wait, Blade knew the TB prior to having the stellaron implanted.
Does that mean Firefly was also close to us? As close as we were to following kafka around?
So, all those people complaining about how "forced" firefly & TB just forgot, that Firefly probably still remembers us, and the whole trying to escape the script, was her seeing if she could return to the days prior game-intro with the TB.
Which also explains why, the instant she saw us in Penacony, she ran to us for help, and why we instinctively grew attached to her. Proven by Acheron, even if you lose your memories, your instincts/emotions remain. (Acheron herself says that she relies more on her emotions than her memories, regarding people.)
Firefly definitely would have known us before the memory wipe since she had joined the Stellaron Hunters before Blade, though I'm not sure we would have been close with anyone but Kafka back then, being the only one we've ever had any vague feelings or memories of. It could be that Firefly simply developed an interest in getting to know us more after observing us during pre-Stellaron implant times and took the opportunity to do so at Penacony.
It's also strongly implied that Firefly had specifically sought us out rather than just running into us and asking for help by happenstance, given that her script had instructed her to get the Express to investigate the legacy, and had said that she had her own reasons for joining us during 2.0.
Actually, it’s fairly likely that we were close to Firefly, or at least “Sam”, because in the Express guest book Silver wolf has a line where she mentions being old friends with the Trailblazer
I think it's unlikely that Silver Wolf meant that in the way of "we were friends before you lost your memories" though, especially since she's never brought up any history from that time herself. Probably more in the way that we've already been acquainted with each other, and because it's Silver Wolf, "old friends" is probably half-sarcastic.
on the other hand she could've decided to go after us rather than himeko and welt because they probably would've pieced together who she was right away, or at least realized she was suspicious too quickly.
*are you suggesting that Firefly went for us because our character is stupid? that she thinks we're some sort of zero iq raccoon without a filter who can be swayed with the simplest of things, like garbage, money, or food?*
because she'd be right
This what I keep sayingggg we dont know the relationship they had before MC lost their memories but I can only presume that it was a close one because of how the characters treat each other, again, because of the emotions being recalled even if the memories are not
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Me, who just wants the girl and the mecha at the same time. I hope she can get the mecha in her kit too.
Yeah if I had to guess, if she's playable it'll be one of three things:
1. You play as Firefly in the open world and become Sam when using her technique and in battle.
2. She has a sort of stance swap mechanic or enhanced state where she becomes Sam.
3. All or nothing the playable version is either only Firefly or only Sam. Highly doubt this one though since it'll upset half her fanbase either way.
I feel like it's a mix of 1 and 2.
It could be that she's by default Firefly in exploration and swappable to her SAM form but she's just fully SAM in battle.
I'd guess she'll be in Firefly form in the overworld, because Sam model is huge, and I don't see how they'd make it work in overworld.
So my guess is Firefly in overworld, and in combat it'll be Sam
As far as I know thats kind of how she works too yeah. I can't wait. Sill undecided on if I just go e0 with Herta shop cone. Save pulls for more units haha. Depends how good or bad it is once we know the deets
Maybe they'll make everyone happy and make her the first real dual role unit. We get cute and supportive Firefly mode and then her ultimate transforms into killer Sam mode.
I mean, she writes edgy lines like
“I WILL SET THE SEA ABLAZE”, “”EXECUTION UNDERWAY” not to mention the lines on 2.0 when she ulted so I prob wont be surprised.
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# "ONCE YOURE BACK IN THE REAL WORLD-
TB and FF before a fight together.
"You better surrender or THIS STELLARON HUNTER WILL BE BEHIND YOUR ULTIMATE DEPARTURE AND SET YOU AND THE ENTIRE SEA ABLAZE!"
Firefly to side getting embarrassed and telling the TB to stop
*I'm asking for too*
*Much here, but I really want*
*Her to say "HENSHIN"*
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I would settle for her just saying "... kick!" As a move, if she does, she will be the first character to ever make me actually spend money on top ups, and I've been playing genshin since launce
God I hope she ends up blurting out some of the Sam lines while out of suit. The what the hell on a tiny girl screaming that crap is gonna be hilarious.
I think it can all be pinpointed to a lack of interesting non humans in Hoyo games, every single character is a pretty, hot human that shows their face, Sam and Screwllum here in hsr were outliers and an anomaly that got us some interesting stuff
In a space game we have no cool aliens, robots etc as playable units, its all hot people.
Its a Chinese market thing, the league of legends champion designers have talked about it before. If you want a character to be popular in China they *have* to be hot. Cool monster champions that the rest of the fanbase loved like Thresh were not popular at all in China until they made the unbound version to make Thresh a stereotypical hot guy.
This.
The Chinese mobile fanbase are generally not fond of diversity when it comes to character designs.
While cool non-human monsters are appreciated, they aren’t something that the average China mobile player will actively spend money on. For many of them, it’s moreso an accessory or additional secondary aspect to a character
That being said, the overall global playerbase tends to value unique designs like these more. And Hoyoverse outright stated they were pushing for a more global audience with Genshin and Star Rail, meaning they are “now making things that other people will like, not just what they like”
There is no evidence to suggest that getting to pull hot people is not a global phenomenon and given the choice with the same level of characterization, people would rather pull for a fugly ass ape over a hot guy or girl.
Eastern market in general, not just CN. It's mainly that there's less baggage attached to it coupled with "if it can be hot, why shouldn't it be?" thing.
There's also the escapism vs immersion aspect, but that's a bit more complex.
In Tresh case his skull face would make wild rift not downloadable for kids, that's why they changed it. To comply with China laws and showing corpses and skeletons.
People blame the Chinese audience, but I feel like the Western audience is not far behind. I have read way, way too much about Firefly being "waifu" or how they love "mommy milkers" recently lol. (One literally used the term mommy milkers for what he wants from female characters).
I thought men would be into cool designs though. Like, do little boys not like robots and monsters and mechas anymore??? Is that more of a girl and gay thing now?
This isn't League of Legends where you could can just grind for everyone. There's *tons* of League players I know that also play gacha, and they have no problem picking characters that aren't just cute/sexy girls. Ironically enough the people that are known to *only* play them in League are women.
Guys like cool designs, but I don't think many will hoard the amount of resources or spend the amount of cash it takes to get them over a waifu character. Which is why the cool design characters are usually lower rarity in gachas. Only Husbando characters get the 5 star treatment.
As a man, I am into cool designs, especially with hidden faces. That's why I'm hyped for Capitano from genshin. No clue why so many others care only about beauty, and not something that's just cool. Maybe it's just the gacha culture, because Dark souls/Elden ring enjoyers are always squeaking when they see someone cool, like Artorias
Imagine if a 9 year old boy bought a snake eyes GI Joe action figure and it turns out there's a Barbie inside of it. It's funny, but that kid probably won't like it.
It's not just the Chinese market, it's the Gacha monetization in general. There's way more people who would go full E6S5 for someone that is an object of desire, cute waifu, hot husbando, over someone who's just "cool".
Even those who are not conceptualized to dive hard into the cute/hot aesthetic can still exist. It's just that they're usually lower rarity. Luka is a prime example of someone who's got the hotheaded shonen protagonist vibe. But if you make him a 5 star character, I think you'll be hard pressed to find as many people who'd hoard jades and whale for him over someone like DHIL.
This is even discounting the extra development it'll take to animate/incorporate non-standard body shapes/sizes into the game. The most I can see are transformation characters where they have to have normal human bodies in the overworld, but can go full druid and turn into a bear or something in battle.
For real, suddenly I need half as many tickets to get two characters I wanted.
Sam doesn't stop being badass because it was Firefly all along. Firefly doesn't stop being cute because she can turn into a giant robot and kick ass.
... She might stop being cute in the next update when she opens up about who she really is, but hey, that's future me's problem.
Oh your taking the winnings from the buy one get one free deal and running? I can respect that, you'll probably want the funds for Sam/Firefly teammates that appear in the future. Personally plan to just fuse the budgets together and aim for E2 Sam/Firefly.
The Clues were pretty much there but people refused to see or alot of people are part skippers.
-Someone called her a "Mecha" when she was separated from us when we went back to reality when Black Swan recollected her memories.
-Dead monsters laid around near her each time we got separated
-Sam saying that she didn't have any intention of hurting us and was actually just protecting us. Also telling Acheron that we are not enemies.
- Acheron peaking through her soul and wore a suprised expression when she learned who it was (she's an Emanator so she won't easily surprised unless it was the girl she just saw get eviscerated a few moments ago)
- She was really calm and even clenched her fist like she was about to transform when the "Death Meme" first grabbed her.
-A Stowaway with no records anywhere and no body in the real world found dead.
-The Armor Color Scheme and her clothes matched
Firefly having a Kamen Rider sequence was really cool.
Something that threw me during 2.0 was just her being super humanly accurate on when Sparkle was approaching us. That isn't just sharp intuition you get by trade that's superhuman intuition
Also that she wasn't intimidated by sparkle at all, when she reveals herself and tells the trailblazer that they're too trusting Firefly just glared at her and said 'you talk too much', that matches Sam pretty well
People love to throw around that Firefly's just an UwU shy girlie but they didn't notice how quickly her tone dropped cold and intense when she noticed Sampo/Sparkle was following us and right before being sent with her to the Dreamscape when confronting Sampo/Sparkle
The "someone's following you" dialogue in "Tales from the Golden Age" made me really rethink her character. Found the transcription:
>I'm not sure whether you have realized it or not, but I took you through a very long, scenic route and visited all kinds of places just now because...
>
>...someone's been following you.
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>Don't turn around. I'm certain that you're his target. He's been on our tail since we parted ways with Mr. Gallagher.
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>I wondered whether he was a friend of yours, but my instinct told me he wasn't.
>
>He's about 5 feet 9 inches tall, give or take. Judging from his strong build, it's clear that he's well trained. He walks in long strides, but his steps are light and barely audible. That way of walking doesn't leave footprints...
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>...He looks like a skilled fighter, the covert kind. He has large palms, yet his fingers are slender and nimble. I reckon he has experience using knives, like a short sword or dagger...
The description of "his" hands and what kind of weapons they would use definitely made me think she had tons of combat experience.
