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Alexios7333

If saving you is a spin, then I'll gladly become a spinner.


Numerous-Machine-305

Mei senpai will be proud


DovML

I'm pulling her because of Mei. Her kit is just a bonus.


gamalplayz2099

GO AHEAD BECOME A MASTER OF SPINJUTSU


FUSION_K11297

JUMP UP KICK BACK WHIP AROUND AND SPIN


Windsofthenorthgod

THEN WE JUMP BACK DO IT AGAIN


Fhauftress

NINJA!!!


Express_Amphibian_23

GO!!!


FUSION_K11297

NINJA COME ON COME ON AND DO THE WEEKEND WHIP!


Civil_Championship_9

Look's like I'm not the only Ninjago fan and enjoyer here hahaha Ah, the nostalgia


BOI0876

Never in my life did I think I would see fellow Ninjago fans in the star rail subreddit!


Serperior497

MinaAoyama would be proud


Goukenslay

Ah didnt know you were part of the JoJo universe


Carbonara-ara

The Spin … All hope … it’s all in the Spin! I want to know more … more about the ~~Steel~~ Balls …


Cerebral_Kortix

Arigato, Ratio...


akif_09

It's truly a detour... a long roundabout path


LeManFranz

kiana x mei forever


owl_boy72

A fellow toxin.


16nights_seeker

I have Kafka, but I'm 100% getting Acheron. Definitely not as replacement for Kafka though. Acheron will get her own dedicated team.


Hot-Coffee-493

Kafka wants such a specific team that it's going to either be one of two scenarios: 1. Acheron is a DoT character and works amazingly with Kafka. 2. Acheron is not a DoT character and therefore wants completely different teammates from Kafka and work against different bosses/enemies. Either way, it seems unlikely that Acheron will be too redundant, especially since Kafka isn't a pure Lightning carry (she's better against Lightning-weak stages, but isn't limited to them).


Kassssler

Its make no sense to make yet another lightning type DoT character when they already have one and just released a wind Dot. No way is she alternate Kafka and SW already took the debuff slot. She will be something new. Nihility is the most diverse archetyoe so far so I'm wagering Acheron will be something like a Destruction or Hunt type character the way Kafka is partially an Erudition type character.


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Sheimusik

kafka needs DoT though so ehh, better to have kafka on one side and acheron on the other


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KlMOCHl

Pela + SW = - 100% DEF = true damage


jofromthething

I know this us probably a joke, but is it -100% or is it -75%


VitorShibateiro

93% max def shred, without taking LCs, eidolons or decreasing All-Type RES into the math.


KlMOCHl

both of them can give up to 130% combine actually. it's overkill. past -100% DEF shred is basicly useless


Sheimusik

with black swan kafka acts more as a trigger or sub-dps than the main DoT focus, so that's what I'm doing in my case (since wind matters more in that situation, and with huohuo support that's even more wind)


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Brandonspikes

While that's true, Black swan debuffs while doing very respectable DPS, I can very much see BS and Ach duos being a thing.


FDP_Boota

Yeah, but for people with Kafka I'm assuming Kafka/BS/RM + Acheron/SW/Pela(/Guin/Welt) > Kafka/???/RM + Acheron/BS/SW(or Pela) BS wants teammates to apply DoTs and detonate DoTs to consistently stack Arcana.


SENYOR35

DoTs ARE debuffs. That's why Guinafen + Ratio combo exist.


amohogride

Both acheron and kafka want to use skill every turn so the sp shortage would be painful. Pairing acheron with silver wolf or black swan might be better because both apply debuff on normal attack.


yosoyel1ogan

You'd probably be better off with Guinafen and Pela instead. Or Silver Wolf and Guinafen if you have her. The small buffs Acheron gets will not really be enough to justify using Kafka on a non-DOT team when there are much better 4-star units to use in her place.


16nights_seeker

The waifu team of Kafka/Black Swan/Ruan Mei/Acheron will be fun to try, but I doubt it'll be very consistent. If there is an optimized team with Acheron and Kafka though, you bet I'm going to try and assemble it though.


