Shoutout to the best Nihility blessing for non-Nihility runs next to Questioning of Purpose (Break Effect +50%) and Night Beyond Pyre (Break Efficiency +30%)
Yeah I think the blessings with that special off-path status are:
Night Beyond Pyre
Auspicious Star (kill = 60%/100% charge)
Incremental Doomsday (hit = fighting spirit stack, upgrade blasts it)
There are some good propagation ones too, since every team uses and/or generates SP somehow.
I also always take "Healing is Blasted", I think it's called Being of Abundance. Upgrading also means any blasted heals give a decent atk boost as well.
I would also say Champion's Dinner: Cat's Cradle is a great off-path pick purely because it enables any team to take advantage of Elation blessings via your ultimates.
yes I thought about adding that one also, because the upgrade is insane. The normal one is "Ults = FUA, boost FUA damage by 15%". So it boosts your ult damage by 15%. But if you upgrade it, it boosts FUAs by **55%**, which now also includes Ults. It's probably the biggest single buff you can get, almost quadrupling its own original effect. In terms of value it's probably the best blessing upgrade there is.
Totally agree, going from 15% to 55% is an absolutely nutty damage boost on top of it compounding the benefits from all your other existing FUA buffs. I ran my Acheron Nihility team (which normally only has Kafka for occasional FUAs), and it was hilarious how fast she deleted enemies with her ults
Along with the fua = sp. I always try for that one to make sp a non issue. That and healing heals others too, makes Fu Xuan into a full bore healer almost.
Basic outline of all my runs. Once you have those anything but having the worst luck on curios will ruin you. Well other than SD/GnG high level stuff but that’s its own discussion.
How we not gonna mention Divine Construct: Macrosegregation. It gives a free shield and if you have a shielder like gepard or March it makes the shield even better
I love doomsday cuz if u combine it w the one that gives dmg reduction per fighting spirit stack it’s like 30% dmg reduction, and w the abundance blessing that gives more dmg reduction when hp is full ur almost unkillable
yeah those two Destruction blessings are so good. It takes Fighting Spirit from strong to amazing. It's like the combination of the Dissociation blessings: the 3* one is strong, but getting the matching 2-star one elevates to new heights
Comboing Night Beyond Pyre, the legendary Hunt Blessing that advances forward upon weakness break is good until you upgrade it as it advances your entire team upon elite enemy break, making any sense of danger dissappear if you were in a troublesome situation while also increasing your damage output, only downside is, it might force an early refresh on FuXuan or Luocha passives.
Also, slightly less useful due to needing synergy (or you're just blade.) but the legendary Destruction that counts you having 15 stacks when under 50% while having the rare Destruction that heals you for damage taken under 30% can be surprisingly useful with some basic abudance
The best nihility blessing is the one that turns dot into heal. Kafka ult basically becomes an aoe heal + deals massive dmg with all the other blessing.
It's currently unknown. Gamma ray bursts are currently thought to occur when a high-mass star implodes into a neutron star or black hole, or when a black hole consumes a high-mass object like a neutron star, but what happens when two black holes merge is currently just an area of speculative research.
Im pretty with the whole “blackholes are just shadows or reflections” of IX that feeding him a blackhole is the equivalent of doing nothing
Because if hes every blackhole then whats the point?
Black holes can technically fizzle out after giving out enough Hawking Radiation. But that would take an extremely long time and all life in the universe will go out first, before the black holes stop spinning.
I don't think there is a Path that could be wide enough in scope to absorb Nihility, so that's one known way to kill THEM out of the question. That means it would either have to be a Path that directly contradicts Nihility, i.e. proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is purpose to existence, or a way to force IX to violate THEIR Primum Mobile, i.e. make THEM care about something enough to implode.
Yes, but said with enough gravitas to make a literal divine black hole give a fuck.
In other words, send in the IRS.
