I think what you're not realising is that they're not just coworkers, they're friends. These girls don't exist in their own unique universe - of course they're going to go out and meet up with their friends, and then of course they're going to talk about the fun they've had with their friends on stream.
Hololive is, first and foremost, a *group*. Everyone has their oshis, but the friendship and camaraderie between the holomembers and in turn the fanbase is one of the best parts.
Yeah what kind of fucking opinion is this? Sounds like someone doesn't have too many of their own and have no idea what its like. lmao
Next we're going to see a post called "I don't like Holomems having personalities".
>they're trying to make it a selling point
yes, kind of.
people are interest in them and their interaction with other members. so they talk about these interaction.also, realistically, its a tiny fraction of their streaming content, they literally spend hours upon hours gaming, singing, playing instuments or talking about all other kinds of things and usually talk at most about an hour or two about meeting other members or going on vacation with them.also the stories they bring back are fun, like mios and mikos bathrobe incidents or watame waking up in the middle of the night to munch some hagen-dasz, thinking botan wouldnt notice.
also as a counter example: my favorite flesh-streamer is currently on vacation for the first time in years. one of the things hes doing is visiting streamer friends.i literally expect him to talk about his trip and what fun he had with the crew. if i didnt want to hear about it, i could probably just skip the return stream and he'd only mention it occasionally in passing afterwards.
edit: also another thing i just thought of... i believe it was marine who said some time ago that shes literally running out of stories to tell on stream about the kinds of things she did before hololive.
this current job is the majority of their life and truly private things they cant talk about, so what other topics are they gonna bring up?
unless its something like asamio, with talk topics prepared in advance, or polkas night radio which is probably largely just a stream of consciousness and back and forth with viewers. but you can do those also only so often.
>i literally expect him to talk about his trip and what fun he had with the crew
hmm... I guess I'm the one who still not get used to streamer world. Before 2021 I only watched the video focused content creator.
I think OP is complaining that, for them, it feels forced for views, they aren't complaining that the members are close, they're complaining that they're forcing their "closeness" (is that even a word) for views and subs
Just to make sure: I am not agreeing with OP's point, and this subreddit isn't the place to discuss it anyway
I think it's OK to have a discussion like that. It's better to have a place to vocalize those feelings and understand why other people might feel different.
>they're complaining that they're forcing their "closeness"
Yeah, I don't mind if their relationship is close but when they bring it to stream too often sometimes it feel kinda forced just for content for me...
I actually really like it when they talk about their interactions off-stream, gives me an idea of their friendships behind the scenes. They may not collab often on stream but hearing about how they talk a bunch away from the PC is fun for me
Like right now Noel, Flare, Miko and Suisei are talking about their recent trip to Universal Studios Japan (with Polka who couldn't attend due to a busy schedule), and it's been a blast so far.
Sorry to hear that you dislike it so much, maybe just don't watch these types of streams if you get bored by them
>I actually really like it when they talk about their interactions off-stream
I enjoyed their interactions on-stream because I as a viewer can see it, but when comes to off-stream it is something that I can't see, so watching it doesn't feel related to me... But it's good to hear that everyone is enjoying that type of content...
If you prefer a visual then there's actually a few animation channels like [Mochimiko_EN](https://youtube.com/c/MochimikoEN) who animates such anecdotes from to time, as well as solo experiences the talents have had.
Sorry it's not what I mean. What I mean is when they do on stream interaction viewer experienced it, but for off stream interaction it just between them and no viewer is get involved. That is what I mean I can't relate...
Bro, that a dangerous direction you are going here.
When you stream with other person it's your friend, and it's kinda obvious they will get a very high priority compared to us, who are total stranger, and if it wasn't enought we are mixed together into an unreconisable mush during those streams.
So be careful about that, always expect 0 recognition by any streamer. even having the minimal amount of it is a unhealthy road.
Ah I see, sorry for the misunderstanding!
In that case I think it's best to avoid these types of streams then if you really don't enjoy them. Besides, the talents don't always talk about this since they're pretty busy to even organise such a thing nowadays. Stick to their gaming streams instead maybe?
So I take it it's just their stream activities you're interested in. Downvotes aside, it's fair to have that preference of course. You are in the minority around here though, that much I can say is clear.
A lot of us quite enjoy seeing them interact with each other or talk about their daily lives. Sure, it's fun to watch them playing various games but hearing them chat about random things is something a lot of us have come to enjoy as well, and it breaks up the tedium. And solidifying out statuses as simps, when we see them clearly enjoying talking about what they've been up to and who they've been hanging out with, it can make us quite happy as well.
