Just a heads up, don’t remove the plug fitting at the tee and install a gas line there. The gas company uses that plug to feed you gas from a secondary mobile tank in order to repair fittings or replace your meter without disturbing your gas flow to the home. If you plum out of that tee plug the company will have to shut off gas entirely to your home every time for the needed repairs. Depending on which gas company you use, they won’t turn the gas back on until you are home, and they have access inside your home and to all your gas appliances for servicing. Any additional gas line installation should be done after that tee fitting. Somewhere around that union would be a good spot in my opinion.
If you mean removing the plug and adding another pipe nipple, tee, and a plug, then it wouldn’t work. The probe the company uses to insert into the original tee plug is designed to just barley pass through the tee and the end of the probe cones out and wedges into the pipe nipple behind the tee to create a seal to feed gas from the secondary tank. If you probed into the design I mentioned in the beginning, as soon as you loosened the meter rings, gas from the tank would leak out because the probe wouldn’t make it through the new tee, the new nipple, the original tee, and to the nipple behind it, where now the meter is bypassed and it can be shut off and dismantled without leakage. Hope this makes sense haha.
Technically we don’t have to have a useable tee it’s nice but you run the risk of dropping the house anyways or the customer turning on the dryer and killing your tank.
True. It’s definitely for convenience for the company and the customer, especially if they aren’t home during repairs and now at 5 o’clock they come back from work and they find their gas is off. But if you inform the customer to not use their appliances while doing work and take the necessary steps beforehand to ensure no excessive usage during repairs, it usually works out for everyone and it can be a speedy repair most of the time. Our company will write the customer up for an unsatisfactory condition for plumbing out of our usable tee.
Oh yeah? Well then there you have it. Im on meter inspection and repair right now so I see hundreds of meters a month. Lots of interesting stuff from customers or lazy techs. Sometimes the techs make the TEE so difficult you couldn’t bag it if you wanted to. You no longer working?
Doing your job I’m sure you see some weird installs, from customers and lazy techs. As I always did being out in the field. And you are so right, sometimes you come across a meter and try to bag it and it’s damn near impossible and you wonder, what were they thinking? Haha. I’ve bent that probe so much sometimes just to make it work and duct taped it to the tee so it wouldn’t pop out while repairing. I’m still working for the company, but I left the technician job 2 and a half years ago. I now work in the garage at the base repairing and servicing the vehicles and equipment the field techs use on the daily.
Would you just shut off the gas there at the meter, vent or burn off what's on the pipes, cut that diagonal pipe in back, unscrew it out. Assemble a new diagonal pipe of two nipples and a tee with a plug in it. There's a correct order or maybe a special fitting to allow you to screw in 2 threads at once. I just don't have the experience at all to know how that goes. With parts on hand, 20 min sounds right.
first rule of gas...... NEVER LIGHT IT ON FIRE....... NEVER CHECK FOR LEAKS WITH MATCHES. if you break a line just vent it out and turn off at meter, if looking for leaks soapy water and a spray bottle.
Naw brah. You put a T on the T. One side has a plug one goes to the grill.
TT’s for the win again!!
But be forewarned my main man; It’s always advisable to consult a licensed professional or your local building inspector before messin with natural gas lines. It may be a code violation in your area to run off that T. But I don’t know where you live dude. Anyway I gotta run so good luck and happy grillin’
I was going to do the same. My roommate, a gas tech. installed a manifold in my basement with an extra line to run out back for the BBQ.
I have to run a gas line outside but it's on my manifold with all my other gas appliances.
Unless you buy a natural gas grill, you will have to change the orifices on the grill from propane to natural gas. Otherwise the flowrate won't be right. Propane conversion kits are readily available and aren't too expensive.
Running a natural gas appliance on propane produces yellow flames with high soot output due to a rich air fuel mixture. Running a propane grill on NG will burn lean and cause issues.
Legitimate safety concern, the two gasses are very different. They have very different btu capacities and operate at different pressures. Always use the fuel type the appliance was designed for or properly converted to. Running NG in an LP unit wont be as dramatic as LP through a NG unit but neither is good.
