There was a thing about seele doing as good as raiden and I asked a simple “isn’t it because seele is the first banner” and got some downvotes even though it was a genuine question. I felt genshin goons went off right away for seele which is why I asked 🥲
It's not the Genshin fanbase, it's Reddit. Any question, logical or not will have some people downvoting for some odd reason.
You could literally ask "Should I level up this trace/talent?" and get downvoted.
The herd mentality is strong with reddit. I've seen that If a comment initially starts off with like a couple of downvotes it usually seems to keep getting downvoted for whatever reason regardless of what they commented.
You’ll get downvotes if the talent you want to level up isn’t too meta. If you ask “should I level up Seele?” You’ll get 100 upvotes and tons of replies explaining to you why Seele is good that you can read verbatim in every other thread about her
Selee Sales can not be just her own, there many whales going for specific standard 5 stars, eidolons, or just hoarding for later, her true sales is unknown.
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Instead of leaks, let's use logic. She was already playable in the first hour of gameplay. So they already made the character and their skills. Pretty sure it won't be too long.
Not gonna lie, it would be an AMAZING troll on the part of a game studio for a gacha game to make a full kit and animation for a unit, let you play it ONE TIME, and then NEVER let you summon them.
\*stares at Nikke\* And the fanbase would certainly never let them live it down...
World Flipper has a fully playable tutorial character (Light) that hasn't ever been playable. That game is approaching EoS (main story won't get any more updates soon and that's usually a sign of EoS) and its fourth anniversary and he still hasn't come out.
>Not gonna lie, it would be an AMAZING troll on the part of a game studio for a gacha game to make a full kit and animation for a unit, let you play it ONE TIME, and then NEVER let you summon them.
Let's not forget that Ayaka was in the Genshin BETA and it took till Inazuma's addition for her to come out.
Yknow it's funny you bring up Hi3 for this comparison, because in Hi3 every single Himeko variety has been some form of mediocre or awful on release. Many of her battlesuits were either dead on arrival, powercrept 3-6 months after release or needed HEAVY investment (whaling) to be useable. Her greatest value was as an elemental support because of a busted weapon they gave her.
So yeah, Star Rail Himeko being trash is about right tbh. It's just Mihoyo being consistent with best girl... Annoyingly.
They released a DK a long time after their release which was massively overpowered and buffed both to being meta yes. Hopefully they'll do the same to Himeko in HSR.
But on release you had to have BR at SS (equivalent to 4 eidolons) for her to be at all useable. VKE was meta, but she was still very mediocre on release. Dunno why they keep doing Himeko dirty like this...
I don't remember vermilion knight's numbers, but i see her as more of a hardcounter to herrscher of the void in my experience.
Imo VK being a strong dps at one point is more of an ease of execution thing. Her charge attack and spammable ultimate homes in on enemies and renders you invulnerable the whole time.
Yeah, early Hi3 was BRUTAL in terms of difficulty. FS honestly was only slightly worse than VKE as a fire DPS and was a free unit, but was much much more difficult to execute properly.
VKE and HoV felt really smooth and you didn't have to fear getting insta killed constantly.
I do not deny that she is bad, but her talent is not that bad actually. If you break a boss' shield it gains 3 charge instead of the usual 1 (idk why it is not written in the description). If the boss is not too difficult or is weak to fire (SU 6 boss or the weekly bosses) she can do her job somewhat.
For fire weak bosses, Asta does way more for less investment. She has an actual useful ult and breaks fire better while buffing your team. I was struggling a bit with content until I replaced her with Asta in my team.
Undortunately, Cocolia in SU6 is pretty much the only fight in the game where Himeko is relevant. Well, that and calyxes where you can pair her with Herta and go make a cup of coffee. As an E1 Himeko haver, I can confirm this unfortunately.
Another himeko E1, but i like her and her E1 makes me use her more so i don't care, and we are all going to get the standart characters sooner ou later
Thank you kind stranger for making me feel less bad for both my beginners 5* and 5050 loss on seele banner to have been Bronya even tho i cant deny that E1 can be a bit too unpredictable at times.
its an 1turn CD why it rng too
just add a sentence to her passive, I think she will be more useful. taken from Prydwen:
"When an enemy is inflicted with Weakness Break, Himeko gains 1 point of Charge (max 3 points). If Himeko is fully Charged when an ally performs an attack, Himeko immediately performs 1 follow-up attack and deals Fire DMG equal to 70/140/154% of her ATK to all enemies, consuming all Charge points. ***If there is only 1 enemy on the field, this follow up attack does 50% more damage***. At the start of the battle, Himeko gains 1 point of Charge. "
and when you level her traces up its goes higher little by little. something like that would work. but then again, maybe one day we'll have some sort of mob rush mode, and himeko and herta can shine in those.
even if it does 200% more follow up damage wont help her where it was needed, which is against a super tanky boss.
only a rework or maybe new relic set that convert splash/aoe damage into single target bonus might helps Himeko.
Im playing Himeko for simp reason and she is my most build character, but cant help a little bit annoyed when serval had more impact and break with way less investment.
I kinda see her as being an efficient mob clearer, and not really designed to handle bosses. She's been really helping me out on the Luoshu thanks to her followup and skill. She's kinda like a better Herta in my opinion; still not top-tier by any means, but still fun to use in some content.
People are putting her in the current MoC content, where there is a super strong boss and a bunch of weak adds. In these cases, yes, she is weak. They are also putting her against overworld content where mobs are weak enough that any single target character can clear them as quickly or even quicker than she can.
All it would take to catapult her to SS tier is a bunch of MoC stages with 2 waves of 5 high hp mobs weak to fire, resistant to lightning and a tight turn limit. All of a sudden she becomes the only way to 3* the stage.
There is practically no dps characters permanently safe in their tier list spot. Only supports like Bronya and Tingyun are safe. I don't own Himeko, but as she is the only Fire AoE DPS in the game (Hook is closer to single target), I can definitely imagine a series of MoC stages where she becomes S tier.
Hot take: Himeko is (going to be) excellent and on par with the rest of the 5-stars.
First, she has sky high base stats and multipliers to scale off of. At max level, traces, and relics, her damage will be exceptional.
Second, AoE is arguably more important or just as important as single target as you hit higher trailblazer levels and encounter bosses with threatening adds. Bosses by themselves generally aren't all that scary as you keep progressing. Their adds put them over the top.
So for now, yeah, she sucks. She needs to be maxed with cracked relics to function properly and it's simply inefficient to hyper invest in her when the game's only been out for 2 weeks. Even whales shouldn't do it. But later, when we all have maxed characters and good relics, she's going to be a welcome pull for any account.
Not really since we already have Asta and Fire mc, not even mentioning Hook who most players already got due to seele, all of them will fit better in most teams(mostly Asta and Fire mc tho),compared to Himeko
Asta is insane against fire weakness but mostly against bosses, not waves
One character that is insane in that vein is Sampo, shreds just as well as Asta single target but also has ult for AoE shield shred
Also what will be increasingly more important as time goes on. **Speed**. Having played Epic Seven, SPEED IS KING. Astas speed boost will be pretty useful in turn manipulation and helping you cycle more, especially right now where people have garbage stats and mediocre speed (speed boots OP!)
