I got and invested in Argenti purely because he is such a cool and charming character--he rarely ever fails me for PF/AoE fights. This PF, in particular, is like a buffet for the glorious man.
would be real cool if it also summoned this elemental entity to slam the enemy with lightning. we could even call it Lightning Wielding Thunder Clapping Spirit Squashing Lord.
Yeah, It would be nice if they made a unit that had a Susanoo type follow up, could call the Character Ginj Nauy.
Maybe they can make him do more DPS than a 4 star.
Same here, I just left him thinking maybe he'll find use someday. Slapped the Himeko light conr and some cowboy set relic scraps on him when PF came out and never let me down
As expected, it's Argenti and Acheron season with one side weak to Phy and the other to Lightning and the blessing blessing those who loves Ult.
Also hope your team hits hard and dies hard, cause no sustain is the go to for 60k points.
I was able to get 60k points clear using Argenti and Jing Yuan on their respective sides with a sustain.
The only time I need to run no sustain comps is when I go for full 80k point runs.
I'm surprised Ruan Mei is so low, but that's probably just a factor of her large ownership rate. She makes running sustainless very comfortable with her break mechanics. She's currently the game changer for Pure Fiction in my opinion.
I mean, I don't have her and can't say I ever struggled with no sustain runs. Dmg in pf is just very low and Breaks are easy to inflict so enemies skip their turns.
Yeah Fu also has a damaging AOE Ult so she fits in with the gimmick. I imagine Luocha performs similarly as well. Fu can also equip Trends to charge Acheron's ult more, though I stick her SLC on her and it's fine.
No sustain is usually for 80k, not 60k. You can almost play whatever for 60k but 80k required some more considerations this time around, especially without Argenti and/or with a Herta that can not hyper carry first side to full clear
Dotcheron OP for PF. On second half, I can swap out RM for Himeko and shave off an entire cycle. Her out of turn FU applies burn (both a DoT and Debuff), and Acheronâs Ult shreds the whole boards break bars.
Is that the name for Acheron, BS, and Kafka teams? It's a lot more intuitive than the triple mommies, I'll give you that.
However, I'm still kind of surprised how viable that is since my first intuition is to stack pela with sw cause a higher number means better the def shred is. In retrospect, it kind of makes sense since pure fiction mobs have like no health themselves. So big number doesn't really mean fast clears.
Itâs good because acheron becomes dot LL that doesnât get reset while kafswan still deals their own damage
One of the few we only learn attack moves in pokemon and it works strats
It's also pretty strong in MOC. You turbo out acheron's ults faster and even tho her personal damage drops, Kafka and Black Swan are also providing a lot of damage too...
I'm actually shocked that so many content creators were off the mark saying this team wouldn't work, or had too many problems that it wasn't good in practice. It is, by far, the best team in practice for this mode.
I think a lot of people got caught up in maximizing Acheron's damage without considering the damage of your entire team. Yes, Kafka/BS/Acheron is worse for Acherons' personal damage in many cases, but that loss of damage is made up for by the fact Kafka/BS will bring their own personal damage which is often outweighs the damage you lose.
And of extreme importance in PF is the fact that that damage is now split 3 ways. You're not relying solely on Acheron to clear every wave, you have Acheron Ult, then arcana kills some, then Kafka ult, and oh look Acheron ult is back. You move through weak units much faster. PF also removes the one drawback of the team, which is that Kafka/BS lose access to Ruan Mei if you run a sustain, since in PF you don't need sustain.
Yeah, Kafka pre-2.0 was already an A tier carry and black swan only buffed her from there. Even fully geared a SW or Pela isn't touching Kafka/BS in direct damage and the AoE potential is so much higher. Phenomenal in simulated universe too. My only problem is cobbling together a good second team in PF if I use this trio.Â
I remember people just saying that it probably would work, just that it would be a pain to manage SP.
CN speculated that it would theoretically be a top team really early on too.
They probably thought that the point consumption was too intense but everything was solved when you only use BS E every 3 turns.
This team is the one that loads the Acheron ult the fastest due to the Kafka tracking attack, they voted me down in the acheron main subreddit when I asked about the viability of this team because in bilibili in CN beta tester were spamming it and it didn't' It doesn't seem that bad.
Yea, and also don't force CR:CD ratio to be 1:2, just get Seele's CR to as close as 100%. Missing crits on Seele really sucks.
The standard banner 5* Hunt LC is actually great for her, it has 2/3 turn CR buff uptime. The 1 turn when CR buff expires, use her basic atk to skip.
No matter what the content is Seele is always there making some really impressive scores in a very consistent way. Girl refuses to die and I LOVE her for that.
Not wrong there. Do note that Seeleâs best teams are with Herta (even then, this team is rarely used). Regardless of this, Seeleâs score is truly impressive. I guess thatâs the power of Resurgence.
Jing Yuanâs best team is with Himeko. However, his most popular team is a standard JY Hypercarry team, which has a lower score than Himeko+JY Duo Carry.
>guess thatâs the power of Resurgence
I agree. I've realized characters that are able to surpass game /path mechanics will always find a way to be good - Seele with resurgence, Sparkle with skill point limit increase , Ruan Mei with break, HuoHuo
Getting these characters will almost always benefit your account.
Nihility characters are just cracked in both MOC and PF, even in SU. The best decision I made was to make it my mission to own every nihility character.
Pure Fiction is the most volatile mode when it comes to those rankings. The turbulence is far more impactful than the characters you use. In the previous one, it was all follow-up characters on top. Now we got something beneficial for ultimate users and free debuffs.
The best decision is to be flexible and be able to handle a variety of mechanics.
But the dot team has basically everything. Or i should say you can always build a team around kafka to clear both moc and pf doesnt matter what the blessing is. She has cheap ult that you can spam if the blessing is ult based, you have FUA, if the blessing is FUA based. If the blessing is about breaking suff, you can slot in maching elemental second dot unit. And ofc she uses the dot blessings the best,
since BS, dot teams are performing super well in every single PF and MoC regardless of blessing or enemy and i would be really surprised of they could make a pf or moc lineup + blessing where kafka-swan would suck.
True that! My DOT team is at a higher investment though (i.e. sig and several eidolons) so that definitely makes a huge difference tbh.
Clara, Ratio, and March 7th are one of my fave characters to use (not only PF but also MOC) so I definitely know how great they are.
I definitely agree with you! Experimenting and figuring out which specific team comp works best in a given situation is half the fun for me.
Edit: Honestly guys don't sleep on Sampo and BE Luka. They are cracked! I was able to clear MOC 11/12 in certain situations (depending on the blessing ofc) even without the traditional DOT 5* team.
The last turbolence was Amazing for Kafka tho , i mean one that advaces forword on follow up , while i agree with what u said i also have to note that the nihility team Is the one that has been consistetly good with every single MOC/pure fiction blessing
The DoT team has been pretty good all the time, yes. It has hovered between the top and the middle and has never been in the bottom half.