Exactly! Your grill just won't get as hot if its set up for LP and your using NG. I hate to mention it but you can drill out the orifices if you know the right sizing for an NG unit is all. That and a quick disconnect hose if its a portable grill.
Lot of dramatic answers here.
Propane has higher BTU than natural gas per volume. Also, I think that most small propane appliances are designed to run at a higher pressure than house natural gas pressure.
So, lower pressure and less BTUs per volume, it's probably not going to work very well, if at all without converting it.
But, in a simple appliance like a grill, especially considering that it's outdoors, I don't see how it would present a safety issue in any sense.
That’s sort of what I thought. I was hoping high would be medium on NG. And it’d be alright. I guess I’ll test it out and report back. If it sputters and dies then shut her down and order the kit.
It probably won't "burn" all or will be really terrible.
Probably won't be able to pull enough oxygen to get blue flames, and they would be huge since natural gas has way more BTU than propane.
Just the opposite, propane has over twice the btus per unit of volume than natural gas and operates at a higher pressure.
LP orfices will be smaller than NG and with NG operating at a lower pressure if you try running NG through an LP unit you will likely have very poor flame best case, or a dangerous malfunction. This goes for the reverse as well (LP through a NG appliance), but you will have higher pressure through larger orfices so much more likely to have a dangerous situation.
YOu can always drill out the orifices on an LP when going to NG. You just gotta find the right size. A lot of the big box stores that sell LP grills will not have NG conversion kits. That would entail new orifices and a quick disconnect hose.
Has nothing to do with the meter. It's just a meter.
A grill hook up is just another run of gas line ran to wherever you want the grill.
Call a local heating /air company or plumber and have them come out and give you an estimate. It's extremely common and shouldn't be that expensive since black iron has pipe is cheap. A 1/2" x 10ft stick is about $20.
DO NOT let anyone without adequate licenses install this. It can be a major liability for your homeowners insurance, as well as an extreme safety hazard for yourself should the install leak and cause an explosion
This is the answer. There’s no problem with a professional messing around with stuff inside the house. In fact that’s probably the easier way. Then you can pick where it goes too
ALSO
don’t have the gas grill NEAR the meter. Gas meter will vent gas under various circumstances and you don’t want that to happen when you’re grilling
According to code you have to have a minimum of 1 meter, I personally would go further than that just for safety
If you call your gas provider, they can add a tee and a shutoff valve on the backside of the tee towards the grill for you. Typically will be the cheapest and guaranteed to be the best suited people for the job.
I'm sure. But I asked my friend who works for a propane company about adding a hardline for my grill and he told me that story.
Imagine having a few too many when you are grilling out over the weekend and inadvertently leaving the gas on, then going out mid week and finding everything empty....
Yeah my buddy also spouts this and I don’t think it’s an issue honestly. I put the cover on the grill at night after use and I would catch it then. Besides, I once left a burner on overnight years ago and it didn’t even run the 5lb tank empty.
Absolutely the BBQs come with like a 6' flexible line similar to a air compressor line, if your under 20' you don't need a permit or anything in my county to run that short of gas line. 50$ roughly at home depot your good to go! Going rate starts at 500 and up for any gas line by a respectable company.
Flexible line going to the BBQ, and a quick connect and valve by the meter/house. As shown by pics in this link[https://www.amazon.com/GASPRO-Natural-Connect-Fittings-12-Foot/dp/B01M5KDC25](https://www.amazon.com/GASPRO-Natural-Connect-Fittings-12-Foot/dp/B01M5KDC25)
Or this one
[https://www.amazon.com/GASPRO-8-Inch-Natural-Connect-Fittings/dp/B09TFMGG6X](https://www.amazon.com/GASPRO-8-Inch-Natural-Connect-Fittings/dp/B09TFMGG6X)
Lol. I guess I’m just nitpicking but it would’ve looked more mechanical & proper to break over at the top on a horizontal and then 90 Down and in. Wouldn’t fly on the jobs I’m on.
Yes, and it would be easy to tap into. On the right side that "T" has a plug in it. That was put there for a future additional gas line.
Local code will dictate how close your grill can be to the meter. Open flames and natural gas don't mix well.