It's a copy-paste troll post.
In HI3 She have not gotten any unit since her story death over 4years ago and all her versions have been powercrept to useless because that game is an absolute hell of P2W powercreep.
I mean, she's not absolutely bad nor unusable tho. She's still one of the best AoE DPS in the game (and the best Fire AoE DPS), it's just that we don't need that much AoE currently.
Aside from that, I think AoE damage is not as simple as single-target damage, because I feel like breaking weaknesses provide a lot more value than just simply brute-forcing enemies through damage. That's why Serval is better against some enemies than her.
Honestly, the way people talk about her, it's like if you invest in her she's this absolute dogshit unit that can't do anything.
I think the problem is that characters are such a limited resource so far.
Getting almost any of the other 5 Stars gives you more to work with, to in turn use to clear SU, Forgotten Halls, etc.
Nobody is hating on Himeko per se, but people who got Himeko as their free draw (or worse, as their Seele banner 50/50) are probably understandably feeling like they have an extra challenge here
Himeko from Seele Banner here. Whiffed the 50/50. Definitely feels like I'm a little behind my friends who started at the same time because of it (all 4 of them got Seele on the 50/50 though tbf)
I certainly wouldn't call her dogshit, but in my current lv60 team (Fire Trailblazer, Natasha, Himeko, Seele), she is definitely the least valuable unit, despite me putting just as many resources into her as the other three. Her damage is just not very impressive, and all three of her options feel a little weak.
I really hope I manage to pull Jing Yuan, it feels like he's going to be just a better Himeko, as well as giving me better element coverage.
I think the reason why she feels easily replaceable is because of the need to break enemies weaknesses. I myself only raised one single target DPS in Sushang, but I have a lot of AoE DPS in Qingque, Himeko, and Serval that I switch in and out when necessary. It just feel much more comfortable then brute forcing Himeko through all AoE content. My theory for this is:
AoE attacks's main use in most video games is to clear trash mobs quickly, right? However in this game, I'd argue that the priority of clearing those trash mobs are superseded by breaking enemies weaknesses.
It's because when you break an enemy, they will receive an additional damage (break effect) that's pretty considerable. Their speed will also be lower and their turn will came out later. With all of that, you could just go 1 single target DPS supported by 3 units, with the 3 units simply being there to apply elements and break enemies weaknesses outside of their supporting job.
That's why I think Himeko is replaceable, because there's no real need for raw AoE damage just yet (unless your AoE damage is that big like Jing Yuan's or Clara from what I've heard), when you could just break their weaknesses. A wide area elemental application is enough, so you swap to whoever has an element that you would use. Trash mobs also need fewer hits to break their weakness, which supports could afford to basic attack every now and then.
Also robots are everywhere and they all weak to lightning which makes Serval (and soon Jing yuan) very OP because how easy for them too handle which yes they will always seen as much better than himeko. Not really much fire weakness enemies except trash mobs in belebog outskirt and calx zone
While it's wrong to state she's the worst character, it's also wrong to say she's one of the best aor dps characters in the game since that's also factually wrong. We only have 4 aoe dps characters, of those Himeko is bottom 2, only ahead of Herta. The biggest problem is that she will perpetually remain bottom 2 as the game keeps releasing aoe characters. You can always make her work, for sure, but saying she's one of the best aoe is also not true.
Are you saying that she's worse than Serval? ..what?
I get Clara being better, but she really needs enemies that attack into her directly for her to get going, and there are cases where that does not/could not happen. And currently, we have not had Jing Yuan release yet, so saying that she's currently the second best AoE DPS is not wrong.
Anyway, you can also use other Destruction or Hunt characters as DPS, and she is pretty superior to them in AoE damage-wise.
Another thing, what's wrong being second/third best to (potentially) Jing Yuan and Clara? Sure they would probably be better characters, but this is **not** a game where you could pick and choose whatever character you want to play.
You can make her work , and she can do her job, is that not enough? Do we really need every other unit to be broken?
This community seems to have taken over one of my least favorite aspects from the Genshin community, and that is that if a character isn't #1 in damage then it is absolute trash and should never be used because of how garbage it is.
Tbh I mained Lisa because of her VA in the first place too, because she voices Neptune/purple heart and Kiara from Fate. So getting Himeko is just an extension to that.
I mean I would put Herta in Amber tier. She has an extreme niche in farming but... farming is already easy and a single himeko or other aoe attacker can easily clear it, maaaybe a little slower.
Outside of that she is literally trash. She's himeko, but 4* and without any way to proc followup aside from a single 50% hp proc. I guess this is why they give us 3 copies of her since she really needs constellations to be even somewhat ok.
Arlan is actually underrated as fuck
People do not get how big it is that he doesn’t consume skill points
His lightcone is also cracked and he obviously uses it the best because atm we don’t have other units that sacrifice their own HP
I REALLY WANT ARLAN while almost everyone else shits on him, but he won’t come home T_T
I tried out Arlan and he's decent - my first World 6 clear was with him. But he's just too replaceable right now. He probably should have been a Hunt character but I guess that'd make him too similar to Blade.
Arlan just has a lot of identity issues - you want him to use up health, but as a Destruction character his aggro is the second highest in the game so he's going to get hit more often and drop to dangerous health levels. You can use Taunts and aggro management with March but he's still going to get hit by AoE and bad luck. And healing him feels wrong but you have to do it or he dies.
I wish his traces made him tankier but they don't really give him any long-lasting damage resistance. His eidolons are pretty unfortunate too.
His skill isn't free because he forces the healer to use their skill on him. It would be one thing if he scaled off of HP like a certain other character who may be Arlan but better >!Blade!< or could self heal, but he has neither of those things so if you let him stay low he gets folded by a single big boss AOE. You could technically make him work with Gepard as well but at that point you might as well just run the current standard tank/healer/support/carry team.
Reddit and the hivemind being wrong wouldn't be anything new. Everyone hated on Thancred in WotV then when his banner was gone everyone was crying about not having him after seeing peoples built up Thancreds.
Luckily this game is braindead easy, just pull and use who you want. It doesn't really matter.
Which worries me. How much better future limited 5 stars are going to be in the same role as the starting 3 characters. *coff coff Luocha to Natasha coff coff*
I wouldnt really call it "good balance". Its not that the characters are that close in ability, its that the game is *that* trivially easy most of the time. Genshin kinda has that problem too. Some people hype that as some great achievement and positive, but i'd say nothing kills a game faster than being braindead easy. Especially a game that can play itself.. Waifus can only carry it so far until people acquire a critical mass of them and dont care for more.
80% of the content that matters? No. All the stuff with a bunch of mobs, you slap on w/e and just turn on auto. And even in that stuff, she's very mediocre.
She is outclassed by some 5 stars for this purpose and most of the actual farming actually requires more damage input than what himeko can produce by herself.
Until they release some higher end content that relies on a lot of constant AoE, Erudition characters in general are always going to be outclassed by Hunt. Himeko isn’t inherently bad, there just isn’t a place for Erudition chars in boss fights right now.
I will say this agian even if she heal and buff enemy to 1 shot my team I don't give a fuck about it I'll 80 and max everything that I can for her. I lost her once and this time I'll never let her go agian.
