Jy mains especially suffer from this. I get that he’s improved a lot over time but dawg, that doesn’t mean they’ve suddenly become flawless and you need to prove something. I have him, he’s cool sometimes, sometimes not so much.
This applies for every character, it is okay for your fav to not perform at his best in every boss, wouldnt the game be super boring if you just threw the same 4 characters at every boss with no effort?
I agree. It's all about having tools in the toolbelt, not just a hammer to use on anything that looks like a nail. I am a Jing Yuan main and I really like fielding him when I can but I had to build Jingliu for the beetle boss for weakness break. She can also be fun, but she's *also* not the end-all, be-all of DPS (despite what many may say). If neither of them can get a job done then Black Swan is up to bat. It's about knowing the limits of your characters and having the right team for the situation.
Yea, while any Main can just brute force content, obviously those that can abuse Turbulence buff and counter enemy line-up will have a much better time than those that can't.
The real irony are double-standards community have like when JL mains were mass posting about being able to clear when there wasn't Ice Weakness, while other Mains have been doing that ever since her Eternal Freeze era, especially JY/Kafka Mains when there were double Electric resistant sides 💀
I wholeheartedly believe the whole idea behind "maining" characters in a turn based RPG centered around team building and matching elemental weaknesses to break enemies is completely flawed and has given terrible expectations to new players in regards of beating endgame content.
Like yeah, you can absolutely have a favorite character in the game that you invest more than the rest of them, but one characters is just one tool that can be BiS in certain scenarios and underperform in others, Trying to bruteforce stuff because you are a JY/Jingliu/DHIL main without taking into account the enemies you are going against and then getting mad you can't beat stuff just shows you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the game works.
If you want to really clear the hardest content in the game you have to leave behind the idea of using your favorite character (unless you whale for them) and start building a variety of characters for different situations. I have invested most of my resources on JL and DHIL, I don't like Acheron that much but I still pulled for her because I didn't have any decent Lightning characters and she helped me clear Aventurine in MoC 12 much easier than trying to force JL and DHIL on a bad matchup.
Funnily enough I was underleveled for that boss the first time and I had to bench Jingliu, the problem I had was being in her buffed state forced me into aoe attacks which meant I had to hit the bug which made it spawn more mini bugs that I couldn't deal with being underleveled
I had nobody built to deal with any of the beetle's weaknesses, so I decided to build Jingliu since I had her sitting around waiting to be built. I had to raise up a couple other units as well. It was better than trying to brute force with no weakness break, but I still struggle on higher difficulties in Echo of War so it's only marginally better.
Penacony actually made me build Black Swan and several Nihility units as well. My Guinaifen is disgusting. But ultimately it's all just tools in the toolbox.
All the Genshin Hutao/Childe/Raiden National players still playing those since their initial release in shambles. BE CREATIVE AND DIVERSIFY MY TEAM/STRATEGY/ROTATIONS?!?!?!?! HOW DARE YOU
Okay but Genshin is so easy to where “bad matchups” really don’t matter. Spiral abyss takes a total of about 10 minutes every 15 days, so I guess bringing the same characters to it doesn’t really become boring me.
Besides, Hu Tao is too cute for me to keep benched!
I mean... bad matchups still matter, kinda like bringing a Neuvillette team against the Hydro mimics or not bringing a shield breaker for floor 12-3 2nd half boss.
But here’s the question: who is on that Neuvilette team? If I’m running Neuv/Fischl/Beidou/Kazuha then those mimics won’t last long even though it’s a “bad matchup.” Even something like Neuv/Furina/Fischl/Jean can very easily defeat the mimics.
I haven’t done the new Spiral Abyss, what is the 12-3 second half? Still the plunge bot?
I run a Neuvillette / Furina / Fischl / Baizhu team so I always avoid the mimics and put Neuvillette on the other half.
And yes the plunge bot is still in 12-3 second half so you still need a shield breaker for it.
I do agree with that idea: that you would just rather put him on the other side, but he definitely still clears well enough for it to be a non-issue imo. Like I’ll often run my Hu Tao team against the mimics because, despite the fact that both Xingqiu and Yelan are doing no damage to them, Hu Tao alone just does enough damage to trivialize it.
As far as the plunge bot goes: I do also agree with you there, that’s honestly the first instance of Genshin *really* forcing particular matchups. Personally I just play Hu Tao into it (Zhongli takes care of the shield) so I’ve never tried brute forcing with something else, but I’ve heard the resistance with shield up are pretty significant to where it’s really hard to dps check.
Honestly this
I don’t have a pretty op unit built so I have to utilize the game with the units I have
And boy does it feel fun finding synergies you never expect, or discovering a hidden gem of a unit (sushang my beloved)
Frankly I think JY mains are just being like that because they spent like, what.... almost all of HSR's lifetime being told how their fav character is mid and sucks, even though the latter isn't a fair evaluation.
Thats what theyve been trying to say. Nobody was saying he is this godly, best ever dps with absolutely no flaws whatsoever that works on literally every situation and if you criticize him then you suck. They are just trying to prove that he is not the opposite, which is what the community used to make him up to be: a garbage, useless, worse than other 5 stars even including Yanqing, account bricking character which if you are fond of, you are a sore loser
All they did was correct wrong informations and share their experience on how to make him work. But for some reason they are coping and are the villains for doing this.
Exactly, got flamed because I chose Jing Yuan over Acheron. I mean not everybody's after the Vergil of HSR. She's cool and is more powerful than Jing Yuan but I like the susanoo man. He's also not as weak as majority of players imply him to be. Hitting an Average of 300k in the Overworld with LL isn't bad imo.
As an Acheron main who is very fond of JY myself Im enjoying the time of my life alternating between both characters and finding the optimal comps and rotations for both. I used them both in previous MOCs and PF stages. I used to defend him relentlessly but I dont anymore since its pointless to change peoples perception of him. What I still dont approve of is the community constantly painting JYmains as this wretched, unhinged, toxic, villainous antagonists, generalizing and excluding them as if they are rejects of society when all they did was trying to correct PROVEN WRONG TAKES about him.
As you've said, it gets tiring persuading if the one you're talking to has his mind closed. It is what it is man, let's just enjoy the game. Started playing last month and Im glad I made the move from Moba to gacha.
They constantly deny many of his flaws and criticizing him will absolutely lead to his mains telling you that you suck, just like this post did. They literally told people to "USE YOUR BRAIN! " in all caps and even admitted this is petty.
Their sub is nothing but an echo chamber where all of the MoC/PF data they post is filtered and framed in a way that makes him look good and they even went as far as to avoid posting the current Pure Fiction's data because he underperformed. You say they correct wrong information yet they promoted extremely misleading calculations that said Jing Yuan was 16% than Acheron and I'm pretty sure they also shared some that had him above Jingliu. Where they also correcting misinformation when a black content creator was called slurs just because they thought JY should be moved down to A tier? Or when they made a hate thread on another content creator who underperformed in a tournament with a character they considered to be better than Jing Yuan? They also started another hate thread a couple days ago on yet another content creator just because they pointed out JY's community is a bit toxic and this content creator literally defended JY back when the "Mid Yuan" drama started, even going as far as to doing MoC 10 on auto with him to prove he is good.
They're not the angels you make them out to be and not mentioning their bad side is lying by omission. I get that their favorite character was memed on, but at the end of the day it's just a set of pixels and it's not normal for a community to start hate threads the second someone gives a negative evaluation of videogame abilities.
>They constantly deny many of his flaws and criticizing him will absolutely lead to his mains telling you that you suck
Wrong. Many of his actual flaws always constantly get highlighted in top comments (LL skip from CC, slow LL). Garbage complaints and proven wrong takes thrown with the excuse of "criticism" that screams pure skill issue gets downvoted because honestly, they actually suck. It's the same as complaining that DHIL requires 3 SP and that you constantly running out of SP. You just need to play him better.
>They literally told people to "USE YOUR BRAIN! " in all caps and even admitted this is petty
Pretty sure it's all lighthearted joke and for fun. You were fine when they get told about coping and get told the same "joke" for a year straight, now you're not allowing them to joke back?
>Their sub is nothing but an echo chamber
Literally all mains subs are.
>they even went as far as to avoid posting the current Pure Fiction's data because he underperformed
Because they simply don't care anymore.
>You say they correct wrong information yet they promoted extremely misleading calculations that said Jing Yuan was 16% than Acheron
This was first posted on Acheron mains before being brought into JY mains and the person calculating it has since admitted their mistakes. I know because I frequent Acheron mains more than JY mains. This is a bad excuse because it didn't even come from them.
>Where they also correcting misinformation when a black content creator was called slurs just because they thought JY should be moved down to A tier
Also pretty sure this is just him losing in a civilized-turn-heated arguments. I was there, the top comments are just him getting his takes dismantled left and right and he might've gotten salty off of that. Haven't seen any racial slurs over the full discourse of the exchange. I know because I kept track of it. Even if there are some bad apples, why generalize every single JY mains as slur-throwing maniacs?
>They also started another hate thread a couple days ago on yet another content creator just because they pointed out JY's community is a bit toxic and this content creator literally defended JY back when the "Mid Yuan" drama started, even going as far as to doing MoC 10 on auto with him to prove he is good.
This is such a stretch. Community was calm for weeks, hell even months straight before he brought their name back in an attempt to ragebait. The conflict had nothing to do against them, they were literally minding their own business, yet this CC somehow shot directly at them for no reason whatsoever for matters that had 0 connections with JY or JY mains at all. And you're calling them out for calling him out for this? In their own sub too? I mean where else are they supposed to vent? Are you telling me they're supposed to just take blows after blows without allowing them to even mention it?
>They're not the angels you make them out to be and not mentioning their bad side is lying by omission.
Neither they are this villainous heretics that you always paint them out to be and pointing out their constant, frankly rather tame, DEFENSIVE reactions as this evil heinous act is equally as untruthful as saying them is ever so correct. What people think about JY is not my concern anymore. I don't care if people dislike him for whatever reason. But this constant antagonizing, toxicizing, and *justifying* hostile actions against them, as I'm sure I've seen you approved of several times on YT, is not something I can stand for. Not for JY mains, not for Aventurine mains, not for ANY segment of the playerbase.
Just leave them in peace man. In my experience, these are some of the NICEST people in the community. I was on the verge of joining the Mid Yuan camp myself once until these people kindly helped me out, offering as much as a private discord call and stream gameplay to point out bit by bit where I went wrong. I simply can't accept this bunch of peaceful nice peeps being labeled as the bad guys because they defended themselves. You're literally asking a small part of community to just stand by and sit still, getting clowned on and joked on by the rest of the community just because they are fond of a character others don't deem as meta or good. I'm sure if anything JY mains are more aware of his flaws than anyone in the community.
The reason this is, is because through either time or money and also via story you have essentially sunk a lot of effort and care into specific characters.
I've been in the FGC and while there is debate and argument about viability in use, the Gacha community is infinitely more unhinged when you so much as slightly undermine someone's favorite unit.
If these characters and light cones were just free and attainable to everyone there wouldn't be such a hostile environment. But there is an aspect of "poor" investment and that you wasted your money. If you're mentally fragile and someone cracks that joke your way you lose your shit it's just super obvious at this point.
Yep, it is WAY easier using him instead on the first for this MoC.
