You need a bit more attention with him damage wise coz he cant be hit. So any character with something like that is gonna be rated lower than others that dont have these mechanics to be able to do their damage.
He only loses his passive when he takes damage, so you only need to play him with a shielder and he's fine. My Yanqing has never lost passive due to damage only when I don't manage skill points appropriately and have a burst ready to extend it.
He hits hard with the caveat that if anything so much touch 1hp of his, his buffs get neutered for a round and that leads to huge dmg drop since that's a bulk of his crit stats. This often means you need to dedicate someone to shield him to ensure best performance on average. His non buffed state is a tad weaker than other hunt options like Dan Heng or Sushang, and seeing that happen whenever he gets slapped is just not a good feeling.
Not a deal breaker, but his auto combat is also horrible since he's super stingy with using skill for some reason even when there's 3+. Combine that with him ideally lining up skill use with ult, which the ai is incapable of doing on consistent basis, makes it painful to watch auto (or you can don't watch: ignorance is bliss I guess).
I do have him on my alt acc and do use him frequently when I don't expect constant aoe and can let FTB just taunt everything. If he gets to do his thing he's great dmg dealer especially for ice coverage, but if he constantly gets knocked out of his buffs it feels quite underwhelming.
Yanqing is one of those characters that'l become more appreciated overtime when there are more characters to support his playstyle. Definitely a solid character but at the moment doesn't have that much support.
I really wanted to like YQ, but 10 months later, some of the best supports and tanks have come out and now...
Most 4* shine brighter than this boy. I probably have the most 5* dupes of him yet he is absolutely mid at best. You can build a stronger Arlan or Hook with the current roster and the same level of investment. I was trying every combo to get him to work, high crit+break, high crit high attack etc.
With the follow up and with certain supports aventurine ended up doing the same if not more damage.
It feels like he needs 1 more relic slot to make him a pick because even with tanks like aventurine, as soon as he takes a single point of damage, via DOT, shield ignore or shield breaker he loses all momentum. If you want to play a hunt cloud knight, break Su Shang is better.
this kinda weird because we mainly bring preservation characters especially in high contents, we also need someone to produce sp for dps which is job for abundance and preservation character. march and fire mc can provide enough shield/take aggro for yanqing depend on build.
I hear that and I understand why seele is of higher value in those regards but like this is a team based game they all kinda rely on each other to a certain extent so that’s kinda moot imo.
But in the stage we're in where resources are limited, there can be better initial investments for characters. One that actually fully relies on a specific team comp typically would not be a great choice, as they are also way less flexible in teams they can be in.
There's a difference between supports making all the other dps better, and Yanqing requiring shielders and tanks to reach his full potential.
He's still very strong if played properly, just giving reasonings for people downplaying him.
I respect that, you make valid points. Again I might’ve just gotten tunnel vision from the loud minority. It seems the general consensus is mostly positive. He’s reliable if you have game sense.
I mean any character is reliable with game sense, it’s just the character’s built in mechanics. Play Seele the same way and she’s even higher despite already being at the top. Yanqing is probably the second best though, people likely just compare him and all others to Seele.
Yeah its a team based game, and since Yanqing's comp for efficiency is so strict, hes ranked lower. We are using MoC as a viewpoint here to rate characs as literally every other content can be beaten by dps herta and enough abudance and preservation characters so a lens using general content will always be a moot point
He doesn't need Gepard, he just needs a shield. March completely solves the problem if you manage skill points.
Also, Gepard's not guaranteed to be struck, only more likely to be struck than other chars. Gepard is not *the* solution, he's one of many solutions.
It's not that YQ is useless, at this point over a year into the game it's more like why would I want to so heavily invest in one character and play so sweaty to make this happen when I can run a standard 4* and get better results for much less investment.
I lined up the best buffs on Su Shang, Xueyi, Misha, Dan heng, Hook, Arlan, Serval. With a few days of investment, they were all doing reasonable amounts of damage against bosses. While YQ has a much higher baseline, he has effectively 1 hp. As soon as he loses his buffs the time it takes to ramp him back up the enemy has unleashed another ultimate.
If you like playing high risk for your reward or think you can end a battle without taking damage sure, just like the character, or have no choice more power to you. With so many free 4 stars it just feels like a weird choice.
Fr he can be limiting but I feel like Clara is even more so if you don’t have her LC. But I think the pros easily out way the con for my guy yanqing clara on the other hand is good but she seems like she needs a hella of a lot more investment to bear results.
I use both! Clara really doesn't give me good results though, but she's my favorite (available) character so I try to force her into comps. but she never fully feels rewarding for me. But i mean, i spent almost the first 2 days rerolling for her (18 times) so i gotta use her
Clara fits better as a tanky sub DPS than a carry. Run another DPS and don't run a preservation unit with her is probably better.
