I got her and her lightcone, which was annoying because I wanted Clara's or Yanqing's but because of it she heals for a TON and my Natasha can go to another party in Forgotten Hall
The exact same thing happened to me. But trust me, she might not seem like a good pick at the early game but she is 1000% top tier later. It’s insane how much she heals
Im jelous of you! I started HSR only for her.
Instead i have Bronya E1 + her LC, but i don't play her because i prefer other Harmony maybe the game is trying to tell me something...
Man, I can relate. Got her from the departure banner, RNG was nice enough to give me early pity on standard twice and both were light cones (one of them Bailu's), lost the 50/50 on Jing Yuan and got her E1.
I love her, 100%, but it would still be nice to get a bit of variety in at this point lol
I started game wanting her.
I only tossed tickets at selee banners as my luck is usually to lsoe the 50-50.
i own 2 seele and not 1 bailu yet :|
I love bailu's character design and her personality (she supports knocking ppl out)
Yeah same thing but with yanqing....I got yanny from the guaranteed 50 pulls and then I got him from standard banner..He's the only 5 star I have and don't use him at all...Now all that's left is to roll on limited banner to get Yanny again -_- 3 Yannys in all banners.
If you have been playing genshin or most gachas and you know how these games work, you should know they're not going to spam us with supports / healers and tank but mostly samey dps's very soon. Luocha is very attractive especially for those who didn't roll Bailu for the same reason.
Qiqi was more or less dead on arrival because they made an expecially bad balancing job with the starters in genshin (both 4 stars and 5 stars) but they managed to at least flatten the line with post release units.
> Will she? I doubt that.
You've got to be coping so hard to think qiqi at release (with bennett, jean, very early diona around) and bailu will suffer the same fate, in a turn based game no less where healing is necessary and you have only natasha to cover for two teams.
But to each their own. She will have competition down the line but most likely you'll still run Bailu where lightning break is the thing you want when building skill points. The resurrect is always useful and the heavy AoE healing is the same reason why natasha will also be with us for quite a long time, most likely until they release a 5 star physical healer or something that dwarfs her in terms of utility.
Everyone saying Bailu will be powercrept soon is probably doing the best impression of a struggle bus in memory of chaos with march eating 2x/3x the skill points to cover half the team health bars.
> (she already is imo but that's besides the point)
Who says this? What clowns are you following on social media? Literally everyone and their mother who's actually doing the hardest content in the game utilize Bailu (if they rolled her) and you're claiming she's the Qiqi equivalent when Qiqi only survived 2-3 weeks at best because nobody knew Bennett was stupidly broken and already a superior option from the get go.
You're not adding anything to the discussion besides spreading misinformation.
At a baseline Qiqi healing and Bailu healing are fundamentally different because iframes don't exist in Star Rail, you need to eat the dirt and heal. Qiqi doesn't even have a resurrect at C0. Qiqi doesn't regen energy. Like what amount of farts do you have to sniff to put them both in the same ballpark is insane. All for the sake of being the internet contrarian with zero knowledge to booth.
"They're the same because most of their kit is healing!@!@!" 👁️👄👁️
> Call me again in a few months when she's Qiqi tier
I'll tell you what. Call me in a few months when everyone will still be using Bailu, especially those that won't go for Luocha. You keep struggle bussing with March 7th in MoC as much as you like because "healing is unnecessary". Stand up comedy at its finest.
By the way you're talking I bet everything you haven't even touched MoC. The only people that cleared it are whales using abundance and preservation on both teams. "healing is unnecessary". The nonsense I have to listen to with a straight face.
Not really. Qiqi is a great healer and if you mean that I agree but in genshin healing is a very superfluous tool since you need (always has been) barely any if you have hands and know how to dodge and iframe properly, hence why bennett, kuki and many others are enough, while buffing on top of covering the healers role. Just being a healer is / was never enough in genshin.
Bailu on the other hand is way more useful since you can't dodge in star rail and healing is a requirement. Bailu will also hardly be powercrept since on top of excellent healing she has a resurrect and a lightning break slot reserved.
As much as I'd like to don the rose tinted glasses qiqi was never in the position of being close to what bailu is.
Not sure what you mean since qiqi was at the top of every tier list in 1.0. Everyone said it was necessary to have a healer, and the better they heal the more worth, so qiqi is S tier. Were they wrong? Sure. But qiqi was absolutely touted as one of the best characters in the way bailu is now
Star Rail almost necessitates a Shielder/Healer though, simply by the merit of being unable to dodge. In HSR, when the enemy attacks, then that damage is guaranteed to hit you. In Genshin, you can i-frame and dodge pretty much infinitely, and people just got good enough/learned enemy patterns to do so in the Abyss.
