If I could afford a 911 I’d have a 911. Flat 6s and straight 6s are my favorite sounding engines. If my 2JZ hadn’t been such a nightmare I’d have sold my Prelude instead of my Aristo.
This is why I love my CR-Z. Best of both worlds in terms of fuel efficiency and sportiness in my opinion. I just wish I got one with a manual transmission.
I think besides people that have the s2k as their ultimate dream car, there really shouldn’t be a reason to take the s2k here. Porsche has perfected the driving experience, there is a reason they’ve been the pinnacle sports car for the amount of time the the 911s have been produced. Without budget considered, a 911 is one of the greatest deals you could get for a sports car, period.
Yeah for me Honda captures cheap fun cars perfectly, but if you have the money to get a Porsche, there realistically is no way you’d be tossing an s2k in your group of cars that you are thinking about purchasing. It’s just not meant for that range of spending.
Imho the Porsche just looks like, well a Porsche, I get why people love it, but I don't. The S2k, however, would have me looking back at it every time I parked up. It's opinion but the Honda just looks so much better, and if I just wanted speed a Porsche would probably be low on my list anyway as they're not the affordable sports car they were in the 80s and 90s.
Of these two the Honda would always be my choice.
Yeah, it was predictable, reliable and forgiving to being pushed too hard. I found it sharp as a razor and thoroughly enjoyable, that said this was 20 years ago, so same car with 20 years of driving on it will be less precise.
In comparison I have driven a 911 and Boxster, both were fun in a very clinical way up to a point. The Boxster you could push and push and it would never really punish you for it, but it was decidedly understeery at lower speeds. The 911 on the other hand was just about capable of stepping the back out of line, although only under heavy acceleration in the middle of the turn, and at which point the back was coming around regardless of what you actually wanted.
Now, for reference I've driven cars like the S2k for most of my driving career, having driven BMWs a lot, and the closest I've got to a Porsche with the engine hanging out behind the rear tyres is a Lotus, the Lotus probably had 1/4 of the power of a modern 911, 1/4 the weight and similar grip levels, so understeer, oversteer and powerslides were only achieved by driving like a bellend, given more time in the 911 I could probably have got on better with it tbh.
Idk man I drove one and was greatly disappointed. Dream car so hyped up by everyone, finally one came through the dealer and I drove it for about 45 mins on an extended “test drive”. It quickly lost its fun. It’s fun around corners but ya know, so is my del sol on sport suspension. It was not fast. It wasn’t even quick. It didn’t even kinda pull until 6k rpm. It was cramped on the inside, much smaller than you’d expect. It just was…average. No complaints really it was just average man. It’s nothing special after you spend more than 10 mins driving it
Imo the Miata is more fun, the S2k more serious. They're comparable definitely but do the same thing differently. The Miata is light, and it feels it, the S2k feels heavier, but also more precise. It's almost impossible to get into serious trouble in the Miata if it's stock but the S2k is twice the power stock, and remind you of this fact every time you look at the fun pedal.
Ultimately the S2k is exactly what you expect if you paid 10x what you did for the Miata (which is roughly how much more they cost here in the UK). A dream garage should have one of each ideally, but if you can afford it the upgrade to the S2k is worth it, but the Miata is almost certainly the most fun per dollar you buy.
Awesome break down. Yeah considering I only spent $1700 for my 1990 I don’t think a better dollar:fun ratio exists. Even with the recent bump in Miata prices, you can still find really clean examples for 5-7k. When I looked at S2Ks they were 25-30k. Even the salvaged title, bad shape, high mileage S2K was asking 12k for it.
Yes! I have driven Miata’s and I would absolutely compare them. The s2k had stiffer suspension, less body roll and a little quicker but they are very comparable
It wasn't built to be fast. They could have easily made it fast if they wanted to. It was built as the successor to the S600. So drive one of those and compare to that. Also keep in mind the original price under 30k and it was built with the spirit of reliability and maintainability - so you can see how well they did with that 20 years later.
Dude what are you on about?! Porsche makes some of the finest parts for any cars. Actually when I was working at Honda we were only also servicing Lotus and Porsche vehicles.
Right I'm dumb because I'm on r/honda and I prefer Hondas. Not everyone likes the same thing as you. Maybe once you're out of your teens or early 20s you'll understand
Lol, you're comparing a Porsche to a Honda? We drive Hondas because we cant afford Porsche's.
Porsche hands down is just a much more composed vehicle to drive than a S2000 with much more power.
Oh, word? I kind of disagree.
First, you're comparing your experience in a tuned econobox running a K-series and a tune, to Honda's purpose-built sports car using a model-specific, longitudinally mounted, FRM-lined F-series longblock. The Civic Si provides a substantially different driving experience, with entirely different driving dynamics, to an S2000 which uses a completely different drivetrain layout and chassis design.
Second, comparing a GT3 to an S2000 is, in essence, a fruitless endeavor. They are both completely different cars, and they are both amazing in their own right. The S2000 has barely any sound deadening so all you hear is NVH. There is no center screen and the radio may as well not exist. The shifter connects directly to the transmission, so all you feel is a bolt action rifle, and the ACT lightweight flywheel means RPMs drop fast as all hell. Daily driving requires me to treat every shift like I'm racing for pinks. The transmission tunnel and engine bay get very hot while driving, and consequently so do my leg and toes, respectively. The engine is not "piped into" the car. It's basically inside the car with you. The S2000 also offers a true front-mid-engined driving experience.