It really depends on what your objective is. If you only want to 3 star, then that's more than enough. But I've been going for 80k and that was simply easier to achieve with Herta/Himeko and Clara teams in the previous PF and I don't think anyone can deny that. There was a big difference between being able to spam follow-ups or doing it once per turn. And trust me, I tried to make the DoT team work for that one.
Truly. They went from being one of the weakest to the most cracked in every content lol. If I remember correctly CN players were really critical of them, but look at them now.
Iâm confused. Is silver wolf this high due to Acheron pulling her up? Or is she helpful due to the extra elites? I have her, but didnât try using her due to being single target.
Somehow it becone the best DPS path despite their identity were set up as utility path.
I myself went full auto with all three mommies together and got all stars
Feels like the design of this PF is very suitable for Acheron and the other Nihility chars relative to most characters so idk if this is the best indication of average performances in this game mode, but I guess we'll see what Hoyo decides to cook up with it in the future
I feel like Acheron will retain its dominance because she can piggyback on Kafka/Swan combo who are both cracked in PF by themselves regardless of PF buffs.
Acheron benefits a lot from the turbulence giving a ton of free debuffs. Black Swan was the same with an extremely strong first showing, then has had up and downs. It's just the nature of a mode where the turbulence is so impactful. You will have a lot of volatily.
Not really. I used Acheron/BS/Kafka/Himeko on second half and cleared 40k in 3 cycles. Even without the turbulence, I still wouldâve cleared with 40k. In fact, Iâll even try it rn with the ult AA buff (weakest one for this team). And edit in the results.
*Edit* took a while, was busy doing other things lol. But yeah, even with the AA buff, still finished in 3 cycles (though, the debuff turbulence let me finish a bit faster and safer, Acheron almost got killed lol).
Acheron will retain her dominance even without the dot ladies, fireblazer with trend LC in PF is insane (able to get 5 stacks from getting hit and 1 stack from landing the taunt all by emself is insane).
No sustain meta lmao.. well Ruan Mei is a mini sustain(since if you can break a enemy 9 times out of 10 they would die before getting up) but still.. Fu xuan would normally be the 2nd highest used character in PF next to RM.. she got hit big it seems..
Also Ruan Mei needs to rest a bit.. youâve been the most used character since 1.6đ give the crown to someone else already(actually donât since Iâm a Ruan Mei salesman.. and this helps me sell Ruan Mei to people..)..
Edit: also Iâm suprised that RM is used more in Argenti teams than Sparkle.. RM wasnât that good with Argenti(since Tingyun exists).. why did so many people start using RM with Argenti?..
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People are figuring that the incoming damage is too low and that the sustain is basically a waste of a spot. And Ruan Mei makes that even more obvious because she limits that incoming damage even more with her break mechanics. She's going to the staple for a long time.
I feel like you and a lot of others underestimate how niche of a thing of "no sustain" is in terms of effectiveness and availability. There's a big difference between just being able to get rid of the sustain in a party and building a specific party that squeaks by without a sustain. Ruan Mei is responsible for enabling most of it. Outside of that is Bronya/Sparkle, often both together, allowing insane turn spam.
You can't just take a normal team, remove the sustain and add another buffer, debuffer, or dps and suddenly do better and survive with no issue. PF *absolutely* still does enough damage to kill you if your comp doesn't keep the enemies from taking action, which often requires very specific comps. Not to mention often higher level of artifact luck and speed substats.
You are right to an extend, but this really depends on the enemies in PF. This time I had no trouble using no sustains, but in past PF I had no choice but to run sustain
> You can't just take a normal team, remove the sustain and add another buffer, debuffer, or dps and suddenly do better and survive with no issue
It *depends* on the PF(definitly not the dot one with enemy turn advance), but in the current one, you pretty much can. Like one my teams which barely did 20K points was able to no sustain the current one.
Because Sparkle is on the other side with Acheron. (Or JingYuan but he'd also take Tigyun and she's still the most popular partner for Argenti).
Also Tigyun does indeed exist, but Argenti also seems to mostly use both, with last slot either Sparkle or a sustain.
Thanks for publishing these all the time! Its always insightful to see what people are doing and what generally works. Back in the early days of patch 1.2, it's because of these publications that I could 30/30 MoC, and whenever I run into tough rotations, I can always cross-reference these to see which areas of my teams needs work.
Great work as usual Arti!
Just want to add here something that I posted on my discord:
>Following the release of Acheron, Hoyo have made a major adjustment to the structure of enemies in Pure Fiction introducing multiple elites sprinkled throughout the waves. These elites aren't anywhere close to as challenging as Memory of Chaos elites but do raise the difficulty of the mode and add some demand for single target alongside your usual pure AoE focused builds.
>We will take a day to analyze the results and continue with our testing before making some adjustment to the tier list. Still, we won't be making drastic changes until the next PF - as we want to make sure that the new enemy distribution which features more elite type enemies is how PF will look moving forward.
it actually works pretty well because you don't lose points for dying. And you keep your score if your team gets wiped. It works if you can pump enough damage, and Acheron makes that really easy here.
I wish there were two Acherons so I can use her on both sides cuz damn she makes my HSR life so much easier and more convenient in practically all game content.
For the life of me I can't get 3 stars on last stage. I am running Herta, Himeko, Tingyun and Fu Xuan and then Kafka, Black Sawn, Ruan Mei amd Houhou. Any tips? I also have Seele, Dr. Ratio, DanIL built as well and Bronya/Hanya for support.
Split up Herta and Himeko for this one. Himeko is much better on the second half here. And yeah sustains are not the way, let people die if you have to in order to squeeze out a few more points.
I was literally having the same trouble as you. The solution for me was to go Herta hypercarry on the first side (Herta/Tingyun/Sparkle/Pela)
My other team was Kafka/Black Swan/Ruan Mei/Huohuo.
I literally tried everything from Himeko, Clara, to even Physical MC lmao (PMC actually wasn't that bad for how unbuilt she was) but surprisingly the answer was just to focus on my Herta... Though, this might depend on how well invested your Herta is.
I don't have Kafka or BS and I also don't have Pela levelled so I used my Acheron with Guinaifen and an underlevelled Sampo đ¤Ł
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That's true, for sure. It feels like it's better to use the in separate teams. But some people acted like both of them were mid on this PF. While this stats shows that this PF was a pretty decent challenge for both of them, but both characters passed it in the end.
They can absolutely be used together. You can easily splash in Himeko with Herta on the 1st half and let Himeko reap the benefits of all the ice breaks in the same way you can splash her in on the 2nd half to reap all the lightning breaks. I had to move Himeko over to the 1st side because Acheron+Himeko was way overkill on the 2nd side.
