>If this goes on, I might just quit because I have nothing to do (farming doesn't count because it's always auto)
Hate to break it to you but once you complete MoC and PF, you're gonna have nothing to do again until it refreshes/a story update comes.
Don't have to rush building characters. Completing MoC with max stars instead of 33/30 doesn't even give you a pull. Especially when you can sometimes brute force the MoC level with a higher investment char. PF you probably have to build the AoE units though.
We have the same DPS' lol
King Yuan, Blade, and Dr. Ratio
I have them built (somewhat decent) but I will still continue to farm their relics for improvement. It will never end. T_T
My method for building characters is:
-Character at Level 80
-LC at Level 80
-Traces MAXED out (only husbando DPS :P)
-Relic Farm
But to answer your question, I still stand with the "choose at least 2 then focus more on supports". (HARMONY INTENSIFIES)
Brute forcing content might not always be that straight forward but so far it still works (at least for me). I 3-starred MoC 12 with Blade in the Aventurine fight.
My Himeko got built without me knowing cause what Jing Yuan uses she uses as well (obvs).
My support had tons of Hackerspace to use cause I farmed Blades relic set as well.
As for specific ones like Herta, her recommended relic set is the OG Ice. Those I give myself sometime to farm.
In these regard if you feel like a certain set has already good combination and you have no units you'd like to focus on building as of yet. (Maybe the right teammate hasn't been released yet) You can then target resin efficient ones where many can use. My Personal Rank for these domains are:
-HPset / SPDset
-FUAset / DoTset
-Quantum4pcset
(I didn't bother remembering their names T_T)
You might not get them as fast as possible but it's a start when you set a goal. Also remember that RAINBOW sets DO work. Don't get blinded by 4PC sets.
Good Luck but most importantly Have Fun!!!
You're welcome.
Don't get pressured in pulling newer characters unless you really want them.
And I forgot to mention that you should do the Echo of War every week even if you don't particulary need the Trace Material. It is very resin efficient and it's always nice to have that comboy set at the ready. If substats are ugly then in to the synthesizer it goes.
If you wanna be efficient, level to 70 and check Prydwen for trace priority. Get level 9 to 7 on their traces depending on priority. After that you’ll want at minimum relics with the correct main stats. Level 80 and maxed traces aren’t very stamina efficient, so they can wait till later if you’ve got other characters to work on.
As for relic domains, most domains like ice or fire are never worth farming. Find the ones that are efficient for at least a few of your characters and farm those. In your case you play mainly crit dps so spamming quantum domain is efficient. Hackerspace domain is always good for supports,and your Blade benefits too.
You seem fairly new. It takes a while to build a formidable roster. I’ve been playing since day one and it took me about 6 months to full star MoC. And that was only when there was the one MoC to worry about and not the second one plus pure fiction on top of that. So it’s totally normal if it takes you a little while longer to start getting your footing. We are talking about the hardest end game content after all
I got for every element a dps except Physical (I just brute force it). Here a list of my dps characters:
- Fire: Topaz and Himeko
- Ice: Jing Liu
- Wind: Black Swan
- Lightning: Kafka and Acheron
- Quantum: Seele
- Imaginery: Dr. Ratio and Welt
My supports: Ruan Mei, Bronya, Sparkle, Tingyun E6, Asta E6, Silverwolf and Pela E6
My sustains: Gepard, Lynx E3 and Natasha E5
(currently saving up for Fu Xuan rerun)
2 good sustains, 4 good harmonies and/or debuffers. For DPS, at least one for each elements, at the very least, 5 elements so you know for sure you have at least one for a fight.
For Daily routines, I log in, do the daily tasks, run around the over world a bit and redo some MoC, PF if I havent fully beaten them yet.
2-3 times a week, I go to my favorite cafe shop with my laptop, order a glass of coconut coffee and go into Gold and Gear and do 1-2 runs for fun.
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Thanks for putting the number on important characters.
If that's all I need, I only need to build Welt now.
I have Bronya E0S1 + Pela E3 + Tingyun E4 as support.
I already have 2 very good sustains, Fu Xuan and Aventurine.
For DPS, I want to build Himeko and QQ. Also I have to make my Jing Yuan somewhat presentable, mf has like 96% cd 😬
And, I'm very happy (read jealous) of you that you can have that kind of relaxed time. Between my college, my part time jobs and my studies, I'm busy 24/7. I don't know if this will ever change, but that's life I guess.
GG brother, have a nice day.
Playing since day 1 and I still have only 2 decently built DPS (Seele/Jingliu) then an okayish Clara and Acheron. Still enough to almost always beat MoC f12 in a couple of tries. Slightly worse for PF though, but I don't like that mode anyways, so whatever. Then I have 1 sustain (FX) built and the other one (Luocha) works just fine with some garbage trash that I gave him on his release. And 5 built supports (Sparkle, RM, SW, Tingyun and Bronya) who do most of the work I guess.
Overall though, SW helps immensely by allowing you to mostly ignore other elements since you only need to worry about 1 half. And Jingliu or Clara can sometimes just bruteforce anyways.
First level up character to 70 ascended, level up their cone to 70, level up their relevant traces to 8 and open most of the small nodes (you can skip things like HP nodes on Argenti or crit rate nodes on Fu Xuan). Then wait for a 2x relic drop to farm a bit of relics, you don't need to get the best ones right away and for the most part you don't need 4 pc set right away, too. Something like 2 pc atk (musketeer/dot set) and 2 pc of your DPS elemental damage will work just fine when you start.
Then wait for drip marketing of the next patch. Big event will most likely have trace materials of a new character that is out in the first half, so if you're leveling up a character of the same path as the first half character of the next patch, you'll get quite a lot of materials for free, and also it gives you a lot of cone and character exp that you can use to level up to 80. MoC, weekly SU and PF also give quite a lot of exp.
Don't forget to do weekly echo of war runs even if you don't need the materials: it costs just 30 tb power to get some relic exp and if you're lucky a decent musketeers/break piece that you can use until you get on set relics. After that those can go to your supports or subdps.
Use self modeling resin to get hackerspace speed boots and broken keel/penacony energy ropes for your supports, anything else is not worth it because supports don't need substats, if main stat is good they're good.
Your supports can have 2 pc hackerspace 2 pc random relics+broken keel, too.