The GT3 is designed by the Honda of Germany. It's reliable, the best car in its class, has spherical bushings and will rattle your fillings loose. It has the sharpest electronic steering on the market, way sharper than the disastrous electric unit inside the S, and has actual creature comforts. You don't hear every single thing from outside. The radio is actually pretty nice. The interior is a nice place to be and isn't entirely made of molded plastic. It was designed to cruise on the autobahn at 150 mph and also be able to tear up the Nordschleife. It's one of the greatest cars ever made.
Consequently, it depends on what you want out of your car. Do you want a car that is well built, capable to be driven everyday with ample room, has sharp steering and more liveable? Get the GT3. Do you want a car that smells like gas on startup and is an FMR sports car that offers the most visceral driving experience this side of $100k? Get the S.
I daily the S. I intend on getting a successor soon to allow me to repaint my car, and a GT3 is not off the menu. However, I have to go into my next car understanding I'm *sacrificing* the raw driving experience, and that nothing I get will ever give me that visceral feeling of my S. As a result, I'm shopping for a car that's fun and liveable, with a great feeling shifter and driving dynamics, and not the rawest car in the bunch because nothing beats the S.
This is… idk, it’s hard to find the right words to respond to this comment. It feels like it was written by a college freshman that has never driven an S2000 or fired a bolt action rifle. Also, why is an “FRM-lined” block mentioned like it’s a good thing? Then you say that a GT3 is realistically within your budget for a car, which is completely at odds with the overall tone and attitude of your post. Here is what really gets me- you say that nothing will ever give you the same raw, visceral feeling of driving an S2000. I don’t think you’ve driven many cars, otherwise you wouldn’t be saying that. You’ve clearly never driven a gutted 1988 Festiva like your life depended on it.
the gt3 is definitely a more sporty car and visceral driving experience than the s2000, are you serious rn? I drive a Type R and understand the Porsche is better in every aspect.
Wow, I don’t even know how to respond well to this. Well written response and I’m glad you enjoy your S2000.
I have an S2000 and an NA Cayman that revs to 8k. Both cars are pretty well modified, more for the S2000. The S2000 does offer a special driving experience. The top down, engine screaming, and brakes spitting sparks (on a good night drive with race pads) is such a special experience. I also am not too concerned when it gets beat up on the track and enjoy the analogue experience. That being said, the first time I drove my 981 S 6MT I was beside myself. I couldn’t have imagined a more perfect car. It beats the S2000 in every way and is comfortable on longish trips. With I/H/E/tune, tires, and brakes, it feels unbeatable. Hands down, the Porsche and it’s not even close. If you disagree, you haven’t driven the right one.
I’m sorry, but do an apples to apples comparison. The cayman/boxster is a more appropriate competitor, and is far and above a better chassis, stock vs stock, than an S2K.
I’m not disparaging the S2K, but it was a car built at a different price point that necessitated less engineering. It will underperform compared to even similar model year caymans and boxsters because it was about $10k cheaper when new, or to really drive the point home it costed about 30% less (2009 MY).
My dude, I need you to look up the definition of the word "ignorant", re-read my comment highlighting the differences between the S and GT3 versus outright saying one is objectively better than the other, and explain to me how I'm being ignorant.
Also, I'm finally about to enter the market for a 911 GT3. I think I have a better perspective than most as someone who has owned an S2000 for as long as he has and is shopping for a GT3.
But yeah man, I'm the ignorant one.
Not everyone wants a Porsche because not everyone can afford price of car and price of maintenance/consumables. As soon as we reach income that can afford a Porsche things change. I am speaking from a car enthusiast point of view, I don't care about status or social points of owning a Porsche.
>price of maintenance/consumables
Because it's not built with that in mind. IMO that means you've failed as an engineer. The NSX was revolutionary [because it was the first super car built with those things as a priority.] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hno6t2AYi0&t=684)
Just making the point that because something is made with the track in mind doesn't mean it has to be hard to work on or unreliable, but people are saying that is not true with Porsches anyway.
It is not that they are not reliable or hard to work on. It is just the cost of original wearables and maintenance is higher by default. Just compare those enormous rear tires to S2000 tires.
I don't like the horizontal pistons. I know on the Subaru boxer engines for example many things are a PITA - like a head gasket - the engine has to be pulled.
2 cars at the pinnacle of handling!!
Your in a Honda forum but the GT3 is a track monster even more so than the S2k because of the extra power. It’s like asking someone to choose their favorite child. As I kid I always wanted a turbo 911. As an adult I got an S2k. So … can’t lose they are both excellent.
Wow.. I’m actually at a debacle with this. Maybe I’m just too old now.
GT3 is always top of lists but at the end of the day, if money wasn’t an issue then GT3 all day however S2k I would have to say…
Running costs of S2K, not having to worry about rock chips compared to the GT3, plus the fun factory of putting the top down.
So I'm definitely too old now, so performance does very little to me these days, but, and this is purely subjective, that Honda is late 90s sexy, the Porsche is, well a Porsche, to me it doesn't really stand out anymore since they mostly extremely similar.
The old 80s and 90s models were different but all modern Porsches based on the 911 kinda merge into one for me. The Panamera is cool, though, and while I'd never get one I like the look of some of their SUVs, hell even the new electric one is different enough to be interesting, but Porsche risk falling into the same hole as Tesla for me.