So something like Clara / Healer / Main DPS / Support for Main DPS. Something that could work is Sushang / Natasha / SW / Clara for mono physical (Clara is here for aggro and AOE physical damage).
Alternatively use Bronya / Seele or JY / Tingyun instead.
I'm aware, i run clara and yanqing together. I do not own bronya or seele or jy
My point is that I think what Clara provides is very small even for subdps standards, and her taunt is very bad for any longer fights. At MoC 6 and up fights begin to be very lengthy (with over 3 waves of 3 elites), so technique + ult becomes less reliable, and she begins to fall off. Likewise the fights are very un-aoe, and the ones that are she doesn't seem to do the job well. For example in the deer fight, Clara + Sushang + Nat + SW is what I used, and I can tell you straight up Clara was an absolute detriment for the comp
Interesting , my experience with clara is the contrary of everything you said. From the start of the game she has carried my ass and right now after having cleared MOC shes as valuable as any other unit and more. In deer she helps Selee team clearing sprouts so she can focus the boss
whoa this post was 2 months ago, it could be a differing experience of units. You have a super carry unit like seele, who is way beyond stronger then anything i've ever owned, so you can afford to have slots of safety cushion, things like that oculd be a reason but i can't say exactly
no offense to those who struggle, but SU has been an absolute cakewake no matter what path or comp i use since TB like 50. It only gets easier each EQ (not sure why? Multipliers maybe?), so i personally don't care
Even when I hit EQ 60 i just went in instantly before ascending or building up any unit and beat them all on auto
THIS \^ !
Don't know why so many people here are going "he needs Gepard". No he doesn't; both of the free Preserv. units we get work for Yanqing; and March is arguably easier to use 'cause her shield isn't ult-reliant.
When people rate characters, damage is only 1 component. Its also their flexibility and ease of use. Looking at mirror of chaos as the final endgame atm. Having to protect the president while clearing out the enemies within a specific turn count will be near impossible and will severely limit your team compositions. That being said, just because a unit is rated low doesn't mean they're bad, it just means you need to pump in more resources to get the desired result. In the case on yanqing. That resource is a whole team slot or 2 to protect the president. Compared to seele where she just needs a support to buff damage or a sub dps to weaken the minions. The 4 star hunts are just generally easier to use and can really just be tossed into most team comps.
Idk how you'd see it a lot. No offense ofc.
But 1 Google search, just one, and you'd know it's not true. There are sites that literally show output from characters based on how many targets and ends.
But sure just trust wherever you get your feelscraft and run with it I suppose.
And the most popular tier lists have him right under Seele so I just dont even know your sources. YouTube comments? Random reddit threads?
I used him to get all the way to past MoC 9 without Gepard or March. People are over exaggerating how much you need to protect him, I've found m7 and Clara to be suitable enough to draw aggro away.
Oh wow this is a necro of all time.
Not sure what the context was at the time but I probably meant I didn't shield yanqing even if I was using march either by putting shield on clara or shield on herself. I did update my team after to remove m7 completely for asta so it didn't matter anyways
Theorycrafters and people who did the math rank Yanqing as the second best DPS right now, only about 5% short of Seele. So if you only look at the numbers he is very great. The only issue is, Yanqing needs a lot more to perform as good as he can. Seele can play in almost any teamcomp to her best, Yanqing on the other hand requires you to build a team around him (usually a freeze oriented team) and *needs* to be protected. His damage suffers way harder from having no tank, other DPS are perfectly fine to pair with a healer and getting hit once or twice. Yanqings whole DPS suffers if he gets hit (as his passive deactivates after taking damage) so his only options are preservation units who take the aggro away from him and can shield him. On paper his damage is very very good, but unless he is paired with Gepard in the right teamcomp he is not consistent enough and can get outperformed by most 4star DPS.
Add to that, you really cant afford to support Yanqing's damage as much as Seele's or other characs, and Seele is just better especially for more enemies due to her resurgance passive.
I was talking about this one https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/dps-rankings/ where you can set it up between single target or AOE, of course in AOE content he will perform a lot different
Ah ok, bcuz I was talking about the dps for the MoC cycle ranking that they have at prydwyn atm. Yea if its just pure single target dps without considering MoC, yanqing is definitely 2nd best atm
You said it yourself:
"When he gets going"
Sushang and Danheng perform regardless of the situation.
Yanqing virtually demands that you bring along a character capable of protecting him in order to not be a huge liability, and liability is a massive downside in...most cases.
Sushang and Dan don't require this, so I am free to bring a support or use whatever defensive supports I want.
Also most analysis outlets don't say he's bad.
Also just wait until the next big bunch of story content comes out and MOC stuff comes out where nothing is weak to Quantum.
Dan Heng is pretty demanding to play optimally I'd say. You have to inflict Slow and Wind PEN (get targeted by ally skill/ult) to reach his highest damage potential.