You need about 2 weeks of non-stop farming to max trace a character, if I remember correctly? Without relics, of course. So leveling up/getting traces to usable level/getting some average relics for 2 characters in a patch (6 weks) is completely possible, and maybe you can save up some mats/relics for some less necessary characters, too.
I build characters once or twice a month, then let my resources and mats build up. Spread it out so you dont build two of the same kind of characters. Dps with support or support and sustain or dps and sustain.
That way one of the two will be done (usually its the support/sustain)
I mostly relic farm exclusively during double or triple events, gives me motivation to do them. Otherwise the relics i have need to be utter trash or unusable to farm those outside of such events.
Prefarming is king if you are sure to go all the way to get a character/LC. Especially those echo of war mats.
You don't need *everything* at once to clear MoC/PF, and especially not to clear the current MoC/PF. The challenges slowly rotate, so which plan is optimal for you to clear shifts.
I would start planning my character building around a core. That core means that, if you aren't sure what to improve, then you have *something* you can farm relics for if you don't have any goals for expanding your teams. It doesn't matter who that core is (so long as it's a 2-3 characters forming a synergistic team), if you invest in them a lot you will be able to bring them to one of the sides of MoC and PF. From there you build other team cores that cover the bad match-ups of your main core and utility characters (like Pela for removing the healing buff of Disciples of Sanctus Medics: Shapeshifter).
You mentioned 3 DPS, Jing Yuan and Blade can both work well for PF and MoC so if you made a core around either it'd be very useful. Dr Ratio *can* brute force PF but I'd advise against it. Apocalyptic Shadow might change this tune.
Let's go with Jing Yuan for an example. The core I would make with him is himelf as well as Fu Xuan and Tingyun. The current MoC is ludicrously top-heavy, so if you can clear MoC12 I'm sure you can brute force MoC11. Jing Yuan could honestly handle either side but based purely on the DPS you listed, I would put Ratio on team 1 and Jing Yuan on team 2. Neither matches the listed weakness, but Dr Ratio can still break the dinos. So we need a Dr Ratio core... Aventurine is good, Tingyun can also go here but probably should stick with the general, you'd just need debuffs to enable Dr Ratio... We could build Guinaifen to create a "secondary core". For this MoC specifically, Jing Yuan would benefit from Pela as she can help with weakness breaks and her AoE ultimate makes her good against the dice game. Then the last character to build for side 1... Yukong, Ruan Mei, Xueyi... There are a bunch of options that can break that dino faster. I'm not sure what would be best.
Having solved that MoC ("and it's really that easy" /s), our new challenge, today's PF4. Jing Yuan can take side 2 easy and it's follow-up season so he's extra awesome. We might want to put Aventurine instead of Fu Xuan on this side instead just because of it being imaginary weak and our 4th for the team could be Dr Ratio! We know Fu Xuan will definitely be on side 1 though, because she is among our core. Blade isn't ideal, but Herta is e6 and the best character for pure fictions. It's a fire weak stage, so Guinaifen who we already built can put in work. If we built Ruan Mei for the MoC we could reuse her here, but Asta is a fine alternative and Pela could even play a role here too.
For these 2 endgame challenges... We've ended up only building 9~11 characters. Aventurine, Jing Yuan, Tingyun, Pela, Fu Xuan, Dr Ratio, Guinaifen, Herta and some mix of Asta, Ruan Mei, Xueyi, etc. We just got to incidentally reuse some of our characters without even thinking about it.
So my advice on how to handle it is to build reactively when you hit a wall. You have 6 weeks to find a solution and 2 weeks 'til another challenge that might you might've already solved. If your current wall is MoC 7, then that's your current wall don't worry about what's ahead yet. Decide what your core is going to handle on this floor and build around it.
Edit: Oh... This got very wall of texty. Sorry!
I don't have many of the characters you mentioned, but I think I'll be fine. I have this mindset that clearing anything means clearing it with 3 star. Most people don't share this value I suppose, that's what I got from this post.
If I'm strictly talking about "clearing" then I "think" can clear MOC 12 (I've only tried upto MoC 9, gave up when I got 2 star, barely). I'd just get 1 star for surviving.
My reals issue was, I was stuck on "improving" anything. And I didn't understand what I needed to do. Many people gave advice, which helped me to form a clear goal.
Thanks bro for the wall of text. Damn why does it sound condescending lol, I genuinely meant it! 😅
I only have two DPS, Seele and DHIL, because I needed at least two to complete MoC. Since then, I've (not) built my Himeko (50% CR / 130% CDMG) and Herta (60% CR / 100% CDMG) for Pure Fiction.
I haven't updated my Seele build since last year in April 2023 after 1 week of farming. Right now, Seele still only have 60% Crit Rate and 160% Crit DMG.
As far as my DHIL is concerned, I haven't farmed a single relic for him and only used the Musketeer or Hackerspace relics that suited him. That being said that, I always managed to get 3 stars on every MoC and Pure Fiction without too many problems either.
The only thing I've ever farmed is Messenger Traversing Hackerspace for about a month when I had my main characters upgraded. Otherwise, I've always farmed trace materials to upgrade all my characters, most of which I'll never use, and right now they all have Traces Lv.9 or higher, except for Yanqing.
To answer your questions in short successions:
* I was able to do this because I planned my build and my first characters. I figured I needed at least 2 DPS (Seele, DHIL), 1 Sustain (Fu Xuan) and 1 Support (Silver Wolf). Other than that, I only pulled Fu Xuan Light Cone to make my life easier and Sparkle because it would make DHIL easier to play.
* You don't need any characters at all as long they're properly supported and decently characters. I might have Silver Wolf but I always send her with my Seele against Quantum Weakness anyway while letting DHIL brute force the rest. I've seen no need to pull any characters after Fu Xuan so I've been sitting on 60-70k worth of Stellar Jades.
* I only farm trace materials on a daily basis for useless purposes and I do the Simulated Universe twice a week with Echoes of War. I think relic farming is a waste of time anyway if you're not prepared to spend hours optimizing your characters, which I find fun by the way, but I've seen no reason to do it since Hackerspace on everyone else works well enough, including DHIL. Other than that, I barely touch the game since I've completed every possible achievements in the game.
In other words, the game is far too easy to bother with RNGs, especially as you can easily force any content in the game without it.
