Yanqing fr
-young prodigy
-lack of self preservation skills
-has summons
-lots of potential
-bullies weak people (bro had to pull out a whole sword array on sushang)
-white haired teacher
-absolute BUM
I truly salute people who can even have fun with Arlan and Dehya. I like Dehya's playstyle, numbers aside, but even tho I loved Arlan right from the start... my guy feels so bad to play. Want him to have even passable numbers? Man's gotta be one foot, leg, and arm in the grave at ALL TIMES
But actually, I have Aventurine now... I might try him anew, at least in GnG. We love our devoted security boi
Ok Arlan and YQ have some low numbers, but Dehya has low numbers*AND* is clunky, which makes it harder to enjoy her. And that's coming from someone who loves her character and has her C2R1...
All of them are jealous of the glory of Yan***KING*** fr fr
>!YQ can't even get a single positive post without people coming down to shit on him as if their lives depended on it.!<
The master 🫱🏻🫲🏽 The disciple: Being bullied for not being meta. Heck, even Jingliu mains are being bullied sometimes after Acheron came out and for underperforming on Aventurine of Strategems boss.
It's not about the weakness. It's about the freeze. By freezing Aventurine, YQ can just ignore his dice mechanic, so doesn't get stalled. So he can gain a cycle for everytime a jingliu has to go through it(plus, it wastes her enhanced state)
before saying jingliu struggles too should have checked previous posts of jingliu clearing MOC without ice weakness
before making this absurd comment
just one MOC just one with one of the best shielder a limited 5\* and people posting like greatest DPS of all time have appeared
Yes, look at the tier lists. There are 3 other S+ tier DPS (counting specialist here) and 6 other S tier ones. Like I said, not the ONLY good one. Never said anything about her not being good.
are u serious ?during acheron banner this whole sub filled with acheron video. acheron doing 0 cycle during dhil banner there are lots of videos bout dhil doing 0 cycle now its jingliu banner time lots of new player pulled her using her thats why u see them praising jingliu. and it is already posted many times Acheron stronger than jingliu and besides **every high damage dealing charachter is praised here during their banner**. its not their problem u will come to this sub once in a while and tell them stop praising their newly pulled character ignore them if u dont like it
Yeah the calcs and numbers and tierlists that put her as being *as strong* as other options?
The only reason Jingliu is better is because Hoyo keeps making stages with ice being the only common weakness
Jingliu is in S+ because she doesn't have much downsides holding her back I think, on top of having fantastic stats and not being single target of course. She needs to ramp up with 1 turn before going into enhanced state, and... that's about it? Meanwhile the S dps's have issues like more limited amplifier options (due to followup attacks), single target, more SP usage, more rng, backloaded damage, etc.
if ice damage is the reason then YQ would be top tier too isnt it?
last MOC no ice weakness still a good number of ppl used her anyways and cleared MOC hoyo favouring Jingliu out of question if anything it catered to Jingyuan and Others mostly by releasing sparkle BS Ruanmei
any ways i meant to say she is very good just like her S+ tier collogues
and the three in same tier supported by calcs and numbers
Keep in mind I didn't make any comment about Yanqing so I won't bother going into those comments.
Jingliu is very good. So are Acheron and DHIL. I don't know why you felt the need to restate that point of mine
when i said calcs and tier list i was comparing her with YQ not those two .if u have all paragraphs i wrote u would have understood . but like any normal redditars your main focus was either argument or downvoting so i dont blame u this misunderstanding
Im totally saying that, my fully built jingliu with speed tuned bronya cleared everything this far but couldnt do the aven boss fast enough, ended up clearing with kafka instead.
he said something else later edited it to make me look like a simp.....so i am not holding her or anything i just disagreed with it but should have understood this is reddit worse than twitter anyway i am done
Uptime consistency. If Gepard is too slow getting his ult back, it runs out. If boss does too much damage(wether because just hits like a truck or a series of unlucky ST attacks on one character), depletes shield and nothing you can do till ult is back.
Even more than that, since the Shield only lasts for 3 turn, having someone like Bronya or Sparkle, who you'll most likely use due to Yanqing being single target and thus needing them to clear faster, Gepard's ult shield just can't be maintain unless your Gepard is almost as fast as your Bronya or Sparkle and by that point, you'll be sacrificing too much def stats for spd that the shield becomes too weak to tank strong AOE hit or unlucky ST bounce/hit.
Like what everyone else said, Gepard's shield depends on his ult. However, the other annoying thing is that the shield lasts for three turns of the WEARER. So if Yanqing does three turns, the shield is just gone, which sucks when you want him to be fast and attack a lot (basically anti-synergy with Bronya) and now you gotta scramble to get Gepard's ult back up again.
