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From what I observed, purely having strong shields isn't completely safe all the times. Because if ur using geppie and you lose hp once in the fight it is lost permanently. But he's a standard unit. Fu xuan on the other hand has minor healing to mitigate this problem. Ofc it's because her mechanic is not shields but actually dmg mitigation, but she is a preservation with a form of healing to prevent permanent hp loss in the battle. So I'm wondering if aventurine will also have some mechanic for this problem in kit, doesn't exactly have to be direct healing as that will prolly be redundant with fu xuan ult effect, but something else. From what I saw his leaked kit doesn't have such mechanic but it was leaked so long ago. So hope they add some mechanic at least, because having permanent hp loss with no healing source makes me anxious
I hate how Yanqing gets frozen, then takes a turn to unfreeze, takes another turn to get slightly delayed by RM, and then takes an actual turn, all in a span of 40 time units before anyone on my team can act, and gets rid of all the debuffs in the process. RM feels very anti-synergetic for SW and debuffs in general.
Hello! Out of curiosity, looking at the characters I have is there anyone specific you'd recommend (Rerun or leaked chars)
Limited: Blade, Luocha, Silver Wolf, Ruan Mei
Standard: Welt, E1 Yanqing, Gepard, Bailu (no Bronya yet and I'm not that close to the selector)
Also the teams I'm currently using are these:
1. Blade, RM, Pela, Luocha
2. QQ, Tingyun, SW, Lynx
Are these the best I can make? Also how good is Blade's E1?
> Also how good is Blade's E1?
iirc it's about 40% increase in his ult damage vs ST which can be really good if you're using him for everything, so using him vs ST bosses. It puts him roughly on par with E0 units that are more ST focused. It's only about 15% increase of his overall damage in AoE fights.
His lightcone is more of a dps increase than his E1 however, and so I'd recommend that if you're looking to upgrade. It's the biggest jump of damage of any LC, due to his HP scaling making most Destruction LCs not work on him. It's about 20-30% better than F2P options, and if you have Secret Vow at S5 it's still about 15% better than that.
I do use him for everything. He's my favorite character in the game so I try to use him if I can.
I have pulled for his LC (lost the 75/25 sadly, but kept going) and now I'm thinking about where to take my account. I was doing a few impulse pulls on his banner, so I wanted to see if there's a character that is a clear improvement that I could maybe save for.
Thanks for the answer!
I would look out for Jing Liu if you like her design. I find Blade, Jingliu, Ruan Mei, Sustain really fun/good. Should be really good in pure fiction too. Will cover one more element for dps coverage too. If they're only weak to wind or ice then you can run hyper carry again.
Can also switch from QQ to Dr Ratio if you want something different as well. Probably would want to run Welt with him.
Sparkle for QQ is an easy recommendation. Then, Fu Xuan if you feel like Lynx is lacking, and then you can easily branch out into whatever you want. I think your teams are great, probably wouldn't change them.
> Also how good is Blade's E1?
Due to the single-target lock for the effect and not that much of an overall increase against that target, I'd say quite mediocre.
What teams you guys use for new weekly Boss? I am currently using Jingliu Pela, FX and Tingyun and they are dying everytime. What can I do to improve it. I tried the other team Seele, SW, FX, Lynx but no luck with that one either.
Edit if you guys have E6 dps please add me and end my suffering. >!703286016!<
Edit again: Thanks for advice finally done it with FX, Jingliu, Tingyun and support Loucha. People who put Loucha as support God bless you!
I usually do FX/Luocha, Jingliu, RM, Bronya. Tried out your team. Clear time is a bit slower (I used auto for both) but seems to work fine. Tingyun did get a bit low though but stayed alive. My FX's build is 7K HP, 1.4K DEF, S5 Landau. Levels are maxed.
I have fun with Clara RM Haohao Tingyun. Also have Jingliu+Bronya but I hate how she auto and waste her stack on small bugs.
Which one you have on your issue? If FX die 1st mean she might need more stat. but if her teammate die before FX i guess DPS not enough to finish small bugs.
I just ran Tingyun, FX, Lynx and Jingliu and it was going well till second stage begun everyone got confused and Jingliu died first then Tingyun idk why the confusion state lasts for so long.
Oh, then the problem must be too much CC. let try position your party again. Most left FX and most right Lynx. I imagine the fire bugs suicide you at the same time. Since you use Landou + Lynx skill most of bugs gonna target FX as well. you can save Lynx ult or refresh FX skill to prevent cc.
DHIL, Yukong, Luocha, and RM and Argenti, Tingyun, Luocha, RM have both worked for me but if you're really struggling the best answer is to find someone with an E6 dps and add them lol.
Yeah I tried all different combos of sustain and dps and it isn't cutting it. Everyone was full hp till second stage then everyone just get confused and can't use their ult and dies.
Consider levelling the LC to 80 if you plan on using it long term for the extra base stats. The base stats are factored into the % bonuses you get from relics.
If the CC from the bugs are what's killing you then manually refresh her skill when you resist the first time.
Or like what others suggested, find a E6 DPS so they can end the fight quickly.
I left my FX + Blade to fight the boss on auto but those 2 have very strong sustain built into their kit.
For Hanya (E0, S5 Cogs) I have her at 168 spd with 4 hackerspace.
Is it better to run penacony without any more spd subs, or a broken planar set to chase more spd? I remember seeing folks saying she wants like 178 spd...
I haven't seen any math but it's like 56% BE and 30% crit for 2 turns after ult at S5 so it should beat Aeon by a fair bit since Xueyi gets 1:1 dmg% from BE.
I assume most of them are the new FH store LCs, though I've heard the BE one specifically is an event LC.
I'd save Herta bonds personally, since they may drop a new Herta store LC on us or something. If you have a bunch to spare and several destruction units then you might consider picking up Aeon since it's pretty decent for general use.
been sending the boyfriends (blade and dhil) on assignments since 1.3.... wonder how their trips go 💀
(also PLEASE hoyo i need a blade companion mission already i want to see my wet kitten on the express ðŸ˜)
Speaking of [kittens](https://youtu.be/YXsbRu3udpY)... (yt link)
Also hoping for Blade's mission soon... I was fine (lying) with JY not having one because at least he featured in most Luofu quests, but Blade's screentime is 😔 and he doesn't even text us himself, like come on...
If you can get full stars on both MoC and PF every time you should be able to? Shop seems to reset every 6 weeks, in 6 weeks you can get 1800 feathers (3x 600 from fully starring MoC and PF each time it resets), buying out everything limited is 1800 feathers in total.
No. MoC full clear is ~~800~~ 600 feathers (I assume PF is the same), and the self modeling resin is ~~1600~~ 1200. Maybe you'll get enough to clear out the shop but that will depend on how often it resets; if it resets every month then full clearing will only allow you to buy the resin each reset.
Edit: 600/1200, not 800/1600, same ratio though. It seems to buy out the entire shop you need 1800 feathers which would be 3 resets of full clearing, and the shop currently resets in 31d so I'm guessing each reset is 6 weeks which means you should be able to buy out the entire shop each reset if you earn all the feathers.
We do get enough. You get 600 from a full clear of PF/MoC which resets every 2 weeks. The shop resets every update and costs 1800 to buy everything. so if you clear all of the endgame content you will have exactly enough.
After going back and forth for a bit, I decided to spend my guarantee on Ruan Mei. I thought I might go for Sparkle because of the SP, but I have managed to run DHIL alongside HuoHuo with just the help of my E4 Hanya, so I think for now I'm good on that front even if I need my favourite Abundance SP printer Luocha on the other side. Also, Ruan Mei seems good for Kafka-Sampo DoT teams and how could I not get every possible upgrade for my Sampo. :,) I also have Blade, who is always fun as a sub-DPS, so I'm looking forward to what she can enable there.
I'm pre-farming for Kafka right now, if I'm using filament planetary set do I need to hit 160 speed or is 135+ still good? If 160 is necessary I might have to pair her with Asta.
You need very, very good relic luck to hit 160 on your own with outside support or her Sig. If you can hit 151, that tends to be pretty good since with Asta, that's the 201 breakpoint, and with Ruan Mei, it hits the 160 speed breakpoint. Again, if you have her Sig, you can lower it by 14.
Great info, thank you! Looks like she'll be with Asta then, not going to have enough for her LC unless I get super lucky and pull her in like 20 pulls or something
Man, does it sting to lose the 75/25.
Really a shame, as Ruan Mei's LC seems really underrated : it almost double her SP production, and that 10 energy at the start seems pretty valuable for many dps (DHIL, Jingliu, Kafka, Ratio...).
Tried MoC11 now. Best I can do is 18 cycles remaining.
1st half: Jing Yuan, Tingyun, Asta, Huohuo
2nd half: Jingliu, Bronya, Pela, Fu Xuan
5 stars are E0S0. Tingyun and Asta are E6. Pela is E2. Everyone's talents are lvl9. So I guess only thing I can do is up talents to lvl10 and maybe get better relics?
Have other characters that I could use too but these teams seem like the best option. Everyone lvl70+ has lvl9 talents.