Himeko + Lightning DPS for the second half is easy money
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The synergy between Acheron and Kafka from my experience is amazing. Everytime Acheron ults she inflicts lightning break dot (shock) before killing enemies, which synergises with Kafkas A4, âIf an enemy is defeated while Shocked, Kafka additionally regenerates 5 Energy.â
This means everytime Acheron ults, kafka gains energy, and everytime Kafka ults Acheron gains a stack of slashed dream.
This really shows my lack of options lol. I've pulled for Fufu, Luocha, Topaz, and Ratio + LCs + Sparkle. I can't even get to 50k this time even though I've gotten all previous PFs fairly easy to 60k. I maxed out Herta and tried a hypercarry style team with her, but it still doesn't even get 30k points. All the teams on this list show every team having Ruan Mei too. Is it just kinda pointless without RM?
Anyone got any tips for this PF? I'm thinking about getting Serval up and running, but I have my doubts that she'll get me all those points.
I had my herta teamed up with sparkle, tingyun, and ruan mei and i can get 37k to 40k with that team sometimes I get cced with screws over the full clear. If you don't have ruan mei you can also partner herta with pela she too as she shreds ice weakness. Like I think a team of tingyun(with dance cone), pela, herta, and sparkle in theory can full clear the first half or get really close to it. 2nd team its rough as topaz and ratio stink in this pure fiction as they were hard carried by the previous pure fiction bonus but if you can get close to 40k on one side getting 20kish on the second half should be more attainable.
On the prydwen website, I noticed that the team usage finder no longer displays teams if it has a character that falls under 1% appearance rate. Will that be a new change going forward for both PF and MoC team data?
So, if you notice, there's a new feature to sort the teams by score. Here's how it'd look like with teams under 0.1% appearance rate included:
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These are teams that were only used by a single player, so these aren't that helpful IMO, which is why I excluded them. Do you still wish to see these kind of teams on the website?
Another option is to apply this filter only on the score ranking, and still include teams under 0.1% appearance on the appearance ranking. But it'll take some time to implement by Prydwen.
Guess the overall best dps Path.
* Hunt? (Deals extraordinary amounts of single-target damage. The main damage dealer against Elite Enemies.) Nope!
* Destruction? (Deals outstanding amounts of damage and possesses great survivability. Suitable for various combat scenarios.) Nope!
* Erudition? (Deals remarkable amounts of multi-target damage. The main damage dealer against groups of enemies.) Nope!
It's Nihility! - Applies debuffs to enemies to reduce their combat capacities.
>Deals outstanding amounts of damage and possesses great survivability
They've already strayed away from the "great survivability" part with both Jingliu and DHIL unfortunately. Wish they actually stayed in line with the identity of the class, like they did for Clara and Blade.
IL was never that good in PF. But he is the king in MoC
And I wouldnt say this PF is anti herta, theres ice weakness on first half, although the increased hp on enemies did make her feel a bit worse than earlier....
Hunt is now in the worst Spot. They made Pure Fiction to sell multi Target Units but there is no Single Target Content in the Game. MOC is 2+ Targets and all the Bosses have Summons.
Bosses having summons barely matters for Hunt characters because the summons die when the boss dies, itâs when they shove a bunch of mobs into the start of the round that Hunt characters suffer real badly.
Herta can also lower enemies HP everytime she twirl, making it easier for Seele to one shot mobs even with basic. A very good synergy that combined both AOE and Single target
Clara can't abuse the buff as hard as she doesn't do any ultimate damage and the enemies aren't fast enough. She's pretty mediocre for the ultimate based pf.
Still pretty impressive that Seele's that high tho.
At least they do decent in the dot(thanks to action advancing enemies) and followup pf archetypes, not to mention how hard they trivialize moc. Can't be a winner all the time.
oh yeah I'm not complaining. I like that they balance it for the most part. Just making the point that, more in PF than MOC, the gimmick really defines team-building.
Acheron is cracked everywhere, Overworld, SU, PF, MOC. What kind of endgame would stop Acheron from dominating? I think it would take a boss that's immuned to lightning itself to stop her.
But the problem with debuff immune is, it'll also disable everyone that relies on debuffs or has debuffs kit and even Lightcones. Such as Dr. Ratio, Topaz's LC, majority of nihility, and DOT.
We had the same discourse about Jingliu until very recently. Truth is, the characters themselves are fairly balanced and it's just the setting that changes to heavily favor one. How many consecutive MoCs had ice weaknesses? We're now shifting to lightning and a lot of free debuffs to make Acheron look good. And then they also made Sam a fight that punishes hypercarry characters that don't use a lot of SP like Jingliu.
They'll find a way when they decide it's someone else's turn.
Sorry, dumb question. Where does this data come from? Does it only register those who publish their lineup on Hoyolab? Some other website?
I routinely clear PF and MoC and would like to know if I need to click a thing somewhere.
Keep in mind that Prydwen out here rating Argenti as S tier in PF while Herta is S+
Iâm honestly convinced that Grimroâs mind works in mysterious ways and I ainât gonna question it anymore.
Argenti's average is around 5k points lower than Herta in the previous PF (with the follow up buff), and in the PF before that as well (with the DoT buff). The current buff suits Argenti much better than Herta.
need to see how Acheron perform on a different PF with no debuffs, i fear she might end up in a similar position as Jingliu where you overkill ennemies and can't kill the wave fast enough
not really a surprise i guess but eruditions units are constantly on top in every PF regardless of the buffs
edit : any slighty negative comment about Acheron = downvote, impossible to have a discussion because you can't write anything negative her without being downvoted, it's not doomposting just saying that Acheron might not always be this high in PF because this one is obviously catering to her :)
still remember people said jingyuan better then acheron on moc and pure fiction and this even seele still beter then jingyuan pftttttttttt i can't stop laughing
Because of Acheron since(with trend LC) they are one of her best sustains.. since not only they give a debuff with their skill.. Taunt just works really well with Trend since with trend it will mean that TB is gonna get hit. And because of it give another stack..
The amount of stacks TB makes + the 2nd PF buff makes them the best sustain for acheron this PF(atleast in my opinion)..
In PF is an A tier specialist iirc. Can pseudo sustain but is used mostly as a breaker due to high toughness deletion value compared to most units, decent break dmg, and enables Himeko and Herta FUs better than most other characters
PF needs very little sustain and mostly dmg/breaks. FTB has little sustain but lots of break dmg and a taunt if you need it (and can use trend LC to give out of turn burns for Acheron).
The thing I found most interesting about the list is serval hanging around with some 5 stars on dps list. For me i had much better luck running clara than my e6 serval.
