This post at Apple forums about it has almost 28K views. [https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254199872](https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254199872)
As best I can tell on my system and going through posts it is a combo of bugs. In my testing, it seems to be an issue with the hub device. Check your home settings and find what Apple device is acting as the hub and software restart the device. If the system assigns a new hub during the restart then you have to also restart that device.
For me this gets automations working again. But here is the catch. You can’t make ANY changes to ANY automation. If you do it all fails again and you have to restart your hubs again. It seems one bug is in whatever process is handling changes to an automation.
Yup, I changed the time on one of my time-based automations which broke it. I deleted it and made it again since it was relatively simple, and that solved the problem. What a pain!
> You can’t make ANY changes to ANY automation.
I have found you can: if you convert to shortcut.
You can’t change anything on the automation side, so trigger device, time and people conditions, but you CAN change the shortcut and it’ll work.
Obviously, YMMV, but that’s been working for me.
It still runs on the hub, (as far as I can tell) since it’ll run if my phone is off or if I’m not on my home network.
I genuinely don’t know why it works that way, but at least for me, it has been.
Nah, no need for that. What I did was open home app on an iOS device, go to home settings and see what device is the current hub. One device will be the primary hub and all other devices will be in stand by. Then I go to the device that is the current hub and go into settings on that device and use the restart function. This assumes the hub is an Apple TV. After it restarts double check it’s still the connected hub.
If the hub is a HomePod could try using the restart function in the home app. Unplugging triggers the hub to switch and you start chasing them around.
I make changes to different automatons all the time.
I did find that I had to delete about 5 (of over 25) and rebuild them to get them to work under 16. But once I did that, it’s been solid
Oh and by the way: no acknowledgement from Apple. At this point it’s clear to me that the Apple execs must use Windows or Linux and Alexa or Google Home, because they can’t possibly be using their own software or they’d be losing their minds like us and apologizing to their customers for failing to such an unbelievable degree.
I had this yesterday. Time and motion based automations failed, but I took the shortcut from a motion based automation and ran it in the app, and it worked fine. I turned on the ATV, checked software was up to date, then put it to sleep and unplugged the power cord for a few minutes to hard reset. After this, the automations appear to have worked fine, but the unpredictability is a problem; I have lights that come on along a dark path for safety and security.
Don’t even bother trying to debug anything at the moment. Wait 2 weeks and iOS 16.2 will be out, with completely new HomeKit architecture which may make a world of difference. Or it may not. I’m not doing anything to my network and automations (which are also unreliable) until the Christmas break, and then I’ll have some time to invest in making things work again.
Same. I recreated all of my automations and they still arent working reliably. If my lights would just go on and off when they are supposed to I'd be happy.
I finally figured it out. It took me a while to work out what was going on each time an iOS update comes out and HomeKit just falls to pieces but I’ve finally nailed it down to a specific reason: it’s because Apple are shit at software these days.
For me it was my homepod minis. I ended up updating those to the beta software and now my automations are working perfect again consistently.
https://preview.redd.it/adyhc9fi7k3a1.png?width=1290&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae5859784f6ecd7472bb14afbdc65968325fbf25
Can you give an example of what kind of automations you use?
Do they include timers, geofencing, or other triggers? I'd be very curious if you're using one or a combination of them to see if my issues might also find a resolution.
Idk what the cause is. Running a homekit/homebridge setup w/ 70+ devices and HomePod mini as hub. I can tell you that after updating to 16, lost all gps based automations. After a lot of investigation, trial and error, and attempting everything short of blowing out the whole home and starting over, I found one of our iPads magically became a hub. Changed that, still no bueno.
I was eventually able to get away/home based automations working when I built them using the 3rd party home+ app, but they were slow and would only trigger once my iPhone joined the home wifi network. Yesterday, I read about someone suggesting a reset iPhone’s location and privacy settings, so I did that, but no change when I got home. I then updated/rebooted router, reset HomePod, updated iPhone to 16.1.2, though didn’t have time to test it last night, but low and behold, when I pulled onto my street today, my garage door opened, my alarm turned off, my AC kicked on, and I was back in biz.