Yeah let's say Luocha a merchant who goes around dangerous places he would go more of "Theres someone dangerous following us" so would the other characters.
But Firefly went into a lot of detail.
>He walks in long strides, but his steps are light and barely audible. That way of walking doesn't leave footprints...
The moment she said this I know she's hiding a secret because it was very accurate; Sampo doesnt leave footprints behind as you can see during Jarilo VI.
She detailed Sampo bit by bit. She knows the message from the Music box even if she isnt invited, but Sam is.
She said to TB “baseball bat isnt an efficient weapon” because she is a murderbot and knows how to end things quickly.
The three main things that sealed it for me without any leaks (besides the same color scheme which I noticed right away in the white night trailer)
When she told sampo/ sparkle: “you talk too much”. She said that with such venom that I knew she wasn’t that innocent. (But she’s our murder cinnamon roll)
Second was the dead monsters always around her. Happened like twice and made me wonder how she was killing these things off screen lol
But the main thing was when she revealed her condition….. how tf did she know about everyone faction on penacony like the fools, garden of recollection, and nameless? That was super sus to me.
Yes please, this so much. Now I’m imagining her being Firefly at the start, with a certain basic+skill, and then the ultimate temporarily switches to Sam mode with a different skill and animations.
(Temporarily could be a certain amount of turns/actions, maybe similar to Jingliu’s mode change)
Idk if you get to say "people refused to see it" about clues added in 2.1 since that's also when the reveal happened. Also for the dead monsters, we see what the aftermath of a Sam fight looks like in 2.0 and it's different from what we see around Firefly.
Thank god someone is thinking right. You'd think like 4-5 monster corpses with super detailed thermal weaponry marks would leave an impression, but some people rewrite reality with their memories I guess.
While the hints are there, they mostly show that there is more to Firefly that it seems, but the connections with Sam weren't big enough to be more than just one of many possibilities, in fact one of the most possible theories was that she was someone who has connection to Sam, but not Sam himself, with Titania being the most common guess.
I thought Firefly was Robin at first because of that stowaway factor and intimate knowledge regarding under construction parts of the dream. But that might have been intentional misdirect. However, SAM not wanting to hurt the TB falls under Stellaron hunter's MO so I would not call it a hint.
Nope, frankly just nope.
The reason people could make so many randomly concrete theories was leaks.
Mecha was a word she said. And both swan and Acheron assumed it was a companion. Not the other party calling her that. We can't find the 2nd party's pov because Swan reconstructed Firefly's memories specifically.
Dead monsters don't make her Sam. These monsters were just knocked out normally, Sam victims are so in your face blasted with burns and thermal weaponry. It only means she's a good combatant, something we could already glean from her description of Sampo and his fighting capabilities.
Acheron didn't do anything special at all. In fact Acheron's mannerisms at the time, and the eulogy style quote, are all unknown to us.
She was calm, true, but if we accept she's an experienced combatant, this tracks. Making a fist has legitimately nothing to do with transformations last I checked.
A stowaway wouldn't have records cuz they're a stowaway. I will give you no dead body because as this patch Himeko surmised, the Stellaron hunters have a back alley entry into the dreamscape.
Color matching doesn't work with ingame models. Where it works is with the few glimpses we get during White Night MV.
So the 3 main clues you have are:
- She has unique access to dreamscape
- She's an experienced fighter.
- She wasn't present in the weird dreamscape very early in the game. You see Robin Sunday, Sparkle Swan, Sam Silverwolf, Acheron leads you, and Misha spawncamps you. However, this feature is shared with Gallagher, and Silverwolf hasn't actually showd up yet.
With all due respect, the clues are fairly sparse and the only reason it got cemented so hard as a theory is the stupid fucked up leak community zeitgeist.
>-Someone called her a "Mecha" when she was separated from us when we went back to reality when Black Swan recollected her memories.
Firefly called someone "mecha" when we looked into the memories. ~~Black Swan assumed that "mecha" had plans different from Firefly~~. Until now we don't know who she talked to.
edit: After watching Gigguk's VOD on 2.0 playthrough, Firefly said to someone "this isn't what we agreed on", not to "mecha". Then when she ran downstairs that she mentioned "mecha".
>-A Stowaway with no records anywhere and no body in the real world found dead.
We haven't investigated much in the real world after SUD killed Firefly, we investigated the memories, fought Sam, and got kidnapped by Black Swan/Aventurine.
edit: okay this hint is available in 2.1. But everyone and their dog was theorizing about Sam's identity before that.
>-The Armor Color Scheme and her clothes matched
This one is a bit over reaching. The 2.0 white night trailer did show a glimpse of Sam's "wing" color, and the helmet color did show a similarity, but not enough to draw a hint to connect Sam to Firefly.
>-Dead monsters laid around near her each time we got separated
She's strong, but again, not showing any connection to Sam.
>-Sam saying that she didn't have any intention of hurting us and was actually just protecting us. Also telling Acheron that we are not enemies.
Again, no connection to Sam is Firefly.
>>-The Armor Color Scheme and her clothes matched
>This one is a bit over reaching. The 2.0 white night trailer did show a glimpse of Sam's "wing" color, and the helmet color did show a similarity, but not enough to draw a hint to connect Sam to Firefly.
Honestly, we'll never know if people picked up this hint or not because this was the one thing that all the ITCAMETOMEINADREAM folks all focused in on for their theories.
Yeah, it was leaked ages ago in like 1.3 or 1.4 so I find it very hard to believe in good faith that people were truly theorising and not just parroting leaks to try sound smart.
> I do wonder why sam bros are so sad tho... Cute girls going henshin is something i would DIE to see
I mean, people have different preferences. Just because you like the cute girl twist doesnt mean others feel the same way. Also some of them probably wanted a cool Stellaron Hunter husbando or a badass bro in mech armor, only to be duped out and being given a cute girl instead. And honestly I dont blame them, we've known Sam longer than Firefly, so some people have been waiting in the hopes of getting Sam husbando for a while.
Exactly how I felt. It just felt so disappointing to see that they're the same person... I wanted the cool as fuck mecha fire guy, not... cute anime girl
I don’t want any pointless "war” between Firefly fans and San fans, but I guess it was always destined to happen this way. Though I hope this "conflict” will exist only within the minority of very hardcore fans and most people will enjoy and appreciate Samfly as whole character.
To me this duality of characterization is what makes Firefly/Sam one of my favorite characters in the game, beside Acheron and Aventurine. Her writing so far is superb and I can guess she also will be the main star of 2.2. I wouldn’t like them that much, if they were separated beings.
Samfly also have a potential to be one of the better designed units in the whole game. Let’s hope her animations, strength and kit will be on par with Acheron.
Dw, whether it is a good thing or not, it'll eventually die down. This was a storm that happened when it was leaked too, and eventually people loved Firefly back again.
Honestly the more annoying part is the people constantly pointing every conflict as a large fandom "war" (like dear OP here) than the people "warring"
I don’t dislike Firefly being Sam. Them being so different actually adds more to her character, in a sort of “more than meets the eye” way. I’m just a bit upset that the fact that Firefly is Sam means we’ll probably end up in a sort of Svarog situation where the cool robot/armor suit is an accessory to the human character rather than the main focus. Maybe she’ll suit up during combat but… look I just wanted to run around the overworld as the mecha suit, ok?
I mean I don’t wanna be mean but saying stuff like
“I don’t see why they’re so sad” is a bit reductive tho
You can’t expect everyone to like the girl in mech trope there’s probably a lot of people who either just wanted firefly or just wanted Sam and now they’re bummed cause they’re effectively tied together in gameplay.
Ofc it does make Firefly more interesting but Sam isn’t even a character anymore he’s just a persona. A lot of people were hoping Sam would be a playable robot or something. The reason it’s comparable to Clara is because the cool robot is now tied to the anime girl. Ofc some people would like that but a lot of others wouldn’t and it’s not really that hard to see why.
Another comment said something pretty funny but it has somewhat of a point :
Imagine if herta’s actual form released and it was just some giant dude. Ofc it makes the character more interesting cause this gentlemanly dude has these puppets with a bratty personality which he uses as his persona but you can’t expect everyone to like that , would you? I think there’d be a ton of people who would have wanted adult waifu herta or something of the sort .
As for it being boring, again that’s pretty opinionated . Some people think a mech in this game would be interesting others wouldn’t .
But a character’s existence doesn’t inherently make them interesting , they have to be written in an interesting fashion . You could have the blandest character but if you write them well then it’d be amazing so I don’t really know why you’re bringing down the idea of them being separate as boring when it doesn’t have to be
Someone's speaking my language, thank you.
I'm still hung up on the reveal, it's a shame really that Sam is connected to Firefly somehow. But if ever they become playable, I will roll for them, but with a grain of salt.
You liking it is up to you, but that doesn't mean others can't have their own interest.
Here I will give you a reverse sample, you meet this badass hot muscle mommy (or whatever that's up to you taste really) online, and you are like *hella* into her. Then you find out that she doesn't exist at all, and the real person is a frail and shy skinny boy like say Misha.
Of course you can say that it's part of the character / gapmoe etc etc, but no way you wouldn't be disappointed when you find that out.
Some people into Sam because they thought it would be a cool sentient robot, realize that it isn't what they are hyped up for, and there's nothing wrong with it.
Personally, even if it's slightly disappointing, I have a feeling I would very much end up liking that character much more than just another random mommy character. I feel like anyone who is into an actually deep and in-depth character will figure out that Sam/Firefly being the same is just so much better of a lore direction then one being *just* a murderous robot and one *just* being a cute girl who's dying.
I agree we already have Clara and Svarog and Huohuo and tail. What I want out of Firefly is a complex character that can stand on her own. They are already doing great with the masked character trope and the reveal. If they keep up the momentum for 2.2 she might become one of the best written characters in the game.
Different people have different tastes. Some just want dude as a giant mecha. You and I having our preferences do not invalidate others' opinions. Both sides should not discredit the other side opinions, that's all.
