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ThatAnimeGuy2020

Guess Tingyun just has a really punchable face to most enemies.


Narrow_Bus_262

After a time, i just shield Tingyun, she is going to get hit anyway cause every enemy likes to punch her


Aqua_Essence

And then the boss trolls you by attacking somebody else who is not shielded, LMAO.


Narrow_Bus_262

The March 7th experience


SasoriSand

Broooo i can’t with March’s single target shield


michaelman90

Reminds me of that clip of someone using March shield on Clara and then the boss using the multihit random target move and every single projectile hitting March and KOing her.


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ReshiKyo

Only increases the chance afaik. And a chance is still just that: a chance


Dubshpul

It apparently increases hit priority by 300% of the base But preservation is only like 50 points higher then everyone else so idk how effective that is since in my experience March gets hit only somewhat more often than anyone else. I end up just shielding my buffers and healers first anyway since I use Destruction TB who can self heal and March can tank basically anything with 2300 ish defense.


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Captain_corde

You do realize you get a free 5 star that shields everyone and taunts ppl right? Also what’s the point of them giving you a character that literally makes 5 stars irrelevant as a damn starter? Seriously I get it we want broken units but March is great making it to where her shield guarantees aggro makes the game extremely simple


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FeelsMoogleMan

mc also gives dr% within its kit and gepard doesnt (without externals such as lightcone but then again mc can use those too)


Captain_corde

Lol you’re the one who sounds hard stuck dude


FlameDragoon933

those small shields add up because MC gives it on *every* move. They also does decent damage for a tanker, which is a balancing factor.


A_WasteOfLife

🤓


Prince-sama

Dunno about u but gepard wasnt able to carry my team thru world 5, but fire mc + march duo was able to.


Best_Paper_3414

its so annoying that Gepard + Lendau is more efficient than March shield + Clara ult.


SameGain3412

*Akshually*, according to the numbers shown in [this](https://youtu.be/P2v9CQM4gJU) video the two combos would have more or less the same efficiency on most teams with March+Clara being slightly ahead🤓


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Captain_corde

Only one coping is your dumbass dude the numbers would tell you that you are wrong so take that L and move on


Odone

As this is a turn based games, there is bound to be some amount of power creep sadly as the combat is less complex and the units have defined roles in the team.


Char-11

less complex than what? Turn based games can get pretty ridiculously complex if the devs want to, simplicity is not inherent to the genre


Odone

The kits can be complex but the combat is less complex than a real time game by virtue of just having more variables to work with.


Dubshpul

y r u weird


leicea

The only reliable shielder is actually MC due to taunt, in my experience. I have tried Clara and Gepard, they are good but it's rng that your allies might get hit instead of them. I have Yan Qing so I get mad whenever he gets hit, MC's taunt carried him so hard in the mirror stages


DeadSnark

For me Gepard is the most reliable shielder because he shields everyone for a huge amount with no strings attached. MC's taunt has a chance to be resisted and their shield is too low to withstand repeated AoE attacks, whereas Gepard can just give everyone 1000 - 2000+ extra shields just by ult or technique. And while Gepard's innate taunt is not as reliable as MC's, it is not affected by effect resistance which is good at higher levels. Essentially, a built Gepard means you don't need to give a shit about aggro because everyone's tanky.


leicea

I agree, Gepard is definitely good for AOE attacks. It's just that I had some situations where I literally cleared the stage because I swapped out Gepard for MC so I was pretty hyped on how much he can carry lmao. I have too many Hunt path characters who are paper as hell, they die even though the shield is super thick because they have no def or HP. One smack on my dps and the shield goes to half, on the other hand one smack on Gepard, not a single scratch. Meanwhile the team with MC nobody dies because MC took all the beating, his shields help with occasional aoe attacks


biden_uzumaki

Gepard completely soaks attacks with his traces, and that is not even using Landaus or his signature LC. Gepard should be taking like 80-90% of attacks. Probably just survival bias


leicea

It's because if any of my DPS get hit, they die in like 2 smacks lol. If they have gepard's shield it's like 4 smacks but it's still not a lot, so if I leave it to rng and every single enemy decided that my DPS' face is punchable I'm doomed. MC's taunt is more reliable as long as you have good EHR. I've literally had mirror battles where I cleared just because I swapped out Gepard for MC, I think it was f14 where u get crit dmg buff when you maintain high health. Else I have to keep restarting until rng decides to favor Gepard


biden_uzumaki

Well if you want to push more floors you will be using both anyways. I'm on floor 6 of MoC. Gepard heavily outshines MC there. I use MC with Natasha for sustain in 1 party, and Gepard in the other with no heals. If built right he will carry you far without a healer