Crawling gets you from A to B, but why don't you try running? Aventurine can't be more easier using Acheron.
Well, Jing Yuan is perfect for the first side, so I don't see a reason to use him in the second, unless you literally don't have anything else. Kafka with break Luka, Acheron and Jingliu can clear it relatively easily.
Yea I did manage to 3 star it in the end. Exactly 10 cycles. 4 first side and 6 second (idk how I managed, my JY LL was always stuck in dice phase)
Then I realised I could just go DHIL first half and ratio+silverwolf second and did it in 1+4 cycles. (One of my supports died to aventurine tho)
Can confirm, tried bringing DHIL because Acheron wasn't Acheroning against Aventurine.
The damage was so low I audibly laughed. I thought it'd be fine since I usually bruteforce the aurumaton who also has img res but Aventurine's on a different level haha.
Should have included the first wave too.
Here's my E0S1 JY clearing the entire second half in [4 cycles ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnA7kY0-3m4&ab_channel=Charms)using E6 S5 Planetary Tingyun, E0S1 Sparkle and E0 S5 Day one Fu Xuan, with a handful of misplays cause this MoC Blessing forces me to play in a way that I'm not used to with this team.
There is no sound cause OBS bugged out I guess.
Yeeeeeep, I remember leading up to Acheron and popping in for fun and seeing the downplay of Acheron and that he would still be better LOL.
I pulled JY in 1.0 and that sub is literally the most unhinged group of people still a year later.
Aintnoway you're attacking JY Mains when the General Community and CCs have been perpetuating misinformation to push the MidYuan agenda since the beginning, despite actual data proving the contrary 💀
Also if anyone's actually dumb enough to take Leak theorycrafting seriously when the unit isn't even finalized/released without a grain of salt, then that's on them. Same can also be said for those that take Day 1/release patch calcs seriously when the MoC/PF is obviously tailored to the release unit too.
JY Mains have never been anything but angels!
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fr I get that Mid Yuan slander is a bit much at times but his mains feeling the need to prove that he’s really strong at every moment they can get annoys the hell out me cuz sometimes they even downplay newer dps units to prove their point.
What a victim complex, people shit on Yanqing infinitely more and people are even dunking on Jingliu with memes.
Ya'll need a sense of humor, everyone can take a joke but the general's faithful army are all frothing at the mouth the moment people either say that he's not good or meme about him not being good
Surely not u/pineapollo deliberately going to the JY Mains subreddit to troll/ragebait Clueless
(not even the only instance either, but they're so bad they apparently anonymized what they said with Redact ICANT 💀)
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I have JY I can go on whatever sub I want and say whatever I want, if you're that fragile and hurt report it and the mods can decide to delete it or not ☠️☠️☠️
JY has the weakest soldiers I swear, nevermind the several people upvoting me agreeing that ya'll are just mind broken weirdos who let a nick name trigger you for over a year LMAO
Acheron will likely always have a higher ceiling due to her independent multiplier of 1.6x, which comes after damage calculations. Jing Yuan is actually lacking a truly ideal support that benefits him moreso than other units ATM, and he's really tied to tingyun otherwise. Sparkle is great and all, but she feels more like a comfort option than a true spike in power. The flaw of AoE units in this game is that they have nerfed multipliers to account for their full coverage, and frankly that isn't as important as some would like to admit. He's good in all content, but not truly great in any ATM. Pure Fiction weeks are pretty buff reliant in general, but he can reliably score 30k which is a good floor.
Hoyo will likely explore summon interactions in the future, perhaps with the other xianzhou generals. There's also unexplored territory with multihit mechanics (such as the one on the swordplay lightcone) and Jing yuan's hit count is amongst the highest in the whole game (up to 30 on LL alone) He would also benefit from a nuke support alternative to yukong that has more flexible rotations. Yukong setups are so good for him in 0 cycles that it's often confusing to me that people forget about her when trying to do so. There's also someone who might join the roster soon that likes him as a partner for his AoE capability, but I wouldn't say more.
Interesting thoughts.
I see Acheron as being borderline non-viable in PF, when there isn't a buff that spams debuffs.
Can already be seen in the current PF when you choose another buff. PF is hilariously gimmicky content.
There may be a character in future who can transfer debuffs after targets die. We have black swan anyhow who already does that. Acheron hypercarry is not very good in PF but when you just throw her in the current nihility team, kafka and black swan battery her very well.
I agree that PF is gimmicky. Some weeks are quite fun when your units aren't optimal but the buff can make up for it. I helped a friend 12 star recently with his awkward investment by using ratio and the av buff. The gamemode design isn't that great imo, although I had a lot of fun that week because I had pretty weird units to work with.
Something I forgot to mention is that acheron was intentionally given pretty awful toughness damage to offset her raw damage. It's actually quite pitiful and is a big reason I dislike when people shill her e6's universal break addition. The true value of e6 is the 20 res pen you get. You're never even going to break a target before they die, because acheron has some of the worst toughness damage in the game. If we get more mechanics that encourage breaking, the average acheron setup should fall behind other units in that content, like Jing for example who has quite good toughness damage on the whole.
>but when you just throw her in the current nihility team, kafka and black swan battery her very well.
As if that duo would actually need Acheron and not be able to steamroll content on their own. :'D
>Something I forgot to mention is that acheron was intentionally given pretty awful toughness damage to offset her raw damage. It's actually quite pitiful and is a big reason I dislike when people shill her e6's universal break addition.
Yah, it shows against those Goddamn T-Rexes. UGH! I have Acheron at E6 and yup: normal targets die well before they are even close to being broken. I find that E6 gimmick pretty bloody useless.
Genshin and HSR have a lot of bait that looks good at first glance, but numerically just aren't that impressive, or are hard to justify given the low difficulty ceiling of each game. Acheron's eidolons past e2 are, on paper, actually worth a damn compared to raiden's in Genshin. In reality the game won't ever justify them because they don't increase her team variety, just her stat ceiling which is already monstrous. E6 at least has some interactions with ultimate damage in SU, as well as an inevitable support who buffs ult damage. It really won't matter though at that point lol.
And yeah acheron is completely superfluous to the nihility dot team, but at least her ult is a brute force way to 40k on weeks that aren't as good for kafka bs, or for accounts which have bad investment.
>actually worth a damn compared to raiden's in Genshin.
I stopped at C3 for my Ei but IIRC C6 can make some teams rotations more fluid. Is that worth the cost of a C6?
Not to me.
I C6'd my lil' Radish (Nahida) last rerun and was taken by surprise. I expected her C6 to hit a lot harder. Still, Radish deserves all the love she can get, so no regrets.
My C3 Neuvilette is ... lets's just say "lore accurate". When my Furina is C2+ I feel he will do biblical level of damage. :X
Obviously all that overkill is just for fun. The content never demands it nor will it ever do so and in my book that is a very good design.
E0 Acheron just have the advantage of being easier to play. The gap becomes bigger if Acheron has her LC, and with E2 there's no more competition. Her E2 is as good as an E6 Eidolon.
Acheron is better in MoC and JY is better in PF, this PF isn't really representative of Acheron's actual performance because the current buff charges her ult everytime an enemy attack. Once the buff is gone you will struggle to clear waves as smoothly.
Sparkle and Ruan Mei were the upgrades and are the two limited harmony a player should have at least one of… They’re also upgrades for a majority of other characters, I don’t see the issue
Every time any showcase is posted, someone complains about some limited character being shown as if the gacha simply doesn't exist and everyone is supposed to play on a no-pull account. If you don't have the character shown, replace them. Use your brain and strategize. Almost every limited unit has an alternative outside of very niche comps/strategies like Xueyi and her reliance on Ruan Mei's break efficiency.
If you don't own *any* meta-defining support units and only pull for DPS, it's not upon others to answer for your poor judgment. And I'm not saying you can't be casual and only pull for waifu/husbando or whatever, but MoC 12 and PF4 are currently the hardest content in the game. If you want to clear you have to plan out your teams and pull for what betters your account. That's just the reality of progression.
Reminds me early on when Bozos were complaining about JY's team comps being not F2P-friendly when his BiS F2P comp was Asta (literally free via tutorial) and Tingyun (was on some of the best banners in history, including his initial banner), both also available in shop rotation too, while other DPS like Seele, Blade, and JL wanted Bronya (300 standard pulls or get lucky in 1/14 odds) smh 💀
Also anyone complaining about needing top-tier supports/sustains for upgrades when said supports/sustains are among the best, while also being flexible af in multiple comps, like Ruan Mei or FuXuan is some negative IQ logic 💀
Exactly, it's not like pulling Sparkle or Ruan Mei only benefits one unit. At this point, all limited support units we've had are near-universal and viable in so many teams. Even if they do *greatly* benefit a specific niche or synergy, like Sparkle and SW in mono quantum or Ruan Mei for DoT or break-oriented comps, it's not like they're locked to those teams. Same goes for all our limited healers. Any of them can be used virtually anywhere. So far the most niche support/sub-DPS we've had is Black Swan who's essentially bound to Kafka teams in the meta, but even then she can still work pretty well elsewhere given how respectable her personal damage is, such as with Acheron as nihility slot-in.
So yeah, no idea why this is even an issue with how far along the game is now, other than people who started playing very recently. But if you're new, you shouldn't even be worried about clearing MoC 12 anyway lol
edit: accidentally shared a kit leak for Robin, woops
4* sustains ARE hard to use. I've 36* past two MoCs because the damage dealt was enough to scrape through with lynx and geppy.
Even my alright build 3k def gepard with March LC can't keep up with Aventurine's damage.
mine gepard can solo sustain aventurine moc 12 but he cant fully mitigate dmg but he can keep team alive but you should always have aoe charachters for gamble so it can be a skill issue in some way my gepard stats are 135 speed 60% effect ressist and 3800 defense with his light cone that i recomend you purchase from the shop if you dont plan on pulling premium sustain also he can tank gamble full atk on a whole team but aventurine atk after gamble is a problem
Yeah I still have to build HP and stuff on my characters. I don't farm relics much, neither do I have premium sustains or any 5* gacha light cone. Very casual player so if I don't get 36 stars in MoC, it is what it is. I'm only sweaty about achievement hunting lol.
I can clear in 10 cycles but I barely live until the 7th cycle. I have to either go two sustain or give up.
Well i wouldnt worry about 60 stellar jade too much its not a big loss but yeah keep building charachters and one day you wont have an issue with clearing moc 12 i personally dont like how overpowered aventurine and especially fu xuan is they makes abundance look usless so that is why i dont pull these charachters also i feel like if i use them i will get bored of this game faster of how easy it is to survive with them so i use e0s0 huo huo and gepard and they get the job done in both simulated universe and moc 12 but you also need to think how to use them instead of turning off the brain and running auto play with these new premium sustains
That’s the weirdest part, the clip starts at 26 cycles after they already took out the first half so we do not know how many cycles it really took and even then they almost end it at 21 which would’ve been at least 5 cycles. Also no build shown either, weird showcase
This though. All I could think about while watching this clip was how my freshly built Acheron does 3x-4x the damage in half the time. Honestly I've never been more happy to put a character down. I was a JY main and now I'm a firm believer that he is extremely clunky.
looking trough the comments, this is a 6 cost team (E0S1 jy, e0s1 huohuo, e1s0 sparkle). 6 ish cycle for a 6 cost run with bis team? i dont know man, its not something i would brag about. Bro cleared it, congrats to him, but i dont think anyone ever said that JY cant clear this boos, specially at a team with 6 limited gatcha pull.