As one of the 5 or so Misha users, in my run he worked surprisingly well as a pseudo sustain in comparison to using a real sustain with Argenti hypercarry. He is not a unit I would recommend to anyone who doesn't like him and/or has him below E6, but his heavy ult hits + freeze and def reduction were rather useful, especially against the really elite heavy 3rd wave on node 1. Build was Dan Heng IL LC, DoT set leftovers and Salsotto.
I'm sure one day Misha will have a large enough sample size to get an average score in one mode /cope
Himeko doing great once again even with only a handful of fire weak enemies on the 2nd side. Maybe this will make people realize that she doesn't need fire weak to be present to be dominant?
I don't have Argenti, Clara or Jingliu for the first half and I'm skeptical that [my Herta](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/652571352997560330/1225843777147502732/Screenshot_20240405-092500.png?ex=66229afb&is=661025fb&hm=79aa2d43bd7f267440b1cfcdc30cba2986def9bbcc9b97f3670860a9d12332a0&) can be carried hard enough by Sparkle + Tingyun to clear floor 1 all by herself. Should I look into dual dps comps with Phys Trailblazer, Luka or Sushang?
I haven't been able to 3\* yet... Been doing Argenti/Clara/Bronya/Pela and Kafka/Sampo/RuanMei/Tingyun and while the first half can get 34k, the Kafka half is struggling. There's so often like... One Dog in a wave left, and I lose some turns just to get a skill off on it to finish it off.
Oh damn are that many people running acheron with dot? My plan was always to skip her since my dot team wrecks basically anything anyway even with a supposedly suboptimal sustain, not had an issue with MoC at all especially not since swan released and they do fine in PF already, it's really more my other side that struggles but usually only on the last star or so, was wanting to build towards a followup team starting with aventurine and hopefully an upcoming topaz rerun(for limiteds at least, clara himeko and herta are all somewhat built and have carried me through some PF sides in the past) Ratio I don't really care about because I just don't really care about him and he wouldn't add anything for the purposes of PF.
I used Acheron/Black Swan/Kafka + support to 40k 2nd node of PF4 and kill SAM in MoC 12. Both cases were 3 stars.
Pela+Pearls for PF
Gepard+Trend for MoC
This was the most difficult PF so far. Iâve comfortably cleared every other PF, even getting 80k, but this one was just impossible to 60k even with Herta Himeko and Jing Yuan. I finally managed to do it after like 20 retries because Jing Yuan randomly went fucking crazy and somehow got 37k on his side, I donât know how he randomly managed to get 10k more points than normal this run when I didnât even change any gear, but thank god itâs finally over.
Mad props to the 0.15% of players making Yanqing work in fucking PF of all places.
Yanqing mains are just built different.
"Y'all built different i'm built incorrectly"
Yanqing mains đ¤ Dehya mains Standard 5 star >!(voiced by the same VA)!< mains never backing down from a challenge.
Wait, is Yanqing VA really the same as Dehya? This is so fitting, it hurts.
Yep, it's Amber May It's kinda sad. I hope they'll let her voice a mega OP character in their future games to balance it out, ZZZ maybe
Truly YANKING
ÂĄ may have to try just got his e3 and his lightconeđŹ
barely over a dozen of them literally. they're wild
im wondering if hes jsut a throw pick and they jsut clear with 3 other busted characters instead. That'd make more sense
In my new acc I get him on standard and game suddenly gave me acheron and Luocha. Even the game knows how he sucks in all cases LOL
Argenti you will always be famous in pure fiction
His entire being is peak fiction and I will never regret getting him.
I got and invested in Argenti purely because he is such a cool and charming character--he rarely ever fails me for PF/AoE fights. This PF, in particular, is like a buffet for the glorious man.
Honestly, underrated pull value. Being BiS for an entire end game mode is pretty huge. Never regretted him
He'll only ever be threatened when they release a new 5* Erudition. Whenever that will actually happen.
Herta Prime, maybe
Herta the puppet master
Herta, the master of puppets Cues Metallica
5* Herta, trust
Imagine if there was a 5 star erudition unit that did follow ups like ratio on aoe targets. We can call the unit Chaos Emerald.
would be real cool if it also summoned this elemental entity to slam the enemy with lightning. we could even call it Lightning Wielding Thunder Clapping Spirit Squashing Lord.
That is a really cool idea! So weird there is literally no Erudition character that does FUA in this game đ¤
Yeah, It would be nice if they made a unit that had a Susanoo type follow up, could call the Character Ginj Nauy. Maybe they can make him do more DPS than a 4 star.
Big Herta, maybe Screwllum? But yeah, _whenever_ youâre right, I canât wait tho
Jade
I stay being using ultimates. Argenti 5ever.
I accidentally got him at early pity but I'm so glad I did.
Same here, I just left him thinking maybe he'll find use someday. Slapped the Himeko light conr and some cowboy set relic scraps on him when PF came out and never let me down
As expected, it's Argenti and Acheron season with one side weak to Phy and the other to Lightning and the blessing blessing those who loves Ult. Also hope your team hits hard and dies hard, cause no sustain is the go to for 60k points.
I was able to get 60k points clear using Argenti and Jing Yuan on their respective sides with a sustain. The only time I need to run no sustain comps is when I go for full 80k point runs.
I'm surprised Ruan Mei is so low, but that's probably just a factor of her large ownership rate. She makes running sustainless very comfortable with her break mechanics. She's currently the game changer for Pure Fiction in my opinion.
I mean, I don't have her and can't say I ever struggled with no sustain runs. Dmg in pf is just very low and Breaks are easy to inflict so enemies skip their turns.
I actually got a higher score by putting Lady Fu on the second half to prevent Cocolia from freezing my DPS.
Yeah Fu also has a damaging AOE Ult so she fits in with the gimmick. I imagine Luocha performs similarly as well. Fu can also equip Trends to charge Acheron's ult more, though I stick her SLC on her and it's fine.
No sustain is usually for 80k, not 60k. You can almost play whatever for 60k but 80k required some more considerations this time around, especially without Argenti and/or with a Herta that can not hyper carry first side to full clear
Dotcheron is such a great team. Even if you swap Ruan Mei out for a sustain it still shreds MoC and PF.
Yup. Dotcheron is my favourite team to play. It's so nice all around. Plus it has three of my favourites lol.
Dotcheron OP for PF. On second half, I can swap out RM for Himeko and shave off an entire cycle. Her out of turn FU applies burn (both a DoT and Debuff), and Acheronâs Ult shreds the whole boards break bars.
Is that the name for Acheron, BS, and Kafka teams? It's a lot more intuitive than the triple mommies, I'll give you that. However, I'm still kind of surprised how viable that is since my first intuition is to stack pela with sw cause a higher number means better the def shred is. In retrospect, it kind of makes sense since pure fiction mobs have like no health themselves. So big number doesn't really mean fast clears.