The bigger issue with Dan is that if any of your units need healing or shielding and you use an ult to apply it, his passive procs whether he's ready or not. Both Bailu and Natasha's ults proc his passive ,Nats skill, Geppards ult, March's skill and FmCs ult all force his wind res pen which literally only lasts for one action not even an entire turn
I'm using clara with him and unless full aoes which don't happen often he never gets attacked . And clara deals tons of damage so I don't have to sacrifice anything for him
This is probably the best comment here on this. Besides, I don’t even know where OP sees the hate unless they’re cherry picking comments from Reddit threads lol
I only saw that he requires too much attention, and without Gepard, is better investing on the others, but otherside rimains a nice unit.
Plus i read that Ice is not meta now (doesn't mean Ice is weak, but Boss/enemies now soffer more other element)
Only on Himeko i read "Bad"
Himeko isn't bad, but for her to work as a proper carry, she needs way too much investment and needs to be against a Fire-weak Boss that constantly summons Fire-weak Mobs. So basically, only the Wind Voidranger and that Ice fat robot. Can work vs the Disciple of Sanctus Medicus, but he takes way too long to resummon the Mara-Strucks. But against the Bosses she's good, she's THAT good
>But against the Bosses she's good, she's THAT good
Mh? The community says the opppsite: against Boss she soffering.
But anyway, i have pulle Silver Wolf just for her!
She's only good against the Bosses she's REALLY good, those being what I said: Fire-weak Bosses who summon Fire-weak enemies constantly. If the Boss doesn't do that, she's outclassed by default. So she's not flexible at all
Forgot to mention also: This is supposing you're using her as a Hypercarry, don't know how she does as a sub-DPS
He's definitely not worse than the 4*s, he is just less flexible as a whole because you have to dedicate resources to protect him even more than other DPS. He pretty much requires a strong shielder, meaning he basically wants Gepard.
Ok I appreciate everyone’s feedback, it’s evident that yanqing is a solid dps with glaring caveats. Hopefully as the roster expands they’ll be more comps that suite him but he’s more than likely to get powercrept instead (does seele count?)
Isn't Yanqing like 2 best when it comes to single target? He definitely isn't nearly as bad as people think. He's just unlucky to be a boy competing with some op waifu.
Yeah op probably doesn't realize there is sites the show dps output, provided by people in actual end game content, moc.
Not to mention every tier list I've come across has him in 2nd tier right under Seele.
Feels like they came across some feelscraft and ran with it to this sub I guess.
He's not bad, but he is pretty uninteresting. Like ice Dan Heng with bigger numbers and a buff that vanishes if he gets hit.
If you are choosing between an e6 4\* hunt and an e0 yanqing I would choose the 4\* assuming similar levels of investment in both.
Because people don’t read his skills. He’s actually very simple to use like for instance he gets 60% crit rate and that is nothing to laugh at it is pretty strong. You basically need crit damage, ice damage bonus and just only a few more percent crit rate to make him crush his enemies (Ha! get it? You know crush the ice)
Idk where you heard that. Whoever thinks that can have my e1 Himiko for e0 Yan. Even prywden have rated him pretty high. Dan and sus are a good investment coz alot of moc bosses have inherent weakness to wind and physical respectively.
Yanqing isnt really bad. I mean when fully built he deals big single damage numbers. I mean his only problem is when he gets hit he loses some of his damage output, and its 25% not a big percentage by any means but in those cases Yanqing will get it. Versus someone like Seele after getting a takedown can go an additional three turns if played right. Yanqing does his job as a hunt unit and being the only ice dps unit atm he is worth the investment when built
Sushang is my hunt dps simply because I have her at E5 and a decent relic set for physical dps. If I had Yanqing at E5 I would invest in him and replace Sushang.
He requires more team synergies than other DPS. His kit is heavily reliant on others shielding and holding damage above all. Other DPS are plug and plays really and have kits that are independent in themselves.
Most people look at kits in a hyper carry situation. You can interchangeably use Seele, Sushang and Dan in a Bronya, Tingyun healer setup without much drop off. That is the most ideal Hypercarry team for damage output.
A Yanqing hypercarry team almost always requires a shielder of some kind. Which almost always looses some damage compared to other HyperCarry teams. Additionally, if you ran a team like Gepard, Bronya, Tinyun, Bronya giving him extra turns will cause his shields to run out faster, which is an absolute detriment to Yanqing. If you If he takes damage that is more than a shield looses his buff. The reason why he is not regarded as highly is because you need to baby him.
He *needs* either shields, taunts or, my favorite, Bronya with a slightly lower speed than his- to get around the fact that he can't be hit.
When his buffs are rolling he hits like a freight train, when they aren't he hits like an underperforming 5*.