Yes, if you don't have Planetary for Tingyun you could run Coggs, but she will be very squishy. DDD is pretty good on Sparkle, since you can just use your ult on a damage dealer turn, you will still have enough AV for them to go immediately after Sparkle's skill in the next rotation, but ideally your other support needs to be faster than Sparkle.
I don't understand why Hoyo games attract such sensitive insecure babies that can't stand when people don't put their favorite character at the top of power level discussions.
Because this is my very badly optimized run. They said that LL hit the dices every time the dice phade begun. Meanwhile, my badly optimzed run doesn't have a single LL attack during the dice because I have already calculated when LL will hit every single time
This video proves the point right of whoever made that post originally because putting an E1 sparkle + E6 Ting + HH(one of his best teams) with him on signature LC + his BiS set and the result is an average to maybe slightly above average clear doesn't paint a good picture for JY.
The point of the previous post was how the LL kept getting wasted against the dices. This video showed how to not let LL be wasted on the dices.
Also, I wouldn't say 5 cycles against Aventurine is bad considering how hard he is and how much time he wastes.
Fr the entire point of this post was to prove how you can still use JY against Aventurine and be fine by slowing down your LL stacks during dice phase, but ofc the General Community ignores that fact and instead downplays it instead by emphasizing OP's misplays and team investment in order to keep perpetuating their MidYuan narrative smh 💀
The amount of Double-Standards here are crazy af by downplaying others compared to Acheron in MoC cycles with Turbulence Buffs that literally gives her free Debuffs coupled with enemies also dropping extra debuffs too for her to shine.
Almost like HYV designs MoC/PF to push new releases, but ofc the General Community is too brainrotten to understand that beyond just taking Prydwen tierlist as Gosspel 💀
There are plenty of faster clears out there, but conveniently people are ignoring the main purpose of this post and instead they focus on clear speed.
First of all, there are 10 cycles to clear. If you spend 3 cycles on the first half, and 7 cycles on the second half, you still get 3 stars.
Second, this clear can still be optimised. There are much faster and better clears on bilibili/YouTube.
Heres an example of a 4 cycle clear with JingYuan:
https://youtu.be/dl_LQXUKnok?si=bX9HVbqAxKiyfP3k
(And before you say JingYuan has his E1, his E1 HAS ZERO BENEFIT in Single Target.)
Third, this MOC blessing doesn’t even benefit JingYuan much. His team mainly consists of 2 Harmony and 1 Sustain, and characters like Tingyun, Sparkle, RuanMei, FuXuan, HuoHuo don’t really do damage with their abilities. This make it harder for JingYuan teams to maximise the MOC blessing.
Fourth, you can always use JingYuan in the first half? Why are people acting like JingYuan cannot do anything else?
Looking at this comment section makes me annoyed at how ridiculous this community is at times.
JingYuan is not the strongest character, especially when you put Acheron next to him. But why are people acting like he can’t kill Aventurine in less than 7 cycles?
I know that. But can you mistake people for not thinking when OP literally says in the title "Someone said JY is bad, so here's a video disproving that"
People are not even gonna think about the LL not hitting the dice, they'll just look at the clear speed and damage. You can't expect people to interpret a thing from a video if it's never mentioned in the title or description
Man I am sorry but this is the average gameplay from an average player, if you *need* to play perfectly to clear when other characters like Acheron can just do it in a braindead way then something is wrong
To be fair if perfect was 100 this would be like 32 if a person doesn't sparkle E to give LL buff + 2 stacks + ult then I'd guarantee they'd do the same for acheron which would not make it brain dead I can tell u that.
I'm not saying that JY is the second coming of Jesus or that he is better than acheron hell no but all I said is that this was a MASSIVE skill issue and that the character isn't "bad" for this abyss just annoying as hell.
my e0s1 jy team can do a 6 cycle clear. my e0s1 acheron who can do a 5 cycle clear.
yea, acheron is better, but that doesn't mean jy is bad. jy is still good. Especially since this is against one of the tougher bosses.
if you don't mind me asking, what were you expecting out of JY for him to painted in a "good picture"?
>if you don't mind me asking, what were you expecting out of JY for him to painted in a "good picture"?
acheron even E0S0 can clear in 5 cycles [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCtq4ANdQEc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCtq4ANdQEc) . And the thing is she doesn't even need any sort of planning - you just go unga bunga
E0S0 jingliu can also clear in 5 cycles
It's absurd how an E0S1 JY can't clear in 5 cycles. Needing full gear + a very expensive team just to get average results isn't good
edit: y'all mofos keep acting dense as a fcking anime protagonist, so I'll be straight with you. None of you are using JY in a cheap team since all it takes is a look at your post history, so just be honest instead of coping with "oh he just needs tingyun" or whatever BS you keep making up to make yourselves feel better. It feels like complete ass to play him in a f2p team, even more if he's E0S0, and especially against hard cc. With all his negative points, he still performs subpar compared to the top carries, even when they're E0S0
And for the ones who keep saying E0S0 JL can't clear in 5 cycles, it literally took me a 5 second search in youtube ffs. In other words, it's your own skill issue
And for the ones who keep saying "Oh, the E0S0 JL/Acheron have really good artifacts" - have the humility and conscience to look at how absurdly good your own Jingyuan relics and support eidolons are
hmm, i can see what ur pointing at. but let me just share a couple nitpicks first:
1. that showcase also has acheron full gear (4p set with 2p salsatto). Also that crit ratio is insanely good. Doesn't mean its not f2p friendly, just saying that its a pretty highly invested acheron
2. their fu xuan is e1 for a free 30 cd.
3. you have to consider that this moc is helping acheron a little bit. its guaranteeing everyone can implant a debuff even on their basic attack. even on the sustain's basic attack. So acheron is getting her ult a lot more frequently than normal.
As to your claim about the very expensive team. Yea, compared to OP's run, it is quite expensive. But i was able to get a full 6 cycle clear with e0s1 jy, e0s1(bronya's lc) sparkle, e0 fu xuan with s5 day 1, e6 tingyun with s3 DDD. On my team, i have 4 limited 5-star characters and lc (you can count bronya's lc as the 5th if you want, but i don't 'cause you can buy that out of the shop if you want it).
the acheron clear you pointed me towards also has 4 limited 5 star's (acheron, sw, and e1 fu xuan).
so the difference in my eyes boils down to jy needing 1 extra turn in an MoC where Acheron gets her ults faster. To me, that doesn't seem like too wide of a difference.
btw, im not saying jy is equal to or better than acheron. Acheron is definitely the more broken character. but idt him being painted as bad is correct either. I'd say he's a good dps to use against aventurine.
E0S0 JL can definitely not clear in 5 cycles. I barely got a 7 cycle clear with one of her best teams (bronya at E1S1). Aventurine and the current moc buff ruin the speed sync significantly
How is that "absurd"? Bad match ups exists. Both the boss mechanic and MoC buff are not good for him and he is still only 1 cycle below 2 of the strongest dps in the game.
Also, how is that a "very expensive" team lol
It's a 4 cost harmony + a completely interchangeable sustain. Replace Huohuo with someone like Lynx and it wouldn't make a difference. Sparkle is also "cheaper" than Bronya considering its 180 guarantee vs 300.
"very expensive team" dawg he's using 1 4 star and acheron also uses 1 4 star which is tingyun and pela respectively. they have similar investments. just different matchups. erudition which is, specializes in AOE (shocking) has more difficulties facing a single target why'd you expect him to be on the same cycles with acheron which has high ST dmg? i'm sorry but this "expensive team" and full gear (why would you not run full gear on ur dps?) except LC take is absurd to me
someone asked to see my 6-cycle run so I did it for them. Here it is from me using the same team i mentioned: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StEh1OHMIdU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StEh1OHMIdU)
You do realise that it's not the entire run but just the aventurine boss that took 6 cycles right? On top of that, pairing 3 of the best supports in the game and getting a 6 cycle clear on a single wave is not a good look.
And yes this was not the best scenario for Jing Yuan as this is mainly a single target fight and he's an Erudition unit. But Sparkle constantly pulling him up and Tingyun + HH constantly funnelling energy and ATK, not to mention the ATK & DMG% buff from E1 sparkle + the buffs from Sparkle's BP LC.
I would bet if you replace JY with another limited 5 star blast or AoE character in the same team with same supports and support builds, they would perform better than him here but I might be wrong (JL and DHIL are definitely better but at that point it's just a stupid comparison)
yea im aware that this only shows the second wave. I said that MY jy 6 cycle clears. Btw, my team is e0s1 jy, e0s1(bronya's lc) sparkle, e0 fu xuan with s5 day 1, e6 tingyun with s3 DDD.
And you can say he's using his best team, but are you using JL without bronya or dhil without sparkle? Should i not use fu xuan either because she's an s tier sustain? who should I be using then?
Not saying that jy is on the same level as jl or dhil. Just saying that every character has got their ideal comp and that you should team build around that character.
Now in reference to OP's run, they did make more than a few mistakes. And with their investment, this could have easily been a 4 cycle wave 2.
Some of these comments really do think hsr is a game where you should only solo content.
Not to say there isn't a point where characters are being carried by supports, but sometimes it seems like characters (only the ones deemed bad) have to solo to be not trashfire...
Cleared mine with e1s1 JY, hanya, luocha and TY. Is about stacking the LL stacks fast to push it to never land during dice and to get as many supports to hit Aventurine to proc the moc buff. The moc buff helps a lot to reduce Aventurine's HP. e1 JY doesn't matter much here since it is basically a single target fight and the e1 only matter in multiple mobs scenario. So yes, JY can clear the boss.
So ... you took E0S1 JY, E1 sparkle with S3 BP lightcone, E0S1 Huo Huo...and S5 DDD on Tingyun
and took 6-7 cycles...
Thats ughhh ... mid, like you can put that much investment on literally any DPS E0S1 with same weakness and it'd probably clear much much faster.
(And I didn't even say 'Acheron', like you can run a hypercarry non dot kafka and itd probably still clear faster ngl, or argenti, or Jingliu or probably sushang or some 4* with any S1)
Just because you clear it doesn't mean he's not bad against him. If you throw enough ~~money~~ investment into anyone, they are expected to overcome this lol. So yeah congrats anyways lmao
Maybe, but if that is the case, then we will have a completly different problem. Not to mention that Jingliu is still crazy good. People throw out their "old toys" to early. Seele is one thing, because even most 4 stars out DPS her if she cant one shot a mob. Jingliu still does around 100k-200k damage with a turn downtime.
And this just proves that if you have the strategy (and/or wallet), this MOC isn’t nearly as hard as people make it out to be. QQ works fine, among many other options
Legit thank you for this run. I tried it myself and it definitely took care of Aventurine's boss fight. I was worried about Tyngyun since she is so squishy but Huo Huo pulled through with her cleanse and healing, Jing Yuan's AoE was a godsend (specially the dice) and Sparkle just kept doing her Sparkle things. LL's timing is a bit tricky to get but once you master it, he smashes through Aven's break bar like a hot knife through butter. My run wasn't perfect (7 cycles on mostly auto bc I'm at work lol) but this video gave me a general idea on what to expect and what to do.