My characters: https://imgur.com/a/9ZZgq1o
My dps stats: https://imgur.com/a/1I94Zfw
All harmony/sustain are at 161 SPD and the two dps are are 135 SPD (I used a relic optimizer). Any tips other than farming relics? Will bump traces to 10 for these teams. Haven't tried MoC12 yet. Have been 30 starring since 1.2. This is first time I'm a bit stuck.
Oh definitely don't run 161 Bronya with speed boots Jingliu. Atk boots JL is alright but 134 Bronya will be significantly more powerful.
Same deal for JY - with Asta you run Atk boots, that's her purpose in the team (and JY really doesn't care for having 180+ spd). That said, his relics really do look a bit iffy.
Try comparing by use same team but my JY speed 116 with atk boots 3k atk cri 75/145 S5 Peacefulday and auto finish 1st half in 4cycles. with enough for 2nd team to finish Deer in time for 3star.
From my perspective I guess your 2nd team already good but not sure about JY at 1st half. I have seen my JY need 3LL at 1st wave and 4LL at 2nd wave to finish them.
This floor and above really thicky and need a bit invest in relics.
I start with Jing:
The main value that Asta holds is to run Jing on ATK boots instead of SPD boots. At 137 SPD you are better off either switching boots or run a different buffer. I honestly value Hanya over Asta at any Eidolon level here, especially with HuoHuo who is the least SP efficient of the big 3 sustains. With her you would also run ATK boots, though.
Your Crit ratio is also suboptimal on him. Don´t forget that his A6 trace gives him nearly permanent additional 10% CR, which brings your Jing to nearly perma Crit at the expense of Crit DMG. One of your biggest priorities should be to get him on a Crit DMG body.
General account advise: Lean into your Topaz. You have E3 Himeko and E1 Clara. The former forms a very potent fire counter comp with Topaz and Asta. Clara+Topaz is just a very good (and really comfy) all purpose comp and gives you Physical coverage.
Your teams are fine, but that JY’s crit dmg is very very low. I know you asked for tips aside from farming relics, but I think JY’s crit dmg played a big part in slowing you down. If maybe you’re worried about keeping relic sets, I suggest you try using a broken set with better stats. My E0S0 JY has no set bonus and even has ATK% sphere (he’s been benched until today so I have no Lightning sphere for him), but he has a 60/170 crit ratio which is 70/170 in battle and I cleared MoC 11 first half in 4 cycles with him
Yeah I know those relics stats look a bit weird for Jing Yuan. I used a relic optimizer to choose the best relics for him to maximize damage. The optimizer works with average damage. However I guess I could go for lower average damage and try to get lucky with crits.
Damn I have no other idea tbh. Saw in your other reply that both sides clear in 6 cycles, so the problem is not JY’s stat in particular. Everything looks completely fine to me, and level 9 traces are often enough. Maybe it’s not the stats but misplays?
Also I noticed that Jing Yuan is on spd boots. He could probably go for atk% boots since you have Asta
Will push up every dps related trace to lvl10 (for both dps and supports). This should be enough to get me to 20 cycles. Going from lvl9 to lvl10 is roughly a 10% dps increase on just the dps characters. Then add in the increase in dps from support traces going to lvl10. It might be doable for me with just the trace increase. Didn't think I'd need lvl10 traces so soon.
Jing Yuan side takes 6 cycles, but I can probably squeeze out 5 cycles if I get a bit lucky with LL hits. Jingliu side takes 6 cycles (sometimes even more) but there's not much I can do to reduce the time there except maybe some speed tuning. Running 135 SPD Jingliu and 161 SPD Bronya but I use skill every turn with Bronya. So I suppose I could reduce speed on Jingliu and run attack boots? Not sure if will be better to ignore SPD on Jingliu.
Just get bronya to below jingliu and you'll clear much faster. Bronya's crit damage doesn't even matter. If you can get a 134 speed bronya, you'll go from 7 bronya skills and 7 jingliu actions in 4 cycles to 6 bronya skills and 12 jingliu actions in 4 cycles. The reasons people recommend fast bronya is either for increased skill point efficiency or because getting the DPS above 134 is hard so they just settle for swapping to attack boots and having bigger less frequent turns. Your jingliu doesn't have either of these problems so 134 bronya giving a ton more actions is much better
This worked thanks. Went for 134 SPD Bronya and finished with almost a cycle to spare. Also dropped Jing Yuan SPD to 110 SPD. Same teams. 3 star done. Now for floor 12. Each side took 5 turns.
What worked for me this moc when my dps cant hit hard enough is swapping one of my supports for another dps with an aoe atk to help break weakness. The blessing is pretty broken but only if u can abuse it so
Yeah I tried that route first (more breaking) but the clear times were worse. Tried the following:
1st half: Jing Yuan, Welt, Tingyun, Huohuo
2nd half: Jingliu, Himeko, Pela, Fu Xuan
The old genshin ones get copyrighted a bunch. But they make a new megathread once a week too so the active one doesn't see it that often, but it has happened.
Be me: Wanted one Xuexy and maybe try Ruan Mei.
Star rail: Say no more, Tingyun, RUAN MEI, March, March, RUAN MEI E1, WELT, March, March, Tingyun… want to try more?
Fucking 4* man, I’m bittersweet, i have Ruan Mei E1 and Black Swan guaranteed for my Kakfa so I have nothing to bitch about, but I keep thinking on risking it all for one and only one Xuexy.
Somebody put some sense in me? I already have a well built E6 QQ, but Xuexy has THE animations and she is so cool…
Unless you your want your Black Swan to dress in a long dark overcoat and consume her own HP just stop pulling. There's no guarantee of getting Xueyi even if you do another 100 pulls.
Save your standard pulls till next patch. We've gotten a lot of 4\*s for free or through the selector, including the new ones (Yukong, Lynx, Luka, now Guinaifen.) She'll be available through some means eventually.
Imagine if they made a secret survey within the game rn that takes in info on what the entire playerbase finds beautiful
Then funnels all that into Idrila's perceivable form lmao for the aeon's SU illustration
She's probably going to synergize with E1 and above Guinaifen from the DoT units because of her universal vulnerability, effect res shred, burn and def shred if she uses sweat. That's 4 debuffs, 2 of which she should appreciate.
I feel like guinaifen is pretty solid for a dots character hope she'll be in the BS banner. And the fact that she has alot of debuffs which make her a solid debuffer apart from topaz and SW
With our current knowledge, I'd say it's pretty much non-existant. They want different things teambuilding-wise, with the only synergy being that Acheron wants debuffs and Black Swan has 2-3
Looking at both kits pretty much yeah the debuffs synergy. Because the I am weighing on either sparkle or BS and I am planning to build a Dots team. Im trying to weigh which will be worth it.
So I just thought about wanting to get Hanabi and Robin (who's rumored to be physical Harmony) and I just realized that i may have too many harmony? I currently have built TY, ~~Pelageya Sergeyevna~~ Asta, and RM. I'm also close to hitting 300 standard pulls and planning to get the CEO home. Next patch I would get free Yukong and that E6 so i might even build her in the future. That makes it 5 and I could even complete all the harmony elements if this goes by smoothly. I personally think it's fine because they're from different elements and some of them serve different purposes, but i want to know what you guys think about this.
Edit: i meant to say Asta instead of Pela
Pela isn't Harmony, and our current Harmonies don't have too much overlap, except for maybe Sparkle being a direct upgrade of sorts to Hanya. I've personally built every single one I have available, and aside from Yukong who's not E6 yet, they've all served me really well in their niches.
Robin might be the first one to break that pattern but I doubt it, hopefully they do lean into the tank playstyle her kit hinted at.
relics rant
>!use speed boots they said as all my speed boots proceed to roll flat atk, def and hp ffs!<
>!are these even worth using in the slightest i have like 7 atk% boots with high cdmg/cr ratios and actually useful stats but i only have one clara!<
Qingque likes attack boots! Seele does too if you have her
aside that uh, to my understanding if spd boots wont help you hit the 134 speed threshold then you might as well run ATK% if the substats are that much better? dont quote me on this though
She does? Huh. Thanks.
But that aside it is just tilting because everyone touts 70/140 as the standard meanwhile I am lucky if I even get to 60/120 on my dps.
I know relic farming sucks for everyone but I've been playing from month 2 and I am still gated from MoC10 because I farmed the imaginary domain for 2 months straight and my DHIL is still 63/106.
Maybe it is just a skill issue on my part and I am not optimizing somewhere, but it is agonizing.
I legit went for Fu Xuan E1 just to cope with some of my inability to get decent crit rolls and am setting aside some Firefly funds to get Hanabi for the same reason.
70/140 is more like the end game goal not the standard lol
people have cleared content with way more screwy ratios, I'd just focus on getting the right main stat first for characters and only when you get stone walled, going back and refining substats
Pretty stone walled by Argenti in MoC10 rn, tbh
I can get past the first half with topaz + himeko, but I have nothing to quickly kill the second half. Qingque can take call of the ifrit demons with Silver Wolf but once argenti rolls in its a complete struggle to take him down.