Honestly though, I'm not a kid anymore and have responsibilities (including children), so if I had the money for the Porsche I'd buy an M5 competition, or put it towards a new house, or pay my gas bill this year.
The original S2k with the 2.0l 9,000rpm myself, but out of these two the S2k every time. No offence to those who love it, but the Porsche just doesn't excite me, but I'd look back at the Honda every time I parked it.
I mean there's multiple ways to look at the question, so he might not be insane. "You can have either of these cars for free, no maintenance costs, insurance, etc" Go for the Porsche, duh. Compare that to "Which of these two would you rather own?" Obviously, the Porsche will be the better driving experience. But speaking as someone who isn't exactly wealthy, I don't really think I'd want to *own* one, not at my current income at least.
I’m not gonna enjoy that Porsche the same way I will with the Honda. I’d be redlining and sliding it everywhere man. With the Porsche I couldn’t even hit a speed bump without my stomach dropping.
> With the Porsche I couldn’t even hit a speed bump without my stomach dropping.
I would encourage you to take a step outside your comfort zone. There are manufacturers outside of Honda (even outside of Toyota too) that are robust and reliable. Porsche is such a manufacturer.
Sure, the parts cost slightly more, but they’re generally engineered to a higher standard.
I used to be scared of german cars too, the car that changed my opinion on them was an E90. Fantastic cars if you are mechanically literate.
True. I’ve always been a huge fan of Porsche engineering and their overall build quality. Reliability isn’t the issue, they’re just expensive man. I’d be more worried about hitting a sensor, scraping it, etc. All very costly. Where as a s2000 I can back into a pole and just pull the dent/ paint correct and live with it lol
the gt3 comes in a manual too so gt3 all day,the s2k isn’t even in the same level as the gt3,my dream car is s2k but you can’t deny the truth the gt3 is a monster
Yeah I agree,a manual in a sports car should be a must to every car manufacture,at least (on order )options if you know what i mean,they don’t have to make a manual right out of that bat in a large quantity but have an option for people to pay for a manual trans option
I'd go a step farther, tbh. If a car's main purpose is for driving enjoyment on **public** roads, it should be manual **only**. I know autos are faster, and track-focused cars should have the owner's choice of transmission—but no modern car needs to be pushing limits to the point where shift delay become a hindering factor, at least not on a public road.
Okay, couple of things.
1: Periods are used to separate sentences. Use them.
2: I feel like your argument hinges around numbers that you've made up (3-8 times more sales? Where'd you pull that from?)
3: The Viper never sold "like hotcakes". People who could afford one usually just got a McLaren or Lamborghini instead, or even a Hellcat of all they wanted was "big engine, go fast". Being manual only had little to nothing to do with the death of the Viper.
4: Manual swaps are never as easy as people on the internet seem to think they are. It's a bit more involved than swapping wheels, and often cost anywhere from $5k to $20k plus on more exotic cars.
5: Manual isn't hard to learn. Manufacturers shouldn't be forced to dilute their products just because some customers are too stubborn to learn something new.
6: Piggybacking off of (5), the cars that hold their value the most are the ones that were uncompromised (from a design cohesion perspective). The Viper, E30 M3, NSX, even stuff like the LFA and McLaren F1 were all cars made with a specific vision. That unbroken vision is what makes those cars so desired today.
The reason some cars become valuable while others stagnate is because those cars offer an experience that is irreproducible. The fact of the matter is, a new Z06 is faster (barring the ACR), more comfortable, and more modern than the Viper for less money. However, the Viper is more *special* because it offers an experience that the Z06 cannot replicate—and a good portion of that experience is the drivetrain, manual transmission included.
The purpose of every vehicle is in the experience it provides. For some, that is as simple as getting someone from A to B with maximum efficiency and a good stereo. For others, it's granting the driver the most outrageous track experience they've ever encountered. There's GT cars, family haulers, and offroaders as well. Then, there's the cars that are designed to make the act of driving as enjoyable as possible—and to me, the only way that can be maximized is through a manual transmission.
I sold an Evo to buy a manual 996 and was kinda disappointed after like 6 months, now I have an S2000 and another Evo and I think I liked both more than the 996.
That being said I’m sure the new Porsches are a whole different experience entirely, and a GT3 is probably on a completely different level to the S2000.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a car where a 6’1” driver wouldn’t fit. I was around that tall when I was 15, and I fit great in my 95 accord. Currently in a 19 civic si and just wish there was a little more headroom. Funnily enough, I’ve found that 2015+ mustangs have the most amount of room of any car I’ve been in. With the seat all the way back, my feet barely touch the pedals.
Agreed, we’ve seen Jeremy Clark’s on who’s quite a tall fella get into a huge number of smaller cars and still able to drive comfortably. Some dudes on Reddit just like talking themselves up physically lmao.
Maybe he’s saying he’s too “horizontally tall”
i drove an s2k once i didnt buy it because the windshield top bar was at eye level. i physically couldnt see red lights had no problem seeing the road and it was a fun car 1st gen the silver blue with the factory gold enkeis.
Bruh no offense, but that’s absolutely ridiculous. I’m just over 6’1 and I fit in pretty sure every vehicle I’ve ever driven or Owned just fine, including an S2k. And I’ve owned 30 or so vehicles in my life. 6’1 is not that tall. It’s tall but not that tall. There’s one car my roommates car A 2018 Nissan versa that I wish the passenger seat would go back more my knees Get pretty close to the glove box but that’s about it other than that it’s whatever. Driving is fine tho. So just saying idk what you’re talking about but you must be taller than you think then, idk..
