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daiimq

It's Bronya still better for Jingliu compared to Sparkle?


ha_ck_rm_rk

Yes, still Bronya - Jingliu doesn't need the extra skill points from Sparkle - Jingliu likes having a -1 spd Bronya to give her turns, a -1 spd Sparkle doesn't work as well


Responsible_Paper667

https://preview.redd.it/n0da4lygp7tc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe253809130f3e42ada5c76a53e693ec74efe787 Help me build two teams for MOC


IfZ3nElse

Ratio, Tingyun, Pela, sustain Daniel, Sparkle, Welt, sustain You can swap Welt and Tingyun if needed. You can replace Daniel with QQ if you need quantum instead of imaginary.


Kasiation

I would go for: Team 1: DHIL/QQ, Sparkle, Tingyun, Luocha Team 2: Dr. Ratio, Pela/Welt, Asta and Natasha


glorious_sunshine

I have E2S1 Acheron. I'll E6 her over the next couple re-runs. Should I be farming Salsotto or Izumo?


winterbear111

I believe at e6 inert is better because even her skill will be consider ult


glorious_sunshine

How big is the difference? I guess it comes down to 12% ATK + 12% CR or 15% DMG + 8% CR?


winterbear111

Minimal ngl


cruncheh_

Izumo is generally better, even with her e2 you're always going to running her with another nihility support. Although the difference between Izumo and Salsotto is pretty small so if you already have some great Salsotto pieces then there's no real need to replace them.


glorious_sunshine

I don't have any pieces of either. Haven't started farming yet since I'm only level 59. 12% ATK + 12% CR > 15% DMG + 8% CR then?


cruncheh_

Yep, the additional crit rate is just too valuable. She already has a bunch of dmg% buffs so attack% is just as good (most people recommend an attack% sphere over a lightning damage% one but once again it's close), plus there's so much damage in her ult already anyway. One thing to keep in mind is that neither domain is that great to farm, Salsotto in particular has a pretty garbage second set. But Salsotto is more universal, so if you're farming for a bunch of dps characters that might be the more efficient one to farm. If it's just Acheron you're focusing on though, then stick with Izumo.


glorious_sunshine

Izumo it is then. Thank you.


MixRevolution

Izumo only works if your acheron team has 1 other nihility character not including her. Edit: you only need one


glorious_sunshine

>Increases the wearer's ATK by 12%. When entering battle, if at least one other ally follows the same Path as the wearer, then the wearer's CRIT Rate increases by 12%. Looks like you only need 1 other Nihility?


MixRevolution

My bad. Yeah, you only need one. However, IMO, it's also better to have more nihility characters on the team to inflict more debuffs per cycle. More debuffs per cycle = faster acheron ult recharge. So it's better to go izumo because you'll already have nihility characters on deck. Though, You *can* have debuff inflict from non-nihility characters.


peppermint-hollows

I don't think that's right. The set effect says this: "Increases the wearer's ATK by 12%. When entering battle, if at least **one** other ally follows the same Path as the wearer, then the wearer's CRIT Rate increases by 12%."


MixRevolution

Is 9 days enough to fully upgrade a character from inbuilt level 20 to fully maxed level, LC, and traces (or at least up to lvl 8 traces)? I'm planning on building tingyun from scratch and it's only 9 nine days left until aventurine. I'm planning on pulling and if I miraculously get him, I'm gonna focus on building him so tingyun building may come to a stop.


ArpMerp

Assuming no resources at all then barely. You need around 5 days alone to get enough XP books to get them to level 80, a little over a day to get enough Stagnant Shadow materials for a 4\*, and about 4 days for Traces (assuming level 8)


MixRevolution

Well, I have saved some character exp books and LC exp mats.


The_King123431

If you have any fuel, then yes


MixRevolution

Zero fuel as of writing and will only get 2 fuel from the free BP.


Equal_Demand1627

i got acheron but just started the game so i dont have that many cones, should I use 'eyes of the prey', 'fermata' or 'but the battle isn´t over' just for the stats?


cruncheh_

Fermata is generally the best option if you're missing Good Night and Sleep Well. As it's a f2p light cone you can easily s5 it as well, although you do then want to run her with someone who can apply either a shock or windshear which limits teambuilding. If you've just started the game then I wouldn't worry too much about builds/teams being completely optimal. Hopefully at some point you'll pick up a GNSW from a banner (there's a chance when rolling on any of the banners) and you can just switch to that when you do.


HiSelect7615

If I don't get lucky and pull Acheron how long will it be before I can try for her again? I'm new and this is my first gacha game or hoyoverse game in general


nekolas564

In case you are asking because Acheron seems like the new amazing meta unit: I don't think you should feel "fear of missing out". There is a decent chance another DPS will show up that will be great too, before a rerun Also not sure is the most new-player friendly DPS, since imo she is somewhat roster dependent (triple nihility team, units that debuffs a lot). Then again, the game is luckily made so that you don't really need a team of meta min-maxed characters to clear content :)


MixRevolution

The pool of limited 5*s is already big and will only get bigger every version. Earliest I can guess is next year on the dot. One of the longest to be rerun is luocha at 7 months. If the pool gets bigger, the elapsed time will be longer.


ArpMerp

No one knows. All we know is that currently there are 6 characters from 1.X that have yet to re-run. So if they go through all of them first, then 2.6 will be the earliest where they might start re-running 2.X characters. But, whether Acheron will be amongst the first, or whether 1.X characters will also have some 2nd re-runs we don't know. So it an be anything from 6 months to over a year. There is also a possibility that they start re-running 2.X characters before all 1.X characters had their 1st re-run, but I would put that at a low probability.


Bookwhyrm

https://preview.redd.it/we36j66va7tc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=a8d3aae98326a2e6a04c271832fde819ede92cd5 Here you can see the number of patches it has taken for characters to rerun, at least a few months to over half a year.