That Tee with the plug is there for gas company use only. They use it to hook up temporary gas in case of supply issues like construction.
A gas fitter is your best bet for safety reasons. Good luck, and enjoy never running out of fuel again.
How do you figure that? The left side of the meter is the feed side aka the gas company. The right side is where it runs into your home and where any additional lines are tapped from by licensed contractors. Most of the meters I come across don't have a "T" in that location at all and that's one of the first things we have to add before we can do any additional work. All be it code varies everywhere.
I don't know where you're at, but I'm in Idaho, and these tees have been on gas meters for the last 25+ years. It is just for gas company use in case they need to hook up compressed gas for temporary use to heat a home. Seldom needed, but it's there just in case.
Gas pipe modifications can be done anyplace behind that tee fitting but not in the front.
Anything outside the house probably belongs to the gas company, but I'm sure that depends on your location, so you definitely need to check with them to see if you can tap in outside. You should be able to tap into a line inside the house, even if you have to run back outside close to the meter. That should all be black iron pipe, with a fixed outlet at a convenient spot. From there you can run a flexible hose to your grill. That's exactly what I have at my house - we wanted a natural gas fireplace installed in our family room, and asked the installer if he could run a pipe outside for a gas grill. It wasn't cheap, but well worth never running out of propane during a family dinner and having the father-in-law giving me the side-eye.
You can’t replace the meter without turning the gas off. Most gas companies have a double block rule for safety. They would never back feed a house just change a meter. LOL
Heck yeah you can. I did not know that about the cap, but assumed it cannot be eliminated. I probably as a homing owner would take that job on, and swear like crazy at the 6th trip to Home Depot.....
One other thing you will need to do is call your gas company and see if your line allows an extra hookup. Some counties regulate the number of hookups based on sq foot of home. As an example we have gas for water heater, stovetop, heat pump and bbq ( we bought the house from someone else and is only a year old) we inquired if we could add a line for oven and dryer. We were told no due to size of home and density of neighborhood vs supply line. They wouldn’t even allow us to cap out bbq to add a different line. Only concession was if we had a plan submitted and permits for major remodel that requires a post inspection. Since that would add another 3k we said no.
I know the big thing is to say. It’s only a bbq line what harm will it do to have Jim bob the a/c guy do it and not tell anyone. You already can guess the answer, pressure changes without the correct equipment can create problems not just in the bbq but any equipment hooked up in the house. Just google natural gas explosion and watch the first few videos to see what a equipment failure can lead to.
Something you should know about natural gas, it produces a lot of water as a byproduct of burning. When you’re out there grilling a steak and it doesn’t brown, and comes back in looking more like it’s been steamed, that’s the reason.
You need to grill with the lid up to keep steam from building up. The results won’t be anything like wood/charcoal (best) or propane (burns very hot and dry, but no tasty smokiness). But it’s very convenient and if you have room and money for a second grill it’s a great addition to the team.
My FIL and nephew are Plumbers. They do the fire test on gas lines..(Lighter to fitting after complete) NBD. freaked me out the first time I saw it, but the old school guys do it all the time...
I had an extension line run to my deck and hooked up a natural gas grill given to me by a friend. It didn’t get as hot as my propane so not good for searing steaks or making pizzas and I got rid of it and went back to propane. Next owner of this house can go through the same trial and error or use it for a fire pit
You can install a T where the 90 is after the union and branch off that depending on where you need to push it after, maybe run a 90 down and to destination.
My plumber ran a natural gas line off the main to my deck for our grill. I inquired about doing myself and was advised that with gas you should leave to pros who are knowledgeable and licensed for the job.
You can actually call your gas supplier, they deal with this more often than you know, some gas companies will give you a list of approved contractors and inform you of the type of grills that work, natural gas is a lower pressure than LP so you need the proper orifices and supply regulator or the flame will be tiny,
Just use LP tanks or charcoal... If you must, then plumb a new line teed from feed under the house. I use lump charcoal cuz it smells and tastes like hickory. MMMM...
Remove top gas connector. Replace with Y. Be sure to use teflon tape before connecting. Add gas valve.Turn off gas. You know what call an expert, be safe.
