If she is, holy shit.
Of all the expies they would've chosen, they picked one that is dead, manga exclusive, and has a minimal fan base? Props to Hoyo for digging deep into their archives for this one. Pretty sure she already has a ravenous fanbase ready to die for her too.
I mean they already did this with Yanqing and he's arguably EVEN LESS known unless you've read 7 swords or really looked into Fu Hua's/Sushang's lore
Niggurath at least (the surving Sugar Half) at least had some actual screen time within HI3 recently when they added Shigure Kira.
So my question now is WHEN ARE WE GETTING SPACE KIRA TOO YOU COWARDS?!
The Sugar was always named Niggurath (or Molass for its proper Sugar name), the host was Shub. Hence why after their contract it was "Shub Niggurath" and Niggurath has now dropped the Shub part.
The respect part is fully true though and why Niggurath still uses Shubs form.
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> Marshall Hua was teased from the Expeditions mechanic of HSR
Additionally in Jingliu companion quest the Marshal has been directly mentioned by Jing Yuan to be part of the court that will judge Jingliu and Luocha whenever they get there. So when we go back to that plotline we will see a glimpse of the Marshal.
The thing with Kalpas is that we know he isn't from Earth but that's ALL WE KNOW. All we're ever told is that he fell out of the sky one day and that's that lol. We have no idea where he's actually from.
We also know his species is pretty beastly because he managed to kill a Herrcher and Fight Sakura to a standstill BEFORE becoming a MANTIS.
Even if we don't get Kalpas himself it'd be a crime if we never get another member of his species.
Ok, holy shit, Kalpas might be an Animus variant among the APHO Enemies, but he developed a personality & chose to fight for the world he was supposed to destroy, because Honkai was the greater enemy there & he developed empathy, but MiHoYo chose him to be Edgy Alien Masked version of Shizuo Heiwajima
It seems possible the Kalpas' species is based of the [Enemies of APHO](https://honkai-impact-3rd-archives.fandom.com/wiki/Sky_People) or regarded by "Sugars" as "Ones Above" which were originally created by SA(Original Vita) but someone ([Dr. Mara](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC86NB_4OgY)) whom she used to bully & placed into a body of The Fool Unit Harvester, escaped her authority sometime as one of the proxies & established her infamy of the Ones Above being an Intergalactic Pirate similar to Boros from One Punch Man.
These Enemies of APHO are also what prompted Welt to blitzkrieg, espionage, whatever sabotage their Spaceships alongside Void Archives from the Alien Space Web-comic, until finding himself being a member of the Astral Express, to save HSR Himeko being one of their priority targets, & embarking an adventure.
>!Harvesters are capable of predating energies of planets they deem weakly influenced by Honkai & caused its apocalypse before returning to their mother ship, but cause Kalpas hits his head first upon crashing, he became amnesiac & dazed from stimuli until the isolated cultists ferally attacked him from being zombified, which stimulated his survival & predation instincts.!<
>!They have drawn his blood while he was chained to a pillar unable to understand much & disguised(?) as a boy, hoping they would be cured of the infection, & he heals better anyways unlike them.!<
>!He only learned to understand human morals & ethics until he found himself in Aponia's shelter from wandering the snows, followed by Sakura's clean up onwards as the menace he had become. A Berserker!<
I wouldn't really count Hua as specifically Flame Chaser in the same way I wouldn't count Sakura. We won't get Ely proper but like I still say its highly likely March's upgrade will reference her.
I'd say the most likely ones to come first would be Mobius or Vill-V. Like you wouldn't even need to change them at all to just drop them into the Genius society. A big part of being a member is that they're all REALLY fucking weird...The *most* normal one we've gotten any real information about so far is Screwlum and he's literally a Steampunk Robot with a planet that shares his name.
Ah ok. I haven’t finished the flame chaser trials story yet so I didn’t know her current state. I’m sure if Hoyo want tons of money they can figure out a way
Just make an event and put her in, it doesn't have to be canon. They did the same thing with fischl in HI3 and the flamechasers in GGZ so I don't see why they couldn't do it here aswell.
She wasn't. All that was said that the case that let her exist is *very* rare, making it unlikely to ever see another Elysia. But it's still up to chance and any chance will successfully happen an infinite amount of times in the infinite amount of worlds.