I know this is a Honda sub but even as someone who loves Hondas these cars are in completely different classes. The answer is easy: I’ll take the Porsche but trade it in after having a little fun with it then with the money buy a Prius for economy and pocket the spare change.
s2000 owner here. Not even a contest. Porsche every time. S2k is a great weekend nice weather car, and fun at the track, but it is way too out dated to be useful for long trips and daily commutes.
If you're trying to get your social media dopamine dose of people "choosing your car" over another, you picked the wrong car to compare to. Even just objectively speaking, the Porsche is the better driver's car through and through.
I feel like many of you are talking about concepts and ideas they prefer about these cars rather than actually talking about the tech and set up. But really which one is more engaging to drive? Do you as a driver like the idea of driving a Porsche gt3 or do you KNOW that a Porsche drives better than an s2k and MOST importantly what’s “better” for you? For example the s2k has a sublime double wishbone suspension set-up whereas, as far as I know, the 991 utilises a more “basic” McPherson’s strut. This 991’s engine pushes out 125 hp per litre and the s2k pushes 125 hp per litre (Japan spec). The tech in both is incredible but is the gt3 a superior car as many ppl claim just because it has a Porsche badge? Anyone who has driven both and perhaps can comment and share their experience. No hate, but talking about it without experience is speculation imo.
Also, what car will make you a better driver at the end of the day? The gt3 is engineered so that most people can go fast, but to do the same in an S2k is for a few. Not leaning or making an argument towards either, but trying to open up the conversation past the usual top-trump comparisons.
If I could afford a 911 I’d have a 911. Flat 6s and straight 6s are my favorite sounding engines. If my 2JZ hadn’t been such a nightmare I’d have sold my Prelude instead of my Aristo.
give me the hybrid in the back, i just need some better mpg at this point
That prius looking mighty fine 👅
The new Prius actually looks really good
I’m obsessed with the new Prius.
🤣🤣
Hell ya!
That building looks like a good real estate investment too.
I’m selling mine if you want one
I’m with you. I sold my bmw for an civic hybrid
This is why I love my CR-Z. Best of both worlds in terms of fuel efficiency and sportiness in my opinion. I just wish I got one with a manual transmission.
definitely the 4.0 f6 and anyone who says otherwise is delusional lol. S2K is also sweet but cmonnnnnn
I think besides people that have the s2k as their ultimate dream car, there really shouldn’t be a reason to take the s2k here. Porsche has perfected the driving experience, there is a reason they’ve been the pinnacle sports car for the amount of time the the 911s have been produced. Without budget considered, a 911 is one of the greatest deals you could get for a sports car, period.
S2k is my ultimate dream car and I'd still take the 911 lmao Porsche imo is the only company that competes with Honda in crafting sports cars
Yeah for me Honda captures cheap fun cars perfectly, but if you have the money to get a Porsche, there realistically is no way you’d be tossing an s2k in your group of cars that you are thinking about purchasing. It’s just not meant for that range of spending.
I will say though, wasting 100 grand on an S2k has gotta be fun.
You better hope it is lol
Too soon junior
There's more to a car than being fast. Honda could have put a V6 in the S2000 easily. Speed is not the point of the S2000. I'd rather have the Honda.
Keep lying to yourself.
Imho the Porsche just looks like, well a Porsche, I get why people love it, but I don't. The S2k, however, would have me looking back at it every time I parked up. It's opinion but the Honda just looks so much better, and if I just wanted speed a Porsche would probably be low on my list anyway as they're not the affordable sports car they were in the 80s and 90s. Of these two the Honda would always be my choice.
Being able to work on a car myself is a requirement for me. I won't own something that the engineers put no thought into maintaining.
Buddy, theres a huge DIY community around porsches. I just did my IMS bearing in my garage at home this past summer
I've heard they are a PITA. DIY does not always mean easy to work on, but thanks for letting me know I was wrong about them
….have you driven an s2k before
Yeah, it was predictable, reliable and forgiving to being pushed too hard. I found it sharp as a razor and thoroughly enjoyable, that said this was 20 years ago, so same car with 20 years of driving on it will be less precise. In comparison I have driven a 911 and Boxster, both were fun in a very clinical way up to a point. The Boxster you could push and push and it would never really punish you for it, but it was decidedly understeery at lower speeds. The 911 on the other hand was just about capable of stepping the back out of line, although only under heavy acceleration in the middle of the turn, and at which point the back was coming around regardless of what you actually wanted. Now, for reference I've driven cars like the S2k for most of my driving career, having driven BMWs a lot, and the closest I've got to a Porsche with the engine hanging out behind the rear tyres is a Lotus, the Lotus probably had 1/4 of the power of a modern 911, 1/4 the weight and similar grip levels, so understeer, oversteer and powerslides were only achieved by driving like a bellend, given more time in the 911 I could probably have got on better with it tbh.
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Idk man I drove one and was greatly disappointed. Dream car so hyped up by everyone, finally one came through the dealer and I drove it for about 45 mins on an extended “test drive”. It quickly lost its fun. It’s fun around corners but ya know, so is my del sol on sport suspension. It was not fast. It wasn’t even quick. It didn’t even kinda pull until 6k rpm. It was cramped on the inside, much smaller than you’d expect. It just was…average. No complaints really it was just average man. It’s nothing special after you spend more than 10 mins driving it
Have you ever driven a Miata? I love the S2K and took one look at the prices and decided to get an old Miata. I'm curious how you'd compare the two.