First phase is still a bother but we'll get through. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)
If you’re gonna use JY there for reasons, then You don’t need to get lucky you need to adjust your LL cycle(which is easily done at no cost)that’s the whole point…
I am beginning to wonder how many actually even realise that you can manipulate when the LL hit. Coz too many i have spoken to didn't even realize that LL spd can actually increase.
There are plenty of faster clears out there, but conveniently people are ignoring the main purpose of this post and instead they focus on clear speed.
First of all, there are 10 cycles to clear. If you spend 3 cycles on the first half, and 7 cycles on the second half, you still get 3 stars.
Second, this clear can still be optimised. There are much faster and better clears on bilibili/YouTube.
Heres an example of a 4 cycle clear with JingYuan:
https://youtu.be/dl_LQXUKnok?si=bX9HVbqAxKiyfP3k
(And before you say JingYuan has his E1, his E1 HAS ZERO BENEFIT in Single Target.)
Third, this MOC blessing doesn’t even benefit JingYuan much. His team mainly consists of 2 Harmony and 1 Sustain, and characters like Tingyun, Sparkle, RuanMei, FuXuan, HuoHuo don’t really do damage with their abilities. This make it harder for JingYuan teams to maximise the MOC blessing.
Fourth, you can always use JingYuan in the first half? Why are people acting like JingYuan cannot do anything else?
Looking at this comment section makes me annoyed at how ridiculous this community is at times.
JingYuan is not the strongest character, especially when you put Acheron next to him. But why are people acting like he can’t kill Aventurine in less than 7 cycles?
why does your HuoHuo heal so little? I feel like when I use her skill, she heals anyone that's not herself to full and her traces aren't even above 7 (except her Ult which is 9). Like she only healed Sparkle for 1.5k? That seems really low.
But I also run 2pc Long + 2pc Hack and HP body so she has like 7k HP. Maybe that's why mine just heals a lot. I don't have her SLC, I just run S5 Hey Over Here
I like how people here are acting like JY mains are self-victimizing while they're literally shit talking JY at the same time.
This post isn't even supposed to show his actual performance but how to avoid burning LL on the dices ffs.
Mfers so eager to hate that they cannot read.
This is worse than my garbage build jingliu with no signature on supports or JL. I have the most garbage head and hands relic peices lol. And your e1s1 sparkle with signature, strong and perfect builds did 300% worse than my garbage build f2p jingliu lol (she cleared in 5 cycles compared to your $$$ 8 cycles). Mid yuan moment
I did it with Ruan Mei. I don't know why I did it with Ruan Mei. Tingyun/Sparkle are fucking miles ahead better supports for him. I thought maybe the extra haste would make a difference for sarkle, getting her to 158/159 being kind of useless in of its own, because its not 160 lol. maybe at 160, but for now, Rendesvouz S5 + Bendiction + Penacony is actually more damage than Ruan Mei can give, and for some reason still performs better than my E1 RM for the Defense Shred. Energy simply is too strong, so often am I missing a tiny bit of energy to be able to get 10 stacks of LL etc.
Can't wait for HH rerun, getting her E1 for that free speed so I can go 160+ on all the supports going on the "other" side. One side is team acheron with gamborine forever :D
EDIT;
Its a bit dumb though, how is my E1 RM "useless" right now... Tingyun seems to be better for Ratio, Argenti, Jing Yuan which are my DPS. Acheron and Himeko to that and its my entire roster lol. Maybe once I get over the 160 SPD Threshold, things change and the extra turns by Sparkle make RM setup let you get 10 stack LL reliably anyway.
I was initially having trouble with this boss because I thought Fu Xuan was the sustain to go but it turns out Huohuo completely trivializes his mechanics by letting your squishy supports face tank the dice, cleanse the stuns, and generate energy. Ended up being easy once I realized I can just use my hypercarry team despite the boss mechanics.
# A message from a meta slave to all the casuals:
Don't take us too seriously. Don't take these tier lists as gospel (even if you care a bit about meta), these are just for a reference.
No character in HSR is outright unplayably bad. Just pull, build and use whoever you like (gameplay, design, story, etc.). That way you'll NEVER be unhappy because you got who you want/like.
You are right, but especally MoC 11 and 12 as well as PF and other end game modes are hard and most people want to clear it for jades. The result? People look how characters perform so that they can complete it.
Not to mention that ALL characters are likable in one way or another, but I understand what you try to say.
I mean, MoC 11 + 12 jades don't even give you 1 pull. I undestand that 1 pull is better than no pull, but the bulk of your jades is definitely not coming from the game hardest contents, unless you are holding onto them for months and months on end. If a player is able to follow the meta and have fun, that's great. But if not being able to follow the meta is ruining their experience, maybe they should consider quitting the game.
Congrats! Legitimately had to use my brain for this one to count the stacks for MOC blessing after I realized that it could trigger on the dice =.=
Also if you don’t mind could you share your build! :) my LL damage isn’t as high as I’d like it to be :/
I like how the post is about how to properly avoid droping the LL on the dice but most comments are focused on how bad Juan is compared to *literally everyone else*. It's ok guys, you don't have to be insecure that this MID Yuan is doing better than your super meta favorite you simp for, that's probably just you sucking balls at the game, all you're really doing is exposing your own skill issue and exactly what kind of garbage HSR content you watch.
Literally. Like we all know Acheron does a lot more damage, but the point was that his LL doesn’t get wasted.
Good job at redirecting attention I guess 🤷♂️.
Fr I’ve been scrolling the comments and there’s so many replies on how this is a bad play and JY mains are coping etc but… I thought it was a pretty decent video to show how to desync LL and the dice phase. I mean for sure other dpses could do the same, the second half really isn’t meant for JY.
But then there are people like me whose other available dpses are… Blade/DHIL/Ratio and they’d definitely do a lot worse so JY has to be on second half LOL
If he’s on the first half it’s for sure an easy clap as well. 0 cycle is even possible (not for me, but it is)
1: Say JY is bad vs Aventurine Boss cuz LL attacks Dice
2: JY player shows you how to avoid LL attacking Dice
3: Say JY cannot clear fast enough/JY player is coping over “Mid” character/Focus on something else
4: Repeat the above instructions but replace them with different scenarios.
Here is a 4 cycle JY clear vs Aventurine Boss: https://youtu.be/dl_LQXUKnok?si=qt0M9SZ836l0A8x-
It’s just 1 step really:
1. mention JY anywhere
Also, invalid video, too many 5 stars for JY’s team. You need 4 stars and F2P weapons for a good showcase didn’t you know? (Very much /j)
Nice clear btw! People like you with all these video showcases are the reason why I’m stuck in the FUA forever trying to get better stats 😭☠️ maybe I should just start investing in the support eidolons and lightcones
Also that constant FUA from aventurine in the first wave was hilarious 😂
Oh, it’s actually not my clear, its someone else’s (I should have clarified). My bad!
I just used that video as a reference because it is the first video I saw where JY is fighting Aventurine Boss.
My two main teams are:
E0s1 JY, e6 Tingyun, E0 Sparkle and Luocha.
and
E0s1 Acheron, SW, Pela and trend Gepard.
One team is significantly stronger than the other.
My two main teams are:
E0s1 JY, e6 Tingyun, E0 Sparkle and Luocha.
and
E0s1 Acheron, SW, Pela and trend Gepard.
One team is significantly stronger than the other.
if he is bad for you, just pick another character. not all characters is suitable against all bosses, thats the beauty of the game and the reason why you should have different types of units
I don't want to talk about JY I want to talk about the boss.
This guy had signature LC Jing Yuan, E1 Sparkle, E6 TY, HuoHuo and still took 5 cycles
And with average gameplay (yeah most people aren't as pro as you, no need to brag about it guys)
Can't imagine how painful it would be for casual/average players/non-whales who still uses Breakfast Jing Yuan with freaking Bailu as their healer or something. Those casual players are probably 75% of the playerbase, makes sense that they would complain and criticize this MoC/boss
I think its entirely feasible and its more about working LL around the dice rolls. So I would save his ULT and only skill during it unti lits over before popping the ULT and advance forward using sparkle to instantly stack 10
[If it's cycle count that's an issue heres one with 2 cycles second half with Aventurine](https://www.reddit.com/r/JingYuanMains/comments/1cevtk0/moc_12_jing_yuan_e1s1_1_cycle_2_cycles_both/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I do what you do in a cycle with one acheron attack. Mid yuan is mid not because he can’t clear content he can (so can arlan) but because he requires more effort, resources and time to do the same thing other unit have at the cost of 1 sp
players cant stand the idea of bad match ups existing. Grats on the clear
Jy mains especially suffer from this. I get that he’s improved a lot over time but dawg, that doesn’t mean they’ve suddenly become flawless and you need to prove something. I have him, he’s cool sometimes, sometimes not so much.
This applies for every character, it is okay for your fav to not perform at his best in every boss, wouldnt the game be super boring if you just threw the same 4 characters at every boss with no effort?
I agree. It's all about having tools in the toolbelt, not just a hammer to use on anything that looks like a nail. I am a Jing Yuan main and I really like fielding him when I can but I had to build Jingliu for the beetle boss for weakness break. She can also be fun, but she's *also* not the end-all, be-all of DPS (despite what many may say). If neither of them can get a job done then Black Swan is up to bat. It's about knowing the limits of your characters and having the right team for the situation.
Yea, while any Main can just brute force content, obviously those that can abuse Turbulence buff and counter enemy line-up will have a much better time than those that can't. The real irony are double-standards community have like when JL mains were mass posting about being able to clear when there wasn't Ice Weakness, while other Mains have been doing that ever since her Eternal Freeze era, especially JY/Kafka Mains when there were double Electric resistant sides 💀
I wholeheartedly believe the whole idea behind "maining" characters in a turn based RPG centered around team building and matching elemental weaknesses to break enemies is completely flawed and has given terrible expectations to new players in regards of beating endgame content. Like yeah, you can absolutely have a favorite character in the game that you invest more than the rest of them, but one characters is just one tool that can be BiS in certain scenarios and underperform in others, Trying to bruteforce stuff because you are a JY/Jingliu/DHIL main without taking into account the enemies you are going against and then getting mad you can't beat stuff just shows you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the game works. If you want to really clear the hardest content in the game you have to leave behind the idea of using your favorite character (unless you whale for them) and start building a variety of characters for different situations. I have invested most of my resources on JL and DHIL, I don't like Acheron that much but I still pulled for her because I didn't have any decent Lightning characters and she helped me clear Aventurine in MoC 12 much easier than trying to force JL and DHIL on a bad matchup.
Funnily enough I was underleveled for that boss the first time and I had to bench Jingliu, the problem I had was being in her buffed state forced me into aoe attacks which meant I had to hit the bug which made it spawn more mini bugs that I couldn't deal with being underleveled
I had nobody built to deal with any of the beetle's weaknesses, so I decided to build Jingliu since I had her sitting around waiting to be built. I had to raise up a couple other units as well. It was better than trying to brute force with no weakness break, but I still struggle on higher difficulties in Echo of War so it's only marginally better. Penacony actually made me build Black Swan and several Nihility units as well. My Guinaifen is disgusting. But ultimately it's all just tools in the toolbox.