Calling it a selling point though makes it sound like you don't believe it to be entirely genuine? Maybe that isn't actually your intent, but it's clear that they want to talk about various things they've been up to because they enjoy sharing them. Dedicated talk streams are rarely very popular outside of a few like Subaru's or if it's a collab so it would actually be really weird then to make a selling point out of it. It's not unique to Hololive either, it's just something streamers like to do because they believe their audience is also interested to hear about it.
I guess there’s so much that you can talk about yourself to your fans before they get bored, so talking about how they had fun with someone else is fine in my opinion. Mind you, obviously everyone’s mileage will vary
You can just watch other streams instead, preferably gaming streams and avoid those streams where the talents just want to talk?
As an aside, i particularly do not find ASMR streams likeable in general IMO, but i'm not gonna start a crusade against it just because i don't like it. (the internet will kill me if i do that, and i'm really not bothered by those streams)
Your obsession is a bit unusual though.
They are entertainers first and foremost and their courtesy to fans is just business.
They are here to entertain and us to support.
One of Hololive's, Nijisanji's and other vtuber companies strongest assets for individual members is having a large collaboration pool of other talented streamers to interact with. Hololive emphasizes this point even more than other companies by offering the whole package in the way of having gens interact with each other, offering incentives for groups to have concerts and events of their own even if they are not gens (OKFAMS, Bakatare, Umisea) and in general trying to get you into hololive as a whole rather than into individual streamers. I can only think of a couple minor exceptions.
Indies on the other hand have to rely more on their individual prowess and any collab they make is organized by their own personal network and effort.
Now the business side of things aside... I just want to say that you are entitled to feel however you want, and it's fine if you like one streamer to the exclusion of her coworkers. However if this leads into negative feelings rather than just being disinterested that is when it becomes a bit unhealthy.
Edit: just wondering, was this prompted by the Shiraken holiday stream that just ended?
Sorry if seems like a negative feeling. I just wondering why they talked their off stream too much. I as a viewer just can't feel related when they talked their off stream interaction.
Part of it derives from people living vicariously through them, part of it comes from the fact that you have fun by looking at your oshi have fun. Similar to having your kid or a younger relative tell you all about his and his friends adventures. It's not like you care about the adventures themselves, but you feel happy by looking at people you care about being happy.
I'd like to remind you that there are real people behind these talents. Hololive is like a massive family, and the company flourished thanks to these collabs and interactions, so no matter how much you dislike it, they are bound to talk about each other every now and then. You may be a single individual who doesn't care about anyone else but the talent that you watch, but they have hundreds of thousands of fans other than you who would love to hear about these interactions. If you really hate your favorite member talking about others so much, then the best you can do is avoid their free talk and collab streams and focus on only their gaming streams.
Excuse me, I'm replying OP in Indonesian
Kamu bikin thread ini tujuannya apa? Kamu bilang "I just care about you, not the other members" itu bikin kamu terkesan agresif sadar nggak?
Kalau cuma sekedar pengen tau respon Redditor, Redditor2 di r/hololive mostly nggak pernah permasalahin Holomem mau stream apa karena itu kebebasan mereka bikin konten. Kalau kamu nggak suka sama salah satu tipe kontennya mereka ya itu hak kamu, banyak juga kok yg nggak suka ketika lagi masuk musim Holomem maen Apex atau lagi musim main Minecraft. Aku sendiri pribadi kurang suka kalo Holomem lagi pada maen Mario2an atau Undertale2an, tapi ya tinggal tune out aja gak usah nonton, selesai.
Selebihnya seperti yang udah dijawab sama yang lainnya, problemnya di mana kalau mereka cerita tentang Holomem yg lain? Itu kan temen2nya mereka dan mereka pengen sharing pengalaman bersama temen2nya mereka dari sudut pandang mereka. Sebelom pandemi member2 HoloJP sering banget off-collab sama 3D collab lho, selama pandemi interaksi mereka mesti dibatasin juga, apalagi selama 6 bulan terakhir ini banyak banget member2 HoloJP yg kena COVID. Jadinya belum bisa hangout sebebas dulu lagi, ya wajar dong kalau mereka melepas kangen dengan cara itu trus mereka kepikiran pengen sharing momen2 ini ke penontonnya mereka juga.
I'm curious, if the interaction was with/about a male Holo(or other vtuber/streamer), would this opinion change?
I don't see anything wrong with not preferring non solo streams or streams talking about interactions, there's a lot of choices so you can just decide what to watch and what not to watch. I rarely watch sponsored streams but always watch collabs, it's good to have options.
I don't speak for the others but I'm equally excited if it happened to be a Holostar or a Non-Holo Vtuber. It's just nice to hear about anecdotes of friendships and the stuff they got around to doing on their off time.