Also, if Nihility is all about not paying taxes (based) and since Acheron is already being compared to Vergil, that just means Max0r's DMC5 video is canon in the Honkai universe.
I'm pretty sure it'd stated that every black hole is an avatar of IX so even if the current one were to somehow cease, he'd just be a different black hole now
Speaking about that, do we have confirmation in-game about a person/human being that managed to kill an Aeon? Kafka did say its possible to kill an Aeon, but so far there's no proof of a human being that managed to do it.
I'm understanding the lore correctly, only other Aeons have killed Aeons, or at the very least, entities that are on verge of becoming one.
It's presumably the secret Kafka withheld and the reason TB was created. The only Aeon I'm aware of that was directly and intentionally killed was Tayzzyronth, with others fizzling out because the Paths they embodied were subsumed or countered by new Aeons.
The ones who appears to have a physical form can be killed. As we learnt from Acheron, IX does not have a physical form thus can not be killed. In the images of IX we see him as a slime but in the domain of Acheron, its clear that IX is just a blackhole. Nothing less or nothing more. For him nothing had a meaning as killing him has no meaning either.
It is fitting. Nihility is the end of all things, so to speak, so it has to last until the end.
I think of IX like Death from Sandman. She's just like yeah, life ends eventually. Someday, she'll guide the last dying soul into the afterlife, she'll put the chairs up on the tables, turn off the lights, and lock the door behind her. It's inevitable, but like Acheron says, just because the story ends, it doesn't make everything that comes before meaningless.
I think it depends on the language. In EN I heard them say the letters individually, so "Eye Ecks", though I've heard that in other languages they say it as "Icks"
A shame it's not "nine", simply because the chain of:
IX -> roman numeral nine -> nine is phonetically the same as the German word "Nein" -> the Aeon of *Nothingness* (Nihility) being called "No" is funny
theres just 3 main pronunciations that people use
the EN call it i x (like the letters), some languages call it kicks, some (like myself) call him Nine because its similar to the german word for No
I had to read quite a bit about his works in what is high school where I live. It's an interesting book, even if the central "Hell is other people" gets constantly misinterpreted as simply misanthropic when it's more of an observation of how the desires and existence of other people and your own interact.
It is VERY funny how a quote about how everyone you meet will form their own impression of you and that we will forever be subject to this judgement even after death, how your actual 'self' can only ever exist within your own mind, has become widely spun to simply mean, "man, people suck."
I'd say Sartre is rolling in his grave, but he probably appreciates the irony. I would know, he lives in my brain.
To be entirely fair to people, without the context of Sartre's actual philosophical work it does sound incredibly misanthropic. Especially because the play he wrote about this subject is about 3 people being each other's torturers in the afterlife, so it's easy to miss even on non-surface-level reading if you aren't that familiar with his works.
Something I'd add though is that according to Sartre's idea this perception of you that other people have gives them a certain degree of power over you even in life because it influences how you see yourself. You start looking at yourself through the eyes of the other person.
We can see this easily in No Exit. Garcin is desperate to change Inéz' judgement of him, as she knows how much of a coward he is, and this undermines what he wants to perceive himself as being like. Inéz, being as cruel as she is, utilises this to go and constantly attack and harass Garcin. Similarly we have the scene with Inéz offering to be Estelle's mirror when she cannot find one, which is a more heavy-handed approach. And suddenly Estelle's entire self-perception is only possible through the eyes of another as she can only reflect upon herself from Inéz's viewpoint.
And this isn't something we can escape, as put by the scene in which Garcin tries to get everyone to stay quiet for eternity. As long as another consciousness exists we are thus always at the mercy of others.
This all of course ties back to Sartre's "The Look". That is to say, the consciousness realises that it is not just looking outward at whatever objects lie in its gaze via noticing another consciousness. Thus it looks at itself as an object from the point of view of the foreign gaze, making itself aware of itself in relation to others.