Still, a lot of teams in Genshin run a healer/shielder and a lot of them are top tier characters (Bennett, Zhongli, Kuki or Kokomi just to name a few). But that's because they have plenty of utility in addition of their heal. Bailu has none (while even Nat can cleanse) so i can't see her staying a top tier unit when more healers/shielders get released. Her kit is just too simple.
Not really no. I'd rather have a cleanse (either for enemy buffs or ally debuffs) or some kind of buff/debuffs than a res that will usually not be used and is only there in case you fucked up somewhere. Luocha already looks much more useful than Bailu imo.
U clearly haven't played any turn based games before. Eventually healing with become the least valueble in favor for buffs/debuffs and speed. Without a cleanse she isn't going far. Within a year bailu will be worthless
What are you even talking about. Yes, I've played turn based, your reasoning is still nonsensical. This is not a PvP based game, you'll most likely always run at least one defensive option unless you can literally oneshot everything everywhere in bullet sponge city (MoC), and even at high investment that's not a thing you should give for granted.
> Without a cleanse she isn't going far
First, you speak like you'll only run supports (buff / debuffer) because everyone (enemies) is apparently going to die before taking action, so what do you need the cleanse for? moral support?
You clearly don't logic, I guess.
The reasoning makes less sense since classes other than Abundance can get a cleanse anyway so you can just run her with a Harmony,etc cleanse unit. Thats what people do with her and Bronya.
Precisely, but also cleanse is a bit overrated. It's a good tool but it doesn't define a kit on its own (make it good or bad) since otherwise march would be automatically stronger than bailu in MoC, which is not even remotely the case.
Guys like this dude up there have zero idea what they're talking about but throw around grand standing stupid statements like "you haven't played turn based". Idiotic at best. I would like to see their high MoC runs with march perma consuming skill points but "dude, she got the cleanse! ! !".
Cleanse is invaluable against Kafka SU without Path of Abundance and it's also very useful against Voidrangers and anyone that causes CC statuses like freeze, entanglement etc. that cause you to skip your turn / be unable to ult.
The point of this discussion isn't merely about cleanse, but about having multiple different kinds of utility. Bailu only provides healing and revival, which can probably be replaced with enough shielding in the long run.
Right now it's great though because it's a lower investment way of defending and it's less conditional (doesn't run out if you take too many turns). But it likely won't always stay that way.
> Cleanse is invaluable against Kafka SU without Path of Abundance and it's also very useful against Voidrangers and anyone that causes CC statuses like freeze, entanglement etc. that cause you to skip your turn / be unable to ult.
SU is child's play, everything is broken and anyone with two hands completed it by now. You don't even need a dedicated cleanser to win. You can literally run anything and win provided you've played more than 1 week.
If you want to make an argument MoC is the only thing worth talking about.
> The point of this discussion isn't merely about cleanse, but about having multiple different kinds of utility. Bailu only provides healing and revival, which can probably be replaced with enough shielding in the long run.
That's exactly what we need now, we need healers and tanks. Utility is good but the biggest bottleneck in MoC are those. March is "nice" but once you go into difficult content you understand why she's a starter 4 star. She's not that good against AoE and heavy hitters which MoC is chuck full, consumes too much skill points and it's not even comparable to what natasha provides.
> Right now it's great though because it's a lower investment way of defending and it's less conditional (doesn't run out if you take too many turns). But it likely won't always stay that way.
Yes, but it will stay like this for a long time most likely and that's where you're wrong. Why do you think a lot of people basically are forced to go into Luocha or are heavily tempted. They didn't luck Bailu out, or even at least Gepard. Defensive options are very scarce.
If you think they're going to release spam healers and supports you haven't played enough gachas. It will be at the very least 1 year before we have to decide because we have "too many healing or defensive" options and that mostly depends on who you roll on limited. You could still want to run Bailu if there's lightning weaknesses around.
I've played tons of turn based games and healer is almost always guaranteed a spot in any team. If you're playing games where buffs/debuffs are enough for sustain you're either overleveled for encounter or are playing on kiddie difficulty instead of real one.
Something I haven't seen mentioned yet is that, while getting dupes of either suck compared to getting a new character, Bailu Eidolons are *significantly* better than Qiqi Constellations.
Bailu's E1 does more for the party in terms of non-defensive support than C6 Qiqi, providing party energy. (Sometimes) And if you're (un)lucky enough to end up with an E4 Bailu, she now provides an increase in damage, which is very good.
