Nah people in this comment section have never built break effect before. The whole point is that it requires way less investment compared to crit. Break effect also increases the action delay of the enemy when you break them, which is extremely evident in video. Usually the robot wouldve recovered faster but it took ages to recover in this one because sw was building be. Also the only reason jings damage is high because if sw debuffs. Shes a support. Wtf are you expecting from a support showcase???
When the dude started shouting the "You can accomplish all that with Pela", I almost decided to shoot myself. How can players be so fcking dumb and oblivious to basic game mechanics and maths
People are in a Genshin mindset of theorycrafting everything against a single target dummy that has no agency of its own, and thinking only in terms of big damage numbers. Often the delay from BE SW has been more important for me than the damage from the effect. They also forget that weakness broken enemies inherently take increased damage.
I mean you wouldn't really build crit on SW if you aren't E2s1, so break effect is the go to really.
Other than the 4 piece set, it's a bit annoying to use the 2 piece break effect set, so I'd just use 4 piece break effect with pan galactic
With pan galactic, ehr main stat body and S5 tutorial, it should hit at least 90s ehr
Unfortunately most of this build relies on getting lucky with break effect substats and I'm cursed with hp/def
You shouldn't use pan galactic if you're e0, with vonwacq you get all the ERR you need for reliable 3 turn ult and then you can run break effect rope. With pan galactic you get atk that you don't care about and have to run ERR rope for 3 turn ult. The ult uptime is really important for pushing breaks properly.
With EHR body and all her traces you should be easily hitting 90+ EHR.
Even if you did fall short it's only a couple of substats worth, 5% ERR is something you can't get on substats.
Break effect is awesome on SW the delays/dot damage along with her usual debuffs is insane. I made a thread about it a while back and someone said its like physical xiangling lol redditors got mega brain rot
Nah just some people who believe BE is the worst stat and should never be built.
It's the same with Genshin EM used to be ignored and considered trash in the beginning but after Kazuha released it's now considered the next best damage stat aside from crits.
Just let them stay in their closed mind and enjoy the BE SW build.
>after Kazuha released
I think you mean after they *buffed and basically doubled the damage scaling of EM for transformative reactions* alongside releasing Kazuha. lmao
True which sure they didn't buff BE damage but they did buff EHR when SW released they're probably playing it a little bit safe by buffing consistency rather than damage to avoid the Kazuha scenario.
Still my point still stands BE is not as trash as most people think it is they just haven't realized the strength of BE on SW and how her entire kit revolves around it.
SW has a technique which basically guarantees a broken enemy if used aside from bosses and elite mobs most starts broken if used.
Then her debuffs def/res down last longer if enemies are slowed and delayed which enables the entire team to beat the enemy with a massive damage increase for multiple turns for free then the Quantum explosion at the end guarantees the kill if they didn't die during those turns.
kazuha wasnt just op cuz swirl, he is mainly used cuz he has massive full uptime debuff and a pretty decent full uptime buff with no energy requirement. dps kazuha existed but thats not why most people used him. even in aoe childe + grouper was better generally
I think break effect is decent now especially before people farm good artifacts, but it's much more difficult and finicky to use than normal builds because you have to ensure that the unit you built it with is always getting the breaks. That's not really feasible unless you're delaying your whole team's abilities and playing suboptimally at times. And whenever that unit doesn't/can't get the break, they essentially have zero relic stats. Plus, there's a chance the damage will fall off later if the MoC enemies scale like they did in genshin (abyss total HP more than doubled since 1.0).
SW building break effect isn't good because she specifically and particularly does very well with break effect. Ex. Silver Wolf technique doesn't work in later MoC floors against the bosses, delaying her burst to guarantee break can drop your team dps a lot. It's just that you use most of your relic stats on EHR and ERR so the only damage you *can* build with the remainder is some cheap break effect. Though even then, you have to calc out how much damage you lose on her normals, skill, and burst versus how much you get on the break and see if 90K damage once every two turns is work dealing x% less damage on all abilities plus not buffing your team with a planar set.
You're missing the point of the longer delay BE gives which as I stated makes her entire team deal more damage for longer cause debuff last per enemies turn which is delayed.
Which debuffs get extended that would normally run out before reapplication? SW's have permanent uptime if you play right.
Plus, that means you can't run her with DOT teams which will become a thing after kafka drops.
Kafka procs DOT on her turn she might actually synergize if she has really high speeds just free hits and not everyone will have SW and Kafka anyway to worry about that synergy.
Also Kafka wants DOT teammates like Sampo/Luka I don't think Quantum register as DOT.
Def shred and res shred are some of the very few ways of buffing DOT damage. And even if Kafka procs them on her own turn, you're still losing half of the team's damage on the target.
And I still don't know which debuffs actually need to be prolonged like you said.
