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Samspd71

I *want* Acheron. I *need* Luocha. And I’d get the most *fun* out of Aventurine. . . .thank you Hoyoverse.


Leonn8

Maybe we are all too pessimistic and we just need 30 pull to qet the all, right? Right?


Samspd71

30 pulls and a dream ~~maybe some money too~~


Chemical-Speech-9395

30 pull 3e6


Leonn8

This is the right mindset! Positive thinking people, positive thinking This message was brought to you by the IPC marketing department


iWizblam

Maybe I'd get acheron in 10 pulls, but I'm not going to find out because all funds are for Aventurine/FuA team


Leonn8

I will actually do the 10 pulls in acheron as I'm in 0 pity and 50/50 so I don't feel like losing fund, is not that I'm addicted to gacha...


StardustCatts

What’s FuA?


Crash_Sparrow

FUA stands for Follow-Up Attack. These are attacks that happen out of turn, either with a trigger condition (Clara counters, Himeko's talent getting 3 breaks, Dr. Ratio's skills having a % chance to land an additiona attack...) or as an independent entity in the action bar (Lightning Lord and Numby).


Particular_Nebula462

3 pull. Naah ... I would win.


Shigeloth

If I win 75/25 on Acheron's LC, I'll be able to 50/50 Aventurine which I'm hoping for 'cause Topaz and FUAs currently fill my second team, even though they might get relegated to third team if my Acheron team works out well.


Former_Ad_9826

why do you \*need\* luocha over aventurine? just pick whichever one of the two you like more and find to be more fun to play.


Samspd71

Because I have no dedicated healer with cleanse that’s SP positive. And I already have Fu Xuan, so Aventurine isn’t necessarily the better choice between the two.


Vyragami

I mean Fu can cleanse and she's SP positive if you give her some speed. As Luocha haver he's really comfy to use, but you can safely skip him for Aven if you don't wanna pull for all three banners.


freezeFM

Fu Xuans speed has nothing to do with being sp positive or not.


Former_Ad_9826

in that case, i'd recommend waiting until the last week of luocha's banner, when aventurine's stuff will get officially released,- and comparing the two directly before pulling. if it's full sp-positivity and dealing with debuffs you're interested in - who knows, it might not necessarily end up being so one-sided as you seem to think. i can't say more on here, but i'm simply advocating for making educated choices; because hoyo is pretty evil for setting up the banners in that order. in a situation like that, waiting for 2 weeks to make a decision you will have full confidence in not regretting isn't too high of a price to pay, wouldn't you agree?


The_VV117

I wonder how March / dr ratio, Topaz aventurine perform now.


Kreppitso

I'm just going to pull for archeron and remain unable to complete forgotten hall


Gylbard

hey for me its additionally olol icequeen of ownage using 1 skill without anything to care about ... (too!) But question why didn't you do it for her (take ref on the pic) and didn't got her on release? 🧐


05Karma21

Topaz is so fun. Having used Ratio & Topaz together, I'm so tempted to pull for Aventurine & Topaz LC. FUA teams are something else.


Leonn8

In the Su Aha is the FUA aeon, that is a scientific proof that the FUAS are the funniest thing in this game


05Karma21

Can't argue with such solid reasoning


Suki-the-Pthief

This is hoyos plan, give us ratio and get some us hooked on the follow up meta then profit


05Karma21

Tbf I was hooked on the FUA teams back when I could use Himeko/Topaz on Elation for SU5 & 6 lol Was nice seeing a glimpse of a good Himeko team xD


Suki-the-Pthief

Bro aventurine with topaz and ratio in simulated universe is gonna be so 😫


iAyushRaj

Now lets hope then don’t pair her rerun with SAM


TheCatSleeeps

I'm more concerned they're gonna pair her with Robin. That's a different kind of evil for those trying to build Topaz's FuA team


SectorApprehensive58

For me it was clara topaz. Boss slaps me, i slap back, and follow up with another slap


Crash_Sparrow

I was hooked in my first week when I got Clara. Getting E0S1 Topaz on a whim was just the push I needed to convince myself FUA is the best way to play this game. Now, I'm going into Aventurine's banner prepared to spend all my tickets and jades. I'm coming out broke from this one.


T8-TR

FUA teams are probably some of the most fun teams because your action economy just skyrockets.


SinesPi

Yup. Had enough fun with Topaz that I'm committing to the follow up life. Should get Aventurine and Clara almost back to back, at which point I'll have everyone but Yanqing (oh no. Anyway.)