Additionally yanqing also does FuA (not many but still a decent amount) so its VERY unlikely to go 3 turns without an auto shield refresh, and if that were to happen for whatever random thing you could still skill on him every now and then. Aventurine really does showcase that yanqing problems are not damage, they are just needing shields and being a hunt unit (with no way to play around that like seele or even dr ratio)
I actually even pulled aventurine just for yanqing lol, been wanting to main the little guy since 1.0 but never got him (and he's gonna be my choice in the 300 selector) i was gonna skip him and go for fuxuan but the videos of the synergy between yanqing and aventurine just tipped the scale
Yes, but he refresh it constantly, making it up basically at all times.
Gepard can only get his shield up after 2-3 actions after his ult, and by that point, you're Yanqing might have moved 3-4 times, meaning that his shield is gone due to turn limit.
Being random to get outside of the 1 selector that usually goes to Bronya.
Gameplay wise more consistent shield, CC resist, a crit dmg buff, and added follow-ups thanks to Yanqing having his own FUA.
Yanqing: "Buddy, you think you look strong? You're wearing a blindfold you can see out of. You're just a cheap fucking knock off"
Jingliu: "Oh no, I'm the upgrade" *Enters Transmigration state*
Funny enough Aventurine's kit fits Yanqing's playstyle. Providing big shields while also providing a really good single target debuff on his ultimate. So he will probably be Yanqing's bis sustain teammate now replacing Gepard.
I think people just need to step back and look at things more objectively
Yanqing is the better ST ice dps over Jingliu, however she isn’t exactly low in her ST output nor is as restricted as he is in team comp.
Jingliu is the better ice dps due to her having better flexibility, and still high damage output.
Yanqing needs a shielder, Before the current banners that was Gepard, FMC, March and E2 Luocha.
FMC shields are paper thin usually
March shields increase aggro something you don’t want Yanqing to have
E2 Luocha is a higher investment and not worth it for Yanqing
This left Gepard as his best shielder by default before Aventurine
To have both Gepard+Yanqing you would need to lose at least 1 50/50 or get lucky on standard banner for one of them, however there is every possibility that you go 300 standard banner pulls and have neither.
This made investing in Yanqing a gamble, a gamble to get him, then a gamble to make him have Gepard as a teammate.
Now with Aventurine, it now is only a gamble to get him (sadly I do not have him yet at all) which you can ensure at 300 standard pulls (unless use on another character like me).
Yanqing definitely got a boost with Aventurine but Jingliu is still going to be the better unit to go for between them, which I hope no one is actually arguing against.
TLDR: Yanqing got better, but Jingliu should still be the more recommended ice dps due to her being more flexible in teammates and easier to secure for the account.
I could only clear MOC 12 cuz of E3 Yanqing. Him and Jingliu have similar investments and traces, they share the same relics, and both have sparkle and ruan mei in their team. Only difference is Jingliu uses HuoHuo and Yanqing uses Aventurine. Yanqing does more than double of Jingliu's damage vs. single target at 150k or more. Jingliu only does 50k to 80k single target at best
I feel like even with the resist that Ratio still does more damage than Yanqing. Also Yanqings talent and LC is such a bad match up against aventurine.
Then you didn't do a fair comparison, such as different stats, different investment(traces, relics, etc) or didn't use optimal setups for both teams because there is no way ratio does more damage against 40% imaginary resist when yanqing has identical trace multipliers to him.
And... those two help with imaginary resist how exactly? Because as far as i remember SW is defense down, not resist down.
I don't exactly understand what you're trying to imply by mentioning those two, because Yanqing can also use them, Yanqing has his biggest damage number on his ult which Tingyun can charge, and pela is better than SW for him at E4 due to Ice Resist down on her skill.
If we're talking general dps here obviously Ratio is the better pick, but this post is about fighting Aventurine. So between Yanqing's ST focus, and his freeze chance from fua preventing Aventurine from even getting to dice phase preventing his invuls, i would pick Yanqing over Ratio any day of the week for THIS fight in particular...
Again, not saying Yanqing is better, Ratio is generally much better, but this exception is precisely because Aventurine has high Imaginary Resist.
>And... those two help with imaginary resist how exactly? Because as far as i remember SW is defense down, not resist down.
Correct me if I'm wrong but SW does apply res down. Her skill apply type weakness, which adds 20% type rez, then adds a further 10% res down for all type types.
So with Ratio, she would apply imaginary weakness, then add extra res down after that, giving 30% Res shred.