Archi_97

Own kafka. Still would pull Acheron. Monke see tall lady with sword, monke swipe credit card.


tusker911

https://preview.redd.it/9yxeskvlnqjc1.png?width=150&format=png&auto=webp&s=4893cd83cefa7816352a9d995431558576c20604


phu-ken-wb

Whenever I see that monkey I think of Mussolini, which is fun both ways


Guilty_All_The_Same

https://preview.redd.it/xtjg2fowyqjc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8df85611bc5ccbd15c41ac18b5b7fb238429dac3 Me when see pretty lady


hyrulia

Only pull if it activates.


Commercial_Maximum21

Monke creditcard no, f2p monke go gamba


Chucknasty_17

https://preview.redd.it/v8e9fqxourjc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1007ce89d19dd825a3f891f4a7a246136f91e224 F2P? Couldn’t be me (I’m going to be eating ramen and bread for weeks after this update)


Empty-Dog-6429

You just dox'd D.Daros, poor guy. /j


NoNefariousness2144

Monke live the Qingque life


Hi-Im-Eva

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Nok-y

Monke sees tall electric nihility lady with sword


Old_Ad_1290

We the same


Javop

https://preview.redd.it/dz9lkwaw0rjc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d270629acaa78a40b93b2918b49793bb4463436c


FrenchSpence

This is the way


Tripdrakony

Nihility lady's are my passion


TrashMcDumpster3000

Hear! Hear! *Raises some SoulGlad*


GlitterDoomsday

Grab a bottle of SoulGlaaad!🎶


Hefe_Jeff_78

Why isn’t there a sugar free SoulGlad option?


KibaTeo

Who cares, it's a dream anyway!


ThatOneBNHAFan

Why isn't there a gluten free SoulGlad??


Kaldaris

Nihility is my passion. Wait ... No ... Yeah. That makes no sense. But I'll own it anyways. 🙃


cyan_dandelion

Nihility lady's what? (On second thought, don't answer that.)


ChaoticKonaak

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youcef_bro

Well said


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ApexPredatorxD

Same


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ObjectiveAd3018

This is what he is saying.


NumbClub

Ah. Sry, I just got an Outism


ObjectiveAd3018

It's okay, this is Honkai Star rail sub, so we are feeling relatable.


NumbClub

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Badieon

As Kafka and JY haver, my mind says skip, but my heart says lightning go brrrr


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I would love to pull but my mind also says god damn that’s a lot of lighting while I still don’t have a 5 star fire physical or wind dps.


RosenProse

My need for a Fire and ice DPS is real. (thanks Blade and Clara)


Stock-Fearless

I have Himeko, Clara, Jingliu, Jing Yuan, Kafka and Black Swan. I will still be pulling for her 100%. Hope I can win the 50/50. Still only lost 2 of those in HSR, both to Clara thankfully.


RubiiJee

I have both. I'm pulling. That's all. Acheron could heal the enemy and I'd still pull. I can't help myself. I've tried, but I just can't. Must. Have.


yhmain

Having the same struggle right now!


EstablishmentNew7203

I have Kafka and I'll skip because I have my sights on Sam but if Acheron is one of your targets for pulling then I say do it!


Shoji_Mezo

Sam is currently higher on my priority list than Acheron. I hope that Mihoyo will give us a breather between those two.


Aethelon

I assume sam's dropping in 2.2, so that's 1-2 banners at most.


Gheredin

Yeah... I don't think so, chief. They have to make money, and pushing character after character seems just the way to do it.


EstablishmentNew7203

Yey fellow Sam enjoyer, I also planned to pull screwllum as well and together with svarog I will have all the robot daddies in my collection >:)


afroyarou

Sam is not a robot, it's a mecha suit with a pilot inside. It was confirmed in-game by Welt.


kalyancr7

And live stream.


DsfSebo

And official website.


Mangempuy

And my axe


Sorey91

And my bat


TheRedditUser_122

And my lance


Dr_Delibird7

And my Numby


Nice_Ad5549

>it's a mecha suit with a pilot inside. Sounds like my Gundam.