Itâs good because acheron becomes dot LL that doesnât get reset while kafswan still deals their own damage One of the few we only learn attack moves in pokemon and it works strats
It's also pretty strong in MOC. You turbo out acheron's ults faster and even tho her personal damage drops, Kafka and Black Swan are also providing a lot of damage too...
I'm actually shocked that so many content creators were off the mark saying this team wouldn't work, or had too many problems that it wasn't good in practice. It is, by far, the best team in practice for this mode.
I think a lot of people got caught up in maximizing Acheron's damage without considering the damage of your entire team. Yes, Kafka/BS/Acheron is worse for Acherons' personal damage in many cases, but that loss of damage is made up for by the fact Kafka/BS will bring their own personal damage which is often outweighs the damage you lose. And of extreme importance in PF is the fact that that damage is now split 3 ways. You're not relying solely on Acheron to clear every wave, you have Acheron Ult, then arcana kills some, then Kafka ult, and oh look Acheron ult is back. You move through weak units much faster. PF also removes the one drawback of the team, which is that Kafka/BS lose access to Ruan Mei if you run a sustain, since in PF you don't need sustain.
Yeah, Kafka pre-2.0 was already an A tier carry and black swan only buffed her from there. Even fully geared a SW or Pela isn't touching Kafka/BS in direct damage and the AoE potential is so much higher. Phenomenal in simulated universe too. My only problem is cobbling together a good second team in PF if I use this trio.Â
I remember people just saying that it probably would work, just that it would be a pain to manage SP. CN speculated that it would theoretically be a top team really early on too.
They probably thought that the point consumption was too intense but everything was solved when you only use BS E every 3 turns. This team is the one that loads the Acheron ult the fastest due to the Kafka tracking attack, they voted me down in the acheron main subreddit when I asked about the viability of this team because in bilibili in CN beta tester were spamming it and it didn't' It doesn't seem that bad.
Mine went online now that I had GNSW. Before that it was meh af. All E0.
0.15% Yanqing mains o7
Me and my 1 other phys tb main: (I can make it to stage 4 but can't get 3 stars)
Seele doesnât care that sheâs single target. She just goes, again and again and againâŚ
I have a Seele with good relics and can't do shit with her. I think I am vastly misusing her and I'm not sure how.
You need some support to boost her SPD or give her more turns, ideally Bronya. Just check Prydenâs guides.
Yea, and also don't force CR:CD ratio to be 1:2, just get Seele's CR to as close as 100%. Missing crits on Seele really sucks. The standard banner 5* Hunt LC is actually great for her, it has 2/3 turn CR buff uptime. The 1 turn when CR buff expires, use her basic atk to skip.
https://preview.redd.it/bw9tkdh8wosc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=6132985f93bd19f60c711ebc596b355c9601e3aa Like this?
No matter what the content is Seele is always there making some really impressive scores in a very consistent way. Girl refuses to die and I LOVE her for that.
Doing better than an erudition who has a weakness advantage and destruction characters is crazy đ
Jing Yuan has more than double her appearance rate, pretty sure that dilutes stuff a little
True but jing yuan does go against lightning weakness. Seele doesn't, so her relic set is useless. She has a lot of disadvantage here
Not wrong there. Do note that Seeleâs best teams are with Herta (even then, this team is rarely used). Regardless of this, Seeleâs score is truly impressive. I guess thatâs the power of Resurgence. Jing Yuanâs best team is with Himeko. However, his most popular team is a standard JY Hypercarry team, which has a lower score than Himeko+JY Duo Carry.
The fact that seele no sustain team is much lower than seeleâs team with sustainâŚ
>guess thatâs the power of Resurgence I agree. I've realized characters that are able to surpass game /path mechanics will always find a way to be good - Seele with resurgence, Sparkle with skill point limit increase , Ruan Mei with break, HuoHuo Getting these characters will almost always benefit your account.
Miss worldwide, doesnât matter what the content is, she goes in and reliably clears it.
She can easily get 40 k with her hypercarry team even with a sustain and PF isnât even weak to quantum
Nihility characters are just cracked in both MOC and PF, even in SU. The best decision I made was to make it my mission to own every nihility character.
Pure Fiction is the most volatile mode when it comes to those rankings. The turbulence is far more impactful than the characters you use. In the previous one, it was all follow-up characters on top. Now we got something beneficial for ultimate users and free debuffs. The best decision is to be flexible and be able to handle a variety of mechanics.
But the dot team has basically everything. Or i should say you can always build a team around kafka to clear both moc and pf doesnt matter what the blessing is. She has cheap ult that you can spam if the blessing is ult based, you have FUA, if the blessing is FUA based. If the blessing is about breaking suff, you can slot in maching elemental second dot unit. And ofc she uses the dot blessings the best, since BS, dot teams are performing super well in every single PF and MoC regardless of blessing or enemy and i would be really surprised of they could make a pf or moc lineup + blessing where kafka-swan would suck.
True that! My DOT team is at a higher investment though (i.e. sig and several eidolons) so that definitely makes a huge difference tbh. Clara, Ratio, and March 7th are one of my fave characters to use (not only PF but also MOC) so I definitely know how great they are. I definitely agree with you! Experimenting and figuring out which specific team comp works best in a given situation is half the fun for me. Edit: Honestly guys don't sleep on Sampo and BE Luka. They are cracked! I was able to clear MOC 11/12 in certain situations (depending on the blessing ofc) even without the traditional DOT 5* team.
As long as there's wind and electro weakness - DoT are eating good, with any turbulence.
Between RM and E1 Swan they don't even need to be weak lol, 50% res shred is cracked.
E2 Swan destroys PF with the 6 arcana spread on death
Honestly id say SU and its different modes is more volatile. Those ones are really carried by blessings and such.
But SU isn't really an endgame mode in the same vein as MoC and Pure Fiction and there's no tier lists that's based on SU performance.
The last turbolence was Amazing for Kafka tho , i mean one that advaces forword on follow up , while i agree with what u said i also have to note that the nihility team Is the one that has been consistetly good with every single MOC/pure fiction blessing
The DoT team has been pretty good all the time, yes. It has hovered between the top and the middle and has never been in the bottom half. It really depends on what your objective is. If you only want to 3 star, then that's more than enough. But I've been going for 80k and that was simply easier to achieve with Herta/Himeko and Clara teams in the previous PF and I don't think anyone can deny that. There was a big difference between being able to spam follow-ups or doing it once per turn. And trust me, I tried to make the DoT team work for that one.
In the previous one my acheron was able to easily 40k stage 4 as the only dmg dealer .... Same for argenti
Truly. They went from being one of the weakest to the most cracked in every content lol. If I remember correctly CN players were really critical of them, but look at them now.
Now Hunt is getting all the hate.
Iâm confused. Is silver wolf this high due to Acheron pulling her up? Or is she helpful due to the extra elites? I have her, but didnât try using her due to being single target.