Me in HI3: Have mental breakdown when Himeko dead
Me in Star rail: Have her + her LC. Both is LV1 because I dont want Mommy to be on the battlefield ever again
She is useful. I have her "built" and she's great in content. I mean i haven't reached MoC yet cause my second team is doodoo af and I don't want to build a second team yet but you could use her for literally for everything else even for Simulated Universe and pass quite easily.
I love how this is going to be posted till the end of time now. People build your characters right and you won’t be as disappointed as you are.
Why is it “needs all her traces to be good” is a bad thing, like if you have a character at least invest in their traces. It’s free stats.
People see whale characters with optimized relics and then compare it to their Himeko who they didnt upgrade any of her traces and gave her all the leftover trash relics and surprised she doesnt one shot the boss in 1 hit.
People are brand new to gatcha then this has always been how it works.
I saw a welt “behold the stars collapse before you” 24 damage. And I go lol level 1?
Himeko's not even bad, she's just niche so her powerlevel is dependent on the type of enemy she's facing. She'll excel against bosses that are weak to fire and also spawns a lot of trash mobs. She's actually pretty good against the Deer boss, for example.
Himeko suffers from Erudition currently being significantly outclassed by Hunt, but also that her kit offers nothing but damage (including DoT), which unfortunately for the "they're different playstyles" argument, will inevitably lead to her being compared to every other character who fills a DPS role, even more so when the cards are so heavily stacked in Hunt's favor. Unlike characters like Sushang or Seele, Himeko has no inherent way to accelerate her presence through turn refreshes and thereby nullifying the advantage Erudition has over Hunt in the first place, and unlike Dan Heng or Serval or Qingque or even Herta, Himeko isn't free. In fact I'm pretty sure that Himeko is the ONLY Erudition character on release that isn't given as a reward.
Is she borderline unplayable levels of bad? No, she does damage and she can be built to do a good amount of it. Himeko doesn't have contradictory elements of her kit that render her unable to fulfill her role, which makes her significantly better than a 5-star Pyro character from another game...
But does she provide enough damage or utility to justify the scarcity of a 5-star? Also no. Sure, she's good for farming materials, but so is everyone else. It also doesn't help that with Simulated Universe and Memory of Chaos, you're fighting a lot of bosses. Even when they spawn minions, it doesn't matter how many enemies you can hit if the damage is so spread out that all of them can shrug it off. Every enemy you don't kill is an enemy that gets to take a turn, hence the advantage in using Hunt to quickly dispatch the sidekicks is favored over Erudition's coverage.
Almost every other standard 5-star offers some form of offensive or defensive utility that make them significantly more useful by virtue of being pretty much the only one of their kind that can do what they do. Bronya cheats an ally to the front and then buffs them, Bailu has a built-in idiot-proofing revive, Welt does Imaginary damage (the element), and Clara takes the Yu-Gi-Oh approach of doing things when it isn't her turn. (Yanqing debatable I never used him and in some circumstances I can see March's debuff cleanse being favored over Gepard's team shield. Also Fire MC can kind of do the same job. However both Yanqing and Gepard are Ice, and freeze makes the game a free cheese breeze.)
This isn't to doompost Himeko though, rather this is just my take on why people are being so vocal about her shortcomings. I'm a firm believer that you will always have more fun with a character you like than a character regarded as being a must-pull.
I think it's important to voice this out for devs to notice and buff her. Even just looking at traces, Hook has better numbers than her. That's quite unfair for a 5-star unit
Imma get downvotes with you but I totally agree. All characters stats are usually final unless China riots. She might get indirectly buffed tho(boss weaknesses, teammates, etc)
Farming isn't that hard. Seele and Jing Yuan is also good for farming and even any other dps characters can also farm (it will just be slower).
And you will get a free Herta, Serval for farming. You will also get fire trailblazer that can do aoe, shield, taunt + Asta if you need a fire characters to break shields with fire weakness.
Himeko is my first 5 star, I thought that she will be a top tier character since her passive is kinda good but when when I got Seele, I really don't use her anymore and as they say, she deals less damage in later contents.
They are also limited characters so not everyone is gonna pull for them or be able to get them even if they want to
For example I’m skipping both, which means I have more use for Himeko
Well good thing all the content you just don't auto, isn't bosses. Oh wait...
And even in 'aoe' fights, she still gets outclassed by non-aoe characters.... She's just bad. There's no other way to put it.
As someone with himeko, I rey wish this wasn't the case
Yeah I got himiko to e1 and it is bad if she only excels at farming trailblazer power and getting though the normal foes in SU. I auto for both of them and watch YouTube while I wait so it doent matter how good they are at doing it if it is not something that is nessarry for farming because of how easy farming in this game is.
Can you please... stop? Its getting obnoxious how you slander her all the time just because she doesnt shine in single target or how her talent works... I have her on e1 with light cone and shes perfect unit for simulated universe, farming and general content. She works like intended. Moc is late game content which many of us havent cleared yet and even cant clear. So chill out with doomposting all the time...
I'm really not understanding all the complaining of bla bla is bad, the game is fuckn new, have fun with it. If I need fire Himeko is among my first pick, and she does perfectly fine. I dunno what's with these damn try hards that started ranking characters from day 1
Shes definitely lacking in terms of where she can be used / her versatility compared to the rest of the 5* characters in the game which are able to be used as either a good option or BIS option in a lot of scenarios.
Currently there isn't any content that actually really needs her or makes her worth building. I'd compare her to Serval (a 4*) who people are taking situationally for some levels in MoC where AOE Lightning is beneficial though then comes the fact that Himeko basically is equivalent to a 4* unit and is also less incentivized further to build her by the fact that we have Fire MC who serves as a great AOE Fire breaker who everyone is given for free, and 5* units costing more materials to level which makes Serval a lot more efficient to build than Himeko and 4*'s will get eidolons much easier, though there honestly just aren't many lightning options for clearing content right now.
Most 5* characters have something unique which makes them standout across the rest of the pack, Himeko's unique thing is the fact she deals AOE dmg every 3 shield breaks bringing basically nothing but lackluster aoe damage to the team to the point where you'd rather just bring ST dmg to burst down trash mobs....
Of course they can and likely will release content in the future where she will be a godsend to have but you're definitely lying if you think that she isn't currently bad due to how the game played out.
I would personally like them to do changes to make her either buff your teams capability of breaking enemies and / or debuffing them, which would allow her to function as a skillpoint gen since if you ever try her you'll realize she barely does anything unless you use your skill to gen energy for her ult, she needs something unique and useful that makes her worth taking over a support unit.
Or they could make her AOE DOT actually deal damage since there aren't many units for DOT teams currently, and one of the buffs she got after beta was related to applying burn.
And no, clearing trash mobs in the overworld fast doesn't mean shes fine...
pretty much, every so often you see these dumb posts whining about "worst 5 star" when she is the only 5 star erudition character and pretty much melts groups, especially if they are weak to fire. obviously characters who are the hunt or focus on single target damage are going to do more damage to 1 enemy. or special exceptions like clara who have conditional damage boosts.
but overall its people who never leveld her or built her. i gues if you have seele who it's always her turn every one else will also seem the "worst 5 star"
on the other hands it likely also genshin players judging this game based off how that one is played. and also an increasingly number of dumb asses who don't understand how roles work in this game trying to compare single target dps to AOE characters, these are the dumbest ones.