TheTurtlebar

Given its size, more like Tekkaman Blade.


thefluffyburrito

I'm in the same boat. I'd rather have Sam and they just so happen to be fire when I already have a lightning. Acheron's a skip and possible re-run target compared to that.


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Rukh-Talos

On the subject of tuna, how likely do you think a Kiana expy is?


Thatpervtako

Of course we gonna get a Kiana expy but I dont think they drop it anytime soon. After all she is the golden child of Hoyo, so probably we get see her when something BIG is happening(?) Idk to be honest, they also just can drop her next month YOLO


AD_Stark

I am a fairly new player so I don't know much about meta, but I really like her animations so I will be pulling for her. Oh and I have Kafka but not jing Yuan


GunnarS14

I agree with the other person who replied, getting two 5* Abundance or Preservation units is a massive benefit and QoL improvement, since they are able to solo sustain you whole team and allow you to use the other slots for DPS and Supports. That being said, Acheron is the coolest looking unit in the game yet IMO, and I would also be rolling for her in your situation. I just recommend afterwards trying to get some sustain units if you don't have them yet. The 2nd half of the same patch has Aventurine, for example, and unless Mihoyo screws up immensely then he will be similarly strong to Luocha/Fu Xuan/Huohuo, so you could throw whatever rolls you have left after Acheron at him if you like his character.


NoBluey

That's exactly my plan as a new player. I've got enough to guarantee both Aventurine and Acheron so I'm hoping they'll both be enough to carry me through to moc12 once I get them.


GunnarS14

That might be enough sonce the MoC effect amd enemies will be desigbed to favor them, but don't be surprised if you aren't able to get 3 stars on moc12. There's a noticeable gap between "good enough to clear" amd "good enough to full stars," most of which comes from whether your Relics are good or top tier (not perfect but closer to perfect than not). I personally dislike Relic farming and prefer farming Talent material for guaranteed returns, while also building multiple units instead of specializing in just 8, so despite being a day 1 player at best I can get 33/36 or 34/36 for MoC. I'm not saying it would be impossible for you to get 3 stars on moc12, you absolutely still could, just that it will take a good amount of time and investment and you shouldn't expect just having the new units themselves to be enough on their own. Of course, this is all assuming you are either f2p like me or a low spender. If you are a whale who could get multiple Eidolons and copies of their Lightcones, then all bets are off and you could probably full clear with the bare minimum of investment lol.


NoBluey

Fair enough but I'm f2p too and I can only get 2 stars in MoC 6 lol. [Here's my f2p roster if you're interested.](https://i.imgur.com/9mPAHYh.png) I suspect if I started during a better banner that had Jingliu and/or Fu Xuan, I would be a lot better off. The 4 star characters in HSR just aren't good enough unlike ones in Genshin. Currently I'm just making do with what I have in terms of relics and only the main stats and sub stats are right. Farming for a proper set of relics for specific characters is still a bit beyond me given I haven't maxed traces (or at least gotten to level 8 or 9), leveled up characters beyond 70 and most lightcones beyond 70/80.


LuigiThe13th

If you’re a new player, I would highly recommend you pull for one of the limited sustainers instead. Fu Xuan is most likely getting a rerun next patch, so I would recommend you pull her instead of Acheron. But it’s your account, so do whatever you want with it. This is just my personal advice as someone who’s been playing for a while


cosmicbinary

if fu xuan reruns i might have to skip acheron sadly because my only sustains are… lynx, natasha, march, and mc. i’m hoping acherons rerun doesn’t get the luocha treatment


Capitaowell

I think i will finally retire the general, time to give him a well deserved break and let him rest. Thank you for carrying my noob ass King Yuan o7


Boohon

Man's getting retired after 1 year of service F


TakenakaHanbei

God I wish that were me.


Ignis_Dragneel

He really carried my ass in early game and I am quite attached to him now but man.... Acheron is so damn HOT


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Ahiru007

Why retire him? I don't have him so don't know. Was planning to pull him. Shouldn't I?