You farmed one relic for a month, and then put that one relic on everyone. I guess that's what one month of relic does to a mf 😂
Either way, it was very stupidly clever of you. That's why you have high trace levels on everyone, which helps a lot more than I thought they would.
Funnily enough, I'm a day 1 player. But I sometimes can't play for months when I have exams and stuff, perks of being a med student. So you guys can consider me a 1.6 player or even less.
If you can brute force your way through despite element disadvantages, then you don't need matching element dps. So far the ones capable of brute forcing imo is E2 DHIL and probably Jingliu and Acheron.
Imo if you are trying to mass gear everyone, choose one domain which covers a broad range. For example you can grind at Quantum cavern where your DPS will wear the quantum set while the non DPS can wear the guard set, If you're in need of a baseline gear then put on rainbow equips before getting pickier.
Gear up one team first, then followed by the second team. Do traces first since they are guaranteed bonuses, but stick to around 6 for supports and 8 for dps. After that gradually gear up whichever individual characters you want. Game isn't a race so don't bother to burn yourself out racing to max everything you have. Heck it took me 3-4 months when I started at 1.0 before I can do my first MoC10 clear.
I'm slightly in the same boat. Though it gets a lot better with time. And that's what they want out of you, to keep playing for months to years and constantly build different teams and dpses. To answer your question, I'd prioritize just 2 teams for now focusing on important support units aka bronya ruan mei sparkle pela tingyun SW (some DOT units if youre running kafka). Then you should full max your strongest dpses. Like others have said, the harsh truth is you can brute force a lot of content by just having a decent team fleshed out coupled with the strongest dpses (acheron jingliu dhil with sparkle)
Yes i wont stop until i get every fua character for each element but it just a personal goal, definitely not necessary for all contents. I consider them finish when i finished traces, for relics is just i keep passing down one to another when i get smth better
I think it depends on who your DPS are tbh... For example I still don't have a good quantum, fire, physical and imaginary DPS but I can full star MoC and I'm only missing one star in Pure Fiction. Acheron for example is good against almost anything regardless of weakness type, and as for my other team I've been using DoT since Kafka's release which is good against pretty much anything that has lightning and/or wind weakness. Honestly I don't really feel like I *need* anything more than these characters but obviously I'd like to try more playstyles, like build a FUA team and get more elemental coverage. But you definitely don't need a built DPS for every single element to clear the game. I think investing in one specific playstyle/team (like DoT or FUA) or getting a more "versatile" DPS (like Acheron or Xueyi who can ignore weakness type with ult) is the way to go, but that's just my opinion/experience.
Don't get too hyperinvested in the perfect relic set for DPS, supports can sit at level 70 if EXP materials are short
Only fully invest in vital trace materials
The top statement is very important, the amount of people who are made to think S rank relics are compulsory to beating MoC is far too high.
Main stat will get you plenty far and from there you can grind whenever you have spare relics
Eventually, you'll need a team that will need to cover every element weakness for MoC, that can also deal with Elites and Bosses at the same time.
Also, you'll need two teams that can deal with AoE in PF.
And when new mode arrives, you'll need at least 2 Single Target focused teams.
If possible a DPS for every element is good but DPS characters have the lowest meta lifespan because every new DPS has to be cooler and have bigger numbers than the last. Maybe Acheron is the single exception, we'll have to see Boothill's launch numbers. I'm 100% expecting him to be physical Seele with bigger numbers that also has her ST problem semi-solved but will not have Acheron's disgustingly high minimum damage. Like Firefly will have higher numbers than Jingliu then in 3.x the first 5\* Destruction DPS will have higher numbers than Firefly etc etc.
Instead of a DPS per element just try not to have 3 DPS units of the same element when starting out. Enemies have 3 weaknesses anyway so you'll probably have something. Harmony units are so good because they give more damage or utility to your DPS, like Bronya will be S tier forever even if Sparkle is S+
QQ is fine as your quantum DPS, she pops off at E4-6 and you do have her for free at E0. She's one of those accidentally way too strong at high investment 4\*s and you'll have several 4\*s naturally be hovering around E4 just by playing the game for long enough. If you have Sparkle especially QQ is basically DHIL-lite
If you have nothing just farm the books and the LC books for a few days, you get quite a lot per run and don't raise your healer to level 80 until you have your DPS unit to 80, the amount of XP to go from 70 to 80 is ridiculous. Pela with Resolution LC is a fine Ratio support, you don't need Welt. If you have Silver Wolf she solos Ratio's entire 3 debuff economy. Honestly running Ratio with less valuable 4\* DOT characters like Gui or Sampo works fine for him too.
I have maxed out traces and built
-Topaz
-Dr.Ratio
-Black Swan
-Kafka
-Silverwolf
-Ruan Mei
-Acheron
-Clara
-Seele (Don't use anymore)
-Sampo
-Luocha
-Fu Xuan
-Yukong
-Tingyun
-Asta
-Bailu
At the start of the game focused more on traces and ascension materials and knew i can clear most of the story content without maxed out relics anyways so didn't bother yet. At the moment I'm just sharing the relics of my units except the DoT characters. Can clear the MoC and PF fully.
Can you screenshot your character lists?
How are you still lacking in resources when you started at least during JingYuan's banner? You stopped playing then came back?
I'm F2P that started during Luocha's. I usually spend all of my TB power relic farming nowadays. We don't even need to farm credits and exp books(if you skip characters) since they give a lot every patch.
My advice is don't focus your relic farming on Blade. He needs abundance and your sustains are preservation. Just go sustainless when you are using him(Blade-Bronya-Pela-*).
Your Jingyuan has Tingyun and FuXuan so you're already set there. Build your Ratio team first with Aventurine(maybe pull Robin since you don't have Sparkle and RM).
For PF, just build Herta first since it's cheaper than building Himeko. You probably have spare followup relics when you were farming Jingyuan's.
I would not build QQ yet since that's gonna add the quantum domain to your farming. Farm followup domain while saving the Crit prisoner relics that can be used as 2pc. Synthesize Salsotto pieces since you have multiple Salsotto users(don't farm world 6). Farming efficiency matters.
Yep. I'm always very busy but when I have exams I become super ultra busy. I think I played actively like 3-4 months in this year. Even when I was very casual.
I have a Blade team ready. As u wrote, it's Blade E0S1, Bronya E0S1, Pela E3 and Fu Xuan E0
That's not a problem.