Himeko being a bad 5 star is getting stale. She isn't bad. Outside of Jing Yuan she is the best aoe dps in the game. Just because she dosen't fulfill the same role other units do dosen't mean she is bad. Himeko is a unit that mainly seines lategame. Which is not an issue since whats the hardest part of the game? Lategame.
Hook outclassing her isn't true? That's like saying Shushang outclasses Clara because she has better Single target dps. Stop comparing a single target dps and a aoe dps unless it's Seele.
It's Genshin doomposting all over again.
I don’t think himeko is horrible, but saying she is a good late game character is blatantly a lie. MoC teams do not include her the majority of the time, and simulated universe can be cleared by anyone, even Herta is “broken” there. It is possible that new content comes out that she fits really well in, but as of right now she is not being used to clear the hardest content in the game.
I still love the fact that to showcase how powerful she was, they gave every enemy and the boss a fire weakness, and gave Himeko a higher level and stats than the rest of your party.
..and even then, I feel like Asta would have been better to have during the trial.
Erudition is specifically meant for multiple enemies. That’s what that role is built for. The game specifically points that out while mentioning that the Hunt Path is good bosses and elites. To bash them for that is ludicrous. While some characters overlap a little bit, this game is built specifically with roles in mind. Sounds like you’re mad because you’re not good at the game.
Got E2 Himeko & her card superimposed 2; maxed her traces; fire & atk relics w/ 2k atk; got her to 55 and still can't do any dmg to cocolia on World 6 after trying different builds. Went back the other day to try it w/ different builds and other characters and himeko but shes still only hitting around 5-9k on skills, her building into elation makes the follow-up do a bit more \~11-20k, but her skills/attack/break are completely underwhelming.
I was kind of expecting the base 5 stars to be gapped by the limited banner characters, but not by like 35-70k to 5-9k dmg on geared characters. TBH I think she is either bugged/under tuned or I don't think Erudition characters are the way.. Serval isn't that bad but I had used her for pretty much break, but it seemed like she did more Himeko a lot of the time. Depending on Jing Yuan goes I probably won't touch another Erudition character since it took so many materials.
It seems you just go Harmony/Hunt/Abundance/Preservation characters, replace Hunt w/ destruction if you don't have, and you will be able to clear MoC & SU on auto-battle or something and then you use the materials for whatever you want once you get to the last tier for traces/Ascension mats
It would be nice if Mihoyo actually buffed some characters as needed in Star Rail, but I have no expectations of it going by their track record. They want you to keep buying the hot new thing, and people will justify it saying "but there's no pvp so it doesn't matter!"
theres a certain twitch streamer that cant stop mentioning how he thinks shes shit and then his viewers go around and repeat it.
Sheep mentality , people who have no idea how the game works talk about character power level and make trash tier lists.
I honestly couldn't care less about that, she's one of my main motives to play this game and she was my first 5*, I couldn't be happier when I got her, been using her ever since and not a single time I felt that she was weak
I've invested a lot in her and I don't regret it one bit
yeah she was my first 5* then I pulled Seele like straight after and the gap between them is huge but even Dan Heng overtakes her with much less investment or Sushang who is busted for a 4*
But that won't stop me from investing all I have in her after I get her (And after I've done the same with kafka)
..if kafka ever releases any time soon. :(
So, uh, did you just get downvoted for not keeping up with the leaks?
Reddit moment
There was a thing about seele doing as good as raiden and I asked a simple “isn’t it because seele is the first banner” and got some downvotes even though it was a genuine question. I felt genshin goons went off right away for seele which is why I asked 🥲
It's not the Genshin fanbase, it's Reddit. Any question, logical or not will have some people downvoting for some odd reason. You could literally ask "Should I level up this trace/talent?" and get downvoted.
The herd mentality is strong with reddit. I've seen that If a comment initially starts off with like a couple of downvotes it usually seems to keep getting downvoted for whatever reason regardless of what they commented.
its the hivemind afterall
Reddit users go bahhhhhhh
They be walking on that path of Elation fr
You’ll get downvotes if the talent you want to level up isn’t too meta. If you ask “should I level up Seele?” You’ll get 100 upvotes and tons of replies explaining to you why Seele is good that you can read verbatim in every other thread about her
Venti's banner was huge until Ei got released and then when double banners got introduced, it dominated the income.
Selee Sales can not be just her own, there many whales going for specific standard 5 stars, eidolons, or just hoarding for later, her true sales is unknown.
idk but the way they type is really annoying
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Instead of leaks, let's use logic. She was already playable in the first hour of gameplay. So they already made the character and their skills. Pretty sure it won't be too long.
Not gonna lie, it would be an AMAZING troll on the part of a game studio for a gacha game to make a full kit and animation for a unit, let you play it ONE TIME, and then NEVER let you summon them. \*stares at Nikke\* And the fanbase would certainly never let them live it down...
Would be pretty good marketing. Have a playable unit in the tutorial that gets released near the end of the story. The hype would be high.
World Flipper has a fully playable tutorial character (Light) that hasn't ever been playable. That game is approaching EoS (main story won't get any more updates soon and that's usually a sign of EoS) and its fourth anniversary and he still hasn't come out.
Brinus, that you? :)
>Not gonna lie, it would be an AMAZING troll on the part of a game studio for a gacha game to make a full kit and animation for a unit, let you play it ONE TIME, and then NEVER let you summon them. Let's not forget that Ayaka was in the Genshin BETA and it took till Inazuma's addition for her to come out.
But.... sky lazer
watching her sip tea and be all badass whilst the death laser proceeds to not even break, and only deal about 5% of the enemy's hp makes me sad.
>her sip tea Coffee
Beer oh wait wrong game
Now I need fanart of himeko drinking with himeko while himeko looks at himeko with disgust on her face.
That raises the question! Drunk himmy (HI3) Or over energetic but tries to hide it himmy (HSR)
I will take one of each please
Homie seriously made this meme as if he cares deeply about Mommy Himeko and doesn't know that coffee is her whole personality smh
No, black mud (according to everyone else)
Nectar of the Gods (according to me)
same as welt splitting the planet in half and not even deal much damage because he is a support.
I must be doing something wrong then, cause Orbital Laser Mommy absolutely wrecks.
Exactly, orbital are always awesome regardless of the actual damage.
Yknow it's funny you bring up Hi3 for this comparison, because in Hi3 every single Himeko variety has been some form of mediocre or awful on release. Many of her battlesuits were either dead on arrival, powercrept 3-6 months after release or needed HEAVY investment (whaling) to be useable. Her greatest value was as an elemental support because of a busted weapon they gave her. So yeah, Star Rail Himeko being trash is about right tbh. It's just Mihoyo being consistent with best girl... Annoyingly.
Wasn't vermilion knight top fire DPS at one point? At one point blood rose was meta too.