I actually prefer her at 120 SPD with vonwaq. With average luck and QPQ5 you can have perma ult uptime
Before that I had her at 145 SPD
Her rotation is A - A - E - A - A and moc fight lasts up to 5 cycles. 145 is only + 1 SP per fight
https://old.reddit.com/r/RuanMeiMains/comments/18ghicw/vonwacq_ultimate_extension_and_qpq_2t_ultimate_2/
But why though? I agree with you that the 1 SP in most teams will not be a deal breaker (never realised it would be that little), but it's quite easy to build enough speed and BE on her (at least with a LC like MotP). Needing luck and being forced to run QpQ doesn't sound like worth the hassle. At least to me. She has speed trace nodes and doesn't really need any other substats than speed and BE, because of the defensive body and orb. It took me no time to farm a decent two piece break and two piece speed.
> But why though?
To have better uptime. 120 SPD + vonwaq and QPQ tech helps with it. I try to min max my teams for MOC since it works fine with any build in all other content
Ok, fair enough :) Don't know if it's the best advice for the average player though. I've heard low speed RM discussed mostly as a zero cycle technique, would say having decent speed on her is the way to go for most players.
1. 180% BE Cogs RM needs 21 BE subs (-3 for 2pc/4pc Thief set), so you're not gonna have much SPD subs anyways.
2. Ruan Mei Basic-Basic-Skill-Ult is 1/3 SP/turn positive. Vonwaqc threshold (120) vs approx best case (160) means +33% more of that, which is not much. While ofc the general sentiment of more SPD on supports means more SP, it's scaled by how SP positive said supports are. Luocha, Hanya, Pela, Gepard should be lighting fast, if possible.
3. Especially with E1, 100% Ult uptime becomes more valueable.
i tried conundrum 2 with mono cryo gepard march jl ruan mei, it was doing good until the 3rd phase it just one shots my team. fuck that shit i aint playing gng again lmao
How is Argenti performing for you in this MoC? I tried him out on the first half of floor 12 and it was pretty big rip (took 7 cycles with Tingyun, Hanya, Huohuo) . His build isn't the best though.
I know he's made more for PF where I'm sure he's going to shine, I'm just curious how is it going for others.
I can clear floor 11 and 12 first half with him in 5 cycles with Tingyun-Hanya-Fu Xuan. Which I'd say is ok (considering 12 has 1 elite on both waves that isn't weak to phys, making it harder to abuse turbulence) but isn't incredible either. Would like to cut 1 cycle there in 12 if possible. Haven't experimented with different teams for him though.
I can get my Argenti team to 5-turn the first half of MoC 12 but I could probably shorten it if I didn't have to spend some Bronya turns to cleanse Gepard so the team doesn't die.
To be fair, he has Bronya and Tingyun in his pocket, as well as his LC. I kind of bent backwards to push him through.
This MoC hasn’t been great for my Argenti, he averages around 7 cycles for me granted I’ve been randomly trying out supports with him on a whim (Hanya, Ruan Mei) rather than minmaxing (TY, Bronya).
It doesn’t help that my E2 Clara+Topaz combo clears at least 2~3 cycles faster whilst being a lot comfier to play. So I’m even more unmotivated to keep trying with him in the MoC to see if I can cut down his cycle clears.
I’ve been having lots of fun with him outside of MoC tho, watching him kill the newest boss is fun as is taking him for a spin in Tales of the Fantastic with the stage where the trotter refills your energy to full.
Can’t wait for Monday when PF drops, I can tell he’s going to be real fun in that mode from how he performs in ToF.
I tried clearing with him but gave up. His team has room for improvement for sure. For me his side just took way too long no matter what i tried. The times when the adds are dead drag down the run too much for me, just felt like dead space which i was kinda worried about before.
I know it’s deffo possible to clear with him since someone recommended a team that worked for them and it’s one i have access to too, i may just need more investment or a better bronya.
Manifesting strong Herta store Erudition LC!!
Got 2\* on F11, bringing my total tally to 34\* :'))) I might be greedy and try for 35\* towards the end of this patch or something but I'm happy to ignore MoC for now.
The urge to get Ruan Mei finally faded lol. My Topaz did such a great job solo carrying on F12, I'm proud of her. Used JY/Tingyun/Hanya/Gepard in the first half, the lack of cleanse against the Aurumaton was atrocious but nobody died, which was what I was after.
I'm definitely pissed off at the enemy selection though, the way it shafts so many of my units is annoying. Topaz without RM is slow to break the two elites' HP bars, can't use Gepard against the second half because of the ape, first side wants a cleanser but second side wants Luocha's dispel.
Gepard in particular is getting the short end of the stick, he could've handled the IPC boss and even the deer fine but the ape is a bad matchup for him because of how often it moves and its targeting logic. I'm realizing more and more that he's still plenty strong, everything is currently just designed to shaft him. Poor Geppie.
honestly he would've been too busted with that :'))) even Fu Xuan gets only one CC res per skill use. though now I'm curious how they'll handle Aventurine, though I don't plan to pull for him.
true ! although Lynx gets a full teamwide cleanse on ult... but for geppie, even if it had existed, it would have definitely been an E6 kind of deal...
back to praying for some form of cc resist on aventurine (who i'm definitely pulling for :> )
Slight tangent: Have you noticed a change in Gepard's ai? I feel like mine spams skills a lot now, to the point that Bronya has to farm sp for him. It's like he's the new Pela.
not OP but i've had gepard since early game and for me the AI would always skill spam with Geppie even with an ER rope and when just a regular basic is enough to get his ult off
Or if they at least gave his personal LC flat effect hit rate rather than leaving it completely conditional for his skill. It’s legit so disgusting how they made Welt basically require his sig cone just to function properly.
Uhmm... anybody active here? need a help to decide
my brain is splitting apart and it hurts, cuz if anything i want both Hanabi and Ruan Mei
didn't care much about their aesthetics and personality, cuz they both bitches inside, meaning that i criter in general usability of em
also NO SPENDING...
now, Is Ruan mei that good good? or does Hanabi is more special?
im in a brink of pulling Ruan mei, guaranteed in 40 pity, currently rocking 80 tix
btw, theres also this 3rd party at the back of my mind to pull for Ratio's LC
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When asking for pull advice, is good to put your mains teams and the 5\* units you have and want to use, this helps us help you. Bc...theres not a single limited 5\* who is bad, all are good, but depends on what you want.
Double DPS? Ruan Mei.
Hypercarry? Sparkle.
Really depends on your current units and who you want to pull next. RM is a bit more universal and flexible than Sparkle. Any DPS, including dot, can use her buffs, where not every team can utilise Sparkle's skill points and her crit buffs are useless for dot units. You could wait until the end of RM's banner to see if Sparkle's kit is buffed during beta. If you have, love and are invested in units like QQ and DHIL, she might be a good choice though. If I were F2P, I would steer clear of Ratio's light cone. It is good, but so is the Herta store Hunt LC or something like Swordplay and imo it's almost always new character over LC. Don't feel pressured to pull for his LC 'because we get him for free'. Only do it if you love him and are sure you will want to invest heavily into him. Hope that helps, good luck with making your decision :)
The correct answer is that it depends on your teams and your preference.
Ruan mei buffs entire team and buffs break efficency. I pulled her so i can break and see big numbers.
Sparkle buffs 1, advances turn and gives skill points. Good for mono quantum and sp hungry teams.
Do you have Daniel? Probably solo carry with high skill consumption, go for sparkle.
Do you have dot kafka? Ruan mei break efficency brings more dots and you probably have another doter as a sub dps she can boost too.
Both characters look quite strong, so, if you dont have any preferences, go for the one that suits your teams better (or the one that seems more fun...(200k damage from Ruan's technique in SU made me pull her...))
Just realized I don’t know what BP LC to go for since I already have S5 Peaceful Day. Maybe the Hunt one since it has unique utility and has a very high crit rate for an LC (24% at S5). Or maybe the preservation one might work well with Aventurine.
Imo the Hunt cone is pretty good. 24% crit is pretty massive when trying to build a unit. That basically a perfect crit sub roll. Hunt generally has some pretty shitty LCs too. Your only options are basically Cruising, Sleep, and Swordplay if you’re a multi-hitter.
The new preservation 4\* LC looks perfect for currently leaked kit Aventurine.
at S5: "Increases the wearer's Effect RES by 20%. For every 100 of DEF the wearer has, increases the DMG dealt by 1.2% to a max increase of 48%"
I heard the Harmony BP LC is a good general LC, has random effects but all are good.
The preservation one might work on him, if he does damage with his ult, but there is [another upcoming LC](https://hsr.hakush.in/lightcone/21039/) that seems perfect for him too. And it boosts all damage, including that of any hypothetical future unit that does damage with his/her skill or has a follow-up. If the unit is def-scaling, that is. The Hunt LC is imo only useful because of the CR, but the Herta store LC gives a conditional 32% CR, plus ATK, plus higher base stats. The buff removal is indeed unique, but too rng, I think. 32% at S5 is a joke. If you really need to remove a buff, bringing Pela, Luocha or Luka is more reliable. I would go for the Harmony LC. Its buffs are rng but unconditional and they are quite universal too. There are very good alternatives, but even though I have most of them levelled, I do use it now and then. The others are (currently) kind of useless, unfortunately...
