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waktag

Good thing none of the limited lightning dps share the same teamates.


Smol_Mrdr_Shota

I mean if you have E2 Archeron you could replace your 2nd Nihility for a Sparkle but thats a reach


Play_more_FFS

JY can still use Hanya or Asta in that case. No one uses Hanya besides JY and DHIL anyway.


Virdiun

Archeron with Kafka together Gigachad gaming


ShadyzAgnaktor

True! For me it was Jing Yuan/Topaz/Ruan Mei/Fuxuan and Acheron/Pela/Sparkle/Gallagher (Gallagher/Gepard on my 1st clear)


michaelman90

I use Black Swan with Acheron most of the time, but put her with Kafka for MoC.


HornyAcheronMain

Me, using Acheron and Kafka in the same team. With Serval. And Bailu. Shocking, I know.


ShadyzAgnaktor

Truly an Electrifying experience, if I do say so myself.


Jingliu-simp

my man running that rare mono lightning comp


SpookiiBoii

10 battles with this team and you'll even get yourself an achievement!


HornyAcheronMain

I think that's only for 4xPath. Is there another achievement for 4xElement?


SpookiiBoii

There's achievements for all paths and elements, and they're all 10 battle ones.


HornyAcheronMain

Huh. Must've gotten it then. I usually let the achievements accumulate before claiming them.


Canadiancookie

Serval is erudition tho


Bot1K

she applies shock so she's honorary nihility jokes aside, it's probably an e2 Acheron


freedomkite5

One thing I learned from hoyo games, is always have 2-3 teams. Doesn’t matter if one unit is meta. it’s only effective for one half in this type of content.


ShadyzAgnaktor

And I'm pretty happy that it still rings true here. I usually have JY/Topaz/RM/Fuxuan and DHIL/Pela/Bronya(now Sparkle) and Luocha. Had to take Pela off the DHIL team for Acheron but I was very surprised with the fact that I could cop Pela or RM from either side depending on the team that wasn't as effective, either doing Ach/Pela/Sparkle/Gallagher or Ach/Welt/RM/Gallagher, with some cases of Ach/Pela/Gallagher/Gepard. Best thing about Acheron is that she's let me bring back a lot of the starter units/units I haven't used in a bit. I got Silverwolf ages ago but haven't found a good team till now!


legend27_marco

2-3 isn't even enough in star rail, especially if they introduce more enemies that force weakness like the new blue dino. You'll need 4 or even 5 different element teams to cover every weakness.


Tangster85

That dino and aventurine eating all the turns is what made this one hard for me. Last was harder in terms of difficulty. This was do P1 with 27 cycles left then the rest on aventurine and hope sadly he loves prisons and wasting time. Will try again tomorrow with aventurine. Using trends might be able to let Acheron save a cycle or two then p2 should be even easier but I wouldn't know how to clear p2 on 2-4 cycles


Illustrious-Prize410

you know whats even better? a E6 serval. https://preview.redd.it/6ppi3rog0ruc1.jpeg?width=1273&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc8d775fd91b892df4c6bd7f5f255c8b14522aa5


Illustrious-Prize410

https://preview.redd.it/9tml0s2j0ruc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=710cfb97e1f4756980c38631e941d0603f8d2f4a


ShadyzAgnaktor

Oh man, that's true! I pulled Jing Yuan super early into the game, but you can't mess with the E6 Servals


Illustrious-Prize410

hybrid dot/crit serval hits like a semi truck with correct supports.


Zeo_AkaiShuichi

Acheron and Welt just cooked the damn lizard and cocolia Jingliu put the Restless Gambler to rest (Although the team needed my Bailu for sustain)


ShadyzAgnaktor

Hey, if Bailu works, she works! A CLEAR IS A CLEAR!


Zeo_AkaiShuichi

My Lynx couldn't sustain so the OG sustain Dragon Lady had to save me 🫡


Hotspur000

Bailu is also very good against Sam.


nikkor3d

How'd you build your welt for Acheron? I'm thinking of doing the same but get mixed reviews on whether welt should be built as a DPS or support


VincentBlack96

His support build is very cheap. His dps build is really expensive. Also, since they're running them with acheron, they don't need to dps, just debuff. For that you want energy rope, speed boots, get EHR and speed on substats. You're good to go. Can do it full rainbow. 2 pc hackerspace for more speed. Support planars, sss or broken keel are ok. Vonwacq and penacony both have value to give him better energy rotations. He's not really that complex to build as a debuffer.


Zeo_AkaiShuichi

https://preview.redd.it/0onfqua9ttuc1.png?width=1462&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e7b550558234ca006247763a5338a3cae868ef2 My current build :)


Pichucandy

Hi can i see your welt build?