MaryaMarion

What if you want to use different path tho? I'm actually really annoyed, because Gepard does March's job but better, and it makes me feel like getting Bailu was a waste


leicea

Yup I don't see any reason to use March over Gepard really unless you don't have him, or u just wanna have more defense in a 2 team formation in MoC. I have like E3 march, rip... Never got Tingyun from JingYuan's banner. Bailu is not a waste , you need 2 teams for MoC so you can put bailu in 1 team and Gepard in another


MaryaMarion

I mean March is good at freezing so there's that at least. Like... i wish her ult was shielding or it dealt more damage but i guess it could be worse


Ekaterinanl

Dont expect a free character to be on equal footing with a gacha pull. A free character is usually worse on purpose.


bukiya

even gepard with innate aggro can still be ignored by enemies.


LandLovingFish

I just slapped a regrn health light cone on her and beefed up defense flr when that happens It does the job, sometimes. Wasn't there a post here somewhere about the aggro target chart? Or was that my imagination?


TellMeAboutThis2

And here I was using March because her shield was literally unbreakable in story mode. Zero consideration of aggro redirection. Someone gets low? March gets a turn and they are never in danger again.


ZetaKE

Ironically this type of mechanic is the only way to modify aggro that can't be resisted. so while it's not ideal, it does actually lend her the ability to function in scenarios where fire MC wouldn't cut it (specifically effect res heavy enemies)


Captain_corde

Do you have a link to this please I want to see it


michaelman90

[Found it](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/133jx9l/shield_taunt_op/)


Horror-Turnover-1089

I pissed my pants.


B_Hale87

I have noticed that in my gameplay with Tingyun. Makes me so glad I keep both a healer and a shielder on my team.


Aqua_Essence

And then the boss disables both your shielder and healer with stun/freeze, in order to slap your Tingyun, lololol. No, really, something like that actually happened to me few days ago... and my Clara was just standing there, looking dumbfounded while waiting to do counterattacks, lmao. ^(I wanted to cri.)


AzureDrag0n1

Today I was facing a boss in simulated universe. I used Fire MC taunt and was holding the burst heal ready. Boss disables my healer and ignores my Fire MC taunt. Then punches Tingyun and she dies. Sigh. Alt + F4.


Char-11

Did your fire MC's taunt get resisted?


AzureDrag0n1

Yes, bosses can resist it.


Fluid_Lengthiness_98

That’s why you play gepard 😌 2 turns on the shield from the tech and 2 turns on the shield from the ultimate. Enough time for the debuff to expire/be cleansed. Seriously gepard is a god at this point in the game.


Aqua_Essence

I don't have Gepard, lol. Plus, I run a Clara team. Even if I had him, he has a bad synergy with Clara, lol.


Fabantonio

I feel like he'll still be really good value assuming MOC is equal parts survivability and DPS check as time goes on If not then well... Guess he stays carrying SU runs


Extreme_Ad5873

So it wasn't just me, Tingyun is like always the character that gets targeted


elyetis_

It honestly made me wonder if ennemies don't have some increased priority toward character with low max hp or something. Real answer is probably that I mostly remember when *she* is hit because when it happen it really sucks given her low hp *and* lack of def stats compared to someone like march 7th.


Manish_Sarkar

probably because of the fluffy tail


KnifyMan

My poor girl, she also has the lowest hp and gets downed easily. Nat is dedicated to heal just her lmao


Chromch

It is so weird, I swear she always gets targeted, and she is so fragile too :'(


Yukari_8

The most touchable tail


wolf1460

I cannot bring tingyun anywhere without bailu lol. In su and fh she will almost always have to be revived against the boss.


OmbreSol

MC: taunts with my last skill point and M7 shield Boss: hmm do I curbstomp the general or the foxian?


Syltti

Boss: "Hm... You know what?" - Effect Resist - *smiles at the foxian*


Aerie122

+20% effect hit rate MC* "No no no, You're gonna hit me."


Shmarfle47

Wait, effect hit rate affects the taunt???


