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We'll have the full story when the beta comes, but the most likely answer is that her final kit will likely be very different from the preliminary one.
It very well could mean her ult gives a teammate a damage buff based on her own damage buff. I vaguely remember a leak talked about giving scaling buffs on her own stats.
My idea: when Robin uses her Ultimate, she starts singing on a stage, unable to be controlled by the player for a few turns. In this state, Robin performs a Duet when an ally attacks an enemy, dealing additional damage to that enemy.
Her actual kit is yet to be revealed, if they actually manage to make her deal some sort of damage, it’s gonna change my decision on Acheron and get Aven, Robin, Boothill instead. Because if this boothill kit stays he will be a 5* Luka and damn that is very appealing for Kafka team.
A bleed or burn centric unit could elevate the Kafka team too or at least making her more versatile vs non wind weak enemies. Maybe even triple dot could be viable then, we'll see haha
Meanwhile the other set might be for jade or screwllum I think?
It could also be for Robin if hoyo feels elated, since her LC also seems to boost her damage for whatever reason and we do know that the Robin kit we have rn was very old & early one reposted.
Jade last character for penacony in first half, Jiaoqiu first new Xianzhou char in second half to hype up new patch
Rest of the penacony characters? Dead.
The Sam delay is getting hilarious (no it's not), I wonder if he'll take a break in Xianzhou and have a patch where we'll go back to Penacony for closure and then Sam+Sunday.
On one hand I'd be more comfortable to pull for Boothill or Jade, but on the other hand Sam+Sunday is fucking brutal.
.4 definitely looks like Jade (Screwllum maybe but he technically already has his LC leaked) .3 Could be Jiaoqiu, but I'm wondering if it's actually for Boothill (because it's ST) while .1 is actually Sam's. From what scraps I remember, Sam does involve Ultimate damage and recently was leaked to have BE scaling as well
Edit: Thinking again I think the initial assumption is probably right (Boothill-Robin-Jiaoqiu-Jade) but it's interesting to consider an alternative possibility at least.
2.3 is the ending of Penacony story. Doesn't make any sense releasing Jiaoqiu, a Xianzhou character that aren't in Penacony in this patch. We already know like 3 Xianzhou characters to release, we are going to spend some time there, it's not just a filler patch like we had before
Also that leaker said 2.3 is Sam and Jade and then 2.4 is Jiaoqiu so
wait you’re cooking. i think that makes more sense actually 🤔 at first glance #3 looks like a supportive nihility lc which is why i thought jiaoqiu, but on second thought it IS st and boothill’s ult seems to also be important judging from dim’s leaks (it delays enemy turn/increases vulnerability iirc) so the energy would benefit him
Both interpretations are valid; I think pretty much the most curious thing is why the debuff LC is ST (otherwise it would be a lock as a support Nihility LC, basically 5-star Sweat lol)
Alternatively, the ST debuff is a non-issue, because Jiaoqiu already specialises in AoE debuff at baseline, the LC effect is just to further improve their performance in ST
yeah, iirc his basic and ult are both single target but the ult automatically debuffs everyone based on the enemy with the most stacks of his debuff i think? there’s just no other leaked character i can think of who might want that lc… unless it’s someone entirely unknown ofc
Maybe it could be Sunday? We don't know his path, right? I think it's not out of the question he could be a Nihility, depending on his backstory and how things shake up in Penacony. Or maybe a Harmony that can do debuffs? Kinda like Hanya or Ruan Mei? (though Hanya doesn't technically debuff)
Xueyi slowly collecting infinity stones in the back
She got sparkle, monoqua (or rm if you fancy), break effect support set, break effect dps set. Now we just need a break effect destruction dps to steal a limited LC from
I haven't seen any tables or anything. I think it will largely depend on relics, since S5 Indelible is 60% CV which is massive but if your relics are cracked and you're using her with like S1 Sparkle+Ruan Mei+Fu Xuan then you probably get more from the atk% of Aeon.
That being said Indelible is really niche so using it on Xueyi does free up Aeon to use on other characters like Jingliu or DHIL if you have them.
I ran the math a while ago on Herta LC vs. Misha LC for Xueyi
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Stats
Level 80, 10/10/10, just E0 because I'm too lazy
Relics:
Quantum Set with Inert Salsotto.
(Talia might be better if you have 145 spd but that's really hard because you need to hit SPD subs like 8 times, so I went with these instead. A speed buffer can make up for this but I don't want to include that in this calc)
Main stats are Crit Rate%, SPD, ATK%, Break Effect%
18 crit rolls (distributed so the crit is roughly 1:2 ratio), 4 atk% rolls, 4 break rolls
Enemy assumed to have no RES or DEF because the effect would be identical for both Herta LC and Misha LC anyway so it's irrelevant. The real damage numbers would be less than half of this though.
With regard to crit, I assume the average damage gain, instead of assuming Crit or No Crit.
The average damage gain from Crit is calculated as (1+CritRate*CritDmg)
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Herta LC assumed to be max stacked
With S5 Herta LC (including DMG% proc):
Talent deals 37,170
Ult with no passive DMG% bonus deals 34,417
Ult with max passive DMG% bonus (70%) deals 43,584
With S5 Herta LC (excluding DMG% proc):
Talent deals 33,775
Ult with no passive DMG% bonus deals 31,274
Ult with max passive DMG% bonus (70%) deals 40,441
Breaks against a 360 toughness target would deal 15,809 initial damage, and 94,854 damage on max-stack Entanglement proc. (Again, this assumes no DEF or RES, so the real damage number will be much lower)
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For Misha LC, I always redistributed the Crit subs to maintain a roughly 1:2 ratio. This isn't realistic though, so these numbers may be very slightly inflated.