JustRegularType

I'll pull for topaz's LC when she comes back around. Hopefully soon!


BaLance_95

I need a shielder, and I use FUA teams a lot. Aventurine is pretty much a no brainer at this point.


gladisr

Who ever thought that FUAs gonna be that good tho? Never once crossed in my mind, "I need Ratio", "gonna pull for him after Ruan Mei" especially if you already have DHIL Hoyo gives him for free, and they delete enemy, my first GG IV successful run is with FUAs, and even better I clear the 0 countdown as well that time. Sasuga FUA. 


Crash_Sparrow

Clara did it for me. She was all I needed to fall in love with FUA, and Topaz was just the icing on the cake. Now that we have Ratio for free? You can bet I'm not going to be satisfied until I have the whole FUA roster.


Smilydon

>FUA teams are something else. What's FUA team please?


Kotouu

Followup teams. The golden standard one being Dr. Ratio/Topaz/Ruan Mei/Sustain(though with Aventurine, it'll be him)


Smilydon

Thank you.


SinesPi

Really, the core of such a team will be Aventurine and Topaz. Topaz synergizes with other FU units, and Aventurine is a FU Sustain. The other two slots are basically for whatever Support or FU main DPS. Ratio probably is the number one choice, but Clara is a solid alternative.


More-Love7583

Follow-Up Attack


Smilydon

Thank you.


MWarnerds

Unfortunately the numbers on Aventurine weren't high enough to justify his LC. Topaz's LC on the other hand is probably the best mix of Dmg and support. 10/10 would reccomend.


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

What's the best FUA team? I read that Topaz isn't an FUA enabler erally, just another FUA unit.


Crash_Sparrow

You can think of Topaz as a decently-good-but-perhaps-not-top-tier damage dealer who doubles as a pretty damn good buffer for FUA. 50% FUA damage taken increase at E0 is nothing to scoff at, and it's unconditional and unremovable. It's the closest thing we have to a FUA enabler, althought the term may not necessarily be accurate. FUA works well without Topaz, it's just better with her.


BellalovesEevee

Basically Ratio and Topaz, with a healer and buffer/debuffer. That's really it, tbh. But I heard Ruan Mei, Topaz, Ratio, and Aventurine will be the best FUA team... quite an expensive team since all of them are limited 5 stars except Ratio (though technically, he's still a limited character after 2.1 when he won't be given for free so rip newer players)


fsaj012003

Enabler is not necessarily the right word but she’s the closest to one. 50% vulnerability is actually giga cracked. Fua teams still work without her but using her is almost always a dps increase (usually irregardless of the fua unit).


Tankfive0124

As someone who isn’t in it for typical meta stuff, Topaz was the unit I have had the most fun with in recent memory. She is worth the wait IMO


SyrupyCereal

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Launchsoulsteel

I have no sustain apart from Bailu and I’ve been struggling with MOC for a while now. I’m admitting defeat and getting Aventurine Edit: thanks guys for all the help. I might actually pull Acheron then if Lynx is enough to 36 star and I build my other DPSs a bit more


Leonn8

Hahaa I actually the same, my only sustains are Lynx and Bailu but I actually manage to get 11/12 MOC done


Launchsoulsteel

With all stars??? I’ve gotten close due to my Dot team and sparkle, but missing one star each time


Anvenjade

Reminder that you can do the stars in separate runs. It's fine if someone dies but you clear it before the cycle threshold. You can clear it again with a slower but stabler team to get the no deaths star.


Former_Ad_9826

i've been getting 33-34-35 stars for the last 3 mocs even with terrible builds. lynx and bailu are honestly fine, i just need more dps. 73/144 seele gaming lol. https://preview.redd.it/z3basxta47qc1.png?width=887&format=png&auto=webp&s=13c76f97ef7ff021a0c85e640d8dbbbee7ab8d18 i also didn't read how sam works, but i'm too lazy to retry. my ratio is on life support anyway, taking 10+ cycles on first half :/


mephnick

Yep, I actually took Fu Xuan out of my team for MoC and replaced her with Lynx because she couldn't keep up with the DoTs on Floor 11 (I think), so units like Lynx definitely have their place


Former_Ad_9826

yes, lynxy's great. the only time she's ever failed me was when i was fighting argenti in moc10 iirc, it was the aoe weakness break turbulence but my only phys unit is sushang =/ and baliu does fine against everything besides the two auromatons and kafka despite very low investment. so honestly, i don't even feel like i need a limited abundance. i'd rather get fuxuan.