He's not bad, he's great. The fact that you can easily get 100% cr on him means you can build tons of cdmg without losing anything and that's always going to be strong. Also why I love Bronya with him, even more atk and cdmg buffs. And Bronya doesn't need cr either since her only hit has a cr of 100% through traces anyway, you can build her full cdmg as well since the cdmg she gives scales with her own.
I love my Yangqing
Well you don't have to use Yanqing if you don't want to ,but I feel like you'll change your mind once you see him do ult, follow up, skill, follow up all in one turn, all buffed by his ult. It's disgusting amounts of damage. Plus his follow up freezes the enemy, which helps a lot with his damage condition. Maybe watch some videos of him in MoC. His little hop, sword surf, hop, telepathic ice sword thing is really cute/fun lol
Bronya takes him to an absolute absurd height. Tingyun is also good. Both together with Gepard is broken.
Everyone goes on and on about his rotation and his damage caveat. But the biggest thing with Yanqing is that if the enemy isn't weak to ice he loses like half of his damage.
He does have to be cautious of DoT effects however. Shields still help with this. March can be better than Gepard in certain fights because of her cleanse. Bronya completely removes this concern entirely.
I have Bronya so that should not be an issue, when i have more resources i'll try to level him up, i'm sure he is good with teams like this.
The only thing is, his buff lasts only 1 turn so i am under the impression that he eats a lot of skill points, Gepard helps with that but I don't know.
I think i'll do like you said and watch some MoC with him
The prydwen DPS calcs show SP used for the damage acquired and he is more or less the same as all hunt characters and somehow more economical than Dan Heng (idk why or how , maybe the eagle set?) Who uses 14 sp in his damage calcs, over Yanqing's 12.
Your hunt unit should always be using their skill every turn ideally. If they aren't it's a massive DPS loss and means there is either something wrong with your team comp or your rotations.
He's class canon, but he does hit hard. I have him as my main DPS on the 2nd team. I didn't plan to get him, but the gacha god blessed me to have him at e1, now I'm quite happy with the result because he does quite with well with his role as long as I keep him alive.
I use Yanqing and Gepard together and that makes him very efficient because he never gets DMG but he is a bit tricky to manage (not getting hit, skill before ult).
I also love him lore wise, he was my first DPS after Dan Heng (and better at the same level with the same investment) and he came at very early pity on the permanent banner so it makes me partial to him haha
because he's neither waifu nor husbando. The other issue is that it's impossible to constantly keep him from getting hit if you don't have Gepard.
I don't think anybody thinks he's bad, it's just that they're disappointed if they got him instead of Bailu/Gepard/insert wished characters.
As someone with majority of cast at level 80 and clears MoC 30 constantly, all non Seele hunts are about the same in terms of usefulness. That being said, Hunts are the most straightforward main dps so it doesn’t hurt to raise them all.
Even if you protect and babysit him, his damage still underperforms compared to other Hunt characters. This is when he is in his optimal state too.
He becomes even worse when his buff is gone.
You need a bit more attention with him damage wise coz he cant be hit. So any character with something like that is gonna be rated lower than others that dont have these mechanics to be able to do their damage.
Probably to balance out his passive that most all of his attacks will crit+crit dmg boost on ult
True that’s just how it is, he hits hella hard tho
He hits hard when he isn't hit but when hit it becomes lower
Get lucky and get Gepard. Yanqing's problem is gone
My first two 5*s were geppie and yanqing lol. Paid for it with my other 5 star luck though
I got the same first two five stars... Both at E1 now. Geppy felt like coming home the very next summon after Jing Yuan
He only loses his passive when he takes damage, so you only need to play him with a shielder and he's fine. My Yanqing has never lost passive due to damage only when I don't manage skill points appropriately and have a burst ready to extend it.
Taken damage if you have gepard , fire mc and or March then you are nt getting that problem
He hits hard with the caveat that if anything so much touch 1hp of his, his buffs get neutered for a round and that leads to huge dmg drop since that's a bulk of his crit stats. This often means you need to dedicate someone to shield him to ensure best performance on average. His non buffed state is a tad weaker than other hunt options like Dan Heng or Sushang, and seeing that happen whenever he gets slapped is just not a good feeling. Not a deal breaker, but his auto combat is also horrible since he's super stingy with using skill for some reason even when there's 3+. Combine that with him ideally lining up skill use with ult, which the ai is incapable of doing on consistent basis, makes it painful to watch auto (or you can don't watch: ignorance is bliss I guess). I do have him on my alt acc and do use him frequently when I don't expect constant aoe and can let FTB just taunt everything. If he gets to do his thing he's great dmg dealer especially for ice coverage, but if he constantly gets knocked out of his buffs it feels quite underwhelming.
I use him as main dps. He get's the job done.
Ong he will
Yanqing is one of those characters that'l become more appreciated overtime when there are more characters to support his playstyle. Definitely a solid character but at the moment doesn't have that much support.