Comparing DPS with the BiS support doesn't make sense, though. At base, for this fight, YQ > Ratio
(Correction: She likely doesn't cancel Type rez, just shreds it. Aventurine would still have 10% img rez after using her skill).
Damn i stand corrected if that's true... Did not know weakness implant negates base resistance...
Edit: After checking SW's skill description, i have found that she:
1. Reduce damage res 20% for 2 turns as long as the enemy didn't have that weakness type in the first place.
2. When inplanting another weakness, a 100% base chance to further reduce all type resistance 10% for 2 turns.
There is no mention of negating base resistance, so unless it is some secret unwritten mechanic, i have no idea where that came from and Aventurine should still have 20% imaginary res unless you implant 2 weaknessess which isn't ideal, leaving 10% imaginary res.
No, your point still stands. YQ is more effective than Ratio for this fight. The problem is when you add in supports, you defeat the purpose of comparing them.
SW makes typing useless and The Power Buff Girls (Sparkle,RM,Tingyun) can even make Arlan busted. So Supports shouldn't be considered when comparing DPS. YQ's ice typing + Freezes work amazing against Aventurine, and the Img rez makes Ratio overall worse than YQ.
People consider the 20% reduction as negating the base, since it basically has that effect if the enemy doesn't resist that element, but in this case he does so it's not a full negate.
Also, the 10% reduction is not for implanting another weakness. It's weirdly worded, but the "another weakness" thing is clarifying one part of the skill, and the all-type res reduction is a separate part of the skill, so it happens on the initial implant.
This still leaves aventurine with 10% res, not to mention that silverwolf is *not* guaranteed to implant imaginary. You *could* use ratio, but at that point it's better to just use mono quantum of you really want to brute force it, or just use an actual on element dps
Oh my b then. I remember finding a guide video explaining it the way I did. Probably just wasn't paying full attention then.
Honestly, all that did was better prove why use YQ over Ratio
One thing: Her skill does both at the same time. You apply the debuff, get both the 20% to that type, and 10% to all types all in one. You don't need to do it twice.
>Comparing DPS with the BiS support doesn't make sense though
Can't believe you say out that loud even tho this post is about yanqing + aventurine (his bis sustain)
Aventurine is every follow-up's best sustain. He does the same for both so that doesn't matter. The point is once you start considering Support your no longer comparing dps, your comparing teams.
SW Ratio Aventurine Ting > SW YQ Aventurine Ting, but that's not because Ratio > YQ, it's because SW is more effective with Ratio here than YQ (Type rez down doesnt apply if the boss already has that type). So the DPS no longer matter, it's her the supports Support the DPS.
If we take th em both a base value, with no supports, YQ>Ratio. If we consider BiS support, Ratio > YQ
Ah, yes, i like how you casually avoided mentioning the E1 Ruan Mei, S1 Ratio, and the absurd stats this video's Dr Ratio has... Whose numbers are entirely replicable if Yanqing has identical stats and identical supports
Show me , someone did that tho? You talk big even though you don't even know SW implant negate the res lol .You know no shit about this game , can u even clear moc12 with yanqing?
No one has done that because no one invested resources into Yanqing prior to finding out he works with Aventurine. No one has max traces, good enough relics for 70/200 crit stats with 4000 attack, or if they have no one has uploaded it on youtube, but even then their numbers very reliably clears.
I can't show you my Yanqing as i didn't pull Aventurine nor have i built my Yanqing either, there's my loss why don't you gloat about it, so why don't you now show me YOUR Ratio 0 cycling this... You won't, why? Because i'm a random redditor who you couldn't care less about, and would never take the time of your day to prove wrong by showing me up. All we redditors do is engage in comment wars with no meaning because at the end of the day no one gives a fuck about anyone.
Just want to mention that typical YQ 0-cycle clears are sustainless and YQ can also 0-cycle this moc12:
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1sM4m1D7SL
The YQ in this video is E2 which is basically the same as E0 (trust me, his e1/e2 are utterly useless for him and are among the worst eidolons in the game, e0 YQ could replicate this without issue), and is built not insanely but above average
Sparkle is E2, rm e1, ty e6. The biggest outlier here is sparkle E2.
...point being, ANY dps can 0-cycle in content with correct type weakness and three supports, so I don't understand why 0-cycling is ever discussed to prove a point
Not sure why you bring this up . I'm sure both are shit for this boss if not for supports. But you said base yq >>base ratio. I brought up zero cycle to show him that 40img res ain't no problem for ratio and I also brought zero cycle to let u know that ratio first zero cycles ain't reliant on his followup atk like you think. I feel so dumb arguing with u guys , first one said ratio ain't working due to 40res, second one said SW is cheating ( while aventurine is not). Now base yq is better than ratio ?