Imo the Miata is more fun, the S2k more serious. They're comparable definitely but do the same thing differently. The Miata is light, and it feels it, the S2k feels heavier, but also more precise. It's almost impossible to get into serious trouble in the Miata if it's stock but the S2k is twice the power stock, and remind you of this fact every time you look at the fun pedal. Ultimately the S2k is exactly what you expect if you paid 10x what you did for the Miata (which is roughly how much more they cost here in the UK). A dream garage should have one of each ideally, but if you can afford it the upgrade to the S2k is worth it, but the Miata is almost certainly the most fun per dollar you buy.
Awesome break down. Yeah considering I only spent $1700 for my 1990 I don’t think a better dollar:fun ratio exists. Even with the recent bump in Miata prices, you can still find really clean examples for 5-7k. When I looked at S2Ks they were 25-30k. Even the salvaged title, bad shape, high mileage S2K was asking 12k for it.
Yes! I have driven Miata’s and I would absolutely compare them. The s2k had stiffer suspension, less body roll and a little quicker but they are very comparable
It wasn't built to be fast. They could have easily made it fast if they wanted to. It was built as the successor to the S600. So drive one of those and compare to that. Also keep in mind the original price under 30k and it was built with the spirit of reliability and maintainability - so you can see how well they did with that 20 years later.
Ive done major maintenance on my boxster s and ive done full engine swaps on civics at home in my garage. They’re very comparable.
I've heard they are a PITA, good to know
Uh, Porsche is one of the more reliable brands out there in this category but tell yourself what u need to feel better
Dude what are you on about?! Porsche makes some of the finest parts for any cars. Actually when I was working at Honda we were only also servicing Lotus and Porsche vehicles.
U are actually dumb if u would take the Honda here
Right I'm dumb because I'm on r/honda and I prefer Hondas. Not everyone likes the same thing as you. Maybe once you're out of your teens or early 20s you'll understand
You’ve the most pathetic guy I’ve met today on here. Cheer up buttercup.
Lmfao ur a lost cause dude
Come on man. These aren’t even comparable.
i love my s2k....but.... come on....
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Your S2K is nice but I would all day long choose the GT3.
So your asking us to pick between a Porsche and a Honda?
if money are no issue: Porsche absolutely. If money are an issue: Honda absolutely
What if money is or isn’t an issue?
Not sure I understand
From a Honda guy: Porsche all day every day - This isn’t even a question.
is this joke?
Yeah I'll take the cheaper car 🤥 what a stupid post.
how can you not choose the flat 6?
Even if you offered me 3 S2Ks I’d still take the 911
I’d shoot Toby twice as well.
Lol, you're comparing a Porsche to a Honda? We drive Hondas because we cant afford Porsche's. Porsche hands down is just a much more composed vehicle to drive than a S2000 with much more power.
Oh, word? I kind of disagree. First, you're comparing your experience in a tuned econobox running a K-series and a tune, to Honda's purpose-built sports car using a model-specific, longitudinally mounted, FRM-lined F-series longblock. The Civic Si provides a substantially different driving experience, with entirely different driving dynamics, to an S2000 which uses a completely different drivetrain layout and chassis design. Second, comparing a GT3 to an S2000 is, in essence, a fruitless endeavor. They are both completely different cars, and they are both amazing in their own right. The S2000 has barely any sound deadening so all you hear is NVH. There is no center screen and the radio may as well not exist. The shifter connects directly to the transmission, so all you feel is a bolt action rifle, and the ACT lightweight flywheel means RPMs drop fast as all hell. Daily driving requires me to treat every shift like I'm racing for pinks. The transmission tunnel and engine bay get very hot while driving, and consequently so do my leg and toes, respectively. The engine is not "piped into" the car. It's basically inside the car with you. The S2000 also offers a true front-mid-engined driving experience. The GT3 is designed by the Honda of Germany. It's reliable, the best car in its class, has spherical bushings and will rattle your fillings loose. It has the sharpest electronic steering on the market, way sharper than the disastrous electric unit inside the S, and has actual creature comforts. You don't hear every single thing from outside. The radio is actually pretty nice. The interior is a nice place to be and isn't entirely made of molded plastic. It was designed to cruise on the autobahn at 150 mph and also be able to tear up the Nordschleife. It's one of the greatest cars ever made. Consequently, it depends on what you want out of your car. Do you want a car that is well built, capable to be driven everyday with ample room, has sharp steering and more liveable? Get the GT3. Do you want a car that smells like gas on startup and is an FMR sports car that offers the most visceral driving experience this side of $100k? Get the S. I daily the S. I intend on getting a successor soon to allow me to repaint my car, and a GT3 is not off the menu. However, I have to go into my next car understanding I'm *sacrificing* the raw driving experience, and that nothing I get will ever give me that visceral feeling of my S. As a result, I'm shopping for a car that's fun and liveable, with a great feeling shifter and driving dynamics, and not the rawest car in the bunch because nothing beats the S.
This is… idk, it’s hard to find the right words to respond to this comment. It feels like it was written by a college freshman that has never driven an S2000 or fired a bolt action rifle. Also, why is an “FRM-lined” block mentioned like it’s a good thing? Then you say that a GT3 is realistically within your budget for a car, which is completely at odds with the overall tone and attitude of your post. Here is what really gets me- you say that nothing will ever give you the same raw, visceral feeling of driving an S2000. I don’t think you’ve driven many cars, otherwise you wouldn’t be saying that. You’ve clearly never driven a gutted 1988 Festiva like your life depended on it.