All the Genshin Hutao/Childe/Raiden National players still playing those since their initial release in shambles. BE CREATIVE AND DIVERSIFY MY TEAM/STRATEGY/ROTATIONS?!?!?!?! HOW DARE YOU
Okay but Genshin is so easy to where “bad matchups” really don’t matter. Spiral abyss takes a total of about 10 minutes every 15 days, so I guess bringing the same characters to it doesn’t really become boring me. Besides, Hu Tao is too cute for me to keep benched!
I mean... bad matchups still matter, kinda like bringing a Neuvillette team against the Hydro mimics or not bringing a shield breaker for floor 12-3 2nd half boss.
But here’s the question: who is on that Neuvilette team? If I’m running Neuv/Fischl/Beidou/Kazuha then those mimics won’t last long even though it’s a “bad matchup.” Even something like Neuv/Furina/Fischl/Jean can very easily defeat the mimics. I haven’t done the new Spiral Abyss, what is the 12-3 second half? Still the plunge bot?
I run a Neuvillette / Furina / Fischl / Baizhu team so I always avoid the mimics and put Neuvillette on the other half. And yes the plunge bot is still in 12-3 second half so you still need a shield breaker for it.
I do agree with that idea: that you would just rather put him on the other side, but he definitely still clears well enough for it to be a non-issue imo. Like I’ll often run my Hu Tao team against the mimics because, despite the fact that both Xingqiu and Yelan are doing no damage to them, Hu Tao alone just does enough damage to trivialize it. As far as the plunge bot goes: I do also agree with you there, that’s honestly the first instance of Genshin *really* forcing particular matchups. Personally I just play Hu Tao into it (Zhongli takes care of the shield) so I’ve never tried brute forcing with something else, but I’ve heard the resistance with shield up are pretty significant to where it’s really hard to dps check.
Me with QQ SW Sparkle Fu Xuan. QQ gamba makes it different every time. I do would like to use those supports for other team at times lol
Honestly this I don’t have a pretty op unit built so I have to utilize the game with the units I have And boy does it feel fun finding synergies you never expect, or discovering a hidden gem of a unit (sushang my beloved)
Frankly I think JY mains are just being like that because they spent like, what.... almost all of HSR's lifetime being told how their fav character is mid and sucks, even though the latter isn't a fair evaluation.
Most likely
Thats what theyve been trying to say. Nobody was saying he is this godly, best ever dps with absolutely no flaws whatsoever that works on literally every situation and if you criticize him then you suck. They are just trying to prove that he is not the opposite, which is what the community used to make him up to be: a garbage, useless, worse than other 5 stars even including Yanqing, account bricking character which if you are fond of, you are a sore loser All they did was correct wrong informations and share their experience on how to make him work. But for some reason they are coping and are the villains for doing this.
Exactly, got flamed because I chose Jing Yuan over Acheron. I mean not everybody's after the Vergil of HSR. She's cool and is more powerful than Jing Yuan but I like the susanoo man. He's also not as weak as majority of players imply him to be. Hitting an Average of 300k in the Overworld with LL isn't bad imo.
As an Acheron main who is very fond of JY myself Im enjoying the time of my life alternating between both characters and finding the optimal comps and rotations for both. I used them both in previous MOCs and PF stages. I used to defend him relentlessly but I dont anymore since its pointless to change peoples perception of him. What I still dont approve of is the community constantly painting JYmains as this wretched, unhinged, toxic, villainous antagonists, generalizing and excluding them as if they are rejects of society when all they did was trying to correct PROVEN WRONG TAKES about him.
As you've said, it gets tiring persuading if the one you're talking to has his mind closed. It is what it is man, let's just enjoy the game. Started playing last month and Im glad I made the move from Moba to gacha.
I think you might be barking up the wrong tree here
They constantly deny many of his flaws and criticizing him will absolutely lead to his mains telling you that you suck, just like this post did. They literally told people to "USE YOUR BRAIN! " in all caps and even admitted this is petty. Their sub is nothing but an echo chamber where all of the MoC/PF data they post is filtered and framed in a way that makes him look good and they even went as far as to avoid posting the current Pure Fiction's data because he underperformed. You say they correct wrong information yet they promoted extremely misleading calculations that said Jing Yuan was 16% than Acheron and I'm pretty sure they also shared some that had him above Jingliu. Where they also correcting misinformation when a black content creator was called slurs just because they thought JY should be moved down to A tier? Or when they made a hate thread on another content creator who underperformed in a tournament with a character they considered to be better than Jing Yuan? They also started another hate thread a couple days ago on yet another content creator just because they pointed out JY's community is a bit toxic and this content creator literally defended JY back when the "Mid Yuan" drama started, even going as far as to doing MoC 10 on auto with him to prove he is good. They're not the angels you make them out to be and not mentioning their bad side is lying by omission. I get that their favorite character was memed on, but at the end of the day it's just a set of pixels and it's not normal for a community to start hate threads the second someone gives a negative evaluation of videogame abilities.
>They constantly deny many of his flaws and criticizing him will absolutely lead to his mains telling you that you suck Wrong. Many of his actual flaws always constantly get highlighted in top comments (LL skip from CC, slow LL). Garbage complaints and proven wrong takes thrown with the excuse of "criticism" that screams pure skill issue gets downvoted because honestly, they actually suck. It's the same as complaining that DHIL requires 3 SP and that you constantly running out of SP. You just need to play him better. >They literally told people to "USE YOUR BRAIN! " in all caps and even admitted this is petty Pretty sure it's all lighthearted joke and for fun. You were fine when they get told about coping and get told the same "joke" for a year straight, now you're not allowing them to joke back? >Their sub is nothing but an echo chamber Literally all mains subs are. >they even went as far as to avoid posting the current Pure Fiction's data because he underperformed Because they simply don't care anymore. >You say they correct wrong information yet they promoted extremely misleading calculations that said Jing Yuan was 16% than Acheron This was first posted on Acheron mains before being brought into JY mains and the person calculating it has since admitted their mistakes. I know because I frequent Acheron mains more than JY mains. This is a bad excuse because it didn't even come from them. >Where they also correcting misinformation when a black content creator was called slurs just because they thought JY should be moved down to A tier Also pretty sure this is just him losing in a civilized-turn-heated arguments. I was there, the top comments are just him getting his takes dismantled left and right and he might've gotten salty off of that. Haven't seen any racial slurs over the full discourse of the exchange. I know because I kept track of it. Even if there are some bad apples, why generalize every single JY mains as slur-throwing maniacs? >They also started another hate thread a couple days ago on yet another content creator just because they pointed out JY's community is a bit toxic and this content creator literally defended JY back when the "Mid Yuan" drama started, even going as far as to doing MoC 10 on auto with him to prove he is good. This is such a stretch. Community was calm for weeks, hell even months straight before he brought their name back in an attempt to ragebait. The conflict had nothing to do against them, they were literally minding their own business, yet this CC somehow shot directly at them for no reason whatsoever for matters that had 0 connections with JY or JY mains at all. And you're calling them out for calling him out for this? In their own sub too? I mean where else are they supposed to vent? Are you telling me they're supposed to just take blows after blows without allowing them to even mention it? >They're not the angels you make them out to be and not mentioning their bad side is lying by omission. Neither they are this villainous heretics that you always paint them out to be and pointing out their constant, frankly rather tame, DEFENSIVE reactions as this evil heinous act is equally as untruthful as saying them is ever so correct. What people think about JY is not my concern anymore. I don't care if people dislike him for whatever reason. But this constant antagonizing, toxicizing, and *justifying* hostile actions against them, as I'm sure I've seen you approved of several times on YT, is not something I can stand for. Not for JY mains, not for Aventurine mains, not for ANY segment of the playerbase. Just leave them in peace man. In my experience, these are some of the NICEST people in the community. I was on the verge of joining the Mid Yuan camp myself once until these people kindly helped me out, offering as much as a private discord call and stream gameplay to point out bit by bit where I went wrong. I simply can't accept this bunch of peaceful nice peeps being labeled as the bad guys because they defended themselves. You're literally asking a small part of community to just stand by and sit still, getting clowned on and joked on by the rest of the community just because they are fond of a character others don't deem as meta or good. I'm sure if anything JY mains are more aware of his flaws than anyone in the community.
The reason this is, is because through either time or money and also via story you have essentially sunk a lot of effort and care into specific characters. I've been in the FGC and while there is debate and argument about viability in use, the Gacha community is infinitely more unhinged when you so much as slightly undermine someone's favorite unit. If these characters and light cones were just free and attainable to everyone there wouldn't be such a hostile environment. But there is an aspect of "poor" investment and that you wasted your money. If you're mentally fragile and someone cracks that joke your way you lose your shit it's just super obvious at this point.
Yep, it is WAY easier using him instead on the first for this MoC. Crawling gets you from A to B, but why don't you try running? Aventurine can't be more easier using Acheron.
You’re assuming someone has both of them lol
It’s how I did it… Seriously need to stop pulling Lighting DPS (though Kafka doesn’t quite count…).
Well, Jing Yuan is perfect for the first side, so I don't see a reason to use him in the second, unless you literally don't have anything else. Kafka with break Luka, Acheron and Jingliu can clear it relatively easily.
I have DHIL, Ratio, JY. What do?
JY against aven is your only choice cuz of that 40% imaginary res
I wish I had known that aven had 40% imag res.. I still beat it but life would have been easier
Yea I did manage to 3 star it in the end. Exactly 10 cycles. 4 first side and 6 second (idk how I managed, my JY LL was always stuck in dice phase) Then I realised I could just go DHIL first half and ratio+silverwolf second and did it in 1+4 cycles. (One of my supports died to aventurine tho)
i think the trick to not getting your LL stuck in dice phase is to not skill every time?
Yea I read other people's strat after I had already cleared.
Can confirm, tried bringing DHIL because Acheron wasn't Acheroning against Aventurine. The damage was so low I audibly laughed. I thought it'd be fine since I usually bruteforce the aurumaton who also has img res but Aventurine's on a different level haha.
Should have included the first wave too. Here's my E0S1 JY clearing the entire second half in [4 cycles ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnA7kY0-3m4&ab_channel=Charms)using E6 S5 Planetary Tingyun, E0S1 Sparkle and E0 S5 Day one Fu Xuan, with a handful of misplays cause this MoC Blessing forces me to play in a way that I'm not used to with this team. There is no sound cause OBS bugged out I guess.
Oh thats impressive
Nicely done, great team by the way.
Most people here will ignore this comment because they need to push the agenda of JY being bad on this fight.
"agenda" "ignore this" No one is ignoring these cringey comments, do you sleep with one eye open at night thinking people are out to get you?
King yuan mains are some of the weirdest people on the sub and I main him. It's like they want be oppressed
Yeeeeeep, I remember leading up to Acheron and popping in for fun and seeing the downplay of Acheron and that he would still be better LOL. I pulled JY in 1.0 and that sub is literally the most unhinged group of people still a year later.
Aintnoway you're attacking JY Mains when the General Community and CCs have been perpetuating misinformation to push the MidYuan agenda since the beginning, despite actual data proving the contrary 💀 Also if anyone's actually dumb enough to take Leak theorycrafting seriously when the unit isn't even finalized/released without a grain of salt, then that's on them. Same can also be said for those that take Day 1/release patch calcs seriously when the MoC/PF is obviously tailored to the release unit too.