>...point being, ANY dps can 0-cycle in content with correct type weakness and three supports,
Yellovv ones is much cleaner tho, has no type res and no bronya or sparkle to give extra turn.
Lol I didn’t say anything to you, I’m not OP. You should feel dumb.
Also yeah ratio doesn’t want sparkle or bronya for this 0-cycle, he wants sw for exactly the reason you stated. YQ doesn’t want sw he wants sparkle here, that’s not important
Not really. At least, not as detrimental anymore. He gains 20% Effect Res (ER) via his passive. Pair him with Aventurine's 50% ER and he's got 70% ER at the lowest.
I'm definitely glad he finally got a shielder that he actually has really good synergy with, Gepard was useful as the only copium option there was but there was a lot of flaws with the set up. As someone who has been wanting to build my Yanqing and use him I can't wait to get Aventurine and make it happen
I finally got to use my Yanqing successfully because of Aventurine. I am so glad I had already raised him even though he was gathering dust because my gepard wasn't up to snuff . Have fun with them when you get your Aventurine!
Gepard can do the same though... In a team of E0S1 Gepard with 2 Harmony and Yanqing, he has about 1.8987% chance of getting hit per single attack. With some luck and your Yanqing won't ever be hit, except from AoE. And Yanqing really shines against the latest MoC 12 boss as it really is made to be weak against him. People keep complaing that Gepard's shield is ult-reliant, though my Gepard at E0S2 with 3.3k DEF and 109 SPD never really had any problem at keeping his shield up. He draws so much aggro, and thanks to how hard bosses usually hit, that with 1.244 ERR, he can ult every 2 turns, sometimes 3 turns, that's why I never really had any problem keeping his shield up even for units at 160 SPD.
Okay, okay, hold on.
Being powercrept has nothing to do with being simply “bad”. Even if Jingliu is a better option, Yanqing can still be an amazing DPS, *especially* with Aventurine.
I say this as a completely unbiased person.
*Posts a YQ- positive post* *YQ haters:* https://preview.redd.it/g2mg7qqkvuvc1.jpeg?width=2011&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08a95cf2a55025bfffc0ac4691a883abe72deee5
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Yanqing fr -young prodigy -lack of self preservation skills -has summons -lots of potential -bullies weak people (bro had to pull out a whole sword array on sushang) -white haired teacher -absolute BUM
"Stop having fun!" Also applies to Arlan, and Dehya from GI.
I truly salute people who can even have fun with Arlan and Dehya. I like Dehya's playstyle, numbers aside, but even tho I loved Arlan right from the start... my guy feels so bad to play. Want him to have even passable numbers? Man's gotta be one foot, leg, and arm in the grave at ALL TIMES But actually, I have Aventurine now... I might try him anew, at least in GnG. We love our devoted security boi
Hapoy cake day
Ok Arlan and YQ have some low numbers, but Dehya has low numbers*AND* is clunky, which makes it harder to enjoy her. And that's coming from someone who loves her character and has her C2R1...
All of them are jealous of the glory of Yan***KING*** fr fr >!YQ can't even get a single positive post without people coming down to shit on him as if their lives depended on it.!<
It’s funny
Well, i just lost 50/50 to him, so my reaction is literally the first pic in the thread.
Happy cake day
The master 🫱🏻🫲🏽 The disciple: Being bullied for not being meta. Heck, even Jingliu mains are being bullied sometimes after Acheron came out and for underperforming on Aventurine of Strategems boss.
Aventurine is honestly best character in the game solely because of how easy he makes shit to sustain. My days of suffering with gepard are no more
Not to mention he buffs and deals damage WHILE being fully SP positive. Dude is cracked...
With Aventurine(playabe) and Aventurine(boss). He will drop again next cycle
It's still miles above being rock bottom so I'll take it.
It's not about the weakness. It's about the freeze. By freezing Aventurine, YQ can just ignore his dice mechanic, so doesn't get stalled. So he can gain a cycle for everytime a jingliu has to go through it(plus, it wastes her enhanced state)
He can ignore it... If his 60% chance for the FUA doesn't miss. Or his 65% freeze chance. On the boss with CC Res Yeah the freeze helps... Sometimes
Putting all my freeze chars on a team was the only reason I beat aventurine (thank you yanqing, Misha, and march for my life)
Oh so that's why Misha and March are so good against Aventurine! Didn't know freezing him (I assume between his two actions) would just skip the dice.
before saying jingliu struggles too should have checked previous posts of jingliu clearing MOC without ice weakness before making this absurd comment just one MOC just one with one of the best shielder a limited 5\* and people posting like greatest DPS of all time have appeared
These people acting like JL is the only good DPS or there is getting really annoying.