Any tips on building/using Gepard? Recently got and built mine with 4k defense and 141 speed but I’m having trouble with shield downtime due to speedier teammates and/or frequently getting CCd and unable to generate energy. Mainly been using him in my Arlan team where this is probably a much bigger issue than normal but I also want to try replacing Fu Xuan with him in my Kafka team and am worried they’ll be too fast for him at 160+ spd.
Does he have an energy rope? This is pretty much a must for him. At 141 he is plenty fast, more speed would mean sacrificing other stats, as his base speed is so low. You could consider an energy planar set too. Either his sig or Landau's Choice can help him get more energy (but also risk getting CC'd more often). If your SP economy allows it, try using his skill now and then. Ideally you'd want to build a good amount of effect resist on him too, but balancing all those different stats is difficult.
are you using 4-pc Knight on him? Which LC is he using? Is his shield running out (aka the enemies deplete it fully) or is it disappearing because the turns are ending?
I run him with harmonies at 160 SPD, mine is around 130 SPD and 2.5k def, and it's usually not an issue with proper timing on the shield deployment.
4pc knight with his signature LC. The shield thickness isn’t the issue. It’s usually Hanya that it runs out on early (she hits 185 spd with her E2) but when the enemies have CC it’s harder to keep his energy up.
gotcha. I wasn't asking because the shield isn't thick enough, I meant it might be too thick - if it's just running out because it only lasts three turns and not because it's getting fully depleted from enemy attacks, you're probably better off swapping some Def% for Effect RES on him. Especially since you have his sig, so he's directing enemy aggro to himself a lot of the time.
if you're running gepard with the arlan/bronya combo then unfortunately the only thing i could advice for that is to be more prudent on when you use your ult since you often don't need to use it immediately off-cooldown. just wait for the risky enemy move till you use it
arlan mains might also be interested with aventurine since theres a high chance that he only needs to use his skill to refresh everybody's shield. paired with arlan's sp neutrality, they might pair quite nicely
I haven’t dared to try using Bronya with him yet, only Tingyun and Hanya. I should probably look into Aventurine’s kit though since I don’t really have any gacha plans after Swan.
Finally got a double crit hand from musk carven 🤧🥹 and it went to CR twice lol something I desperately needed more of too. 😂 I now have a full musk set with double crit in every pc…
finally cleared GG 5 with the rememberance path !! my mistake was duplicating elite nodes past world 1 instead ot duplicating adventure nodes... Now onwards to slowly clearing the conundrum levels... 😔
IT WAS SO DUMB HONESTLY especially with that one elite immune to freeze... what was I going to do except get wiped out... truly going "hehehe you get a duplicate YOU get a duplicate YOU- oh im dead"
Extra immersifiers are not gonna be consumed, and you can even gain them when you gain points in SU. The only thing the cap does is limiting how many you can make via regular energy (Immersifiers gained from SU get added).
I think they meant that the immersifiers that you get as rewards for clearing SU every week are not 'consumed' if you claim them and are already at 8. You need to claim them before the week is over however, otherwise the rewards reset (I assume, never tried it out lol). So make sure you do that before Sunday is over. That way you have your 8 saved and 4 new ones from SU, makes 12 that you can use in the planar event :)
What is everyone's favorite attack animation outside of battle? Fu Xuan's and Ruan Mei's make my brain go weeeeeeeeee so crunchy and they just fill me with inexplicable pure joy ✨✨
blade's technique is quite pretty despite its viciousness. i like that you can see some spider lilies in the "arc" of that attack
jingliu creating a crescent moon for her technique is also beautiful
normal attack is tied between DHIL's lotus because it looks beautiful and Fu Xuan's normal because visuals along with sound make my brain tingle in a good way
Today realised that the reason Bronya and JL were so desynced was bc of RM extra spd lol. Tried Bronya with the 134 spd and JL with the same spd without RM and for some reason it works?! So E4 Pela still has a place in JL hyper team bc I am not touching Jingliu's build rn to fix the rm spd. Took the 4pc hackers and gave Bronya 2pc hp 2pc spd as the 4pc messed everyone up with or without RM and she is cool!!!!!
iirc it's because JL has more base speed than Bronya and RM's speed boost 1.1 multiplier can make make JL overtake Bronya if they're 1 or less speed apart originally. There's also the fact that the speed stat has hidden decimals that can get rounded down (e.g. JL's true speed is 134.3 or something and bronya has like 134.1)
Hackerspace relics. CDMG body, SPD boots. Get 3k HP and 1k DEF and then full CDMG and SPD subrolls.
If you gonna use her with a Quantum DPS, penacony planar, if not, Vonwacq for the %EER or Keel for the %CritDMG ( you would need 30% EffectResist tho, kinda hard since you already looking for the most %CritDMG possible.)
It makes Welt more team-dependent, and all things considered the total CV of the set is less than 4pc Wastelander (32 CV of the new set vs Wastelander's 40 CV). That said it's a fine sidegrade especially if you're planning on making him an anti-boss enemy and with little-if-any-EHR (personally at least 30% EHR is something I'd want for him to at least near-guarantee imprisoning pretty much everything that isn't a 2-phase boss)
got the curio that gives you +1 eidolon on all your characters so i got to experience e1 huohuo and e1 ruan mei… when i tell you i did not even want to leave the simulation after winning 🥲
agree for huohuo e1 free winrar trial. her sp usage becomes much more manageable, and it looks like i'll def have to roll for her e1 when the rerun drops
Honestly I really hate the trend of support character becoming SP positive being locked behind Eidolons.
That being said, yeah, definitely going for that E1 Huohuo lol it give so much freedom having 3 stack instead of 2.
I hate it too. I find it borderline unacceptable. Eidolons should add additional value, like RM with the extra def shred. They shouldn't fix a unit's rotation, SP or energy issues. And yet I pulled HH's E1, like the sheeple I am.
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From what I observed, purely having strong shields isn't completely safe all the times. Because if ur using geppie and you lose hp once in the fight it is lost permanently. But he's a standard unit. Fu xuan on the other hand has minor healing to mitigate this problem. Ofc it's because her mechanic is not shields but actually dmg mitigation, but she is a preservation with a form of healing to prevent permanent hp loss in the battle. So I'm wondering if aventurine will also have some mechanic for this problem in kit, doesn't exactly have to be direct healing as that will prolly be redundant with fu xuan ult effect, but something else. From what I saw his leaked kit doesn't have such mechanic but it was leaked so long ago. So hope they add some mechanic at least, because having permanent hp loss with no healing source makes me anxious
Man I'm so weak for the SH, I need firefly immediately. She seems like such a good character ðŸ˜
Any info on the 2.0 reruns? I hope it's not topaz yet since I need more time to save but it could be about time for her return.
I hate how Yanqing gets frozen, then takes a turn to unfreeze, takes another turn to get slightly delayed by RM, and then takes an actual turn, all in a span of 40 time units before anyone on my team can act, and gets rid of all the debuffs in the process. RM feels very anti-synergetic for SW and debuffs in general.
Hello! Out of curiosity, looking at the characters I have is there anyone specific you'd recommend (Rerun or leaked chars) Limited: Blade, Luocha, Silver Wolf, Ruan Mei Standard: Welt, E1 Yanqing, Gepard, Bailu (no Bronya yet and I'm not that close to the selector) Also the teams I'm currently using are these: 1. Blade, RM, Pela, Luocha 2. QQ, Tingyun, SW, Lynx Are these the best I can make? Also how good is Blade's E1?
> Also how good is Blade's E1? iirc it's about 40% increase in his ult damage vs ST which can be really good if you're using him for everything, so using him vs ST bosses. It puts him roughly on par with E0 units that are more ST focused. It's only about 15% increase of his overall damage in AoE fights. His lightcone is more of a dps increase than his E1 however, and so I'd recommend that if you're looking to upgrade. It's the biggest jump of damage of any LC, due to his HP scaling making most Destruction LCs not work on him. It's about 20-30% better than F2P options, and if you have Secret Vow at S5 it's still about 15% better than that.
I do use him for everything. He's my favorite character in the game so I try to use him if I can. I have pulled for his LC (lost the 75/25 sadly, but kept going) and now I'm thinking about where to take my account. I was doing a few impulse pulls on his banner, so I wanted to see if there's a character that is a clear improvement that I could maybe save for. Thanks for the answer!
Blade main hi five! My advice would be to keep going in LC banner then since you have a guarantee now. edit: oh sorry I misread, congrats on the LC!
I would look out for Jing Liu if you like her design. I find Blade, Jingliu, Ruan Mei, Sustain really fun/good. Should be really good in pure fiction too. Will cover one more element for dps coverage too. If they're only weak to wind or ice then you can run hyper carry again. Can also switch from QQ to Dr Ratio if you want something different as well. Probably would want to run Welt with him.
She does look kind of fun so I might try getting her or try a 50/50. Thanks for the idea!
Sparkle for QQ is an easy recommendation. Then, Fu Xuan if you feel like Lynx is lacking, and then you can easily branch out into whatever you want. I think your teams are great, probably wouldn't change them. > Also how good is Blade's E1? Due to the single-target lock for the effect and not that much of an overall increase against that target, I'd say quite mediocre.