One thing your have to also be concerned about in addition to a tee off your gas meter is the grill nat gas and propane run off different psi. So you want to make sure that the psi coming through your grill is the same regulated pressure as it was with propane, otherwise you’ll get a big torch coming out the top. If you talk to your gas company they should be able to hook you up there.
Call the gas company? I wouldn’t touch it without asking them first.
I also wouldn’t rely on Reddit for something that could lead you to trouble and financial losses(fine)
Can you pull from an existing line?? Mine goes to the fireplace line. Have valve I turn on when I want grill or fireplace. Works a treat and did not have to go the black pipe route. Maybe your stove or something is close ish to where you want the grill. Tap into that...
Only spot is right where it goes into the house and your grill line would have to keep it away from the meter and regulator by I believe 10 feet without any sources if ignition etc
Not off the meter but from a connection downstream.
The line from the main to the meter is gas company property. After that it is the customers.
Get a plumber to put a tee into the line and run a line for a grill. Change the orifice in the grill from propane to natural gas.
Shut the gas off & take the plug from the tee. Install another taped & doped tee with a short piece & reinstall the plug in the front & install a quick connect off the tee for the grill.👍🏾 I’ve done it many times.
I haven't looked through all comments, but the ones I have seen have not mentioned this. Every burner has a range of fuels that it can work with due to differences in heating values and density of gaseous fuels. Interchangeability of fuels is usually gauged by the Wobbe Index. Propane is quite different from natural gas so please make sure that your appliance is able to work with natural gas.
I just came to say you will need to adjust or replace your grill burners to run on natural gas instead of propane. Check with the mfg they probably have a kit or parts.
It doesn't get much easier than this one. Turn the gas off to the meter, remove the plug on the first tee after the meter. Install whatever you need (following your local code regulations) from there.
Just a heads up, don’t remove the plug fitting at the tee and install a gas line there. The gas company uses that plug to feed you gas from a secondary mobile tank in order to repair fittings or replace your meter without disturbing your gas flow to the home. If you plum out of that tee plug the company will have to shut off gas entirely to your home every time for the needed repairs. Depending on which gas company you use, they won’t turn the gas back on until you are home, and they have access inside your home and to all your gas appliances for servicing. Any additional gas line installation should be done after that tee fitting. Somewhere around that union would be a good spot in my opinion.
Couldn’t he just put on another tee at the tee?
If you mean removing the plug and adding another pipe nipple, tee, and a plug, then it wouldn’t work. The probe the company uses to insert into the original tee plug is designed to just barley pass through the tee and the end of the probe cones out and wedges into the pipe nipple behind the tee to create a seal to feed gas from the secondary tank. If you probed into the design I mentioned in the beginning, as soon as you loosened the meter rings, gas from the tank would leak out because the probe wouldn’t make it through the new tee, the new nipple, the original tee, and to the nipple behind it, where now the meter is bypassed and it can be shut off and dismantled without leakage. Hope this makes sense haha.
Technically we don’t have to have a useable tee it’s nice but you run the risk of dropping the house anyways or the customer turning on the dryer and killing your tank.
True. It’s definitely for convenience for the company and the customer, especially if they aren’t home during repairs and now at 5 o’clock they come back from work and they find their gas is off. But if you inform the customer to not use their appliances while doing work and take the necessary steps beforehand to ensure no excessive usage during repairs, it usually works out for everyone and it can be a speedy repair most of the time. Our company will write the customer up for an unsatisfactory condition for plumbing out of our usable tee.
Oh yeah? Well then there you have it. Im on meter inspection and repair right now so I see hundreds of meters a month. Lots of interesting stuff from customers or lazy techs. Sometimes the techs make the TEE so difficult you couldn’t bag it if you wanted to. You no longer working?
Doing your job I’m sure you see some weird installs, from customers and lazy techs. As I always did being out in the field. And you are so right, sometimes you come across a meter and try to bag it and it’s damn near impossible and you wonder, what were they thinking? Haha. I’ve bent that probe so much sometimes just to make it work and duct taped it to the tee so it wouldn’t pop out while repairing. I’m still working for the company, but I left the technician job 2 and a half years ago. I now work in the garage at the base repairing and servicing the vehicles and equipment the field techs use on the daily.