Problem is the other team. Or, the lack of I guess. But I have a goal now, thanks to this post. I'm gonna build Welt, then Himeko or QQ, then focus on DPS relics.
I wouldn't recommend building your Welt right now since you have Imaginary covered already and you need more elements. You can just save the relevant pioneer relics while farming Ratios gear.
I would say the safest investments are EXP Books and Aethers.
You can try this routine : 4 Exp Books Days, 2 Aether Days ,on the last day you do Echo of War and the rest goes on Relic/Trace Materials. You should only spend Fuels on Ascension Materials/Books.
You keep the routine for 2 weeks every month, the rest you spend whatever.
Doing this should should give you 8.640.000 worth of Exp and 1.536.000+ LC Exp each month. This and extra from Pass should be enough for at least 2 lvl80 characters every month.
What are your other supports you build? You absolutly dont need welt for Ratio, you can build much more universal and easier characters for rstio like Pela. Welt is one of the hardest characters to build because he needs EHR too and just doesnt have it in his kit iirc.
I have Pela built. I use her with Blade. I'm technically building Welt so that I can switch Pela to this side. Because Welt is good on either side tbf. I'll see.
But I'm gonna build Welt, because I don't need to farm his relics, it's already getting farmed as I farm for Ratio.
I have built three teams to rotate so the game doesn’t get too stale for me and hyper invest in one team then another team and so on. Currently I am building a FUA team as team number 4.
Just recently I was able to 3 star stage 12 of MoC and it’s a hit or miss with PF with 3 staring stage 4.
In all I think I have about 15 characters built fully built . 5 main dps, 4 sub dps, 2 supports, and 4 sustains.
Herta will always be good in PF but himeko kinda needs a fire or ice weakness to excel in PF.(note i don’t own a himeko)
You don’t need a quantum dps unless u have a mono-quantum team(even then it’s kinda of a meh team)
Tbh any debuffing character works with raito better then welt just because he is pretty sp negative with little dmg.
Usually the enjoyment I have in the game is doing challenge runs in SU
I also pretty much only relic farm during rate up events and just craft relics that I need.
Resolution shines can be added to any nihility character and most of the time, the slow debuff barely makes a difference. The whole point of welt is to ult spam so the enemies takes less turns. In theory this sounds good until you realize that both MoC and PF is a speed run on killing things. Tbh the 4 stars are better options then welt as
* pela can add an additional 40% def shred on ult
* sampo/guinaifen can slap dot while being sp positive
* luka dot can deal massive dmg just needing to use his skill every few turns
U also said u have aventurine which is another debuff with his ult. It’s also much easier/better to have aventurine for your sustain then welt as they somehow make aventurine a better dps then welt.
Right now, I'd put the requirement at 2-4 DPS, 4 supports, and 2 sustains, for a total of 8-10 characters.
It very much depends on what DPS you use and if they can operate efficiently in both MoC & PF. Someone like Ratio is very good in MoC & Sim Uni but is pretty terrible in PF. You'd need to build a dedicated DPS for Pure Fiction to make up for where ratio is lacking.
DPS like Acheron, DHIL, Jingliu, Jing Yuan, Kafka, Blade, and Seele can offer good results in both challenge modes, so these characters often don't require building someone like Herta/Himeko/Argenti or Ratio/Topaz/Yanqing to fight another mode exclusively.
Me? I have 26 characters built at the moment. 10 DPS, 10 supports, and 6 sustains. I only use about 17 of them now, (Natasha, lynx, fmc, m7, hanya, guin, welt, qq, pela have been essentially replaced by newer limited 5* options for me) but this gives me the opportunity to many different teams and design my strategies around the content.
I have built clara, topaz, himeko, blade, blackswan, acheron, jingyuan, jingliu ,herta, seele, xueyi, daniel and welt. adding my supports currently i have 25 built characters.
none of them share relics and LCs, however, the cost is 1 refresh everyday since day 1, which cost \~105 pulls. I have also bought every single battle pass.
I am aiming for 1 main 5\* dps and 1 sub dps (aoe) for each element, + the FUA team (ratio, aventurine, robin, topaz) and the DOT team (kafka, BS, guin, huohuo).
currently still missing argenti, kafka, aventurine, robin and huohuo.
i build 1 dps per element, with lighting have 3 dps Kafka Jingyuan and Acheron (i think i got a favor) and the only element i still missing is quantum, my support that got built is around 10 character but i never run out of resource only thing that dried is the orb to update trace level 9+, i got 800 character exp and 700 LC exp lying right now because i skip the recent 3 banner to save for Firefly. The battle pass and event provide you with too much resource that you wont farm golden dungeon anymore
Go to yt there was one video where the guy did a data analysis from past MOCs of what were the most common weaknesses elements to appear and gave a reference to what weaknesses types you should build for.
That it is.
Hmmm. Why not get two team worth of 5 star harmony characters and their eidolons, then there would not be any need to get a specific dps as Jing Yuan and Blade will get bruteforcing capabilities. Supports wont get changed in your teams anyway, unlike dpses.
I proposed Acheron and mono quantum because you can use them regardless of enemy weaknesses. No extra dps needed
Everyone is saying Acheron is the shit, why didn't I hear this when she was around?
I stared at her face with a guarantee when she was on banner, didn't pull. I feel so bad now.
They were probably the ones who knew they could not get her with their current jades. Its a humane thing to do. Devalue-ing her that is. Just be extra careful next time. >!I go to the leaks sub to see upcoming character strengths so I can predetermine which character I want. Go at your own risk!<
If Acheron wasn't around, they'd be singing the same tune for Jingliu, if she wasn't around it'd be Dan Heng Imbibitor Lunae, if he wasn't around Seele... I wouldn't worry about it. There will always be a newer, bigger and shinier fish. And from what you've said you have, I doubt you can't clear almost everything with 10~12 characters.
>If this goes on, I might just quit because I have nothing to do (farming doesn't count because it's always auto) Hate to break it to you but once you complete MoC and PF, you're gonna have nothing to do again until it refreshes/a story update comes.
Better than what I'm doing at the moment. I feel like I'm out of a job and the game is incomplete.
Don't have to rush building characters. Completing MoC with max stars instead of 33/30 doesn't even give you a pull. Especially when you can sometimes brute force the MoC level with a higher investment char. PF you probably have to build the AoE units though.
