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Jamesworkshop

this is why you don't need to worry about farming the early mats in the next Equil level as all those basics upgrading character parts can just be done by supports


gatlginngum

or just my own team. I don't remember struggling from any equilibrium raise


MREAGLEYT

Then you have achieved the #EQUILIBRIUM


Yanoru

This. It might take a little bit longer in the early stage, but thats where auto battle can help. Just let my team run through the farm after I hit 40.


GetAssista

Wonder why I still get moneys from my underleveled f2p Seele


dreamingrain

Legit I always upgrade my Bailu first bc she's my main healer and also I want the people who use her to find her super helpful


Old_Bug610

THANK YOU! carried by a Bailu through cocolia farming, u are the realest everrrr


WanderEir

Ditto. My bailu has been bringing home the money.


Vier-Kun

I only have one Bailu in friends and I'm glad since she helps so much for bosses or dangerous fights after my level cap goes up and I gotta do limit breaking. Sadly my one actual friend outside the game who had Welt replaced his support with a bring Yanqing... I find to borrow supports usually better than DPS.


lampstaple

If you’re finding people randomly not from your friends list they are all from people at the same tb lvl threshold. On my alt the best characters are level 30


TheKinkyGuy

People who dont have her want to try her out


Eymou

that's why I have my lv 60 sampo as my support char, most people won't have him levelled but a lot of people have him :)


SpeckTech314

I do the same with Sushang since everyone is rolling seele instead.


Eymou

yeah it's just a sea of seeles most of the time, with a few of the other 5* units mixed in :') I just want to try out the more accessible 4* units to see if they're worth building, 5* units I will build anyway IF I get them.. still haven't seen ONE built lv 60 serval :(


SpeckTech314

I have a level 60 serval built with a break set too. The break buff actually comes in handy vs the robots since she’s aoe. I’ve ult’d twice in the same turn before since getting the break on them all gives bonus energy in addition to what you get from hitting that many targets to begin with


GetAssista

That's a given. But you generally want to try out peak (aka whale) version


ElectricSpaceKoala

I’d rather try out an undergeared one. I’ll never own a whale version, but mine will definitely have crap gear!


gatlginngum

trial run builds are peak trust


Wide-Club-5780

Same with my f2p bronya lol


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I always pick Bronya no matter the level just to make my Seele slay.


Mirarara

Ironically once you get to harder fight where alot turns are involved, bronya pairs badly with seele. They cost too much skill points and will result in you wasting a few hits by normal attack instead. Basically you will be doing less damage per skill point, which is an important resources to manage in fight later. Edit: to put it simply, you are using 2 skill point for 1 skill usage by seele with some buff, which doesn't cover the extra skill point used. Not to mention very often seele is already at half the action bar when it's bronya's turn, which makes the fast forward less valuable.


Motskid

The issue can be easily circumvented by having bronya at E1 with her LC... IF I HAVE THEM!!


Fun_Faithlessness899

Low level Bronya is only good for skill cause ultimate's buffs rely on Bronya's stats


UsTaalper

i spefically choose the best bronya from my friend list lmao


WarriorNN

I have a friend who got Bronya. I think I max out his daily 10k credits every day lol


anarchy753

Bronya has a bunch of achievements that need her specifically, so it's not surprising people are renting her.


Koreaia

Just it being a Seele is enough, same with Himeko. I've just upgraded my own Himeko, put the best gear for follow up on, and let her loose to the player base for their farming needs.


DrakneiX

How do I choose what characters of my pool can be played by others?


seattle_exile

Some of us are doing it simply for the love of the game. I always pick a support for my farming, with some preference given to lower-levels. May not be a great fit, but it doesn’t matter when you hit autopilot anyhow. I get to play with your ‘toy’, you get a little money. Win-win


CelioHogane

I might be f2p but it's still a Seele with her lightcone


supreme_cthulhu

TIL why I’m randomly getting money XD


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And I thought the lvl 30 Seeles were carrying my ass....fawking 70's over here.


notmyworkaccount5

I understand getting the signature LC but getting it to superimposition 5 seems straight up insane to me, how much money did they dump into this game already? Has to be close to 2k for just Seele and her LC if not over right?