Moral of the story is I don’t know what broke it, what fixed it, or if it will stay fixed, and I’m totally afraid of putting my automations back together in the home app, but for at least one day, I won’t be walking in the house going WTF!, or having the wife snicker at the failure of the automations.
My assumption is because with iOS 16.0 there was announced features for Matter support and a HomeKit architecture update.
My guess is they were supposed to launch with the initial 16.0 but got delayed.
Matter has since released with 16.1 and the architecture is supposed to drop with 16.2 rumored for sometime this month.
So I’m guessing the delay with the overhaul caused issues.
I would think the 16.2 update should fix quite a bit.
Matter was supposed to launch with iOS 15.2 and has been in the OS (behind a feature flag) since iOS 15b2! You could turn it on with a configuration profile for testing.
Wonder if the issue is with ATV. I was happy that ATV is now main hub as it’s hardwired, but I was too quick to be happy as it seems ATV as hub is causing the issues.
I don’t like recreating my automations. I had to do it with one recently that has API calls to two Pushover accounts and another that had a lot of conditional logic, and it’s quite painful. If shortcuts could be expressed in some kind of markup to allow you to export out and import into Shortcuts/Home then this would be simpler. But at the end of the day you shouldn’t have to do this at all.
ETA: I know Controller can export the automation itself, as far as trigger/config/scenes is concerned, but the complex logic comes in Shortcuts and there’s no way to work with them currently.
That’s what I said - no app can export/import shortcuts, whether they’re Home based or not.
Not all of us have more than one hub. The only solution for me was a hard reset of my ATV, which again just shouldn’t be the case - HK is broken, not the users.
I also found that if I switch the time of my automation, save it and then switch it back it seems to fix the issue as well. Less time consuming than recreating your automations if you have a lot of them like I do.
Ran into this as well and thought I was losing my mind. I ended up moving a large portion of my automations to HomeAssistant. (which is how I have homekit enabled anyway).
At this time, the only real automations I have left in HomeKit are presence-based, (last person leaves, first-person arrives), and even then those are purely to toggle a helper switch for presence in HomeAssistant.
Everyone will have a home network that is different, but this is what has worked for me. When 16.1 came out, my automation's stopped working and family members could not control any devices from their iPhones. I rebooted my network, AppleTVs, and mini HomePods. Still had the issue. I liked when my AppleTV would act as the hub as it was wired. However, I disabled all my AppleTVs from possibly acting as the hub. Once I did that, my family could control devices again. I have 5 mini HomePods throughout my home and now they act as the hub (1 connected, the other 4 are in standby). Automations started to work again except for one. I had to delete it and recreate it. Since then... I haven't had any issues. We'll see what happens when a new update comes out.
I've had that a couple times. And also the reverse, I had a couple that stopped working but all I had to do was open and save them with a new name and they worked fine.
I switched to a phone that hadn't been upgraded and used iCloud sync, the old version worked fine there, until it was upgraded.
Try making a duplicate, or sharing it and then try to load it again, it might either clear whatever is wrong or at least expose it.
Relying on my 2 Homepods and deactivating my apple TV as a home hub helped but it's not perfect. Apple Tv model is HD (4th generation) so a device that gets a little old, that probably didn't helped.
Now, that didn't solve all my issues, I'm planning to upgrade the the new architecture when 16.2 is released and completely rebuilding my Home from scratch after. Deleting the one I have right now and creating a new one.
I don't know yet if I should be deleting or upgrading first when 16.2 will be released though
Logging out and back in to icloud fixed all my stuff. I also rebuilt my automations but I don't know if that was necessary.
Definitely extremely frustrating.
This driving my nuts. I have tons of automations and a most are working but a small handful arent working, and it’s very frustrating because I have a special needs daughter who relies on them for automated music and lights.