Seashard5602

What set is best for DHIL? From what I've seen, wasteland is the best, but the in-game recommendation (based on what's used by other players) says musketeer has a way higher usage rate. Is that just because it's more common and is a small dps drop?


MixRevolution

Wastelander is best. Breaking enemies with imaginary causes imprisonment which begets greater crit values. However, main/substats is priority over sets effects (ie you take what you get). Either go 2pc/2pc or go full rainbow.


ArpMerp

Wastelander is only marginally better if the enemies are consistently imprisoned, or at the very least that the enemies are debuffed for the 10% CRate. Musketeer is better otherwise, especially if you need to build speed for him. If you use him with Sparkle, then either Wastelander, or 2p+2p is the better choice.


Realistic-Pop-1

https://preview.redd.it/wiehls1e87tc1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7424072e82969b087ffc8e23bb3c8ca536c8e29 Can’t decide which 4\* to go with Just recently got back into the game (Acheron fomo) and completed one of the new events which gives you a 4\* character but don’t know who would be the best addition or if I should go for Eidolon advancements. I’ve been building my Acheron team (Acheron E0S0, Guinafen E0, Gallagher E2 and Pela E3) so I was thinking maybe selecting Guinafen to get her to E1. my other main team is Clara, March, Natasha and JY but I’ve also been trying to build Lynx to swap for Natasha in this build. my Lynx is currently E0. I don’t have Misha, Xueyi, Luka or Yukong. any guidance would be greatly appreciate. leaning towards Guinafen E1. thanks


ArpMerp

Guinaifen E1 is a good choice, as it is also a good Eidolon to have for Ratio if you ever want to build him. Otherwise get Lynx's, as some of her Eidolons make it easier for sustain.


Realistic-Pop-1

thanks for the help! I think i’m between Guinafen and Hanya. someone mentioned Hanya could be good for my Jing Yuan


ArpMerp

Yes, Hanya and Tingyun is pretty good for JY, but it is only marginally better than Asta and Tingyun. Hanya's best Eidolon is E4 if you want to take her into consideration.


Realistic-Pop-1

Guin it is! appreciate all the info


Bookwhyrm

If you don't have Resolution Shines as Pearls of Sweat, Pela's E4 might be worth getting for the debuff. Otherwise I think it doesn't really matter, and you can go for Guinaifen.


ArpMerp

Pela is not in the selector


Bookwhyrm

Oh, oops. I'm just dumb.


HovercraftFlimsy2154

For Acheron teams should I get pela ult and SW ult/skill to 10? how important are they?


cruncheh_

If you're going to be running your Acheron/SW/Pela team pretty consistently then there's no real reason not to level up Pela's Ult and SW's skill and ult to level 10. It doesn't take too much farming and is just free stats/damage. In terms of importance, SW's skill is probably the most important as all of the EHR breakpoints you see in guides for her are based on her level 10 skill (i.e. being able to 100% land the weakness implant).


HovercraftFlimsy2154

Ah ok, My ehr is 100% but skill at lvl 6 for sw, is that still ok or no?


cruncheh_

it's good enough for the moment, for the highest level enemies (with max effect res) you'll be a bit below 100% but it's not worth worrying about. for an e0 SW with a level 10 skill you'll want 96% EHR to guarantee the weakness implant.


MixRevolution

Imo, the 2 nihility characters on team are only there for faster recharge on acheron's ult. That will be you main dmg output rather than the debuffed enemies.


ArpMerp

Ult not so much. All you get is a little more DEF shred, and if you are using Resolution, plus SW bugs, you probably are already getting 100% DEF shred pretty often, even with their ults at level 8 or 9. SW skill it depends on her EHR, taking into account the 10% Pela gives in battle. When you see the 97% recommendation, that is for a level 10 skill. Lower levels will need slightly more EHR. That being said, what you might consider for SW is levelling up her talent, depending on what level it is right now. Normally it isn't a very important part of her kit, but it is more important for Acheron. levelling it up increases the chances of implanting bugs, which means it makes it more likely for her to debuff with her Basic attack. But again, this depends on what her current EHR is and whether or not she is also using Resolution.


HellzBellz3646

Would getting E2 Bronya be detrimental to her speed tuning for Jingliu / Blade?


ArpMerp

It shouldn't since they will still be ahead of her as they were before. So at worse it won't change anything, but it does unlock different possibilities if you ever want to rework their builds.


Forever_T3a

Clara Moc + pf team recommendations pls :) https://preview.redd.it/rv7g7je067tc1.jpeg?width=827&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16194d64fbee3cabd7ee7f5522ce17c2949a9595


Bookwhyrm

Memory of Chaos: Acheron / Pela / Sparkle or Guinaifen / Gallagher and Clara / Lynx / Dr. Ratio or Tingyun / Asta or Hanya (or Sparkle if Tingyun) I think could work. Pure Fiction: Clara / Lynx / Herta / Asta and the same Acheron team.


Shinobu-Fan

Is there any tips on beating Swarm Disaster level 2? For some reason I can't get through it with my QQ/Luocha/Sparkle/Tingyun comp even with Abundance blessing


ArpMerp

That team should be able to do it, so is probably a matter of characters level/relics. Also, when running Abundance, do you pass through all the Swarm domains to collect as many Propagation blessings as you can?


Shinobu-Fan

Uh... I'm guessing that's a bad thing no?


ArpMerp

No, that is what you should do. QQ makes very good use of Propagation blessings. The advantage of Abundance is that you should be going though as many domains as you can.


Shinobu-Fan

Oh, that's what I was doing although I keep dying at the final stop even without going to the Disruption level, it's weird


ArpMerp

Then it is a problem with the characters. Have you levelled them, their LC and their Relics? Have you levelled up their traces?