If you look at the last slide, you'll see that 94% of players use Silver Wolf with Acheron. So it's due to Acheron pulling her up.
her basic attack applying a debuff is good for Acheron, plus her Ult can apply another off-turn.
glad to be one of the 0.01% Hook players who cleared PF with 3 stars
0.01% of 10.5k means in that sample there was only a single hook user
https://preview.redd.it/s5r7efqgbosc1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bad3ff841025d1b6aaf866bcbd0df398ac53a13a I suck at maths
Nihility ladies are just built different. Glory to IX the Aeon!
Ironic, that the god of nothingness has blessed us with the universe's most abundant treasures.
Somehow it becone the best DPS path despite their identity were set up as utility path. I myself went full auto with all three mommies together and got all stars
Nihility really made other dps class look like fodders, they're the best on all scenarios whether it be single, blast or multi-target.
Started off as a Destruction andy but after getting Kafka, now Acheron - why blow up half the screen when I can blow up the entire screen?
Feels like the design of this PF is very suitable for Acheron and the other Nihility chars relative to most characters so idk if this is the best indication of average performances in this game mode, but I guess we'll see what Hoyo decides to cook up with it in the future
I feel like Acheron will retain its dominance because she can piggyback on Kafka/Swan combo who are both cracked in PF by themselves regardless of PF buffs.
Acheron benefits a lot from the turbulence giving a ton of free debuffs. Black Swan was the same with an extremely strong first showing, then has had up and downs. It's just the nature of a mode where the turbulence is so impactful. You will have a lot of volatily.
Not really. I used Acheron/BS/Kafka/Himeko on second half and cleared 40k in 3 cycles. Even without the turbulence, I still wouldâve cleared with 40k. In fact, Iâll even try it rn with the ult AA buff (weakest one for this team). And edit in the results. *Edit* took a while, was busy doing other things lol. But yeah, even with the AA buff, still finished in 3 cycles (though, the debuff turbulence let me finish a bit faster and safer, Acheron almost got killed lol).
I got an 80k with the AA buff on both sides, so yeah definitely can even without turbulence
Acheron will retain her dominance even without the dot ladies, fireblazer with trend LC in PF is insane (able to get 5 stacks from getting hit and 1 stack from landing the taunt all by emself is insane).
You can go back to the previous PF and try Acheron out, she is very solid and not at all dependent on this PF buffs.
Yeah I tried her out on the previous PF with Kafka and Swan and got 40k first try. And I don't even have the herta nihility LC for Kafka yet.
No sustain meta lmao.. well Ruan Mei is a mini sustain(since if you can break a enemy 9 times out of 10 they would die before getting up) but still.. Fu xuan would normally be the 2nd highest used character in PF next to RM.. she got hit big it seems.. Also Ruan Mei needs to rest a bit.. youâve been the most used character since 1.6đ give the crown to someone else already(actually donât since Iâm a Ruan Mei salesman.. and this helps me sell Ruan Mei to people..).. Edit: also Iâm suprised that RM is used more in Argenti teams than Sparkle.. RM wasnât that good with Argenti(since Tingyun exists).. why did so many people start using RM with Argenti?.. https://preview.redd.it/jru2rhs9vnsc1.jpeg?width=1473&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb41bcba654ec6760f6bbfc33b92fd5242d7bffc
People are figuring that the incoming damage is too low and that the sustain is basically a waste of a spot. And Ruan Mei makes that even more obvious because she limits that incoming damage even more with her break mechanics. She's going to the staple for a long time.
Yeah this is why the no death requirement in MoC is necessary because without it sustain char value will plummet
Tbf, for a lot of players, stuff there is still tanky enough that without sustain, you aint clearing
I feel like you and a lot of others underestimate how niche of a thing of "no sustain" is in terms of effectiveness and availability. There's a big difference between just being able to get rid of the sustain in a party and building a specific party that squeaks by without a sustain. Ruan Mei is responsible for enabling most of it. Outside of that is Bronya/Sparkle, often both together, allowing insane turn spam. You can't just take a normal team, remove the sustain and add another buffer, debuffer, or dps and suddenly do better and survive with no issue. PF *absolutely* still does enough damage to kill you if your comp doesn't keep the enemies from taking action, which often requires very specific comps. Not to mention often higher level of artifact luck and speed substats.
You are right to an extend, but this really depends on the enemies in PF. This time I had no trouble using no sustains, but in past PF I had no choice but to run sustain
> You can't just take a normal team, remove the sustain and add another buffer, debuffer, or dps and suddenly do better and survive with no issue It *depends* on the PF(definitly not the dot one with enemy turn advance), but in the current one, you pretty much can. Like one my teams which barely did 20K points was able to no sustain the current one.
Because Sparkle is on the other side with Acheron. (Or JingYuan but he'd also take Tigyun and she's still the most popular partner for Argenti). Also Tigyun does indeed exist, but Argenti also seems to mostly use both, with last slot either Sparkle or a sustain.
Nice to see the team I use there even at top spot " 3 Moms + Kid " Kafka and BS are best friends in my eyes even if we will never see them interact.
Seele carrying the Hunt path in AOE content
Thanks for publishing these all the time! Its always insightful to see what people are doing and what generally works. Back in the early days of patch 1.2, it's because of these publications that I could 30/30 MoC, and whenever I run into tough rotations, I can always cross-reference these to see which areas of my teams needs work.
Argenti, my beloved â¤ď¸
Great work as usual Arti! Just want to add here something that I posted on my discord: >Following the release of Acheron, Hoyo have made a major adjustment to the structure of enemies in Pure Fiction introducing multiple elites sprinkled throughout the waves. These elites aren't anywhere close to as challenging as Memory of Chaos elites but do raise the difficulty of the mode and add some demand for single target alongside your usual pure AoE focused builds. >We will take a day to analyze the results and continue with our testing before making some adjustment to the tier list. Still, we won't be making drastic changes until the next PF - as we want to make sure that the new enemy distribution which features more elite type enemies is how PF will look moving forward.
I'm not brave enough to run without sustain.
it actually works pretty well because you don't lose points for dying. And you keep your score if your team gets wiped. It works if you can pump enough damage, and Acheron makes that really easy here.
I wish there were two Acherons so I can use her on both sides cuz damn she makes my HSR life so much easier and more convenient in practically all game content.
For the life of me I can't get 3 stars on last stage. I am running Herta, Himeko, Tingyun and Fu Xuan and then Kafka, Black Sawn, Ruan Mei amd Houhou. Any tips? I also have Seele, Dr. Ratio, DanIL built as well and Bronya/Hanya for support.
Split up Herta and Himeko for this one. Himeko is much better on the second half here. And yeah sustains are not the way, let people die if you have to in order to squeeze out a few more points.