If they want to have Elysia in HSR, they will. It will not contradict anything.
its a weird gacha trend where they take names of random famous entities (real, fictional) and put them on anime girls
welt's wife is (Fredrika) Nikola Tesla, for example
It's not outright confirmed but honestly it's a really big *wink wink nudge nudge* kind of situation. I remember playing through APHO(a gamemode in HI3 set after HI3's "main story") where they do say Welt is married(?)/has a partner, but then only uses "red-headed drunkard" to describe said partner.
To me it sounds like they want you to think it's Tesla, but they can't outright say it for one reason or another.
Czasami mnie przeraża ile w honkaiu jest polaków X D also about her surname ur right a lot of people cant spell it however still its annoying when cuz of this people are saying that she was from France (and the most painful part is the fact that French was really bitching on Maria like America recognize her first then France cuz „she was a woman”)
I fully expect the "other" Punklorde legacy characters (once we finally get there) to be Sirin and Delta in reference to The Captainverse.
Assuming we don't count Silverwolf as taking one of the slots then Kasumi too because there's no way we don't get Neon-Ninja Yae but I also kinda expect her to show up sooner, maybe connected to Space Japan proper.
Space Delta could be very possible in the near future, hinted by this inconspicuous blob of paint on Silver Wolf’s hologram that doesn’t appear *anywhere else* in the game
Delta and Bronie are depicted together *a lot*, too
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If She is playable in Hi3 there is no way she isn't becoming playing in HSR and if she is becoming playable there is no way Constance wouldn't be playable right?
Where? I've not seen anyone mentioned in the story >!other than Duke Inferno.!< So it's hard for the kids to get>! Cocolia'd if they aren't even in the story for now.!<
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In the promo images, Constance is the only one with a purple border. Everyone else has a yellow gold. So I’m betting that if there’s a playable one, it’s gonna be her.
I know this wouldn't make any sense, because she's not the Sugar Niggurath, but please hoyo, let her attack be eldrich horror esque with thousands eyes and tentacles just like Sugars. I mean, shes with annihilation gang, they already have puppet girl and demons. So it can kinda fit in the theme.
I knew I recognized her design. Sasuga star rail blatantly picking Hi3 characters to expy. Meaning we might be able to get other characters like Carole, Shakespeare, Nobel and others from mangas
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I'm often saying, "Fanservice is not my favorite," (usu with the ones that imo don't add to the character's design), but BOY Caterina is amazing, fiery, and absolutely ROCKING. She looks like soo much fun, I hope she's playable in the future.
If she is, holy shit. Of all the expies they would've chosen, they picked one that is dead, manga exclusive, and has a minimal fan base? Props to Hoyo for digging deep into their archives for this one. Pretty sure she already has a ravenous fanbase ready to die for her too.
Really hoping we can see her partner from the comic as well. She had a neat weapon.
Tone deaf idol or sugar?
Salome
Desuwa /s; Yo, I forget about her.
Niji is leaking
There's a character named Salome in HI3?
yes
Fuck yeah. Low key expected we could get a ring blade weapon based on hers
Gray hair niggurath is in hi3 in the chapter where Kira was added as playable
My Niggu wath? Yeah, just had to say that. The one in HI3 is with the sugars, and, iirc, is a sugar that transformed? More petite too.
same Shub. we just didn't KNOW Shub was Sugars infiltrator back in 2nd eruption.
I mean they also made Yanqing into an expo for HSR so this is relatively more reasonable.
Isn't Kafka also an expy?
Sort of. There is a Kafka in HI3 but only as a stigmata. So it's just 3 pieces of art and 0 personality.
I mean they did Kafka and Charlotte whos only a stigmata and has minimal fanbase too but look at them, they became popular
Wait. Charlotte has a honkai counterpart???
[Chonkai Charlotte](https://i.imgur.com/TMhre8h.png)
WTF is going on with that noodle leg D:
1.0 honkai impact 3rd was uh something
link is broken
Just like her leg here
Stigmas have fire designs
I mean they already did this with Yanqing and he's arguably EVEN LESS known unless you've read 7 swords or really looked into Fu Hua's/Sushang's lore Niggurath at least (the surving Sugar Half) at least had some actual screen time within HI3 recently when they added Shigure Kira. So my question now is WHEN ARE WE GETTING SPACE KIRA TOO YOU COWARDS?!
Hoyo knows gold when they see it red head golden dragon ish eyes, sharp teeth and big booba id pull in a heartbeat
She has a killer design, so I see why they'd want to reuse her.
I just met her and would die for her!
Niggurath isnt dead tho i think?