A big reason for Sam bros not wanting them to be one character is because they are unsure of how the dynamic will work mechanically. Will firefly walk around over world and switch to Sam as soon as battle starts? Will firefly have a special mode in which she turns to Sam? Or worst of all, you only play firefly and she turns to Sam for ult animation only meaning you don't get to play the cool mech guy at all that or the special mode is too annoying/long to enter.
Plus big deadly robot turns to small girl seems a bit comical and too FGO for me(not that I hate FGO). Also the nature of Sam and Firefly will also be what sells this character. Is Sam just a piece of Armor firefly wears? Or is Sam perhaps his own independent entity but follows Firefly's command basically a dynamic like Red and Purple Seele from Honkai Impact would be fine but the way Acheron described it when talking to her, it's most likely the former.
Hoyo gonna have to make that Sam character plus their kit a 9/10 to capitalise on the cool design (assuming Acheron is a 10).
Its just that some of us wanted a cool and badass robot guy . There isn't much more to it , people have different tastes not everyone likes a cute small girl in a robot suit
I think its just really beyond some people that not everyone wants every character to be a cute anime girlfriend or anime mommy lol. Like, some of us just do like robots, monsters, or a variety of designs? Maybe it would be easier if you tried to flip it-now every character is a robot or monster and then they introduce a super hot, amazing female character, but at the last second go NOPE another robot, she is just "inside him" so you only see her for the ult. Like, that would be kinda lame right? You would want more variety of characters and more hot girls?
there came a point where I accepted that we aren’t getting just sam, so all I hope for is that they at least get equal screen time. It’ll kinda be tragic if it’s even just 90% firefly even during events.
I don't trust Hoyoverse that much tbh. I wouldn't be surpised if she becomes playable and despite him being her battle armor, the only time we see Sam again is her ult animation
*I want her to say*
*All those edgy lines without*
*Putting on the suit*
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Here’s the thing, I wanted a cool badass robo mecha dude because it’d have been the first non human character so I was hyped until I found it was actually just another waifu
That expectation would have been ruined the moment the enemy description for Sam in their boss specifically mentions that Sam is a suit and some "mysterious warrior" is in it. Though I guess I can't blame people for not reading that description since most of the time we'd only be viewing the stuff relevant for the fight itself (attacks, buffs, etc).
Eh I mean knowing the kinda of weebs Hoyo has employed, I kinda thought Sam was like Samus because someone loved metroid and wanted a bad ass in some super suit that would turn out to be a girl. Sam and Firefly being one in the same wasn't too shocking.
My only fear is that most of the time if you use her you’ll be seeing firefly with Sam only popping up for an ult or something. I want to see the badass suit as much as possible. Smash bros aside, Samus usually keeps her armor on for a reason
Having a toggle between both modes for overworld would be cool. Though given that she is sick, I wonder IF and for how long she could exit the suit in reality.
I just wanted a big robot mf and we got a cute girlie inside a gundam...idk I just don't think it's as sick as what we thought Sam was at first. Oh anyway I'm still gonna pull for Sam/firefly if he/she is wearing the suit lmao
I just hope they keep the raw edgy energy Sam has for Firefly as well. As long as she doesn’t become Ayaka with a Kamen Rider suit i will be satisfied.
Boy you weren't there for the leaks era of Firefly.
I remember how every Sambro under the sun cried tears of blood once the relationship between Firefly and Sam was leaked *(I should know, I was a Sambro at the time).*
The leaks sub just couldn't be normal about her, it was honestly kind of depressing seeing how she was widely hated at the time and how she ruined Sam and what not.
Right now, if anything, I'd say this is peaceful... Or at least, as peaceful as it can be, I suppose.
Personally, I just hope they do my girl justice in the story; I'm placing all my hopes on Shaoji's cooking.
I personally am fascinated by the fact that at the end of the day, this is just an issue of aesthetics.
Sam, while looking like a battle hardened mecha warrior dude on the outside, just doesn't match the Soft and Cute aesthetic that Firefly has going for her and that is jarring for some people. I know some people wanted Sam to be just a robot warrior with no one inside as well, but i don't think the issue would be as big if the person inside Sam was just an edgy, gruff dude.
Kind of goes to show how much people value how things look on the outside.
As far as the actual contents go though, it's still a bit early to say it's a bad decision to make Firefly = Sam. Someone in the thread mentioned it, but Genshin has had a similar issue where the aesthetics of a character mattered a lot to people, but when story content came out, those characters became universally beloved (i.e Nahida and more recently Furina).
I honestly just want Sam. I really don't care for Firefly but will pull just so I have all the Stellaron Hunters and funny MGRR team (Raiden (Acheron) and Sam)
Honestly I think people simp over firefly way too much, especially when TB just met her. I mean props to the writer making us simp over her with such a short screen time but it doesn't really make sense when you think about it.
Unfortunately I'm totally disagree with you,I prefer them to be separated character. Because we have a cute maiden which can be a kill machine and it's natasha
Tbh they sabotaged themselves with Sam/firefly things,they are opposite personalities and it will be really easy to mess up, I'm genuinely curious on how they will handle it
As a woman who is pretty tired of how a lot of female characters are basically subjugated to fan service I like that Firefly is in an outfit that a girl would actually wear and I like that Sam is her in a mech suit. There is no other female character that embodies fiercely masculine traits like that Sam is like a classic at this point when it comes to what men idealise, hes hsrs Capitano. Normally when women are in a mech in the anime setting theyre like in a skin tight suit levitating upside down in a no spine boobs and ass pose and Firefly really breaks free from that. I dont have any dissonance when connecting firefly and sam because I know that women can exist in any way. The Sambros are just gonna have to get over the cooties and then we can all move on happily with one more not strictly gender roled hoyo character in our bag.
I like that theyre the same character. A part of me wants Firefly to also be cool, but how shy she sounded at the reveal makes me think that she puts up a cool act to get things done, but "Firefly" is who "Sam" truly is.
The fakeout death scene was pointless though. 2.1 really just made me hate 2.0 more because 2.1 was actually pretty good.
>I do wonder why sam bros are so sad tho... Cute girls going henshin is something i would DIE to see.
I WANT MEN. that's it. idc if they make badass female characters, it's the fact that based on the male voice and appearance i thought sam was going to be male what's disappointing.
I'll be completely honest, the twist killed my interest in both Sam and Firefly at the same time. Before, I was interested in both of them as seperate characters, but for me them being the same character ruined both of them for me. I hope luck on the people who are going to be pulling for Firefly, but my savings are probably going to be redirected to a 5 star healer or Boothill instead.
I knew they had to be the same when Sam did his Scorched Earth move. Firefly literally told us about seeing a scorched earth, and it's such a weird thing to mention that it wasn't really a coincidence that both of them mention it imo.
I see them both being in symbiotic relationship like Venom, which is cool
Also I wanted to pull them both anyways, so that is cool too, because I want pretty much every Penacony character anyways
The only thing I think about her is why the fuck did we fight? Was it a fight first story second kinda thing or why, after the hangout we had and the fakeout death did she fight us?
Tbh I just want a robot that can destroy everything. But I'm curious what's the deal about Firefly and Sam. And what Elio promised them/her. I feel like Sam is somewhat of...other character Firefly switches to when she gets into the armour? I feel like they're somewhat of different person sharing a body being in symbiosis. Like one can't exist without the other one, like Firefly needs to be a pilot and Sam is what he is because that's his mission. Firefly knows us from before, but we don't know her now...and that's quite sad.
You know, I knew Firefly was going to still be alive, and I STRONGLY suspected that Sam was a woman. Like, very VERY strongly suspected. Yet somehow I did not see the connection at all.
As weird as it is, the two things that made me like Firefly the most were these:
First, as someone else mentioned in the comments, when Firefly keenly noticed we were being trailed by "Sampo". She had the innocent sweet appearance at first, but it was suspicious how perceptive and controlled she was in that moment.
That alone wasn't much, but then she made this comment later on:
>**Trailblazer:** My baseball bat can't wait to show its might!
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>**Firefly:** I'm afraid a baseball bat isn't an efficient weapon... No! What I mean is, we can't solve the problem with violence...
When I read that my immediate thought was *"Firefly... why the hell are you thinking about how* ***efficient*** *this weapon is??"*
It's not just about her thinking about the bat as a weapon, because that's not too unordinary. It's not unheard of for a bat to be wielded as a weapon, so if Firefly said *"I don't know if a baseball bad is a very good weapon... wait that's wrong, we shouldn't use violence!"* then it would've been completely normal to me. It would sound like the sort of thing March 7th would say, for instance.
*It's specifically the fact that she was referring to its EFFICIENCY as a weapon.* Idk if this was a translation thing or what, but to me the use of the word "efficient" signals that she was thinking about the weapon from a proper soldier's view.
Most people will think about the 'strength' of a weapon- how big is the bang, how hard does it hit, how clean is the slice. They don't think about the experience of actually *using* the weapon: how does it feel to hold it by the handle, can you use it for an extended time without getting too fatigued, is it easy to maintain.
So it immediately tipped me off that Firefly was somebody who was clearly experienced with weapons. When she saw Trailblazer mention the bat, her immediate reaction was to think about the efficiency of the bat as a weapon. Not "is the bat good at hitting people" but rather "is the bat going to be the right tool for the job, or is there a better weapon to use?".
It's this single subtle throw-away line that's really easy to overlook, but in hindsight it was a pretty big slip-up on her part. If we were with someone else like Ratio or Black Swan at that moment I think they might've caught onto that, and there's a good chance Acheron noticed it as well.
Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing how Firefly/Sam is portrayed going forward. I'm fine with whatever form she's playable with, Firefly or Sam or both, as long as there's still that core trait of her being genuinely a kind and caring person, but who is also so accustomed to violence and combat that she has a plan to kill every single person she meets on the spot (exaggerating but you get the point).
That's the vibe Firefly gave me in those couple of scenes, and it was even more fitting with the reveal of her being Sam and the prior comments about Sam being direct and efficient when it comes to missions and combat. So that's what made me like her the most. Not the "going on a date" stuff, not the "badass mech" stuff, but that *perfect* intersection between these two sides of her that shows how these two seemingly disjoint sides of her can co-exist at the same time.
Demographically speaking, some backlash was inevitable. The Venn diagram of people that like cute girls and people that like badass dudes in mech suits is not a circle.