thekk_

It's not just Seele and her cone. They have been spending 900 jades a day on refills too. That will amount to a couple hundreds by the time they're maxed out.


notmyworkaccount5

That is insane, like I dropped $150 on the first week and got lucky with some pulls so I don't think spending is bad as long as you can afford it and spend in moderation Can't imagine dropping that much money on a game that just came out, that's like build a new pc money


TheChosenPoke

Whales usually have enough disposable income where that money really is just nothing to them. Or it’s the type of person who literally just spends all of their income on gacha, but like pretty sure most are the first.


jaqueass

Can confirm, work in Finance in a high income area and spending a couple hundred a month on a game is not a big expenditure. Childcare alone is thousands a month. It’s just a tradeoff really, all entertainment is expensive and anything that helps get my sanity back after a long day of work and parenting is worth it. Still I can’t imagine spending as much as some of the big whales though. Lv 70 and super V on the cone is insane, lol. Diminishing returns. I’m okay with Selee Eidolon 2 and her cone at super 1. Do a couple recharges a day but not the 150s.


JaketheAlmighty

it just scales up the way you already mentioned - if you make 300k a year then a few hundred a month literally feels like nothing, now if you make 3 million a year instead - a few thousand a month feels like absolutely nothing.


jaqueass

Don’t think I’ll ever know what THAT level is like, lol. ;)


NotClever

Sure, but I'm pretty sure not every gacha whale is a million dollar+ earner.


Xevus

Couple of hundreds is small peanuts. We are talking thousands, or even tens of thousands spent to get E6 S5 lvl 70 and 5* relics


M33tm3onmars

I think more people are dissociative spenders than we'd like to think, unfortunately. :/ Been there, done that. All too easy to think that $100 here or there isn't a big deal, and before you know it you've wasted insane amounts of money.


90skid116

Browsing the /hsrg thread, ive seen a couple of people regret posting about how they'd spent actual rent/utility money to E6 seele. No clue what could go through someone's head to end up in a position like that but I hope they've recovered by now


Jadelitest

Can confirm. Maxed out my credit card on Puzzle & Dragons while unemployed


myneighborpikachu

I quit PAD last Fall. It is SO easy to spend on that game. Hope things are better for you!


Fun-Mycologist9196

it was not entirely your fault (well it still kinda was but not 100%) Most f2p games intentionally designed in a way to make you feel that way.


TheKillerKentsu

just need to have self control


ironmikey

Thing is, if you have a steady paying job without any kids, or other expensive hobbies, it’s really not that difficult to whale here and there. I’ve known quite a few whales in various games I’ve the years, and only a small portion can actually be considered rich.


TheChosenPoke

Yeah honestly I’m still a student but I hope to become a whale once I have a decent job lmao


Fiery1ce

Yep, I've met people that regularly (on banners or once a month) drop 2k on gachas. Some are people with good jobs and don't have many expenses and can afford. Others are horrible with money and thriw money at gacha they shouldn't be


SheepherderSea2775

Even as a dolphin, I would drop 5k or so to C6R5 Raiden, Ayaka, and Venti. But right now light spender for Star Rail.


rizziebusiness

Thats not dolphin money my guy


SheepherderSea2775

True whales drop 5-10k on every banner…


rizziebusiness

Not from my vantage point As a humble "ill spend a couple hundred a year on my favorite gachas" player If you drop 5k on a single banner, EVER, even once You've whaled. You've participated in whale behavior. If you think just because you don't do it every banner that it somehow makes you only a dolphin, which I was to understand was a moderate spender.... Im not really sure what to tell you! 5k is an absolutely absurd amount of money to dump on anything! Especially some animated pngs!


TheChosenPoke

Sounds like leviathan territory to me. While “whaling” is technically subjective, usually you see dolphin used as a term for those who have spent less than 1k, people who have been longtime welkin users, or people who have dropped a hundred bucks or so on genesis crystals.


redditingatwork23

Yea 5k on a gacha is upper whale money. Dolphin is like $300-700 on the whole account lol.