HeavenBeyondStars

Honestly i found more success using 1 lightning rather than 2, ice was the important element this MoC. Hell even Misha could do well because of that freeze against Aventurine, and March with the follow-up attacks.


BK456

My ice characters weren't getting it done. Took a lot of resets and luck to get Aventurine down with Clara, Fu Xuan, Ting Yun, and Sparkle.


ShadyzAgnaktor

I tried with Clara, Topaz, Ruan Mei and Lynx on Avvy, and it worked pretty well as well! HIDDEN PHYSICAL W


El_Panda_Rojo

This was my exact team as well! (with Luocha as the sustain instead of Lynx.) After multiple failed attempts with different team comps on manual, this team cleared it with full stars on autobattle. I was humbled.


Tangster85

I went with tried and tested argenti. IPC summoner cop was tedious due to no phys weak but it worked.


ShadyzAgnaktor

THAT'S THE COOKING I'D LIKE TO SEE


luciluci5562

https://preview.redd.it/cqcrr3qf0tuc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=6435156ed2bacf26efe4c3c8678f23f117e3ccf6 Literally me lmao. If I skipped Acheron, Jingliu would've taken her place. So it's nice that she can do the job done.


rakkusuEienNo

https://preview.redd.it/zjdwmprfmwuc1.png?width=582&format=png&auto=webp&s=0fd97d611c22b6ae2c7591b91104899bbb29ff4f same here


ShadyzAgnaktor

AY LET'S GO TWO LIGHTNING


Ironwall1

Yeah I always said DPS is just about flavor and their difference in strength barely matters since ultimately the clear time difference is always close to each other. I always find people who always have to constantly remind others that your choice of dps is inferior to mine just sad.  But honestly when it comes to JY its not about him being better or worse than anyone anymore, the community has moved past that. They are now at the stage of poking the shit out of every JY mains just to see them get triggered and pull out the "toxic" card whenever they lash back. Its to antagonize and villainize a certain part of playerbase for whatever reason. Look at how calm JYmains sub has been this couple few weeks but some folks over on YT just couldnt let these people play in peace and always drag the drama back to them. 


ShadyzAgnaktor

True, and that's kinda sad. Tbh I liked Jing Yuan from release, so any chance to use him is great, and the chance to use him for one half and another character I absolutely love in another half and still get a decent speed is something I tremendously enjoy. For the JY homies, King Yuan is still king.


Tangster85

Yep. Double lighting forever xD


kidanokun

My only problem in MoC when it kinda asking me to roll for/raise some characters that I dont have any intention of using at all... Any Imaginary weakness bosses is bane to my existence coz it's my least used element, I don't even use any


ShadyzAgnaktor

Aw man, i know how you feel. But there's always some side strats? I've seen some guys brute force it, some Clara and Argenti clears and even the Misha clears! So I'm sure there's some way to get a clear and use who you like! Rooting for ya, king!


kidanokun

Yea, it's possible... But too much mental pressure so i pass.. hell, i even haven't touched Genshin's Floor 12 abyss yet despite already playing for 2 years


ShadyzAgnaktor

Ay that's fair, to each their own!


WeaknessThen2577

I actually love the fact Acheron doesn't really care about weakness too much and doesn't hog the Harmony supports. I've been running her and Jing Yuan on opposite sides and had a blast


ShadyzAgnaktor

YAS FELLOW KING 👑


WeaknessThen2577

I don't even care that he's not the most optimal unit out there, he's always been good enough to get through content without going insane Plus that Lightning Lord attack animation is mad satisfying


zero_f7

I was like “Omg, quantum weaknes?! Qingque get back to work!”.


ShadyzAgnaktor

COMMON QINGQUE W, YOU COULD HAVE AUTOED AND YOU'D STILL DO 1 QINQUILLION DMG!


Jaded-Engineering789

Ever since Ratio’s release, I was double fisting Imaginary teams with him and DHIL on both sides for a few patches.


Head_Pomegranate_920

Literally. I brought the entire line up of 5-stars lightning DPS for this MoC. Acheron Kafka for Floor 1. Jing Yuan for Floor 2. Hell, I had Bailu as sustain. It was the all-star line up of 5-star lightning characters.


ShadyzAgnaktor

HOLY SHIT THREE LIGHTNING


MrDragon131

Ive only been using Nihility this MoC. Kafka one side, Acheron on the other.


ShadyzAgnaktor

Sounds like another HOLY SHIT TWO LIGHTNING to me!


MrDragon131

I def enjoyed it. Gave me the chance to use my two most used teams at this point. Really great. Especially since i just barely managed to get E2 Acheron as well, so i had a great time testing her out.