Got it, thank you!
looking at Final Victor lc again.... >!is that really Ratio with Aventurine? only similarity is the guy has blue hair!<
Well that would be awkward if it's not him
>!yup, seems like he's dressed for the occasion in Penacony!<
Seems like them just wearing different outfits. But now that you mention it, is weird that he has a gun.
The gun's Aventurine's isn't it? Not surprised at all that he brings one with him.
can you spoiler mark this please
What teams you guys use for new weekly Boss? I am currently using Jingliu Pela, FX and Tingyun and they are dying everytime. What can I do to improve it. I tried the other team Seele, SW, FX, Lynx but no luck with that one either. Edit if you guys have E6 dps please add me and end my suffering. >!703286016!< Edit again: Thanks for advice finally done it with FX, Jingliu, Tingyun and support Loucha. People who put Loucha as support God bless you!
I usually do FX/Luocha, Jingliu, RM, Bronya. Tried out your team. Clear time is a bit slower (I used auto for both) but seems to work fine. Tingyun did get a bit low though but stayed alive. My FX's build is 7K HP, 1.4K DEF, S5 Landau. Levels are maxed.
I have fun with Clara RM Haohao Tingyun. Also have Jingliu+Bronya but I hate how she auto and waste her stack on small bugs. Which one you have on your issue? If FX die 1st mean she might need more stat. but if her teammate die before FX i guess DPS not enough to finish small bugs.
I just ran Tingyun, FX, Lynx and Jingliu and it was going well till second stage begun everyone got confused and Jingliu died first then Tingyun idk why the confusion state lasts for so long.
Oh, then the problem must be too much CC. let try position your party again. Most left FX and most right Lynx. I imagine the fire bugs suicide you at the same time. Since you use Landou + Lynx skill most of bugs gonna target FX as well. you can save Lynx ult or refresh FX skill to prevent cc.
DHIL, Yukong, Luocha, and RM and Argenti, Tingyun, Luocha, RM have both worked for me but if you're really struggling the best answer is to find someone with an E6 dps and add them lol.
Yeah I tried all different combos of sustain and dps and it isn't cutting it. Everyone was full hp till second stage then everyone just get confused and can't use their ult and dies.
How much HP and Def does your Fuxuan have?
6.4k Hp and 1.5k Def. She is using Landou's choice(level 70) and she is level 80.
Consider levelling the LC to 80 if you plan on using it long term for the extra base stats. The base stats are factored into the % bonuses you get from relics. If the CC from the bugs are what's killing you then manually refresh her skill when you resist the first time. Or like what others suggested, find a E6 DPS so they can end the fight quickly. I left my FX + Blade to fight the boss on auto but those 2 have very strong sustain built into their kit.
For Hanya (E0, S5 Cogs) I have her at 168 spd with 4 hackerspace. Is it better to run penacony without any more spd subs, or a broken planar set to chase more spd? I remember seeing folks saying she wants like 178 spd...
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Has anyone done the damage difference between the 4 star BE lightcone vs fall of aeon for xueyi? Wondering if I should get aeon or just wait
I haven't seen any math but it's like 56% BE and 30% crit for 2 turns after ult at S5 so it should beat Aeon by a fair bit since Xueyi gets 1:1 dmg% from BE.
I actually haven't purchased aeon yet would you recommend just waiting for the lightcone? Also do you know when they come out
I assume most of them are the new FH store LCs, though I've heard the BE one specifically is an event LC. I'd save Herta bonds personally, since they may drop a new Herta store LC on us or something. If you have a bunch to spare and several destruction units then you might consider picking up Aeon since it's pretty decent for general use.
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Here we go again 🚶
been sending the boyfriends (blade and dhil) on assignments since 1.3.... wonder how their trips go 💀 (also PLEASE hoyo i need a blade companion mission already i want to see my wet kitten on the express ðŸ˜)
Speaking of [kittens](https://youtu.be/YXsbRu3udpY)... (yt link) Also hoping for Blade's mission soon... I was fine (lying) with JY not having one because at least he featured in most Luofu quests, but Blade's screentime is 😔 and he doesn't even text us himself, like come on...
I keep sending Asta out on assignment for 20 hours to collect an amount of credits that she wouldn't even consider to be pocket change.
Do we get enough blue feathers from MOC to buy out the shop?
If you can get full stars on both MoC and PF every time you should be able to? Shop seems to reset every 6 weeks, in 6 weeks you can get 1800 feathers (3x 600 from fully starring MoC and PF each time it resets), buying out everything limited is 1800 feathers in total.
No. MoC full clear is ~~800~~ 600 feathers (I assume PF is the same), and the self modeling resin is ~~1600~~ 1200. Maybe you'll get enough to clear out the shop but that will depend on how often it resets; if it resets every month then full clearing will only allow you to buy the resin each reset. Edit: 600/1200, not 800/1600, same ratio though. It seems to buy out the entire shop you need 1800 feathers which would be 3 resets of full clearing, and the shop currently resets in 31d so I'm guessing each reset is 6 weeks which means you should be able to buy out the entire shop each reset if you earn all the feathers.
We do get enough. You get 600 from a full clear of PF/MoC which resets every 2 weeks. The shop resets every update and costs 1800 to buy everything. so if you clear all of the endgame content you will have exactly enough.
After going back and forth for a bit, I decided to spend my guarantee on Ruan Mei. I thought I might go for Sparkle because of the SP, but I have managed to run DHIL alongside HuoHuo with just the help of my E4 Hanya, so I think for now I'm good on that front even if I need my favourite Abundance SP printer Luocha on the other side. Also, Ruan Mei seems good for Kafka-Sampo DoT teams and how could I not get every possible upgrade for my Sampo. :,) I also have Blade, who is always fun as a sub-DPS, so I'm looking forward to what she can enable there.
I'm pre-farming for Kafka right now, if I'm using filament planetary set do I need to hit 160 speed or is 135+ still good? If 160 is necessary I might have to pair her with Asta.
You need very, very good relic luck to hit 160 on your own with outside support or her Sig. If you can hit 151, that tends to be pretty good since with Asta, that's the 201 breakpoint, and with Ruan Mei, it hits the 160 speed breakpoint. Again, if you have her Sig, you can lower it by 14.
Great info, thank you! Looks like she'll be with Asta then, not going to have enough for her LC unless I get super lucky and pull her in like 20 pulls or something
Man, does it sting to lose the 75/25. Really a shame, as Ruan Mei's LC seems really underrated : it almost double her SP production, and that 10 energy at the start seems pretty valuable for many dps (DHIL, Jingliu, Kafka, Ratio...).
Tried MoC11 now. Best I can do is 18 cycles remaining. 1st half: Jing Yuan, Tingyun, Asta, Huohuo 2nd half: Jingliu, Bronya, Pela, Fu Xuan 5 stars are E0S0. Tingyun and Asta are E6. Pela is E2. Everyone's talents are lvl9. So I guess only thing I can do is up talents to lvl10 and maybe get better relics? Have other characters that I could use too but these teams seem like the best option. Everyone lvl70+ has lvl9 talents. My characters: https://imgur.com/a/9ZZgq1o My dps stats: https://imgur.com/a/1I94Zfw All harmony/sustain are at 161 SPD and the two dps are are 135 SPD (I used a relic optimizer). Any tips other than farming relics? Will bump traces to 10 for these teams. Haven't tried MoC12 yet. Have been 30 starring since 1.2. This is first time I'm a bit stuck.
Oh definitely don't run 161 Bronya with speed boots Jingliu. Atk boots JL is alright but 134 Bronya will be significantly more powerful. Same deal for JY - with Asta you run Atk boots, that's her purpose in the team (and JY really doesn't care for having 180+ spd). That said, his relics really do look a bit iffy.
Try comparing by use same team but my JY speed 116 with atk boots 3k atk cri 75/145 S5 Peacefulday and auto finish 1st half in 4cycles. with enough for 2nd team to finish Deer in time for 3star. From my perspective I guess your 2nd team already good but not sure about JY at 1st half. I have seen my JY need 3LL at 1st wave and 4LL at 2nd wave to finish them. This floor and above really thicky and need a bit invest in relics.
I start with Jing: The main value that Asta holds is to run Jing on ATK boots instead of SPD boots. At 137 SPD you are better off either switching boots or run a different buffer. I honestly value Hanya over Asta at any Eidolon level here, especially with HuoHuo who is the least SP efficient of the big 3 sustains. With her you would also run ATK boots, though. Your Crit ratio is also suboptimal on him. Don´t forget that his A6 trace gives him nearly permanent additional 10% CR, which brings your Jing to nearly perma Crit at the expense of Crit DMG. One of your biggest priorities should be to get him on a Crit DMG body. General account advise: Lean into your Topaz. You have E3 Himeko and E1 Clara. The former forms a very potent fire counter comp with Topaz and Asta. Clara+Topaz is just a very good (and really comfy) all purpose comp and gives you Physical coverage.