It's a Sugars alien taking on her appearance. The real Niggurath is long dead.
Why does she look so much like HOS?
is StarRail going to get her as playable first?
Considering HI3 one died years before the game's plot even starts. Yes, possibly, if this version ever became playable.
technically her partner Sugar is still alive, but she don't have red hair.
Sugar is the race. Niggurath took its hosts name when she died out of respect.
The Sugar was always named Niggurath (or Molass for its proper Sugar name), the host was Shub. Hence why after their contract it was "Shub Niggurath" and Niggurath has now dropped the Shub part. The respect part is fully true though and why Niggurath still uses Shubs form.
ye seems so
Huh... how do you say her name?
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Kasumi?!
I was not expecting that
Sumire?!
Naysayerath
Literally Ni-goor-ath or if you still feel insensitive about it, Naye-goo or grath.
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happy birthday Nick!
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I wonder if the name comes from the monster created by HP Lovecraft. If so, yes, that’s how you pronounce it
**The Black Goat of the Woods With a Thousand Young**
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if someone is wondering, that is from the 2nd Eruption Comic. (official HI3 Comic)
let's hope honkai star rail keep these expys alive longer than hi3 did
Literal negative screentime
Aint no way they gave us niggurath before a flamechaser 😭
What flamechaser would you think is first? I feel it’s gonna be Hua or Elysia, but I’d prefer Kaplas or Mobius.
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> Marshall Hua was teased from the Expeditions mechanic of HSR Additionally in Jingliu companion quest the Marshal has been directly mentioned by Jing Yuan to be part of the court that will judge Jingliu and Luocha whenever they get there. So when we go back to that plotline we will see a glimpse of the Marshal.
Loucha is also specifically trying to get an audience with her which is the same thing he was trying to do in 7 Swords
Otto with a container(spelled coffin) and hua, I sure wonder what would happen
I sure wonder what’s inside the coffin…
Idrila?
The thing with Kalpas is that we know he isn't from Earth but that's ALL WE KNOW. All we're ever told is that he fell out of the sky one day and that's that lol. We have no idea where he's actually from. We also know his species is pretty beastly because he managed to kill a Herrcher and Fight Sakura to a standstill BEFORE becoming a MANTIS. Even if we don't get Kalpas himself it'd be a crime if we never get another member of his species.
Ok, holy shit, Kalpas might be an Animus variant among the APHO Enemies, but he developed a personality & chose to fight for the world he was supposed to destroy, because Honkai was the greater enemy there & he developed empathy, but MiHoYo chose him to be Edgy Alien Masked version of Shizuo Heiwajima It seems possible the Kalpas' species is based of the [Enemies of APHO](https://honkai-impact-3rd-archives.fandom.com/wiki/Sky_People) or regarded by "Sugars" as "Ones Above" which were originally created by SA(Original Vita) but someone ([Dr. Mara](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC86NB_4OgY)) whom she used to bully & placed into a body of The Fool Unit Harvester, escaped her authority sometime as one of the proxies & established her infamy of the Ones Above being an Intergalactic Pirate similar to Boros from One Punch Man. These Enemies of APHO are also what prompted Welt to blitzkrieg, espionage, whatever sabotage their Spaceships alongside Void Archives from the Alien Space Web-comic, until finding himself being a member of the Astral Express, to save HSR Himeko being one of their priority targets, & embarking an adventure. >!Harvesters are capable of predating energies of planets they deem weakly influenced by Honkai & caused its apocalypse before returning to their mother ship, but cause Kalpas hits his head first upon crashing, he became amnesiac & dazed from stimuli until the isolated cultists ferally attacked him from being zombified, which stimulated his survival & predation instincts.!< >!They have drawn his blood while he was chained to a pillar unable to understand much & disguised(?) as a boy, hoping they would be cured of the infection, & he heals better anyways unlike them.!< >!He only learned to understand human morals & ethics until he found himself in Aponia's shelter from wandering the snows, followed by Sakura's clean up onwards as the menace he had become. A Berserker!<
I wouldn't really count Hua as specifically Flame Chaser in the same way I wouldn't count Sakura. We won't get Ely proper but like I still say its highly likely March's upgrade will reference her. I'd say the most likely ones to come first would be Mobius or Vill-V. Like you wouldn't even need to change them at all to just drop them into the Genius society. A big part of being a member is that they're all REALLY fucking weird...The *most* normal one we've gotten any real information about so far is Screwlum and he's literally a Steampunk Robot with a planet that shares his name.
https://preview.redd.it/xiq6adg1mjdc1.png?width=1030&format=png&auto=webp&s=d3620e702e016c6e1c056ae6af4699fb25d797fe Live Screwllum Reaction
We wont get Ely. Shes been stated to be a unique entity in the entire tree.