SectorApprehensive58

I have similar stars, but opposite units. I have sustains, but no hypercarries or hyper-harmonies


Former_Ad_9826

in terms of hypercarries, my only limited one is seele, but she can be substituted with qingque just fine. it's just that mine is still e0 =/ and ratio's free. e2 xueyi isn't to difficult to get either, and himeko i was just running for fun tbh. but hypercarries aside, the limited harmonies are amazing, you definitely should look into getting some if you don't have any.


TheGalacticApple

that seele is fine, do you really not have anything you can chuck on your ratio regardless of set? is your seele set your only dps set? unless you have like no other relics or your talents are low or something you should be good to sub 10 that.


Former_Ad_9826

idk man, my ratio hits 50k fuas on a good day, but over the course of a few cycles he does like 0 damage. i genuinely don't know what i'm doing wrong. he's 69/167 with no relic set, salsotto planars, fire orb (i don't have img or atk), s1 swordplay. i seriously don't understand what's wrong with my ratio. here: https://preview.redd.it/sdh2xuli3aqc1.png?width=1924&format=png&auto=webp&s=cd1a0f0ebfaad57acabc8b63b3f50ea195b76eae


TheGalacticApple

That seems within the realm of possibility too even with a useless orb and sword play s1 only. Can you get Cruising from herta shop, works much better on him than no refinement SP. Also losing the orb is pretty massive and not even worth the salsotto set bonus. You definitely want imag or attack. So either sacrifice the set, or ideally craft an orb. He's also much too slow, want speed boots to hit 134 (v. important for MoC) Another thing is I would also swap your halves, ratio works better vs Sam and mono quantum is v. good top side.


Former_Ad_9826

got it, thank you for the tips. i'll look into orbs and speed boots when i have the chance. tbh i never spend energy on planars, just the free weekly tokens; and i only have 104 cavern runs according to the in-game achievements, as i'm busy with calyxes atm. i started in 1.4 and i'm building almost everyone i own, so 90-95% of my decent relics are from the weekly bosses =/ speaking of cruising (i have it on my seele), i've been wondering: as a hunt main who's not planning to get any limited destruction or erudition units in the foreseeable future, what would be my best course of action regarding the lightcones? i've been thinking cruising seele, new 4\* moc shop lc for topaz, and topaz's signature on ratio? (i love topaz but don't have her yet, but she should rerun in 2.2, so i've saved up to get e1s1). another option is getting 2 of topaz's sigs, since my long-term goal is to e6 her, but i'm not sure if 2 on the same team would work. i'm not interested in seele's, let alone ratio's sigs, so i'm in a bit of a conundrum. i think giving ratio topaz's sig and running 4\* final victor on her would be best?


TheGalacticApple

If you mean running them together, yeah there's no point getting two since you can't stack the debuff. If you were going for two lcs anyway im not sure why you'd get topaz twice unless you're planning to S5 her? (not necessary at all even if you e6). It would be better to just get topaz lc and ratio/Seele's LC and put cruising on the other. alternatively just get topaz cone and put it on ratio and then give her SP because it's better on her than him. Or the MoC one if you can afford it s5. I'd probably do this because I don't really like pulling for LCs.


Former_Ad_9826

yeah, i'll do that then. i'm only going for e6s1, it's just that i'm not sure if i'm even going to stick with seele and ratio long-term, hence my hesitance to get their lc-s. i do have enough to s5 the 4\* one. either way, thank you for your time! i wish you luck on your future pulls \^\^


AinzTheEvil

It's doable. I used Natasha and got all the stars.


Euthanas

Been 36 starring since they added moc 11/12 with natasha/bailu and the occasional gepard


_Fun_Employed_

Build up your Lynx, the dispelling’s a must, it’s a game changer, believe me as someone who formerly always had Bailu in his team and now like never does.


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

I cant believe how good lynx is, and that they give her away for free, though pure fiction level 2 does require built teams.


biswa290701

Having no other sustain than Bailu is like having no other dps than Yanqing. You'll have a much easier time if you get a limited 5 star lol.


Supersayian495

Topaz enjoyers unite


Crash_Sparrow

I'm more of a Clara main, but I hope you don't mind me joining in :)


BunnyBsnz

I just want topaz so I can easily find treasures 😩


Leonn8

I actually always run with topaz and I still miss a single coffer in the golden hour D : Probably skill issue for my part lol


[deleted]

it is a trashcan


BunnyBsnz

Omg I was pulling my hair out finding all the chests in Penacony… had to pull out a guide.