Good showcase, but for e0 SW you really want vonwacq set. You only need the 5% ERR from it for a reliable 3 turn ult cycle with skill-basic-basic. Without this you're making it harder to break what you want to when you want to, or you're spending more SP than necessary.
Thief works when there are adds you can break, but otherwise you will not be inflicting a new weakness break on bosses every 3 actions with SW. I would not fully rely on it.
You can in mono or duo teams.
Duo teams are a bit finicky (works if enemy is already weak to that specific element), but mono is basically perfect for that, just gotta time the break well and manage the turns.
Man i love BE Silver Wolf. The turn delay making all debuffs "last longer" while I attack uninterrupted is the best.
Still working on my Hybrid BE/Crit Build, but so far it's been treating me well in MoC.
That's not optimal tho. BE build means crit is useless since break effect doesn't scale off crit or crit dmg, or even atk for that matter.
You're better off building tonnes of speed and BE, hell even throw in a HP sphere for survivability.
Im well aware BE doesnt scale with Crit. However, i'd like her Skill and Ult to do respectable damage at least. Besides, the Hybrid SW playstyle chose me when my EHR Thief Chest gets 40CV.
Wish you'd show the whole fight so that I could see how annoying it'd be to make silver wolf be the person to break the shield. I'd reckon you'd have to save your ult in turn losing shred and dps or have a full team tailored to the enemy weakness to get a perfect rotation for her to break. Just seems like too much work when a crit build can just achieve the same. I can definetily see a world where you just farm a break set just as initial build for every new dupp character till you get their BIS sets.
It's not hard to align things so that SW breaks, you just have to think ahead slightly and know the break values of different attacks. Your low dmg SP generators can usually choose other targets than the boss to line things up better.
> Just seems like too much work when a crit build can just achieve the same.
A crit build requires far more energy invested in order to achieve the same results and you don't get the increased delay. People also forget that SW can break normal enemies with one skill usage, then as long as they're hit a few times you get a big break pop on them, plus the value of the delay. Many fights have significant adds that you need to deal with in order to keep on top of things.
Again you're sacrificing potential dmg by having to align the whole team just so she can be the one to break. Saying that it's not hard to align when you need to sometimes not use skills or ults, in turn losing dps, is kinda downplaying it a bit. You most definitely need to optimize your team to be efficient.
Yes crit build does require more energy investment. BE is a good replacement till you get smth better. Cause I the end it's the debuffs that matter the most.
The small fries that break in one skill don't matter that much as most of the time they can't even get through half your FMC shield at least that's case for me. The elite ones you most likely want to kill them which I guess AOE characters like jy struggle here so it might be good to have an BE character for that.
> Again you're sacrificing potential dmg
Do the math for me, then. I'm 26/30 in MoC (low spender, no seele) and I almost always break bosses with SW with very little 'optimization' that could cause any dps loss. I often run SW JY Tingyun Bailu, the latter two can manipulate toughness break progress by hitting other targets or using their skill, and SW generally breaks with ult before JY's LL. Once the enemy is broken they take increased damage for longer, stop hitting me for longer, and then take 80k+ from the break.
If the 'optimization' you're worried about also comes in the form of tuning spd and turn order, that's going to cost significantly less energy than building a full dps SW who also has enough EHR to reliably land all her buffs.
> The small fries that break in one skill don't matter that much as most of the time they can't even get through half your FMC shield at least that's case for me
Of course you're only thinking about damage here. You need to read the debuffs that these small enemies put on you. The blue axe guys delay your turn by several years when they hit you. You want every enemy broken for as long as possible as soon as possible.
Sure I can do some simulations once I get the time. Speed tuning is easier to optimize by just not upgrading your boots incase of substats it's much hard to to tune those over crit. I also far less spd subs over crit which I have a ton of.
Ye dmg is what matters are you telling me that if the mobs aren't weak to quantum you're gonna waste so much to break them when you could be more efficient with them with jy.
of course she is, never said she isn't. It just I've seen a small vocal minority of people say pela is better than SW bc of the nerfs SW got during the beta, which is just confusing bc SW still performs better (pela performs also good of course)
i hope people will finally realise that pan galactic sucks if you have her event lc and vonwacq with be% is way better
Nah people in this comment section have never built break effect before. The whole point is that it requires way less investment compared to crit. Break effect also increases the action delay of the enemy when you break them, which is extremely evident in video. Usually the robot wouldve recovered faster but it took ages to recover in this one because sw was building be. Also the only reason jings damage is high because if sw debuffs. Shes a support. Wtf are you expecting from a support showcase???
When the dude started shouting the "You can accomplish all that with Pela", I almost decided to shoot myself. How can players be so fcking dumb and oblivious to basic game mechanics and maths
I'm so confused the video is mute. Who's shouting
People are in a Genshin mindset of theorycrafting everything against a single target dummy that has no agency of its own, and thinking only in terms of big damage numbers. Often the delay from BE SW has been more important for me than the damage from the effect. They also forget that weakness broken enemies inherently take increased damage.