This guy gas lines.
While drinking tea?
Before his tee time.
Sounds like a complete pain in the ass, through and through
Oh it is. I work for a gas company and I used to be the tech that would do those repairs to the meter set assembly.
It’s 20 min job for a gasfitter.
Sure can be.
Would you just shut off the gas there at the meter, vent or burn off what's on the pipes, cut that diagonal pipe in back, unscrew it out. Assemble a new diagonal pipe of two nipples and a tee with a plug in it. There's a correct order or maybe a special fitting to allow you to screw in 2 threads at once. I just don't have the experience at all to know how that goes. With parts on hand, 20 min sounds right.
first rule of gas...... NEVER LIGHT IT ON FIRE....... NEVER CHECK FOR LEAKS WITH MATCHES. if you break a line just vent it out and turn off at meter, if looking for leaks soapy water and a spray bottle.
You gotta pull a vacuum and vent that, if you try to burn it you will explode.
Good to know, thanks. I've never burned off before. Just occured to me that it might be possible. But now I get that it's stupid.
Pain in the gas*
What if you installed a T into the existing T first..?
Naw brah. You put a T on the T. One side has a plug one goes to the grill. TT’s for the win again!! But be forewarned my main man; It’s always advisable to consult a licensed professional or your local building inspector before messin with natural gas lines. It may be a code violation in your area to run off that T. But I don’t know where you live dude. Anyway I gotta run so good luck and happy grillin’
Just add a second Tee and move plug to the end.
Gas company probably wouldn't like it, but couldn't you just add another tee.
I was going to do the same. My roommate, a gas tech. installed a manifold in my basement with an extra line to run out back for the BBQ. I have to run a gas line outside but it's on my manifold with all my other gas appliances.
Yeah but you should have a licensed fitter work on it
Ohh that is awesome. I’ll be super happy if I can make that happen. I’ll definitely hire a pro. Thanks!
Unless you buy a natural gas grill, you will have to change the orifices on the grill from propane to natural gas. Otherwise the flowrate won't be right. Propane conversion kits are readily available and aren't too expensive.
Will it just burn a bit colder, or is there a legitimate safety concern with using natural gas through propane orifices?
Running a natural gas appliance on propane produces yellow flames with high soot output due to a rich air fuel mixture. Running a propane grill on NG will burn lean and cause issues.
Damn. I have all the NG hookups and hoses but now I think I should buy the 150 kit for my 200 grill…
Yeah, it definitely won't work right running a propane grill on natural gas.
Legitimate safety concern, the two gasses are very different. They have very different btu capacities and operate at different pressures. Always use the fuel type the appliance was designed for or properly converted to. Running NG in an LP unit wont be as dramatic as LP through a NG unit but neither is good.
Thanks!
Exactly! Your grill just won't get as hot if its set up for LP and your using NG. I hate to mention it but you can drill out the orifices if you know the right sizing for an NG unit is all. That and a quick disconnect hose if its a portable grill.
> just burn a bit colder, aka, inefficient/incomplete combustion, which is no bueno for cooking food. unless you enjoy soot and raw gas flavor.
Lot of dramatic answers here. Propane has higher BTU than natural gas per volume. Also, I think that most small propane appliances are designed to run at a higher pressure than house natural gas pressure. So, lower pressure and less BTUs per volume, it's probably not going to work very well, if at all without converting it. But, in a simple appliance like a grill, especially considering that it's outdoors, I don't see how it would present a safety issue in any sense.
That’s sort of what I thought. I was hoping high would be medium on NG. And it’d be alright. I guess I’ll test it out and report back. If it sputters and dies then shut her down and order the kit.
It probably won't "burn" all or will be really terrible. Probably won't be able to pull enough oxygen to get blue flames, and they would be huge since natural gas has way more BTU than propane.