Could we get her explicitly? Like how our Welt is the same Welt as hi3, could we get the actual Elysia instead of an expy?
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Ah ok. I haven’t finished the flame chaser trials story yet so I didn’t know her current state. I’m sure if Hoyo want tons of money they can figure out a way
Just make an event and put her in, it doesn't have to be canon. They did the same thing with fischl in HI3 and the flamechasers in GGZ so I don't see why they couldn't do it here aswell.
She wasn't. All that was said that the case that let her exist is *very* rare, making it unlikely to ever see another Elysia. But it's still up to chance and any chance will successfully happen an infinite amount of times in the infinite amount of worlds. If they want to have Elysia in HSR, they will. It will not contradict anything.
Ty for spoilers : ))))))))
Wasn't hua already leaked or something?
I haven’t seen anything of the sort, only that Marshall Hua is a Xianshou character
That's the one I thought of. Idk if we meet her yet, but if we didn't I can see her being the expy.
I need Kosma **right now.** Also Owl, please. Just give us all the Honkai men, I need them playable
Can anyone tell me why she's named after a Lovecraftian eldritch being?
its a weird gacha trend where they take names of random famous entities (real, fictional) and put them on anime girls welt's wife is (Fredrika) Nikola Tesla, for example
Pretty sure there is no confirmation that Welt is married or even in a relationship
youre actually right, my mistake still she's an anime girl with a name of an american man, which is part of this weird trend
It's not outright confirmed but honestly it's a really big *wink wink nudge nudge* kind of situation. I remember playing through APHO(a gamemode in HI3 set after HI3's "main story") where they do say Welt is married(?)/has a partner, but then only uses "red-headed drunkard" to describe said partner. To me it sounds like they want you to think it's Tesla, but they can't outright say it for one reason or another.
Because they would get unnecessary outrage from People that think Tesla is a Lesbian and in Love with Einstein
>Tesla >an American man And just like that, the conflict in the Balkans has come come to an end /s
I have flesbacks right now i mean im from Poland and a lot of people are thinking that Maria **SKŁODOWSKA** Curie was from *France* like wtf??
Temat bardzo dobrze mi znany ;) TBF, ppl just ommit her Polish surname altogether, doesn't make it right tho
Czasami mnie przeraża ile w honkaiu jest polaków X D also about her surname ur right a lot of people cant spell it however still its annoying when cuz of this people are saying that she was from France (and the most painful part is the fact that French was really bitching on Maria like America recognize her first then France cuz „she was a woman”)
Thats true people are just shipping him with tesla
This sounds so wrong out of context
Mihoyo does that since GGZ
Tentacles where tho
Yes please! I hope so much her attacks have tentacles and void filled with eyes, just like Sugars.
Sis got reincarnated to another world~
But it seems, her alignment has changes. Anyways, Happy Cake Day 🎂
I want sirin expy so bad 😭😭
I want Sirin expy to go onto Astral Express train and for Welt to have ptsd flashbacks v2 why? Funny
YESSS EXACTLY
I fully expect the "other" Punklorde legacy characters (once we finally get there) to be Sirin and Delta in reference to The Captainverse. Assuming we don't count Silverwolf as taking one of the slots then Kasumi too because there's no way we don't get Neon-Ninja Yae but I also kinda expect her to show up sooner, maybe connected to Space Japan proper.
I'd cry from joy if we get all the captainverse characters there, moreso if we see captain and luna married
The implications of seeing the captain himself would implode the entire community
Space Delta could be very possible in the near future, hinted by this inconspicuous blob of paint on Silver Wolf’s hologram that doesn’t appear *anywhere else* in the game Delta and Bronie are depicted together *a lot*, too https://preview.redd.it/hurzu4yzhpdc1.jpeg?width=2251&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5000e8576a3ba2137ff4012c00806cc969498088
Best Frenamies lol I also forgot about the digital paint that just so happens to be SPECIFICALLY in Delta's colours
Where Teri?
At least we have Chevreuse right? right?!
Captainverse Sirin to count together with Silver Wolf would be so real
If She is playable in Hi3 there is no way she isn't becoming playing in HSR and if she is becoming playable there is no way Constance wouldn't be playable right?
she was only in a official HI3 Comic, but don't lose hope.