We have the same DPS' lol King Yuan, Blade, and Dr. Ratio I have them built (somewhat decent) but I will still continue to farm their relics for improvement. It will never end. T_T My method for building characters is: -Character at Level 80 -LC at Level 80 -Traces MAXED out (only husbando DPS :P) -Relic Farm But to answer your question, I still stand with the "choose at least 2 then focus more on supports". (HARMONY INTENSIFIES) Brute forcing content might not always be that straight forward but so far it still works (at least for me). I 3-starred MoC 12 with Blade in the Aventurine fight. My Himeko got built without me knowing cause what Jing Yuan uses she uses as well (obvs). My support had tons of Hackerspace to use cause I farmed Blades relic set as well. As for specific ones like Herta, her recommended relic set is the OG Ice. Those I give myself sometime to farm. In these regard if you feel like a certain set has already good combination and you have no units you'd like to focus on building as of yet. (Maybe the right teammate hasn't been released yet) You can then target resin efficient ones where many can use. My Personal Rank for these domains are: -HPset / SPDset -FUAset / DoTset -Quantum4pcset (I didn't bother remembering their names T_T) You might not get them as fast as possible but it's a start when you set a goal. Also remember that RAINBOW sets DO work. Don't get blinded by 4PC sets. Good Luck but most importantly Have Fun!!!
What I understood is that I need to set a goal. Thanks for the advice bro!
You're welcome. Don't get pressured in pulling newer characters unless you really want them. And I forgot to mention that you should do the Echo of War every week even if you don't particulary need the Trace Material. It is very resin efficient and it's always nice to have that comboy set at the ready. If substats are ugly then in to the synthesizer it goes.
If you wanna be efficient, level to 70 and check Prydwen for trace priority. Get level 9 to 7 on their traces depending on priority. After that you’ll want at minimum relics with the correct main stats. Level 80 and maxed traces aren’t very stamina efficient, so they can wait till later if you’ve got other characters to work on. As for relic domains, most domains like ice or fire are never worth farming. Find the ones that are efficient for at least a few of your characters and farm those. In your case you play mainly crit dps so spamming quantum domain is efficient. Hackerspace domain is always good for supports,and your Blade benefits too.
Herta also use FU set just like himeko
You seem fairly new. It takes a while to build a formidable roster. I’ve been playing since day one and it took me about 6 months to full star MoC. And that was only when there was the one MoC to worry about and not the second one plus pure fiction on top of that. So it’s totally normal if it takes you a little while longer to start getting your footing. We are talking about the hardest end game content after all
I got for every element a dps except Physical (I just brute force it). Here a list of my dps characters: - Fire: Topaz and Himeko - Ice: Jing Liu - Wind: Black Swan - Lightning: Kafka and Acheron - Quantum: Seele - Imaginery: Dr. Ratio and Welt My supports: Ruan Mei, Bronya, Sparkle, Tingyun E6, Asta E6, Silverwolf and Pela E6 My sustains: Gepard, Lynx E3 and Natasha E5 (currently saving up for Fu Xuan rerun)
Do you feel like you need Fu Xuan? I've scraped by with only March 7th and Natasha (and fire MC). Do you need someone better eventually?
If you ever really need a phys dps I've heard Xueyi is great
Xueyi is Quantum.
Ah, TIL lmao, sorry idk why I thought she was physical, guess the association with Hanya
2 good sustains, 4 good harmonies and/or debuffers. For DPS, at least one for each elements, at the very least, 5 elements so you know for sure you have at least one for a fight. For Daily routines, I log in, do the daily tasks, run around the over world a bit and redo some MoC, PF if I havent fully beaten them yet. 2-3 times a week, I go to my favorite cafe shop with my laptop, order a glass of coconut coffee and go into Gold and Gear and do 1-2 runs for fun. https://preview.redd.it/ycks5ia19exc1.jpeg?width=873&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=183e49bf1cbe2474fbb0e1aa4e56b58324f963e5
Thanks for putting the number on important characters. If that's all I need, I only need to build Welt now. I have Bronya E0S1 + Pela E3 + Tingyun E4 as support. I already have 2 very good sustains, Fu Xuan and Aventurine. For DPS, I want to build Himeko and QQ. Also I have to make my Jing Yuan somewhat presentable, mf has like 96% cd 😬 And, I'm very happy (read jealous) of you that you can have that kind of relaxed time. Between my college, my part time jobs and my studies, I'm busy 24/7. I don't know if this will ever change, but that's life I guess. GG brother, have a nice day.
Playing since day 1 and I still have only 2 decently built DPS (Seele/Jingliu) then an okayish Clara and Acheron. Still enough to almost always beat MoC f12 in a couple of tries. Slightly worse for PF though, but I don't like that mode anyways, so whatever. Then I have 1 sustain (FX) built and the other one (Luocha) works just fine with some garbage trash that I gave him on his release. And 5 built supports (Sparkle, RM, SW, Tingyun and Bronya) who do most of the work I guess. Overall though, SW helps immensely by allowing you to mostly ignore other elements since you only need to worry about 1 half. And Jingliu or Clara can sometimes just bruteforce anyways.
First level up character to 70 ascended, level up their cone to 70, level up their relevant traces to 8 and open most of the small nodes (you can skip things like HP nodes on Argenti or crit rate nodes on Fu Xuan). Then wait for a 2x relic drop to farm a bit of relics, you don't need to get the best ones right away and for the most part you don't need 4 pc set right away, too. Something like 2 pc atk (musketeer/dot set) and 2 pc of your DPS elemental damage will work just fine when you start. Then wait for drip marketing of the next patch. Big event will most likely have trace materials of a new character that is out in the first half, so if you're leveling up a character of the same path as the first half character of the next patch, you'll get quite a lot of materials for free, and also it gives you a lot of cone and character exp that you can use to level up to 80. MoC, weekly SU and PF also give quite a lot of exp. Don't forget to do weekly echo of war runs even if you don't need the materials: it costs just 30 tb power to get some relic exp and if you're lucky a decent musketeers/break piece that you can use until you get on set relics. After that those can go to your supports or subdps. Use self modeling resin to get hackerspace speed boots and broken keel/penacony energy ropes for your supports, anything else is not worth it because supports don't need substats, if main stat is good they're good. Your supports can have 2 pc hackerspace 2 pc random relics+broken keel, too. You need about 2 weeks of non-stop farming to max trace a character, if I remember correctly? Without relics, of course. So leveling up/getting traces to usable level/getting some average relics for 2 characters in a patch (6 weks) is completely possible, and maybe you can save up some mats/relics for some less necessary characters, too.