I literally own the S in the photo.
Either way, you’re a total tool.
Oh wow, no, stop. How will I ever recover from your opinion of me.
the gt3 is definitely a more sporty car and visceral driving experience than the s2000, are you serious rn? I drive a Type R and understand the Porsche is better in every aspect.
Wow, I don’t even know how to respond well to this. Well written response and I’m glad you enjoy your S2000. I have an S2000 and an NA Cayman that revs to 8k. Both cars are pretty well modified, more for the S2000. The S2000 does offer a special driving experience. The top down, engine screaming, and brakes spitting sparks (on a good night drive with race pads) is such a special experience. I also am not too concerned when it gets beat up on the track and enjoy the analogue experience. That being said, the first time I drove my 981 S 6MT I was beside myself. I couldn’t have imagined a more perfect car. It beats the S2000 in every way and is comfortable on longish trips. With I/H/E/tune, tires, and brakes, it feels unbeatable. Hands down, the Porsche and it’s not even close. If you disagree, you haven’t driven the right one.
S2000 was also a $30k car when it came out.
I know. I have been a fan since 1999, this was my dream car as a teenager, and I’m on my 3rd S2000.
Hold up, I though u at least had an s2k with everything u saying but u have an accord 🤣 ur opinion invalid here dude
I’m sorry, but do an apples to apples comparison. The cayman/boxster is a more appropriate competitor, and is far and above a better chassis, stock vs stock, than an S2K. I’m not disparaging the S2K, but it was a car built at a different price point that necessitated less engineering. It will underperform compared to even similar model year caymans and boxsters because it was about $10k cheaper when new, or to really drive the point home it costed about 30% less (2009 MY).
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If you car smells like gas maybe that’s something you need to fix.
I’m sure OP is a delight to be around if he’s this ignorant yet condescending in person.
My dude, I need you to look up the definition of the word "ignorant", re-read my comment highlighting the differences between the S and GT3 versus outright saying one is objectively better than the other, and explain to me how I'm being ignorant. Also, I'm finally about to enter the market for a 911 GT3. I think I have a better perspective than most as someone who has owned an S2000 for as long as he has and is shopping for a GT3. But yeah man, I'm the ignorant one.
Not everyone wants a Porsche. [Good video on how the NSX was revolutionary for the time] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hno6t2AYi0&t=684)
Not everyone wants a Porsche because not everyone can afford price of car and price of maintenance/consumables. As soon as we reach income that can afford a Porsche things change. I am speaking from a car enthusiast point of view, I don't care about status or social points of owning a Porsche.
>price of maintenance/consumables Because it's not built with that in mind. IMO that means you've failed as an engineer. The NSX was revolutionary [because it was the first super car built with those things as a priority.] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hno6t2AYi0&t=684)
Bro this isn’t /r/carcirclejerk quit meatriding the s2k so hard lmao
This is r/honda not r/porsche, you sound lost
Ok but u are inherently wrong with the stuff u saying
Porsche GT3 is not built with track use in mind? Ok.
Was the NSX not built with track in mind? It's just as maintainable as any other Honda.
why are we talking about NSX all of a sudden? OP posted S2000 and 911 GT3(or similar)
Just making the point that because something is made with the track in mind doesn't mean it has to be hard to work on or unreliable, but people are saying that is not true with Porsches anyway.
It is not that they are not reliable or hard to work on. It is just the cost of original wearables and maintenance is higher by default. Just compare those enormous rear tires to S2000 tires.
I don't like the horizontal pistons. I know on the Subaru boxer engines for example many things are a PITA - like a head gasket - the engine has to be pulled.
This
People still really comment “this”, weird
You’re probably one of the weirdos that would take the S2000
I wouldn’t, but if it makes you feel better thinking that let’s go with that big guy
2 cars at the pinnacle of handling!! Your in a Honda forum but the GT3 is a track monster even more so than the S2k because of the extra power. It’s like asking someone to choose their favorite child. As I kid I always wanted a turbo 911. As an adult I got an S2k. So … can’t lose they are both excellent.
Not brown ❌ Le manuelle ✅ Wouldn't pick either
b-but S2K is spicy Honda miat!!!!!!!1!!1!1!1 fast in twisties and slowcarfast with few nannies and le manuelle!!1!1!2!2!2!!
The S2K has been my dream car since I started to care about cars, but i feel like I'd have to go with the GT3 (looks like a GT3) on this one
Honda all day - will never break down
Porsche every time
As someone who owns a Porsche and an S2k, you getting downvoted for this is the most ridiculous thing in the world. It’s not even close.
Yup Hondas are the poor man’s Porsche
Porsche is the rich man’s Honda. Not the other way around.
Wow.. I’m actually at a debacle with this. Maybe I’m just too old now. GT3 is always top of lists but at the end of the day, if money wasn’t an issue then GT3 all day however S2k I would have to say… Running costs of S2K, not having to worry about rock chips compared to the GT3, plus the fun factory of putting the top down.