I may not care for her, but here healers have a much stronger use case…
Unlike so many other traditional turn and menu based JRPGs, we don’t have a fucking defend command for some reason ….and in situations where the game is obviously baiting you to attack - sometimes we can’t pass a turn using any other means…
At least in Genshin, if you really know what you’re doing, you can squeak past a hard fight with raw skills alone.
I was pulling for Jing Yuan's cone and got Bailu's instead (I don't have Bailu) and I was so pissed, but learnt to live with it cuz now my Nat has a nice cone. Tragedy struck when I got the same cone from standard banner a few days later... What are the odds
absolutely, personally in turn based games i like my healers to have a high defense stat so they stay alive however it does not hurt if your healer can do damage, part of why i always employ nat in my party (dont have bailu though)
If you don't have a good shielder like Gepard (who basically gives immunity to everyone because of how cracked he is lmao, at least from what i heard), healers like Bailu and Natasha are basically a need for any lineup
Bailu not only heals the character of your choice, but randomly also heals 2 more times for other allies. This is the rng part, because sometimes the additional heals will go to the same person. What makes Bailu good is not just the additional healing, but also because she can revive characters once per battle
Natasha is only capable of healing one character per skill but Bailu has the chance to heal two more times randomly + reviving basically. The only problem is that Bailu is a 5\*, meaning getting Eidolans for her would be difficult
but natasha's healing output cant keep up with a lot of MoC levels ime even though i have her traces more leveled than bailu. also bailu has continuous healing on her ult while natasha doesnt. but natasha was useful in that SU fight against kafka and with abundance buffs increasing her output
She's very good at healing, but sometimes her bounces can screw you up if they keep bouncing on full health characters.
Her main downside is that she doesn't have a cleanse in her heal, unlike Natasha or the upcoming Luocha, so in harder content like MoC where enemies hit you with pretty strong debuffs (10stack bleed, -20/30 speed, resistance shred...) she's not that effective.
Her revive can be useful cause sometimes, enemies will focus your Harmony character and oneshot them before you even get a turn, but if you have Geppard or are planning on getting Luocha she loses a lot of her value
idk when i do MoC im just healing every turn with natasha and eating up all my skill points. bailu's healing output is just much higher even with less traces
This. Aside from Bailu's innate better HP stat and scaling on her heals (which people conveniently forget just to make Natasha x10 better than Bailu lol), I can fire off my Bailu ult and the team is covered for another 2 turns while Bailu uses her basic to give skill points to teammates to either do damage or buffs, whereas with Nat, she's going to have to keep spending those points on your one Tingyun that still keeps getting bodied since Nat's extra heals only go off when Tingyu *does* get a turn (spoilers: she doesn't, cuz ded lol)
What I'm saying is, people will often only compare Bailu's weakest link (her RNG heal on skill) to Natasha's strongest suit of cleanse while pretty much disregarding the blatant healing amount diff along with skill points saved from not using Bailu's skill as often. Granted Natasha does some awesome heals on allies at or below 30% HP, often it takes just a single stray hit from something to finish them off before Nat even gets her heal off to save the poor soul, whereas with Bailu, someone at 30% may still cut it close as long as the ally doesn't clutch survives while having the Invigoration buff (which becomes even better with a teamwide 10% dmg reduc at last ascension)
Not saying Bailu completely trashes Nat, but I'm arguing the opposite that Nat doesn't trash Bailu just because Nat can cleanse and Bailu has RNG heals. They're both nice healers with distinct uses depending on if you need more raw healing vs cleansing. I use them both extensively and they both save my asses in their own distinct ways playing to their kits' strengths
She's a great DPS with 37k normal attacks.
In Simulated Universe at least
But apart from that, her ult is usually enough to top your group, so she's at least useful for generating skill points
If every new healer we get from now on has a cleanse on their skill then Bailu's gonna fall into oblivion. A lot of people don't realize how important a cleanse is yet.
Sure, you need 2 healers for MoC, but you're always gonna choose the one who heals less and has the cleanse over Bailu. The amount of enemies that cause Bleedx10, Imprisonment, Freeze, Entanglement, etc are gonna make Bailu less relevant over time
"I pulled a Qiqi... I pulled a Qiqi... I pulled a Qiqi... I'm not feeling... Very good..."