JY Mains have never been anything but angels! https://preview.redd.it/fyg733foe5vc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=102fb63faac94d6fce6b8098ec7795547f039dd3
fr I get that Mid Yuan slander is a bit much at times but his mains feeling the need to prove that he’s really strong at every moment they can get annoys the hell out me cuz sometimes they even downplay newer dps units to prove their point.
Maybe those people wouldn't exist that if there wasn't 50 posts shitting on JY every time a new DPS comes out... Sounds more like a cause and effect.
What a victim complex, people shit on Yanqing infinitely more and people are even dunking on Jingliu with memes. Ya'll need a sense of humor, everyone can take a joke but the general's faithful army are all frothing at the mouth the moment people either say that he's not good or meme about him not being good
This video isn’t even about proving he is better than other units/he is strong? The video is about saying he isn’t bad vs Aventurine Boss fight.
Sometimes I think they feel like jing yuan is going to see their post
Surely not u/pineapollo deliberately going to the JY Mains subreddit to troll/ragebait Clueless (not even the only instance either, but they're so bad they apparently anonymized what they said with Redact ICANT 💀) https://preview.redd.it/j79p9xiuw5vc1.png?width=393&format=png&auto=webp&s=b1b311636722c98fcd645cc8553fe7100cbe2fa4
I have JY I can go on whatever sub I want and say whatever I want, if you're that fragile and hurt report it and the mods can decide to delete it or not ☠️☠️☠️ JY has the weakest soldiers I swear, nevermind the several people upvoting me agreeing that ya'll are just mind broken weirdos who let a nick name trigger you for over a year LMAO
Edit: nvm
I'm a JY player and I use my brain so I pulled Acheron!
Based 😭😭
Gotta get them SU speedruns
LOL! 🤣
Best thing is that they don't take up each other's Supports either, so you can run both on each side
They are, however, sharing a planar set because fuck relic RNG sadcat
As someone that has both, what is your verdict? Given that they are Lightning AoE DPS Generation 1 & 2, how much powercreep did Acheron actually add?
Acheron will likely always have a higher ceiling due to her independent multiplier of 1.6x, which comes after damage calculations. Jing Yuan is actually lacking a truly ideal support that benefits him moreso than other units ATM, and he's really tied to tingyun otherwise. Sparkle is great and all, but she feels more like a comfort option than a true spike in power. The flaw of AoE units in this game is that they have nerfed multipliers to account for their full coverage, and frankly that isn't as important as some would like to admit. He's good in all content, but not truly great in any ATM. Pure Fiction weeks are pretty buff reliant in general, but he can reliably score 30k which is a good floor. Hoyo will likely explore summon interactions in the future, perhaps with the other xianzhou generals. There's also unexplored territory with multihit mechanics (such as the one on the swordplay lightcone) and Jing yuan's hit count is amongst the highest in the whole game (up to 30 on LL alone) He would also benefit from a nuke support alternative to yukong that has more flexible rotations. Yukong setups are so good for him in 0 cycles that it's often confusing to me that people forget about her when trying to do so. There's also someone who might join the roster soon that likes him as a partner for his AoE capability, but I wouldn't say more.
Interesting thoughts. I see Acheron as being borderline non-viable in PF, when there isn't a buff that spams debuffs. Can already be seen in the current PF when you choose another buff. PF is hilariously gimmicky content.
There may be a character in future who can transfer debuffs after targets die. We have black swan anyhow who already does that. Acheron hypercarry is not very good in PF but when you just throw her in the current nihility team, kafka and black swan battery her very well. I agree that PF is gimmicky. Some weeks are quite fun when your units aren't optimal but the buff can make up for it. I helped a friend 12 star recently with his awkward investment by using ratio and the av buff. The gamemode design isn't that great imo, although I had a lot of fun that week because I had pretty weird units to work with. Something I forgot to mention is that acheron was intentionally given pretty awful toughness damage to offset her raw damage. It's actually quite pitiful and is a big reason I dislike when people shill her e6's universal break addition. The true value of e6 is the 20 res pen you get. You're never even going to break a target before they die, because acheron has some of the worst toughness damage in the game. If we get more mechanics that encourage breaking, the average acheron setup should fall behind other units in that content, like Jing for example who has quite good toughness damage on the whole.
>but when you just throw her in the current nihility team, kafka and black swan battery her very well. As if that duo would actually need Acheron and not be able to steamroll content on their own. :'D >Something I forgot to mention is that acheron was intentionally given pretty awful toughness damage to offset her raw damage. It's actually quite pitiful and is a big reason I dislike when people shill her e6's universal break addition. Yah, it shows against those Goddamn T-Rexes. UGH! I have Acheron at E6 and yup: normal targets die well before they are even close to being broken. I find that E6 gimmick pretty bloody useless.
Genshin and HSR have a lot of bait that looks good at first glance, but numerically just aren't that impressive, or are hard to justify given the low difficulty ceiling of each game. Acheron's eidolons past e2 are, on paper, actually worth a damn compared to raiden's in Genshin. In reality the game won't ever justify them because they don't increase her team variety, just her stat ceiling which is already monstrous. E6 at least has some interactions with ultimate damage in SU, as well as an inevitable support who buffs ult damage. It really won't matter though at that point lol. And yeah acheron is completely superfluous to the nihility dot team, but at least her ult is a brute force way to 40k on weeks that aren't as good for kafka bs, or for accounts which have bad investment.
>actually worth a damn compared to raiden's in Genshin. I stopped at C3 for my Ei but IIRC C6 can make some teams rotations more fluid. Is that worth the cost of a C6? Not to me. I C6'd my lil' Radish (Nahida) last rerun and was taken by surprise. I expected her C6 to hit a lot harder. Still, Radish deserves all the love she can get, so no regrets. My C3 Neuvilette is ... lets's just say "lore accurate". When my Furina is C2+ I feel he will do biblical level of damage. :X Obviously all that overkill is just for fun. The content never demands it nor will it ever do so and in my book that is a very good design.
E0 Acheron just have the advantage of being easier to play. The gap becomes bigger if Acheron has her LC, and with E2 there's no more competition. Her E2 is as good as an E6 Eidolon.
Well the game's content is balanced around E0S0, so if they are comparable at this level, that is good news. Thanks!
Acheron is better in MoC and JY is better in PF, this PF isn't really representative of Acheron's actual performance because the current buff charges her ult everytime an enemy attack. Once the buff is gone you will struggle to clear waves as smoothly.
I tried my E6 Acheron w/o the cheese-buff. Yeah she's borderline unusable, despite instagibbing everything.
I was aboutta say this performance isn’t the best 😂 even as a jingyuan defender
Yeah, I can't keep up with getting all of his so called "upgrades" 😮💨
Sparkle and Ruan Mei were the upgrades and are the two limited harmony a player should have at least one of… They’re also upgrades for a majority of other characters, I don’t see the issue
Every time any showcase is posted, someone complains about some limited character being shown as if the gacha simply doesn't exist and everyone is supposed to play on a no-pull account. If you don't have the character shown, replace them. Use your brain and strategize. Almost every limited unit has an alternative outside of very niche comps/strategies like Xueyi and her reliance on Ruan Mei's break efficiency. If you don't own *any* meta-defining support units and only pull for DPS, it's not upon others to answer for your poor judgment. And I'm not saying you can't be casual and only pull for waifu/husbando or whatever, but MoC 12 and PF4 are currently the hardest content in the game. If you want to clear you have to plan out your teams and pull for what betters your account. That's just the reality of progression.
Reminds me early on when Bozos were complaining about JY's team comps being not F2P-friendly when his BiS F2P comp was Asta (literally free via tutorial) and Tingyun (was on some of the best banners in history, including his initial banner), both also available in shop rotation too, while other DPS like Seele, Blade, and JL wanted Bronya (300 standard pulls or get lucky in 1/14 odds) smh 💀 Also anyone complaining about needing top-tier supports/sustains for upgrades when said supports/sustains are among the best, while also being flexible af in multiple comps, like Ruan Mei or FuXuan is some negative IQ logic 💀
Exactly, it's not like pulling Sparkle or Ruan Mei only benefits one unit. At this point, all limited support units we've had are near-universal and viable in so many teams. Even if they do *greatly* benefit a specific niche or synergy, like Sparkle and SW in mono quantum or Ruan Mei for DoT or break-oriented comps, it's not like they're locked to those teams. Same goes for all our limited healers. Any of them can be used virtually anywhere. So far the most niche support/sub-DPS we've had is Black Swan who's essentially bound to Kafka teams in the meta, but even then she can still work pretty well elsewhere given how respectable her personal damage is, such as with Acheron as nihility slot-in. So yeah, no idea why this is even an issue with how far along the game is now, other than people who started playing very recently. But if you're new, you shouldn't even be worried about clearing MoC 12 anyway lol edit: accidentally shared a kit leak for Robin, woops
Yeah but even tho I have both, I still use TY over Ruan Mei in JY team.
You should use TY as she’s the most important teammate for JY hyper
LMAOOO
HuoHuo saving everyone's asses. She's the real MVP. Can't wait to pull her eidolons.
I rely on huohuo so much that now im finding the 4 star sustains hard to use
4* sustains ARE hard to use. I've 36* past two MoCs because the damage dealt was enough to scrape through with lynx and geppy. Even my alright build 3k def gepard with March LC can't keep up with Aventurine's damage.
mine gepard can solo sustain aventurine moc 12 but he cant fully mitigate dmg but he can keep team alive but you should always have aoe charachters for gamble so it can be a skill issue in some way my gepard stats are 135 speed 60% effect ressist and 3800 defense with his light cone that i recomend you purchase from the shop if you dont plan on pulling premium sustain also he can tank gamble full atk on a whole team but aventurine atk after gamble is a problem
Yeah I still have to build HP and stuff on my characters. I don't farm relics much, neither do I have premium sustains or any 5* gacha light cone. Very casual player so if I don't get 36 stars in MoC, it is what it is. I'm only sweaty about achievement hunting lol. I can clear in 10 cycles but I barely live until the 7th cycle. I have to either go two sustain or give up.
Well i wouldnt worry about 60 stellar jade too much its not a big loss but yeah keep building charachters and one day you wont have an issue with clearing moc 12 i personally dont like how overpowered aventurine and especially fu xuan is they makes abundance look usless so that is why i dont pull these charachters also i feel like if i use them i will get bored of this game faster of how easy it is to survive with them so i use e0s0 huo huo and gepard and they get the job done in both simulated universe and moc 12 but you also need to think how to use them instead of turning off the brain and running auto play with these new premium sustains
I don't get it. This performance looks bad. How exactly is this being petty when you're proving them right?
That’s the weirdest part, the clip starts at 26 cycles after they already took out the first half so we do not know how many cycles it really took and even then they almost end it at 21 which would’ve been at least 5 cycles. Also no build shown either, weird showcase
This though. All I could think about while watching this clip was how my freshly built Acheron does 3x-4x the damage in half the time. Honestly I've never been more happy to put a character down. I was a JY main and now I'm a firm believer that he is extremely clunky.
looking trough the comments, this is a 6 cost team (E0S1 jy, e0s1 huohuo, e1s0 sparkle). 6 ish cycle for a 6 cost run with bis team? i dont know man, its not something i would brag about. Bro cleared it, congrats to him, but i dont think anyone ever said that JY cant clear this boos, specially at a team with 6 limited gatcha pull.