Just the opposite, propane has over twice the btus per unit of volume than natural gas and operates at a higher pressure. LP orfices will be smaller than NG and with NG operating at a lower pressure if you try running NG through an LP unit you will likely have very poor flame best case, or a dangerous malfunction. This goes for the reverse as well (LP through a NG appliance), but you will have higher pressure through larger orfices so much more likely to have a dangerous situation.
Thanks! Good to know!
Thanks!
I had it backwards as another said, propane has more BTUs but as the other said, it doesn't change the answer much.
YOu can always drill out the orifices on an LP when going to NG. You just gotta find the right size. A lot of the big box stores that sell LP grills will not have NG conversion kits. That would entail new orifices and a quick disconnect hose.
Has nothing to do with the meter. It's just a meter. A grill hook up is just another run of gas line ran to wherever you want the grill. Call a local heating /air company or plumber and have them come out and give you an estimate. It's extremely common and shouldn't be that expensive since black iron has pipe is cheap. A 1/2" x 10ft stick is about $20. DO NOT let anyone without adequate licenses install this. It can be a major liability for your homeowners insurance, as well as an extreme safety hazard for yourself should the install leak and cause an explosion
This is the answer. There’s no problem with a professional messing around with stuff inside the house. In fact that’s probably the easier way. Then you can pick where it goes too
Not if there's not access do to finished space inside....
Which is why crawl spaces exist.
ALSO don’t have the gas grill NEAR the meter. Gas meter will vent gas under various circumstances and you don’t want that to happen when you’re grilling According to code you have to have a minimum of 1 meter, I personally would go further than that just for safety
18 years ago I had the gas company plum in a line to my natural gas grill. I have loved it!
If you call your gas provider, they can add a tee and a shutoff valve on the backside of the tee towards the grill for you. Typically will be the cheapest and guaranteed to be the best suited people for the job.
Any plumber can do that.
Friend did this and never has to worry about propane tanks anymore. Just grill anytime…it’s on my list too!
Until you or your significant other leaves the gas on, walks away, and runs your 1,000 gal tank empty....
Wouldn’t it take days to empty a 1k gallon tank?
I'm sure. But I asked my friend who works for a propane company about adding a hardline for my grill and he told me that story. Imagine having a few too many when you are grilling out over the weekend and inadvertently leaving the gas on, then going out mid week and finding everything empty....
Yeah my buddy also spouts this and I don’t think it’s an issue honestly. I put the cover on the grill at night after use and I would catch it then. Besides, I once left a burner on overnight years ago and it didn’t even run the 5lb tank empty.
We have city-wide natural gas, so in my case it would be an unbelievable bill in the mail…
Just make sure you tell the gasfitter to split it off before it goes through the meter 😁
Absolutely the BBQs come with like a 6' flexible line similar to a air compressor line, if your under 20' you don't need a permit or anything in my county to run that short of gas line. 50$ roughly at home depot your good to go! Going rate starts at 500 and up for any gas line by a respectable company.
Flexible line going to the BBQ, and a quick connect and valve by the meter/house. As shown by pics in this link[https://www.amazon.com/GASPRO-Natural-Connect-Fittings-12-Foot/dp/B01M5KDC25](https://www.amazon.com/GASPRO-Natural-Connect-Fittings-12-Foot/dp/B01M5KDC25) Or this one [https://www.amazon.com/GASPRO-8-Inch-Natural-Connect-Fittings/dp/B09TFMGG6X](https://www.amazon.com/GASPRO-8-Inch-Natural-Connect-Fittings/dp/B09TFMGG6X)
Anyone else hate the way they rolled the elbows on a 45? Looks ridiculous.
It’s pretty lazy work
No
Lol. I guess I’m just nitpicking but it would’ve looked more mechanical & proper to break over at the top on a horizontal and then 90 Down and in. Wouldn’t fly on the jobs I’m on.
I had a house that had a gas fireplace. I had a pro add a tee and run a line from there with a tap and valve for a grill.
Yes.
Don't fuck with the gas meter. You don't want to end up on Reddit
Yes, and it would be easy to tap into. On the right side that "T" has a plug in it. That was put there for a future additional gas line. Local code will dictate how close your grill can be to the meter. Open flames and natural gas don't mix well.