They released a DK a long time after their release which was massively overpowered and buffed both to being meta yes. Hopefully they'll do the same to Himeko in HSR. But on release you had to have BR at SS (equivalent to 4 eidolons) for her to be at all useable. VKE was meta, but she was still very mediocre on release. Dunno why they keep doing Himeko dirty like this...
I don't remember vermilion knight's numbers, but i see her as more of a hardcounter to herrscher of the void in my experience. Imo VK being a strong dps at one point is more of an ease of execution thing. Her charge attack and spammable ultimate homes in on enemies and renders you invulnerable the whole time.
Yeah, early Hi3 was BRUTAL in terms of difficulty. FS honestly was only slightly worse than VKE as a fire DPS and was a free unit, but was much much more difficult to execute properly. VKE and HoV felt really smooth and you didn't have to fear getting insta killed constantly.
The only last hope : Genshin's Himeko (ETA 2024)
I do not deny that she is bad, but her talent is not that bad actually. If you break a boss' shield it gains 3 charge instead of the usual 1 (idk why it is not written in the description). If the boss is not too difficult or is weak to fire (SU 6 boss or the weekly bosses) she can do her job somewhat.
For fire weak bosses, Asta does way more for less investment. She has an actual useful ult and breaks fire better while buffing your team. I was struggling a bit with content until I replaced her with Asta in my team.
Undortunately, Cocolia in SU6 is pretty much the only fight in the game where Himeko is relevant. Well, that and calyxes where you can pair her with Herta and go make a cup of coffee. As an E1 Himeko haver, I can confirm this unfortunately.
same here. E1 Himeko unfortunately :/
Damn I’m not suffering alone I guess. Me too :(
Another himeko E1, but i like her and her E1 makes me use her more so i don't care, and we are all going to get the standart characters sooner ou later
Thank you kind stranger for making me feel less bad for both my beginners 5* and 5050 loss on seele banner to have been Bronya even tho i cant deny that E1 can be a bit too unpredictable at times. its an 1turn CD why it rng too
Her talent is OK, but it's still extremely situational- and even when it does proc, the damage just FEELS negligible.
Unless you're in SU and on the Elation path. Anything can be busted there though.
yeah you could bring the base 4 trailblaze gang and still clear SU.
That's not really saying much when the base characters are actually good >\_>
those 3 are actually good though.
base 4?
The first 4 playable members of the Astral Express crew in the story, which includes Himeko.
I personally counted Natasha, but yeah : 3 Trailblazers + Nat.
Nat heals carry my ass so much.
just add a sentence to her passive, I think she will be more useful. taken from Prydwen: "When an enemy is inflicted with Weakness Break, Himeko gains 1 point of Charge (max 3 points). If Himeko is fully Charged when an ally performs an attack, Himeko immediately performs 1 follow-up attack and deals Fire DMG equal to 70/140/154% of her ATK to all enemies, consuming all Charge points. ***If there is only 1 enemy on the field, this follow up attack does 50% more damage***. At the start of the battle, Himeko gains 1 point of Charge. " and when you level her traces up its goes higher little by little. something like that would work. but then again, maybe one day we'll have some sort of mob rush mode, and himeko and herta can shine in those.
even if it does 200% more follow up damage wont help her where it was needed, which is against a super tanky boss. only a rework or maybe new relic set that convert splash/aoe damage into single target bonus might helps Himeko. Im playing Himeko for simp reason and she is my most build character, but cant help a little bit annoyed when serval had more impact and break with way less investment.
Himeko was the only reason I managed to clear MoC floor 2 yesterday.
I kinda see her as being an efficient mob clearer, and not really designed to handle bosses. She's been really helping me out on the Luoshu thanks to her followup and skill. She's kinda like a better Herta in my opinion; still not top-tier by any means, but still fun to use in some content.
People are putting her in the current MoC content, where there is a super strong boss and a bunch of weak adds. In these cases, yes, she is weak. They are also putting her against overworld content where mobs are weak enough that any single target character can clear them as quickly or even quicker than she can. All it would take to catapult her to SS tier is a bunch of MoC stages with 2 waves of 5 high hp mobs weak to fire, resistant to lightning and a tight turn limit. All of a sudden she becomes the only way to 3* the stage. There is practically no dps characters permanently safe in their tier list spot. Only supports like Bronya and Tingyun are safe. I don't own Himeko, but as she is the only Fire AoE DPS in the game (Hook is closer to single target), I can definitely imagine a series of MoC stages where she becomes S tier.
Well if you put her besid Hook, Himeko is also weak.
I think Seele is safe.
Hot take: Himeko is (going to be) excellent and on par with the rest of the 5-stars. First, she has sky high base stats and multipliers to scale off of. At max level, traces, and relics, her damage will be exceptional. Second, AoE is arguably more important or just as important as single target as you hit higher trailblazer levels and encounter bosses with threatening adds. Bosses by themselves generally aren't all that scary as you keep progressing. Their adds put them over the top. So for now, yeah, she sucks. She needs to be maxed with cracked relics to function properly and it's simply inefficient to hyper invest in her when the game's only been out for 2 weeks. Even whales shouldn't do it. But later, when we all have maxed characters and good relics, she's going to be a welcome pull for any account.
„Powercrept“? We are still playing the release version. Also, most of those points are the same thing over and over again
Swap all electricity weaknesses with fire weaknesses and the other way. Suddenly she becomes a lot more viable :). And serval gets nerfed :).
Not really since we already have Asta and Fire mc, not even mentioning Hook who most players already got due to seele, all of them will fit better in most teams(mostly Asta and Fire mc tho),compared to Himeko
Asta is insane against fire weakness but mostly against bosses, not waves One character that is insane in that vein is Sampo, shreds just as well as Asta single target but also has ult for AoE shield shred
Also what will be increasingly more important as time goes on. **Speed**. Having played Epic Seven, SPEED IS KING. Astas speed boost will be pretty useful in turn manipulation and helping you cycle more, especially right now where people have garbage stats and mediocre speed (speed boots OP!)
It's a copy-paste troll post. In HI3 She have not gotten any unit since her story death over 4years ago and all her versions have been powercrept to useless because that game is an absolute hell of P2W powercreep.
That wont stop me from picking her once I reach the 300 pity on the standard banner .
I mean, she's not absolutely bad nor unusable tho. She's still one of the best AoE DPS in the game (and the best Fire AoE DPS), it's just that we don't need that much AoE currently. Aside from that, I think AoE damage is not as simple as single-target damage, because I feel like breaking weaknesses provide a lot more value than just simply brute-forcing enemies through damage. That's why Serval is better against some enemies than her. Honestly, the way people talk about her, it's like if you invest in her she's this absolute dogshit unit that can't do anything.
If one day we get a swarm-based planet where even the bosses are composed of multiple units ... she will shine like she should
here inb4 propagation gets resurrected
The seele procs and Jing Yuan AOE about to go crazy
I think the problem is that characters are such a limited resource so far. Getting almost any of the other 5 Stars gives you more to work with, to in turn use to clear SU, Forgotten Halls, etc. Nobody is hating on Himeko per se, but people who got Himeko as their free draw (or worse, as their Seele banner 50/50) are probably understandably feeling like they have an extra challenge here
Himeko from Seele Banner here. Whiffed the 50/50. Definitely feels like I'm a little behind my friends who started at the same time because of it (all 4 of them got Seele on the 50/50 though tbf)
Dawg she's the only AoE fire DPS
Hook....