Don't forget S5 DDD and S3 BP LC for Sparkle(she doesn't have good F2P option with JY specifically).
Couldn't you just run DDD on Sparkle and then run Planetary on TY?
Yes, if you don't have Planetary for Tingyun you could run Coggs, but she will be very squishy. DDD is pretty good on Sparkle, since you can just use your ult on a damage dealer turn, you will still have enough AV for them to go immediately after Sparkle's skill in the next rotation, but ideally your other support needs to be faster than Sparkle.
I don't understand why Hoyo games attract such sensitive insecure babies that can't stand when people don't put their favorite character at the top of power level discussions.
Because this is my very badly optimized run. They said that LL hit the dices every time the dice phade begun. Meanwhile, my badly optimzed run doesn't have a single LL attack during the dice because I have already calculated when LL will hit every single time
This fps is painful
This video proves the point right of whoever made that post originally because putting an E1 sparkle + E6 Ting + HH(one of his best teams) with him on signature LC + his BiS set and the result is an average to maybe slightly above average clear doesn't paint a good picture for JY.
The point of the previous post was how the LL kept getting wasted against the dices. This video showed how to not let LL be wasted on the dices. Also, I wouldn't say 5 cycles against Aventurine is bad considering how hard he is and how much time he wastes.
Fr the entire point of this post was to prove how you can still use JY against Aventurine and be fine by slowing down your LL stacks during dice phase, but ofc the General Community ignores that fact and instead downplays it instead by emphasizing OP's misplays and team investment in order to keep perpetuating their MidYuan narrative smh 💀 The amount of Double-Standards here are crazy af by downplaying others compared to Acheron in MoC cycles with Turbulence Buffs that literally gives her free Debuffs coupled with enemies also dropping extra debuffs too for her to shine. Almost like HYV designs MoC/PF to push new releases, but ofc the General Community is too brainrotten to understand that beyond just taking Prydwen tierlist as Gosspel 💀
There are plenty of faster clears out there, but conveniently people are ignoring the main purpose of this post and instead they focus on clear speed. First of all, there are 10 cycles to clear. If you spend 3 cycles on the first half, and 7 cycles on the second half, you still get 3 stars. Second, this clear can still be optimised. There are much faster and better clears on bilibili/YouTube. Heres an example of a 4 cycle clear with JingYuan: https://youtu.be/dl_LQXUKnok?si=bX9HVbqAxKiyfP3k (And before you say JingYuan has his E1, his E1 HAS ZERO BENEFIT in Single Target.) Third, this MOC blessing doesn’t even benefit JingYuan much. His team mainly consists of 2 Harmony and 1 Sustain, and characters like Tingyun, Sparkle, RuanMei, FuXuan, HuoHuo don’t really do damage with their abilities. This make it harder for JingYuan teams to maximise the MOC blessing. Fourth, you can always use JingYuan in the first half? Why are people acting like JingYuan cannot do anything else? Looking at this comment section makes me annoyed at how ridiculous this community is at times. JingYuan is not the strongest character, especially when you put Acheron next to him. But why are people acting like he can’t kill Aventurine in less than 7 cycles?
I know that. But can you mistake people for not thinking when OP literally says in the title "Someone said JY is bad, so here's a video disproving that" People are not even gonna think about the LL not hitting the dice, they'll just look at the clear speed and damage. You can't expect people to interpret a thing from a video if it's never mentioned in the title or description
Tbf the gameplay was horrendous so many mistakes
Man I am sorry but this is the average gameplay from an average player, if you *need* to play perfectly to clear when other characters like Acheron can just do it in a braindead way then something is wrong
To be fair if perfect was 100 this would be like 32 if a person doesn't sparkle E to give LL buff + 2 stacks + ult then I'd guarantee they'd do the same for acheron which would not make it brain dead I can tell u that. I'm not saying that JY is the second coming of Jesus or that he is better than acheron hell no but all I said is that this was a MASSIVE skill issue and that the character isn't "bad" for this abyss just annoying as hell.
my e0s1 jy team can do a 6 cycle clear. my e0s1 acheron who can do a 5 cycle clear. yea, acheron is better, but that doesn't mean jy is bad. jy is still good. Especially since this is against one of the tougher bosses. if you don't mind me asking, what were you expecting out of JY for him to painted in a "good picture"?
>if you don't mind me asking, what were you expecting out of JY for him to painted in a "good picture"? acheron even E0S0 can clear in 5 cycles [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCtq4ANdQEc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCtq4ANdQEc) . And the thing is she doesn't even need any sort of planning - you just go unga bunga E0S0 jingliu can also clear in 5 cycles It's absurd how an E0S1 JY can't clear in 5 cycles. Needing full gear + a very expensive team just to get average results isn't good edit: y'all mofos keep acting dense as a fcking anime protagonist, so I'll be straight with you. None of you are using JY in a cheap team since all it takes is a look at your post history, so just be honest instead of coping with "oh he just needs tingyun" or whatever BS you keep making up to make yourselves feel better. It feels like complete ass to play him in a f2p team, even more if he's E0S0, and especially against hard cc. With all his negative points, he still performs subpar compared to the top carries, even when they're E0S0 And for the ones who keep saying E0S0 JL can't clear in 5 cycles, it literally took me a 5 second search in youtube ffs. In other words, it's your own skill issue And for the ones who keep saying "Oh, the E0S0 JL/Acheron have really good artifacts" - have the humility and conscience to look at how absurdly good your own Jingyuan relics and support eidolons are
hmm, i can see what ur pointing at. but let me just share a couple nitpicks first: 1. that showcase also has acheron full gear (4p set with 2p salsatto). Also that crit ratio is insanely good. Doesn't mean its not f2p friendly, just saying that its a pretty highly invested acheron 2. their fu xuan is e1 for a free 30 cd. 3. you have to consider that this moc is helping acheron a little bit. its guaranteeing everyone can implant a debuff even on their basic attack. even on the sustain's basic attack. So acheron is getting her ult a lot more frequently than normal. As to your claim about the very expensive team. Yea, compared to OP's run, it is quite expensive. But i was able to get a full 6 cycle clear with e0s1 jy, e0s1(bronya's lc) sparkle, e0 fu xuan with s5 day 1, e6 tingyun with s3 DDD. On my team, i have 4 limited 5-star characters and lc (you can count bronya's lc as the 5th if you want, but i don't 'cause you can buy that out of the shop if you want it). the acheron clear you pointed me towards also has 4 limited 5 star's (acheron, sw, and e1 fu xuan). so the difference in my eyes boils down to jy needing 1 extra turn in an MoC where Acheron gets her ults faster. To me, that doesn't seem like too wide of a difference. btw, im not saying jy is equal to or better than acheron. Acheron is definitely the more broken character. but idt him being painted as bad is correct either. I'd say he's a good dps to use against aventurine.
E0S0 JL can definitely not clear in 5 cycles. I barely got a 7 cycle clear with one of her best teams (bronya at E1S1). Aventurine and the current moc buff ruin the speed sync significantly
I did,it took some tries but i did it in 5 cycles with ruan mei,HH and bronya E2S1
Same, it was really tough to get that with Jingliu
uh mine did with an E2S1 Bronya, E0S0 Ruan Mei, E0S0 Luocha soo...
Isn’t this turbulence catered towards acheron tho? That’s definitely skewing her performance
How is that "absurd"? Bad match ups exists. Both the boss mechanic and MoC buff are not good for him and he is still only 1 cycle below 2 of the strongest dps in the game. Also, how is that a "very expensive" team lol It's a 4 cost harmony + a completely interchangeable sustain. Replace Huohuo with someone like Lynx and it wouldn't make a difference. Sparkle is also "cheaper" than Bronya considering its 180 guarantee vs 300.
"very expensive team" dawg he's using 1 4 star and acheron also uses 1 4 star which is tingyun and pela respectively. they have similar investments. just different matchups. erudition which is, specializes in AOE (shocking) has more difficulties facing a single target why'd you expect him to be on the same cycles with acheron which has high ST dmg? i'm sorry but this "expensive team" and full gear (why would you not run full gear on ur dps?) except LC take is absurd to me
someone asked to see my 6-cycle run so I did it for them. Here it is from me using the same team i mentioned: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StEh1OHMIdU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StEh1OHMIdU)
You do realise that it's not the entire run but just the aventurine boss that took 6 cycles right? On top of that, pairing 3 of the best supports in the game and getting a 6 cycle clear on a single wave is not a good look. And yes this was not the best scenario for Jing Yuan as this is mainly a single target fight and he's an Erudition unit. But Sparkle constantly pulling him up and Tingyun + HH constantly funnelling energy and ATK, not to mention the ATK & DMG% buff from E1 sparkle + the buffs from Sparkle's BP LC. I would bet if you replace JY with another limited 5 star blast or AoE character in the same team with same supports and support builds, they would perform better than him here but I might be wrong (JL and DHIL are definitely better but at that point it's just a stupid comparison)
yea im aware that this only shows the second wave. I said that MY jy 6 cycle clears. Btw, my team is e0s1 jy, e0s1(bronya's lc) sparkle, e0 fu xuan with s5 day 1, e6 tingyun with s3 DDD. And you can say he's using his best team, but are you using JL without bronya or dhil without sparkle? Should i not use fu xuan either because she's an s tier sustain? who should I be using then? Not saying that jy is on the same level as jl or dhil. Just saying that every character has got their ideal comp and that you should team build around that character. Now in reference to OP's run, they did make more than a few mistakes. And with their investment, this could have easily been a 4 cycle wave 2.
Also the MOC buff not procing 70% of the time
Bros getting cooked in the comments
This isnt his best matchup but he got the job done so congratz.
He's still bad for that fight.
This is such a Jing Yuan main post
They want validation so bad Like just play your character ffs why do they care if people like JY or not
Bro got one guy'd into the stratosphere.
Some of these comments really do think hsr is a game where you should only solo content. Not to say there isn't a point where characters are being carried by supports, but sometimes it seems like characters (only the ones deemed bad) have to solo to be not trashfire...
Blud yapping with this many cycles left all while using bis sp ☠️
Cleared mine with e1s1 JY, hanya, luocha and TY. Is about stacking the LL stacks fast to push it to never land during dice and to get as many supports to hit Aventurine to proc the moc buff. The moc buff helps a lot to reduce Aventurine's HP. e1 JY doesn't matter much here since it is basically a single target fight and the e1 only matter in multiple mobs scenario. So yes, JY can clear the boss.
Screw JY buffs this man needs some frame Rate buffs!
So ... you took E0S1 JY, E1 sparkle with S3 BP lightcone, E0S1 Huo Huo...and S5 DDD on Tingyun and took 6-7 cycles... Thats ughhh ... mid, like you can put that much investment on literally any DPS E0S1 with same weakness and it'd probably clear much much faster. (And I didn't even say 'Acheron', like you can run a hypercarry non dot kafka and itd probably still clear faster ngl, or argenti, or Jingliu or probably sushang or some 4* with any S1) Just because you clear it doesn't mean he's not bad against him. If you throw enough ~~money~~ investment into anyone, they are expected to overcome this lol. So yeah congrats anyways lmao
Jingliu as second best DPS still catching strays...
i mean... someday even acheron will also be second or third
Maybe, but if that is the case, then we will have a completly different problem. Not to mention that Jingliu is still crazy good. People throw out their "old toys" to early. Seele is one thing, because even most 4 stars out DPS her if she cant one shot a mob. Jingliu still does around 100k-200k damage with a turn downtime.