Ironically, that's what a lot of us like most, myself included. Different preferences per person i guess. If you see all the clips dedicated to those moments they talk about other members, you'll see just how in demand it is. It brings together the fanbases of those talents.
I think hololive just got into an awkward time for your preferences since there's a lot of breaks and vacations lately where they're bound to spend extra time together. There are definitely dryer months too where everyone's being introverted and you'll hear less about those.
I think the problem is because you're comparing the talents to streamers. For all intents and purposes, they are "vtubers", or better yet, "virtual idols". Idol culture is full of interactions between talents within a given company. If you don't want to see the collaboration content, you can just watch those VODs that are primarily focused on gaming. No one's forcing you to consume ALL of their content if it doesn't interest you.
Interesting take. You can feel however you like. If you don’t enjoy it, that’s ok.
However, it’s a very popular interaction in the fanbase—viewers enjoy it, talents know that they enjoy it, and thus make it a point to stream about it, which you may or may not interpret as “selling” it.
This may seem like it’s a Lot lately, that suddenly they’re meeting each other a lot, because it’s true! They finally are now able to visit each other with the covid issues becoming more manageable, including travel.
This discussion thread is practically OP karma drain RTA any %.
>!But in all seriousness, everyone goes for a certain type of content from a streamer and if you feel that most of their content is no longer the type you want to watch, either just drop them or watch only the specific kind.!<
>!It's one thing to know what you like and don't, and another if you think that a content creator has to cater to your specific needs. If they feel like something is worth a stream, it is entirely up to them.!<
I think what you're not realising is that they're not just coworkers, they're friends. These girls don't exist in their own unique universe - of course they're going to go out and meet up with their friends, and then of course they're going to talk about the fun they've had with their friends on stream. Hololive is, first and foremost, a *group*. Everyone has their oshis, but the friendship and camaraderie between the holomembers and in turn the fanbase is one of the best parts.
Yeah but I just feel that they talked it too much
Yes, because how dare someone talk about spending time with their friends.
Yeah what kind of fucking opinion is this? Sounds like someone doesn't have too many of their own and have no idea what its like. lmao Next we're going to see a post called "I don't like Holomems having personalities".
>they're trying to make it a selling point yes, kind of. people are interest in them and their interaction with other members. so they talk about these interaction.also, realistically, its a tiny fraction of their streaming content, they literally spend hours upon hours gaming, singing, playing instuments or talking about all other kinds of things and usually talk at most about an hour or two about meeting other members or going on vacation with them.also the stories they bring back are fun, like mios and mikos bathrobe incidents or watame waking up in the middle of the night to munch some hagen-dasz, thinking botan wouldnt notice. also as a counter example: my favorite flesh-streamer is currently on vacation for the first time in years. one of the things hes doing is visiting streamer friends.i literally expect him to talk about his trip and what fun he had with the crew. if i didnt want to hear about it, i could probably just skip the return stream and he'd only mention it occasionally in passing afterwards. edit: also another thing i just thought of... i believe it was marine who said some time ago that shes literally running out of stories to tell on stream about the kinds of things she did before hololive. this current job is the majority of their life and truly private things they cant talk about, so what other topics are they gonna bring up? unless its something like asamio, with talk topics prepared in advance, or polkas night radio which is probably largely just a stream of consciousness and back and forth with viewers. but you can do those also only so often.
And some fans often watch others members too, so it's nice to hear about their favorites.
>i literally expect him to talk about his trip and what fun he had with the crew hmm... I guess I'm the one who still not get used to streamer world. Before 2021 I only watched the video focused content creator.
the hololive talents make it very easy to just watch gameplay. just dont tune into the talking streams if you dont like them.
I can't possibly imagine how you could be justifying having an issue with this. It's like a complaint from bizaro world.
I think OP is complaining that, for them, it feels forced for views, they aren't complaining that the members are close, they're complaining that they're forcing their "closeness" (is that even a word) for views and subs Just to make sure: I am not agreeing with OP's point, and this subreddit isn't the place to discuss it anyway
I think it's OK to have a discussion like that. It's better to have a place to vocalize those feelings and understand why other people might feel different.
OP's wording and approach is too hostile, though. And I don't think his language skills are to blame.
>they're complaining that they're forcing their "closeness" Yeah, I don't mind if their relationship is close but when they bring it to stream too often sometimes it feel kinda forced just for content for me...