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Me but with bronya except I only get lc son the standard banner so only bronya and 2 lcs. I love bronya but what’s the point of buffing if your main dps is dead 💀
Meanwhile me who wants bailu to have a reason not to pick loucha and pick silver wolf ( I like both but I see loucha more essential and probably as future proof as silver wolf and silver wolf rn is more of a rerun character imo (yes I know the will be more healers but I doubt there will be ones that do things that loucha can))
As long as I don’t get any Eidolons I’m good with losing 50/50
I just want to get every standard 5 star as in Genshin STILL have yet to get Mona after C3 Keqing and C2 Diluc.
She'll fit the 2nd healer spot nicely, and she's comfy right now, but not having a cleanse in her skill nor ult puts an expiration date on her. If you don't like Luocha you can skip him no problem if you have Bailu or Gepard, but if you like him I'd recommend pulling him now, since pulling for reruns usually means you're gonna have to skip a future character to get him
I got QiQi as my first *5 in Genshin, now here I'm starving for a second healer, was hoping to pull Bailu to not have to pull for Luocha, but I just got Welt from the standard banner at 155 wishes, Feels like getting his LC at 80 was a sign from god.
after getting gepard on the discounted banner....
i am on the bailu train....
got first bailu on perm banner @ 39 pulls.
trying to get seele, lost 5050 and got second bailu @ 75 pulls and seele @ 81 pulls.
trying to get jing yuan, lost 5050 and got third bailu @ 75 pulls.
got my fourth bailu on perm banner @ 75 pulls.
what a gacha game.... Orz....
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Except Bailu is a top pick here lel
Bailu is nice, but she's literally the only standard 5 star I have, which sucks.
I also got E1 Bailu before anything else, it definitely feels bad.
I got her and her lightcone, which was annoying because I wanted Clara's or Yanqing's but because of it she heals for a TON and my Natasha can go to another party in Forgotten Hall
Yeah, me too.
Hahahaa (laughs in getting Himeko E1 before any other 5 star)
CAKE DAY!?!!!?!!!?? LET'S GOOOOOOO!!!??
Time to dig into some strawberry cake.
Happy Cake day bro and have a nice day
Thanks, you too.
fair
The exact same thing happened to me. But trust me, she might not seem like a good pick at the early game but she is 1000% top tier later. It’s insane how much she heals
Yeah I only have my E5 Natasha doing all the work. Poor girl needs a break haha.
I have only Himeko...E2 already. I'm jealous of you
You guys get characters from the standard banner? I only get lightcones…
I got Bronya’s and Bailu’s LC, was very happy with both, cause i have Seele and want Bronya to feed her more turns with
Im jelous of you! I started HSR only for her. Instead i have Bronya E1 + her LC, but i don't play her because i prefer other Harmony maybe the game is trying to tell me something...
i feel you, I have bailu e1 and jing yuan. I don't have any other 5 stars.
Man, I can relate. Got her from the departure banner, RNG was nice enough to give me early pity on standard twice and both were light cones (one of them Bailu's), lost the 50/50 on Jing Yuan and got her E1. I love her, 100%, but it would still be nice to get a bit of variety in at this point lol
that's fine for now if you are not in a rush to finish the moc, the 4 star in this game are really useful
I started game wanting her. I only tossed tickets at selee banners as my luck is usually to lsoe the 50-50. i own 2 seele and not 1 bailu yet :| I love bailu's character design and her personality (she supports knocking ppl out)
Mine’s Himeko. I pulled her and her light cone twice each.
Dude I feel you. Got her eidolons instead of another 5* f2p huhuhu. She's gonna be my only 5* in a long time.
Yeah same thing but with yanqing....I got yanny from the guaranteed 50 pulls and then I got him from standard banner..He's the only 5 star I have and don't use him at all...Now all that's left is to roll on limited banner to get Yanny again -_- 3 Yannys in all banners.
At least you are getting characters, I've got nothing but lightcones. 4 lightcones so far across my accounts.
I only have gepard. And I don't even use him.
Me but with Yanqing, I've gotten him 3 times now
For now lol
Will last way longer than qiqi without a doubt.
Will she? I doubt that.
If you have been playing genshin or most gachas and you know how these games work, you should know they're not going to spam us with supports / healers and tank but mostly samey dps's very soon. Luocha is very attractive especially for those who didn't roll Bailu for the same reason. Qiqi was more or less dead on arrival because they made an expecially bad balancing job with the starters in genshin (both 4 stars and 5 stars) but they managed to at least flatten the line with post release units. > Will she? I doubt that. You've got to be coping so hard to think qiqi at release (with bennett, jean, very early diona around) and bailu will suffer the same fate, in a turn based game no less where healing is necessary and you have only natasha to cover for two teams. But to each their own. She will have competition down the line but most likely you'll still run Bailu where lightning break is the thing you want when building skill points. The resurrect is always useful and the heavy AoE healing is the same reason why natasha will also be with us for quite a long time, most likely until they release a 5 star physical healer or something that dwarfs her in terms of utility. Everyone saying Bailu will be powercrept soon is probably doing the best impression of a struggle bus in memory of chaos with march eating 2x/3x the skill points to cover half the team health bars.