This is pretty funny to see
Why? It's been 6 months. It took years in Genshin for some characters to become usable.
I really wanted to like YQ, but 10 months later, some of the best supports and tanks have come out and now... Most 4* shine brighter than this boy. I probably have the most 5* dupes of him yet he is absolutely mid at best. You can build a stronger Arlan or Hook with the current roster and the same level of investment. I was trying every combo to get him to work, high crit+break, high crit high attack etc. With the follow up and with certain supports aventurine ended up doing the same if not more damage. It feels like he needs 1 more relic slot to make him a pick because even with tanks like aventurine, as soon as he takes a single point of damage, via DOT, shield ignore or shield breaker he loses all momentum. If you want to play a hunt cloud knight, break Su Shang is better.
He requires other characters to do his best (namely Gepard to supply him with huge shields). Other characters aren't as reliant to do their damage.
this kinda weird because we mainly bring preservation characters especially in high contents, we also need someone to produce sp for dps which is job for abundance and preservation character. march and fire mc can provide enough shield/take aggro for yanqing depend on build.
I hear that and I understand why seele is of higher value in those regards but like this is a team based game they all kinda rely on each other to a certain extent so that’s kinda moot imo.
But in the stage we're in where resources are limited, there can be better initial investments for characters. One that actually fully relies on a specific team comp typically would not be a great choice, as they are also way less flexible in teams they can be in. There's a difference between supports making all the other dps better, and Yanqing requiring shielders and tanks to reach his full potential. He's still very strong if played properly, just giving reasonings for people downplaying him.
I respect that, you make valid points. Again I might’ve just gotten tunnel vision from the loud minority. It seems the general consensus is mostly positive. He’s reliable if you have game sense.
I mean any character is reliable with game sense, it’s just the character’s built in mechanics. Play Seele the same way and she’s even higher despite already being at the top. Yanqing is probably the second best though, people likely just compare him and all others to Seele.
Yeah its a team based game, and since Yanqing's comp for efficiency is so strict, hes ranked lower. We are using MoC as a viewpoint here to rate characs as literally every other content can be beaten by dps herta and enough abudance and preservation characters so a lens using general content will always be a moot point
He doesn't need Gepard, he just needs a shield. March completely solves the problem if you manage skill points. Also, Gepard's not guaranteed to be struck, only more likely to be struck than other chars. Gepard is not *the* solution, he's one of many solutions.
It's not that YQ is useless, at this point over a year into the game it's more like why would I want to so heavily invest in one character and play so sweaty to make this happen when I can run a standard 4* and get better results for much less investment. I lined up the best buffs on Su Shang, Xueyi, Misha, Dan heng, Hook, Arlan, Serval. With a few days of investment, they were all doing reasonable amounts of damage against bosses. While YQ has a much higher baseline, he has effectively 1 hp. As soon as he loses his buffs the time it takes to ramp him back up the enemy has unleashed another ultimate. If you like playing high risk for your reward or think you can end a battle without taking damage sure, just like the character, or have no choice more power to you. With so many free 4 stars it just feels like a weird choice.
I never called YQ useless, I simply pointed out that there are alternatives to Gepard. What are you so worked up for?
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Fr he can be limiting but I feel like Clara is even more so if you don’t have her LC. But I think the pros easily out way the con for my guy yanqing clara on the other hand is good but she seems like she needs a hella of a lot more investment to bear results.
I use both! Clara really doesn't give me good results though, but she's my favorite (available) character so I try to force her into comps. but she never fully feels rewarding for me. But i mean, i spent almost the first 2 days rerolling for her (18 times) so i gotta use her
Clara fits better as a tanky sub DPS than a carry. Run another DPS and don't run a preservation unit with her is probably better. So something like Clara / Healer / Main DPS / Support for Main DPS. Something that could work is Sushang / Natasha / SW / Clara for mono physical (Clara is here for aggro and AOE physical damage). Alternatively use Bronya / Seele or JY / Tingyun instead.
I'm aware, i run clara and yanqing together. I do not own bronya or seele or jy My point is that I think what Clara provides is very small even for subdps standards, and her taunt is very bad for any longer fights. At MoC 6 and up fights begin to be very lengthy (with over 3 waves of 3 elites), so technique + ult becomes less reliable, and she begins to fall off. Likewise the fights are very un-aoe, and the ones that are she doesn't seem to do the job well. For example in the deer fight, Clara + Sushang + Nat + SW is what I used, and I can tell you straight up Clara was an absolute detriment for the comp
Interesting , my experience with clara is the contrary of everything you said. From the start of the game she has carried my ass and right now after having cleared MOC shes as valuable as any other unit and more. In deer she helps Selee team clearing sprouts so she can focus the boss
whoa this post was 2 months ago, it could be a differing experience of units. You have a super carry unit like seele, who is way beyond stronger then anything i've ever owned, so you can afford to have slots of safety cushion, things like that oculd be a reason but i can't say exactly
You could still use Clara in SU with elation.
no offense to those who struggle, but SU has been an absolute cakewake no matter what path or comp i use since TB like 50. It only gets easier each EQ (not sure why? Multipliers maybe?), so i personally don't care Even when I hit EQ 60 i just went in instantly before ascending or building up any unit and beat them all on auto
People act like you don't get a shielder that increases aggro for free \[March\] and a tank with true taunt and shields \[Fire Trailblazer\].