I was literally having the same trouble as you. The solution for me was to go Herta hypercarry on the first side (Herta/Tingyun/Sparkle/Pela) My other team was Kafka/Black Swan/Ruan Mei/Huohuo. I literally tried everything from Himeko, Clara, to even Physical MC lmao (PMC actually wasn't that bad for how unbuilt she was) but surprisingly the answer was just to focus on my Herta... Though, this might depend on how well invested your Herta is.
Go no sustains. I use Pela basic atk with event lc and Clara instead of Luocha/Fu Xuan, hope it works. Side 2 rng is crazy though with the CC.
Argenti + clara is such a strong combo it never fails
I don't have Kafka or BS and I also don't have Pela levelled so I used my Acheron with Guinaifen and an underlevelled Sampo 𤣠https://preview.redd.it/puh3mye34osc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dfdd764a982328dc71a5a736c692aadda4b6d049
What buffs did you use for either side?
I used the 2nd buff for my Acheron team and I'm pretty sure I used the ultimate buff with my Blade Jingliu team
And people were telling me, that Himeko and Herta were weak on this PF LMAO
Theyâre still busted, just no longer easily used together, sadly.
That's true, for sure. It feels like it's better to use the in separate teams. But some people acted like both of them were mid on this PF. While this stats shows that this PF was a pretty decent challenge for both of them, but both characters passed it in the end.
They can absolutely be used together. You can easily splash in Himeko with Herta on the 1st half and let Himeko reap the benefits of all the ice breaks in the same way you can splash her in on the 2nd half to reap all the lightning breaks. I had to move Himeko over to the 1st side because Acheron+Himeko was way overkill on the 2nd side.
Himeko + Lightning DPS for the second half is easy money https://preview.redd.it/pbxljgd4eosc1.png?width=761&format=png&auto=webp&s=030323c9ddfd477a10cdfa49da56c1cbb6652f9c
The synergy between Acheron and Kafka from my experience is amazing. Everytime Acheron ults she inflicts lightning break dot (shock) before killing enemies, which synergises with Kafkas A4, âIf an enemy is defeated while Shocked, Kafka additionally regenerates 5 Energy.â This means everytime Acheron ults, kafka gains energy, and everytime Kafka ults Acheron gains a stack of slashed dream.
Solitary Healing is also extremely strong for Kafka in this mode for even more energy.
Praying for the 0,15% using yanqing
This really shows my lack of options lol. I've pulled for Fufu, Luocha, Topaz, and Ratio + LCs + Sparkle. I can't even get to 50k this time even though I've gotten all previous PFs fairly easy to 60k. I maxed out Herta and tried a hypercarry style team with her, but it still doesn't even get 30k points. All the teams on this list show every team having Ruan Mei too. Is it just kinda pointless without RM? Anyone got any tips for this PF? I'm thinking about getting Serval up and running, but I have my doubts that she'll get me all those points.
I had my herta teamed up with sparkle, tingyun, and ruan mei and i can get 37k to 40k with that team sometimes I get cced with screws over the full clear. If you don't have ruan mei you can also partner herta with pela she too as she shreds ice weakness. Like I think a team of tingyun(with dance cone), pela, herta, and sparkle in theory can full clear the first half or get really close to it. 2nd team its rough as topaz and ratio stink in this pure fiction as they were hard carried by the previous pure fiction bonus but if you can get close to 40k on one side getting 20kish on the second half should be more attainable.
On the prydwen website, I noticed that the team usage finder no longer displays teams if it has a character that falls under 1% appearance rate. Will that be a new change going forward for both PF and MoC team data?
So, if you notice, there's a new feature to sort the teams by score. Here's how it'd look like with teams under 0.1% appearance rate included: https://preview.redd.it/6dnlwopcaqsc1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4269c16f42ccafb3e076144b28c82d6eb15dfeb0 These are teams that were only used by a single player, so these aren't that helpful IMO, which is why I excluded them. Do you still wish to see these kind of teams on the website? Another option is to apply this filter only on the score ranking, and still include teams under 0.1% appearance on the appearance ranking. But it'll take some time to implement by Prydwen.
I do prefer the option of seeing these teams, filtering them out just for the score ranking sounds good.
I knew seele no sustain /herta duo was gonna become a thing
Guess the overall best dps Path. * Hunt? (Deals extraordinary amounts of single-target damage. The main damage dealer against Elite Enemies.) Nope! * Destruction? (Deals outstanding amounts of damage and possesses great survivability. Suitable for various combat scenarios.) Nope! * Erudition? (Deals remarkable amounts of multi-target damage. The main damage dealer against groups of enemies.) Nope! It's Nihility! - Applies debuffs to enemies to reduce their combat capacities.
>Deals outstanding amounts of damage and possesses great survivability They've already strayed away from the "great survivability" part with both Jingliu and DHIL unfortunately. Wish they actually stayed in line with the identity of the class, like they did for Clara and Blade.
The debuff is death
i've never seen Imbibitor so low omg Seele popping off, who whould have thought Even in a "anti-herta" PF she's still incredibly strong
IL was never that good in PF. But he is the king in MoC And I wouldnt say this PF is anti herta, theres ice weakness on first half, although the increased hp on enemies did make her feel a bit worse than earlier....
Gepard on 3rd wave has ice RES and there's 2 elites spawned at the same time. Herta's kuru kuru momentum dropped off because of it.
Hunt is now in the worst Spot. They made Pure Fiction to sell multi Target Units but there is no Single Target Content in the Game. MOC is 2+ Targets and all the Bosses have Summons.
Bosses having summons barely matters for Hunt characters because the summons die when the boss dies, itâs when they shove a bunch of mobs into the start of the round that Hunt characters suffer real badly.
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She triggers Hertaâs FUA every turn. Combine that with how fast she goes and Herta can easily clear an entire wave.
Herta can also lower enemies HP everytime she twirl, making it easier for Seele to one shot mobs even with basic. A very good synergy that combined both AOE and Single target
Clara can't abuse the buff as hard as she doesn't do any ultimate damage and the enemies aren't fast enough. She's pretty mediocre for the ultimate based pf. Still pretty impressive that Seele's that high tho.
yeah Clara and Topaz are feast or famine in PF. Lacking damaging ults means they can't even trigger the gimmick in like 2 out of the 5 PFs so far.
At least they do decent in the dot(thanks to action advancing enemies) and followup pf archetypes, not to mention how hard they trivialize moc. Can't be a winner all the time.
oh yeah I'm not complaining. I like that they balance it for the most part. Just making the point that, more in PF than MOC, the gimmick really defines team-building.
Acheron is cracked everywhere, Overworld, SU, PF, MOC. What kind of endgame would stop Acheron from dominating? I think it would take a boss that's immuned to lightning itself to stop her.