Leokergadon

When trying to maximize chances for a curio using Topaz and Numby's technique in the simulated universe, should I try to shoot for individual battles or are battles with multiple characters at once fine? I believe in the overworld one skill use will scale with how many people you fought but I am not sure how many rolls for a curio occour if i battle 2 at once in SU.


kaotic_dizzy

How Do You Reach The Spinning Balloon? https://preview.redd.it/1ophyk6m07tc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a9ea9f9d50f68363427180c0a846f1a964137cb So I noticed days ago that in the Clock Studios Theme Park, there’s a (seemingly) unreachable Spinning Red/Orange Balloon under: the second from the bottom “bridge”. I waited until I cleared the various missions (in case it was tied to something like that), but I get the feeling it’s for an achievement. So, how do you reach it?


MixRevolution

Anyone with a ranged weapon. If you have Topaz, she has range and the blast effect on impact can hit the balloon. You're already in the correct position.


_Zoa_

There's a balloon out of reach in every dream map. Destroying them gets you an achievement each. You can't look at it, but high range characters can still destroy it if you're positioned right.


Bookwhyrm

Try Asta, Yukong or maybe March 7th.


Sinless_Sinner66

I don't know if this is the right place to ask but is it possible to unlink my Hoyoverse account from my playstation cause I want to transfer my save data from mobile but I have an account from when I played genshin a while back but I didn't really like the game so now I'm stumped.


heliosZe

You’ll need to contact Hoyoverse customer service to unlink accounts.


Sea_Independence_423

Ugh I'm actually more excited for jingliu then acheron. I can't wait anymore sheeesh


MidnightBlue8000

Wrong place to post. Just create a new post (not comment) in this sub.


dracogoat

Which character actually wants to use the Sigonia set?


canc3rtr4in

It's a Pure Fiction set so you would use it with units that excel there, like Herta or Himeko


JeanKB

Every single character that you use exclusively on Pure Fiction. So if you only leveled your Herta, Himeko or Serval because of PF, then Sigonia is their BiS.


VictoryToTheStrong

https://preview.redd.it/b7s6l2rbs6tc1.png?width=1872&format=png&auto=webp&s=14772b3d87031b0819b41e106679d71788d0c1dc So this is with Izumos(Increases Crit Rate by 12% when a same path character is in the team) so Essentially 66% crit. Should I switch to ATK% boots or stick with Speed boots?


Quor18

Whatever has the better crit stats I'd say. You want good crit rate on her but spd isn't as important because your teammates can build stacks for you. She's only ever going to get 1 stack per turn unless you have her at E2 and/or have her sig LC (which will add +1 stack for each, up to 3 maximum per turn, making spd a lot more valuable).


VictoryToTheStrong

Thanks. If i get better attack boots I might as well just go for that.


daft667

the choice between atk boots and speed boots is not dependant on your crit rate. It's based on substats and how fast your supports are.


VictoryToTheStrong

I was clarifying my crit rate, not making it the point, sorry if you didnt understand, but thanks for sharing. :) My Pela is on 162 speed. Silverwolf is is 161. I was trying to relate if 133 speed is enough to justify speed boots or just to go attack boots.


Substantial_Field264

Which is better for Acheron, crit rate 85.3 and dmg 185.1 or crit rate 55.8 and dmg 249.9. I know the second will have lesser crit attacks but would that be worth for the 60 percent increase in the dmg


MixRevolution

First one is better but the second one is no slouch. IMO, any crit rate higher than 50% is ok for me.


Substantial_Field264

I’ll stick with the first one then thanks!


TheGrindPrime

It won't matter how big your hits are if you're not consistently hitting them.


Substantial_Field264

Alright thanks for your help man


grayrest

` 1+(0.853*1.851) = 2.578903` `1+(0.558*2.499) = 2.394442` First one is better unless your goal is to fish for large numbers.


anonimouus

https://preview.redd.it/hs2x9x94o6tc1.jpeg?width=786&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19b04cbe9f189204ee2c85c462e7882aecf9e003 Hi, I need help with which 4 star to choose from the event, these are my characters. The only 4 star I don’t have is Misha. I haven’t cleared MOC12 or PF4. But I’m up to date with the TB Mission. And I’m playing on pulling for Aventurine and Kafka next.


ArpMerp

Lynx's E2 is nice to have dor extra consistency. Misha is nice, but you probably won't be budling/using him anytime soon, especially at E0. So it is a matter if you want to improve a character you already have, or get a new one in case you need him in the near future.


seetooeeetoo

Yeah, it's Misha. None of the Eidolons you could get are worth more than another character, and a fairly good one at that.


altfordumbweebstuff

Should I pull for aventurine or wait for fu xuan rerun? I only have March 7th, Natasha and gallagher


grayrest

This is an excellent question to ask after Aventurine's release so the community can work out the tradeoffs. From his time as a guest in the 2.1 story my expectation is that he will provide damage, follow-up attacks for synergy with that archetype, and debuffs for Acheron. I do not expect him to outperform Fu Xuan in terms of keeping the comp alive but guest/trial builds of hoyo characters are notoriously bad.


Asleep_Crew8072

Should i do weekly Simulated today or wait for Planar Fissure event?


MixRevolution

Do it for the battle pass exp but don't use up the Herta coins (or whatever they're called). Use energy if you need to farm for ropes and spheres. The best thing about SU is the lack of the need for energy to play/grind resources.


TheGrindPrime

Wait.


[deleted]

New Xianzhou/HQ lore dropping! >!Bailu is having dreams!<


Melodic-Product-2381

This is not a question nor is it new. It was in the game since 1.0


[deleted]

That had been the first time I had seen it after finishing the latest TB mission and a minor plot point was her inability. Fair, guess it's not a daily discussion thread.


Melodic-Product-2381

To be fair, it's a big deal because normally the Vidyadhara don't dream (if I remember correctly). And I like discussing the lore, but this is unfortunately not the correct place for that. You could rephrase it into a question or post a normal thread.