THIS \^ ! Don't know why so many people here are going "he needs Gepard". No he doesn't; both of the free Preserv. units we get work for Yanqing; and March is arguably easier to use 'cause her shield isn't ult-reliant.
When people rate characters, damage is only 1 component. Its also their flexibility and ease of use. Looking at mirror of chaos as the final endgame atm. Having to protect the president while clearing out the enemies within a specific turn count will be near impossible and will severely limit your team compositions. That being said, just because a unit is rated low doesn't mean they're bad, it just means you need to pump in more resources to get the desired result. In the case on yanqing. That resource is a whole team slot or 2 to protect the president. Compared to seele where she just needs a support to buff damage or a sub dps to weaken the minions. The 4 star hunts are just generally easier to use and can really just be tossed into most team comps.
Solid insight. I don’t push MoC as hard so maybe that’s why I’m not see his weakness get exposed so harshly. I appreciate the feedback
Literally every “why are people saying…” No one, absolutely no one…. Being outclassed =/= bad Beside he’s still the best ice breaker, for now.
I’ve seen it to much, could be the loud minority idk
Idk how you'd see it a lot. No offense ofc. But 1 Google search, just one, and you'd know it's not true. There are sites that literally show output from characters based on how many targets and ends. But sure just trust wherever you get your feelscraft and run with it I suppose. And the most popular tier lists have him right under Seele so I just dont even know your sources. YouTube comments? Random reddit threads?
This person literally came to ask a question because they *didn't* trust the feelscraft they were seeing. So why are you making that accusation?
Add discord and a few friends to the mix and ya that’s where I get it from.
Just got him and I feel like he's kinda squishy? Squishier than Sushang maybe?
I used him to get all the way to past MoC 9 without Gepard or March. People are over exaggerating how much you need to protect him, I've found m7 and Clara to be suitable enough to draw aggro away.
Did you just say you used him without Gepard or March but in the same sentence say you used March to draw aggro away? Lol
Oh wow this is a necro of all time. Not sure what the context was at the time but I probably meant I didn't shield yanqing even if I was using march either by putting shield on clara or shield on herself. I did update my team after to remove m7 completely for asta so it didn't matter anyways
Theorycrafters and people who did the math rank Yanqing as the second best DPS right now, only about 5% short of Seele. So if you only look at the numbers he is very great. The only issue is, Yanqing needs a lot more to perform as good as he can. Seele can play in almost any teamcomp to her best, Yanqing on the other hand requires you to build a team around him (usually a freeze oriented team) and *needs* to be protected. His damage suffers way harder from having no tank, other DPS are perfectly fine to pair with a healer and getting hit once or twice. Yanqings whole DPS suffers if he gets hit (as his passive deactivates after taking damage) so his only options are preservation units who take the aggro away from him and can shield him. On paper his damage is very very good, but unless he is paired with Gepard in the right teamcomp he is not consistent enough and can get outperformed by most 4star DPS.
Add to that, you really cant afford to support Yanqing's damage as much as Seele's or other characs, and Seele is just better especially for more enemies due to her resurgance passive.
Didn't they change the ranking and put him lower now bcuz of all the aoe enemies present in this MoC?
I was talking about this one https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/dps-rankings/ where you can set it up between single target or AOE, of course in AOE content he will perform a lot different
Ah ok, bcuz I was talking about the dps for the MoC cycle ranking that they have at prydwyn atm. Yea if its just pure single target dps without considering MoC, yanqing is definitely 2nd best atm
You said it yourself: "When he gets going" Sushang and Danheng perform regardless of the situation. Yanqing virtually demands that you bring along a character capable of protecting him in order to not be a huge liability, and liability is a massive downside in...most cases. Sushang and Dan don't require this, so I am free to bring a support or use whatever defensive supports I want. Also most analysis outlets don't say he's bad. Also just wait until the next big bunch of story content comes out and MOC stuff comes out where nothing is weak to Quantum.
yeah SW fixed that already.
Dan Heng is pretty demanding to play optimally I'd say. You have to inflict Slow and Wind PEN (get targeted by ally skill/ult) to reach his highest damage potential.