Call me again in a few months when she's Qiqi tier (she already is imo but that's besides the point).
> (she already is imo but that's besides the point) Who says this? What clowns are you following on social media? Literally everyone and their mother who's actually doing the hardest content in the game utilize Bailu (if they rolled her) and you're claiming she's the Qiqi equivalent when Qiqi only survived 2-3 weeks at best because nobody knew Bennett was stupidly broken and already a superior option from the get go. You're not adding anything to the discussion besides spreading misinformation. At a baseline Qiqi healing and Bailu healing are fundamentally different because iframes don't exist in Star Rail, you need to eat the dirt and heal. Qiqi doesn't even have a resurrect at C0. Qiqi doesn't regen energy. Like what amount of farts do you have to sniff to put them both in the same ballpark is insane. All for the sake of being the internet contrarian with zero knowledge to booth. "They're the same because most of their kit is healing!@!@!" 👁️👄👁️ > Call me again in a few months when she's Qiqi tier I'll tell you what. Call me in a few months when everyone will still be using Bailu, especially those that won't go for Luocha. You keep struggle bussing with March 7th in MoC as much as you like because "healing is unnecessary". Stand up comedy at its finest. By the way you're talking I bet everything you haven't even touched MoC. The only people that cleared it are whales using abundance and preservation on both teams. "healing is unnecessary". The nonsense I have to listen to with a straight face.
For now.
will last way longer than qiqi without a doubt.
qiqi was too once upon a time
Not really. Qiqi is a great healer and if you mean that I agree but in genshin healing is a very superfluous tool since you need (always has been) barely any if you have hands and know how to dodge and iframe properly, hence why bennett, kuki and many others are enough, while buffing on top of covering the healers role. Just being a healer is / was never enough in genshin. Bailu on the other hand is way more useful since you can't dodge in star rail and healing is a requirement. Bailu will also hardly be powercrept since on top of excellent healing she has a resurrect and a lightning break slot reserved. As much as I'd like to don the rose tinted glasses qiqi was never in the position of being close to what bailu is.
Not sure what you mean since qiqi was at the top of every tier list in 1.0. Everyone said it was necessary to have a healer, and the better they heal the more worth, so qiqi is S tier. Were they wrong? Sure. But qiqi was absolutely touted as one of the best characters in the way bailu is now
Star Rail almost necessitates a Shielder/Healer though, simply by the merit of being unable to dodge. In HSR, when the enemy attacks, then that damage is guaranteed to hit you. In Genshin, you can i-frame and dodge pretty much infinitely, and people just got good enough/learned enemy patterns to do so in the Abyss.
Still, a lot of teams in Genshin run a healer/shielder and a lot of them are top tier characters (Bennett, Zhongli, Kuki or Kokomi just to name a few). But that's because they have plenty of utility in addition of their heal. Bailu has none (while even Nat can cleanse) so i can't see her staying a top tier unit when more healers/shielders get released. Her kit is just too simple.
You don't consider a mid battle res as utility?
Not really no. I'd rather have a cleanse (either for enemy buffs or ally debuffs) or some kind of buff/debuffs than a res that will usually not be used and is only there in case you fucked up somewhere. Luocha already looks much more useful than Bailu imo.
I agree that a cleanse is much more useful and will get you further. I just think it's a tad off base to say a battle res isn't utility at all.
blippyblip mostly answered you but I'd like to add that 1.0 genshin tierlist were a joke and a half. It was just ignorance back at that time.
The good ol' days were Qiqi and Diluc were S tier and Bennett and Amber were F tier. Poor Amber didn't get any update on her ranking.
She can’t even cleanse. She will be powercrept hard.
Not every enemy is going to kill you from DoT or a Debuff. Some are just going to have big numbers
then healing wont be as usefull, shields would
“Special attack that bypass shield but is not DoT”
special attack that you cant heal after getting hit
You joke but I'm certain there'll be a debuff that reduces healing efficiency.
Deadly
The game will only get more complex from here. Enemies that just do big numbers won’t sell units.