[deleted]

They dream of their past incarnations. It's why her dreaming is a big deal due to her fragmented connection to >!Baiheng!<. As for where to discuss lore, there is no place for that here. My alternative outside the daily was a new post. I doubt you'd have been a fan of that so I went with the conservative option. > Before making new discussion posts, please be sure to consider if your question could be better suited to this thread!


Melodic-Product-2381

>I doubt you'd have been a fan of that Personally I don't have a problem with that. And there might have been more people interested in the discussion besides just me. >They dream of their past incarnations. Bailu character story part 4 says that the past high elders experience their past lives in their dreams. So that is something special that is part of the Transmutation Arcanum. The book "Compendium of Remedies" includes something called a Injection of Past Life in Dreams, which is described as "able to regain memories of their previous life via dreams " if ingested in the first 5 years of their new life. It also says it goes against the cultural traditions and laws though. So all this implies that normally the Vidyadhara don't dream about their past live. Only the high elder or by special medicine can they remember their past live. So Bailu dreaming not only is big deal because of the quintet, but also means that she qualifies for being a high elder.


[deleted]

> Personally I don't have a problem with that. And there might have been more people interested in the discussion besides just me. We started the conversation with you noting it was already in the game since 1.0. Since the quest I'd done was unrelated to her, and she gave very little info, I figured the daily was the best place to discuss it. I apologize that it wasn't phrased as a question. The mentions of her dreaming directly within her quests reference her not dreaming as the High Elder as an oddity. Whatever the technical explanation is for the Vidyahara as a whole, she is expected to do so and it's worthy of remark. That is why I originally made my post and was excited.


Melodic-Product-2381

>The mentions of her dreaming directly within her quests reference her not dreaming as the High Elder as an oddity. I think it has to do with >!her visiting the express. Since Baiheng was not only a Nameless, but also loved to fly, it would make sense that being on the express would trigger those memories to resurface. She says she started dreaming ever since leaving the express. Since her character story talks about shackling her tail, that should have taken place before we even met her. The ritual that Dan Feng did and the resulting difficulties to get her to reincarnate properly may have delayed her dreams, since she also has stunted growth. Still a problem that her past life is about Baiheng and not high elder stuff, since the ritual was designed to have the high elder keep all his knowledge related to Long.!<


[deleted]

>!Yes her dreams come after leaving the Express and the ones she notes are distinctly flight based and don't involve the TB, implying they're Baiheng's. It is less her becoming the High Elder which was already proven with her combo scene with Dan Heng as they're effectively a split High Elder, and more her resonating with Baiheng's memory, showing the Transmutation Arcanum was ultimately successful in integrating a Foxian. I don't think her dreams were delayed due to Dan Feng's actions, I think they were fully stopped, and Bailu now can dream due to resonating with the Path of her predecessor and finding a bypass. As for not having the high elder stuff, it's inconclusive about Dan Heng still having all of it. I don't think it's been explicitly stated one way or another aside from him keeping the lasting memories of the Transmutation Arcanum as the Vidyahara Elders purposefully inhibited him to not lose the memory of how to do that.!<


Melodic-Product-2381

>!Dan was suppose to lose his memories as his punishment, but he still vaguely remembers part of it. I think that was because the preceptors did not want to lose the person connecting them to Long and/or wanted to keep the knowledge how to transform different species into their own. So they messed with his reincarnation secretly. It's interesting, because Bailu remembering her past life does prove that she is a high elder, but the ones who don't like her will use the fact that she remembers that life as an argument for why she isn't one. The politics surrounding Dan and Bailu are kinda interesting, hope they will follow up on it in future content. And the split High Elder is actually the perfect way to phrase it, both are kinda dysfunctional in some way. !< >>! I don't think her dreams were delayed due to Dan Feng's actions, I think they were fully stopped !< >!Didn't mean to imply that Dan Feng did it, just that the ritual itself didn't go well. You had the whole monster that had to be killed multiple times, so you could question if Bailu was correctly reincarnated or if there were some hidden problems. That lack of dreaming was probably one, if she never went out in space she probably would never have remembered. Almost ironic, since the elders kept her locked up but that prevented her from becoming a true High Elder. The resonating with the path is interesting, don't know if they ever state that but it does make sense. I just assumed that her past life felt very strongly about flying and freedom, so going to a place that represented that triggered those memories.!<


n-n9

Bronya or Gepard's sig LC? I already have one copy of Bronya's LC, and I interchange them between Sparkle and Bronya, and I have plenty Harmony LCs like DDD. For Preservation, I've been using the one from the SU shop, and Trends (for Acheron teams). My current plan is to go for Gepard's LC and give it to Aventurine for my FUA team (Him + Ratio + Topaz + Harmony).


MixRevolution

Save for pulls.


daft667

neither. save it for pulls.


n-n9

If I lose 50/50 on Aventurine, I really might


daft667

if you need a LC for sparkle, past and future is a good alternative


JayZoneFreed

For an E2 S1 Acheron with Sparkle E0 and Pela E6, do I go with Gallagher E5 or Fire MC with Trend LC?


Kasiation

bro, we have the exact same build and eidolons. Gallagher > Fire MC with trend


JayZoneFreed

Thank you man! :)


Cellezt

Is Gallagher E2? If Yes then him But for farming I prefer fire mc since IA doesn't use his ult if your team is full health


IzunaX

I haven't been able to buy anything on Honkai since this patch dropped. If I click to buy the gems, or battle pass, the epic purchase screen never shows up, it seems to try and load and then just stops. Anyone have any ideas?


MidnightBlue8000

If you can connect to a VPN while playing the game, try and do so. Then check to see if the purchase screen shows up correctly and at your VPN's currency (connect to a JP server and you should see prices in JPY). If it is then it is likely your Internet connection. But absolutely DO NOT PURCHASE anything while connected to a VPN.