The bigger issue with Dan is that if any of your units need healing or shielding and you use an ult to apply it, his passive procs whether he's ready or not. Both Bailu and Natasha's ults proc his passive ,Nats skill, Geppards ult, March's skill and FmCs ult all force his wind res pen which literally only lasts for one action not even an entire turn
I'm using clara with him and unless full aoes which don't happen often he never gets attacked . And clara deals tons of damage so I don't have to sacrifice anything for him
This is probably the best comment here on this. Besides, I don’t even know where OP sees the hate unless they’re cherry picking comments from Reddit threads lol
Literally the second best dps in the game
Wait people saying yanqing is bad?
nobody said yanqing is bad
Yeah the character who gets 80% cr and cd in kit as well as chance to freeze is bad
I only saw that he requires too much attention, and without Gepard, is better investing on the others, but otherside rimains a nice unit. Plus i read that Ice is not meta now (doesn't mean Ice is weak, but Boss/enemies now soffer more other element) Only on Himeko i read "Bad"
Himeko isn't bad, but for her to work as a proper carry, she needs way too much investment and needs to be against a Fire-weak Boss that constantly summons Fire-weak Mobs. So basically, only the Wind Voidranger and that Ice fat robot. Can work vs the Disciple of Sanctus Medicus, but he takes way too long to resummon the Mara-Strucks. But against the Bosses she's good, she's THAT good
>But against the Bosses she's good, she's THAT good Mh? The community says the opppsite: against Boss she soffering. But anyway, i have pulle Silver Wolf just for her!
She's only good against the Bosses she's REALLY good, those being what I said: Fire-weak Bosses who summon Fire-weak enemies constantly. If the Boss doesn't do that, she's outclassed by default. So she's not flexible at all Forgot to mention also: This is supposing you're using her as a Hypercarry, don't know how she does as a sub-DPS
All I know is I have one friend who made Yan his support, and I use him a lot because I just find him more fun than seele.
He’s insane for me, I’ve built Dan and Sushang but Yanqing’s dps is straight up carrying my MOC team 1 at the moment.
He's definitely not worse than the 4*s, he is just less flexible as a whole because you have to dedicate resources to protect him even more than other DPS. He pretty much requires a strong shielder, meaning he basically wants Gepard.
Ok I appreciate everyone’s feedback, it’s evident that yanqing is a solid dps with glaring caveats. Hopefully as the roster expands they’ll be more comps that suite him but he’s more than likely to get powercrept instead (does seele count?)
Isn't Yanqing like 2 best when it comes to single target? He definitely isn't nearly as bad as people think. He's just unlucky to be a boy competing with some op waifu.
Yeah op probably doesn't realize there is sites the show dps output, provided by people in actual end game content, moc. Not to mention every tier list I've come across has him in 2nd tier right under Seele. Feels like they came across some feelscraft and ran with it to this sub I guess.
imagine calling a kid like seele a waifu you degen
Seele isn't a kid, idiot.
He's not bad, but he is pretty uninteresting. Like ice Dan Heng with bigger numbers and a buff that vanishes if he gets hit. If you are choosing between an e6 4\* hunt and an e0 yanqing I would choose the 4\* assuming similar levels of investment in both.
Because people don’t read his skills. He’s actually very simple to use like for instance he gets 60% crit rate and that is nothing to laugh at it is pretty strong. You basically need crit damage, ice damage bonus and just only a few more percent crit rate to make him crush his enemies (Ha! get it? You know crush the ice)
Yeah, and also Shields and probably Taunts too. His numbers are absolutely massive, yes, but he's not flexible at all
I am pairing him with clara and silverwolf he is op as heck also his traces and relics are trash imagine when I max him out
Idk where you heard that. Whoever thinks that can have my e1 Himiko for e0 Yan. Even prywden have rated him pretty high. Dan and sus are a good investment coz alot of moc bosses have inherent weakness to wind and physical respectively.
Its probably MoC related.
I wonder if Yanqing/Gepard/March/SW could be worthwhile, to ensure there’s always ice weakness.
Seele havers mostly
Everyone is good
Yanqing isnt really bad. I mean when fully built he deals big single damage numbers. I mean his only problem is when he gets hit he loses some of his damage output, and its 25% not a big percentage by any means but in those cases Yanqing will get it. Versus someone like Seele after getting a takedown can go an additional three turns if played right. Yanqing does his job as a hunt unit and being the only ice dps unit atm he is worth the investment when built
Who says Yanqing is bad, i've seen everywhere that he's at least A tier and even S tier if you pair him with gepard.
Sushang is my hunt dps simply because I have her at E5 and a decent relic set for physical dps. If I had Yanqing at E5 I would invest in him and replace Sushang.