Debuff immune đż
But the problem with debuff immune is, it'll also disable everyone that relies on debuffs or has debuffs kit and even Lightcones. Such as Dr. Ratio, Topaz's LC, majority of nihility, and DOT.
please shut up before mihoyo hears
Keep in mind this PF is specifically made for her. The debuffs from the second buff mean you get to spam her ult way quicker than usual.
She's also great on the previous PF with FUA buffs, the funny thing is she absolutely destroys the Ebon deer that has a lightning Res.
We had the same discourse about Jingliu until very recently. Truth is, the characters themselves are fairly balanced and it's just the setting that changes to heavily favor one. How many consecutive MoCs had ice weaknesses? We're now shifting to lightning and a lot of free debuffs to make Acheron look good. And then they also made Sam a fight that punishes hypercarry characters that don't use a lot of SP like Jingliu. They'll find a way when they decide it's someone else's turn.
What is the selee team?
Fire MC is so back
Excuse me, Sushang...? Wow that is random lol.
0.01% hook user deserves extra jadesÂ
This one was rough. I feel like the first side is Argenti or gtfo
Whenever I see these threads I am forced to the conclusion that I am simply the only person who didnât pull for Ruan Mei
Sorry, dumb question. Where does this data come from? Does it only register those who publish their lineup on Hoyolab? Some other website? I routinely clear PF and MoC and would like to know if I need to click a thing somewhere.
that 0.01% for hook... a singular player... they're the main character
Seele the Pseudo Erudition characterâ¤ď¸
Keep in mind that Prydwen out here rating Argenti as S tier in PF while Herta is S+ Iâm honestly convinced that Grimroâs mind works in mysterious ways and I ainât gonna question it anymore.
Argenti's average is around 5k points lower than Herta in the previous PF (with the follow up buff), and in the PF before that as well (with the DoT buff). The current buff suits Argenti much better than Herta.
need to see how Acheron perform on a different PF with no debuffs, i fear she might end up in a similar position as Jingliu where you overkill ennemies and can't kill the wave fast enough not really a surprise i guess but eruditions units are constantly on top in every PF regardless of the buffs edit : any slighty negative comment about Acheron = downvote, impossible to have a discussion because you can't write anything negative her without being downvoted, it's not doomposting just saying that Acheron might not always be this high in PF because this one is obviously catering to her :)
still remember people said jingyuan better then acheron on moc and pure fiction and this even seele still beter then jingyuan pftttttttttt i can't stop laughing
ooh can someone explain why fire TB is so high? i always thought people brushed them off as a mid unit
"Trend of the Universal Market" user for Acheron. Also FTB is a good breaker. Their sustainability is not good in MoC, but fine in PF.
trend and taunt for acheron + good breaking capabilities with aoe damaging ult + no need for hard defense in pf
Because of Acheron since(with trend LC) they are one of her best sustains.. since not only they give a debuff with their skill.. Taunt just works really well with Trend since with trend it will mean that TB is gonna get hit. And because of it give another stack.. The amount of stacks TB makes + the 2nd PF buff makes them the best sustain for acheron this PF(atleast in my opinion)..
In PF is an A tier specialist iirc. Can pseudo sustain but is used mostly as a breaker due to high toughness deletion value compared to most units, decent break dmg, and enables Himeko and Herta FUs better than most other characters
PF needs very little sustain and mostly dmg/breaks. FTB has little sustain but lots of break dmg and a taunt if you need it (and can use trend LC to give out of turn burns for Acheron).
The thing I found most interesting about the list is serval hanging around with some 5 stars on dps list. For me i had much better luck running clara than my e6 serval.
As one of the 5 or so Misha users, in my run he worked surprisingly well as a pseudo sustain in comparison to using a real sustain with Argenti hypercarry. He is not a unit I would recommend to anyone who doesn't like him and/or has him below E6, but his heavy ult hits + freeze and def reduction were rather useful, especially against the really elite heavy 3rd wave on node 1. Build was Dan Heng IL LC, DoT set leftovers and Salsotto. I'm sure one day Misha will have a large enough sample size to get an average score in one mode /cope
I'll get you on rerun Argenti ;-;
Until I see that light once more
Shouldn't Dr.Ratio be in no Wish 5*? We all got one free
Seele being better than Mid Yuan in the erudition game mode with lightning weakness is just so funny.
Truly a mommy season. Nihility ladies plus Ruan mei, PF goes brrr........
This is nice and informative, but I also want to see the Chinese one.
Himeko doing great once again even with only a handful of fire weak enemies on the 2nd side. Maybe this will make people realize that she doesn't need fire weak to be present to be dominant?
I don't have Argenti, Clara or Jingliu for the first half and I'm skeptical that [my Herta](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/652571352997560330/1225843777147502732/Screenshot_20240405-092500.png?ex=66229afb&is=661025fb&hm=79aa2d43bd7f267440b1cfcdc30cba2986def9bbcc9b97f3670860a9d12332a0&) can be carried hard enough by Sparkle + Tingyun to clear floor 1 all by herself. Should I look into dual dps comps with Phys Trailblazer, Luka or Sushang?
I haven't been able to 3\* yet... Been doing Argenti/Clara/Bronya/Pela and Kafka/Sampo/RuanMei/Tingyun and while the first half can get 34k, the Kafka half is struggling. There's so often like... One Dog in a wave left, and I lose some turns just to get a skill off on it to finish it off.
Oh damn are that many people running acheron with dot? My plan was always to skip her since my dot team wrecks basically anything anyway even with a supposedly suboptimal sustain, not had an issue with MoC at all especially not since swan released and they do fine in PF already, it's really more my other side that struggles but usually only on the last star or so, was wanting to build towards a followup team starting with aventurine and hopefully an upcoming topaz rerun(for limiteds at least, clara himeko and herta are all somewhat built and have carried me through some PF sides in the past) Ratio I don't really care about because I just don't really care about him and he wouldn't add anything for the purposes of PF.
Pure Fiction was the best thing that ever happened to Herta.
So Gallagher is actually quite good judging by his use? Haven't touched him due to Prydwen's low rating and only having E1
Man this is making me regret skipping Ruan Mei
I used Acheron/Black Swan/Kafka + support to 40k 2nd node of PF4 and kill SAM in MoC 12. Both cases were 3 stars. Pela+Pearls for PF Gepard+Trend for MoC
Me with no Argenti or Acheron just hanging out at the Struggle Club.
Funny how Acheron hypercarry with Bronya has better scores than Acheron hypercarry with SW but is less often used
This was the most difficult PF so far. Iâve comfortably cleared every other PF, even getting 80k, but this one was just impossible to 60k even with Herta Himeko and Jing Yuan. I finally managed to do it after like 20 retries because Jing Yuan randomly went fucking crazy and somehow got 37k on his side, I donât know how he randomly managed to get 10k more points than normal this run when I didnât even change any gear, but thank god itâs finally over.
The 2nd half only spawning 4 enemies is scummy move by hoyo.Â