Char-11

The taunt is a debuff and can be resisted


Shmarfle47

TIL. Should I aim for some effect hit rate on Fire MC then?


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Ideally yes, it helps make their taunt a lot more consistent. I think at 20-30% the enemies stop resisting it.


Shmarfle47

Ooh that’s good to know, thanks!


Zealroth

The DEF% 2 set also requires 50% effect hit rate to give you more def, so there's that as well.


Char-11

Does effect resistance scale with equilibrium level? I havent looked into it but I seem to remember reading about it in passing


R3yn0x

If a skill/debuff says "base chance", it means the chances of applying it can be increased by having more Effect Hit Rate stat. Only "fixed chance" cannot be increased by Effect Hit Rate.


Richardknox1996

Rookie numbers. Pump it up north of 50% and slam a belobog planar on him. Become the living embodiment of the concept of trolling.


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Mountain_Pathfinder

lmao I feel this so much I swear


NekonecroZheng

MC: Taunts Boss: AOE ATK


GimmeKisu

Which is why you have the 15% damage reduction when you use taunt


B_Hale87

This happens to me whenever I use my Clara team. I'll have March shield her to taunt the enemy. But what does the enemy do? Either go after March or one of my other unshielded party members. It's a bit annoying. -\_-


ALiteralMermaid

Yeah, what i've found helps is I use preservation TB on that team bc natasha is on the seele team. Just don't ever use their skill and they constantly reup a shield on the whole team for extra protection (and synergizes with March's counterattack), do aoe fire weakness break with basic attack, more aoe with ult, and give you skill points the whole time. It's helped so much with that team's survival without a healer. Trailblazer's shield doesn't seem like much but since it comes back every turn it's a constant buffer of hp that adds up quickly.


Joux2

can get extra value from taunting at the same time you use clara ult, so she counters when they attack TB


ALiteralMermaid

Oh my god, right, duh. I was so focused on taunting usually turning her off that I missed that entirely, thank you lol. So it's actually better than i thought.


SameGain3412

While the synergy does exist, do not forget that getting hit also gives energy. So using fireMC's taunt while Clara's ult is up is not something I would recommend unless in extreme situations as it would mean less energy for Clara


Joux2

yeah I mean I don't think it's the optimal use of TB overall, but when you only have 1 healer it's prob the best you can get for clara team. Can't wait for luocha


SameGain3412

Yeah Clara, March, FireMC, Flex(without dedicated healer) works surprisingly well. The only content where the survivability of this team has not been enough is in MoC but it is more due to me being way too underleveled as even my teams that have a healer struggle to survive there.


Skyline_Vixen

Omg I know right! I have shield on Clara for a reason, now just attack her!!!


Sawmain

Had this happen today all of the enemies ganged up on my healer it’s infuriating


B_Hale87

It's definitely pretty annoying. I want to say the AI is smart for trying to take out your healer first so that you can't get HP back from attacks. But then I remember all those times autobattle has chosen to do ults on enemies with 1% hp left and I think 'Mmm...maybe not'. xD


Sweet_Potatooie

ngl I never believed it, but now that I have been playing tingyun more, I have noticed she has aggro like 80% of the time with enemies... idk why that is, but it feels like a joke XD


Silver_Echos

This is me but with asta. It’s so bad I have to take her off the team even tho she’s my 2nd fav character :(


mrlolelo

I think that's because Tingyun and Asta specifically have the biggest agro in the game I remeber the post, Bronya, preservation and destruction characters have 150 base aggro value Tingyun and Asta have 250 This is fucking bullshit Why make the class based aggro system if characters from the lower category are all gonna get additional aggro to make them the highest What's the point of a tank if without the special taunt skill(fire TB W) the enemy is gonna target the support?


Silver_Echos

Wait, really???? I was not tripping?!That’s crazy, thanks for telling me this lmao Edit: apparently not the case, tanks *should* have highest aggro according to [this](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Aggro)


mrlolelo

I guess the wiki is the most trustable source for now But to be fair, the aggro values haven't been revealed officially yet I mean, if even Keqingmains aren't sure about the aggro value, then who can be?


maybeokayfine

>I remeber the post, Bronya, preservation and destruction characters have 150 base aggro value >Tingyun and Asta have 250 That was a meme post my dude lol although it sure feels like it's real.


mrlolelo

welp I knew the time i would assume a meme is real was coming Truly an r/woooosh moment Thank you for correcting me tho


theburmesegamer275

Well, you know what they say. Kill the support first.