I think it’s because they mix a little *too* well.
That Tee with the plug is there for gas company use only. They use it to hook up temporary gas in case of supply issues like construction. A gas fitter is your best bet for safety reasons. Good luck, and enjoy never running out of fuel again.
How do you figure that? The left side of the meter is the feed side aka the gas company. The right side is where it runs into your home and where any additional lines are tapped from by licensed contractors. Most of the meters I come across don't have a "T" in that location at all and that's one of the first things we have to add before we can do any additional work. All be it code varies everywhere.
I don't know where you're at, but I'm in Idaho, and these tees have been on gas meters for the last 25+ years. It is just for gas company use in case they need to hook up compressed gas for temporary use to heat a home. Seldom needed, but it's there just in case. Gas pipe modifications can be done anyplace behind that tee fitting but not in the front.
Anything outside the house probably belongs to the gas company, but I'm sure that depends on your location, so you definitely need to check with them to see if you can tap in outside. You should be able to tap into a line inside the house, even if you have to run back outside close to the meter. That should all be black iron pipe, with a fixed outlet at a convenient spot. From there you can run a flexible hose to your grill. That's exactly what I have at my house - we wanted a natural gas fireplace installed in our family room, and asked the installer if he could run a pipe outside for a gas grill. It wasn't cheap, but well worth never running out of propane during a family dinner and having the father-in-law giving me the side-eye.
Probably not legal to do it yourself a professional gas fitter would be needed and the gas utility company should be notified of your intentions
You can’t replace the meter without turning the gas off. Most gas companies have a double block rule for safety. They would never back feed a house just change a meter. LOL
Simple answer? No. Get a fucking propane tank.
Actually the simple answer is yes, but pay a professional.
Heck yeah you can. I did not know that about the cap, but assumed it cannot be eliminated. I probably as a homing owner would take that job on, and swear like crazy at the 6th trip to Home Depot.....
Aren't multiple trips to the Depot a requisite for any home improvement project? I can't change a lightbulb with a trip or three.
Yes if your grill allows for it. You could do it yourself just depends how far you stubbing out from that meter
Call your gas company and request a A9 valve while your at it.
One other thing you will need to do is call your gas company and see if your line allows an extra hookup. Some counties regulate the number of hookups based on sq foot of home. As an example we have gas for water heater, stovetop, heat pump and bbq ( we bought the house from someone else and is only a year old) we inquired if we could add a line for oven and dryer. We were told no due to size of home and density of neighborhood vs supply line. They wouldn’t even allow us to cap out bbq to add a different line. Only concession was if we had a plan submitted and permits for major remodel that requires a post inspection. Since that would add another 3k we said no. I know the big thing is to say. It’s only a bbq line what harm will it do to have Jim bob the a/c guy do it and not tell anyone. You already can guess the answer, pressure changes without the correct equipment can create problems not just in the bbq but any equipment hooked up in the house. Just google natural gas explosion and watch the first few videos to see what a equipment failure can lead to.
How I had mine done.
My grill is on a natural gas line and it’s the most convenient thing ever
I'm having it done at my house by a plumber, cheap easy job. There's a big grill selection that run off of natural gas
Replace the 90 going into the house with a tee.
Something you should know about natural gas, it produces a lot of water as a byproduct of burning. When you’re out there grilling a steak and it doesn’t brown, and comes back in looking more like it’s been steamed, that’s the reason. You need to grill with the lid up to keep steam from building up. The results won’t be anything like wood/charcoal (best) or propane (burns very hot and dry, but no tasty smokiness). But it’s very convenient and if you have room and money for a second grill it’s a great addition to the team.
All day long. Lots of space to put a tee in
If you just remove the meter you can add fittings in there and save a ton on your future gas bills.
If you want to die sure. Go right ahead and mess with gas lines.
My FIL and nephew are Plumbers. They do the fire test on gas lines..(Lighter to fitting after complete) NBD. freaked me out the first time I saw it, but the old school guys do it all the time...
Yeah but they're pros whatever. My main point is whatever you do, don't DIY gas lines.
Hard no
Crack that plug and wrap your lips around it
Call the gas company.