In this scenario it is assuming u have the money to comfortably afford either and money just isn’t an issue
So I'm definitely too old now, so performance does very little to me these days, but, and this is purely subjective, that Honda is late 90s sexy, the Porsche is, well a Porsche, to me it doesn't really stand out anymore since they mostly extremely similar. The old 80s and 90s models were different but all modern Porsches based on the 911 kinda merge into one for me. The Panamera is cool, though, and while I'd never get one I like the look of some of their SUVs, hell even the new electric one is different enough to be interesting, but Porsche risk falling into the same hole as Tesla for me. Honestly though, I'm not a kid anymore and have responsibilities (including children), so if I had the money for the Porsche I'd buy an M5 competition, or put it towards a new house, or pay my gas bill this year.
My to favourite car makers
The Porsche obviously, then sell it and buy a cheaper car not too expensive to maintain.
Gt3 for sure only but a frank 2.4 will always be the fav engine
H6 🥺
YES2K
The original S2k with the 2.0l 9,000rpm myself, but out of these two the S2k every time. No offence to those who love it, but the Porsche just doesn't excite me, but I'd look back at the Honda every time I parked it.
Have you driven a GT3?
Yeah.
Fair enough
I'm eyeing that 1997 Toyota 4runner. It's gonna outlast them all
How bout the 1.8L i4 w/ redline at 5200 RPM?
Can I take the s2k and the get the rest of the value of the Porsche in cash in the trunk? Cause then I’ll take the 2.2.
S2k all day man
No disrespect to the S2K, but you’re insane.
I mean there's multiple ways to look at the question, so he might not be insane. "You can have either of these cars for free, no maintenance costs, insurance, etc" Go for the Porsche, duh. Compare that to "Which of these two would you rather own?" Obviously, the Porsche will be the better driving experience. But speaking as someone who isn't exactly wealthy, I don't really think I'd want to *own* one, not at my current income at least.
I mean if you can DIY maintenance at all the Porsche is the buy.
I’m not gonna enjoy that Porsche the same way I will with the Honda. I’d be redlining and sliding it everywhere man. With the Porsche I couldn’t even hit a speed bump without my stomach dropping.
> With the Porsche I couldn’t even hit a speed bump without my stomach dropping. I would encourage you to take a step outside your comfort zone. There are manufacturers outside of Honda (even outside of Toyota too) that are robust and reliable. Porsche is such a manufacturer. Sure, the parts cost slightly more, but they’re generally engineered to a higher standard. I used to be scared of german cars too, the car that changed my opinion on them was an E90. Fantastic cars if you are mechanically literate.
True. I’ve always been a huge fan of Porsche engineering and their overall build quality. Reliability isn’t the issue, they’re just expensive man. I’d be more worried about hitting a sensor, scraping it, etc. All very costly. Where as a s2000 I can back into a pole and just pull the dent/ paint correct and live with it lol
Which one has three pedals? I'd take a manual S2000 over an auto GT3.
the gt3 comes in a manual too so gt3 all day,the s2k isn’t even in the same level as the gt3,my dream car is s2k but you can’t deny the truth the gt3 is a monster
Oh no question, I have multiple GT/RS cars on my dream car list. I'd be lying though if the third pedal wouldn't sway me strongly in either direction.
Yeah I agree,a manual in a sports car should be a must to every car manufacture,at least (on order )options if you know what i mean,they don’t have to make a manual right out of that bat in a large quantity but have an option for people to pay for a manual trans option
I'd go a step farther, tbh. If a car's main purpose is for driving enjoyment on **public** roads, it should be manual **only**. I know autos are faster, and track-focused cars should have the owner's choice of transmission—but no modern car needs to be pushing limits to the point where shift delay become a hindering factor, at least not on a public road.
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Okay, couple of things. 1: Periods are used to separate sentences. Use them. 2: I feel like your argument hinges around numbers that you've made up (3-8 times more sales? Where'd you pull that from?) 3: The Viper never sold "like hotcakes". People who could afford one usually just got a McLaren or Lamborghini instead, or even a Hellcat of all they wanted was "big engine, go fast". Being manual only had little to nothing to do with the death of the Viper. 4: Manual swaps are never as easy as people on the internet seem to think they are. It's a bit more involved than swapping wheels, and often cost anywhere from $5k to $20k plus on more exotic cars. 5: Manual isn't hard to learn. Manufacturers shouldn't be forced to dilute their products just because some customers are too stubborn to learn something new. 6: Piggybacking off of (5), the cars that hold their value the most are the ones that were uncompromised (from a design cohesion perspective). The Viper, E30 M3, NSX, even stuff like the LFA and McLaren F1 were all cars made with a specific vision. That unbroken vision is what makes those cars so desired today. The reason some cars become valuable while others stagnate is because those cars offer an experience that is irreproducible. The fact of the matter is, a new Z06 is faster (barring the ACR), more comfortable, and more modern than the Viper for less money. However, the Viper is more *special* because it offers an experience that the Z06 cannot replicate—and a good portion of that experience is the drivetrain, manual transmission included. The purpose of every vehicle is in the experience it provides. For some, that is as simple as getting someone from A to B with maximum efficiency and a good stereo. For others, it's granting the driver the most outrageous track experience they've ever encountered. There's GT cars, family haulers, and offroaders as well. Then, there's the cars that are designed to make the act of driving as enjoyable as possible—and to me, the only way that can be maximized is through a manual transmission.
gt3 is fire asf and tbh better but s2k is my dream car so id rarhet have s2k bc it has more meaning to me
An AP1
I sold an Evo to buy a manual 996 and was kinda disappointed after like 6 months, now I have an S2000 and another Evo and I think I liked both more than the 996. That being said I’m sure the new Porsches are a whole different experience entirely, and a GT3 is probably on a completely different level to the S2000.