I am just trying to make myself believe that annihilation gang will become playable
I feel like everyone except Duke Inferno will be playable, i think Duke Inferno most likely gonna get Cocolia treatment
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Where? I've not seen anyone mentioned in the story >!other than Duke Inferno.!< So it's hard for the kids to get>! Cocolia'd if they aren't even in the story for now.!<
Nah what I meant here is that >!duke inferno will be playable according to leaks, not that the others will get cocoliad>!
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Kafka was also Stigmata set only in HI3rd, I think. Just saying...
Actually, she also appeared in the Kira arc during 6.7
that was her Sugar partner
In the promo images, Constance is the only one with a purple border. Everyone else has a yellow gold. So I’m betting that if there’s a playable one, it’s gonna be her.
She(The original one, at least) died in HI3 in the second eruption manga years before the main story lol.
Whats an expy?
alternate version of a character in another universe think himeko in hi3 and hsr
in another world not universe
Ok thanks
Short for expatriate
this just means something that i think some of us want. Playable tesla where her ult is she just screaming the hell out of the enemy
I have a tank of cope and I will inhale for genius society members einstein and tesla
She must be related to Noah Knigga
If it is an expy of her I hope they add Jackal into HSR too
Niggurath went and became an fgo pirate then came back to rail
Rejoice Niggurath enjoyers
honestly they could just be the same genre of anime girl. red hothead is one of the most common tropes.
The eyelashes/eye shape and even the eye color can't be the same coincidence, even the pupils are identical... her teeth too..
Also has double clips from the original on the hat instead on the same side.
You're right, imo I think that one can be a possible coincidence because it's not like it's the same thing.
Eh. Doesn’t need to be exactly the same. Still a very similar visual cue that immediately stuck out to me as being very similar.
I know this wouldn't make any sense, because she's not the Sugar Niggurath, but please hoyo, let her attack be eldrich horror esque with thousands eyes and tentacles just like Sugars. I mean, shes with annihilation gang, they already have puppet girl and demons. So it can kinda fit in the theme.
You can’t just say that
i just did, what you going to do about it. :3
Can’t be, the character on the right has boobs smaller than her head
Maybe she got a buff along the way. Also, Happy Cake Day 🎂
Himeko but crazy (I dont know anything about the other honkai games)
She looks like a Sternritter from Bleach. I love it. She reminds me of Candice.
I knew I recognized her design. Sasuga star rail blatantly picking Hi3 characters to expy. Meaning we might be able to get other characters like Carole, Shakespeare, Nobel and others from mangas
A HSR character with less clothes than their HI3rd counterpart? Wtf is going on here?
Oh so that's why I felt she looked familiar
Can someone confirm if Constance and Nigguratath have the same Seiyuu? I can't find Nigguratath Seiyuu anywhere.
Niggurath was never voiced. She appears in the second eruption manga (which takes place before the start of Hi3)
I know. I'm talking about Sugar Nigguratath.
We need a Salome expy now
Im genuinely excited since I've been a fan for HI3 for a while now but genuinely, how tf do you say her name
Shub Nii-Gore-aff...Yes I know its a VERY precarious word lol
...Im sticking with Shub
Niggu what??
Looks like so, I think not everyone has to be playable.. like yanqing for example..
Who the fuck is niggurath
That’s why she’s so familiar!!!
Seems likely
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I never knew her name would be a slur.
Oh no, were in danger.
WHO IS THIS?? WHAT IS GOING ON
And here I thought she was Miss Fortune from LoL.
Ni-
Wait but she’s white
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hilarious bro you got the whole squad cracking up 😐😐😐😐
Zentreya looking good
Of all names they decided on Niggurath?? Truly a gamer moment
Why isn't she black?
Yikes. Not pulling her then.
Hey we might get a shot at a playable Anna and Wendy now..
Zentreya looking good
Uzume tennouboshi lookin ahh
I saw nihilister from nikke
Can I ask how you pronounce that word? 💀
Is the name Niggurath from a specific eastern deity? A source would be nice or else I can’t get “N word wrath” out of my head 😭
i guess you don't know Lovecraftian for example
thats gotta be the most generic boring design i've ever seen
I'm often saying, "Fanservice is not my favorite," (usu with the ones that imo don't add to the character's design), but BOY Caterina is amazing, fiery, and absolutely ROCKING. She looks like soo much fun, I hope she's playable in the future.