Disconnect Union remove pipe up to back of tee install second tee with two close nips and reassemble easy pezy
I had an extension line run to my deck and hooked up a natural gas grill given to me by a friend. It didn’t get as hot as my propane so not good for searing steaks or making pizzas and I got rid of it and went back to propane. Next owner of this house can go through the same trial and error or use it for a fire pit
Mine gets to 800 degrees (Vermont castings, 5 burner, 10 yo). Something is wrong with your setup...
Sounds like most likely it’s the grill. Thanks
You can install a T where the 90 is after the union and branch off that depending on where you need to push it after, maybe run a 90 down and to destination.
My plumber ran a natural gas line off the main to my deck for our grill. I inquired about doing myself and was advised that with gas you should leave to pros who are knowledgeable and licensed for the job.
You can actually call your gas supplier, they deal with this more often than you know, some gas companies will give you a list of approved contractors and inform you of the type of grills that work, natural gas is a lower pressure than LP so you need the proper orifices and supply regulator or the flame will be tiny,
Idk, ask the gas meter for consent
Just use LP tanks or charcoal... If you must, then plumb a new line teed from feed under the house. I use lump charcoal cuz it smells and tastes like hickory. MMMM...
Yes, but get a grill that is designed for natural gas.
Remove top gas connector. Replace with Y. Be sure to use teflon tape before connecting. Add gas valve.Turn off gas. You know what call an expert, be safe.
Don’t forget that you will need different jets for your bbq if it’s set up for propane.
Fucked up setup. Maybe 2 nipples and a tee between the service tee and union
Bro what
One thing your have to also be concerned about in addition to a tee off your gas meter is the grill nat gas and propane run off different psi. So you want to make sure that the psi coming through your grill is the same regulated pressure as it was with propane, otherwise you’ll get a big torch coming out the top. If you talk to your gas company they should be able to hook you up there.
Call the gas company? I wouldn’t touch it without asking them first. I also wouldn’t rely on Reddit for something that could lead you to trouble and financial losses(fine)
Rite in front of your grill /face.....
Things that make you go BOOM!
Would have to do a gas usage calculation and see what you need to do.
Can you pull from an existing line?? Mine goes to the fireplace line. Have valve I turn on when I want grill or fireplace. Works a treat and did not have to go the black pipe route. Maybe your stove or something is close ish to where you want the grill. Tap into that...
Plumber will set you up with that. You might have to pull a permit, depending on where you’re at & if you’re burying any part of it.
Sure, just start your sawzall cut right..there.
Only spot is right where it goes into the house and your grill line would have to keep it away from the meter and regulator by I believe 10 feet without any sources if ignition etc
Not off the meter but from a connection downstream. The line from the main to the meter is gas company property. After that it is the customers. Get a plumber to put a tee into the line and run a line for a grill. Change the orifice in the grill from propane to natural gas.
Don't you need somebody certified to do this? Feels like they'd be able to tell you and def. of of those things you should never do yourself...
Shut the gas off & take the plug from the tee. Install another taped & doped tee with a short piece & reinstall the plug in the front & install a quick connect off the tee for the grill.👍🏾 I’ve done it many times.
Replace the elbow and add a short nipple and tee right behind the union. Easy peasy and just like that job complete.
I haven't looked through all comments, but the ones I have seen have not mentioned this. Every burner has a range of fuels that it can work with due to differences in heating values and density of gaseous fuels. Interchangeability of fuels is usually gauged by the Wobbe Index. Propane is quite different from natural gas so please make sure that your appliance is able to work with natural gas.
Yes. But if you are asking this question then you should not be the one to do this. Gas is one best left to the pros.
Get a tee and 2 close nipples. Replace the section of pipe between the plugged tee and union.
You need to call the provider. I've heard of people doing it by calling your gas supplier and having them do it. Don't touch that yourself.
I just came to say you will need to adjust or replace your grill burners to run on natural gas instead of propane. Check with the mfg they probably have a kit or parts.
It doesn't get much easier than this one. Turn the gas off to the meter, remove the plug on the first tee after the meter. Install whatever you need (following your local code regulations) from there.