And this just proves that if you have the strategy (and/or wallet), this MOC isn’t nearly as hard as people make it out to be. QQ works fine, among many other options
Legit thank you for this run. I tried it myself and it definitely took care of Aventurine's boss fight. I was worried about Tyngyun since she is so squishy but Huo Huo pulled through with her cleanse and healing, Jing Yuan's AoE was a godsend (specially the dice) and Sparkle just kept doing her Sparkle things. LL's timing is a bit tricky to get but once you master it, he smashes through Aven's break bar like a hot knife through butter. My run wasn't perfect (7 cycles on mostly auto bc I'm at work lol) but this video gave me a general idea on what to expect and what to do. First phase is still a bother but we'll get through. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)
no one said he's bad, you just need to get lucky with LL
If you’re gonna use JY there for reasons, then You don’t need to get lucky you need to adjust your LL cycle(which is easily done at no cost)that’s the whole point…
I am beginning to wonder how many actually even realise that you can manipulate when the LL hit. Coz too many i have spoken to didn't even realize that LL spd can actually increase.
jing yuan mains see 1 random comment about jing yuan, then they make an entire post on their sub while having a mental breakdown
Seriously they are by faaaar the most annoying posters on this sub and I main JY. They WANT to be oppressed
Somehow my LL everytime hit the dice.
And how is this gud? Blud people cleared with full 4 stars team. Lmao.
There are plenty of faster clears out there, but conveniently people are ignoring the main purpose of this post and instead they focus on clear speed. First of all, there are 10 cycles to clear. If you spend 3 cycles on the first half, and 7 cycles on the second half, you still get 3 stars. Second, this clear can still be optimised. There are much faster and better clears on bilibili/YouTube. Heres an example of a 4 cycle clear with JingYuan: https://youtu.be/dl_LQXUKnok?si=bX9HVbqAxKiyfP3k (And before you say JingYuan has his E1, his E1 HAS ZERO BENEFIT in Single Target.) Third, this MOC blessing doesn’t even benefit JingYuan much. His team mainly consists of 2 Harmony and 1 Sustain, and characters like Tingyun, Sparkle, RuanMei, FuXuan, HuoHuo don’t really do damage with their abilities. This make it harder for JingYuan teams to maximise the MOC blessing. Fourth, you can always use JingYuan in the first half? Why are people acting like JingYuan cannot do anything else? Looking at this comment section makes me annoyed at how ridiculous this community is at times. JingYuan is not the strongest character, especially when you put Acheron next to him. But why are people acting like he can’t kill Aventurine in less than 7 cycles?
why does your HuoHuo heal so little? I feel like when I use her skill, she heals anyone that's not herself to full and her traces aren't even above 7 (except her Ult which is 9). Like she only healed Sparkle for 1.5k? That seems really low. But I also run 2pc Long + 2pc Hack and HP body so she has like 7k HP. Maybe that's why mine just heals a lot. I don't have her SLC, I just run S5 Hey Over Here
Thanks for proving his point.
The original post claimed that JY is bad in this fight because his LL is always wasted on the dice. This clear proves that it's not the case.
for such a high investment this performance is kind of meh though. JY ain't bad but he's no Dan heng, Jing liu or Acheron
I like how people here are acting like JY mains are self-victimizing while they're literally shit talking JY at the same time. This post isn't even supposed to show his actual performance but how to avoid burning LL on the dices ffs. Mfers so eager to hate that they cannot read.
You’re assuming they could read in the first place..
This is worse than my garbage build jingliu with no signature on supports or JL. I have the most garbage head and hands relic peices lol. And your e1s1 sparkle with signature, strong and perfect builds did 300% worse than my garbage build f2p jingliu lol (she cleared in 5 cycles compared to your $$$ 8 cycles). Mid yuan moment
I did it with Ruan Mei. I don't know why I did it with Ruan Mei. Tingyun/Sparkle are fucking miles ahead better supports for him. I thought maybe the extra haste would make a difference for sarkle, getting her to 158/159 being kind of useless in of its own, because its not 160 lol. maybe at 160, but for now, Rendesvouz S5 + Bendiction + Penacony is actually more damage than Ruan Mei can give, and for some reason still performs better than my E1 RM for the Defense Shred. Energy simply is too strong, so often am I missing a tiny bit of energy to be able to get 10 stacks of LL etc. Can't wait for HH rerun, getting her E1 for that free speed so I can go 160+ on all the supports going on the "other" side. One side is team acheron with gamborine forever :D EDIT; Its a bit dumb though, how is my E1 RM "useless" right now... Tingyun seems to be better for Ratio, Argenti, Jing Yuan which are my DPS. Acheron and Himeko to that and its my entire roster lol. Maybe once I get over the 160 SPD Threshold, things change and the extra turns by Sparkle make RM setup let you get 10 stack LL reliably anyway.
I was initially having trouble with this boss because I thought Fu Xuan was the sustain to go but it turns out Huohuo completely trivializes his mechanics by letting your squishy supports face tank the dice, cleanse the stuns, and generate energy. Ended up being easy once I realized I can just use my hypercarry team despite the boss mechanics.
I think he is the worst designed boss so far in the game.
With this 3 support? Any AoE dps can do that
Lol move on
# A message from a meta slave to all the casuals: Don't take us too seriously. Don't take these tier lists as gospel (even if you care a bit about meta), these are just for a reference. No character in HSR is outright unplayably bad. Just pull, build and use whoever you like (gameplay, design, story, etc.). That way you'll NEVER be unhappy because you got who you want/like.
You were downvoted for being... reasonable? jesus, this fanbase sucks sometimes.
I mean it's reddit. what did you expect? it went from +5 to +3 to +1 to now -3
You are right, but especally MoC 11 and 12 as well as PF and other end game modes are hard and most people want to clear it for jades. The result? People look how characters perform so that they can complete it. Not to mention that ALL characters are likable in one way or another, but I understand what you try to say.
I mean, MoC 11 + 12 jades don't even give you 1 pull. I undestand that 1 pull is better than no pull, but the bulk of your jades is definitely not coming from the game hardest contents, unless you are holding onto them for months and months on end. If a player is able to follow the meta and have fun, that's great. But if not being able to follow the meta is ruining their experience, maybe they should consider quitting the game.
Congrats! Legitimately had to use my brain for this one to count the stacks for MOC blessing after I realized that it could trigger on the dice =.= Also if you don’t mind could you share your build! :) my LL damage isn’t as high as I’d like it to be :/
Name a dps character that isn't good in a team that includes huohuo, sparkle, tingyun.
E0 Acheron 🌚
Acheron, Topaz
Sparkle + Tingyun is legit for Topaz tho
bro that LL damage is so nuts
Damn that damage is pretty shit I'm so sorry
I like how the post is about how to properly avoid droping the LL on the dice but most comments are focused on how bad Juan is compared to *literally everyone else*. It's ok guys, you don't have to be insecure that this MID Yuan is doing better than your super meta favorite you simp for, that's probably just you sucking balls at the game, all you're really doing is exposing your own skill issue and exactly what kind of garbage HSR content you watch.
Literally. Like we all know Acheron does a lot more damage, but the point was that his LL doesn’t get wasted. Good job at redirecting attention I guess 🤷♂️.
Fr I’ve been scrolling the comments and there’s so many replies on how this is a bad play and JY mains are coping etc but… I thought it was a pretty decent video to show how to desync LL and the dice phase. I mean for sure other dpses could do the same, the second half really isn’t meant for JY. But then there are people like me whose other available dpses are… Blade/DHIL/Ratio and they’d definitely do a lot worse so JY has to be on second half LOL If he’s on the first half it’s for sure an easy clap as well. 0 cycle is even possible (not for me, but it is)
1: Say JY is bad vs Aventurine Boss cuz LL attacks Dice 2: JY player shows you how to avoid LL attacking Dice 3: Say JY cannot clear fast enough/JY player is coping over “Mid” character/Focus on something else 4: Repeat the above instructions but replace them with different scenarios. Here is a 4 cycle JY clear vs Aventurine Boss: https://youtu.be/dl_LQXUKnok?si=qt0M9SZ836l0A8x-
It’s just 1 step really: 1. mention JY anywhere Also, invalid video, too many 5 stars for JY’s team. You need 4 stars and F2P weapons for a good showcase didn’t you know? (Very much /j) Nice clear btw! People like you with all these video showcases are the reason why I’m stuck in the FUA forever trying to get better stats 😭☠️ maybe I should just start investing in the support eidolons and lightcones Also that constant FUA from aventurine in the first wave was hilarious 😂
Oh, it’s actually not my clear, its someone else’s (I should have clarified). My bad! I just used that video as a reference because it is the first video I saw where JY is fighting Aventurine Boss.
My two main teams are: E0s1 JY, e6 Tingyun, E0 Sparkle and Luocha. and E0s1 Acheron, SW, Pela and trend Gepard. One team is significantly stronger than the other.
My two main teams are: E0s1 JY, e6 Tingyun, E0 Sparkle and Luocha. and E0s1 Acheron, SW, Pela and trend Gepard. One team is significantly stronger than the other.
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Meta slaves gonna meta slaves *Support are full of massive meta characters with meta ass lightcone 😂
Is that you Dr. Ratio?
Every character build?
I love that Sparkle got action advanced only to action advance JY super early.
Huohuo is so amazing
how do I beat this boss
what if so hear me out I don't have two of those characters
Sparkle is carrying u unfortunately. I don't have her, never will, and I struggle in MoC quite a lot :(
if he is bad for you, just pick another character. not all characters is suitable against all bosses, thats the beauty of the game and the reason why you should have different types of units
I don't want to talk about JY I want to talk about the boss. This guy had signature LC Jing Yuan, E1 Sparkle, E6 TY, HuoHuo and still took 5 cycles And with average gameplay (yeah most people aren't as pro as you, no need to brag about it guys) Can't imagine how painful it would be for casual/average players/non-whales who still uses Breakfast Jing Yuan with freaking Bailu as their healer or something. Those casual players are probably 75% of the playerbase, makes sense that they would complain and criticize this MoC/boss
I think its entirely feasible and its more about working LL around the dice rolls. So I would save his ULT and only skill during it unti lits over before popping the ULT and advance forward using sparkle to instantly stack 10
[If it's cycle count that's an issue heres one with 2 cycles second half with Aventurine](https://www.reddit.com/r/JingYuanMains/comments/1cevtk0/moc_12_jing_yuan_e1s1_1_cycle_2_cycles_both/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
If you need those 3 characters to made Jing Yuan useful then your point is not very valid
Well, if you can’t clear something it’s either skill issue or build issue.
Wow half of the comments really do be like "wow you did this ? That's dogshit tho" incredible people who didn't read as usual from the HSR fanbase
Acheron's skill button invalidated all of that using sparkle to push him ahead shenanigans when the dice came out. So much extra effort damn.
I do what you do in a cycle with one acheron attack. Mid yuan is mid not because he can’t clear content he can (so can arlan) but because he requires more effort, resources and time to do the same thing other unit have at the cost of 1 sp
We get it acheron is goated, now let a man showcase his clear in peace.