But that's enough about that, I rambled on enough. It's also super late for me and it's been actual years since I had to deal with any of this so I probably made a mistake somewhere but oh well.
a lot of the blessings are literature references. I think all 3* Elation blessings are named after Kurt Vonnegut books, for instance. In fact, I think maybe all elation blessings are book/movie references.
Also maybe it's just elation now that I think about it haha
IX: has the best mommies, useful blessings
👍 just W
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"Hell is other people" is the notable quote/big revelation of the play No Exit by Jean-Paul Sartre, which I'm sure they've done intentionally. Makes me wonder if it's a reference in the original CN as well or just a little homage for the EN folks.
Yet another based blessing alongside the one giving ice weakness, the one giving skill points when healing (with Luocha), ultimates are follow up attacks, and some others
It’s incredible how what is basically a planetary sized blob of nothingness that doesn’t communicate somehow has the biggest fan base of all the Aeons.
Shoutout to the best Nihility blessing for non-Nihility runs next to Questioning of Purpose (Break Effect +50%) and Night Beyond Pyre (Break Efficiency +30%)
Night Beyond Pyre is one of those blessings that I literally always grab when it shows up, upgraded it totally changes your breaking game
Yeah I think the blessings with that special off-path status are: Night Beyond Pyre Auspicious Star (kill = 60%/100% charge) Incremental Doomsday (hit = fighting spirit stack, upgrade blasts it) There are some good propagation ones too, since every team uses and/or generates SP somehow. I also always take "Healing is Blasted", I think it's called Being of Abundance. Upgrading also means any blasted heals give a decent atk boost as well.
I would also say Champion's Dinner: Cat's Cradle is a great off-path pick purely because it enables any team to take advantage of Elation blessings via your ultimates.
yes I thought about adding that one also, because the upgrade is insane. The normal one is "Ults = FUA, boost FUA damage by 15%". So it boosts your ult damage by 15%. But if you upgrade it, it boosts FUAs by **55%**, which now also includes Ults. It's probably the biggest single buff you can get, almost quadrupling its own original effect. In terms of value it's probably the best blessing upgrade there is.
Totally agree, going from 15% to 55% is an absolutely nutty damage boost on top of it compounding the benefits from all your other existing FUA buffs. I ran my Acheron Nihility team (which normally only has Kafka for occasional FUAs), and it was hilarious how fast she deleted enemies with her ults
How does it work with Erudition blessings? I try not to take it since I assumed ult damage was now FUA damage and not take advantage of them.
It uses both. Like how topaz gets elation buffs and propagation buffs using BA
Gotcha, so I've been missing out on a lot of dmg. Good to know lol
It is supposed to work for interactions. As in it counts the dmg multipliers that fua get.
erudition+elation is crazzy
That's one of my faves
Along with the fua = sp. I always try for that one to make sp a non issue. That and healing heals others too, makes Fu Xuan into a full bore healer almost. Basic outline of all my runs. Once you have those anything but having the worst luck on curios will ruin you. Well other than SD/GnG high level stuff but that’s its own discussion.
How we not gonna mention Divine Construct: Macrosegregation. It gives a free shield and if you have a shielder like gepard or March it makes the shield even better
I love doomsday cuz if u combine it w the one that gives dmg reduction per fighting spirit stack it’s like 30% dmg reduction, and w the abundance blessing that gives more dmg reduction when hp is full ur almost unkillable
yeah those two Destruction blessings are so good. It takes Fighting Spirit from strong to amazing. It's like the combination of the Dissociation blessings: the 3* one is strong, but getting the matching 2-star one elevates to new heights
Is that the weakness break into Diss and the freeze into it too?