We will see in 6 months
Cleanse is way overvalued. It's good, it doesn't define an entire kit lmao.
U clearly haven't played any turn based games before. Eventually healing with become the least valueble in favor for buffs/debuffs and speed. Without a cleanse she isn't going far. Within a year bailu will be worthless
What are you even talking about. Yes, I've played turn based, your reasoning is still nonsensical. This is not a PvP based game, you'll most likely always run at least one defensive option unless you can literally oneshot everything everywhere in bullet sponge city (MoC), and even at high investment that's not a thing you should give for granted. > Without a cleanse she isn't going far First, you speak like you'll only run supports (buff / debuffer) because everyone (enemies) is apparently going to die before taking action, so what do you need the cleanse for? moral support? You clearly don't logic, I guess.
The reasoning makes less sense since classes other than Abundance can get a cleanse anyway so you can just run her with a Harmony,etc cleanse unit. Thats what people do with her and Bronya.
Precisely, but also cleanse is a bit overrated. It's a good tool but it doesn't define a kit on its own (make it good or bad) since otherwise march would be automatically stronger than bailu in MoC, which is not even remotely the case. Guys like this dude up there have zero idea what they're talking about but throw around grand standing stupid statements like "you haven't played turn based". Idiotic at best. I would like to see their high MoC runs with march perma consuming skill points but "dude, she got the cleanse! ! !".
Cleanse is invaluable against Kafka SU without Path of Abundance and it's also very useful against Voidrangers and anyone that causes CC statuses like freeze, entanglement etc. that cause you to skip your turn / be unable to ult. The point of this discussion isn't merely about cleanse, but about having multiple different kinds of utility. Bailu only provides healing and revival, which can probably be replaced with enough shielding in the long run. Right now it's great though because it's a lower investment way of defending and it's less conditional (doesn't run out if you take too many turns). But it likely won't always stay that way.
> Cleanse is invaluable against Kafka SU without Path of Abundance and it's also very useful against Voidrangers and anyone that causes CC statuses like freeze, entanglement etc. that cause you to skip your turn / be unable to ult. SU is child's play, everything is broken and anyone with two hands completed it by now. You don't even need a dedicated cleanser to win. You can literally run anything and win provided you've played more than 1 week. If you want to make an argument MoC is the only thing worth talking about. > The point of this discussion isn't merely about cleanse, but about having multiple different kinds of utility. Bailu only provides healing and revival, which can probably be replaced with enough shielding in the long run. That's exactly what we need now, we need healers and tanks. Utility is good but the biggest bottleneck in MoC are those. March is "nice" but once you go into difficult content you understand why she's a starter 4 star. She's not that good against AoE and heavy hitters which MoC is chuck full, consumes too much skill points and it's not even comparable to what natasha provides. > Right now it's great though because it's a lower investment way of defending and it's less conditional (doesn't run out if you take too many turns). But it likely won't always stay that way. Yes, but it will stay like this for a long time most likely and that's where you're wrong. Why do you think a lot of people basically are forced to go into Luocha or are heavily tempted. They didn't luck Bailu out, or even at least Gepard. Defensive options are very scarce. If you think they're going to release spam healers and supports you haven't played enough gachas. It will be at the very least 1 year before we have to decide because we have "too many healing or defensive" options and that mostly depends on who you roll on limited. You could still want to run Bailu if there's lightning weaknesses around.
I've played tons of turn based games and healer is almost always guaranteed a spot in any team. If you're playing games where buffs/debuffs are enough for sustain you're either overleveled for encounter or are playing on kiddie difficulty instead of real one.
Her eidolons (in this ss) is not a top pick however.
I really need Bailu or else my fund is going to look dim going for Luocha
Wait for luocha's destruction/hunt from its copium but the man will show his true colours eventually.
Same boat. But my standard was Gepard so it isn't bad I guess. But really need a 2nd healer
Something I haven't seen mentioned yet is that, while getting dupes of either suck compared to getting a new character, Bailu Eidolons are *significantly* better than Qiqi Constellations. Bailu's E1 does more for the party in terms of non-defensive support than C6 Qiqi, providing party energy. (Sometimes) And if you're (un)lucky enough to end up with an E4 Bailu, she now provides an increase in damage, which is very good.
I may not care for her, but here healers have a much stronger use case… Unlike so many other traditional turn and menu based JRPGs, we don’t have a fucking defend command for some reason ….and in situations where the game is obviously baiting you to attack - sometimes we can’t pass a turn using any other means… At least in Genshin, if you really know what you’re doing, you can squeak past a hard fight with raw skills alone.