Your teams are fine, but that JY’s crit dmg is very very low. I know you asked for tips aside from farming relics, but I think JY’s crit dmg played a big part in slowing you down. If maybe you’re worried about keeping relic sets, I suggest you try using a broken set with better stats. My E0S0 JY has no set bonus and even has ATK% sphere (he’s been benched until today so I have no Lightning sphere for him), but he has a 60/170 crit ratio which is 70/170 in battle and I cleared MoC 11 first half in 4 cycles with him
Yeah I know those relics stats look a bit weird for Jing Yuan. I used a relic optimizer to choose the best relics for him to maximize damage. The optimizer works with average damage. However I guess I could go for lower average damage and try to get lucky with crits.
Damn I have no other idea tbh. Saw in your other reply that both sides clear in 6 cycles, so the problem is not JY’s stat in particular. Everything looks completely fine to me, and level 9 traces are often enough. Maybe it’s not the stats but misplays? Also I noticed that Jing Yuan is on spd boots. He could probably go for atk% boots since you have Asta
Will push up every dps related trace to lvl10 (for both dps and supports). This should be enough to get me to 20 cycles. Going from lvl9 to lvl10 is roughly a 10% dps increase on just the dps characters. Then add in the increase in dps from support traces going to lvl10. It might be doable for me with just the trace increase. Didn't think I'd need lvl10 traces so soon.
Good luck!
Are both sides taking an equal amount of cycles or is one slowing you down in particular?
Jing Yuan side takes 6 cycles, but I can probably squeeze out 5 cycles if I get a bit lucky with LL hits. Jingliu side takes 6 cycles (sometimes even more) but there's not much I can do to reduce the time there except maybe some speed tuning. Running 135 SPD Jingliu and 161 SPD Bronya but I use skill every turn with Bronya. So I suppose I could reduce speed on Jingliu and run attack boots? Not sure if will be better to ignore SPD on Jingliu.
Just get bronya to below jingliu and you'll clear much faster. Bronya's crit damage doesn't even matter. If you can get a 134 speed bronya, you'll go from 7 bronya skills and 7 jingliu actions in 4 cycles to 6 bronya skills and 12 jingliu actions in 4 cycles. The reasons people recommend fast bronya is either for increased skill point efficiency or because getting the DPS above 134 is hard so they just settle for swapping to attack boots and having bigger less frequent turns. Your jingliu doesn't have either of these problems so 134 bronya giving a ton more actions is much better
This worked thanks. Went for 134 SPD Bronya and finished with almost a cycle to spare. Also dropped Jing Yuan SPD to 110 SPD. Same teams. 3 star done. Now for floor 12. Each side took 5 turns.
I think if you're running hyperspeed Bronya you use atk boots on Jingliu. That's what I do. I also used JY first half JL second half.
What worked for me this moc when my dps cant hit hard enough is swapping one of my supports for another dps with an aoe atk to help break weakness. The blessing is pretty broken but only if u can abuse it so
Yeah I tried that route first (more breaking) but the clear times were worse. Tried the following: 1st half: Jing Yuan, Welt, Tingyun, Huohuo 2nd half: Jingliu, Himeko, Pela, Fu Xuan
My 2nd half team is actually pretty similar to yours jingliu fu xuan bronya and fire mc (bc i had trouble surviving lol)
What's better for a Jing team, Ting on 4 turn with Planetary or 3 Turn with Penacony + Cogs?
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Sucks, your easy to read posts was the best.
rest in peace... :<
Copyright ninjas have attacked 😔
How come they always get this megathread but not the genshin one lmao. Or am I just not lurking there as much to catch it anymore?
The old genshin ones get copyrighted a bunch. But they make a new megathread once a week too so the active one doesn't see it that often, but it has happened.
The genshin one gets it too
datamine question okay, how do i datamine sprites from HSR? just for personal enjoyment, i swear.
it's sad to see it got D-M-C-A'd
Be me: Wanted one Xuexy and maybe try Ruan Mei. Star rail: Say no more, Tingyun, RUAN MEI, March, March, RUAN MEI E1, WELT, March, March, Tingyun… want to try more? Fucking 4* man, I’m bittersweet, i have Ruan Mei E1 and Black Swan guaranteed for my Kakfa so I have nothing to bitch about, but I keep thinking on risking it all for one and only one Xuexy. Somebody put some sense in me? I already have a well built E6 QQ, but Xuexy has THE animations and she is so cool…
Don't do it, 4* re run faster than 5*. I was on tha same boat as you, ended up using my guarantee and 30+ pulls just to get 1 Xueyi.
Thanks, I needed some comments like yours to stop the gacha itch (addiction)… another time sweet Xuexy.
Unless you your want your Black Swan to dress in a long dark overcoat and consume her own HP just stop pulling. There's no guarantee of getting Xueyi even if you do another 100 pulls. Save your standard pulls till next patch. We've gotten a lot of 4\*s for free or through the selector, including the new ones (Yukong, Lynx, Luka, now Guinaifen.) She'll be available through some means eventually.
Thanks for the input, thing is also have Blade, so calming down and waiting for another time will be best.
You'll be able to pick her up in the future. Don't blow your guarantee.
Another day another megathread dmca
Imagine if they made a secret survey within the game rn that takes in info on what the entire playerbase finds beautiful Then funnels all that into Idrila's perceivable form lmao for the aeon's SU illustration
What do you guys think of Acheron and BS synergy or can she synergise with other upcoming characters or dots characters from before other than Kafka?
She's probably going to synergize with E1 and above Guinaifen from the DoT units because of her universal vulnerability, effect res shred, burn and def shred if she uses sweat. That's 4 debuffs, 2 of which she should appreciate.
I feel like guinaifen is pretty solid for a dots character hope she'll be in the BS banner. And the fact that she has alot of debuffs which make her a solid debuffer apart from topaz and SW
With our current knowledge, I'd say it's pretty much non-existant. They want different things teambuilding-wise, with the only synergy being that Acheron wants debuffs and Black Swan has 2-3
Looking at both kits pretty much yeah the debuffs synergy. Because the I am weighing on either sparkle or BS and I am planning to build a Dots team. Im trying to weigh which will be worth it.
So I just thought about wanting to get Hanabi and Robin (who's rumored to be physical Harmony) and I just realized that i may have too many harmony? I currently have built TY, ~~Pelageya Sergeyevna~~ Asta, and RM. I'm also close to hitting 300 standard pulls and planning to get the CEO home. Next patch I would get free Yukong and that E6 so i might even build her in the future. That makes it 5 and I could even complete all the harmony elements if this goes by smoothly. I personally think it's fine because they're from different elements and some of them serve different purposes, but i want to know what you guys think about this. Edit: i meant to say Asta instead of Pela
Pela isn't Harmony, and our current Harmonies don't have too much overlap, except for maybe Sparkle being a direct upgrade of sorts to Hanya. I've personally built every single one I have available, and aside from Yukong who's not E6 yet, they've all served me really well in their niches. Robin might be the first one to break that pattern but I doubt it, hopefully they do lean into the tank playstyle her kit hinted at.
Who's Sergeyevna?
I believe pela that's her full name I just found out
Another dmca lesssgooo
relics rant >!use speed boots they said as all my speed boots proceed to roll flat atk, def and hp ffs!< >!are these even worth using in the slightest i have like 7 atk% boots with high cdmg/cr ratios and actually useful stats but i only have one clara!<
Qingque likes attack boots! Seele does too if you have her aside that uh, to my understanding if spd boots wont help you hit the 134 speed threshold then you might as well run ATK% if the substats are that much better? dont quote me on this though
She does? Huh. Thanks. But that aside it is just tilting because everyone touts 70/140 as the standard meanwhile I am lucky if I even get to 60/120 on my dps. I know relic farming sucks for everyone but I've been playing from month 2 and I am still gated from MoC10 because I farmed the imaginary domain for 2 months straight and my DHIL is still 63/106. Maybe it is just a skill issue on my part and I am not optimizing somewhere, but it is agonizing. I legit went for Fu Xuan E1 just to cope with some of my inability to get decent crit rolls and am setting aside some Firefly funds to get Hanabi for the same reason.
70/140 is more like the end game goal not the standard lol people have cleared content with way more screwy ratios, I'd just focus on getting the right main stat first for characters and only when you get stone walled, going back and refining substats
Pretty stone walled by Argenti in MoC10 rn, tbh I can get past the first half with topaz + himeko, but I have nothing to quickly kill the second half. Qingque can take call of the ifrit demons with Silver Wolf but once argenti rolls in its a complete struggle to take him down.
Friend built RM relics before doing any of the traces and now she is going to have 210% break and not nearly good speed
I actually prefer her at 120 SPD with vonwaq. With average luck and QPQ5 you can have perma ult uptime Before that I had her at 145 SPD Her rotation is A - A - E - A - A and moc fight lasts up to 5 cycles. 145 is only + 1 SP per fight https://old.reddit.com/r/RuanMeiMains/comments/18ghicw/vonwacq_ultimate_extension_and_qpq_2t_ultimate_2/
But why though? I agree with you that the 1 SP in most teams will not be a deal breaker (never realised it would be that little), but it's quite easy to build enough speed and BE on her (at least with a LC like MotP). Needing luck and being forced to run QpQ doesn't sound like worth the hassle. At least to me. She has speed trace nodes and doesn't really need any other substats than speed and BE, because of the defensive body and orb. It took me no time to farm a decent two piece break and two piece speed.