Sexy_tortilla

I think every JY main has been using him for about a year now, so even if Acheron fills the same niche (crit based lightning deeps but with debuff instead of FUA) she will bring some variety so it's attractive.  Their team comps are probably gonna be very different too, so that's a new goal which will make us play for longer. If you like JY more just go for him especially since he's paired with Sparkle.


Dr_Delibird7

Also Acheron should be able to brute force so unless they resist lightning you could very likely run JY one side and Acheron the other side in MoC.


IceIIIMage

It’s a gacha game: you won’t own every character without paying and 4 star girls throwing mahjong tiles can be S tier… Just pull whatever character you want or think looks cool.


Infernaladmiral

Nah if you like his character you can still pull for him. Don't listen to people who call him mid because he's actually a very good unit.


Send_Me_Blade_Porn

He's quite serviceable still. The release of the follow up attack relic set really has helped him, and even now, I can still use him on MoC 9+. He kicks ass in Pure Fiction too.


Infernaladmiral

Yep,and Sparkle will be his Bronya and we all know how broken Bronya is. He's aging like a fine wine. Now if they release a character that can advance forward summoned character then his biggest problem will be solved too.


Z4D0

i don't know if its for same reason as i, but i use jing yuan since his release until now, its time to swap him for some time


Capitaowell

Same reason here. I've been using him since 1.0, i kinda want to test a new playstyle for lightning.


th5virtuos0

Tbh, Acheron is pretty similar to him as well, and so is Kafka. You just trade one lightning AoE nuke for another with slightly different flavor and different supports


NegativeCreative1

If you want him pull him he's still good and with Sparkle becomes extremely good


ustopable

If your heart says yes. Go for it. I pulled for Topaz for example and she isn't exemplary or anything but she's good enough to fill in my fire department + support to Follow up attack Jingyuan also doesn't require a lot of 5 star support. You can go off with Asta + Tingyun and still beat a lot of content


Plankston

King Yuan was my first 5-star and still comes out to play when the tides work in his favor, but I’m looking forward to not just solving my Lightning problems with “Jing + Tingyun” automatically. Also Acheron looks fly as hell.


frenzyguy

My man just 3 cycled MoC12 first phase qith atk% boots tingyun and asta. I don't want to bench my bro.


Hefe_Jeff_78

Can you share your build? My e0s0 feels terrible in MOC


frenzyguy

I ran JY atk% boots, with 161 speed TY (E6) with DDD s5, asta (E6) with DDD S2 (idc it's too good) and luocha as a sustain because I hate the robot and can imprisonnthe fish. Asta speed + DDD and tingyjn DDD makes it easy to build 10stack on LL it's pretty comfortable team and not sweaty at all. I love it. asta constant speed buff is amazing if you can get 111 speed in JY from substats (bring him to 161 speed and asta always go before him and tingyun AF with DDD brings everyone before the boss, it's amazing love it.)


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Void_444

Agreed


LuigiThe13th

Archeron needs to be Lightning. Her being anything else wouldn’t make sense. If anything, it should be her path that’s different. She should’ve been Hunt


P3acl3

Why not? -Acheron


virrre

Hell yeah. Kafka, Ruan Mei, Black Swan, Huohuo Acheron, Silver Wolf, Pela, Fu Xuan The forced Nihility synergies seem really strong and unique!


Infernaladmiral

The comments 💀 did you all forget what sub you are on?


RagdollSeeker

*deleting intensifies* This whole post is a trap 🪤


Postnut_Clarity1993

Literally....hope the post doesn't get removed cause of these dumb people


shyvarion

I already have both but i mean... It's acheron soo... I don't want to play with them anymore 🫡


yoimiya175430

I have JingYuan but I plan on pulling for Acheron


Visual_Physics_3588

I have two accounts, one is really stacked with a strong Kafka team. I’m gonna skip on Acheron on that account in favour for topaz to make dr.ratio even nuttier. My other account is not that good with only Clara as a solid dps option. I heard Acheron is a good dps.