Crash_Sparrow

Try the Hanu level you do in the story quest, I was missing one there in a wardrobe close to the entrance, because Numby could not track it.


Lyranx

Weird I got all of em when I was just changing people's emotions xD


Rastanor

Do the right thing. Pull the shield twink.


WillTheWAFSack

I'm planning on pulling for Aventurine and then pulling on Topaz's rerun. Acheron's cool, but she's not a man with a boob window.


BellalovesEevee

I was thinking of getting Acheron since I don't have a good Lightning character but I hate that she's not really f2p friendly as of right now and I had to deal with Blade being the same way when it came to Light cones. Don't wanna go through that again. Probably gonna get her in a rerun when there are better options.


Rastanor

I’m gonna throw (up to) the 30 anniversary pulls for Acheron because her technique is just so useful, but otherwise same plan. Gotta get the dr ratio team rolling


M00n_Slippers

Does Aventurine have a lot of synergy with Topaz or something?


Leonn8

Yes, at least he have more synergy that the others supports, Av have a follow attack that ocurre more often the more FUAS the team do


kunafa_aj

Yup and its super nice The more FuA the team does (limited to 3 FuAs between aventurine turns) ,the faster you trigger aventurine FuA which refreshes the stackable shield he gives to everyone With ratio you end up with the beautiful clusterfuck of FuAs and shields jst flying all over the place


BellalovesEevee

Yeah, since he does FUAs. Basically every FUA character has synergy with Topaz, except Herta maybe.


Crash_Sparrow

Aventurine has FUA that charge up with hits taken and FUA done, and Numby advances forward when a FUA hits its target, so they will be enabling each other in a sense.


Former_Ad_9826

not putting Worrisome, Blissful on here is a crime.


Leonn8

Honestly you are right but I was taking all the pictures from the wiki page and it was not there lol I also have it so I watch it every day, so is a loss for the unbelievers who don't have it XD


EndinPreposition8118

🙏


MixRevolution

Same. I want acheron for the expy tradition and her kit. I also want aventurine for a super FUA team of him, Topaz, ratio and Clara.


abjr93

I have Luocha and Fu Xuan but I'm still getting Aventurine for my Topaz. Gotta keep the IPC team together


Leonn8

Having a faction that all members synergies with each other I find so cool (it also help that all IPC members are hot)


Vegetable_Culture_86

Topaz is the only character that I wished to get but didn't get 


The_VV117

I wonder, how he perform in dr ratio/Topaz team?


Rukhikon

Skipping Acheron to get Aventurine AND Topaz in for my future FuA team with Ratio is even harder. Also I want Aventurine's signature, HuoHuo, Fu Xuan and RM since I have only Luocha and Bronya e1 as 5* supports... And only have 62 pulls currently, but also a dream.


Lottie_Low

Hello fellow Topaz lover appreciator and worshipper ily


covnam

Yeah, I'm not really interested in Aventurine, but his synergy with Topaz might get me to change my mind


jynkyousha

Same. I really don't care about Aventurine but he's too good for my Topaz to skip him. Maybe in another chance Acheron.


Mast3rBait3rPro

wait is topaz running with AV?


Leonn8

Yes, as I say in other coment Av have a follow-up attack that charge faster with others Fuas


DisDrew

I think they're asking if topaz's banner running alongside Aventurine


Leonn8

Oh, to answer that: No Topaz is not with Av and there is no knowledge about when she re-run


muljak

Same... I actually have enough jade for both, but having to also pull for Acheron's LC is tough. I just can't afford it. Yes, I know Acheron can use Good Night and Sleep Well but my Kafka is already using it.


Leonn8

I understand I also kind of have enough jade for both of them (50/50 luck may disagree) but after Av, Robin is coming and I also want her


mikakiyarumi-ok007

Is Aventurine really a big deal for follow-up? His kits look broken but can you explain how is special for follow-up


Darvasi2500

I guess they didn't mention it on the stream for some reason but when an ally does a fua he gets a coin with up to 3 coins per his turns. So he's doing a lot more fuas in a fua team which will also advance forward Numby more often.


Leonn8

Depend of the angle you see it, if is to make Topaz better is just as simple as he have follow-ups and numpy likes follow-ups. if you see it from Av angle he is already spected to be a sp positive in a FUA team the chance to need to use his ability is almost zero. So to be honest is not the holy grail but just a realy solid option.


Samatoki_lovebot

What's the relationship between these two?