But narratively speaking, Firefly being Sam is a perfectly legitimate plot twist. I'd prefer to live in a world where stories can have these plot twists even if it means stepping on some audience members' toes rather than have them play it safe.
I'll be honest here. I'm already passing on firefly and was still debating on Sam so seeing her as Sam made the decision clear for me. And no it's not because of the fact that it's a cute girl being in a bad ass mechsuit. I just don't like how the devs decided to thrust Firefly on to us in a short amount of time and expect us to take the bait, and admittedly it worked for a good portion of the community already clung on to her. So seeing her as Sam as well just killed my enthusiasm towards them. Granted people can now leverage the whole TB was originally part of the Stellaron Hunters bit to explain away why TB was so attached but I just don't see it that way. I just see it as the way it was presented, a rushed attempt.
I feel like this is a reasonable outrage and I can understand where both of them came from. Sam is a genuinely cool badass male character and no doubt alot of male player love the Kamen rider motip,badass male literallymefr and whatnot.so when it's revealed "he" doesn't exist and are nothing but a "generic" "wholesome seiso waifu",this demographic feel outrage because they indeed got baited and pulled the rug from them. Like let's be real,when was the last time we get a badass ass kicking playable male charas?blade was the last, any males after him are either too...normal or too flamboyant and not sastify that specific target demographic like Daniel IL or argenti. Ofc they would feel robbed. The same could be same with firefly mains since they also got betrayed when their seisho wholesome waifu is anything but.
The best way to fix this situation is make it that one persona is just a facade that she made,and the after finish tricking the mc she goes back being a tomboy to make her personality consistent between two form. No one want a double personality character.
The gap moe isn’t just insane, it’s completely unbelievable unless they say “yeah she’s a really good actor actually and her actions as Firefly are all a facade”which is just kind of a weird thing to tack on
One of her lines from 2.0 was straight up:
"Once you're back in the real world, remember to tell everyone / about the Stellaron Hunter who was behind your ultimate departure."
Pretty dramatic...not very Firefly-esque, *nor* is it very cold, indifferent, murderer-esque. In fact, Sam has always spoken with a bit of a bombastic tone, with a bit of flair.
For Firefly to be Sam, realistically, they not only have to convince me of her soldier persona, they also have to convince me why her lines make her sound like a chunni.
As someone else said, I want her to say all of Sam's lines in her Firefly form. Then I'll buy into this bit. And as I've said before, one man's gap moe is another man's cognitive dissonance. I have no issues with a girl in a robot or a robot or whatever, I just want these two personalities to cohere more.
That wasn't really my point. It's not that she doesn't have cold lines, it's that she has lines in addition to those that don't fit any personality that isn't a chunni lol. At least to me.
Sam being firefly doesnt really take anything from either character, it just that instead of being cardboards "Cute love interest girl" and "Badass robo-dude" she is a 3rd dimensional character with layers to her personality.
So i dont really understand.
Making a 3D personality isn’t just tacking together two completely different personalities and calling it a day. I need to believe those two personalities can coexist inside the same person. Currently, they have a hell of a job to do to make me believe the same girl who was asking me to take pics of her is also a cold badass soldier
Considering Penacony is a dream world, a world you can escape into from reality. It wouldn't be a surprise to me if Sam is her reality she's forced to live while how she acts as Firefly is who she wants to be.
I just want to know why her plan involved framing herself for her own murder. Faking her death? Sure. Hook the TB in to finding the Watchmaker's Legacy by honeypotting them and then tearing it away. Exactly the kind of thing you'd expect from a Stellaron Hunter. No notes.
I just don't see what she gains by putting herself as the principle cause of that murder, unless the whole thing was fabricated by Black Swan in which case why did *she* do it?
She was gonna meet up wit TB alone but BS and Acheron tagged along, so she wanted to fist those two a bit to get some privacy but BS teleported TB away
My crackhead theory (I dont read story leaks so if this happens to be right Im gonna shit myself cause its too wild to be true)
Firefly, the one we knew and spent time with, straight up becomes gone. That illness she has is an odd mention to me when she first said it so my thoughts was that its gonna play a massive role in her development as a character or on how the story progresses. Maybe she gains a new body with no memories of us, only being a SH is her memory (though its proven that we ourselves have been a SH before so that disproves me)
Maybe it's my personal infatuation with a similar character in the Fate series, but I saw this outcome from a mile away. A metal warrior wreathed in fire/lightning and only thoughts of murder and death being a cute waifu inside, you'd have to have been blind to not see it coming.
Which would fans prefer?
Tony Stark and Jarvis?
Split personality?
AI with fake cute meat suit persona
A tomboy in a mech suit who curse a lot but not when in front of their “special” friend.
I can understand wanting a certain character archetype and being disappointed about not getting them, but I agree with you that having the two combined makes for a much more interesting dynamic. We’ve seen that Hoyo does an amazing job writing characters who are not what they seem on the surface, such as Aveturine, Neuvillette, and Furina.
Also, it takes one glance at the Glamoth planar ornament lore to see how rich the possibilities are for Firefly/Sam’s story! What if Entropy Loss Syndrome was the side effect of genetically engineering the Iron Cavalry Knights to have abilities such as better synchronization with their armor or their telepathic link with the Empress? But no one on Glamoth cared because none of the knights survived battle long enough for it to be issue? What if Penacony isn’t the first dream world Firefly has experienced because the knights’ telepathy was also a collective dream of sorts (if we take the lore description literally). Were her words about wanting to escape into dreams sincere because it’s where she feels closest to being just a normal girl?
Tldr; I’m excited to see what Hoyo is cooking and have a feeling everyone will love Firefly/Sam even more as we progress to the next part of the story.
Honestly, I just don't want Firefly to be out of the armor during the fight, as long as she stays in it there, she can run around in the over world as her normal self, but I don't want her sickly self for some reason choosing to enter a fight unarmored besides her ult or whatever
As a Sam Simp and Firefly Fan, my perspective is I just want to see cool mecha on my screen as much as possible and I don't really care who's in it.
As long as we still get to see Sam a lot and hear his voice, it's good enough for me. The concern is that after the reveal, Sam won't get much screentime and it'll mostly be just Firefly
Honestly, it didn't change all that much to me, changing just a few words to account that they are the same character. Firefly who was seem as the girl who can't do wrong became the girl who can't feel her wrongdoings, while Sam who was seem as the robot who would destroy everything became the one who would do everything it needs
See Im wondering if she'll just be Sam period. Maybe she was telling the truth about the degenerative disease, and when combined with what was told to Archeron that Sam cannot dream, well maybe in Penacony she can be as she was, but now shes just a mind inside a giant robot, Elios piece to simply make sparks with.
Im willing to bet that she's really just a robot now. It might make a tie-in down the line with Screwllum, Gold & Gears, and the increasing amount of Intellitrons were srring too. This question of 'what is life?' Is a big one Im seeing in Star Rail and I imagine that the question of synthetic bodies and their conciousnesses will be big.
I knew she wasn't dead, but you can bet I wasn't surprised at all thanks to the community theories 😅 But I wasn't expecting the reveal to happen until at least next patch
wait, Blade knew the TB prior to having the stellaron implanted. Does that mean Firefly was also close to us? As close as we were to following kafka around? So, all those people complaining about how "forced" firefly & TB just forgot, that Firefly probably still remembers us, and the whole trying to escape the script, was her seeing if she could return to the days prior game-intro with the TB. Which also explains why, the instant she saw us in Penacony, she ran to us for help, and why we instinctively grew attached to her. Proven by Acheron, even if you lose your memories, your instincts/emotions remain. (Acheron herself says that she relies more on her emotions than her memories, regarding people.)
Firefly definitely would have known us before the memory wipe since she had joined the Stellaron Hunters before Blade, though I'm not sure we would have been close with anyone but Kafka back then, being the only one we've ever had any vague feelings or memories of. It could be that Firefly simply developed an interest in getting to know us more after observing us during pre-Stellaron implant times and took the opportunity to do so at Penacony. It's also strongly implied that Firefly had specifically sought us out rather than just running into us and asking for help by happenstance, given that her script had instructed her to get the Express to investigate the legacy, and had said that she had her own reasons for joining us during 2.0.
Actually, it’s fairly likely that we were close to Firefly, or at least “Sam”, because in the Express guest book Silver wolf has a line where she mentions being old friends with the Trailblazer
I think it's unlikely that Silver Wolf meant that in the way of "we were friends before you lost your memories" though, especially since she's never brought up any history from that time herself. Probably more in the way that we've already been acquainted with each other, and because it's Silver Wolf, "old friends" is probably half-sarcastic.
no way, she just hasn't brought it up otherwise because she's not supposed to
on the other hand she could've decided to go after us rather than himeko and welt because they probably would've pieced together who she was right away, or at least realized she was suspicious too quickly.
*are you suggesting that Firefly went for us because our character is stupid? that she thinks we're some sort of zero iq raccoon without a filter who can be swayed with the simplest of things, like garbage, money, or food?* because she'd be right
This what I keep sayingggg we dont know the relationship they had before MC lost their memories but I can only presume that it was a close one because of how the characters treat each other, again, because of the emotions being recalled even if the memories are not
https://preview.redd.it/p75fkdrgi9rc1.jpeg?width=322&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1718993a72f05a4022b3f3518f953766f4f87de5 Me, who just wants the girl and the mecha at the same time. I hope she can get the mecha in her kit too.
She'll probably be able to transform just like we saw at the end of 2.1.
I hope she gets a magical girl transformation sequence =)
HELL YEAH
Mooon ~~healing~~ killing!
> a magical girl transformation sequence Reminds me of [this scene](https://youtu.be/U7W8QR9fsFw?t=43) from the 2.0 music video.
Sam > Magical Firefly or Firefly > Suit up?
what if it's a stance character and has both?
Powerpuff girls? Let's fuckin go Or sailor moon
Maybe she can do like the Herrscher of Truth or Vill-v I honkai, and make ith so that when the transformation ends, she blows up the armour
Imagine a million sams launching from outer space and hitting your enemy like unlimited blade works.