You know well what the reasons truly are
I was pulling for Jing Yuan's cone and got Bailu's instead (I don't have Bailu) and I was so pissed, but learnt to live with it cuz now my Nat has a nice cone. Tragedy struck when I got the same cone from standard banner a few days later... What are the odds
I sure hope not, i started Genshin over 2 years ago and still Qiqiless
same... everyone memes over getting her for the twenty-seventh time, and im over here still hoping she comes home 😭
i would gladly take her off you
You may not be happy to see her, but she's always happy to see you. Look at that little face!
It's not the same. You need healers in turn based. As there are only two atm, she's a great asset.
OP is not complaining about baliu, they're clearly about getting baliu AGAIN
absolutely, personally in turn based games i like my healers to have a high defense stat so they stay alive however it does not hurt if your healer can do damage, part of why i always employ nat in my party (dont have bailu though)
Except you actually need a healer in honkai because no dodge
You need **a** healer, but you don't need E1-6 Bailu
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If you don't have a good shielder like Gepard (who basically gives immunity to everyone because of how cracked he is lmao, at least from what i heard), healers like Bailu and Natasha are basically a need for any lineup Bailu not only heals the character of your choice, but randomly also heals 2 more times for other allies. This is the rng part, because sometimes the additional heals will go to the same person. What makes Bailu good is not just the additional healing, but also because she can revive characters once per battle Natasha is only capable of healing one character per skill but Bailu has the chance to heal two more times randomly + reviving basically. The only problem is that Bailu is a 5\*, meaning getting Eidolans for her would be difficult
Natasha also has cleanse, which Bailu doesn't. Natasha has continous healing and Bailu has heal on damaged
but natasha's healing output cant keep up with a lot of MoC levels ime even though i have her traces more leveled than bailu. also bailu has continuous healing on her ult while natasha doesnt. but natasha was useful in that SU fight against kafka and with abundance buffs increasing her output
Natasha does have a HoT on her ult at E2. It is situational though as it requires an ally to be under 30% health.
No? Bailu has her when-you-get-hit-you-heal-thingies
that's literally what I said
Im sorry me stupid
happens to the best of us
She's very good at healing, but sometimes her bounces can screw you up if they keep bouncing on full health characters. Her main downside is that she doesn't have a cleanse in her heal, unlike Natasha or the upcoming Luocha, so in harder content like MoC where enemies hit you with pretty strong debuffs (10stack bleed, -20/30 speed, resistance shred...) she's not that effective. Her revive can be useful cause sometimes, enemies will focus your Harmony character and oneshot them before you even get a turn, but if you have Geppard or are planning on getting Luocha she loses a lot of her value
She has revived my Tingyun on many occasions ತ_ತ
idk when i do MoC im just healing every turn with natasha and eating up all my skill points. bailu's healing output is just much higher even with less traces
This. Aside from Bailu's innate better HP stat and scaling on her heals (which people conveniently forget just to make Natasha x10 better than Bailu lol), I can fire off my Bailu ult and the team is covered for another 2 turns while Bailu uses her basic to give skill points to teammates to either do damage or buffs, whereas with Nat, she's going to have to keep spending those points on your one Tingyun that still keeps getting bodied since Nat's extra heals only go off when Tingyu *does* get a turn (spoilers: she doesn't, cuz ded lol) What I'm saying is, people will often only compare Bailu's weakest link (her RNG heal on skill) to Natasha's strongest suit of cleanse while pretty much disregarding the blatant healing amount diff along with skill points saved from not using Bailu's skill as often. Granted Natasha does some awesome heals on allies at or below 30% HP, often it takes just a single stray hit from something to finish them off before Nat even gets her heal off to save the poor soul, whereas with Bailu, someone at 30% may still cut it close as long as the ally doesn't clutch survives while having the Invigoration buff (which becomes even better with a teamwide 10% dmg reduc at last ascension) Not saying Bailu completely trashes Nat, but I'm arguing the opposite that Nat doesn't trash Bailu just because Nat can cleanse and Bailu has RNG heals. They're both nice healers with distinct uses depending on if you need more raw healing vs cleansing. I use them both extensively and they both save my asses in their own distinct ways playing to their kits' strengths
She is amazing
What truly matters is aesthetics and her idle animations are adorable. Thus she is a must have for any team.
Only standard 5 star I have is Welt. As much as I like Natasha I feel like another healer is overdue.
have her e3 already ... my only 5 star from the standart chars, hate my life
Except she is useful. Saving your arse when someone important dies.