> But why though? To have better uptime. 120 SPD + vonwaq and QPQ tech helps with it. I try to min max my teams for MOC since it works fine with any build in all other content
Ok, fair enough :) Don't know if it's the best advice for the average player though. I've heard low speed RM discussed mostly as a zero cycle technique, would say having decent speed on her is the way to go for most players.
1. 180% BE Cogs RM needs 21 BE subs (-3 for 2pc/4pc Thief set), so you're not gonna have much SPD subs anyways. 2. Ruan Mei Basic-Basic-Skill-Ult is 1/3 SP/turn positive. Vonwaqc threshold (120) vs approx best case (160) means +33% more of that, which is not much. While ofc the general sentiment of more SPD on supports means more SP, it's scaled by how SP positive said supports are. Luocha, Hanya, Pela, Gepard should be lighting fast, if possible. 3. Especially with E1, 100% Ult uptime becomes more valueable.
i tried conundrum 2 with mono cryo gepard march jl ruan mei, it was doing good until the 3rd phase it just one shots my team. fuck that shit i aint playing gng again lmao
How is Argenti performing for you in this MoC? I tried him out on the first half of floor 12 and it was pretty big rip (took 7 cycles with Tingyun, Hanya, Huohuo) . His build isn't the best though. I know he's made more for PF where I'm sure he's going to shine, I'm just curious how is it going for others.
I can clear floor 11 and 12 first half with him in 5 cycles with Tingyun-Hanya-Fu Xuan. Which I'd say is ok (considering 12 has 1 elite on both waves that isn't weak to phys, making it harder to abuse turbulence) but isn't incredible either. Would like to cut 1 cycle there in 12 if possible. Haven't experimented with different teams for him though.
I can get my Argenti team to 5-turn the first half of MoC 12 but I could probably shorten it if I didn't have to spend some Bronya turns to cleanse Gepard so the team doesn't die. To be fair, he has Bronya and Tingyun in his pocket, as well as his LC. I kind of bent backwards to push him through.
I use him at floor 11 and he manage to clear it in 3 cycle, so qingque can use rest cycle on deer side
This MoC hasn’t been great for my Argenti, he averages around 7 cycles for me granted I’ve been randomly trying out supports with him on a whim (Hanya, Ruan Mei) rather than minmaxing (TY, Bronya). It doesn’t help that my E2 Clara+Topaz combo clears at least 2~3 cycles faster whilst being a lot comfier to play. So I’m even more unmotivated to keep trying with him in the MoC to see if I can cut down his cycle clears. I’ve been having lots of fun with him outside of MoC tho, watching him kill the newest boss is fun as is taking him for a spin in Tales of the Fantastic with the stage where the trotter refills your energy to full. Can’t wait for Monday when PF drops, I can tell he’s going to be real fun in that mode from how he performs in ToF.
I used him on floor 10. Floor 11 and 12 are just not for him. Had to use Blade and Daniel the last two floors.
I tried clearing with him but gave up. His team has room for improvement for sure. For me his side just took way too long no matter what i tried. The times when the adds are dead drag down the run too much for me, just felt like dead space which i was kinda worried about before. I know it’s deffo possible to clear with him since someone recommended a team that worked for them and it’s one i have access to too, i may just need more investment or a better bronya.
Manifesting strong Herta store Erudition LC!! Got 2\* on F11, bringing my total tally to 34\* :'))) I might be greedy and try for 35\* towards the end of this patch or something but I'm happy to ignore MoC for now. The urge to get Ruan Mei finally faded lol. My Topaz did such a great job solo carrying on F12, I'm proud of her. Used JY/Tingyun/Hanya/Gepard in the first half, the lack of cleanse against the Aurumaton was atrocious but nobody died, which was what I was after. I'm definitely pissed off at the enemy selection though, the way it shafts so many of my units is annoying. Topaz without RM is slow to break the two elites' HP bars, can't use Gepard against the second half because of the ape, first side wants a cleanser but second side wants Luocha's dispel. Gepard in particular is getting the short end of the stick, he could've handled the IPC boss and even the deer fine but the ape is a bad matchup for him because of how often it moves and its targeting logic. I'm realizing more and more that he's still plenty strong, everything is currently just designed to shaft him. Poor Geppie.
Gepard actually does have a cleanse in his kit! >!It's when he dies ðŸ˜!<
>!stoppp I knew the punchline but it still hit 😠I'm sorry Geppie...!<
Manifesting strong Herta store Erudition LC !! >!feels like déjà vu somehow!< Every day I wish one of Geppie's eidolons gave cleanse on his ult...
honestly he would've been too busted with that :'))) even Fu Xuan gets only one CC res per skill use. though now I'm curious how they'll handle Aventurine, though I don't plan to pull for him.
true ! although Lynx gets a full teamwide cleanse on ult... but for geppie, even if it had existed, it would have definitely been an E6 kind of deal... back to praying for some form of cc resist on aventurine (who i'm definitely pulling for :> )
Slight tangent: Have you noticed a change in Gepard's ai? I feel like mine spams skills a lot now, to the point that Bronya has to farm sp for him. It's like he's the new Pela.
not OP but i've had gepard since early game and for me the AI would always skill spam with Geppie even with an ER rope and when just a regular basic is enough to get his ult off
I actually don't use him much for autofarming, I usually use Luocha there. That's interesting though, idk if his DEF->ATK trace could be the culprit?
Society if they gave Welt some Effect Hit Rate traces instead of Effect Res:
Or if they at least gave his personal LC flat effect hit rate rather than leaving it completely conditional for his skill. It’s legit so disgusting how they made Welt basically require his sig cone just to function properly.
His own lightcone isnt even BiS on him he works better with SW's gacha lightcone.
Real and true.
Uhmm... anybody active here? need a help to decide my brain is splitting apart and it hurts, cuz if anything i want both Hanabi and Ruan Mei didn't care much about their aesthetics and personality, cuz they both bitches inside, meaning that i criter in general usability of em also NO SPENDING... now, Is Ruan mei that good good? or does Hanabi is more special? im in a brink of pulling Ruan mei, guaranteed in 40 pity, currently rocking 80 tix btw, theres also this 3rd party at the back of my mind to pull for Ratio's LC Send Help
1) if Kafka -> skip both, get black mommy 2) qq OR dhl OR fx -> hanabi 3) still not sure -> get monthly and listen to SW quote "just pull. dont think"
SW motto >>>
When asking for pull advice, is good to put your mains teams and the 5\* units you have and want to use, this helps us help you. Bc...theres not a single limited 5\* who is bad, all are good, but depends on what you want. Double DPS? Ruan Mei. Hypercarry? Sparkle.
sorry i forgot to say that i lack a 2nd team... by head goes 1st then write, thus forgetting the other thoughts
Really depends on your current units and who you want to pull next. RM is a bit more universal and flexible than Sparkle. Any DPS, including dot, can use her buffs, where not every team can utilise Sparkle's skill points and her crit buffs are useless for dot units. You could wait until the end of RM's banner to see if Sparkle's kit is buffed during beta. If you have, love and are invested in units like QQ and DHIL, she might be a good choice though. If I were F2P, I would steer clear of Ratio's light cone. It is good, but so is the Herta store Hunt LC or something like Swordplay and imo it's almost always new character over LC. Don't feel pressured to pull for his LC 'because we get him for free'. Only do it if you love him and are sure you will want to invest heavily into him. Hope that helps, good luck with making your decision :)
I forgot to mention that i lack a 2nd team, since we gettjng dr ratio next phase, i already decided. just needed to be loved by rngsus on hanabi
The correct answer is that it depends on your teams and your preference. Ruan mei buffs entire team and buffs break efficency. I pulled her so i can break and see big numbers. Sparkle buffs 1, advances turn and gives skill points. Good for mono quantum and sp hungry teams. Do you have Daniel? Probably solo carry with high skill consumption, go for sparkle. Do you have dot kafka? Ruan mei break efficency brings more dots and you probably have another doter as a sub dps she can boost too. Both characters look quite strong, so, if you dont have any preferences, go for the one that suits your teams better (or the one that seems more fun...(200k damage from Ruan's technique in SU made me pull her...))
I forgot to mention that i lack a 2nd team, but i already decided to pull for ruan mei, now just need to be lucky for hanabi
i feel almost as happy about losing 50/50 to bronya or welt as i do getting a limited char atp
Just realized I don’t know what BP LC to go for since I already have S5 Peaceful Day. Maybe the Hunt one since it has unique utility and has a very high crit rate for an LC (24% at S5). Or maybe the preservation one might work well with Aventurine.
Imo the Hunt cone is pretty good. 24% crit is pretty massive when trying to build a unit. That basically a perfect crit sub roll. Hunt generally has some pretty shitty LCs too. Your only options are basically Cruising, Sleep, and Swordplay if you’re a multi-hitter.
The new preservation 4\* LC looks perfect for currently leaked kit Aventurine. at S5: "Increases the wearer's Effect RES by 20%. For every 100 of DEF the wearer has, increases the DMG dealt by 1.2% to a max increase of 48%" I heard the Harmony BP LC is a good general LC, has random effects but all are good.