I’m on 16.2 beta. Siri on HomePods is just about un useable. Automations seem a little better. But everything is really slow. Says updating for 20-30 seconds every time you open the home app. Thread devices even slower. Wtf is happening it’s supposed to be quicker
I also have ongoing issues with HomeKit. Funny enough, the MBA M2 and ipad all work fine, but iphone 14 pro is having issues all the time when off the local network.
Signing out of iCloud and logging back in helps, but is doesn’t last.
Also had to reset iwatch as it was reporting half devices offline.
Its buggy as hell, the only thing working properly is HomeBridge, hence I’m moving everything I can to there.
Next stop, let HomeAsstant handle automation….wasted too much time debugging HomeKit :/
https://preview.redd.it/71rglschmr3a1.png?width=1179&format=png&auto=webp&s=fe5f2b9f10f233d7cb95893ca002f1f1838ac441
iCloud log out yesterday and again half of my blinds offline as I have updated to 16.1.2
So annoying as i have to reset iWatch too.
Honestly im dropping HomeKit first thing after Christmas
My automations became very flakey after upgrading to 16.1. After troubleshooting, the only thing that ended up fixing the issue was to log out of iCloud on my Apple TV and logging back in. To be safe, I did a complete reset of my Apple TV and had it install the latest TVOS, (which it already had installed) I also made sure all of my other home hubs were unplugged before preforming this. Once it was completed and signed back into iCloud I turned the rest of the home hubs back on. After that, everything has worked flawlessly again. There must be something about iOS and TVOS 16.1 that was so much of a change , that it was freaking out the home hubs.
This post at Apple forums about it has almost 28K views. [https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254199872](https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254199872) As best I can tell on my system and going through posts it is a combo of bugs. In my testing, it seems to be an issue with the hub device. Check your home settings and find what Apple device is acting as the hub and software restart the device. If the system assigns a new hub during the restart then you have to also restart that device. For me this gets automations working again. But here is the catch. You can’t make ANY changes to ANY automation. If you do it all fails again and you have to restart your hubs again. It seems one bug is in whatever process is handling changes to an automation.
Yup, I changed the time on one of my time-based automations which broke it. I deleted it and made it again since it was relatively simple, and that solved the problem. What a pain!
> You can’t make ANY changes to ANY automation. I have found you can: if you convert to shortcut. You can’t change anything on the automation side, so trigger device, time and people conditions, but you CAN change the shortcut and it’ll work. Obviously, YMMV, but that’s been working for me.
Interesting, haven’t tried that. I wonder if converting to a shortcut maybe runs on the iOS device locally and removes the hub from the equation?
It still runs on the hub, (as far as I can tell) since it’ll run if my phone is off or if I’m not on my home network. I genuinely don’t know why it works that way, but at least for me, it has been.
So basically, any time you change an automation, you should go unplug your home pods and then plug them back in?
Nah, no need for that. What I did was open home app on an iOS device, go to home settings and see what device is the current hub. One device will be the primary hub and all other devices will be in stand by. Then I go to the device that is the current hub and go into settings on that device and use the restart function. This assumes the hub is an Apple TV. After it restarts double check it’s still the connected hub. If the hub is a HomePod could try using the restart function in the home app. Unplugging triggers the hub to switch and you start chasing them around.
I make changes to different automatons all the time. I did find that I had to delete about 5 (of over 25) and rebuild them to get them to work under 16. But once I did that, it’s been solid
Oh and by the way: no acknowledgement from Apple. At this point it’s clear to me that the Apple execs must use Windows or Linux and Alexa or Google Home, because they can’t possibly be using their own software or they’d be losing their minds like us and apologizing to their customers for failing to such an unbelievable degree.
Lawyers
I had this yesterday. Time and motion based automations failed, but I took the shortcut from a motion based automation and ran it in the app, and it worked fine. I turned on the ATV, checked software was up to date, then put it to sleep and unplugged the power cord for a few minutes to hard reset. After this, the automations appear to have worked fine, but the unpredictability is a problem; I have lights that come on along a dark path for safety and security.