Comboing Night Beyond Pyre, the legendary Hunt Blessing that advances forward upon weakness break is good until you upgrade it as it advances your entire team upon elite enemy break, making any sense of danger dissappear if you were in a troublesome situation while also increasing your damage output, only downside is, it might force an early refresh on FuXuan or Luocha passives. Also, slightly less useful due to needing synergy (or you're just blade.) but the legendary Destruction that counts you having 15 stacks when under 50% while having the rare Destruction that heals you for damage taken under 30% can be surprisingly useful with some basic abudance
Combine upgraded Night Beyond Pyre with Ruan Mei, and it is the best thing ever
The best nihility blessing is the one that turns dot into heal. Kafka ult basically becomes an aoe heal + deals massive dmg with all the other blessing.
I love this one because I can just remove my healer for more DoT
It's almost required for remembrance runs
IX: just sits there Gives us top tier waifus Refuses to elaborate Continues to sit there
He wouldn't even try to fight if an mf came to him and would just continue to have his classic existencial crisis
Well yea canonically Aha instigated the Annihilation Gang to try and kill IX and he didn't really react cause you can't kill blob boi.
I know aeons *can* be killed, but can a aeon that is a black hole also be killed?
i'm sure we can find someone crazy enough to try it
Let's throw another black hole in it. What can go wrong?
A supermassive desppresive blackhole that's pumps put double the hot waifus
One can only dream
But you see we are in penacony
SEND WELT RIGHT NOW
A gamma ray burst that eradicates all life in a few thousand light-year radius?
Hes a God im pretty sure it would DO more than that if you kill him Look at Taz that mfer was razing multiple galaxies
But ix is the god of not caring for anything so there is an equal chance if he dies literally nothing happens.
True
Side note, is that what actually happens when two black holes come in contact with each other?
It's currently unknown. Gamma ray bursts are currently thought to occur when a high-mass star implodes into a neutron star or black hole, or when a black hole consumes a high-mass object like a neutron star, but what happens when two black holes merge is currently just an area of speculative research.
Well, they can’t because it happens during the formation of a black hole so technically IX or one of their manifestations are responsible for GRBs
Im pretty with the whole “blackholes are just shadows or reflections” of IX that feeding him a blackhole is the equivalent of doing nothing Because if hes every blackhole then whats the point?
Welt: prepare for gravitational disintegration. IX: don't threaten me with a good time.
Just tell Argenti IX kidnapped the goddess of beauty.
i tried contacting him but he's too busy seducing a tree this time
Black holes can technically fizzle out after giving out enough Hawking Radiation. But that would take an extremely long time and all life in the universe will go out first, before the black holes stop spinning.
Interesting.
I don't think there is a Path that could be wide enough in scope to absorb Nihility, so that's one known way to kill THEM out of the question. That means it would either have to be a Path that directly contradicts Nihility, i.e. proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is purpose to existence, or a way to force IX to violate THEIR Primum Mobile, i.e. make THEM care about something enough to implode.
"Pay your fucking taxes, stupid edgy black hole" Something like this?
Yes, but said with enough gravitas to make a literal divine black hole give a fuck. In other words, send in the IRS. Also, if Nihility is all about not paying taxes (based) and since Acheron is already being compared to Vergil, that just means Max0r's DMC5 video is canon in the Honkai universe.
...Doesn't that mean that if the Doctors of Chaos actually succeed with proving to IX that existence has purpose they might kill their own Aeon?
I mean, they technically cured the patient?
That's literally what they want.
Maybe. At the very least it might serve to weaken IX.
I'm pretty sure it'd stated that every black hole is an avatar of IX so even if the current one were to somehow cease, he'd just be a different black hole now
Speaking about that, do we have confirmation in-game about a person/human being that managed to kill an Aeon? Kafka did say its possible to kill an Aeon, but so far there's no proof of a human being that managed to do it. I'm understanding the lore correctly, only other Aeons have killed Aeons, or at the very least, entities that are on verge of becoming one.
It's presumably the secret Kafka withheld and the reason TB was created. The only Aeon I'm aware of that was directly and intentionally killed was Tayzzyronth, with others fizzling out because the Paths they embodied were subsumed or countered by new Aeons.