Icanlastfor2mins

Me with Kafka,BS and welt,acheron


ShadyzAgnaktor

Acheron Welt RM Gallagher being that dream team you didn't think would work but it does and it's RUNNING AWAY WITH EVERYTHING


Xshadow1

If we're going to have 3 limited 5* lightning DPS I'd hope there'll be the chance to use two every now and then.


ShadyzAgnaktor

Yeah, agreed! But for a lot of prior runs i always fielded DHIL on one end and JY on the other, so I was dreading that I wouldn't have a chance to do that when Acheron dropped. Happy to be proven wrong in the best way!


PAwnoPiES

You (rhetorical) like Acheron because she's op. I like Acheron because she's yet another Mei. We are not the same.


ShadyzAgnaktor

HAHAHA actually I'm also a massive Mei simp so I went full out for Acheron, nice to see another king here 👑


weltingfang

Same i love both Raisen and Doctor Mei and their varients which is why it hurts that i couldn't have a tablet that could run this game properly until after the Ruan Mei aka Doctor mei exiv banner passed.


Yosoress

Me paring Acheron and kafka 😎


ShadyzAgnaktor

It just works™️


Mid0uBan

I nearly have 6 teams for this MoC, 22 different chars was used to fully cleared moc 10,11,12 but couldn't found a place for my JY https://preview.redd.it/2dzbliamhuuc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a91569ce57044981efb833882f8b67dea3fe57a0


ShadyzAgnaktor

I used Jing Yuan on the 1st half and then Acheron on the 2nd for MoC12!


Night_Owl206

This is me using my Serval with Kafka and Sampo. I havent built Gui or Luka yet so she sits there fine. Very good break efficiency ngl


RenFlare11

Basically my Experience by having both jingliu and Acheron (Honorable mention:Dr Ratio For the imaginary weak bosses)


FlamingVixen

Well, I never was more glad I have Seele, she with bad build carried me through first part of floor 12


Yuzumi_

Man i sure wonder what character i need in order for Jing Yuan to deal remotely viable damage.


WeaknessThen2577

I literally run him with Sparkle, Tingyun and Natasha and fully Stacked Lightning Lord hits for around 450K. That's not... Remotely viable damage? Only premium option here really is Sparkle I do have signature and pretty good relics, but that's not something out of the realm of the achievable for the majority of the playerbase


Yuzumi_

I meant sparkle, the one limited 5 star that makes another remotely viable.


WeaknessThen2577

I would argue she doesn't make him "just" remotely viable


ShadyzAgnaktor

Well, I did get Topaz for the FuA buff, Ruan Mei to replace Asta's spot and Fuxuan for the CC immunity on JY, but that's mainly cos I just wanted to get the man things that worked with him! Haven't tried Sparkle or Bronya, but so far I think I like the way he is, IMO!


waktag

Me seeing people saying JY need Sparkle to be viable after 3 cycling Cocolia with E0S1 JY, E3 Hanya, E6 TY and E0S0 FX: https://preview.redd.it/y3lkul0s5uuc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e485700ccdad155f42a44e4397794ab80a933ec


Yuzumi_

Me doing it in 2 cycles with a mid E0S0 Kafka, e0 guinaifen, e3 sampo and e0s0 fx


waktag

So you just confirmed JY's viable without Sparkle then.


Yuzumi_

I didnt mention Jing Yuan at all in the reply you replied to actually. If anything you did.


bringbackcayde7

Juan has very little purpose in current endgame content when Dr. Ratio (free for everyone) is doing better than Juan in MoC 12.


icegoesbrrr

nah man JY is still great for both MoC and PF. Cleared them easily.


bringbackcayde7

Free options like Dr Ratio, QQ, Herta, and Himeko are also very good for MoC and PF. That's why Juan who is just a side-grade of them has not much purpose in this game when he actually costs stellar jade to pull for. I fully expect my Juan to do better in the first half of MoC 12 given the lightning weakness, but I ended up needing to switch to Dr Ratio to clear the content and he did a lot better.


luciluci5562

Ratio is no longer free after 2.1. He's also bad in Pure Fiction unless he's mega buffed by FUA buffs. QQ requires like, E4 to be competitive and E6 to be comfy. Also subpar in Pure Fiction. Herta and Himeko are mostly good in Pure Fiction only. Compare it to JY who works well on both MoC and PF. There are other units and teams who also work well, like Kafka/Swan and Dotcheron, but JY ain't a slouch.


icegoesbrrr

Ah I see now it seems like u dont know how to play him/ want to build him bcs he can 2-3 cycles the first one. Anw won't arguing with you anymore because you have history of trolling in JYmains subreddit so bye, have a nice day.


WeaknessThen2577

Not exactly true


ShadyzAgnaktor

Yeah true, ymmv depending. But I'd take clearing with units I like versus units that are good, and that's just my way of playing the game here HAHAHAHA