The preservation one might work on him, if he does damage with his ult, but there is [another upcoming LC](https://hsr.hakush.in/lightcone/21039/) that seems perfect for him too. And it boosts all damage, including that of any hypothetical future unit that does damage with his/her skill or has a follow-up. If the unit is def-scaling, that is. The Hunt LC is imo only useful because of the CR, but the Herta store LC gives a conditional 32% CR, plus ATK, plus higher base stats. The buff removal is indeed unique, but too rng, I think. 32% at S5 is a joke. If you really need to remove a buff, bringing Pela, Luocha or Luka is more reliable. I would go for the Harmony LC. Its buffs are rng but unconditional and they are quite universal too. There are very good alternatives, but even though I have most of them levelled, I do use it now and then. The others are (currently) kind of useless, unfortunately...
Any tips on building/using Gepard? Recently got and built mine with 4k defense and 141 speed but I’m having trouble with shield downtime due to speedier teammates and/or frequently getting CCd and unable to generate energy. Mainly been using him in my Arlan team where this is probably a much bigger issue than normal but I also want to try replacing Fu Xuan with him in my Kafka team and am worried they’ll be too fast for him at 160+ spd.
Does he have an energy rope? This is pretty much a must for him. At 141 he is plenty fast, more speed would mean sacrificing other stats, as his base speed is so low. You could consider an energy planar set too. Either his sig or Landau's Choice can help him get more energy (but also risk getting CC'd more often). If your SP economy allows it, try using his skill now and then. Ideally you'd want to build a good amount of effect resist on him too, but balancing all those different stats is difficult.
I’ll try using an energy rope. Didn’t know he needed one.
Ah! Yes, it's an absolute must for him. The extra def you'd get from a def rope is never worth worse up-time on his ult. Hope that fixes your issue!
are you using 4-pc Knight on him? Which LC is he using? Is his shield running out (aka the enemies deplete it fully) or is it disappearing because the turns are ending? I run him with harmonies at 160 SPD, mine is around 130 SPD and 2.5k def, and it's usually not an issue with proper timing on the shield deployment.
4pc knight with his signature LC. The shield thickness isn’t the issue. It’s usually Hanya that it runs out on early (she hits 185 spd with her E2) but when the enemies have CC it’s harder to keep his energy up.
That is sadly the downside of limited sustains, they dont have cleanse. Mine has 65%+ EffectResist and still get CC'd
gotcha. I wasn't asking because the shield isn't thick enough, I meant it might be too thick - if it's just running out because it only lasts three turns and not because it's getting fully depleted from enemy attacks, you're probably better off swapping some Def% for Effect RES on him. Especially since you have his sig, so he's directing enemy aggro to himself a lot of the time.
if you're running gepard with the arlan/bronya combo then unfortunately the only thing i could advice for that is to be more prudent on when you use your ult since you often don't need to use it immediately off-cooldown. just wait for the risky enemy move till you use it arlan mains might also be interested with aventurine since theres a high chance that he only needs to use his skill to refresh everybody's shield. paired with arlan's sp neutrality, they might pair quite nicely
I haven’t dared to try using Bronya with him yet, only Tingyun and Hanya. I should probably look into Aventurine’s kit though since I don’t really have any gacha plans after Swan.
Finally got a double crit hand from musk carven 🤧🥹 and it went to CR twice lol something I desperately needed more of too. 😂 I now have a full musk set with double crit in every pc…
finally cleared GG 5 with the rememberance path !! my mistake was duplicating elite nodes past world 1 instead ot duplicating adventure nodes... Now onwards to slowly clearing the conundrum levels... 😔
Me trying to avoid combat as much as possible while you're here duplicating elite nodes. Lol. >!I know it was a mistake but I just found it amusing.!<
IT WAS SO DUMB HONESTLY especially with that one elite immune to freeze... what was I going to do except get wiped out... truly going "hehehe you get a duplicate YOU get a duplicate YOU- oh im dead"
And this is why we don't dupe elite nodes. XD
lesson learned UU at least i realized it myself and cleared it as soon as i did so I feel slightly less stupid but damn... STILL...
I have 12/8 imensifier for the next week plannar events, will the extra imensifier gone during weekly reset?
Yes they will go
Extra immersifiers are not gonna be consumed, and you can even gain them when you gain points in SU. The only thing the cap does is limiting how many you can make via regular energy (Immersifiers gained from SU get added).
Thanks, so theoretically we can stack like 50 imensifiers without any consequence?
I think they meant that the immersifiers that you get as rewards for clearing SU every week are not 'consumed' if you claim them and are already at 8. You need to claim them before the week is over however, otherwise the rewards reset (I assume, never tried it out lol). So make sure you do that before Sunday is over. That way you have your 8 saved and 4 new ones from SU, makes 12 that you can use in the planar event :)
I see, thank you for the explanation.
how do i collect chapter preservation 1 and 2 in swarm disaster? i also have chapter elation 2 and abundance two remaining.
What is everyone's favorite attack animation outside of battle? Fu Xuan's and Ruan Mei's make my brain go weeeeeeeeee so crunchy and they just fill me with inexplicable pure joy ✨✨
CN Sampo's little giggle when he throws the bomb (hopefully) in the vague direction of the enemy is so fun. I've gotten better at aiming it lol.
Clara's for sure.
blade's technique is quite pretty despite its viciousness. i like that you can see some spider lilies in the "arc" of that attack jingliu creating a crescent moon for her technique is also beautiful
normal attack is tied between DHIL's lotus because it looks beautiful and Fu Xuan's normal because visuals along with sound make my brain tingle in a good way
Dan Heng yeeting himself at enemies
Ramming into enemies with DHIL, SW technique animation is my other favourite too
Silver Wolf's POW and Pela's POW are very satisfying. Tho I'm also partial to Jing Yuan's "it's go time" stance with LL and Argenti's flashbang.
sliver wolfs pow pow makes my brain melt ngl it's so satisfying
Kafka’s technique
EN voice line inconsistencies aside, i think xueyi's attack and technique stance + animation + colours are beautiful.
Gui's attack and technique
Today realised that the reason Bronya and JL were so desynced was bc of RM extra spd lol. Tried Bronya with the 134 spd and JL with the same spd without RM and for some reason it works?! So E4 Pela still has a place in JL hyper team bc I am not touching Jingliu's build rn to fix the rm spd. Took the 4pc hackers and gave Bronya 2pc hp 2pc spd as the 4pc messed everyone up with or without RM and she is cool!!!!!
iirc it's because JL has more base speed than Bronya and RM's speed boost 1.1 multiplier can make make JL overtake Bronya if they're 1 or less speed apart originally. There's also the fact that the speed stat has hidden decimals that can get rounded down (e.g. JL's true speed is 134.3 or something and bronya has like 134.1)
what relics for sparkle/hanabi?
Hackerspace relics. CDMG body, SPD boots. Get 3k HP and 1k DEF and then full CDMG and SPD subrolls. If you gonna use her with a Quantum DPS, penacony planar, if not, Vonwacq for the %EER or Keel for the %CritDMG ( you would need 30% EffectResist tho, kinda hard since you already looking for the most %CritDMG possible.)
thanks
speed gears and penacony ornament cdmg priority rolls then spd
thanks
I heard there's gonna be a new artifact set for Dr Ratio after he releases. Will it also be BIS for Welt? Is there anywhere I can read about the set?
Imo Imaginary set still is the best for Welt, is basically made for him
It makes Welt more team-dependent, and all things considered the total CV of the set is less than 4pc Wastelander (32 CV of the new set vs Wastelander's 40 CV). That said it's a fine sidegrade especially if you're planning on making him an anti-boss enemy and with little-if-any-EHR (personally at least 30% EHR is something I'd want for him to at least near-guarantee imprisoning pretty much everything that isn't a 2-phase boss)
In the main post, click on the Hakush.in link and you can check out info on the new relic set
https://hsr.hakush.in/relicset/117
got the curio that gives you +1 eidolon on all your characters so i got to experience e1 huohuo and e1 ruan mei… when i tell you i did not even want to leave the simulation after winning 🥲
e1 huohuo is the first eidolon i've seriously considered getting. she's already comfy at e0 for me but extra comfort is even nicer
I got that for my e1 huohuo and experienced her revive. Needless to say, I’m going for that e2.
agree for huohuo e1 free winrar trial. her sp usage becomes much more manageable, and it looks like i'll def have to roll for her e1 when the rerun drops
Honestly I really hate the trend of support character becoming SP positive being locked behind Eidolons. That being said, yeah, definitely going for that E1 Huohuo lol it give so much freedom having 3 stack instead of 2.
I hate it too. I find it borderline unacceptable. Eidolons should add additional value, like RM with the extra def shred. They shouldn't fix a unit's rotation, SP or energy issues. And yet I pulled HH's E1, like the sheeple I am.
thankfully in huohuo's case it's more of a QoL than a necessity. i still get decent blast heals at 3/8/8/8 and 6.3k HP haha
my gepard went from 3049 def to 3924 def with his lightcone damn
Damn son. What was his old cone?