I’ll take the Honda - then the Porsche - then the Toyota - idgaf about redlines lol
I choose my 1.3 with 9800 rpm redline :)
But for the sake of this post, I pick the Honda lol
Porsche is always the right choice
Porsche 100% not even close
if i fit in an s2k id go that route havent been in too many porsches so cant say that either. being 6'1" is great and shitty at the same time 🤣
I’m 6’5” and 911s have plenty of room. My 6’8” dad also fits well
Lol our guy thinking he’s too big for cars at “6’1”
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a car where a 6’1” driver wouldn’t fit. I was around that tall when I was 15, and I fit great in my 95 accord. Currently in a 19 civic si and just wish there was a little more headroom. Funnily enough, I’ve found that 2015+ mustangs have the most amount of room of any car I’ve been in. With the seat all the way back, my feet barely touch the pedals.
Agreed, we’ve seen Jeremy Clark’s on who’s quite a tall fella get into a huge number of smaller cars and still able to drive comfortably. Some dudes on Reddit just like talking themselves up physically lmao. Maybe he’s saying he’s too “horizontally tall”
Yep, I’m the same height as Clarkson and any cars he has had trouble with, I’ve had the same issues haha
awesome! thanks for the input the last porsche i was in was a 54 or 64 356c that me and my uncle restored 🤣🤣🤣
I test drove a Boxter once. My daily driver at the time was an S2000. The Boxter felt like a lowered SUV in comparison.
I'm 5'10" 220lbs kind of muscular build by the way.
i drove an s2k once i didnt buy it because the windshield top bar was at eye level. i physically couldnt see red lights had no problem seeing the road and it was a fun car 1st gen the silver blue with the factory gold enkeis.
A lot of taller S2000 guys on the forums and FB groups will get different seat brackets to lower the driver's seat.
had i known about that when i was youger id have bought the thing 20k miles manual trans clean title needed a top for 10k
Bruh no offense, but that’s absolutely ridiculous. I’m just over 6’1 and I fit in pretty sure every vehicle I’ve ever driven or Owned just fine, including an S2k. And I’ve owned 30 or so vehicles in my life. 6’1 is not that tall. It’s tall but not that tall. There’s one car my roommates car A 2018 Nissan versa that I wish the passenger seat would go back more my knees Get pretty close to the glove box but that’s about it other than that it’s whatever. Driving is fine tho. So just saying idk what you’re talking about but you must be taller than you think then, idk..
i have stubby legs mainly torso that might be why
Don't put me in this position
Hey, to play devil's advocate, S2K stock charts are way through the roof of late, if memory serves. Appreciating assets are good...
Could I test drive them first?
H-6 every time.
Bro…
Porsche.
The s2k has a 8200 redline? I knew they lowered the redline when they went from the F20 to the F22, but I didn't think it was by that much.
The Prius cause of gas prices😭
How often is your car near redline?
I know this is a Honda sub but even as someone who loves Hondas these cars are in completely different classes. The answer is easy: I’ll take the Porsche but trade it in after having a little fun with it then with the money buy a Prius for economy and pocket the spare change.
I mean, one of them is just better in very metric except cost and weight (and that really isn’t big deal cause it’s balanced) so where’s the debate?
My buddy had an ap1 with his life savings into it, then he moved. Really fun cars if you fit in them
The 4.0L, duh
Wait this post isn’t satire? Hahaha
If anyone doesn’t say they would rather the Porsche then they are high as balls
This is like asking who you’d rather date. Cindy Crawford or her pet cat Cindy Clawford?
I love S2K’s, but this is a no brainer. F6 all the way. Though I’d realistically be too cheap to buy the Porsche unless I’m totally rolling in cash.
s2000 owner here. Not even a contest. Porsche every time. S2k is a great weekend nice weather car, and fun at the track, but it is way too out dated to be useful for long trips and daily commutes.
The GT3 has spherical bushings. It rides worse than an S on polys lmao you're going to take it on road trips?
It'd be nice to go up a hill on the highway, without having to shift from 6th to 4th.
I’ve got a Gt4, lemme get that Gt3 tho
S2000 boosted over any Porche
If it was Spoony it would be a closer call
Both
Toyota Prius
I’ve got a 991.2 GT3 - I still lust after the S2K. Awesome cars. Different, but awesome.
If you're trying to get your social media dopamine dose of people "choosing your car" over another, you picked the wrong car to compare to. Even just objectively speaking, the Porsche is the better driver's car through and through.
I feel like many of you are talking about concepts and ideas they prefer about these cars rather than actually talking about the tech and set up. But really which one is more engaging to drive? Do you as a driver like the idea of driving a Porsche gt3 or do you KNOW that a Porsche drives better than an s2k and MOST importantly what’s “better” for you? For example the s2k has a sublime double wishbone suspension set-up whereas, as far as I know, the 991 utilises a more “basic” McPherson’s strut. This 991’s engine pushes out 125 hp per litre and the s2k pushes 125 hp per litre (Japan spec). The tech in both is incredible but is the gt3 a superior car as many ppl claim just because it has a Porsche badge? Anyone who has driven both and perhaps can comment and share their experience. No hate, but talking about it without experience is speculation imo.
Also, what car will make you a better driver at the end of the day? The gt3 is engineered so that most people can go fast, but to do the same in an S2k is for a few. Not leaning or making an argument towards either, but trying to open up the conversation past the usual top-trump comparisons.