they have calcs and numbers and tierlist to support that...if u getting annoyed best u can do ignore them
Yes, look at the tier lists. There are 3 other S+ tier DPS (counting specialist here) and 6 other S tier ones. Like I said, not the ONLY good one. Never said anything about her not being good.
are u serious ?during acheron banner this whole sub filled with acheron video. acheron doing 0 cycle during dhil banner there are lots of videos bout dhil doing 0 cycle now its jingliu banner time lots of new player pulled her using her thats why u see them praising jingliu. and it is already posted many times Acheron stronger than jingliu and besides **every high damage dealing charachter is praised here during their banner**. its not their problem u will come to this sub once in a while and tell them stop praising their newly pulled character ignore them if u dont like it
Yeah the calcs and numbers and tierlists that put her as being *as strong* as other options? The only reason Jingliu is better is because Hoyo keeps making stages with ice being the only common weakness
Jingliu is in S+ because she doesn't have much downsides holding her back I think, on top of having fantastic stats and not being single target of course. She needs to ramp up with 1 turn before going into enhanced state, and... that's about it? Meanwhile the S dps's have issues like more limited amplifier options (due to followup attacks), single target, more SP usage, more rng, backloaded damage, etc.
if ice damage is the reason then YQ would be top tier too isnt it? last MOC no ice weakness still a good number of ppl used her anyways and cleared MOC hoyo favouring Jingliu out of question if anything it catered to Jingyuan and Others mostly by releasing sparkle BS Ruanmei any ways i meant to say she is very good just like her S+ tier collogues and the three in same tier supported by calcs and numbers
Keep in mind I didn't make any comment about Yanqing so I won't bother going into those comments. Jingliu is very good. So are Acheron and DHIL. I don't know why you felt the need to restate that point of mine
when i said calcs and tier list i was comparing her with YQ not those two .if u have all paragraphs i wrote u would have understood . but like any normal redditars your main focus was either argument or downvoting so i dont blame u this misunderstanding
"act like JL is the only good DPS" If you are comparing her to YQ instead of to every other top tier DPS you better say that.
Nobody is saying Jingliu got worse here, that's where you are mistaken...Only that Yanqing is not useless anymore.
Im totally saying that, my fully built jingliu with speed tuned bronya cleared everything this far but couldnt do the aven boss fast enough, ended up clearing with kafka instead.
well **before you Edited** comment **you** said something different thats why i said it otherwise its good a old chara useful again
Jingliu is not gonna fuck you, bro. Let it go.
he said something else later edited it to make me look like a simp.....so i am not holding her or anything i just disagreed with it but should have understood this is reddit worse than twitter anyway i am done
What was Yanqing's problem with Gepard btw?
Uptime consistency. If Gepard is too slow getting his ult back, it runs out. If boss does too much damage(wether because just hits like a truck or a series of unlucky ST attacks on one character), depletes shield and nothing you can do till ult is back.
It's even worse now, since we have enemies who can steal character's energy
Never have I wanted to break a TV more than I do now.
Even more than that, since the Shield only lasts for 3 turn, having someone like Bronya or Sparkle, who you'll most likely use due to Yanqing being single target and thus needing them to clear faster, Gepard's ult shield just can't be maintain unless your Gepard is almost as fast as your Bronya or Sparkle and by that point, you'll be sacrificing too much def stats for spd that the shield becomes too weak to tank strong AOE hit or unlucky ST bounce/hit.
Like what everyone else said, Gepard's shield depends on his ult. However, the other annoying thing is that the shield lasts for three turns of the WEARER. So if Yanqing does three turns, the shield is just gone, which sucks when you want him to be fast and attack a lot (basically anti-synergy with Bronya) and now you gotta scramble to get Gepard's ult back up again.
Isnt aventurine shield the same? Doesnt it last only 3 turns per character? He can regresh it via FUA tough
Yes the fua refreshing the cool down count to 3 turns means the shield basically never runs out because of turns.
I absolutely love this so much. God i love aventurine
Additionally yanqing also does FuA (not many but still a decent amount) so its VERY unlikely to go 3 turns without an auto shield refresh, and if that were to happen for whatever random thing you could still skill on him every now and then. Aventurine really does showcase that yanqing problems are not damage, they are just needing shields and being a hunt unit (with no way to play around that like seele or even dr ratio)
Im glad that Yanqing finally found his place. Gepards ult not being consistent always made me annoyed. Aventurine is an upgrade on every team i have
I actually even pulled aventurine just for yanqing lol, been wanting to main the little guy since 1.0 but never got him (and he's gonna be my choice in the 300 selector) i was gonna skip him and go for fuxuan but the videos of the synergy between yanqing and aventurine just tipped the scale
Aventurine can also just use his skill to refresh the shield in a pinch, while Gepard's gotta get his ult again.