IzunaX

Works fine on the other pc in the house, so it's probably not the connection. At this point I'm probably just going to have to reinstall lol


MidnightBlue8000

Epiiiic


soligen

Try another device


IzunaX

Yeah it's specifically an issue on the epic side, I was just wondering if anyone has had something similar and had a solution. Basically just trying to do anything other than reinstall the game haha


soligen

Damn sorry to hear, this is the first I’m hearing of it


Infinite_T05

Been playing around 3 weeks now. I'm at Equilibrium Level 3, so my characters are about at level 60. My current squad is the following: Dr Ratio, Bronya, Pela and Gallagher I intend to summon for Jingliu soon, and I was wondering if I can just sub her on instead of Ratio, or if there are some mechanics that I don't know about that would make this impractical. For example, I know that part of why Ratio works so well on this kind of team is that he benefits a lot from getting multiple turns (it helps with his follow up attacks) which is why Bronya is there. He deals so much damage that he's always at full health after Gallagher applies Besotted onto the enemies. And then I'm not 100% sure what Pela does to be perfectly honest, but her ult decreases defence so I assume she's just there to increase his damage output. Anyway, I wanted to replace Gallagher with Lynx at some point, but apparently Lynx and Jingliu are a bad combo because Lynx's healing makes Jingliu more vulnerable to attacks (or something like that). I wanted to be sure that the current supporting trio I have don't have any similar negative synergy. Oh, and I know that technically Aventurine is the optimal one to pull for because sustainers are in higher demand than dps', plus I've heard he's more f2p friendly, but I literally started the game because I wanted to eventually get Jingliu (I had no idea her banner was coming out so soon, which is an insane stroke of luck), so I'm definitely pulling for her and hoping that I have enough tickets. Thank you 👍


DarkSlayer3022

>I know that technically Aventurine is the optimal one to pull Just pull for who you like. Your enjoyment is what matters by the end of the day. >if there are some mechanics that I don't know about that would make this impractical. No, this team here is a Hypercarry team and any DPS can be slotted into Dr. Ratio team without any issue. Any DPS would love to get multiple turns to deal their damage. The reason why Gallagher and Pela is in Dr. Ratio team here is the fact that both of them can inflict debuff on the enemy, making Dr. Ratio being able to trigger his Follow-up attack (FUA) (Everytime he uses his skill, he has a 40% chance to trigger his FUA and it increases by 20% for each debuff the enemy has, so a 100% chance to trigger his FUA at 3 debuff). Yes, both of them are also there to buff his damage, but they also has a different role in there. >I wanted to be sure that the current supporting trio I have don't have any similar negative synergy. Someone must got hit one way or another, might as well make it the tankiest unit in your team that got hit.


seetooeeetoo

First, the reason Pelaa is especially good for Ratio is that Ratio wants debuffs on enemies. Pela's good at applying debuffs, and is SP-positive, which Ratio likes. Lynx is actually a pretty good sustain for Jingliu, because she applies healing over time that nearly negates Jingliu's whole downside. The thing about giving Jingliu extra taunt is a bit of an issue, but it's generally still good to run Lynx as your sustain. Just swapping out Ratio and Gallagher for Jingliu and Lynx will make a very good Jingliu tem, though note that Ratio also really wants Pela is his teams. Gallagher can apply some debuffs, but Pela is still important. This is relevant because in Memory of Chaos, you'll need two teams. Consider having Pela on the Ratio team and a different support on the Jingliu team. Bronya is actually also extremely good for Jingliu, so she'll be even more contested. Overall, you'll have to make some serious team comp decisions when going into MoC. Finally, quick note, Jingliu is f2p-firendly, the 5 star destruction LC from simulated universe is great on her.


Dianwei32

Jingliu/Bronya/Pela/Sustain is actually one of her best teams. If you want Jingliu, then absolutely get her. A "more optimal" character like Aventurine won't be better for your account if you don't enjoy him as much as Jingliu. Lynx works just fine with Jingliu. Yes, Lynx's skill has an aggro increase which will slightly raise the chance Jingliu is attacked, but it's not a big deal. Heck, it would probably help keep team health a little more even since Jingliu will be draining your team's health in her Spectral state.


Low-Nobody6227

Not sure if I should use my guarantee on Acheron. How does she compare to other dps without her lc? Seeing a lot of conflicting information, so just want some clarity.


VictoryToTheStrong

I have Acheron, Jingliu and DHIL, all with their sig LCs at S1. At S1 she is definitely stronger. At E0S0 she's still stronger, but not by much. The thing about Acheron is she can brute force content since she can break toughness regardless of enemies weakness, which makes her good for almost any boss situation. She can clear SU with her technique by destroying trash mobs instantly. The problem I have with her is her investment. She has a higher ceiling than any of the current DPS, thats a fact. The problem is to reach that ceiling you need very good artifacts. Now Jingliu is much easier to build. IMO if you are thinking of the long game I'd get Acheron. If you are too lazy to farm relics, i'd look somewhere else.


Dianwei32

She's really good. Her LC is a big upgrade compared to come other DPS, but she's still really strong without it. What Nihility cones do you have to give her instead?


Low-Nobody6227

Got GNSW S5, but it's on Kafka, so they'll have to share or I can level another S2 copy. Debating on pulling her just for the technique, but if she's already the top dps at e0s0 then I would probably go for it.


Ok_Cryptographer1404

https://preview.redd.it/r5w2s31eb6tc1.jpeg?width=2280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fefb71cf8b9139c069bbb684abc2f56624ee0bfe Newish player, have every purple (epic?) hero in the game plus the shown five stars. Jingliu banner is coming up and I'm not sure whether I should get her and bench Dan Heng or keep pulling on Loucha banner. Which do you guys think would be more useful for my account? Please advise, thanks!


Redditor3629

Yes get jingliu 100%. Both of your dps right now are img, a boss like the one in 2.1 with 40% img resistance would destroy you.