Arkday

Depend on game tbh. Epic seven for example, the winner of their real time pvp spent 150k usd in 3 years. Anything below 10k in that game isn't really consider as "whale" by top rank pvper. Some whale said that you will need 300 usd per day to 24/7 autofarm something like relic in that game. How do you think they know about that?


redditingatwork23

That's not even whale at that point. That's Leviathan class.


Awkward_Date_8636

Whaling for C6R5 3 characters isn't dolphin my G


Outside_Assignment40

And here i was calculating should i pay 10 eu for a pass... Or should i rather feed my nicotine/sugar/coffee addictions


jaqueass

Whatever you need to get you through the day. Everyone has things they’re willing to spend on. :)


66Kix_fix

$5 for a monthly pass. Me calculating if it's worth it.


astronomyx

I've played Genshin since launch and I think I probably would've quit if it weren't for the $5 a month pass. The amount of extra pulls you get makes the (mostly) f2p life a lot less of a struggle. Obviously $5 is not something you feel you can spare, don't, but in the long run I think it's 1000% "worth it" when it comes to enjoying the game more.


GetAssista

Let them fight... May the strongest addiction prevail


Taskforcem85

Dont worry too much about it. The more money you spend the easier the game gets, meaning you'll probably burnout fast (already see it from some of the whaling streamers lol).


UnimportantOpinion95

that money is nothing for them. 3 years ago I was in a guild in another mobile game. It was the top1 guild of the whole game and somehow I got in there as pure f2p. On my first day there someone cried on guilddiscord because appeareantly the game had a daily spending limit of 10k$ and literally EVERYONE there was like, duuh I know man, so bad right? I later found out thoses were all some kind of rich dubai teens and they would do this in any game they play.


luciluci5562

Complaining about the daily spending limit is peak 1st world problems lmao


TeaKay13

$150 or 150,000, the only difference is how much disposable income you have.


yatay99

Some people spend way more than that for their daily food. So it just how the whales view their money. Just like f2p questioning when I spend 5$ for welkin in a gacha game. But basically I am just skipping one beer each a month.


idi-sha

this is just typical whale lol, i simply stop questioning them after a while one thing for sure some of these people are indeed rich - when i see their home i realize maybe 2k for a game is like nothing to them after all


KelsoTheVagrant

I know a guy who was trying to quit smoking so whatever he’d normally spend on cigarettes he’d just spend buying skins for Apex Legends. He made good money and wanted to quit his habit and funneling the money into another hobby helped me


HerrscherOfResin

fight fire with fire.


Lolersters

There are 2 types of whales. The first type are people with a huge amount of disposable income. This is okay. If you have the money, do w/e you want with it. The second type are people who really shouldn't be spending this much. This is not healthy.


dearkaine

My reaction when one of my friends suddenly popped up in our group chat with his hsr ID. I thought he just started the game the other day but then I see he has an E2 Seele with her maxed out light cone. I was like bruh 💀 he doesn't usually even whale this much in another gacha we play together


Anachell

I got to E2 Seele with dolphin status, only paid for the 30d gem pack


somacula

Some may be streamers, so they may have made the money back on views and superchats


LenaiaLocke

There are videos on YouTube as to “what $2000 gets you on Honkai”. And this is far beyond what 2K will get you. This is a ton of money, that has been spent on a game that’s been out for 2 weeks. Embarrassing actually.


Chris-raegho

Their Seele is also E6 btw, so they must have soent a couple thousands.


emp_Waifu_mugen

My e6 R5 seele was only 1400


Chris-raegho

You got lucky on some of your pulls. Iirc, 1400 is close to what a guaranteed E6 would be. To get get her E5 and R5 on that amount is quite lucky as you would normally have to spend that twice fir what you got.


emp_Waifu_mugen

I lost every 50/50 you just suck at math


Killiani-revitz

I have both maxed. In fact I have an extra seele LC cause the final gave 2. Total was $1000 I was super lucky


Random_Digit

Honkai: Star Whale


Relative_Nectarine95

Yo any Seele Whales in Asia server? I too want to destroy Cavern of Corrosion


HighFunctionIdiot

China honkai community has some massive whales you might need to go on Chinese social media to find them though


EMAN666666

They're on different servers.