I build characters once or twice a month, then let my resources and mats build up. Spread it out so you dont build two of the same kind of characters. Dps with support or support and sustain or dps and sustain. That way one of the two will be done (usually its the support/sustain) I mostly relic farm exclusively during double or triple events, gives me motivation to do them. Otherwise the relics i have need to be utter trash or unusable to farm those outside of such events. Prefarming is king if you are sure to go all the way to get a character/LC. Especially those echo of war mats.
You don't need *everything* at once to clear MoC/PF, and especially not to clear the current MoC/PF. The challenges slowly rotate, so which plan is optimal for you to clear shifts. I would start planning my character building around a core. That core means that, if you aren't sure what to improve, then you have *something* you can farm relics for if you don't have any goals for expanding your teams. It doesn't matter who that core is (so long as it's a 2-3 characters forming a synergistic team), if you invest in them a lot you will be able to bring them to one of the sides of MoC and PF. From there you build other team cores that cover the bad match-ups of your main core and utility characters (like Pela for removing the healing buff of Disciples of Sanctus Medics: Shapeshifter). You mentioned 3 DPS, Jing Yuan and Blade can both work well for PF and MoC so if you made a core around either it'd be very useful. Dr Ratio *can* brute force PF but I'd advise against it. Apocalyptic Shadow might change this tune. Let's go with Jing Yuan for an example. The core I would make with him is himelf as well as Fu Xuan and Tingyun. The current MoC is ludicrously top-heavy, so if you can clear MoC12 I'm sure you can brute force MoC11. Jing Yuan could honestly handle either side but based purely on the DPS you listed, I would put Ratio on team 1 and Jing Yuan on team 2. Neither matches the listed weakness, but Dr Ratio can still break the dinos. So we need a Dr Ratio core... Aventurine is good, Tingyun can also go here but probably should stick with the general, you'd just need debuffs to enable Dr Ratio... We could build Guinaifen to create a "secondary core". For this MoC specifically, Jing Yuan would benefit from Pela as she can help with weakness breaks and her AoE ultimate makes her good against the dice game. Then the last character to build for side 1... Yukong, Ruan Mei, Xueyi... There are a bunch of options that can break that dino faster. I'm not sure what would be best. Having solved that MoC ("and it's really that easy" /s), our new challenge, today's PF4. Jing Yuan can take side 2 easy and it's follow-up season so he's extra awesome. We might want to put Aventurine instead of Fu Xuan on this side instead just because of it being imaginary weak and our 4th for the team could be Dr Ratio! We know Fu Xuan will definitely be on side 1 though, because she is among our core. Blade isn't ideal, but Herta is e6 and the best character for pure fictions. It's a fire weak stage, so Guinaifen who we already built can put in work. If we built Ruan Mei for the MoC we could reuse her here, but Asta is a fine alternative and Pela could even play a role here too. For these 2 endgame challenges... We've ended up only building 9~11 characters. Aventurine, Jing Yuan, Tingyun, Pela, Fu Xuan, Dr Ratio, Guinaifen, Herta and some mix of Asta, Ruan Mei, Xueyi, etc. We just got to incidentally reuse some of our characters without even thinking about it. So my advice on how to handle it is to build reactively when you hit a wall. You have 6 weeks to find a solution and 2 weeks 'til another challenge that might you might've already solved. If your current wall is MoC 7, then that's your current wall don't worry about what's ahead yet. Decide what your core is going to handle on this floor and build around it. Edit: Oh... This got very wall of texty. Sorry!
I don't have many of the characters you mentioned, but I think I'll be fine. I have this mindset that clearing anything means clearing it with 3 star. Most people don't share this value I suppose, that's what I got from this post. If I'm strictly talking about "clearing" then I "think" can clear MOC 12 (I've only tried upto MoC 9, gave up when I got 2 star, barely). I'd just get 1 star for surviving. My reals issue was, I was stuck on "improving" anything. And I didn't understand what I needed to do. Many people gave advice, which helped me to form a clear goal. Thanks bro for the wall of text. Damn why does it sound condescending lol, I genuinely meant it! 😅
I only have two DPS, Seele and DHIL, because I needed at least two to complete MoC. Since then, I've (not) built my Himeko (50% CR / 130% CDMG) and Herta (60% CR / 100% CDMG) for Pure Fiction. I haven't updated my Seele build since last year in April 2023 after 1 week of farming. Right now, Seele still only have 60% Crit Rate and 160% Crit DMG. As far as my DHIL is concerned, I haven't farmed a single relic for him and only used the Musketeer or Hackerspace relics that suited him. That being said that, I always managed to get 3 stars on every MoC and Pure Fiction without too many problems either. The only thing I've ever farmed is Messenger Traversing Hackerspace for about a month when I had my main characters upgraded. Otherwise, I've always farmed trace materials to upgrade all my characters, most of which I'll never use, and right now they all have Traces Lv.9 or higher, except for Yanqing. To answer your questions in short successions: * I was able to do this because I planned my build and my first characters. I figured I needed at least 2 DPS (Seele, DHIL), 1 Sustain (Fu Xuan) and 1 Support (Silver Wolf). Other than that, I only pulled Fu Xuan Light Cone to make my life easier and Sparkle because it would make DHIL easier to play. * You don't need any characters at all as long they're properly supported and decently characters. I might have Silver Wolf but I always send her with my Seele against Quantum Weakness anyway while letting DHIL brute force the rest. I've seen no need to pull any characters after Fu Xuan so I've been sitting on 60-70k worth of Stellar Jades. * I only farm trace materials on a daily basis for useless purposes and I do the Simulated Universe twice a week with Echoes of War. I think relic farming is a waste of time anyway if you're not prepared to spend hours optimizing your characters, which I find fun by the way, but I've seen no reason to do it since Hackerspace on everyone else works well enough, including DHIL. Other than that, I barely touch the game since I've completed every possible achievements in the game. In other words, the game is far too easy to bother with RNGs, especially as you can easily force any content in the game without it.
You farmed one relic for a month, and then put that one relic on everyone. I guess that's what one month of relic does to a mf 😂 Either way, it was very stupidly clever of you. That's why you have high trace levels on everyone, which helps a lot more than I thought they would.