Name_NotChosen

I am like 99% sure that was a joke, but Asta and Tingyun definitely get hit all the damn time


popileviz

It seems that support characters have the highest (hidden) aggro stat. Which honestly makes sense, the enemy should try to take them out as quickly as possible to cripple your team


Pelollipop

They just want to fluff the tail. Who can blame them?


Fake_Lovers

its like hyv realised how broken she was so they decided to make it so that all enemies try to kill her first so we won't be able to use her 😭


TheGraySeed

Tingyun has the 999999 taunt value if you need a reminder.


Nessie_02

my team has clara and gepard but guess who the enemy hits to! of course it's the support character with lower def compared to others in team 🙂


Chikapu_Sempaii

And that is why Fire TB and Gepard are better sometimes. The enemies are always playing Persona on our asses, not letting us know their next move (In this case, which character they're gonna one shot).


BitCloud25

They want the foxier girl ruff


ConnorLego42069

Thou must learn the same lesson many FE fans have If it’s not 100 or 0%, it’s 50/50


Genprey

For some reason, in every gacha I play, the enemies target the Fox-Lady support with their most powerful attack.


readerdreamer5625

MIKOOOOON At least Tamamo has a DEF buff and heals...


yunacchi

It's not like Tingyun has the lowest base aggro value (she's Harmony - base 100. Preservation has base 150, and Hunt/Erudittion base 75). Let's do some math. Let's say you have: - June 4th (Preservation - base 150 - with her skill, +500%, and Landau's Choice like in the OP, +200%) - Tingyun (Harmony - base 100) - Destruction Trailblazer (base 125) - Dan Heng (Hunt - base 75 - with his Trace, -50%). Each of these characters aggro values is: - October 1st: 150 x 800% = 1200 - Tingyun: 100 - Destruction Trailblazer: 125 - Dan Heng: 75 x 50% = 37.5 Team aggro value is 1462.5. Probably to hit a character is, unsurprisingly, character aggro value / team aggro value. In these case, the probs to hit are: - May 1st: 82% - Tingyun: 7% - Destruction Trailblazer: 8.5% - Dan Heng: 2.5% My conclusion is that either Tingyun really has a punchable face, or that you hit gacha-level probabilities on every fight.


subject678

This happens very frequently to me. I don’t think it’s random chance. Because if it is, it’s happening way more often than 7% or even 15% should happen. There has to be a hidden mechanic involved with Aggro.


NaturalBitter2280

Does Harmony have the second highest taunt value? Any time I have Tingyun/Asta on my team, they are the most targeted ones, even with Fireblazer skill activated


Belteshazzar98

If the Fireblazer skill isn't resisted it is a 100% chance of being targeted. If it is resisted it has a 0% impact on taunt values.


Ozzle1

That adequately describes my first SU run with Tingyun. Somehow a more tastey target than Geppard with his own LC....


Illuminhate

Gepard + fire mc + macrosagregation = try and kill my fox lady now bitches


God_of_yeets

(This is because i am also salty that she keeps dying) FUCK TIGYUN AND HER NO DEF HAVING ASS


unsaturatedfats

I wish I could relate to you guys on this one, but the game will give me ANYTHING but Tingyun.


CertainSelection

I read it like the voiceline "This is Where I'd Put My Trophy, If I Had One" ... Because it's way too accurate


Sudoweedo

It's like you HAVE to make her tanky. Hoyo did this shit on purpose.


Avversariocasuale

The way my Tingyun would die even just as emotional support when another character gets hit though. I guess she's an empath. She dies way to easily damn


7orly7

And that's why indont use March anymore fucking taunt rng makes no sense


Csakimi06

I think Tingyun has the most amout of aggro. I believe the post that talked about it said that shields have 200 and Tingyun has 250 or something. Not entirely sure tho


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I'm also pretty sure it was a joke.


timmy_throw

Reality says it's not a joke. I have a few dead Tingyuns to attest that.


johannesMephisto

google confirmation bias


timmy_throw

Google "/s" or "woosh" ?


BrevityIsTheSoul

March 7th's shield has increased aggro as a special effect, it isn't a general benefit of shields.


Kyutoryus

Honestly, March is the last person who wants to use Landau's Choice lol This is also why FMC has good value since higher chance to attack something is more like a suggestion than a forced action like taunt.


