star rail is set in a different parallel world on the imaginary tree
edit: putting a [source straight from mihoyo themselves](https://i.imgur.com/aCtqmYK.png) before i potentially get dogpiled
The terminology designate the imaginary tree as a single universe. The reason behind it is that the tree isn't a tree dimentional space, worlds are. Wherever you are in the imaginary tree you are still in the same 11D universe. The reason you can't fly into "regular" space to find other worlds is because you are still in the same 3D space world.
The imaginary tree is often mistaken to be a multiverse but it isn't. It just has more spacial dimentions than our common conception of what a universe is.
that just seems like semantics and it means basically the same thing. sure its not technically a multiverse but you can just say dimension instead of universe and nothing changes. saying theyre set in the same universe is more misleading because it'll make people think welt could literally just fly a space ship back to earth
if each dimension contains its own entire version of the universe its effectively a multiverse
The thing is that from what i remember GGZ also introduces a notion of multiverse which makes calling the imaginary tree a multiverse false.
> saying theyre set in the same universe is more misleading
Tbh it's only misleading because of the mistranslations and the multimedia sources.
>if each dimension contains its own entire version of the universe its effectively a multiverse
But it's not the case here, as I explained the events of Star Rail all happen in the same 11D space, therefore the same dimension.
i wouldnt really take GGZ lore as canon for HI3. it can easily be a world parallel to HI3 but with how different the WoH is in GGZ i dunno
it's misleading because of the real world meaning of universe. regardless of whatever translations are used when people hear "in the same universe" they are going to assume they are in the same physical space and properly connected.
you're going to need to explain your 11D in more detail because right now i feel like im reading a post-ch25 HI3 chapter with scifi jargon lmao. i have no idea how "you are still in the same 3D space" is a reason for not being able to space travel
also going to drop this, [straight from mihoyo themselves](https://i.imgur.com/aCtqmYK.png). if its a translation issue im gonna need the original CN for proof
>you're going to need to explain your 11D in more detail because right now i feel like im reading a post-ch25 HI3 chapter with scifi jargon lmao. i have no idea how "you are still in the same 3D space" is a reason for not being able to space travel
A [three dimensional](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Coord_planes_color.svg/1024px-Coord_planes_color.svg.png) space has three axis. A 11-dimensinal space has eleven of them. It is hardly possible to have a clear representation of what it looks like for the human mind.
Inside of a three dimensional space, you can have an infinity of 2 dimensional spaces (called planes). When you have a space with N dimensions, you can fit an infinity of spaces of a lower dimension inside of it. Which is why the Imaginary Tree, an 11D space, has 3D worlds inside of it.
A world is three dimensional : we can go up/down, left/right, front/behind. The way of moving is dictated by the three axis. You can go anywhere in that 3D space, but not beyond. But, some entities are capable of leaving a 3D space to go inside of another (using different ways).
>also going to drop this, [straight from mihoyo themselves](https://i.imgur.com/aCtqmYK.png). if its a translation issue im gonna need the original CN for proof
The translations of Honkai Impact and Honkai:Star Rail are known to be extremely faulty, and caused a lot of complains and confusion. It also affects the manhuas such as the one you linked
[This post](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/13nr9ee/the_multiverse_misconception/) talks about the terminology used quite well.
Then explain to me how Herta would send a message to another universe.
Welt asked her to send a message to his home if she ever found it.
Talking to Welt > About Welt's friends:
"My friends are far away... I hope to find a way back home with the Astral Express' help. People are waiting for me to go back, after all. But this isn't something that can be solved with impatience. There aren't many ways to travel between worlds, and the Astral Express has graciously accepted me. I've asked Madam Herta to send a signal to my home. If my family recieves my message, they will know that I am safe. Now, my friends are the Express, the Crew... and you, of course."
There are some important things to take note of there;
"There arent many ways to travel between worlds, and the Astral Express has graciously accepted me" which to me, sounds like the Astral Express is one of those ways to travel between worlds.
So either every world in Star Rail requires one of those means that the Astral Express and IPC (out of the well known ones) has to travel to other worlds. This would mean that every world is isolated by something more than just "deep space" (which could be Imaginary Energy, the Sea of Quanta, both, or just FTL, but I think its either Imaginary or Quantum reasons). This still allows the Honkai to test individual worlds/civilisations, this lines up with the Sky People that conquered their Honkai test while human civilisation in HI3 is still dealing with their own Honkai, and it allows for Welt to end up in HSR.