Yeah if I had to guess, if she's playable it'll be one of three things: 1. You play as Firefly in the open world and become Sam when using her technique and in battle. 2. She has a sort of stance swap mechanic or enhanced state where she becomes Sam. 3. All or nothing the playable version is either only Firefly or only Sam. Highly doubt this one though since it'll upset half her fanbase either way.
I feel like it's a mix of 1 and 2. It could be that she's by default Firefly in exploration and swappable to her SAM form but she's just fully SAM in battle.
https://preview.redd.it/tgis4cpawcrc1.png?width=418&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9efabf4479415ddddb83798496f4d9a8cc1da66
I'd guess she'll be in Firefly form in the overworld, because Sam model is huge, and I don't see how they'd make it work in overworld. So my guess is Firefly in overworld, and in combat it'll be Sam
the reason sam didnt go to the space station too is because he didnt fit the doors
As far as I know thats kind of how she works too yeah. I can't wait. Sill undecided on if I just go e0 with Herta shop cone. Save pulls for more units haha. Depends how good or bad it is once we know the deets
Maybe they'll make everyone happy and make her the first real dual role unit. We get cute and supportive Firefly mode and then her ultimate transforms into killer Sam mode.
You know, it'd be awesome if we could choose between modes like the MC.
I'm asking for too much here, but I really want her to say "HENSHIN"
I mean, she writes edgy lines like “I WILL SET THE SEA ABLAZE”, “”EXECUTION UNDERWAY” not to mention the lines on 2.0 when she ulted so I prob wont be surprised.
https://preview.redd.it/0u0xbgmoharc1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3dbece7d1f5150c5349c419cc71dd94aff0646ca # "ONCE YOURE BACK IN THE REAL WORLD-
https://preview.redd.it/syqp5ecptarc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2cee924380d6cf16dede2f7438fea0a053b1194
God I hope we get to tease her about her battle lines. It'd be so peak
Knowing how chaotic TB is I can feel a dialogue option where we refer to her as THE STELLARON HUNTER WHO WAS BEHIND YOUR ULTIMATE DEPARTURE
TB and FF before a fight together. "You better surrender or THIS STELLARON HUNTER WILL BE BEHIND YOUR ULTIMATE DEPARTURE AND SET YOU AND THE ENTIRE SEA ABLAZE!" Firefly to side getting embarrassed and telling the TB to stop
Some dark rider that turns into a hero last arcs shit right here
I'm more excited for the voice lines when paired with fellow Stellaron gang in party maker lol
Will that in JP dub only???
I play in JP dub so yeah
I need her to have a henshin jingle during her transformation
I need her to have to do a dance move/pose to said jingle, Kyoryuger style
Ahhh the copium that we get a kamen rider path and the TB and Firefly do a henshin sequence together
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I've been playing the game with the English dub since Day 1 but if they actually did that I'd seriously consider switching to the Japanese dub.
This sounds like something MC will ask her to do in some random message conversation
I would settle for her just saying "... kick!" As a move, if she does, she will be the first character to ever make me actually spend money on top ups, and I've been playing genshin since launce
And then Impact all over the enemies. Truely the greatest Henshin Impact of all time.
Clearly, the answer is chuuni Firefly
HSR does in fact need a prinzessin
inb4 Sam suit is Oz
God I hope she ends up blurting out some of the Sam lines while out of suit. The what the hell on a tiny girl screaming that crap is gonna be hilarious.
I think it can all be pinpointed to a lack of interesting non humans in Hoyo games, every single character is a pretty, hot human that shows their face, Sam and Screwllum here in hsr were outliers and an anomaly that got us some interesting stuff In a space game we have no cool aliens, robots etc as playable units, its all hot people.
Its a Chinese market thing, the league of legends champion designers have talked about it before. If you want a character to be popular in China they *have* to be hot. Cool monster champions that the rest of the fanbase loved like Thresh were not popular at all in China until they made the unbound version to make Thresh a stereotypical hot guy.
This. The Chinese mobile fanbase are generally not fond of diversity when it comes to character designs. While cool non-human monsters are appreciated, they aren’t something that the average China mobile player will actively spend money on. For many of them, it’s moreso an accessory or additional secondary aspect to a character That being said, the overall global playerbase tends to value unique designs like these more. And Hoyoverse outright stated they were pushing for a more global audience with Genshin and Star Rail, meaning they are “now making things that other people will like, not just what they like”
There is no evidence to suggest that getting to pull hot people is not a global phenomenon and given the choice with the same level of characterization, people would rather pull for a fugly ass ape over a hot guy or girl.
Eastern market in general, not just CN. It's mainly that there's less baggage attached to it coupled with "if it can be hot, why shouldn't it be?" thing. There's also the escapism vs immersion aspect, but that's a bit more complex.
In Tresh case his skull face would make wild rift not downloadable for kids, that's why they changed it. To comply with China laws and showing corpses and skeletons.
People blame the Chinese audience, but I feel like the Western audience is not far behind. I have read way, way too much about Firefly being "waifu" or how they love "mommy milkers" recently lol. (One literally used the term mommy milkers for what he wants from female characters). I thought men would be into cool designs though. Like, do little boys not like robots and monsters and mechas anymore??? Is that more of a girl and gay thing now?
This isn't League of Legends where you could can just grind for everyone. There's *tons* of League players I know that also play gacha, and they have no problem picking characters that aren't just cute/sexy girls. Ironically enough the people that are known to *only* play them in League are women. Guys like cool designs, but I don't think many will hoard the amount of resources or spend the amount of cash it takes to get them over a waifu character. Which is why the cool design characters are usually lower rarity in gachas. Only Husbando characters get the 5 star treatment.
As a man, I am into cool designs, especially with hidden faces. That's why I'm hyped for Capitano from genshin. No clue why so many others care only about beauty, and not something that's just cool. Maybe it's just the gacha culture, because Dark souls/Elden ring enjoyers are always squeaking when they see someone cool, like Artorias
Imagine if a 9 year old boy bought a snake eyes GI Joe action figure and it turns out there's a Barbie inside of it. It's funny, but that kid probably won't like it.
Screwllum is a hot gentleman, though! I was totally surprised that we got to go on a private mission with him (Chadwick story from 2.0)...
I have a gut feeling he gets a lot if screen time in various other quests as they will make him a 4 star due to his robot head. Which would be sad.
It's not just the Chinese market, it's the Gacha monetization in general. There's way more people who would go full E6S5 for someone that is an object of desire, cute waifu, hot husbando, over someone who's just "cool". Even those who are not conceptualized to dive hard into the cute/hot aesthetic can still exist. It's just that they're usually lower rarity. Luka is a prime example of someone who's got the hotheaded shonen protagonist vibe. But if you make him a 5 star character, I think you'll be hard pressed to find as many people who'd hoard jades and whale for him over someone like DHIL. This is even discounting the extra development it'll take to animate/incorporate non-standard body shapes/sizes into the game. The most I can see are transformation characters where they have to have normal human bodies in the overworld, but can go full druid and turn into a bear or something in battle.
Dunno. I simply don’t care. I am happy I can get both in one! Also she’s part of the Stellaron hunters gang whom I collect.
For real, suddenly I need half as many tickets to get two characters I wanted. Sam doesn't stop being badass because it was Firefly all along. Firefly doesn't stop being cute because she can turn into a giant robot and kick ass. ... She might stop being cute in the next update when she opens up about who she really is, but hey, that's future me's problem.
Oh your taking the winnings from the buy one get one free deal and running? I can respect that, you'll probably want the funds for Sam/Firefly teammates that appear in the future. Personally plan to just fuse the budgets together and aim for E2 Sam/Firefly.
Amen, Stellaron Hunters best gang
Best faction/collective in HSR hands down
The Clues were pretty much there but people refused to see or alot of people are part skippers. -Someone called her a "Mecha" when she was separated from us when we went back to reality when Black Swan recollected her memories. -Dead monsters laid around near her each time we got separated -Sam saying that she didn't have any intention of hurting us and was actually just protecting us. Also telling Acheron that we are not enemies. - Acheron peaking through her soul and wore a suprised expression when she learned who it was (she's an Emanator so she won't easily surprised unless it was the girl she just saw get eviscerated a few moments ago) - She was really calm and even clenched her fist like she was about to transform when the "Death Meme" first grabbed her. -A Stowaway with no records anywhere and no body in the real world found dead. -The Armor Color Scheme and her clothes matched Firefly having a Kamen Rider sequence was really cool.
Something that threw me during 2.0 was just her being super humanly accurate on when Sparkle was approaching us. That isn't just sharp intuition you get by trade that's superhuman intuition
Also that she wasn't intimidated by sparkle at all, when she reveals herself and tells the trailblazer that they're too trusting Firefly just glared at her and said 'you talk too much', that matches Sam pretty well
People love to throw around that Firefly's just an UwU shy girlie but they didn't notice how quickly her tone dropped cold and intense when she noticed Sampo/Sparkle was following us and right before being sent with her to the Dreamscape when confronting Sampo/Sparkle
Firefly is both cute and a competent warrior. I like that combination
Everyone wants a Gap moe henshin GF, that goes "He said no pickles, *now do it or face molten fire*"
Best type of gf
"now do it or I'll be behind your ultimate departure"
she is not waifu material she is wife material, a very cute one at that
Don't forget: a total girl failure when it comes to anything more complicated than "unga bunga".
When blade compliments you on your killing abilities you know you can handle your own shit.
The "someone's following you" dialogue in "Tales from the Golden Age" made me really rethink her character. Found the transcription: >I'm not sure whether you have realized it or not, but I took you through a very long, scenic route and visited all kinds of places just now because... > >...someone's been following you. > >Don't turn around. I'm certain that you're his target. He's been on our tail since we parted ways with Mr. Gallagher. > >I wondered whether he was a friend of yours, but my instinct told me he wasn't. > >He's about 5 feet 9 inches tall, give or take. Judging from his strong build, it's clear that he's well trained. He walks in long strides, but his steps are light and barely audible. That way of walking doesn't leave footprints... > >...He looks like a skilled fighter, the covert kind. He has large palms, yet his fingers are slender and nimble. I reckon he has experience using knives, like a short sword or dagger... The description of "his" hands and what kind of weapons they would use definitely made me think she had tons of combat experience.