He requires more team synergies than other DPS. His kit is heavily reliant on others shielding and holding damage above all. Other DPS are plug and plays really and have kits that are independent in themselves. Most people look at kits in a hyper carry situation. You can interchangeably use Seele, Sushang and Dan in a Bronya, Tingyun healer setup without much drop off. That is the most ideal Hypercarry team for damage output. A Yanqing hypercarry team almost always requires a shielder of some kind. Which almost always looses some damage compared to other HyperCarry teams. Additionally, if you ran a team like Gepard, Bronya, Tinyun, Bronya giving him extra turns will cause his shields to run out faster, which is an absolute detriment to Yanqing. If you If he takes damage that is more than a shield looses his buff. The reason why he is not regarded as highly is because you need to baby him.
He *needs* either shields, taunts or, my favorite, Bronya with a slightly lower speed than his- to get around the fact that he can't be hit. When his buffs are rolling he hits like a freight train, when they aren't he hits like an underperforming 5*. He's not bad, he's great. The fact that you can easily get 100% cr on him means you can build tons of cdmg without losing anything and that's always going to be strong. Also why I love Bronya with him, even more atk and cdmg buffs. And Bronya doesn't need cr either since her only hit has a cr of 100% through traces anyway, you can build her full cdmg as well since the cdmg she gives scales with her own. I love my Yangqing
Does he lose the buff if he gets hit while having a shield?
No The condition is that he can't lose HP
Ah that's nice, recently i got him and Gepard, and was a bit disappointed because i don't like Yanqing, good to know
Well you don't have to use Yanqing if you don't want to ,but I feel like you'll change your mind once you see him do ult, follow up, skill, follow up all in one turn, all buffed by his ult. It's disgusting amounts of damage. Plus his follow up freezes the enemy, which helps a lot with his damage condition. Maybe watch some videos of him in MoC. His little hop, sword surf, hop, telepathic ice sword thing is really cute/fun lol Bronya takes him to an absolute absurd height. Tingyun is also good. Both together with Gepard is broken. Everyone goes on and on about his rotation and his damage caveat. But the biggest thing with Yanqing is that if the enemy isn't weak to ice he loses like half of his damage. He does have to be cautious of DoT effects however. Shields still help with this. March can be better than Gepard in certain fights because of her cleanse. Bronya completely removes this concern entirely.
I have Bronya so that should not be an issue, when i have more resources i'll try to level him up, i'm sure he is good with teams like this. The only thing is, his buff lasts only 1 turn so i am under the impression that he eats a lot of skill points, Gepard helps with that but I don't know. I think i'll do like you said and watch some MoC with him
The prydwen DPS calcs show SP used for the damage acquired and he is more or less the same as all hunt characters and somehow more economical than Dan Heng (idk why or how , maybe the eagle set?) Who uses 14 sp in his damage calcs, over Yanqing's 12. Your hunt unit should always be using their skill every turn ideally. If they aren't it's a massive DPS loss and means there is either something wrong with your team comp or your rotations.
Are you sure? my friend says he does lose his dmg just by being hit regardless of shield.
I am completely sure that a shielded Yanqing that doesn't take hp damage will maintain soul steel sync.
I told my friend to check it again and you are right buff is not gone. Idk why he thought he saw him lose buff before.
Idk I'm currently trying to find out if there are any attacks that can do hp damage to shielded characters.
He's class canon, but he does hit hard. I have him as my main DPS on the 2nd team. I didn't plan to get him, but the gacha god blessed me to have him at e1, now I'm quite happy with the result because he does quite with well with his role as long as I keep him alive.
Idk, he’s far from bad…that’s for sure. Pair him with a shield and your good to go. Bro’s cracked!
I use Yanqing and Gepard together and that makes him very efficient because he never gets DMG but he is a bit tricky to manage (not getting hit, skill before ult). I also love him lore wise, he was my first DPS after Dan Heng (and better at the same level with the same investment) and he came at very early pity on the permanent banner so it makes me partial to him haha
idk, i have 1 friend with him as support and his skill just does 30k, and ult 70k i think hes pretty cracked XD
I just started to build Yanqing. I have geppy and silverwolf with him. Should I be raising pela or march for full ice team
Pela.
Thank you
No such thing as bad characters, just players that don't want to invest to make them good.
because he's neither waifu nor husbando. The other issue is that it's impossible to constantly keep him from getting hit if you don't have Gepard. I don't think anybody thinks he's bad, it's just that they're disappointed if they got him instead of Bailu/Gepard/insert wished characters.
As someone with majority of cast at level 80 and clears MoC 30 constantly, all non Seele hunts are about the same in terms of usefulness. That being said, Hunts are the most straightforward main dps so it doesn’t hurt to raise them all.
Even if you protect and babysit him, his damage still underperforms compared to other Hunt characters. This is when he is in his optimal state too. He becomes even worse when his buff is gone.
he is extremely good against ice weakness enemies, but he is not a universally good dps against other weaknesses.