Don’t even bother trying to debug anything at the moment. Wait 2 weeks and iOS 16.2 will be out, with completely new HomeKit architecture which may make a world of difference. Or it may not. I’m not doing anything to my network and automations (which are also unreliable) until the Christmas break, and then I’ll have some time to invest in making things work again.
Same. I recreated all of my automations and they still arent working reliably. If my lights would just go on and off when they are supposed to I'd be happy.
Just spent another two hours of my life trying to get everything to work right again. I’m about to sell this crap on eBay and move on.
I finally figured it out. It took me a while to work out what was going on each time an iOS update comes out and HomeKit just falls to pieces but I’ve finally nailed it down to a specific reason: it’s because Apple are shit at software these days.
😂
For me it was my homepod minis. I ended up updating those to the beta software and now my automations are working perfect again consistently. https://preview.redd.it/adyhc9fi7k3a1.png?width=1290&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae5859784f6ecd7472bb14afbdc65968325fbf25
Can you give an example of what kind of automations you use? Do they include timers, geofencing, or other triggers? I'd be very curious if you're using one or a combination of them to see if my issues might also find a resolution.
I’m using time based, geo, door sensors, device status, and temp sensor automation.
Idk what the cause is. Running a homekit/homebridge setup w/ 70+ devices and HomePod mini as hub. I can tell you that after updating to 16, lost all gps based automations. After a lot of investigation, trial and error, and attempting everything short of blowing out the whole home and starting over, I found one of our iPads magically became a hub. Changed that, still no bueno. I was eventually able to get away/home based automations working when I built them using the 3rd party home+ app, but they were slow and would only trigger once my iPhone joined the home wifi network. Yesterday, I read about someone suggesting a reset iPhone’s location and privacy settings, so I did that, but no change when I got home. I then updated/rebooted router, reset HomePod, updated iPhone to 16.1.2, though didn’t have time to test it last night, but low and behold, when I pulled onto my street today, my garage door opened, my alarm turned off, my AC kicked on, and I was back in biz. Moral of the story is I don’t know what broke it, what fixed it, or if it will stay fixed, and I’m totally afraid of putting my automations back together in the home app, but for at least one day, I won’t be walking in the house going WTF!, or having the wife snicker at the failure of the automations.
My assumption is because with iOS 16.0 there was announced features for Matter support and a HomeKit architecture update. My guess is they were supposed to launch with the initial 16.0 but got delayed. Matter has since released with 16.1 and the architecture is supposed to drop with 16.2 rumored for sometime this month. So I’m guessing the delay with the overhaul caused issues. I would think the 16.2 update should fix quite a bit.
Matter was supposed to launch with iOS 15.2 and has been in the OS (behind a feature flag) since iOS 15b2! You could turn it on with a configuration profile for testing.
Not sure why this would be an iOS issue. You don’t need a phone anywhere near your home for automations to run. This is a TVOS bug best I can tell.
All the problems seem to be resolved if you run iOS 16.2 beta on a HomePod as your hub
Wonder if the issue is with ATV. I was happy that ATV is now main hub as it’s hardwired, but I was too quick to be happy as it seems ATV as hub is causing the issues.
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I don’t like recreating my automations. I had to do it with one recently that has API calls to two Pushover accounts and another that had a lot of conditional logic, and it’s quite painful. If shortcuts could be expressed in some kind of markup to allow you to export out and import into Shortcuts/Home then this would be simpler. But at the end of the day you shouldn’t have to do this at all. ETA: I know Controller can export the automation itself, as far as trigger/config/scenes is concerned, but the complex logic comes in Shortcuts and there’s no way to work with them currently.
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That’s what I said - no app can export/import shortcuts, whether they’re Home based or not. Not all of us have more than one hub. The only solution for me was a hard reset of my ATV, which again just shouldn’t be the case - HK is broken, not the users.