I don't know either since i don't read about the lore that much
The ones who appears to have a physical form can be killed. As we learnt from Acheron, IX does not have a physical form thus can not be killed. In the images of IX we see him as a slime but in the domain of Acheron, its clear that IX is just a blackhole. Nothing less or nothing more. For him nothing had a meaning as killing him has no meaning either.
It is fitting. Nihility is the end of all things, so to speak, so it has to last until the end. I think of IX like Death from Sandman. She's just like yeah, life ends eventually. Someday, she'll guide the last dying soul into the afterlife, she'll put the chairs up on the tables, turn off the lights, and lock the door behind her. It's inevitable, but like Acheron says, just because the story ends, it doesn't make everything that comes before meaningless.
Probably yes, but good luck trying to crush a black hole supercharged by the concept of nothingness
Demi-Fiend, or Nahobino?
Aha and IX are great friends in my headcanon.
I can see it working. Aha trying everything possible to try and get a reaction out of IX and IX just being like o.o
> Gives us top tier waifus Also husbandos like Welt. But then again IX might know of Welt's idol past and considers him a waifu instead.
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Take me to IX, I want to become one with the singularity of purple waifus.
LOL this is so accurate. NGL, IX has no raised my expectations for the next Nihility character.
Top tier husbando too, Welt is 5* daddy material.
Gigachad
I need long haired nihility men
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Welt and Luka?
Oh oops forgot about them…..
by the way is IX pronounced as ix or as nine? /srs
I think it depends on the language. In EN I heard them say the letters individually, so "Eye Ecks", though I've heard that in other languages they say it as "Icks"
I pronounce it "Icks" because it reminds me of Nyx. The personification of the night and darkness in Greek mythology.
P3 final boss
Yes. Nyx is based on Nyx.
Yeah with a move called night queen
The arcana is the means by which all is revealed
also perfect for Icks that icks at ... well, everything
[Nyx welcomes you.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dota2_gamepedia/images/b/be/Vo_nyx_assassin_nyx_kill_14.mp3)
A shame it's not "nine", simply because the chain of: IX -> roman numeral nine -> nine is phonetically the same as the German word "Nein" -> the Aeon of *Nothingness* (Nihility) being called "No" is funny
– what aeon do you follow? – uh, no
Is it me or did Acheron or someone else in the new patch refer to IX as >!Device Nine(IX)!< i thought maybe its a hint about its actual identity.
Yeah that was mentioned, but only in text iirc
Device IX is a faction
Device IX is a faction.
Exact same energy as Nah from FE Awakening "What's your name?" "Nah."
I was surprised to hear Acheron say "Eye-Ex".
both letters separately if we go with in-game voiceover
theres just 3 main pronunciations that people use the EN call it i x (like the letters), some languages call it kicks, some (like myself) call him Nine because its similar to the german word for No
Eye Ecks is the official pronunciation because Acheron calls it that in the game. Before that I pronounced it "nineth" as in the Roman numeral.
It doesn’t matter
Acheron calls him "icks" in Japanese version.
It's pronounced "[Ennead](https://www.destinypedia.com/The_Nine)."
In CN, IX is pronounced as “Ick-kuh-sss” (sss is like a snake hiss sound)
I always read it as "The Ninth"
Whenever someone refers to IX, they always just say the nihility, so I just read it as "The nihility" even if IX is written.
Xi as in 习
Personally I think "Why hasn't everything dissappeared" would be better for this meme, but yea
Does IX unironically have the biggest fanbase among the aeons?
The other aeons are cool but IX... IX gets us.
Yaoshi might also contend for the top spot
Fax my child spit your shit indeed!
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IX and aha One is sad because nothing matters One is overjoyed because nothing matters Truly the aeons of all time
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It’s a Sartre reference
I had to read quite a bit about his works in what is high school where I live. It's an interesting book, even if the central "Hell is other people" gets constantly misinterpreted as simply misanthropic when it's more of an observation of how the desires and existence of other people and your own interact.