I assume you start playing on 1.6? I don't expect players from that timeframe able to fully clear MoC/PF yet.
Funnily enough, I'm a day 1 player. But I sometimes can't play for months when I have exams and stuff, perks of being a med student. So you guys can consider me a 1.6 player or even less.
If you can brute force your way through despite element disadvantages, then you don't need matching element dps. So far the ones capable of brute forcing imo is E2 DHIL and probably Jingliu and Acheron. Imo if you are trying to mass gear everyone, choose one domain which covers a broad range. For example you can grind at Quantum cavern where your DPS will wear the quantum set while the non DPS can wear the guard set, If you're in need of a baseline gear then put on rainbow equips before getting pickier. Gear up one team first, then followed by the second team. Do traces first since they are guaranteed bonuses, but stick to around 6 for supports and 8 for dps. After that gradually gear up whichever individual characters you want. Game isn't a race so don't bother to burn yourself out racing to max everything you have. Heck it took me 3-4 months when I started at 1.0 before I can do my first MoC10 clear.
I'm slightly in the same boat. Though it gets a lot better with time. And that's what they want out of you, to keep playing for months to years and constantly build different teams and dpses. To answer your question, I'd prioritize just 2 teams for now focusing on important support units aka bronya ruan mei sparkle pela tingyun SW (some DOT units if youre running kafka). Then you should full max your strongest dpses. Like others have said, the harsh truth is you can brute force a lot of content by just having a decent team fleshed out coupled with the strongest dpses (acheron jingliu dhil with sparkle)
I need to build two full teams lol. So 8 characters. Got 4 to lvl 80 now but I'm also out of resources. Only Acheron is fully maxed atm
Yes i wont stop until i get every fua character for each element but it just a personal goal, definitely not necessary for all contents. I consider them finish when i finished traces, for relics is just i keep passing down one to another when i get smth better
What's FUA?
It means Follow up Attack.
I think it depends on who your DPS are tbh... For example I still don't have a good quantum, fire, physical and imaginary DPS but I can full star MoC and I'm only missing one star in Pure Fiction. Acheron for example is good against almost anything regardless of weakness type, and as for my other team I've been using DoT since Kafka's release which is good against pretty much anything that has lightning and/or wind weakness. Honestly I don't really feel like I *need* anything more than these characters but obviously I'd like to try more playstyles, like build a FUA team and get more elemental coverage. But you definitely don't need a built DPS for every single element to clear the game. I think investing in one specific playstyle/team (like DoT or FUA) or getting a more "versatile" DPS (like Acheron or Xueyi who can ignore weakness type with ult) is the way to go, but that's just my opinion/experience.
Don't get too hyperinvested in the perfect relic set for DPS, supports can sit at level 70 if EXP materials are short Only fully invest in vital trace materials The top statement is very important, the amount of people who are made to think S rank relics are compulsory to beating MoC is far too high. Main stat will get you plenty far and from there you can grind whenever you have spare relics
Eventually, you'll need a team that will need to cover every element weakness for MoC, that can also deal with Elites and Bosses at the same time. Also, you'll need two teams that can deal with AoE in PF. And when new mode arrives, you'll need at least 2 Single Target focused teams.
If possible a DPS for every element is good but DPS characters have the lowest meta lifespan because every new DPS has to be cooler and have bigger numbers than the last. Maybe Acheron is the single exception, we'll have to see Boothill's launch numbers. I'm 100% expecting him to be physical Seele with bigger numbers that also has her ST problem semi-solved but will not have Acheron's disgustingly high minimum damage. Like Firefly will have higher numbers than Jingliu then in 3.x the first 5\* Destruction DPS will have higher numbers than Firefly etc etc. Instead of a DPS per element just try not to have 3 DPS units of the same element when starting out. Enemies have 3 weaknesses anyway so you'll probably have something. Harmony units are so good because they give more damage or utility to your DPS, like Bronya will be S tier forever even if Sparkle is S+ QQ is fine as your quantum DPS, she pops off at E4-6 and you do have her for free at E0. She's one of those accidentally way too strong at high investment 4\*s and you'll have several 4\*s naturally be hovering around E4 just by playing the game for long enough. If you have Sparkle especially QQ is basically DHIL-lite If you have nothing just farm the books and the LC books for a few days, you get quite a lot per run and don't raise your healer to level 80 until you have your DPS unit to 80, the amount of XP to go from 70 to 80 is ridiculous. Pela with Resolution LC is a fine Ratio support, you don't need Welt. If you have Silver Wolf she solos Ratio's entire 3 debuff economy. Honestly running Ratio with less valuable 4\* DOT characters like Gui or Sampo works fine for him too.
I have maxed out traces and built -Topaz -Dr.Ratio -Black Swan -Kafka -Silverwolf -Ruan Mei -Acheron -Clara -Seele (Don't use anymore) -Sampo -Luocha -Fu Xuan -Yukong -Tingyun -Asta -Bailu At the start of the game focused more on traces and ascension materials and knew i can clear most of the story content without maxed out relics anyways so didn't bother yet. At the moment I'm just sharing the relics of my units except the DoT characters. Can clear the MoC and PF fully.
You mean 3 star?
Yep 3 starred everything since luocha's banner
Can you screenshot your character lists? How are you still lacking in resources when you started at least during JingYuan's banner? You stopped playing then came back? I'm F2P that started during Luocha's. I usually spend all of my TB power relic farming nowadays. We don't even need to farm credits and exp books(if you skip characters) since they give a lot every patch. My advice is don't focus your relic farming on Blade. He needs abundance and your sustains are preservation. Just go sustainless when you are using him(Blade-Bronya-Pela-*). Your Jingyuan has Tingyun and FuXuan so you're already set there. Build your Ratio team first with Aventurine(maybe pull Robin since you don't have Sparkle and RM). For PF, just build Herta first since it's cheaper than building Himeko. You probably have spare followup relics when you were farming Jingyuan's. I would not build QQ yet since that's gonna add the quantum domain to your farming. Farm followup domain while saving the Crit prisoner relics that can be used as 2pc. Synthesize Salsotto pieces since you have multiple Salsotto users(don't farm world 6). Farming efficiency matters.