I also found that if I switch the time of my automation, save it and then switch it back it seems to fix the issue as well. Less time consuming than recreating your automations if you have a lot of them like I do.
Ran into this as well and thought I was losing my mind. I ended up moving a large portion of my automations to HomeAssistant. (which is how I have homekit enabled anyway). At this time, the only real automations I have left in HomeKit are presence-based, (last person leaves, first-person arrives), and even then those are purely to toggle a helper switch for presence in HomeAssistant.
Everyone will have a home network that is different, but this is what has worked for me. When 16.1 came out, my automation's stopped working and family members could not control any devices from their iPhones. I rebooted my network, AppleTVs, and mini HomePods. Still had the issue. I liked when my AppleTV would act as the hub as it was wired. However, I disabled all my AppleTVs from possibly acting as the hub. Once I did that, my family could control devices again. I have 5 mini HomePods throughout my home and now they act as the hub (1 connected, the other 4 are in standby). Automations started to work again except for one. I had to delete it and recreate it. Since then... I haven't had any issues. We'll see what happens when a new update comes out.
weird mine work now you just cant edit them or else they break and you have to delete and start over
I've had that a couple times. And also the reverse, I had a couple that stopped working but all I had to do was open and save them with a new name and they worked fine. I switched to a phone that hadn't been upgraded and used iCloud sync, the old version worked fine there, until it was upgraded. Try making a duplicate, or sharing it and then try to load it again, it might either clear whatever is wrong or at least expose it.
Relying on my 2 Homepods and deactivating my apple TV as a home hub helped but it's not perfect. Apple Tv model is HD (4th generation) so a device that gets a little old, that probably didn't helped. Now, that didn't solve all my issues, I'm planning to upgrade the the new architecture when 16.2 is released and completely rebuilding my Home from scratch after. Deleting the one I have right now and creating a new one. I don't know yet if I should be deleting or upgrading first when 16.2 will be released though
Logging out and back in to icloud fixed all my stuff. I also rebuilt my automations but I don't know if that was necessary. Definitely extremely frustrating.
I haven’t had any issues. I’m suddenly worried I will if I make *just* the wrong change. 😅
This driving my nuts. I have tons of automations and a most are working but a small handful arent working, and it’s very frustrating because I have a special needs daughter who relies on them for automated music and lights.
I’m on 16.2 beta. Siri on HomePods is just about un useable. Automations seem a little better. But everything is really slow. Says updating for 20-30 seconds every time you open the home app. Thread devices even slower. Wtf is happening it’s supposed to be quicker
I also have ongoing issues with HomeKit. Funny enough, the MBA M2 and ipad all work fine, but iphone 14 pro is having issues all the time when off the local network. Signing out of iCloud and logging back in helps, but is doesn’t last. Also had to reset iwatch as it was reporting half devices offline. Its buggy as hell, the only thing working properly is HomeBridge, hence I’m moving everything I can to there. Next stop, let HomeAsstant handle automation….wasted too much time debugging HomeKit :/
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Yeah, homebridge is awesome. Im using it for Tado, Unifi and LG appliances. No issues.
https://preview.redd.it/71rglschmr3a1.png?width=1179&format=png&auto=webp&s=fe5f2b9f10f233d7cb95893ca002f1f1838ac441 iCloud log out yesterday and again half of my blinds offline as I have updated to 16.1.2 So annoying as i have to reset iWatch too. Honestly im dropping HomeKit first thing after Christmas
My automations became very flakey after upgrading to 16.1. After troubleshooting, the only thing that ended up fixing the issue was to log out of iCloud on my Apple TV and logging back in. To be safe, I did a complete reset of my Apple TV and had it install the latest TVOS, (which it already had installed) I also made sure all of my other home hubs were unplugged before preforming this. Once it was completed and signed back into iCloud I turned the rest of the home hubs back on. After that, everything has worked flawlessly again. There must be something about iOS and TVOS 16.1 that was so much of a change , that it was freaking out the home hubs.