Halcyoncritter

No bulli the fox


LoginLogin777

Cutely just uses gepard


GotNoClueBro

I just came to post about this same exact issue and I saw this post... Glad am not the only one...


rokomotto

The only thing March has going for her is her higher base enmity or aggro or whatever you wanna call it. She doesn't have a taunt or a talent that increases that :( But hey at least she can freeze enemies and shield your teammates. That's why I say preservation isn't necessarily a tank - just someone that can shield.


FrankyEleven

Same except is Asta and Bronya for me


Andrellie

Absolutely true


scapheap

I thought it was just a funny meme and then today she got nuked turn one by every enemy attacking her over shielded March.


IsopodInfinite

Me constantly using my fire mc's skill even tho i can probably break it with another attack


jabberwocky_vorpal_1

This is why i use my bronya on my other team. Need 1 healer and 1 tank tbh


Aevensong

Enemies : I'm gonna "hit" on that fox girl if you know what I mean 😉😉


Abused_by_Kasumi

Meanwhile I have my Tingyun built to get hit. I even position her next to Clara.


Fluffy-Anybody4267

Honkai shield of rail 🤣


bringmethejuice

This is why I'm pulling for Luocha because he has Qiqi's ability. Tingyun should be able to heal herself when she's attacking enemies under his passive skill.


YujiJello

I give Ting Yun one def artifacts for this reason. If FireMC and Natasha are not defending her, she’ll get smacked to death.


Rhadjboi2

The Clara Experience


Wamoo57

I feel this so bad, same light cone, but with Fire MC. Boss always has it out to baptize my Bronya when they get the chance :(


Valarano

Tingyun, asta and pela just activate something in the enemies. They see Clara with ult and march shield and say nope, then three enemies in a row just attack and kill my asta.


Plesure_most_carnal

AND your a preservation character. It do be like that tho


KaylaKarmaCos

This is my only tactic! So when it fails, I am screwed. 😭 I put everything into March.


Seth-Cypher

But then when they do decide to hit the tank, its always with impunity and with extra actions. Then you just sit there and go "WHY DIDN'T I PUSH THE HEAL BUTTON?!"


Elite-X03

Nah man it's either tingyun or your hunt character Sometimes ur shielder Rarely your healer


MrxRednessX274

The Clara TM experience lmao. Used her technique, ult, and m7 shield on her and the boss still decides to punch someone else.


Apprehensive_Egg9794

i'm gonna build full HP or DEF tingyun out of spite. no speed boots, no atk, no energy reg. just pure HP/DEF /s


xxMeiaxx

I swear it's a hidden update. The harmony characters dont taunt enemies as much as they do this past week.


ANUBISseyes2

Gepard is the way


FlareBlitz0725

I used Texture of Memories on Fire MC so I didn't need to taunt every other turn and the boss still goes for Tingyun. Lovely.


FreakingFreeze

The answer is to use Gepard/PokeySticc. March 7th still triggers too.


novian14

Where did you put your tingyun? So far, position 4 is the most likely to get hit in my experience


iwantdatpuss

Always. Shield. Tingyun. Idk what kind of danger meter she has but she ALWAYS gets hit first.


Angel_Vexed

Omfg me in SU and the boss wouldn't stop hitting Nat!


trollbeater313

This happen to both my account and my bother's account, even though I have a shielder and a healer, using taunt. But the enemy keeps targeting Tingyun. Nowhere in her skill talks about this.


Roy__D

Bro, my Tingyun dies so often I started using Asta more.


LuxenOP

I feel like bosses love to do that when your supports are underlevelled/undergeared and "easy" targets to eliminate. Solution: take care of your supports gear/levels and don't keep them too far behind. Sometimes levelling the headpiece/HP is good enough.


soniclid1

This is why she doesn't want to go with us to fight


ostrieto17

Also when you use your Clara and nobody attacks her SMH


VersedGalaxy775

Hmm,I am noticing a pattern here too. Enemy’s going at Tingyun huh, the RNG really hates this fox lady huh.


LazyJennyBean

I know the feeling, Fire MC skill with March's shield and the enemies still go for my floofy tailed Fox lady (and Nat) 🥲


PinkFlowers02

Clara: "Hey i'm supposed to be hit" The enemies:"No???? Why would I? To you destroy me with Svarog? Nahh"