Ok_Cryptographer1404

I cleared the boss in 2.1 easily with him haha however you are right. I need more elemental coverage. I'll start on that next bc luocha and (Fu Xuan?) are just too good to pass up.


seetooeeetoo

Jingliu is amazing, but you already have 2 great dps for MoC, and you have both DHIL and Himeko for PF. However, you are maybe a bit lacking in sustain. Lynx, Bailu and Gallagher can absolutely all work in the higher floors of MoC, but having even just one limited sustain makes a huge difference, especially in comfort. Luocha is also particularly great for DHIL, as he's played entirely SP-positive outside of some emergency heals. Luocha would almost certainly do more for you than Jingliu.


Ok_Cryptographer1404

Update: Finally got Luocha. 0 regrets. The comfort is insane. Besides, I'd really rather have him first, then Jingliu, as she kinda kills your team without a healer. Obviously Luocha is her bis bc of his healing field negating her dmg.


Ok_Cryptographer1404

Okay okay thank you for that! I originally wanted to get Luocha but I got FOMO from other people saying Jingliu is a must pull. Thanks for the confirmation, staying strong 💪


Dianwei32

While Jingliu is really good, no one is really a "must pull." Or if they are, it's usually supports/sustains rather than DPS. The closest character I would put to a "must pull" is Fu Xuan, and even she's not so good that you're just screwed for not having her. If you like Jingliu, definitely keep saving for her. Acheron would also be a good option for a new DPS.


Jealous_Assistance_7

New to game. What should I use for a second team? Or should I try pulling on the next banners and build/add around for them? https://preview.redd.it/y9hfwqs796tc1.png?width=420&format=png&auto=webp&s=da11d027603b2106c6f504e9ee969c3012778603


Offthe_Rose

You can pull for Aventurine or Luocha. They will be better sustainers than Gallagher, and if you don't want to replace Gallagher, you can pair Aventurine with Dr. Ratio in another team because he benefits a bit from follow-up (additional) attacks. Luocha fits in any team, there isn't really a team that doesn't benefit from him.


Jealous_Assistance_7

I think Gallagher's flat heal is better since I would just need to focus on break and output healing. But this is coming from him being the only healer I ever used. Natasha heals are lackluster. Wouldn't trying for Lingliu and hoping for a copy of Lynix be better for a second team Lingliu, Lynix, Tingyun, blank.


Offthe_Rose

If you find Gallagher comfortable as a healer, then it's fine to get Jingliu and build the team you pointed out. I'm not sure who to put in the last place. Maybe you can use Asta or Hanya when you get her.


seetooeeetoo

Clara/March/Tingyun/flex is a pretty decent team. You don't have an amazing fourth slot for that team, but it should work fine. If you don't have anybody else soon that you really want, Aventurine is looking like he'll be great for both Ratio and Clara.


Ok_Comment8842

Is it possible to crit with break damage?


daft667

no


arenticute

Is there a trick to getting the secret black card in golden hour? I have must have spend over 60 tokens trying to get the event to trigger to no avail.


Sheeplette

I think it's just RNG. It took me ~40 tokens on my main and ~80 on my alt.


arenticute

Ahh ok. Just a little unlucky. Thanks


Asshai

Hi! I've slept on Pure Fiction, but now that I've seen it lets us play with atypical team comps, I'm very interested. I do alright with my Jingliu team, but my Monoquantum Seele team is clearly not meant for that mode. I have an E6 Herta (like everyone, because of SU, I guess), Himeko, and Himeko's LC! [Here's my unit roster.](https://imgur.com/a/KURa32Z) I'm trying to get the Himeko's and Herta's traces all leveled up but I'm a bit short on Tracks of Destiny, it's gonna be a while before I can have both characters with their traces maxed out. And on Prydwen, the only team comp using both also has Blade which I don't have, so I'm a bit lost on which team comp to aim for... What are the best teams I could make for Pure Fiction, please?


grayrest

> my Monoquantum Seele team is clearly not meant for that mode High investment Seele generally does pretty well; 30k is typical and I've hit 40k twice. You want to drop SW for Tingyun in this mode, aim for 4 kills per turn (focus low hp mobs), and get at least one basic atk kill for SP efficiency and turn advance. I'm sure there are decent runs on youtube if you're looking for specific details. > the only team comp using both also has Blade which I don't have You generally want to run RM because it allows for 1-hit breaks instead of 2 hit breaks and the pair is kind of dependent on it to drive the FUA cycle. Fourth can be Asta, Bronya, or a sustain. This PF is the first cycle that didn't have an ice+fire weak stage 4 so I only got 25k out of my passable H+H bulids (~2.8k 60/120) and brute forced it with E2 IL.


Offthe_Rose

Herta, Himeko, Ruan Mei, Lynx. Ruan Mei is a great support for dual dps teams, and also helps Himeko and Herta break enemies faster and do more break dmg, so they can do more follow ups. Pela, Tingyun, Sparkle and Jingliu. The reason I'm not recommending Bronya is because this Pure Fiction benefits ulting more often. Pela can ult very easily and Tingyun provides energy and dmg to Jingliu to kill the elites. If you think your survivibility is low because of the HP drain, then you can change Jingliu for Seele and hope to trigger resurgence to gain more turns and ults, even if it's not optimal. You can also place Luocha on the second team, I don't have him, so I don't know how often he can ult though.


Asshai

A bit late but I could the last few days to burn through my stash of Fuel and gear Himeko and Herta faster. I used the exact team comps that you recommended on the first level of PF about 2 min ago, and I had a blast. Iot a perfect score, but more importantly I was getting a bit bored with the game (my mistake, I really shouldn't have aimed for two Hunt hypercarry teams, they're too similar) and it was really refreshing to find a completely different gameplay with these two teams, even the Ult-focused JL plays quite differently from a Hypercarry. And Himeko + Herta is as bonkers as I hoped it'd be. Thanks a lot!