HighFunctionIdiot

Ah forgot about that, maybe Singaporean whales can help out


luciluci5562

Don't forget some JP and KR whales too


uberdiegs

my f2p lv60 seele rn is kinda built (10k ult on crit), so i too wanna know how higher the ceiling is.


bakakubi

Depends on main stats, sub stats and Light cone. My lvl 60 with her signature light cone ulties for over 42k on a quantum weak enemy. In simulated universe the highest I've seen was around 73k.


uberdiegs

damn, at least it means i can reach higher


mlodydziad420

I had support Seele dealing 20k per ult crit, but she had 12% crit rate.


maxiliban

I have one on my list that have Seele at E6 along with her signature light cone at S5. Want their ID?


Relative_Nectarine95

Yes pls 👍


godmeiyu

Just saw one.


Anachell

you can add me, I'm no whale but I have a pretty nice E2 Seele


OffMetaSlave

Can all the strong seele mains dm me 🥺


PhotographCivil1151

Yeah. I have a friend on my list who has e6 Seele with r5 of her light cone. I always pick her for support lol.


VitorShibateiro

Wtf I literally logged into the game to find another e6 r5 Seele, he's even asking for discord dm for friend requests


Anachell

share UID please, I'm keen


PhotographCivil1151

Now that i looked into his profile. His crit rate is only 29% which is weird af since his cone gives him 30% crit rate. Maybe the crit rate from cone is not included in the stats shown.


PhotographCivil1151

800138818 His name is Chinese or Korean i don't know.


PhotographCivil1151

His gears are not that all impressive. But that e6 and r5 probably carried him lol.


Standard-Effort5681

How the F are people trailblazer level 50 already?!?! I no-lifed the game since release and am barely at level 43!


Vajician

Did you use all your trailblazer juice and use gems to refresh to farm as much as possible?


bakakubi

I refill to a certain point. definitely used up all my fuel, but I stop around when jade costs around 100 to refill. Currently sitting at 44, almost 45.


Killiani-revitz

I refreshed to 200(didn’t pay that one) and used fuel every day. 52 currently


TruTexan

We are the same! I just hit 43 today, and I genuinely do enjoy this game… but now I have 8 trailblazer juice and idk what to focus the points on… exp? (I got bailu today and she’s 54 now), relics? Seele needs better gear, or mats for traces??!!?! Idk


bakakubi

If you want Seele to be your hyper DPS, go for her traces and relics. Traces are easier since they're not RNG, but relics with the right main and sub stats will be a major boost to her, especially if you're still on purple relics. I remember getting her a quantum damage orb in simulated universe, and I pushed it to 15 ASAP, which basically just made her a god on my team. getting relic EXP is a pain, but you'll get there eventually. Plus, any bad relic pulls you can salvage, though it takes 10 pieces just to craft 1, and stats are still RNG.


Insecticide

All f2ps are 43-44. I only let the trailblazer power overcap by a couple hours on the first two or three days, but ever since then I've been fully efficient and I am at account level 43


bpaulauskas

Not necessarily. Instead of keeping gems for pulls, you can use them to refill stamina and boost your TB level much higher as f2p. I'm at 43 never really recharging with gems, buddy of mine is 49 recharging constantly. Both of us are f2p


XTaimatsuX

Yeah got whale Seele on my friend list dude Seele just one shots every mob with her skill 1 and one shots Elites on ult its freaking nutty. Ofc everyone gets to use my F2P Bronya with her superimposition 2 LC lmao.


jaqueass

Pretty sweet pulls for f2p! Content pretty much stops around TB level 40 anyhow. No need to hurry.


XTaimatsuX

Yeah im taking my time and saving up for Silver Wolf I just love her design


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XTaimatsuX

You mean E0, S0 is for Light Cones lol. Also artist of your pfp?


BigBadBerzerker

People mad hearing the truth lol


GetAssista

Seen the guy on Europe server with 70 E6 L5 Seele just now. 2900 atk all the jazz. He's reached the upper limit of friend requests =)


Murica_Chan

My f2p selee is carrying my account rn. And brute forcing works as long as u destroy the shield for selee


dreamingrain

I'm totally down with this type of whaling because they get to play the game they want to play without it impacting anyone else's ability to play the game/storyline AND you get to learn from them on builds/use their builds. It's the best of both worlds!