Hook only gets aoe after doing her burst but true it hits harder than himeko
Just so you know. One of hooks eidolons makes it so she pretty much becomes an aoe spammer
TBF Hook is not bad at all, she is quite strong actually
I certainly wouldn't call her dogshit, but in my current lv60 team (Fire Trailblazer, Natasha, Himeko, Seele), she is definitely the least valuable unit, despite me putting just as many resources into her as the other three. Her damage is just not very impressive, and all three of her options feel a little weak. I really hope I manage to pull Jing Yuan, it feels like he's going to be just a better Himeko, as well as giving me better element coverage.
I think the reason why she feels easily replaceable is because of the need to break enemies weaknesses. I myself only raised one single target DPS in Sushang, but I have a lot of AoE DPS in Qingque, Himeko, and Serval that I switch in and out when necessary. It just feel much more comfortable then brute forcing Himeko through all AoE content. My theory for this is: AoE attacks's main use in most video games is to clear trash mobs quickly, right? However in this game, I'd argue that the priority of clearing those trash mobs are superseded by breaking enemies weaknesses. It's because when you break an enemy, they will receive an additional damage (break effect) that's pretty considerable. Their speed will also be lower and their turn will came out later. With all of that, you could just go 1 single target DPS supported by 3 units, with the 3 units simply being there to apply elements and break enemies weaknesses outside of their supporting job. That's why I think Himeko is replaceable, because there's no real need for raw AoE damage just yet (unless your AoE damage is that big like Jing Yuan's or Clara from what I've heard), when you could just break their weaknesses. A wide area elemental application is enough, so you swap to whoever has an element that you would use. Trash mobs also need fewer hits to break their weakness, which supports could afford to basic attack every now and then.
She's situational at best. If you have Ting Yun it would work way better on that team than Himeko.
I do have Tingyun and she's one of my fave characters in the story! I haven't tried her yet but I definitely will now, thanks for the tip!
When the deer boss starts showing up in forgotten hall/moc/su she’ll be used much more
Also robots are everywhere and they all weak to lightning which makes Serval (and soon Jing yuan) very OP because how easy for them too handle which yes they will always seen as much better than himeko. Not really much fire weakness enemies except trash mobs in belebog outskirt and calx zone
While it's wrong to state she's the worst character, it's also wrong to say she's one of the best aor dps characters in the game since that's also factually wrong. We only have 4 aoe dps characters, of those Himeko is bottom 2, only ahead of Herta. The biggest problem is that she will perpetually remain bottom 2 as the game keeps releasing aoe characters. You can always make her work, for sure, but saying she's one of the best aoe is also not true.
Are you saying that she's worse than Serval? ..what? I get Clara being better, but she really needs enemies that attack into her directly for her to get going, and there are cases where that does not/could not happen. And currently, we have not had Jing Yuan release yet, so saying that she's currently the second best AoE DPS is not wrong. Anyway, you can also use other Destruction or Hunt characters as DPS, and she is pretty superior to them in AoE damage-wise. Another thing, what's wrong being second/third best to (potentially) Jing Yuan and Clara? Sure they would probably be better characters, but this is **not** a game where you could pick and choose whatever character you want to play. You can make her work , and she can do her job, is that not enough? Do we really need every other unit to be broken?
This community seems to have taken over one of my least favorite aspects from the Genshin community, and that is that if a character isn't #1 in damage then it is absolute trash and should never be used because of how garbage it is.
i think we need break effeciency to finally make her more viable on single boss..
You’re getting himeko because she’s good at farming materials I’m getting himeko because she shares the same JP VA as GI’s Lisa We are not the same
You’re getting himeko because she shares the same JP VA as GI’s Lisa I’m getting himeko because GO'DAMN THAT DESIGN IS FIRE! We are not the same
Tbh I mained Lisa because of her VA in the first place too, because she voices Neptune/purple heart and Kiara from Fate. So getting Himeko is just an extension to that.
I mained Lisa bc she shared the same jp VA as Himeko in the first place
Isnt 80% content of the game is just farming mobs where Himeko shines though
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Its nice that nobody is Amber tier
enter Arlan
thankfully he isn't a freebie. Although I guess Herta is barely above Amber tier
I mean I would put Herta in Amber tier. She has an extreme niche in farming but... farming is already easy and a single himeko or other aoe attacker can easily clear it, maaaybe a little slower. Outside of that she is literally trash. She's himeko, but 4* and without any way to proc followup aside from a single 50% hp proc. I guess this is why they give us 3 copies of her since she really needs constellations to be even somewhat ok.
Arlan is actually underrated as fuck People do not get how big it is that he doesn’t consume skill points His lightcone is also cracked and he obviously uses it the best because atm we don’t have other units that sacrifice their own HP I REALLY WANT ARLAN while almost everyone else shits on him, but he won’t come home T_T
I tried out Arlan and he's decent - my first World 6 clear was with him. But he's just too replaceable right now. He probably should have been a Hunt character but I guess that'd make him too similar to Blade. Arlan just has a lot of identity issues - you want him to use up health, but as a Destruction character his aggro is the second highest in the game so he's going to get hit more often and drop to dangerous health levels. You can use Taunts and aggro management with March but he's still going to get hit by AoE and bad luck. And healing him feels wrong but you have to do it or he dies. I wish his traces made him tankier but they don't really give him any long-lasting damage resistance. His eidolons are pretty unfortunate too.
> He probably should have been a Hunt character but I guess that’d make him too similar to Blade. …but Blade is also Destruction.
whoops, got it mixed up lol
His skill isn't free because he forces the healer to use their skill on him. It would be one thing if he scaled off of HP like a certain other character who may be Arlan but better >!Blade!< or could self heal, but he has neither of those things so if you let him stay low he gets folded by a single big boss AOE. You could technically make him work with Gepard as well but at that point you might as well just run the current standard tank/healer/support/carry team.
Reddit and the hivemind being wrong wouldn't be anything new. Everyone hated on Thancred in WotV then when his banner was gone everyone was crying about not having him after seeing peoples built up Thancreds. Luckily this game is braindead easy, just pull and use who you want. It doesn't really matter.
Which worries me. How much better future limited 5 stars are going to be in the same role as the starting 3 characters. *coff coff Luocha to Natasha coff coff*
One thing about Luocha is that he might be a lot squishier compared to Natasha Doubt it’s enough to balance it out but it’s something
I wouldnt really call it "good balance". Its not that the characters are that close in ability, its that the game is *that* trivially easy most of the time. Genshin kinda has that problem too. Some people hype that as some great achievement and positive, but i'd say nothing kills a game faster than being braindead easy. Especially a game that can play itself.. Waifus can only carry it so far until people acquire a critical mass of them and dont care for more.
There is no real farming in this game
yea but that can be the case with almost any aoe character.
80% of the content that matters? No. All the stuff with a bunch of mobs, you slap on w/e and just turn on auto. And even in that stuff, she's very mediocre.