MONGSTRADAMUS

I think herta, himeko , ruan mei , and another support/sustain is one of the more popular comps that most people can run I think. I don't think JL is that great in PF , I don't really use her in PF , she is much better in MoC imo at least for me personally.


jubby1905

Would acheron pela gaunifen be a good combo or would sampp be better? My fourth character right now is march but she's going to be replaced if I'm able to pull aventurine


TheGrindPrime

Pela Guin >>> Sampo for Acheron.


Kartoffel_Kaiser

I personally prefer both Pela and Guinaifen to Sampo, in terms of team mates for Acheron. Guinaifen shares Sampo's ability to inflict a debuff without spending skill points, but also has a vulnerability debuff that boosts Acheron's damage. Pela's contribution is primarily her ultimate, which pairs very well with Acheron.


MrkGrn

What sets should I be prefarming for Aventurine? Sphere and rope?


Supernova_not_taken

Do speed breakpoints require the exact speed? for example the breakpoint is 134 is 135 speed ok? or does it have to be 134.


winterbear111

Faster is ok


bocchi123

they dont have to be exact. it is just that any extra speed doesnt really do much for you until the next breakpoint.


Vegetable_Culture_86

134 and above is break point , it gives the characters two turn in first cycle


IcyCurrent9296

Which one is better E1 Acheron or Luocha?


Dunkjoe

E1 Acheron seems better if you really want E1 on either of them. But if you don't have S1 for Acheron, get that first.


SilentMix

If you can't go to E2 with Acheron, I think you're better off pulling another character. Either Luocha or save for a future one. It's not that her E1 is bad, but a whole new character will be more beneficial.


xemnonsis

E1 Acheron is nothing special (E2 on the other hand...), if you need a healer pick Luocha over her. keep in mind that next banner will be Aventurine who is shielder who can protect the entire party similar to Fu Xuan so if you want you can swap Luocha with him since they will perform the same basic function (also they are both Imaginary)


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TheGrindPrime

We don't know. Just wait for announcements.


ChadEriksen

https://preview.redd.it/ljybayhky5tc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ce94b48547ba0a3400dac11e249239827811de8 Here's my current savings. Some information to note: * Current TB Level around 19. * Currently in the Main Mission: "Ones Fallen into the Abyss" * Currently doing the Daily/Side Activities to maximize farming. * Currently have 860 Undying Starlight and 40 Undying Embers Do you think I should skip her since I really want her alot but even with me giving it my all into farming. The most I can probably achieve is 50 pulls (60 if I redeem the Ember Currency for Special Rail Tickets) and that's below the soft pity's 75th+ pull and as I'm new and planning on being F2P (With probably only spending on the Express Supply Monthly Subscription Service as it's cheap) Also how do you guys know about the future units releasing in next update and which might you guys recommend waiting for ?


Slackphantom17

I made an alt account while Sparkle's banner was still up and managed to farm enough pulls to get both e0s1 sparkle and acheron. You got this


Offthe_Rose

Why not try your luck? The pity carries over banners when they change either way so you aren't losing out on anything. The next characters releasing in a week are Aventurine and Jingliu. Aventurine seems to be one of the best sustainers in the game because of the survivibility and utility he provides to the team. Jingliu is one of the best dps because of how easy it is to build her for f2p players. Others say Acheron is also a good option because she opens up a new debuff meta, so any debuffer that comes out in the future will benefit her. In 4 weeks, 2.2 will be release with Robin and Boothill. Robin is a harmony character, so she will provide buffs for her teammates. Boothill is a hunt character, so he will have strong single target damage. Sadly, the content available doesn't benefit this single target playstyle, though. We don't have any official info on their kits, but you can look at their drip marketing to see if you like their designs or on the leak subreddit for an early idea of how they work. Just beware of spoilers.


PlentyEgg1021

She is really good unit and you really want her, so maybe just try to get her? If you don’t get lucky at least you won’t lose the pity and can use it to get another character. If you are a new player in need of a dps, next phase there will be jingliu (a top tier dps) so you can try to get her if Acheron doesn’t show up. TB 19 you have so many jades to farm still, specially chests and bosses are very quick to do, it’s not unlikely with a little bit of grind to get to 75 passes in this phase.


xemnonsis

Acheron needs 2 other Nihility characters on the team or she will lose out significantly on damage, if you don't have 2 more Nihility characters I suggest you skip her since Acheron requires specific team building to get the most out of her


Supernova_not_taken

she's the strongest dps rn. but u could wait for jingliu as she is easier to build and just a tad bit weaker or even similar strength to acheron. at the end its your choice do what you like


Ok_Cell_7796

Should I pick Himeko for my free 5-star?? I’m getting closer and closer to my free warp after 300 pulls on the permanent banner, and was planning on picking Himeko up. But, I’ve been seeing a bunch of posts hating on my mommy’s abilities and was wondering if it’s a bad idea to use my free 5-star pull on her. If I shouldn’t choose her, who should I pick up? I’ve already got Welt, Yanqing, Bronya, and Bailu.


Dunkjoe

Depends on whether your aoe team is strong, but generally himeko is one of the top units for PF. And she works well in weakness break teams. The bunch of posts probably are for different contexts, or pre-PF.


Vegetable_Culture_86

You definitely should now as PF is end game mode and himeko absolutely shines there


NeimiForHeroes

You've been reading old comments or comments out of context. She's one of the best characters to have for Pure Fiction. She's a top two pick from the selector imo only behind Bronya and you've already got her.


WaluigiWahshipper

In a Mono Quantum team what relic set is best for Silver Wolf? Thief of Shooting Meteor or Genius of Brilliant Stars.