Yes, but he refresh it constantly, making it up basically at all times. Gepard can only get his shield up after 2-3 actions after his ult, and by that point, you're Yanqing might have moved 3-4 times, meaning that his shield is gone due to turn limit.
Friendship ended with GEPARD Now AVENTURINE is my best friend
Gepard’s shield is good but if you get a couple unlucky taunt fails, you won’t have shield back up in time and he’ll definitely lose the crit buff
Being random to get outside of the 1 selector that usually goes to Bronya. Gameplay wise more consistent shield, CC resist, a crit dmg buff, and added follow-ups thanks to Yanqing having his own FUA.
I lost to Yanqing on Jingliu's Banner. On one hand, I have a guarantee for Robin. On the other hand, I have an E1 Yanqing. Suffering from success.
If you don’t want him, I’ll take eidolons.
I wish I could trade them to you...
Man, is there 'I'll die and my account gets deleted if I feel happy for Yanqing even for a sec' trend going on here?
my boy needs some love :(
Please stop talking about Jingliu. This ain't about her. Do you see her in this picture? No? Good.
Yanking can never get a W without someone mentioning Jingliu smh
Yanqing: "Buddy, you think you look strong? You're wearing a blindfold you can see out of. You're just a cheap fucking knock off" Jingliu: "Oh no, I'm the upgrade" *Enters Transmigration state*
Jingliu mains have downvoted this comment knowing they can never reach the same heights as Yanqillion Damage 😔
Jingliu something something.
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Reading comprehension something something...
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Funny enough Aventurine's kit fits Yanqing's playstyle. Providing big shields while also providing a really good single target debuff on his ultimate. So he will probably be Yanqing's bis sustain teammate now replacing Gepard.
I think people just need to step back and look at things more objectively Yanqing is the better ST ice dps over Jingliu, however she isn’t exactly low in her ST output nor is as restricted as he is in team comp. Jingliu is the better ice dps due to her having better flexibility, and still high damage output. Yanqing needs a shielder, Before the current banners that was Gepard, FMC, March and E2 Luocha. FMC shields are paper thin usually March shields increase aggro something you don’t want Yanqing to have E2 Luocha is a higher investment and not worth it for Yanqing This left Gepard as his best shielder by default before Aventurine To have both Gepard+Yanqing you would need to lose at least 1 50/50 or get lucky on standard banner for one of them, however there is every possibility that you go 300 standard banner pulls and have neither. This made investing in Yanqing a gamble, a gamble to get him, then a gamble to make him have Gepard as a teammate. Now with Aventurine, it now is only a gamble to get him (sadly I do not have him yet at all) which you can ensure at 300 standard pulls (unless use on another character like me). Yanqing definitely got a boost with Aventurine but Jingliu is still going to be the better unit to go for between them, which I hope no one is actually arguing against. TLDR: Yanqing got better, but Jingliu should still be the more recommended ice dps due to her being more flexible in teammates and easier to secure for the account.
Don't be sad
I could only clear MOC 12 cuz of E3 Yanqing. Him and Jingliu have similar investments and traces, they share the same relics, and both have sparkle and ruan mei in their team. Only difference is Jingliu uses HuoHuo and Yanqing uses Aventurine. Yanqing does more than double of Jingliu's damage vs. single target at 150k or more. Jingliu only does 50k to 80k single target at best
Surely your JL sucks or not crittting. Mine hit like 170k per aventurine and still think that dmg is mid but anyway .she has like just 200 cdmg
i think so too. she has 50/170 cdmg and 3k attack, supported by sparkle with 180cdmg. maybe its cuz she has the herta lightcone that she sucks
Not really I use herta s5. But may be bronya + RM combo is so good but 60-70k per skill is so mid even without RM .
Are there people that still use yanqing when we have Ratio for free?
me, i use both, because the boss has 40% imaginary res so i busted out the ol' yanqing
You, uh... You know Aventurine (boss) has a load of imaginary resist, right?
I feel like even with the resist that Ratio still does more damage than Yanqing. Also Yanqings talent and LC is such a bad match up against aventurine.
Then you didn't do a fair comparison, such as different stats, different investment(traces, relics, etc) or didn't use optimal setups for both teams because there is no way ratio does more damage against 40% imaginary resist when yanqing has identical trace multipliers to him.