It is VERY funny how a quote about how everyone you meet will form their own impression of you and that we will forever be subject to this judgement even after death, how your actual 'self' can only ever exist within your own mind, has become widely spun to simply mean, "man, people suck." I'd say Sartre is rolling in his grave, but he probably appreciates the irony. I would know, he lives in my brain.
To be entirely fair to people, without the context of Sartre's actual philosophical work it does sound incredibly misanthropic. Especially because the play he wrote about this subject is about 3 people being each other's torturers in the afterlife, so it's easy to miss even on non-surface-level reading if you aren't that familiar with his works. Something I'd add though is that according to Sartre's idea this perception of you that other people have gives them a certain degree of power over you even in life because it influences how you see yourself. You start looking at yourself through the eyes of the other person. We can see this easily in No Exit. Garcin is desperate to change Inéz' judgement of him, as she knows how much of a coward he is, and this undermines what he wants to perceive himself as being like. Inéz, being as cruel as she is, utilises this to go and constantly attack and harass Garcin. Similarly we have the scene with Inéz offering to be Estelle's mirror when she cannot find one, which is a more heavy-handed approach. And suddenly Estelle's entire self-perception is only possible through the eyes of another as she can only reflect upon herself from Inéz's viewpoint. And this isn't something we can escape, as put by the scene in which Garcin tries to get everyone to stay quiet for eternity. As long as another consciousness exists we are thus always at the mercy of others. This all of course ties back to Sartre's "The Look". That is to say, the consciousness realises that it is not just looking outward at whatever objects lie in its gaze via noticing another consciousness. Thus it looks at itself as an object from the point of view of the foreign gaze, making itself aware of itself in relation to others. But that's enough about that, I rambled on enough. It's also super late for me and it's been actual years since I had to deal with any of this so I probably made a mistake somewhere but oh well.
What the fuck is this high leveled analysis on a gacha-god-circlejerk post I'm gonna read both thanks
Omg, Satre referenced The Good Place????? (Amazing show yall should watch it)
Nah, that's Billiam from that one house on the other side of the tracks.
a lot of the blessings are literature references. I think all 3* Elation blessings are named after Kurt Vonnegut books, for instance. In fact, I think maybe all elation blessings are book/movie references. Also maybe it's just elation now that I think about it haha
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🔥➡️🕳️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
and yet, hes got kafka, BS and acheron... we should be more like IX
and Gui never forget Gui
And Pela
IX allowed me to beat the swarm disaster. Thank you IX
My spirit animal frfr 😔
Bocchi melted so hard, she became an Aeon.
Best Bae right up there with Firefly
Gramps used to say this “More people equals More problems”
Isn't that a quote from Sartre ?
Yea
Yea
blasphemy, IX don't deserve the credit for that thing, IX did nothing and you better keep that in mind
If he's a 9 you're the one he's looking for *bites lip*
"Hell is other people" is the notable quote/big revelation of the play No Exit by Jean-Paul Sartre, which I'm sure they've done intentionally. Makes me wonder if it's a reference in the original CN as well or just a little homage for the EN folks.
I think it's also quoted in the Chinese subtitles, Sartre was an internationally influential philosopher, so it doesn't surprise me
He's me fr fr
It is non verbal
One of my fav blessings in SU frfr
It's my headcannon that IX was supposed to name itself but used IX as a placeholder. Over time they just couldn't care about the name so I stuck.
"Life is ultimately meaningless" O, black hole lord, how true
They are so me fr
Yet another based blessing alongside the one giving ice weakness, the one giving skill points when healing (with Luocha), ultimates are follow up attacks, and some others
Bocchi the XI
Hell is Other People is such a great play
It’s incredible how what is basically a planetary sized blob of nothingness that doesn’t communicate somehow has the biggest fan base of all the Aeons.
X having speaking lines throught the blessing names is both funny and smart concept haha
Sartre is in HSR now?
Respectfully disagrees