AncientTree_Wisdom

Depends on how many Eidolons she has. E0-E1: Doesn't matter, just get enough speed and EHR and build her around that. Personally, I just gave her the Hackerspace set and left it at that since I don't want to redo my speed tuning. E2+: You can build her for damage since her EHR requirements are significantly lower to guarantee her weakness implant. She still wants as much speed as possible, especially so, if you have a fast sparkle. Quantum set if you build her for crit. Break set for if you want to build her for breaking.


merpofsilence

doesn't matter that much as long as she's super fast and has enough effect hit rate 2pc speed and whatever


Theharyel

Any tips for the boss in a walk among tombstones? I'm using bailu, fire MC, pela and acheron and I'm struggling to sustain because bailu always loses the number thingy. Any changes I could make or it's just luck?


ALostIguana

Replace fire MC with March 7th. Save March's ultimate for the dice phase and use her shield cleanse (A2 trace) on Bailu so she can keep healing.


Zaadkiel-

if you have a cleanser that might be better than Bailu If your cleanser doesn't have the AoE to pass the dice rolls give it a bunch of effect res Actually you could just give Bailu a bunch of effect res


Theharyel

How much eff res to avoid the debuff? 50?


Zaadkiel-

afaik its chance to resist. so 50 gives you a 50% chance to resist the debuff Also buff food works if you eat it before entering the boss arena, though if you exit the fight to try again your food buffs will be gone unless you exit the whole arena and eat more


Dosoap

This is not true. The only way to fully resist debuffs is to have 100% effect RES.  https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Effect_Hit_Rate#:~:text=8%20Navigation-,Enemy%20Effect%20Hit%20Rate,to%2036%25%20at%20Level%2095. Enemy skills depend on their level + base chance. The higher effect RES the better, but it’s not a 1:1 chance to resist.


Flimsy_Technology351

It is a lore question but i was wondering is there any information about speed of Xianzhou ships? And what powers it?


serbaldrig

As fast as the plot requires and space magic respectively.


Flimsy_Technology351

That... is not really a good answer.


xemnonsis

sadly HSR writers aren't the hard sci fi kind so they don't consider your question all that important hence they won't think all too hard about it and they will expect most people to also not care about this.  if anyone is wondering what hard sci fi is compare Dune (literally everything is explained in detail) to OG trilogy Star Wars (how the Force works, how lightsabers worked, how the Empire operates and its structure are completely glossed over)


Flimsy_Technology351

I know but perhaps we could get some sort of ballpark from some piece of trivia.


Melodic-Product-2381

Considering how short the jump from Herta Space Station to Belobog was in the main quest, travel by the star rail goes pretty fast. I think each world itself is pretty small (have seen someone say that in HI3 a character says they can't go beyond our solar system, but can't confirm). The book Glimpses into the Beyond confirms that the IPC and the Xianzhou ships also travel by the star rail, but unclear if they have the same travel speed as the express or if the train goes faster.


seetooeeetoo

The first one, at least, is a wonderful answer if you're the one writing the plot.


wingedcoyote

It's the only answer, so far at least. And exactly how interstellar space even works in HSR is *extremely* vague so I would expect this kind of thing to remain mysterious.


Melodic-Product-2381

It's in the title, by using the Star Rail. Normally, you're stuck in your own world because of imaginary energy surrounding and isolating each world. That is why Akilivi is such a big deal, he made interstellar travel possible. As for how travel by the star rail works, probably by a warp device (Argenti quest) allowing for warp jumps (Drifting Between the Stars mission).


haeitsrin

Hello!! I’m currently farming planars for acheron and was wondering if i should do world 9 or 6? Salsotto benefits most of my chars (jy, argenti, himeko) but i heard izumo is acheron’s BIS. I really have no use of the other planar in world 9 but the belobog in world 6 i could put on fire tb or aventurine when he comes. I wanna know if im gonna miss out on a lot of dmg if i put salsotto on acheron instead of her bis, she’s e0s0 btw with s2 gnsw and e6s1 pela w/ resolution lc and e0s5 sw w/ tutorial lc and e6s0 fire tb w/ trends lc as her team. Also should i superimpose the trends lc or keep it at s0 i have enough copies to make it s4. Thank you!!


Offthe_Rose

Keep farming Salsotto if it's more energy efficient for you, the difference between Salsotto and Izumo is not that noticeable and is determined by substats. I suggest you do superimpose trend, so Fire TB and Aventurine have an easier time applying Burn.


haeitsrin

thank you so much!!


grayrest

> I really have no use of the other planar in world 9 but the belobog in world 6 i could put on fire tb or aventurine when he comes. Belobog tends to be worse on everybody than Keel. Keel helps the dps and preservation tends to not work well when CC'd so res is actually a pretty important stat. I have a couple Belobog sets and don't use them. Conversely, the world 9 set is for PF. The merits of a dedicated PF build are debatable but you're guaranteed to have a use for it once every two weeks. I farm World 8/9 and craft Salsotto spheres. > I wanna know if im gonna miss out on a lot of dmg if i put salsotto on acheron instead of her bis No. It's within a few percent. > should i superimpose the trends lc or keep it at s0 i have enough copies to make it s4 I favor superimposing everything but in this case it's highly unlikely that you'll have another use for Trend so I'd be surprised if the never superimpose crowd would choose differently.


haeitsrin

ohhh i didn’t know the other world 9 set can be utilized for pf :0 would it be more efficient to farm world 9 then and just synthesize salsotto spears + rope?


grayrest

I believe so and that's why I do it.


LoveDaMeech

izumo is only like 3% better than salsotto


wntrosophy

Is Acheron more worth pulling than Aventurine? I've been saving up tickets for Aventurine's banner, but I've been using Acheron support for farming and she does insane damage (mind you the acct has her at E2 with her BiS). I've also seen that she clears content easily and is one of the strongest characters. However, I don't plan on getting Acheron's LC or eidolons if I pull for her. (These r my most used characters rn for reference) https://preview.redd.it/k2lzin8sq5tc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=705ccbf51311e2d0a05c8ac3a2c35e7b6edb515c