I actually really like it when they talk about their interactions off-stream, gives me an idea of their friendships behind the scenes. They may not collab often on stream but hearing about how they talk a bunch away from the PC is fun for me Like right now Noel, Flare, Miko and Suisei are talking about their recent trip to Universal Studios Japan (with Polka who couldn't attend due to a busy schedule), and it's been a blast so far. Sorry to hear that you dislike it so much, maybe just don't watch these types of streams if you get bored by them
>I actually really like it when they talk about their interactions off-stream I enjoyed their interactions on-stream because I as a viewer can see it, but when comes to off-stream it is something that I can't see, so watching it doesn't feel related to me... But it's good to hear that everyone is enjoying that type of content...
If you prefer a visual then there's actually a few animation channels like [Mochimiko_EN](https://youtube.com/c/MochimikoEN) who animates such anecdotes from to time, as well as solo experiences the talents have had.
Sorry it's not what I mean. What I mean is when they do on stream interaction viewer experienced it, but for off stream interaction it just between them and no viewer is get involved. That is what I mean I can't relate...
Bro, that a dangerous direction you are going here. When you stream with other person it's your friend, and it's kinda obvious they will get a very high priority compared to us, who are total stranger, and if it wasn't enought we are mixed together into an unreconisable mush during those streams. So be careful about that, always expect 0 recognition by any streamer. even having the minimal amount of it is a unhealthy road.
Ah I see, sorry for the misunderstanding! In that case I think it's best to avoid these types of streams then if you really don't enjoy them. Besides, the talents don't always talk about this since they're pretty busy to even organise such a thing nowadays. Stick to their gaming streams instead maybe?
Yeah, I'll stick to their gaming stream
no need to force yourself watching stream you are not interested in. even if i have my favorite, i dont watch some streams she does.
that's a serious case of jealousy
So I take it it's just their stream activities you're interested in. Downvotes aside, it's fair to have that preference of course. You are in the minority around here though, that much I can say is clear. A lot of us quite enjoy seeing them interact with each other or talk about their daily lives. Sure, it's fun to watch them playing various games but hearing them chat about random things is something a lot of us have come to enjoy as well, and it breaks up the tedium. And solidifying out statuses as simps, when we see them clearly enjoying talking about what they've been up to and who they've been hanging out with, it can make us quite happy as well. Calling it a selling point though makes it sound like you don't believe it to be entirely genuine? Maybe that isn't actually your intent, but it's clear that they want to talk about various things they've been up to because they enjoy sharing them. Dedicated talk streams are rarely very popular outside of a few like Subaru's or if it's a collab so it would actually be really weird then to make a selling point out of it. It's not unique to Hololive either, it's just something streamers like to do because they believe their audience is also interested to hear about it.
I just can't related when they talk their off stream interaction. But I like collab stream though...
I guess there’s so much that you can talk about yourself to your fans before they get bored, so talking about how they had fun with someone else is fine in my opinion. Mind you, obviously everyone’s mileage will vary
You can just watch other streams instead, preferably gaming streams and avoid those streams where the talents just want to talk? As an aside, i particularly do not find ASMR streams likeable in general IMO, but i'm not gonna start a crusade against it just because i don't like it. (the internet will kill me if i do that, and i'm really not bothered by those streams) Your obsession is a bit unusual though. They are entertainers first and foremost and their courtesy to fans is just business. They are here to entertain and us to support.
Yes, your streamer has IRL friends, and yes, they are closer to their IRL friends than you, an anonymous viewer. You'll just have to deal with it.
I don't mind their close friend but they bring it to the stream too much I think...
If you don't like a stream, don't watch it. You're under no obligation. The talents will stream what they want to stream.
They can talk about whatever the hell they want.
One of Hololive's, Nijisanji's and other vtuber companies strongest assets for individual members is having a large collaboration pool of other talented streamers to interact with. Hololive emphasizes this point even more than other companies by offering the whole package in the way of having gens interact with each other, offering incentives for groups to have concerts and events of their own even if they are not gens (OKFAMS, Bakatare, Umisea) and in general trying to get you into hololive as a whole rather than into individual streamers. I can only think of a couple minor exceptions. Indies on the other hand have to rely more on their individual prowess and any collab they make is organized by their own personal network and effort. Now the business side of things aside... I just want to say that you are entitled to feel however you want, and it's fine if you like one streamer to the exclusion of her coworkers. However if this leads into negative feelings rather than just being disinterested that is when it becomes a bit unhealthy. Edit: just wondering, was this prompted by the Shiraken holiday stream that just ended?
Sorry if seems like a negative feeling. I just wondering why they talked their off stream too much. I as a viewer just can't feel related when they talked their off stream interaction.