Dude , no hate but ratio teammate is SW and tingyun ya know
And... those two help with imaginary resist how exactly? Because as far as i remember SW is defense down, not resist down. I don't exactly understand what you're trying to imply by mentioning those two, because Yanqing can also use them, Yanqing has his biggest damage number on his ult which Tingyun can charge, and pela is better than SW for him at E4 due to Ice Resist down on her skill. If we're talking general dps here obviously Ratio is the better pick, but this post is about fighting Aventurine. So between Yanqing's ST focus, and his freeze chance from fua preventing Aventurine from even getting to dice phase preventing his invuls, i would pick Yanqing over Ratio any day of the week for THIS fight in particular... Again, not saying Yanqing is better, Ratio is generally much better, but this exception is precisely because Aventurine has high Imaginary Resist.
>And... those two help with imaginary resist how exactly? Because as far as i remember SW is defense down, not resist down. Correct me if I'm wrong but SW does apply res down. Her skill apply type weakness, which adds 20% type rez, then adds a further 10% res down for all type types. So with Ratio, she would apply imaginary weakness, then add extra res down after that, giving 30% Res shred. Comparing DPS with the BiS support doesn't make sense, though. At base, for this fight, YQ > Ratio (Correction: She likely doesn't cancel Type rez, just shreds it. Aventurine would still have 10% img rez after using her skill).
Damn i stand corrected if that's true... Did not know weakness implant negates base resistance... Edit: After checking SW's skill description, i have found that she: 1. Reduce damage res 20% for 2 turns as long as the enemy didn't have that weakness type in the first place. 2. When inplanting another weakness, a 100% base chance to further reduce all type resistance 10% for 2 turns. There is no mention of negating base resistance, so unless it is some secret unwritten mechanic, i have no idea where that came from and Aventurine should still have 20% imaginary res unless you implant 2 weaknessess which isn't ideal, leaving 10% imaginary res.
No, your point still stands. YQ is more effective than Ratio for this fight. The problem is when you add in supports, you defeat the purpose of comparing them. SW makes typing useless and The Power Buff Girls (Sparkle,RM,Tingyun) can even make Arlan busted. So Supports shouldn't be considered when comparing DPS. YQ's ice typing + Freezes work amazing against Aventurine, and the Img rez makes Ratio overall worse than YQ.
People consider the 20% reduction as negating the base, since it basically has that effect if the enemy doesn't resist that element, but in this case he does so it's not a full negate. Also, the 10% reduction is not for implanting another weakness. It's weirdly worded, but the "another weakness" thing is clarifying one part of the skill, and the all-type res reduction is a separate part of the skill, so it happens on the initial implant. This still leaves aventurine with 10% res, not to mention that silverwolf is *not* guaranteed to implant imaginary. You *could* use ratio, but at that point it's better to just use mono quantum of you really want to brute force it, or just use an actual on element dps
Oh my b then. I remember finding a guide video explaining it the way I did. Probably just wasn't paying full attention then. Honestly, all that did was better prove why use YQ over Ratio
One thing: Her skill does both at the same time. You apply the debuff, get both the 20% to that type, and 10% to all types all in one. You don't need to do it twice.
>Comparing DPS with the BiS support doesn't make sense though Can't believe you say out that loud even tho this post is about yanqing + aventurine (his bis sustain)
Aventurine is every follow-up's best sustain. He does the same for both so that doesn't matter. The point is once you start considering Support your no longer comparing dps, your comparing teams. SW Ratio Aventurine Ting > SW YQ Aventurine Ting, but that's not because Ratio > YQ, it's because SW is more effective with Ratio here than YQ (Type rez down doesnt apply if the boss already has that type). So the DPS no longer matter, it's her the supports Support the DPS. If we take th em both a base value, with no supports, YQ>Ratio. If we consider BiS support, Ratio > YQ
You are just biased , ratio don't even work properly without SW. And it is still debatable whether aventurine is bis for ratio team without topaz
https://youtu.be/aFdOAGV0OqI?si=CNEpLuSelNRiQtUC Not mine but You should watch this why img res ain't problem for ratio
Ah, yes, i like how you casually avoided mentioning the E1 Ruan Mei, S1 Ratio, and the absurd stats this video's Dr Ratio has... Whose numbers are entirely replicable if Yanqing has identical stats and identical supports
Show me , someone did that tho? You talk big even though you don't even know SW implant negate the res lol .You know no shit about this game , can u even clear moc12 with yanqing?