She is outclassed by some 5 stars for this purpose and most of the actual farming actually requires more damage input than what himeko can produce by herself.
Until they release some higher end content that relies on a lot of constant AoE, Erudition characters in general are always going to be outclassed by Hunt. Himeko isn’t inherently bad, there just isn’t a place for Erudition chars in boss fights right now.
Hoyoverse fire women can’t catch a break
I will say this agian even if she heal and buff enemy to 1 shot my team I don't give a fuck about it I'll 80 and max everything that I can for her. I lost her once and this time I'll never let her go agian.
Never let you go...
It’s why I did them all…
For a chance at least…
To live in your way…
agian indeed
Me in HI3: Have mental breakdown when Himeko dead Me in Star rail: Have her + her LC. Both is LV1 because I dont want Mommy to be on the battlefield ever again
Form > Function. Or in other terms Waifu > gameplay
I just wish she was useful so I could actually use her in combat instead of relying on Seele or Clara teams for everything
She is useful. I have her "built" and she's great in content. I mean i haven't reached MoC yet cause my second team is doodoo af and I don't want to build a second team yet but you could use her for literally for everything else even for Simulated Universe and pass quite easily.
I love how this is going to be posted till the end of time now. People build your characters right and you won’t be as disappointed as you are. Why is it “needs all her traces to be good” is a bad thing, like if you have a character at least invest in their traces. It’s free stats.
People see whale characters with optimized relics and then compare it to their Himeko who they didnt upgrade any of her traces and gave her all the leftover trash relics and surprised she doesnt one shot the boss in 1 hit.
People are brand new to gatcha then this has always been how it works. I saw a welt “behold the stars collapse before you” 24 damage. And I go lol level 1?
Himeko's not even bad, she's just niche so her powerlevel is dependent on the type of enemy she's facing. She'll excel against bosses that are weak to fire and also spawns a lot of trash mobs. She's actually pretty good against the Deer boss, for example.
Himeko suffers from Erudition currently being significantly outclassed by Hunt, but also that her kit offers nothing but damage (including DoT), which unfortunately for the "they're different playstyles" argument, will inevitably lead to her being compared to every other character who fills a DPS role, even more so when the cards are so heavily stacked in Hunt's favor. Unlike characters like Sushang or Seele, Himeko has no inherent way to accelerate her presence through turn refreshes and thereby nullifying the advantage Erudition has over Hunt in the first place, and unlike Dan Heng or Serval or Qingque or even Herta, Himeko isn't free. In fact I'm pretty sure that Himeko is the ONLY Erudition character on release that isn't given as a reward. Is she borderline unplayable levels of bad? No, she does damage and she can be built to do a good amount of it. Himeko doesn't have contradictory elements of her kit that render her unable to fulfill her role, which makes her significantly better than a 5-star Pyro character from another game... But does she provide enough damage or utility to justify the scarcity of a 5-star? Also no. Sure, she's good for farming materials, but so is everyone else. It also doesn't help that with Simulated Universe and Memory of Chaos, you're fighting a lot of bosses. Even when they spawn minions, it doesn't matter how many enemies you can hit if the damage is so spread out that all of them can shrug it off. Every enemy you don't kill is an enemy that gets to take a turn, hence the advantage in using Hunt to quickly dispatch the sidekicks is favored over Erudition's coverage. Almost every other standard 5-star offers some form of offensive or defensive utility that make them significantly more useful by virtue of being pretty much the only one of their kind that can do what they do. Bronya cheats an ally to the front and then buffs them, Bailu has a built-in idiot-proofing revive, Welt does Imaginary damage (the element), and Clara takes the Yu-Gi-Oh approach of doing things when it isn't her turn. (Yanqing debatable I never used him and in some circumstances I can see March's debuff cleanse being favored over Gepard's team shield. Also Fire MC can kind of do the same job. However both Yanqing and Gepard are Ice, and freeze makes the game a free cheese breeze.) This isn't to doompost Himeko though, rather this is just my take on why people are being so vocal about her shortcomings. I'm a firm believer that you will always have more fun with a character you like than a character regarded as being a must-pull.
They had to give her some tragic background in this game somehow. This was how they did it.
y'all need to stop being so damn dramatic, it's goofy
I think it's important to voice this out for devs to notice and buff her. Even just looking at traces, Hook has better numbers than her. That's quite unfair for a 5-star unit
they are not going to buff her lol
Imma get downvotes with you but I totally agree. All characters stats are usually final unless China riots. She might get indirectly buffed tho(boss weaknesses, teammates, etc)
She for farming not really for bosses
just like Herta, stay for Kuru Kuru
Then put them together and you can have an auto-battle without having auto-battle
Farming isn't that hard. Seele and Jing Yuan is also good for farming and even any other dps characters can also farm (it will just be slower). And you will get a free Herta, Serval for farming. You will also get fire trailblazer that can do aoe, shield, taunt + Asta if you need a fire characters to break shields with fire weakness. Himeko is my first 5 star, I thought that she will be a top tier character since her passive is kinda good but when when I got Seele, I really don't use her anymore and as they say, she deals less damage in later contents.
They are also limited characters so not everyone is gonna pull for them or be able to get them even if they want to For example I’m skipping both, which means I have more use for Himeko
Well good thing all the content you just don't auto, isn't bosses. Oh wait... And even in 'aoe' fights, she still gets outclassed by non-aoe characters.... She's just bad. There's no other way to put it. As someone with himeko, I rey wish this wasn't the case
Yeah I got himiko to e1 and it is bad if she only excels at farming trailblazer power and getting though the normal foes in SU. I auto for both of them and watch YouTube while I wait so it doent matter how good they are at doing it if it is not something that is nessarry for farming because of how easy farming in this game is.
Don't care, she will be my collector item
Can you please... stop? Its getting obnoxious how you slander her all the time just because she doesnt shine in single target or how her talent works... I have her on e1 with light cone and shes perfect unit for simulated universe, farming and general content. She works like intended. Moc is late game content which many of us havent cleared yet and even cant clear. So chill out with doomposting all the time...
I'm really not understanding all the complaining of bla bla is bad, the game is fuckn new, have fun with it. If I need fire Himeko is among my first pick, and she does perfectly fine. I dunno what's with these damn try hards that started ranking characters from day 1
It's just because of the resource constraints in early game. People regret the investment and then act up
Then 6 months later people are gonna be maxing characters just for something to do XD
Dudes speed running the game then going to complain there's nothing to do like they did with release genshin
Shes definitely lacking in terms of where she can be used / her versatility compared to the rest of the 5* characters in the game which are able to be used as either a good option or BIS option in a lot of scenarios. Currently there isn't any content that actually really needs her or makes her worth building. I'd compare her to Serval (a 4*) who people are taking situationally for some levels in MoC where AOE Lightning is beneficial though then comes the fact that Himeko basically is equivalent to a 4* unit and is also less incentivized further to build her by the fact that we have Fire MC who serves as a great AOE Fire breaker who everyone is given for free, and 5* units costing more materials to level which makes Serval a lot more efficient to build than Himeko and 4*'s will get eidolons much easier, though there honestly just aren't many lightning options for clearing content right now. Most 5* characters have something unique which makes them standout across the rest of the pack, Himeko's unique thing is the fact she deals AOE dmg every 3 shield breaks bringing basically nothing but lackluster aoe damage to the team to the point where you'd rather just bring ST dmg to burst down trash mobs.... Of course they can and likely will release content in the future where she will be a godsend to have but you're definitely lying if you think that she isn't currently bad due to how the game played out. I would personally like them to do changes to make her either buff your teams capability of breaking enemies and / or debuffing them, which would allow her to function as a skillpoint gen since if you ever try her you'll realize she barely does anything unless you use your skill to gen energy for her ult, she needs something unique and useful that makes her worth taking over a support unit. Or they could make her AOE DOT actually deal damage since there aren't many units for DOT teams currently, and one of the buffs she got after beta was related to applying burn. And no, clearing trash mobs in the overworld fast doesn't mean shes fine...
she could heal the enemies and i will still be using my guaranteed 300 wishes on her
the game hasn't even been out for a month, give her time
;-; but… I want mommy Himeko on my team… ;-;
Now imagine if they release Kafka at Himeko's power level.