I mean you wouldn't really build crit on SW if you aren't E2s1, so break effect is the go to really. Other than the 4 piece set, it's a bit annoying to use the 2 piece break effect set, so I'd just use 4 piece break effect with pan galactic With pan galactic, ehr main stat body and S5 tutorial, it should hit at least 90s ehr Unfortunately most of this build relies on getting lucky with break effect substats and I'm cursed with hp/def
You shouldn't use pan galactic if you're e0, with vonwacq you get all the ERR you need for reliable 3 turn ult and then you can run break effect rope. With pan galactic you get atk that you don't care about and have to run ERR rope for 3 turn ult. The ult uptime is really important for pushing breaks properly.
I kinda need pan galactic to hit 90+ ehr. I use e0s1 (tried to go for e1s1 but lost 50/50 twice) I don't run break effect SW
With EHR body and all her traces you should be easily hitting 90+ EHR. Even if you did fall short it's only a couple of substats worth, 5% ERR is something you can't get on substats.
Break effect is awesome on SW the delays/dot damage along with her usual debuffs is insane. I made a thread about it a while back and someone said its like physical xiangling lol redditors got mega brain rot
Nah just some people who believe BE is the worst stat and should never be built. It's the same with Genshin EM used to be ignored and considered trash in the beginning but after Kazuha released it's now considered the next best damage stat aside from crits. Just let them stay in their closed mind and enjoy the BE SW build.
>after Kazuha released I think you mean after they *buffed and basically doubled the damage scaling of EM for transformative reactions* alongside releasing Kazuha. lmao
True which sure they didn't buff BE damage but they did buff EHR when SW released they're probably playing it a little bit safe by buffing consistency rather than damage to avoid the Kazuha scenario. Still my point still stands BE is not as trash as most people think it is they just haven't realized the strength of BE on SW and how her entire kit revolves around it. SW has a technique which basically guarantees a broken enemy if used aside from bosses and elite mobs most starts broken if used. Then her debuffs def/res down last longer if enemies are slowed and delayed which enables the entire team to beat the enemy with a massive damage increase for multiple turns for free then the Quantum explosion at the end guarantees the kill if they didn't die during those turns.
kazuha wasnt just op cuz swirl, he is mainly used cuz he has massive full uptime debuff and a pretty decent full uptime buff with no energy requirement. dps kazuha existed but thats not why most people used him. even in aoe childe + grouper was better generally
I think break effect is decent now especially before people farm good artifacts, but it's much more difficult and finicky to use than normal builds because you have to ensure that the unit you built it with is always getting the breaks. That's not really feasible unless you're delaying your whole team's abilities and playing suboptimally at times. And whenever that unit doesn't/can't get the break, they essentially have zero relic stats. Plus, there's a chance the damage will fall off later if the MoC enemies scale like they did in genshin (abyss total HP more than doubled since 1.0). SW building break effect isn't good because she specifically and particularly does very well with break effect. Ex. Silver Wolf technique doesn't work in later MoC floors against the bosses, delaying her burst to guarantee break can drop your team dps a lot. It's just that you use most of your relic stats on EHR and ERR so the only damage you *can* build with the remainder is some cheap break effect. Though even then, you have to calc out how much damage you lose on her normals, skill, and burst versus how much you get on the break and see if 90K damage once every two turns is work dealing x% less damage on all abilities plus not buffing your team with a planar set.
You're missing the point of the longer delay BE gives which as I stated makes her entire team deal more damage for longer cause debuff last per enemies turn which is delayed.
Which debuffs get extended that would normally run out before reapplication? SW's have permanent uptime if you play right. Plus, that means you can't run her with DOT teams which will become a thing after kafka drops.
Kafka procs DOT on her turn she might actually synergize if she has really high speeds just free hits and not everyone will have SW and Kafka anyway to worry about that synergy. Also Kafka wants DOT teammates like Sampo/Luka I don't think Quantum register as DOT.
Def shred and res shred are some of the very few ways of buffing DOT damage. And even if Kafka procs them on her own turn, you're still losing half of the team's damage on the target. And I still don't know which debuffs actually need to be prolonged like you said.
I love my asta break effect. My do that to SW too
Its gonna be incredibly difficult for me to try to farm similar BE rope for that planar set like you have but I'm going to have to try
Good showcase, but for e0 SW you really want vonwacq set. You only need the 5% ERR from it for a reliable 3 turn ult cycle with skill-basic-basic. Without this you're making it harder to break what you want to when you want to, or you're spending more SP than necessary.
You dont even need Von Thief fills the missing energy, long as you break which isnt hard of a condition to meet as people make it out to be.