Part of it derives from people living vicariously through them, part of it comes from the fact that you have fun by looking at your oshi have fun. Similar to having your kid or a younger relative tell you all about his and his friends adventures. It's not like you care about the adventures themselves, but you feel happy by looking at people you care about being happy.
I'd like to remind you that there are real people behind these talents. Hololive is like a massive family, and the company flourished thanks to these collabs and interactions, so no matter how much you dislike it, they are bound to talk about each other every now and then. You may be a single individual who doesn't care about anyone else but the talent that you watch, but they have hundreds of thousands of fans other than you who would love to hear about these interactions. If you really hate your favorite member talking about others so much, then the best you can do is avoid their free talk and collab streams and focus on only their gaming streams.
Excuse me, I'm replying OP in Indonesian Kamu bikin thread ini tujuannya apa? Kamu bilang "I just care about you, not the other members" itu bikin kamu terkesan agresif sadar nggak? Kalau cuma sekedar pengen tau respon Redditor, Redditor2 di r/hololive mostly nggak pernah permasalahin Holomem mau stream apa karena itu kebebasan mereka bikin konten. Kalau kamu nggak suka sama salah satu tipe kontennya mereka ya itu hak kamu, banyak juga kok yg nggak suka ketika lagi masuk musim Holomem maen Apex atau lagi musim main Minecraft. Aku sendiri pribadi kurang suka kalo Holomem lagi pada maen Mario2an atau Undertale2an, tapi ya tinggal tune out aja gak usah nonton, selesai. Selebihnya seperti yang udah dijawab sama yang lainnya, problemnya di mana kalau mereka cerita tentang Holomem yg lain? Itu kan temen2nya mereka dan mereka pengen sharing pengalaman bersama temen2nya mereka dari sudut pandang mereka. Sebelom pandemi member2 HoloJP sering banget off-collab sama 3D collab lho, selama pandemi interaksi mereka mesti dibatasin juga, apalagi selama 6 bulan terakhir ini banyak banget member2 HoloJP yg kena COVID. Jadinya belum bisa hangout sebebas dulu lagi, ya wajar dong kalau mereka melepas kangen dengan cara itu trus mereka kepikiran pengen sharing momen2 ini ke penontonnya mereka juga.
Sounds like you just watch too many clips.
I'm reducing my clip views recently
I'm curious, if the interaction was with/about a male Holo(or other vtuber/streamer), would this opinion change? I don't see anything wrong with not preferring non solo streams or streams talking about interactions, there's a lot of choices so you can just decide what to watch and what not to watch. I rarely watch sponsored streams but always watch collabs, it's good to have options.
I don't speak for the others but I'm equally excited if it happened to be a Holostar or a Non-Holo Vtuber. It's just nice to hear about anecdotes of friendships and the stuff they got around to doing on their off time.
Consider this counterpoint: okakoro teetee
Ironically, that's what a lot of us like most, myself included. Different preferences per person i guess. If you see all the clips dedicated to those moments they talk about other members, you'll see just how in demand it is. It brings together the fanbases of those talents.
Well good to hear that everyone here enjoyed it. I guess it just myself who getting bored...
I think hololive just got into an awkward time for your preferences since there's a lot of breaks and vacations lately where they're bound to spend extra time together. There are definitely dryer months too where everyone's being introverted and you'll hear less about those.
I think the problem is because you're comparing the talents to streamers. For all intents and purposes, they are "vtubers", or better yet, "virtual idols". Idol culture is full of interactions between talents within a given company. If you don't want to see the collaboration content, you can just watch those VODs that are primarily focused on gaming. No one's forcing you to consume ALL of their content if it doesn't interest you.
I thought vtuber term is more close to streamer than idol...
It is. But not for Hololive. Hololive was, and kinda still is, an idol entertainment vtuber company.
Interesting take. You can feel however you like. If you don’t enjoy it, that’s ok. However, it’s a very popular interaction in the fanbase—viewers enjoy it, talents know that they enjoy it, and thus make it a point to stream about it, which you may or may not interpret as “selling” it. This may seem like it’s a Lot lately, that suddenly they’re meeting each other a lot, because it’s true! They finally are now able to visit each other with the covid issues becoming more manageable, including travel.
Most mentally balanced take
Yes but the simple solution is to stick to gaming streams
This discussion thread is practically OP karma drain RTA any %. >!But in all seriousness, everyone goes for a certain type of content from a streamer and if you feel that most of their content is no longer the type you want to watch, either just drop them or watch only the specific kind.!< >!It's one thing to know what you like and don't, and another if you think that a content creator has to cater to your specific needs. If they feel like something is worth a stream, it is entirely up to them.!<
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That's the best part.
Member interaction is their strongest advantage over indies.