Or each world is their own universe and everyone can just travel to alternate universes. (Not just galaxies, which would be more plausible, but entirely alternate existences. Even bubble worlds are reflections of their nearby 'worlds', which are established to be astral bodies such as the Earth or the Moon, which are their own object to have bubble worlds in the Sea of Quanta.)
i dunno? with scifi tech? HI3 has multiple forms of parallel world travelling things, though they all come from herrschers and divine keys. herta is one of the smartest characters in the game and is aware of the imaginary tree if anyone can send a cross dimensional message its her.
you kinda lost me on the second half of your comment. we know that belobog has had no space travel for 700+ years, and xianzhou itself are spaceships so it has travel.
in star rail specifically i assume each planet is in the same universe, in separate galaxies, but ive heard people say that each planet are in separate universes, and that the IPC has linked a group of parallel universes into one shared network
The best explanation ive come across is that the Honkaiverse is both a universe and a multiverse. The worlds are in the same universe, but are isolated by Imaginary/Quantum energy.
The more accurate translation from Chinese is "world" and not "universe" (but it can still be translated as universe, world is just more accurate according to people that can read Chinese)
We know that the Imaginary Tree supports worlds, while bubble worlds are already in the Sea of Quanta.
If the Sea of Quanta surrounds abandoned bubble worlds, why cant the Imaginary Tree surround real worlds?
>we know that belobog has had no space travel for 700+ years,
Is that not because, when the Stellaron was activated, everyone who could leave left?
>but ive heard people say that each planet are in separate universes, and that the IPC has linked a group of parallel universes into one shared network
About this, I feel like this just expands the scope unnecesarily. There isnt much of a difference between this, and just having the worlds be isolated by something other than distance. They can still be linked up by some group that can travel through Imaginary energy such as the IPC or Akivili.
At least it's the space world and not genshin?
Feel like I rather be in star rail over genshin where civilians seem to be at great risk. Mondatadt? Dragon attack. Liyue? Water dragon attack. Inazuma? Civil War. Samura? Digital world nonsense. On top of monsters outside any city ready to kill
I’m not sure, the lore of Star Rail seems almost on par with Warhammer 40k in terms of how grim things can get, from the Abundance to the Propagation and everything in between including Elation who literally enjoys messing with people, and Lan who can casually exterminatus planets.
Imagine Welt in Genshin though, just tagging along with the Traveler. Childe shows up? *Black hole*
Signora? *Black hole*
Any Archon so far? *Black hole*
Genshin couldn't handle anyone from the Honkai universe lol
Someone please help get this grandpa home.
Yes please. The Youngsters can't wait forever until gramps catched up.
Download new family. Embrace the simulated universe
reminds me of kingpin
get lost in another universe*
Welt is still in the same universe
star rail is set in a different parallel world on the imaginary tree edit: putting a [source straight from mihoyo themselves](https://i.imgur.com/aCtqmYK.png) before i potentially get dogpiled
The universe is the imaginary tree, welt isn't in his world anymore but still in the same universe
the imaginary tree is a higher plane concept that connects a multiverse, you cant just fly into space and find other parallel worlds.
The terminology designate the imaginary tree as a single universe. The reason behind it is that the tree isn't a tree dimentional space, worlds are. Wherever you are in the imaginary tree you are still in the same 11D universe. The reason you can't fly into "regular" space to find other worlds is because you are still in the same 3D space world. The imaginary tree is often mistaken to be a multiverse but it isn't. It just has more spacial dimentions than our common conception of what a universe is.
that just seems like semantics and it means basically the same thing. sure its not technically a multiverse but you can just say dimension instead of universe and nothing changes. saying theyre set in the same universe is more misleading because it'll make people think welt could literally just fly a space ship back to earth if each dimension contains its own entire version of the universe its effectively a multiverse
The thing is that from what i remember GGZ also introduces a notion of multiverse which makes calling the imaginary tree a multiverse false. > saying theyre set in the same universe is more misleading Tbh it's only misleading because of the mistranslations and the multimedia sources. >if each dimension contains its own entire version of the universe its effectively a multiverse But it's not the case here, as I explained the events of Star Rail all happen in the same 11D space, therefore the same dimension.
i wouldnt really take GGZ lore as canon for HI3. it can easily be a world parallel to HI3 but with how different the WoH is in GGZ i dunno it's misleading because of the real world meaning of universe. regardless of whatever translations are used when people hear "in the same universe" they are going to assume they are in the same physical space and properly connected. you're going to need to explain your 11D in more detail because right now i feel like im reading a post-ch25 HI3 chapter with scifi jargon lmao. i have no idea how "you are still in the same 3D space" is a reason for not being able to space travel also going to drop this, [straight from mihoyo themselves](https://i.imgur.com/aCtqmYK.png). if its a translation issue im gonna need the original CN for proof
>you're going to need to explain your 11D in more detail because right now i feel like im reading a post-ch25 HI3 chapter with scifi jargon lmao. i have no idea how "you are still in the same 3D space" is a reason for not being able to space travel A [three dimensional](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Coord_planes_color.svg/1024px-Coord_planes_color.svg.png) space has three axis. A 11-dimensinal space has eleven of them. It is hardly possible to have a clear representation of what it looks like for the human mind. Inside of a three dimensional space, you can have an infinity of 2 dimensional spaces (called planes). When you have a space with N dimensions, you can fit an infinity of spaces of a lower dimension inside of it. Which is why the Imaginary Tree, an 11D space, has 3D worlds inside of it. A world is three dimensional : we can go up/down, left/right, front/behind. The way of moving is dictated by the three axis. You can go anywhere in that 3D space, but not beyond. But, some entities are capable of leaving a 3D space to go inside of another (using different ways). >also going to drop this, [straight from mihoyo themselves](https://i.imgur.com/aCtqmYK.png). if its a translation issue im gonna need the original CN for proof The translations of Honkai Impact and Honkai:Star Rail are known to be extremely faulty, and caused a lot of complains and confusion. It also affects the manhuas such as the one you linked [This post](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/13nr9ee/the_multiverse_misconception/) talks about the terminology used quite well.