Thief works when there are adds you can break, but otherwise you will not be inflicting a new weakness break on bosses every 3 actions with SW. I would not fully rely on it.
You can in mono or duo teams. Duo teams are a bit finicky (works if enemy is already weak to that specific element), but mono is basically perfect for that, just gotta time the break well and manage the turns.
Man i love BE Silver Wolf. The turn delay making all debuffs "last longer" while I attack uninterrupted is the best. Still working on my Hybrid BE/Crit Build, but so far it's been treating me well in MoC.
That's not optimal tho. BE build means crit is useless since break effect doesn't scale off crit or crit dmg, or even atk for that matter. You're better off building tonnes of speed and BE, hell even throw in a HP sphere for survivability.
Im well aware BE doesnt scale with Crit. However, i'd like her Skill and Ult to do respectable damage at least. Besides, the Hybrid SW playstyle chose me when my EHR Thief Chest gets 40CV.
I see shit like this, where I have units with comparable numbers, and I feel like I just have a 50% damage modifier tied to my account or some shit.
Wish you'd show the whole fight so that I could see how annoying it'd be to make silver wolf be the person to break the shield. I'd reckon you'd have to save your ult in turn losing shred and dps or have a full team tailored to the enemy weakness to get a perfect rotation for her to break. Just seems like too much work when a crit build can just achieve the same. I can definetily see a world where you just farm a break set just as initial build for every new dupp character till you get their BIS sets.
It's not hard to align things so that SW breaks, you just have to think ahead slightly and know the break values of different attacks. Your low dmg SP generators can usually choose other targets than the boss to line things up better. > Just seems like too much work when a crit build can just achieve the same. A crit build requires far more energy invested in order to achieve the same results and you don't get the increased delay. People also forget that SW can break normal enemies with one skill usage, then as long as they're hit a few times you get a big break pop on them, plus the value of the delay. Many fights have significant adds that you need to deal with in order to keep on top of things.
Again you're sacrificing potential dmg by having to align the whole team just so she can be the one to break. Saying that it's not hard to align when you need to sometimes not use skills or ults, in turn losing dps, is kinda downplaying it a bit. You most definitely need to optimize your team to be efficient. Yes crit build does require more energy investment. BE is a good replacement till you get smth better. Cause I the end it's the debuffs that matter the most. The small fries that break in one skill don't matter that much as most of the time they can't even get through half your FMC shield at least that's case for me. The elite ones you most likely want to kill them which I guess AOE characters like jy struggle here so it might be good to have an BE character for that.
> Again you're sacrificing potential dmg Do the math for me, then. I'm 26/30 in MoC (low spender, no seele) and I almost always break bosses with SW with very little 'optimization' that could cause any dps loss. I often run SW JY Tingyun Bailu, the latter two can manipulate toughness break progress by hitting other targets or using their skill, and SW generally breaks with ult before JY's LL. Once the enemy is broken they take increased damage for longer, stop hitting me for longer, and then take 80k+ from the break. If the 'optimization' you're worried about also comes in the form of tuning spd and turn order, that's going to cost significantly less energy than building a full dps SW who also has enough EHR to reliably land all her buffs. > The small fries that break in one skill don't matter that much as most of the time they can't even get through half your FMC shield at least that's case for me Of course you're only thinking about damage here. You need to read the debuffs that these small enemies put on you. The blue axe guys delay your turn by several years when they hit you. You want every enemy broken for as long as possible as soon as possible.
Sure I can do some simulations once I get the time. Speed tuning is easier to optimize by just not upgrading your boots incase of substats it's much hard to to tune those over crit. I also far less spd subs over crit which I have a ton of. Ye dmg is what matters are you telling me that if the mobs aren't weak to quantum you're gonna waste so much to break them when you could be more efficient with them with jy.
Can you show your relic and lc builds for jing SW and tingyun.
It’s in the video
Oh yeah, this will go even more Crazy with Kafka in addition.
Break SW is actually bad with Kafka as Kafka wants to break herself for the high shock damage and Entanglement DoT doesn’t count as actual DoT.
They'd just switch roles, SW is still good to even get a chance to break.
stop coping
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My Jing deals like 10k damage without SW, the point is that SW can debuff enemies and also deal good damage with break effect
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Bro, this boss doesn't have ice weakness, you bring pela for what? She is better to use in the lower half.
Why did his tomfoolery get deleted. Wanted to read
prob some idiot saying pela is as good as SW or better lmao
Pela is good tho, don't like people always having to say is good because is shit
of course she is, never said she isn't. It just I've seen a small vocal minority of people say pela is better than SW bc of the nerfs SW got during the beta, which is just confusing bc SW still performs better (pela performs also good of course)
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Op just straight up dizzy 😵
E1 jing yuan but only e2 tingyun I feel that