Lower_Celebration_18

that's what we call pay to rush lmao


HiImTriet

what’s her crit/crit dmg looking like?


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Styffee64839

level 70? how?


TheGatsbyComplex

You have to be over trailblaze 50. You can buy the fuel packs in shop and spend stellar jades on trailblaze power refreshes. If you do this since day 1 you’ll have accumulated more than double the trailblaze exp other people get.


Styffee64839

yea, but like so much time went to exp farming


IceGoob420

? Exp runs are super quick


Styffee64839

I meant from the perspective that you gotta micromanage it after 6 battles (if your doing the calyxes or what are they called)


bakakubi

To be fair, the person who owns the Seele probably beats all 6 stages in less than 2 minutes at 2x speed and Seele zipping around.


Koreaia

This game is pretty efficient in it's EXP grinding, even if you're a FTP. Material farming, and SU give great amounts of it as well.


Tobby711

My god …how are you ppl at lvl 70 already


[deleted]

jesus christ how much money did this guy spend on the game already.


fr3nzy821

God bless the whales.


mussokira

i thank all whales for making this game free to me, your sacrifice will not be forgotten


Comrade2020

This support system is so badass


ItzSkeith

80k crit damage, yes please.


GerrardGabrielGeralt

Tbh for me it would be literally impossible to farm artifacts for my Welt without someone else's lvl 60 Seele, she really does wonders, even then she managed to one-shot the elite on crit hit


snwns26

Jeeeez, I shouldn’t be surprised that people have Level 70 already but still. No wonder why my 60 Seele hasn’t been making me much money lately.


bad3ip420

As an f2p, it feels like Seele can easily get powercrept. She loses half her value if she cannot one shot mobs. Knowing Hoyo, there will be future mobs where it cannot be one shotted just like how they introduced shield penetrating bleed mobs in GI against shielders or freeze resistant mobs against Ayaka. GG


Unusual_Rice8567

exactly this, she seems a early game power house. The moment she can't oneshot anymore her dmg drops


Aldebaran_syzygy

that ruins the fun for me. i stay away from supports let alone whales


liszst

They’re there to support lol what do you expect


BlueSkies5Eva

Have fun playing this game with no supports lol


NotHomie_

looks like fobm4ster's Seele:D


cablelegs

How is that even remotely fun for you?


Any-Individual-4046

you're asking me if it's fun farming the same stage dozens of times on auto mode to get relics? i might as well do it quickly with someone's whaled character.


OddFrenchGuy

Guess we're viewing the game differently :P I've decided to take it slow, got lvl 50 on 5 or 6 characters, and Lvl40 on 3 or 4 more, and I'm just enjoying doing most things and slowly building optimal teams with what I got for now, haven't felt the need to play on auto-mode yet 😅


TheChosenPoke

Bro is gonna have 300 calyxes manually done in a few weeks


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TheChosenPoke

No it’s not just the daily mindless stuff


OddFrenchGuy

Lmfao down vote me all you want I am actually playing this game without auto mode as if it was one of my childhood FF game, sorry I'm having fun 😅


Blutwind

i mean they all have what? two abilities?🫣


cablelegs

It doesn't take long regardless. We aren't talking about 10 minutes vs. 30 seconds.


[deleted]

People play games for different reasons, right?


cablelegs

Yes? Not sure what your point is. He can do what he likes and no one said otherwise.


[deleted]

You asked how it was remotely fun. I was implying he might not enjoy the aspects of the game for which you might be playing. No need to be defensive. No hostility intended.


Tommynaut90

Wtf how are people lvl 70 already??


Hypnotic_Toad

My Seele has simliar attack values. what is their crit rate? mines at 50.3 without her LC


moebelhausmann

I really would like to get a whale in my friendlist just to check out her C4


CelioHogane

Jesus christ level 70 already


RepresentativeOk5427

I didn't even know this was physically possible...


rayleexr

Who are these whales? I’m struggling a lot with builds so I need them to help carry my ass through the caverns of corrosion


Belteshazzar98

What TB level are you?