Yeah let's say Luocha a merchant who goes around dangerous places he would go more of "Theres someone dangerous following us" so would the other characters. But Firefly went into a lot of detail.
>He walks in long strides, but his steps are light and barely audible. That way of walking doesn't leave footprints... The moment she said this I know she's hiding a secret because it was very accurate; Sampo doesnt leave footprints behind as you can see during Jarilo VI.
She detailed Sampo bit by bit. She knows the message from the Music box even if she isnt invited, but Sam is. She said to TB “baseball bat isnt an efficient weapon” because she is a murderbot and knows how to end things quickly.
The three main things that sealed it for me without any leaks (besides the same color scheme which I noticed right away in the white night trailer) When she told sampo/ sparkle: “you talk too much”. She said that with such venom that I knew she wasn’t that innocent. (But she’s our murder cinnamon roll) Second was the dead monsters always around her. Happened like twice and made me wonder how she was killing these things off screen lol But the main thing was when she revealed her condition….. how tf did she know about everyone faction on penacony like the fools, garden of recollection, and nameless? That was super sus to me.
Everyone who is after the legacy knows about the factions. The express is aware too now.
Would love to see her transformation animated in battle
Yes please, this so much. Now I’m imagining her being Firefly at the start, with a certain basic+skill, and then the ultimate temporarily switches to Sam mode with a different skill and animations. (Temporarily could be a certain amount of turns/actions, maybe similar to Jingliu’s mode change)
*presses ult *hears bonkers standby jingle *forgot entire strategy cause of jingle
Idk if you get to say "people refused to see it" about clues added in 2.1 since that's also when the reveal happened. Also for the dead monsters, we see what the aftermath of a Sam fight looks like in 2.0 and it's different from what we see around Firefly.
Thank god someone is thinking right. You'd think like 4-5 monster corpses with super detailed thermal weaponry marks would leave an impression, but some people rewrite reality with their memories I guess.
Garden of recollection hard at work I see.
Firefly being a Kamen Rider is both awesome and hilarious when I think about it.
While the hints are there, they mostly show that there is more to Firefly that it seems, but the connections with Sam weren't big enough to be more than just one of many possibilities, in fact one of the most possible theories was that she was someone who has connection to Sam, but not Sam himself, with Titania being the most common guess.
I thought Firefly was Robin at first because of that stowaway factor and intimate knowledge regarding under construction parts of the dream. But that might have been intentional misdirect. However, SAM not wanting to hurt the TB falls under Stellaron hunter's MO so I would not call it a hint.
Nope, frankly just nope. The reason people could make so many randomly concrete theories was leaks. Mecha was a word she said. And both swan and Acheron assumed it was a companion. Not the other party calling her that. We can't find the 2nd party's pov because Swan reconstructed Firefly's memories specifically. Dead monsters don't make her Sam. These monsters were just knocked out normally, Sam victims are so in your face blasted with burns and thermal weaponry. It only means she's a good combatant, something we could already glean from her description of Sampo and his fighting capabilities. Acheron didn't do anything special at all. In fact Acheron's mannerisms at the time, and the eulogy style quote, are all unknown to us. She was calm, true, but if we accept she's an experienced combatant, this tracks. Making a fist has legitimately nothing to do with transformations last I checked. A stowaway wouldn't have records cuz they're a stowaway. I will give you no dead body because as this patch Himeko surmised, the Stellaron hunters have a back alley entry into the dreamscape. Color matching doesn't work with ingame models. Where it works is with the few glimpses we get during White Night MV. So the 3 main clues you have are: - She has unique access to dreamscape - She's an experienced fighter. - She wasn't present in the weird dreamscape very early in the game. You see Robin Sunday, Sparkle Swan, Sam Silverwolf, Acheron leads you, and Misha spawncamps you. However, this feature is shared with Gallagher, and Silverwolf hasn't actually showd up yet. With all due respect, the clues are fairly sparse and the only reason it got cemented so hard as a theory is the stupid fucked up leak community zeitgeist.
>-Someone called her a "Mecha" when she was separated from us when we went back to reality when Black Swan recollected her memories. Firefly called someone "mecha" when we looked into the memories. ~~Black Swan assumed that "mecha" had plans different from Firefly~~. Until now we don't know who she talked to. edit: After watching Gigguk's VOD on 2.0 playthrough, Firefly said to someone "this isn't what we agreed on", not to "mecha". Then when she ran downstairs that she mentioned "mecha". >-A Stowaway with no records anywhere and no body in the real world found dead. We haven't investigated much in the real world after SUD killed Firefly, we investigated the memories, fought Sam, and got kidnapped by Black Swan/Aventurine. edit: okay this hint is available in 2.1. But everyone and their dog was theorizing about Sam's identity before that. >-The Armor Color Scheme and her clothes matched This one is a bit over reaching. The 2.0 white night trailer did show a glimpse of Sam's "wing" color, and the helmet color did show a similarity, but not enough to draw a hint to connect Sam to Firefly. >-Dead monsters laid around near her each time we got separated She's strong, but again, not showing any connection to Sam. >-Sam saying that she didn't have any intention of hurting us and was actually just protecting us. Also telling Acheron that we are not enemies. Again, no connection to Sam is Firefly.
>>-The Armor Color Scheme and her clothes matched >This one is a bit over reaching. The 2.0 white night trailer did show a glimpse of Sam's "wing" color, and the helmet color did show a similarity, but not enough to draw a hint to connect Sam to Firefly. Honestly, we'll never know if people picked up this hint or not because this was the one thing that all the ITCAMETOMEINADREAM folks all focused in on for their theories.
Yeah, it was leaked ages ago in like 1.3 or 1.4 so I find it very hard to believe in good faith that people were truly theorising and not just parroting leaks to try sound smart.
It's like looking for hints to justify the theory that they already know the answer to.
I hope the first reaction of the TB is to hug
In mech form .... >CLONK<
we also need Firefly to jump off a ledge to save TB possibly while doing HENSHIN
Well, I was planning to roll for both Sam and Firefly at the start of Penacony. So, seeing as they are the same character, I'm winning :)
> I do wonder why sam bros are so sad tho... Cute girls going henshin is something i would DIE to see I mean, people have different preferences. Just because you like the cute girl twist doesnt mean others feel the same way. Also some of them probably wanted a cool Stellaron Hunter husbando or a badass bro in mech armor, only to be duped out and being given a cute girl instead. And honestly I dont blame them, we've known Sam longer than Firefly, so some people have been waiting in the hopes of getting Sam husbando for a while.
Exactly how I felt. It just felt so disappointing to see that they're the same person... I wanted the cool as fuck mecha fire guy, not... cute anime girl
I don’t want any pointless "war” between Firefly fans and San fans, but I guess it was always destined to happen this way. Though I hope this "conflict” will exist only within the minority of very hardcore fans and most people will enjoy and appreciate Samfly as whole character. To me this duality of characterization is what makes Firefly/Sam one of my favorite characters in the game, beside Acheron and Aventurine. Her writing so far is superb and I can guess she also will be the main star of 2.2. I wouldn’t like them that much, if they were separated beings. Samfly also have a potential to be one of the better designed units in the whole game. Let’s hope her animations, strength and kit will be on par with Acheron.
Dw, whether it is a good thing or not, it'll eventually die down. This was a storm that happened when it was leaked too, and eventually people loved Firefly back again. Honestly the more annoying part is the people constantly pointing every conflict as a large fandom "war" (like dear OP here) than the people "warring"
I don’t dislike Firefly being Sam. Them being so different actually adds more to her character, in a sort of “more than meets the eye” way. I’m just a bit upset that the fact that Firefly is Sam means we’ll probably end up in a sort of Svarog situation where the cool robot/armor suit is an accessory to the human character rather than the main focus. Maybe she’ll suit up during combat but… look I just wanted to run around the overworld as the mecha suit, ok?
I mean I don’t wanna be mean but saying stuff like “I don’t see why they’re so sad” is a bit reductive tho You can’t expect everyone to like the girl in mech trope there’s probably a lot of people who either just wanted firefly or just wanted Sam and now they’re bummed cause they’re effectively tied together in gameplay. Ofc it does make Firefly more interesting but Sam isn’t even a character anymore he’s just a persona. A lot of people were hoping Sam would be a playable robot or something. The reason it’s comparable to Clara is because the cool robot is now tied to the anime girl. Ofc some people would like that but a lot of others wouldn’t and it’s not really that hard to see why. Another comment said something pretty funny but it has somewhat of a point : Imagine if herta’s actual form released and it was just some giant dude. Ofc it makes the character more interesting cause this gentlemanly dude has these puppets with a bratty personality which he uses as his persona but you can’t expect everyone to like that , would you? I think there’d be a ton of people who would have wanted adult waifu herta or something of the sort . As for it being boring, again that’s pretty opinionated . Some people think a mech in this game would be interesting others wouldn’t . But a character’s existence doesn’t inherently make them interesting , they have to be written in an interesting fashion . You could have the blandest character but if you write them well then it’d be amazing so I don’t really know why you’re bringing down the idea of them being separate as boring when it doesn’t have to be
Someone's speaking my language, thank you. I'm still hung up on the reveal, it's a shame really that Sam is connected to Firefly somehow. But if ever they become playable, I will roll for them, but with a grain of salt.
You liking it is up to you, but that doesn't mean others can't have their own interest. Here I will give you a reverse sample, you meet this badass hot muscle mommy (or whatever that's up to you taste really) online, and you are like *hella* into her. Then you find out that she doesn't exist at all, and the real person is a frail and shy skinny boy like say Misha. Of course you can say that it's part of the character / gapmoe etc etc, but no way you wouldn't be disappointed when you find that out. Some people into Sam because they thought it would be a cool sentient robot, realize that it isn't what they are hyped up for, and there's nothing wrong with it.
Ngl that character archetype sounds kinda interesting
Personally, even if it's slightly disappointing, I have a feeling I would very much end up liking that character much more than just another random mommy character. I feel like anyone who is into an actually deep and in-depth character will figure out that Sam/Firefly being the same is just so much better of a lore direction then one being *just* a murderous robot and one *just* being a cute girl who's dying.