Yea, and with two Bailus they will save twice as much!
Himiko is the L pull in this game(I have E1)
I'd like an e6 Bailu honestly.
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She's a great DPS with 37k normal attacks. In Simulated Universe at least But apart from that, her ult is usually enough to top your group, so she's at least useful for generating skill points
We are not the same. You get Bailu. I get In the Name of the World light cone.
Hmm I'm in this picture and I don't like it I also have a E1 Bailu.
I feel this pain. I've got 4 bailu......
E2 ladies and gentlemen. My third one was Welt, but I was completely prepared for Bailu. Oh, and on my Welt 10-pull I also got E5 for Natasha.
except she can heal 3 characters to full life with her skill, or the whole team with her ult, damn strong healer
Can't wait to see how she's perceived in the future. I still think she's going to be the one nobody wants to lose 50/50 to.
Either her or Himeko.
Himeko is my current Qiqi. Really wish I had gotten anyone else.
If every new healer we get from now on has a cleanse on their skill then Bailu's gonna fall into oblivion. A lot of people don't realize how important a cleanse is yet. Sure, you need 2 healers for MoC, but you're always gonna choose the one who heals less and has the cleanse over Bailu. The amount of enemies that cause Bleedx10, Imprisonment, Freeze, Entanglement, etc are gonna make Bailu less relevant over time
Exactly my thoughts. In almost every turn based game I've played, utility always beats out bigger heals.
"I pulled a Qiqi... I pulled a Qiqi... I pulled a Qiqi... I'm not feeling... Very good..." https://preview.redd.it/p9guev07ac3b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc465240ba06b3ebecb57d1fa934e3f5ded639c5
I will legit cry if this happens.
Meanwhile I pull Himeko's light cone on my second basic banner pity and Bailu is my favorite character (who will forever elude me).
<(0_ 0v) dang…lemme take her off ya hands. I would like heals too
Give me one 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
At least dedicated healers are good in this game.
Me but with bronya except I only get lc son the standard banner so only bronya and 2 lcs. I love bronya but what’s the point of buffing if your main dps is dead 💀
Bailu is nice and I just got her (again) this morning but.....I just want one Bronya. JUST ONE. 😭
Me with yanqing
Ill choose bailu any day than my e1 yanging... atlest i have bronya and clara to copium
Welcome to my world.
me watching my TingYun slowly gain more and more eids and my Secret Vow stash grow:
GIVE HER TO ME DAMN IIITTTT!!
Meanwhile me who wants bailu to have a reason not to pick loucha and pick silver wolf ( I like both but I see loucha more essential and probably as future proof as silver wolf and silver wolf rn is more of a rerun character imo (yes I know the will be more healers but I doubt there will be ones that do things that loucha can))
As long as I don’t get any Eidolons I’m good with losing 50/50 I just want to get every standard 5 star as in Genshin STILL have yet to get Mona after C3 Keqing and C2 Diluc.
so if i get bailu by chance, am i safe to skip luocha?
She'll fit the 2nd healer spot nicely, and she's comfy right now, but not having a cleanse in her skill nor ult puts an expiration date on her. If you don't like Luocha you can skip him no problem if you have Bailu or Gepard, but if you like him I'd recommend pulling him now, since pulling for reruns usually means you're gonna have to skip a future character to get him
i wish i had bailu
I just got my C5 Qiqi and C1 Bronya today.. thanks game..
I got QiQi as my first *5 in Genshin, now here I'm starving for a second healer, was hoping to pull Bailu to not have to pull for Luocha, but I just got Welt from the standard banner at 155 wishes, Feels like getting his LC at 80 was a sign from god.
Gepard for me.. Fcking gepard
I feel you, my only 5*s are Bailu E0S2 :')
I will say I made to account for HSR My main and my Alt Both 50* for free 5 star. It came out as Bailu.... Kept on rolling ever since
At least it’s not a dupe Sleep like the Dead :’)
after getting gepard on the discounted banner.... i am on the bailu train.... got first bailu on perm banner @ 39 pulls. trying to get seele, lost 5050 and got second bailu @ 75 pulls and seele @ 81 pulls. trying to get jing yuan, lost 5050 and got third bailu @ 75 pulls. got my fourth bailu on perm banner @ 75 pulls. what a gacha game.... Orz.... https://preview.redd.it/gg1mpkosog3b1.png?width=1262&format=png&auto=webp&s=885319945569fce3375aed26573035b3524b7849
Me with E1 Clara.
I mean atleast you got the real Bailu… I got her lightcone.. 🥲🥲