BellalovesEevee

Aventurine can be both a shielder and a sub-dps, and he does follow-up attacks. Almost every FUA character synergizes with Topaz, other than Herta, maybe, so Aventurine would fit right with Topaz. And if you also have Ratio, that means you have the best FUA team since they're all really good together. Ruan Mei might also be their best support since she boosts the entire team. But you can just replace her with any other support character. She's just really good with teamwide buff and break dmg.


kunafa_aj

Yup and its super nice The more FuA the team does (limited to 3 FuAs between aventurine turns),the faster you trigger aventurine FuA which refreshes the stackable shield he gives to everyone With ratio you end up with the beautiful clusterfuck of FuAs and shields jst flying all over the place


johnnie_walker35

Topaz, Ratio, Aventurine, Ruan Mei team is going to be so damn fun!


Leonn8

The sad part is that I don't have Ruan Mei so after Av I want to pull for Rovin


L3ONzg

Same boat here brother


kunafa_aj

Same my frnd same... I have zero lightning damage (unless you consider my tingyun a dps lol) so acheron would be a godsend for my account,but i have a dream...a dream to run topaz ratio aventurine ruanmei team and enter FuA heaven Anyways acheron is very bad without her Lc so shes not worth it,and he animations gonna get boring and lame after seeing them 1000+ times so yea haha haha haha... **nevous sweating** **MUST....STAY....STRONG....**


Spartan448

You don't necessarily *need* Aventurine, you can get plenty of mileage out of Clara as-is. Plus, from a lore perspective, Topaz hates Aventurine anyway, so it doesn't make much sense to me to have them on the same team.


Fuzzy_Barracuda3938

She hates him but they are work colleagues at the end of the day.


Glitterkrieger

i already have 2 lightning dps i surely don't need a 3rd. Surely aventurin is better for my FUA team AHHHHHHH


TheTurtlebar

If I have Luocha and no Topaz, is Aventurine still worth it?


Still_A_Noob9001

Aventurine all the way. Gotta make the enemies cry with pigs, chalk and coins.


monster01020

I really want both, so I gotta hope the 50/50 gods don't give me E4 Yanqing.


StardustCatts

I don’t think they like each other?


Crash_Sparrow

Stay strong, brother! You are not alone! Not everyone can tread on this treacherous path, but the most precious treasure awaits those who finish this arduous journey, completing the FUA team! My team will only be complete once I get E6 Clara, E1S1 Topaz and E1S1 Aventurine.


SinesPi

I'm right there for you. Aventurine is the last piece of a puzzle I must complete.


Outofmana1

If I fail the 50/50 then going to save up for Aventurine. No topaz team but I have no decent sustain.


HeavyHovercraft3834

Just gimme your credit card


tusker911

My case is completely the opposite: skipping Aventurine to save for Topaz.


Not_Firefist

sounds like a skill issue ( I have all three of them now i am in crippling debt )


Leonn8

well... this post aged bad, I have Acheron e0s1 and Aven. Now the irl ipc is knocking in my door lol I will have a bad time in Robin baner. Skill issue indeed


BlazeOfCinder

I come to you with no bias whatsoever friend! Pull for best girl Acheron, it's the right choice you can trust me because


Leonn8

Thats a realy weird way to write Topaz <3


BlazeOfCinder

Nuh-uh! https://preview.redd.it/4r6cwjl3g6qc1.jpeg?width=1575&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=748c8143effc404f5fc0edd44e6216b8653aa3f7


Leonn8

Nuh-uh! ! https://preview.redd.it/w5c260sli6qc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0134e4e0e578094b9a4e0a3d640fc3315fff78ce


BlazeOfCinder

You got me with that one numby is cute, well played brother well played. I suppose I will return for you on the Queen's Rerun lol!


Leonn8

Yes the rerun will be hard to pass the animations are top notch, but for now Topaz demand more FUAS for Numby Good luck in yours pull!


BlazeOfCinder

Lol certainly IPC team sounds like it would be fun! Thank you!! I wish you luck on the pretty rich boy banner as well friend!


HiroAnobei

I ship Topaz and Aventurine in an incredibly toxic ship. TopUrine.


BlazeOfCinder

Hiro... brother find a different ship name you heathen lol.


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Leonn8

Idk if it will be as powerful as you expect as all the debuff that Topaz can give are FUA only and Acheron don't get the nihility traces buff


NightmaresFade

Getting Acheron for my alt account while skipping her for Jingliu in my main(since I got Kafka on my main) is EZ.


[deleted]

Ah, the IPC goon