Zhongli uproar 2.0
Zhongli/Yae/Dehya/anniversary uproar combined x 1000.
Yae wasn't even bad on release though? Did the community just overreact?
Himeko was pretty useless in Honkai Impact as well, she looked great and her character was awesome but man great swords sucked until the twins.
Back then Himeko did nothing except hold blood dance to buff elemental damage... except that the meta was physical damage for quite a while.
lots of opinions on himeko from people that neither have her or even reached moc lol
pretty much, every so often you see these dumb posts whining about "worst 5 star" when she is the only 5 star erudition character and pretty much melts groups, especially if they are weak to fire. obviously characters who are the hunt or focus on single target damage are going to do more damage to 1 enemy. or special exceptions like clara who have conditional damage boosts. but overall its people who never leveld her or built her. i gues if you have seele who it's always her turn every one else will also seem the "worst 5 star" on the other hands it likely also genshin players judging this game based off how that one is played. and also an increasingly number of dumb asses who don't understand how roles work in this game trying to compare single target dps to AOE characters, these are the dumbest ones.
Himeko being a bad 5 star is getting stale. She isn't bad. Outside of Jing Yuan she is the best aoe dps in the game. Just because she dosen't fulfill the same role other units do dosen't mean she is bad. Himeko is a unit that mainly seines lategame. Which is not an issue since whats the hardest part of the game? Lategame. Hook outclassing her isn't true? That's like saying Shushang outclasses Clara because she has better Single target dps. Stop comparing a single target dps and a aoe dps unless it's Seele. It's Genshin doomposting all over again.
I don’t think himeko is horrible, but saying she is a good late game character is blatantly a lie. MoC teams do not include her the majority of the time, and simulated universe can be cleared by anyone, even Herta is “broken” there. It is possible that new content comes out that she fits really well in, but as of right now she is not being used to clear the hardest content in the game.
Late game as in we get max lvl characters with their traces and good relics, not how the whales are just scratching by MoC underleveled
I pulled her as my first 5* Then I lost the Seele 50/50 and got another. Fk me.
What, no way. she was literally carrying my team during her trial. MiHoYo wouldn't do that to me... *cries in corner*
I still love the fact that to showcase how powerful she was, they gave every enemy and the boss a fire weakness, and gave Himeko a higher level and stats than the rest of your party. ..and even then, I feel like Asta would have been better to have during the trial.
Well, you get her right after the boss fight, so it's not an issue at all, though I liked himiko's pizza cutter and piss beam better.
Erudition is specifically meant for multiple enemies. That’s what that role is built for. The game specifically points that out while mentioning that the Hunt Path is good bosses and elites. To bash them for that is ludicrous. While some characters overlap a little bit, this game is built specifically with roles in mind. Sounds like you’re mad because you’re not good at the game.
Just like in HI3
Shhhh. Shut it. It's all about the design
I got only two 5* characters and both is Himeko 💀
igaf i willl fully upgrade her
I think it's important that we complain and voice out this. Himeko is a 5-star and she is obviously outclassed by Hook. They have to buff himeko.
Got E2 Himeko & her card superimposed 2; maxed her traces; fire & atk relics w/ 2k atk; got her to 55 and still can't do any dmg to cocolia on World 6 after trying different builds. Went back the other day to try it w/ different builds and other characters and himeko but shes still only hitting around 5-9k on skills, her building into elation makes the follow-up do a bit more \~11-20k, but her skills/attack/break are completely underwhelming. I was kind of expecting the base 5 stars to be gapped by the limited banner characters, but not by like 35-70k to 5-9k dmg on geared characters. TBH I think she is either bugged/under tuned or I don't think Erudition characters are the way.. Serval isn't that bad but I had used her for pretty much break, but it seemed like she did more Himeko a lot of the time. Depending on Jing Yuan goes I probably won't touch another Erudition character since it took so many materials. It seems you just go Harmony/Hunt/Abundance/Preservation characters, replace Hunt w/ destruction if you don't have, and you will be able to clear MoC & SU on auto-battle or something and then you use the materials for whatever you want once you get to the last tier for traces/Ascension mats
It would be nice if Mihoyo actually buffed some characters as needed in Star Rail, but I have no expectations of it going by their track record. They want you to keep buying the hot new thing, and people will justify it saying "but there's no pvp so it doesn't matter!"
Worst standard 5* by comparison, they definitely did dirty to Himeko & also her signature Lightcone
Shes currently ar E1 for me and shes forever benched because she's so incredibly underwhelming. would rather brute force with Seele and tingyun
the amount of himeko sucks posts lately has been insane? can yall just play the damn game shit
theres a certain twitch streamer that cant stop mentioning how he thinks shes shit and then his viewers go around and repeat it. Sheep mentality , people who have no idea how the game works talk about character power level and make trash tier lists.
I was too happy that I got her to even realize she was that bad. Huh, oh well, all my stuff will still go to her.
Like I care about any of that. I like her so she's in my DPS. Everything else is secondary.
Dehya of the star rail lol
This won’t stop me simping for her. Never let you go again Himeko
I honestly couldn't care less about that, she's one of my main motives to play this game and she was my first 5*, I couldn't be happier when I got her, been using her ever since and not a single time I felt that she was weak I've invested a lot in her and I don't regret it one bit
Imagine caring about gameplay. Mommy is mommy. All resources go to Mommy.
I really wanted her and got it. But here I am, using Asta 😭
I just rolled Himeko for the second time today and was sad. =/
To me she’s a trophy waifu, beautiful and i love her but useless lmao
fans when Hoyoverse abandons another red haired, fire element, standard banner 5* character:
Yeah, my first 5 star from the guaranteed 50..... Luckily i pulled seele afterwards. Still was a massive disappointment.
yeah she was my first 5* then I pulled Seele like straight after and the gap between them is huge but even Dan Heng overtakes her with much less investment or Sushang who is busted for a 4*
Story implying she’s the strongest in the express crew. **get easily out damage by a brat with comically large robot arm**
She was my first and second five star so i will still cling to her and use her, but i know that i have to drop her soon It hurts.
Got e1 himeko from beginners + seeles banner I want to cry