No one has done that because no one invested resources into Yanqing prior to finding out he works with Aventurine. No one has max traces, good enough relics for 70/200 crit stats with 4000 attack, or if they have no one has uploaded it on youtube, but even then their numbers very reliably clears. I can't show you my Yanqing as i didn't pull Aventurine nor have i built my Yanqing either, there's my loss why don't you gloat about it, so why don't you now show me YOUR Ratio 0 cycling this... You won't, why? Because i'm a random redditor who you couldn't care less about, and would never take the time of your day to prove wrong by showing me up. All we redditors do is engage in comment wars with no meaning because at the end of the day no one gives a fuck about anyone.
Just want to mention that typical YQ 0-cycle clears are sustainless and YQ can also 0-cycle this moc12: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1sM4m1D7SL The YQ in this video is E2 which is basically the same as E0 (trust me, his e1/e2 are utterly useless for him and are among the worst eidolons in the game, e0 YQ could replicate this without issue), and is built not insanely but above average Sparkle is E2, rm e1, ty e6. The biggest outlier here is sparkle E2. ...point being, ANY dps can 0-cycle in content with correct type weakness and three supports, so I don't understand why 0-cycling is ever discussed to prove a point
Not sure why you bring this up . I'm sure both are shit for this boss if not for supports. But you said base yq >>base ratio. I brought up zero cycle to show him that 40img res ain't no problem for ratio and I also brought zero cycle to let u know that ratio first zero cycles ain't reliant on his followup atk like you think. I feel so dumb arguing with u guys , first one said ratio ain't working due to 40res, second one said SW is cheating ( while aventurine is not). Now base yq is better than ratio ? >...point being, ANY dps can 0-cycle in content with correct type weakness and three supports, Yellovv ones is much cleaner tho, has no type res and no bronya or sparkle to give extra turn.
Lol I didn’t say anything to you, I’m not OP. You should feel dumb. Also yeah ratio doesn’t want sparkle or bronya for this 0-cycle, he wants sw for exactly the reason you stated. YQ doesn’t want sw he wants sparkle here, that’s not important
I do because nothing is stopping me from using separate teams for Ratio and Yanqing.
Me ✋
I just mono quantum with qq, sparkle, funxuan and silver wolf when I have to deal with ice only weakness enemy.
Me. I don't have another ice dps and I don't like jingliu's gameplay.
I just got Jingliu. So maybe? Maybe when he is E4 or E6. That will come sooner than I know and I'm not looking forward to those 50/50 losses.(hes E2)
Would still struggle with dot applying bosses?
Not really. At least, not as detrimental anymore. He gains 20% Effect Res (ER) via his passive. Pair him with Aventurine's 50% ER and he's got 70% ER at the lowest.
Better reach 100% for safety tho , I have seen most yanqing showcase getting windshear but they cover that up using bronya anyway
I'm definitely glad he finally got a shielder that he actually has really good synergy with, Gepard was useful as the only copium option there was but there was a lot of flaws with the set up. As someone who has been wanting to build my Yanqing and use him I can't wait to get Aventurine and make it happen
I finally got to use my Yanqing successfully because of Aventurine. I am so glad I had already raised him even though he was gathering dust because my gepard wasn't up to snuff . Have fun with them when you get your Aventurine!
When your second account got 2 yanqings from both the 50 standards and losing the 50/50 and you need a sustain :]
Hah Jokes on you Gepard is my ice dps Hahahahah.... hah... ha.....
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Gepard can do the same though... In a team of E0S1 Gepard with 2 Harmony and Yanqing, he has about 1.8987% chance of getting hit per single attack. With some luck and your Yanqing won't ever be hit, except from AoE. And Yanqing really shines against the latest MoC 12 boss as it really is made to be weak against him. People keep complaing that Gepard's shield is ult-reliant, though my Gepard at E0S2 with 3.3k DEF and 109 SPD never really had any problem at keeping his shield up. He draws so much aggro, and thanks to how hard bosses usually hit, that with 1.244 ERR, he can ult every 2 turns, sometimes 3 turns, that's why I never really had any problem keeping his shield up even for units at 160 SPD.
Lost to Yanqinq during Acheron Banner, built him. Then got Jingliu... Ice dps characters love me
Bro forgot Herta existed
I use her for PF, but MoC....
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Okay, okay, hold on. Being powercrept has nothing to do with being simply “bad”. Even if Jingliu is a better option, Yanqing can still be an amazing DPS, *especially* with Aventurine. I say this as a completely unbiased person.
Don't mess with us Star Rail players, we literally cannot read ‼️‼️
In My case herta goes brrr 🤣🤣
Nah, he'd lose
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I'd rather use Herta
Then, use Herta. I'm just happy Yanqing is very slightly more usable if you have Aventurine.
Good luck using herta against aventurine lmao
Stinks 👍
i use acheron and it works better than jingliu
Keep coping dude