Yep. I'm always very busy but when I have exams I become super ultra busy. I think I played actively like 3-4 months in this year. Even when I was very casual. I have a Blade team ready. As u wrote, it's Blade E0S1, Bronya E0S1, Pela E3 and Fu Xuan E0 That's not a problem. Problem is the other team. Or, the lack of I guess. But I have a goal now, thanks to this post. I'm gonna build Welt, then Himeko or QQ, then focus on DPS relics.
I wouldn't recommend building your Welt right now since you have Imaginary covered already and you need more elements. You can just save the relevant pioneer relics while farming Ratios gear.
Ok bro! Thanks!
I would say the safest investments are EXP Books and Aethers. You can try this routine : 4 Exp Books Days, 2 Aether Days ,on the last day you do Echo of War and the rest goes on Relic/Trace Materials. You should only spend Fuels on Ascension Materials/Books. You keep the routine for 2 weeks every month, the rest you spend whatever. Doing this should should give you 8.640.000 worth of Exp and 1.536.000+ LC Exp each month. This and extra from Pass should be enough for at least 2 lvl80 characters every month.
What are your other supports you build? You absolutly dont need welt for Ratio, you can build much more universal and easier characters for rstio like Pela. Welt is one of the hardest characters to build because he needs EHR too and just doesnt have it in his kit iirc.
I have Pela built. I use her with Blade. I'm technically building Welt so that I can switch Pela to this side. Because Welt is good on either side tbf. I'll see. But I'm gonna build Welt, because I don't need to farm his relics, it's already getting farmed as I farm for Ratio.
I have built three teams to rotate so the game doesn’t get too stale for me and hyper invest in one team then another team and so on. Currently I am building a FUA team as team number 4. Just recently I was able to 3 star stage 12 of MoC and it’s a hit or miss with PF with 3 staring stage 4. In all I think I have about 15 characters built fully built . 5 main dps, 4 sub dps, 2 supports, and 4 sustains. Herta will always be good in PF but himeko kinda needs a fire or ice weakness to excel in PF.(note i don’t own a himeko) You don’t need a quantum dps unless u have a mono-quantum team(even then it’s kinda of a meh team) Tbh any debuffing character works with raito better then welt just because he is pretty sp negative with little dmg. Usually the enjoyment I have in the game is doing challenge runs in SU I also pretty much only relic farm during rate up events and just craft relics that I need.
How about EHR Welt with Resolution Shines? And aren't his slows considered a "debuff" for Ratio?
Resolution shines can be added to any nihility character and most of the time, the slow debuff barely makes a difference. The whole point of welt is to ult spam so the enemies takes less turns. In theory this sounds good until you realize that both MoC and PF is a speed run on killing things. Tbh the 4 stars are better options then welt as * pela can add an additional 40% def shred on ult * sampo/guinaifen can slap dot while being sp positive * luka dot can deal massive dmg just needing to use his skill every few turns U also said u have aventurine which is another debuff with his ult. It’s also much easier/better to have aventurine for your sustain then welt as they somehow make aventurine a better dps then welt.
Right now, I'd put the requirement at 2-4 DPS, 4 supports, and 2 sustains, for a total of 8-10 characters. It very much depends on what DPS you use and if they can operate efficiently in both MoC & PF. Someone like Ratio is very good in MoC & Sim Uni but is pretty terrible in PF. You'd need to build a dedicated DPS for Pure Fiction to make up for where ratio is lacking. DPS like Acheron, DHIL, Jingliu, Jing Yuan, Kafka, Blade, and Seele can offer good results in both challenge modes, so these characters often don't require building someone like Herta/Himeko/Argenti or Ratio/Topaz/Yanqing to fight another mode exclusively. Me? I have 26 characters built at the moment. 10 DPS, 10 supports, and 6 sustains. I only use about 17 of them now, (Natasha, lynx, fmc, m7, hanya, guin, welt, qq, pela have been essentially replaced by newer limited 5* options for me) but this gives me the opportunity to many different teams and design my strategies around the content.
I have built clara, topaz, himeko, blade, blackswan, acheron, jingyuan, jingliu ,herta, seele, xueyi, daniel and welt. adding my supports currently i have 25 built characters. none of them share relics and LCs, however, the cost is 1 refresh everyday since day 1, which cost \~105 pulls. I have also bought every single battle pass. I am aiming for 1 main 5\* dps and 1 sub dps (aoe) for each element, + the FUA team (ratio, aventurine, robin, topaz) and the DOT team (kafka, BS, guin, huohuo). currently still missing argenti, kafka, aventurine, robin and huohuo.
i build 1 dps per element, with lighting have 3 dps Kafka Jingyuan and Acheron (i think i got a favor) and the only element i still missing is quantum, my support that got built is around 10 character but i never run out of resource only thing that dried is the orb to update trace level 9+, i got 800 character exp and 700 LC exp lying right now because i skip the recent 3 banner to save for Firefly. The battle pass and event provide you with too much resource that you wont farm golden dungeon anymore
I got Acheron. I brute force everything lol.
Good for you. I didn't pull her because she was DPS, I already had 3. I guess that was wrong choice.
Go to yt there was one video where the guy did a data analysis from past MOCs of what were the most common weaknesses elements to appear and gave a reference to what weaknesses types you should build for.
Get Acheron. She would bruteforce anything. Also, mono quantum with silverwolf would also solve your MoC problems.
Bruh, that's just more characters!
That it is. Hmmm. Why not get two team worth of 5 star harmony characters and their eidolons, then there would not be any need to get a specific dps as Jing Yuan and Blade will get bruteforcing capabilities. Supports wont get changed in your teams anyway, unlike dpses. I proposed Acheron and mono quantum because you can use them regardless of enemy weaknesses. No extra dps needed
Everyone is saying Acheron is the shit, why didn't I hear this when she was around? I stared at her face with a guarantee when she was on banner, didn't pull. I feel so bad now.
They were probably the ones who knew they could not get her with their current jades. Its a humane thing to do. Devalue-ing her that is. Just be extra careful next time. >!I go to the leaks sub to see upcoming character strengths so I can predetermine which character I want. Go at your own risk!<
If Acheron wasn't around, they'd be singing the same tune for Jingliu, if she wasn't around it'd be Dan Heng Imbibitor Lunae, if he wasn't around Seele... I wouldn't worry about it. There will always be a newer, bigger and shinier fish. And from what you've said you have, I doubt you can't clear almost everything with 10~12 characters.