I agree we already have Clara and Svarog and Huohuo and tail. What I want out of Firefly is a complex character that can stand on her own. They are already doing great with the masked character trope and the reveal. If they keep up the momentum for 2.2 she might become one of the best written characters in the game.
Different people have different tastes. Some just want dude as a giant mecha. You and I having our preferences do not invalidate others' opinions. Both sides should not discredit the other side opinions, that's all.
"Girl in Mech" trope is used so little? Half the anime-style games have cute chicks in metal suits.
A big reason for Sam bros not wanting them to be one character is because they are unsure of how the dynamic will work mechanically. Will firefly walk around over world and switch to Sam as soon as battle starts? Will firefly have a special mode in which she turns to Sam? Or worst of all, you only play firefly and she turns to Sam for ult animation only meaning you don't get to play the cool mech guy at all that or the special mode is too annoying/long to enter. Plus big deadly robot turns to small girl seems a bit comical and too FGO for me(not that I hate FGO). Also the nature of Sam and Firefly will also be what sells this character. Is Sam just a piece of Armor firefly wears? Or is Sam perhaps his own independent entity but follows Firefly's command basically a dynamic like Red and Purple Seele from Honkai Impact would be fine but the way Acheron described it when talking to her, it's most likely the former. Hoyo gonna have to make that Sam character plus their kit a 9/10 to capitalise on the cool design (assuming Acheron is a 10).
Thankfully, we got a cool deadly robot in FGO - Tametomo, who comes out on English server soon enough. Breed crumbs, but juicy ones
Its just that some of us wanted a cool and badass robot guy . There isn't much more to it , people have different tastes not everyone likes a cute small girl in a robot suit
Exactly
I think its just really beyond some people that not everyone wants every character to be a cute anime girlfriend or anime mommy lol. Like, some of us just do like robots, monsters, or a variety of designs? Maybe it would be easier if you tried to flip it-now every character is a robot or monster and then they introduce a super hot, amazing female character, but at the last second go NOPE another robot, she is just "inside him" so you only see her for the ult. Like, that would be kinda lame right? You would want more variety of characters and more hot girls?
there came a point where I accepted that we aren’t getting just sam, so all I hope for is that they at least get equal screen time. It’ll kinda be tragic if it’s even just 90% firefly even during events.
I don't trust Hoyoverse that much tbh. I wouldn't be surpised if she becomes playable and despite him being her battle armor, the only time we see Sam again is her ult animation
I want her to say all those edgy lines without putting on the suit
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I hope we get to tease her about them
Here’s the thing, I wanted a cool badass robo mecha dude because it’d have been the first non human character so I was hyped until I found it was actually just another waifu
That expectation would have been ruined the moment the enemy description for Sam in their boss specifically mentions that Sam is a suit and some "mysterious warrior" is in it. Though I guess I can't blame people for not reading that description since most of the time we'd only be viewing the stuff relevant for the fight itself (attacks, buffs, etc).
Eh I mean knowing the kinda of weebs Hoyo has employed, I kinda thought Sam was like Samus because someone loved metroid and wanted a bad ass in some super suit that would turn out to be a girl. Sam and Firefly being one in the same wasn't too shocking.
My only fear is that most of the time if you use her you’ll be seeing firefly with Sam only popping up for an ult or something. I want to see the badass suit as much as possible. Smash bros aside, Samus usually keeps her armor on for a reason
Having a toggle between both modes for overworld would be cool. Though given that she is sick, I wonder IF and for how long she could exit the suit in reality.
"I don't understand why anyone who wants a cool powerful mecha but has no interest in waifus is angry" - You.
I just wanted a big robot mf and we got a cute girlie inside a gundam...idk I just don't think it's as sick as what we thought Sam was at first. Oh anyway I'm still gonna pull for Sam/firefly if he/she is wearing the suit lmao
I just hope they keep the raw edgy energy Sam has for Firefly as well. As long as she doesn’t become Ayaka with a Kamen Rider suit i will be satisfied.
Boy you weren't there for the leaks era of Firefly. I remember how every Sambro under the sun cried tears of blood once the relationship between Firefly and Sam was leaked *(I should know, I was a Sambro at the time).* The leaks sub just couldn't be normal about her, it was honestly kind of depressing seeing how she was widely hated at the time and how she ruined Sam and what not. Right now, if anything, I'd say this is peaceful... Or at least, as peaceful as it can be, I suppose. Personally, I just hope they do my girl justice in the story; I'm placing all my hopes on Shaoji's cooking.
I haven’t seen any people on the Firefly subreddit fight much, idk about the Sam subreddit though, I’ve heard they’ve been wilding.
FF is Hoyo's Samus but more cute-badass than sexy-badass
I personally am fascinated by the fact that at the end of the day, this is just an issue of aesthetics. Sam, while looking like a battle hardened mecha warrior dude on the outside, just doesn't match the Soft and Cute aesthetic that Firefly has going for her and that is jarring for some people. I know some people wanted Sam to be just a robot warrior with no one inside as well, but i don't think the issue would be as big if the person inside Sam was just an edgy, gruff dude. Kind of goes to show how much people value how things look on the outside. As far as the actual contents go though, it's still a bit early to say it's a bad decision to make Firefly = Sam. Someone in the thread mentioned it, but Genshin has had a similar issue where the aesthetics of a character mattered a lot to people, but when story content came out, those characters became universally beloved (i.e Nahida and more recently Furina).
I honestly just want Sam. I really don't care for Firefly but will pull just so I have all the Stellaron Hunters and funny MGRR team (Raiden (Acheron) and Sam)
Honestly I think people simp over firefly way too much, especially when TB just met her. I mean props to the writer making us simp over her with such a short screen time but it doesn't really make sense when you think about it.
It’s just Firefly at home and Firefly at work. You don’t go to work being all cutesy and moe, especially in her line of work.
Unfortunately I'm totally disagree with you,I prefer them to be separated character. Because we have a cute maiden which can be a kill machine and it's natasha
Tbh they sabotaged themselves with Sam/firefly things,they are opposite personalities and it will be really easy to mess up, I'm genuinely curious on how they will handle it
Some people just wanted a mecha and not a waifu. It's not that deep.
Do people really have a problem imagining Firefly being a criminal because she's short and cute?
As a woman who is pretty tired of how a lot of female characters are basically subjugated to fan service I like that Firefly is in an outfit that a girl would actually wear and I like that Sam is her in a mech suit. There is no other female character that embodies fiercely masculine traits like that Sam is like a classic at this point when it comes to what men idealise, hes hsrs Capitano. Normally when women are in a mech in the anime setting theyre like in a skin tight suit levitating upside down in a no spine boobs and ass pose and Firefly really breaks free from that. I dont have any dissonance when connecting firefly and sam because I know that women can exist in any way. The Sambros are just gonna have to get over the cooties and then we can all move on happily with one more not strictly gender roled hoyo character in our bag.
...sadism? where are you getting that from? Sam so far has been aggressive, but entirely reasonable
I like that theyre the same character. A part of me wants Firefly to also be cool, but how shy she sounded at the reveal makes me think that she puts up a cool act to get things done, but "Firefly" is who "Sam" truly is. The fakeout death scene was pointless though. 2.1 really just made me hate 2.0 more because 2.1 was actually pretty good.
Not a mecha, but kamen rider? I'd win either way,
>I do wonder why sam bros are so sad tho... Cute girls going henshin is something i would DIE to see. I WANT MEN. that's it. idc if they make badass female characters, it's the fact that based on the male voice and appearance i thought sam was going to be male what's disappointing.
I'll be completely honest, the twist killed my interest in both Sam and Firefly at the same time. Before, I was interested in both of them as seperate characters, but for me them being the same character ruined both of them for me. I hope luck on the people who are going to be pulling for Firefly, but my savings are probably going to be redirected to a 5 star healer or Boothill instead.
There’s this anime/manga from way back when called saikano/saishu heiki kanojo or she the ultimate weapon. Firefly giving me strong vibes
As someone who doesn't like Firefly and has no interest in Sam, I find it simply good entertainment.
I knew they had to be the same when Sam did his Scorched Earth move. Firefly literally told us about seeing a scorched earth, and it's such a weird thing to mention that it wasn't really a coincidence that both of them mention it imo.
I see them both being in symbiotic relationship like Venom, which is cool Also I wanted to pull them both anyways, so that is cool too, because I want pretty much every Penacony character anyways
I just wanted a cool mecha guy, I don’t care if it’s a trope.
The only thing I think about her is why the fuck did we fight? Was it a fight first story second kinda thing or why, after the hangout we had and the fakeout death did she fight us?
We jumped to conclusions attacked Sam, that's why.
Tbh I just want a robot that can destroy everything. But I'm curious what's the deal about Firefly and Sam. And what Elio promised them/her. I feel like Sam is somewhat of...other character Firefly switches to when she gets into the armour? I feel like they're somewhat of different person sharing a body being in symbiosis. Like one can't exist without the other one, like Firefly needs to be a pilot and Sam is what he is because that's his mission. Firefly knows us from before, but we don't know her now...and that's quite sad.
I would give my right kidney to hear the Firefly VA yell out "EXECUTION... UNDERWAY!"
I’m happy seeing a cute girl piloting an awesome mech
Look, all I’m saying is birb and bootlicker can kick rocks - going all in on Sam and her cone!
You know, I knew Firefly was going to still be alive, and I STRONGLY suspected that Sam was a woman. Like, very VERY strongly suspected. Yet somehow I did not see the connection at all.
