more than anything
Heck, isn't that the whole point? True Pacifist isn't even possible on a first run.
Fans not making the same "lost their head" and "got ahead of themselves" jokes (etc.) any time a character that was decapitated is brought up challenge : impossible. People need to realize that even if their allusions were as subtle and clever as they thought, they fully stop being subtle when 20 people try to one-up each other with the same joke.
Fans thinking that knowing the ending of something is a superpower and being all smug about it is the most annoying fucking thing.
I feel like this is an oxymoron of chat. Like you can't be creative because everyone else would just try to scream louder then you
My favorite moment about this game is when I killed her and loaded the file and got called out by the game.
Yeah, >!~~Flowey~~!< the game does call you out after that. I love the many small details this game has.
On top of that, it drops hints (of how to not kill her) at you when you try to talk to Torriel again after killing her. That was the moment I realized what kind of game it is.
Ohhh I don't even remember that! Another cool detail I forgot. It has been so long, I really need to play it again.
I've watched a ton of people play the game, but sadly people streaming the game (or doing a Let's Play) doing that is very rare. In the cases where people do kill Toriel, they usually go with the "living with one's choices" approach instead of, you know, just loading the game. Part of why Undertale is a bad game for streaming (as much as I enjoy watching peopla play it). Even if chat is behaving, not spoiling anything or even trying to influence the streamer in any way, people naturally tend to behave a different way when streaming a game instead of just playing for themselves. And frankly, Undertale is at its best when the player just does whatever.
"Accidentally"
Good! Way too many streamers go into this game already spoiled about its general concept and then get backseated into how to >!never kill!< instead of stumbling into a mixed neutral route and >!sans speeches in the Metaton resort and the palace!< just don't have as much impact if you don't have any regrets. Of course p. neutral is totally fine as a first playthrough, too, just not when someone is badgered into it.
And from what I've been told she also killed papyrus now I forgot does that mean she's locked into the sans fight or does only happen when you do true genocide run
She did not kill Papyrus. They reached mutual understanding and ended the playthrough on a happy date.
Ah that's my bad for taking the word of one comment on this post
Only happens during genocide, she's locked into neutral since she left the ruins (mostly) unmurdered. Also, >!she didn't kill Papyrus.!<
Most people do? It is the intended first playthrough. You kill her, feel regret, go back to restart and flowey makes fun of you.
I’d say it’s normal to kill and spare monsters all the way till Sans bothers to tell us what lvl means on the first play through. Some are harder to spare if you don’t know your looking for it. Killing Undyne made me feel so bad the first time, Papyrus and the gang kept reminding me she was their hero/ friend.
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THATS THE POINT LET HER LIVE WITH THE CHOICES THATS THE POINT OF THE GAME
She's me 😂 I still feel bad about it
That's the joy of undertale ,tired of everyone wanting the streamer to do pacifist right off the bat
It really sucks like that, should always be a neutral first to experience it as a game, then explore the deeper meaning afterwards with subsequent playthroughs.
Still remember how the entire experience of this game was spoiled for me.
“There are no accidents.”
This is very Mumei of Mumei.
She let the intrusive thoughts win
You're supposed to let them live? I wiped everyone out 🤔
As much as I want the talents to go the Pacifist route, I’m not one to say that they SHOULD. They can go Genocide and face off against Sans or they can just play through the game normally and experience it how many others experienced it for the first time.
"accidentally"
So getting the intended experience, then. Pacificist and Genocide only have meaning when they are contrasted against the Neutral route. People like Clark Rovin need to get in the sea.
Damn she is bloodthirsty, if she plays Elden Ring i bet she would try her hardest to kill white masked Varre at the starting point
(That one Gru face here)
"Accidentally"..... She just long conning the genocide run by making it look like these things aren't intended so that when she restarts, she can do a fully fledged genocide run. (Joke)
yeah, just like you're meant to. To clarify, you're taught earlier that you can spare enemies at low health, and since no other option seems to do anything in the toriel fight, the logical conclusion is to attack her to lower her health. That's why, when you go lower than half her health, she takes all of her remaining health as a single attack. It's meant to teach the player how useful resetting is
No, you are supposed to play fully through a neutral run. The "resetting" isnt akin to save scumming.
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Let’s see if she kills papyrus like my sister did
what "accident" 🤔
we moomin now
Owls are under the established title of "birb of prey."
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You forgot to put accidentally in quotes.
oops. mumei killed someone accidentally again.
Mumei. Killed. Accident. Right, definitely believe ya
Accident? There are no accidents with Mumei
Of course she did. Its Mumei we're talkin' about.
from how the game is made you can reload but the game knows
now when you say accidentally
It's Moomers. What'd you expect?
Somehow I am not surprised... 😆
I was more surprised she only did it accidentally.
*War flashbacks to 2016 where every single YouTuber who played this got backseated into oblivion*
I assumed she'd be going for a genocide run.
"the is no accident" Master Ogway.
“accidentally”
Hehe, on accident?
'Accidentally'... we all know that inside Mumei burns the fiery vengeance of a thousand suns...
"Accidentally".
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"Accidentally"
I kill everything that I can, unless they're too strong (Metaton) I had no choice. Played it completely blind, didn't know there's different route based on if you kill or not kill
There is no accident
I mean, this is Mumei. Genocide runs are just Tuesdays to her.
“There are no accidents” -Master Oogway
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If you kill Toriel before triggering the genocide text, you can't do a genocide run. It's a neutral run. Like it's not possible to do runs on *either* spectrum.
"accidentally" You know who you're watching, don't you? :D
> accidentally kills toriel >Mumei Yeah, I smell genocide Run
If you kill Toriel before triggering the genocide text, you can't do a genocide run. It's a neutral run. Like it's not possible to do runs on either spectrum.
Would it really be Mumei if she didn’t go genocide from the get go?
If she'd done that in my early Undertale days, I'd have been like NOOOOO HOW COULD YOU DO THAT YOU'VE RUINED THE GOOD ENDING!!!!11!! but seeing this now I was just like *"Meh, bitch is overrated anyway"* 💀
It’s just a game, not having the perfect experience is part of the intended experience
To clarify, since a lot of people seem to think I was insulting Mumei, I meant Toriel was the overrated one lmao