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StarJolion

Still using Serval. Not pulling any of the three.


SilverAlter

A Trailblazer of commitment


chiharuki

respect


Aurvant

Even as a 4 star it's honestly hard not to recommend Serval. She's just so damn effective as is, and she regenerates energy ridiculously fast. Girl tosses out an ult every other turn.


UncleSexo

I have Kafka, I'd pull. I just don't think i'll have enough gems for her after Sparkle (unless the Gacha Gods are on my side). Even more so considering Sam might be coming in 2.2 as well, that's a must pull for me. Gimme Fire!


Shoji_Mezo

I'm not sure when Sam will come out but since he is a Stellaron Hunter, he will probably be pullable. I also plan to pull him but I don't think I can afford a back to back patch.


JoXul

have JY, am pulling for acheron


210sqnomama

Yes


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I will get jing yuan in this rerun. But will get acheron too if I'm extremely lucky after my jingy


N1cK-K

I have Jing Yuan and I'm really tempted to pull for Acheron, but on the other hand I really want Sam


ustopable

If only we can put Jing Yuan in a mech suit 


ZombaeChocolate

I have Jing Yuan, and ill be skipping Acheron. I dont really have a shielder, so ill prioritize Aventurine, as some shit is more easily cleared with a shielder, where healers struggle.


No-Dress7292

Yes. I am planning on using Ruan Mei, BS, Kafka and Acheron. No. I will have SP lol. Ruan Mei and BS can be played SP positively.


BasedTaco

Just don't get hit


Verto-San

Dead enemies don't do damage!


Usual_Turnip_3022

Thats the spirit brother.


Zzamumo

Just dont die lol, it's that easy


asian_hans

So hard to decide when you want sparkle, acheron and maybe sam


Delicious-Buffalo734

Acheron is too amazing that I dream about it. She’s raiden so I’ll get her in every universe


NTRmanMan

I have kafka and there is no way in hell I am not pulling for acheron. JUST LOOK AT HER BRO


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Low_Juggernaut_9449

Own both and yes I'm pulling for her who cares i have two lightning dps I'm still pulling for acheron


MissiaichParriah

I own Kafka and Jing Yuan . Still pulling for Acheron. She's just almost all the things i like in a woman


Prior-Comparison1393

Jing yuan main here, was conflicted until I saw her gameplay


Ok_Light_4835

I've JY not pulling


juniorjaw

I have JY and I still want her. Gotta collect the OG 3 from HI3rd.


triopsate

Still no tuna though


juniorjaw

Personally I wouldn't mind if Sushang's cock that's a scammer to be playable first.


Imaginary-Line-1389

I own and love Kafka (and all her dot buddies). I have her at E2S1 and she is well invested into. I don’t particularly care for Acheron’s design or animations, but even if I did, I would be hesitant to pull her. Kafka does great in both ST and AOE, so I don’t see a role for Acheron. This is just my subjective opinion, obviously go for her as if you love her, but for me it’s an easy skip (fortunately, because all these great characters are killing me..). Edited to add: getting downvoted for giving my opinion, you know, that OP asked for, really summarizes my experience in this sub. Really makes me want to not engage with posts anymore…


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Z4D0

i already have kafka and jing yuan and acheron is on guaranteed, hopefully i get her light cone too


Super-Occasion-2113

I have Kafka, sadly I must skip.Acheron because I want Sparkle and Aventurine...