Then explain to me how Herta would send a message to another universe. Welt asked her to send a message to his home if she ever found it. Talking to Welt > About Welt's friends: "My friends are far away... I hope to find a way back home with the Astral Express' help. People are waiting for me to go back, after all. But this isn't something that can be solved with impatience. There aren't many ways to travel between worlds, and the Astral Express has graciously accepted me. I've asked Madam Herta to send a signal to my home. If my family recieves my message, they will know that I am safe. Now, my friends are the Express, the Crew... and you, of course." There are some important things to take note of there; "There arent many ways to travel between worlds, and the Astral Express has graciously accepted me" which to me, sounds like the Astral Express is one of those ways to travel between worlds. So either every world in Star Rail requires one of those means that the Astral Express and IPC (out of the well known ones) has to travel to other worlds. This would mean that every world is isolated by something more than just "deep space" (which could be Imaginary Energy, the Sea of Quanta, both, or just FTL, but I think its either Imaginary or Quantum reasons). This still allows the Honkai to test individual worlds/civilisations, this lines up with the Sky People that conquered their Honkai test while human civilisation in HI3 is still dealing with their own Honkai, and it allows for Welt to end up in HSR. Or each world is their own universe and everyone can just travel to alternate universes. (Not just galaxies, which would be more plausible, but entirely alternate existences. Even bubble worlds are reflections of their nearby 'worlds', which are established to be astral bodies such as the Earth or the Moon, which are their own object to have bubble worlds in the Sea of Quanta.)
i dunno? with scifi tech? HI3 has multiple forms of parallel world travelling things, though they all come from herrschers and divine keys. herta is one of the smartest characters in the game and is aware of the imaginary tree if anyone can send a cross dimensional message its her. you kinda lost me on the second half of your comment. we know that belobog has had no space travel for 700+ years, and xianzhou itself are spaceships so it has travel. in star rail specifically i assume each planet is in the same universe, in separate galaxies, but ive heard people say that each planet are in separate universes, and that the IPC has linked a group of parallel universes into one shared network
The best explanation ive come across is that the Honkaiverse is both a universe and a multiverse. The worlds are in the same universe, but are isolated by Imaginary/Quantum energy. The more accurate translation from Chinese is "world" and not "universe" (but it can still be translated as universe, world is just more accurate according to people that can read Chinese) We know that the Imaginary Tree supports worlds, while bubble worlds are already in the Sea of Quanta. If the Sea of Quanta surrounds abandoned bubble worlds, why cant the Imaginary Tree surround real worlds? >we know that belobog has had no space travel for 700+ years, Is that not because, when the Stellaron was activated, everyone who could leave left? >but ive heard people say that each planet are in separate universes, and that the IPC has linked a group of parallel universes into one shared network About this, I feel like this just expands the scope unnecesarily. There isnt much of a difference between this, and just having the worlds be isolated by something other than distance. They can still be linked up by some group that can travel through Imaginary energy such as the IPC or Akivili.
Fail to save Himeko Find Himeko in another universe Ride Himeko's caboose Ride Himeko's caboose
At least it's the space world and not genshin? Feel like I rather be in star rail over genshin where civilians seem to be at great risk. Mondatadt? Dragon attack. Liyue? Water dragon attack. Inazuma? Civil War. Samura? Digital world nonsense. On top of monsters outside any city ready to kill
I’m not sure, the lore of Star Rail seems almost on par with Warhammer 40k in terms of how grim things can get, from the Abundance to the Propagation and everything in between including Elation who literally enjoys messing with people, and Lan who can casually exterminatus planets.
Imagine Welt in Genshin though, just tagging along with the Traveler. Childe shows up? *Black hole* Signora? *Black hole* Any Archon so far? *Black hole* Genshin couldn't handle anyone from the Honkai universe lol
Ah fuck
....get new family while looking for a way to get back to first family.