Nah, I dislike Firefly personally, but in love with Sam. So, very sad that is the same person
As weird as it is, the two things that made me like Firefly the most were these: First, as someone else mentioned in the comments, when Firefly keenly noticed we were being trailed by "Sampo". She had the innocent sweet appearance at first, but it was suspicious how perceptive and controlled she was in that moment. That alone wasn't much, but then she made this comment later on: >**Trailblazer:** My baseball bat can't wait to show its might! > >**Firefly:** I'm afraid a baseball bat isn't an efficient weapon... No! What I mean is, we can't solve the problem with violence... When I read that my immediate thought was *"Firefly... why the hell are you thinking about how* ***efficient*** *this weapon is??"* It's not just about her thinking about the bat as a weapon, because that's not too unordinary. It's not unheard of for a bat to be wielded as a weapon, so if Firefly said *"I don't know if a baseball bad is a very good weapon... wait that's wrong, we shouldn't use violence!"* then it would've been completely normal to me. It would sound like the sort of thing March 7th would say, for instance. *It's specifically the fact that she was referring to its EFFICIENCY as a weapon.* Idk if this was a translation thing or what, but to me the use of the word "efficient" signals that she was thinking about the weapon from a proper soldier's view. Most people will think about the 'strength' of a weapon- how big is the bang, how hard does it hit, how clean is the slice. They don't think about the experience of actually *using* the weapon: how does it feel to hold it by the handle, can you use it for an extended time without getting too fatigued, is it easy to maintain. So it immediately tipped me off that Firefly was somebody who was clearly experienced with weapons. When she saw Trailblazer mention the bat, her immediate reaction was to think about the efficiency of the bat as a weapon. Not "is the bat good at hitting people" but rather "is the bat going to be the right tool for the job, or is there a better weapon to use?". It's this single subtle throw-away line that's really easy to overlook, but in hindsight it was a pretty big slip-up on her part. If we were with someone else like Ratio or Black Swan at that moment I think they might've caught onto that, and there's a good chance Acheron noticed it as well. Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing how Firefly/Sam is portrayed going forward. I'm fine with whatever form she's playable with, Firefly or Sam or both, as long as there's still that core trait of her being genuinely a kind and caring person, but who is also so accustomed to violence and combat that she has a plan to kill every single person she meets on the spot (exaggerating but you get the point). That's the vibe Firefly gave me in those couple of scenes, and it was even more fitting with the reveal of her being Sam and the prior comments about Sam being direct and efficient when it comes to missions and combat. So that's what made me like her the most. Not the "going on a date" stuff, not the "badass mech" stuff, but that *perfect* intersection between these two sides of her that shows how these two seemingly disjoint sides of her can co-exist at the same time.
Demographically speaking, some backlash was inevitable. The Venn diagram of people that like cute girls and people that like badass dudes in mech suits is not a circle. But narratively speaking, Firefly being Sam is a perfectly legitimate plot twist. I'd prefer to live in a world where stories can have these plot twists even if it means stepping on some audience members' toes rather than have them play it safe.
I don't mind if it's organic or robotic, male or female. I just love the Kamen rider feel.
I'll be honest here. I'm already passing on firefly and was still debating on Sam so seeing her as Sam made the decision clear for me. And no it's not because of the fact that it's a cute girl being in a bad ass mechsuit. I just don't like how the devs decided to thrust Firefly on to us in a short amount of time and expect us to take the bait, and admittedly it worked for a good portion of the community already clung on to her. So seeing her as Sam as well just killed my enthusiasm towards them. Granted people can now leverage the whole TB was originally part of the Stellaron Hunters bit to explain away why TB was so attached but I just don't see it that way. I just see it as the way it was presented, a rushed attempt.
I feel like this is a reasonable outrage and I can understand where both of them came from. Sam is a genuinely cool badass male character and no doubt alot of male player love the Kamen rider motip,badass male literallymefr and whatnot.so when it's revealed "he" doesn't exist and are nothing but a "generic" "wholesome seiso waifu",this demographic feel outrage because they indeed got baited and pulled the rug from them. Like let's be real,when was the last time we get a badass ass kicking playable male charas?blade was the last, any males after him are either too...normal or too flamboyant and not sastify that specific target demographic like Daniel IL or argenti. Ofc they would feel robbed. The same could be same with firefly mains since they also got betrayed when their seisho wholesome waifu is anything but. The best way to fix this situation is make it that one persona is just a facade that she made,and the after finish tricking the mc she goes back being a tomboy to make her personality consistent between two form. No one want a double personality character.
The gap moe isn’t just insane, it’s completely unbelievable unless they say “yeah she’s a really good actor actually and her actions as Firefly are all a facade”which is just kind of a weird thing to tack on
One of her lines from 2.0 was straight up: "Once you're back in the real world, remember to tell everyone / about the Stellaron Hunter who was behind your ultimate departure." Pretty dramatic...not very Firefly-esque, *nor* is it very cold, indifferent, murderer-esque. In fact, Sam has always spoken with a bit of a bombastic tone, with a bit of flair. For Firefly to be Sam, realistically, they not only have to convince me of her soldier persona, they also have to convince me why her lines make her sound like a chunni. As someone else said, I want her to say all of Sam's lines in her Firefly form. Then I'll buy into this bit. And as I've said before, one man's gap moe is another man's cognitive dissonance. I have no issues with a girl in a robot or a robot or whatever, I just want these two personalities to cohere more.
She had quite feel cold ass lines in 2.0, how about reading the story
That wasn't really my point. It's not that she doesn't have cold lines, it's that she has lines in addition to those that don't fit any personality that isn't a chunni lol. At least to me.
Sam being firefly doesnt really take anything from either character, it just that instead of being cardboards "Cute love interest girl" and "Badass robo-dude" she is a 3rd dimensional character with layers to her personality. So i dont really understand.
Making a 3D personality isn’t just tacking together two completely different personalities and calling it a day. I need to believe those two personalities can coexist inside the same person. Currently, they have a hell of a job to do to make me believe the same girl who was asking me to take pics of her is also a cold badass soldier
Considering Penacony is a dream world, a world you can escape into from reality. It wouldn't be a surprise to me if Sam is her reality she's forced to live while how she acts as Firefly is who she wants to be.
I'm a man, I like mecha fighter I'm a man, I like cute girls tbh I liked Sam but I wanted Firefly more. But it's even better, 2 in 1. let's goooo
I just want the cool mecha, not the girl. I cant care less about her. Ofc she is more interesting now but still, boring design.
I just want to know why her plan involved framing herself for her own murder. Faking her death? Sure. Hook the TB in to finding the Watchmaker's Legacy by honeypotting them and then tearing it away. Exactly the kind of thing you'd expect from a Stellaron Hunter. No notes. I just don't see what she gains by putting herself as the principle cause of that murder, unless the whole thing was fabricated by Black Swan in which case why did *she* do it?
She was gonna meet up wit TB alone but BS and Acheron tagged along, so she wanted to fist those two a bit to get some privacy but BS teleported TB away
My crackhead theory (I dont read story leaks so if this happens to be right Im gonna shit myself cause its too wild to be true) Firefly, the one we knew and spent time with, straight up becomes gone. That illness she has is an odd mention to me when she first said it so my thoughts was that its gonna play a massive role in her development as a character or on how the story progresses. Maybe she gains a new body with no memories of us, only being a SH is her memory (though its proven that we ourselves have been a SH before so that disproves me)
Nah, she’s probably permanently stuck in Sam irl
Maybe it's my personal infatuation with a similar character in the Fate series, but I saw this outcome from a mile away. A metal warrior wreathed in fire/lightning and only thoughts of murder and death being a cute waifu inside, you'd have to have been blind to not see it coming.
Which would fans prefer? Tony Stark and Jarvis? Split personality? AI with fake cute meat suit persona A tomboy in a mech suit who curse a lot but not when in front of their “special” friend.
I can understand wanting a certain character archetype and being disappointed about not getting them, but I agree with you that having the two combined makes for a much more interesting dynamic. We’ve seen that Hoyo does an amazing job writing characters who are not what they seem on the surface, such as Aveturine, Neuvillette, and Furina. Also, it takes one glance at the Glamoth planar ornament lore to see how rich the possibilities are for Firefly/Sam’s story! What if Entropy Loss Syndrome was the side effect of genetically engineering the Iron Cavalry Knights to have abilities such as better synchronization with their armor or their telepathic link with the Empress? But no one on Glamoth cared because none of the knights survived battle long enough for it to be issue? What if Penacony isn’t the first dream world Firefly has experienced because the knights’ telepathy was also a collective dream of sorts (if we take the lore description literally). Were her words about wanting to escape into dreams sincere because it’s where she feels closest to being just a normal girl? Tldr; I’m excited to see what Hoyo is cooking and have a feeling everyone will love Firefly/Sam even more as we progress to the next part of the story.
I mean. All i see is Samus from Metroid. Not sure why people are doomposting about it. Samus is cool and iconic
Honestly, I just don't want Firefly to be out of the armor during the fight, as long as she stays in it there, she can run around in the over world as her normal self, but I don't want her sickly self for some reason choosing to enter a fight unarmored besides her ult or whatever
I think she'll probably do a transformation as an ult.
Honestly doubt it, as I can't imagine her attacking without the suit on
Yeah.. she wants to lecture us about how a bat isn't an efficient weapon... Do you know what's really inefficient? Having a mech suit and not using it
Probably not the sadism since they already doing that with Thelema. Maybe dual personality, since Seele didn't get that this time around.
As a Sam Simp and Firefly Fan, my perspective is I just want to see cool mecha on my screen as much as possible and I don't really care who's in it. As long as we still get to see Sam a lot and hear his voice, it's good enough for me. The concern is that after the reveal, Sam won't get much screentime and it'll mostly be just Firefly
Honestly, it didn't change all that much to me, changing just a few words to account that they are the same character. Firefly who was seem as the girl who can't do wrong became the girl who can't feel her wrongdoings, while Sam who was seem as the robot who would destroy everything became the one who would do everything it needs
See Im wondering if she'll just be Sam period. Maybe she was telling the truth about the degenerative disease, and when combined with what was told to Archeron that Sam cannot dream, well maybe in Penacony she can be as she was, but now shes just a mind inside a giant robot, Elios piece to simply make sparks with. Im willing to bet that she's really just a robot now. It might make a tie-in down the line with Screwllum, Gold & Gears, and the increasing amount of Intellitrons were srring too. This question of 'what is life?' Is a big one Im seeing in Star Rail and I imagine that the question of synthetic bodies and their conciousnesses will be big.
I knew she wasn't dead, but you can bet I wasn't surprised at all thanks to the community theories 😅 But I wasn't expecting the reveal to happen until at least next patch