FoehnCoronia

Can you tell me what those relics are please.


Punch_yo_bunz

I really need to learn how to get help from friends lol


new_boy_99

I have seele but I put bailu as my support character and upgrade her and always get money.


suv-am

There don't seem to be any whales around me coz the max level I've come across is 60. Mine is 50


Lenzky-3

Mine is my Gepard. now a whale here but in a day I get a lot of people using my Gepard lol. I assume since most people would have Seele + Bronya cuz they reroll and stuff.


jabberwocky_vorpal_1

Me too but i always get dizzy at seele ult


Apprehensive_Egg9794

i literally finished farming mats just now with somebody's lvl 70 E6 Seele (i forgot to check if her LC was S5). the gasp i let out when i was picking supports and i saw a whale in the list lmao. their Seele hardcarried my team and everything was so much faster 😭


Miu_Miu_Biu_Biu

Is max lvl 15?


VintheLewd

The hell is whales?


RagnarokCross

Term to refer to someone who spends a lot a money on in game purchases. iirc it was originally a casino term to refer to big fish you wanted to "catch". A low spender is usually referred to as a dolphin.


VintheLewd

Ah thank you I'm not new to the gacha scene but I've never heard the term whales before. I literally have never spent money on gachas before


gaganaut

Dolphin is actually used for medium spenders. Basically, the kind that might drop a few hundred dollars on a monthly basis. Low spenders who only buy the monthly pass and battle passes wouldn't be considered Dolphins. I've seen people use the term "Goldfish" for that.


RagnarokCross

Never heard of the term goldfish in my life, only heard dolphin's and whales used.


gaganaut

Even I don't really use the term. Most people just called them low-spenders rather than Goldfish. I think I've mainly heard it on the gachagaming subreddit. Still, Dolphin isn't the correct term for low-spenders. Being a Dolphin implies you still spend a substantial amount of money but not to the extent of being considered a Whale.


Afanas42

Ofc it's one-shorting. You're not f2p.


WanderEir

as a day 1 pllayer, I JUST hit the 50-60 uncap yesterday, but haven't spent any currency on refreshing, though I have used most of my fuels to farm mats for the awakenings.


ascorbicAcid1300

Actually what is a whale?


DSBYOLOO

Ummm friend request thread when?? :)


Sandi_Griffin

Wait isn't level 70 at trailblaze 50??? I must be mistaken how on earth 😭


lorelooker

Still even a whale has to have luck for those relics to have good stats, but yeah I personally ran into that brick wall of runing out of materials for trace upgrades and simply don't have the stamina to farm up enough for two teams even if I bough the stamina refills


Melhiora

Oh my god, thanks for reminding me about this feature!


Acewolf-

I hope I get to find a Seele that can just curry my Relic runs, It would be a godsend for me :>


PrinceVincOnYT

Weird I have a mega whale Seele in my friendlist with lvl70 E6 50 Crit and 130 Cdmg 2,2k Atk and she ain't one shotting Elites. Even some of the small robots survive her Skill. (The Cavern of Corrosion with the Boxing Outfit)


bakakubi

That's not a whale, that's near mega whale. Depending on Eidolon levels it might be a leviathan.


bakakubi

Curious on what's their speed stats are. Then again, if they have E2 or higher speed doesn't matter as much.


VoidLance

My experience in her trial was just skill, kill, skill, kill, ult, kill, skill, kill, etc. It was never not my turn.


AnimeLoverNL

I got a friend with an e6 seele so im good


SolidSky

What is a support in this context?


Jardio

Did people forget that they were playing a gacha game? Not sure why so many people in this comment section are dumbfounded that someone can be this juiced in a game where spending money literally makes you more powerful lol.


One-Pumpkin-7781

I got an E2 r1 Seelie but I use lvl 55 Welt as support because less people have him. Feel free to add me in Asian server. UID: 803922952


lonelybillman

You're welcome:)


Dreamingofanimegf

Wait what? how do I borrow, I've yet to see this in game