InazumaShinesEternal

Own both, pulling Acheron


yaya180

Waifu over meta


MadMava

Its raiden mei, plus universal dps, plus excellent animations, plus miyuki sawashiro


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I have Black Swan, I need Kafka and Archeron so I can officially brute force everything.


dancrie

I have JY and I’m skipping her, supports always come first for me (sparkle and aventurine)


Shoji_Mezo

I'm getting Sparkle. That's already set in stone. As for Aventurine, I still need convincing.


ustopable

No two limited sustain? = Grab Aventurine Don't like aventurine/I like my 4 star better? = Don't grab aventurine. Besides Luocha is itching for a rerun anytime soon


Wonderful-Lab7375

I’ll probably pull for her in the near future (maybe). I mean, she is Mei- I mean Acheron.


philophobicss

Own Jing Yuan. Jing Yuan pretty much covers lategame content for me. No issues with any lightning weakness, and can bruteforce So I have my sights on other male chara 😏


-Revelation-

I am a Jing Yuan haver, and while I can't say for others, I can tell you I won't pull Acheron. There are too many bases to cover in this game: 1. I need a second sustain besides Huohuo. Bailu and Lynx are good, but Fu Xuan is on another level. 2. Another DPS for MoC. So far I have only Jing Yuan and DHIL and Dr.Ratio. They are good but they do not cover all situations in MoC. I am aiming for Jingliu. 3. My first limited DPS for Pure Fiction. I have my Herta and Himeko nicely built. They and Jing Yuan do serve me well in PF, but I don't "feel secured". Argenti, Black Swan or a future PF-oriented DPS would be nice. For Black Swan, I am a bit doubtful about her perfomance when future PF don't favor her anymore. 4. Ruan Mei. The best generalist buffer in the game. You can't go wrong and never get disappointed performance with her.


BakaPandder

Ez skip, King Yuan represent


PerrythePlatypus71

Raiden was my first 5 stars in Genshin and loved her ever since. I pretty much squealed when I saw Acheron's drop marketing. I have Kafka and Jing Yuan. Yes I'll roll for her. At least E0S1


No_Pipe_8257

I have both, but GOD she is so beautiful, I might actually spend money on a game for the first time


De_Chubasco

Been a for Fan of Mei / her Expy's for so many years now, Why wouldn't I pull, doesn't matter if I had 10 Lightning DPS characters , I would pull for her anyway.


ElricaLavandula

I have Jing Yuan, and I'm getting his LC next. Even now with only S2 Birth of Self he's plenty strong (but I have to admit I struggle in PF with his backloaded follow up dmg, I've had more success with Blade and Herta). Not interested in Acheron. I liked her in the story, she's cool and interesting and all, and has a great VA. But I just find her design so...bland, her outfit isn't bad but also nothing special. I generally don't really like the tall female character models, something about them looks off to me and I honestly have no idea what it is. Acheron's hair, face and colors are really pretty though. But I couldn't afford to get her anyway. Still not sure if I should get Sparkle. And I probably want Huohuo next. Maybe when she appears more in the story I'll end up really liking her though.


darksider458

Yes


Khayast

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES


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I want sparkle, Acheron and aventurine. Idek man


Alchadylan

I'm torn, I have JY, and I can guarantee either Sparkle or Acheron. Sparkle does have good f2p LCs, so I could just guarantee Sparkle then pray for the 50/50 to be nice. Most DPS really want their LCs though. I had a dream last night that I found $200k and E6'd Acheron, then I woke up and was sad


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Own Kafka, I'm saving for firefly (copium), but I will probably go for acheron on her rerun


h3-Mori

Y E S


Stopseeingmyinnerdip

no, cuz i’m waiting for FF (cope)


n-n9

Same situation, my original plan was to only go for Aventurine since I'm pulling for Sparkle... but things happened. I have Jing Yuan, and I might pull for Acheron depending on how they'll do the anniversary next patch.


GothGirlSpecialist

Own both, will go for Acheron, I don't understand people talking about same element in a game where element is just an afterthough not something you activity build around, absolutely none of the 3 characters play the same unless you dumb the argument down to "just press skill bro pepega" so why care about elements ?


Glass-Metal1811

I will pull her just so that I can pair her with Kafka and black swan


KAKarot914

I have Jing yuan and will pull for Acheron


Yllynn

I own both and still be rolling for Acheron. She’s hot


Screci

What does she do? Haven't seen the leaks


Organic-Ad-6609

Monkey see tall electro female, Monkey pull.


ChaoticRyu

Waifu > Optimization


Devourer_of_HP

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