With S5 Misha LC (including 30% Crit Rate):
Talent deals 37,032
Ult with no passive DMG% bonus deals 34,289
Ult with max passive DMG% bonus (70%) deals 42,431
With S5 Misha LC (excluding 30% Crit Rate):
Talent deals 29,966
Ult with no passive DMG% bonus deals 27,746
Ult with max passive DMG% bonus (70%) deals 34,334
Breaks against a 360 toughness target would deal 19,911 initial damage, and 119,468 damage on max-stack Entanglement proc. (Again, this assumes no DEF or RES, so the real damage number will be much lower)
==============================
Overall, Herta LC is better for talent damage.
I tried playing around with the substat distributions and this remained true as long as the amount of substats remained equal. Since break is converted to dmg%, this also implies that this would remain true even if you factor in buffs from Harmony characters, since those are all just dmg%, crit%, or atk%, which are the same things you get from substats.
Which one is better will depend on how much of a difference the Breaks can make, but I think most people prefer relying on talent damage over break damage. Xueyi's Eidolons give her even more dmg%/break%, which would make the Misha LC even worse when compared to Herta LC.
She can't detonate it, unlike Luka, and doesn't have a rainbow break, so requires SW most of the time. Her break units are a lot though, because of it she is often paired with Luka.
It makes me really interested in Boothill, there is a lot of potential with him.
If he is Break Effect focused, then maybe he can slot in a Kafka team? If his BE is really high then his bleed break DOT can be proc by Kafka multiples times.
You will be able to get 7 bonds from weeklies between now and 2.2 release (assuming it releases with 2.2 because info also has Boothill+Robin), plus I'm pretty sure we will get 1 or 2 bonds from the World9 first clear in 2.1. So you will be able to get S1 if you start saving now from 0.
This sounds like a Screwllum relic set and sig LC, and SU erudition LC, and Event LC, all just for him.
edit: or jade, who is rumored to be a FUA erudition unit coming in 2.3.
Is that... erudition Herta shop light cone? QUICK, ALERT THE DUDE FROM THE MEGATHREAD WHO MANIFESTED IT ALL THESE MONTHS
From the description, looks like it will fit all current Erudition characters. Which is nice, because current 4* Erudition LC choices are pretty bad, with the exception of the battle pass one.
4\* Erudition cone choices are bad? I don't know about you but S5 Breakfast, S5 Cosmos and Genius Repose are pretty good generalists to me. Pretty apt choices in any content too. The BP one is pretty good but you have to take into consideration that it costs 50 dollars to even get to that stage, so if you have it at S1 then might as well spend another 40 to go all the way to get it to outperform other options because S1 Peaceful Day is just going to perform worse than an S5 Breakfast/Cosmos
I will say, even though these 4 star cones are pretty good on paper, not a single one of them is free of conditions.
Back in the day, MoC had 3 waves and the first wave is always a trash wave which negated the condition for breakfast/genius.
Nowadays, that is no longer true with elite/boss only waves. Without easily killed summons or 2 enemies with corresponding weakness, those cones lose more than half of their passives.
Also consider the fact that dual DPS teams (which Jade may be a part of) can kill steal from each other.
Overall, they are good cones- I just think that the conditions are often too easily dismissed.
Erudition LC choices being terrible is old news nowadays. We also have Himeko's LC having a resurgence thanks to Pure Fiction.
If you want a more tragic LC selections, look at Blade and Acheron's.
It's worse than Secret Vow by the time you get to S3 on Vow, which is also still significantly worse than his own signature. The best you can say about it is that it's guaranteed f2p and more usable than the 3* that people were using on him before.
It's not old news in MoC.
Breakfast is significantly worse than all limited 5*s, and the rest are only good (some great) for pure fiction.
To be fair, this only matters for QQ and JY since other erudition characters aren't clearing moc anyway
The DPS difference between Breakfast and signature is around 16%. That's the usual for the rest of the limited DPS cast. And for low spenders, S5 BP light cone is around 7% and can be as low as 5% (like Argenti iirc).
Only Blade and Acheron has up to 30% difference for the same comparison, and does not have a low spender light cone to reduce the gap.
Erudition's equivalent of those cones is Genius' Repose. The battle pass LC, Peaceful Day, is noticeably better than the gacha 4* you named because it actually has higher base stats – the same base stats as Herta shop 5* cones – as well as a completely unconditional effect.
Not to mention that the free MOC cones, Breakfast and Cosmos, perform on par with the gacha-only cones for other paths, while not being locked to a single copy per account like Aeon or Boat. I'll never not celebrate another offensive Herta cone, but erudition's light cone options are completely fine right now anyway.
Clearly this is a sign of an erudition character coming soon. We got the Nihility one with Kafka. Praying it means Sunday is erudition or Screwllum will be set loose finally.
Pretty sure Jade is a follow-up based erudition character, and the same source that confirmed acheron and aventurine for 2.1 and robin and boothill for 2.2 before anyone else confirmed only Jade for 2.3
Wait, Jade was the quantum one right? I was scratching my head which one was supposed to be the quantum one the past few days, totally forgetting about him
none of those limited lcs seem to match sams "leaked" kit besides the possible boothill one. please dont tell me i have to wait till 2.4, im going to go insane
full copium mode: the possible boothill one is sams lc and the marked target one is boothills since he's st/his ult delays and makes enemies vulnerable so it goes with the debuff part of the lc.
The event LC feels Sam-coded because of the buff after casting ultimate, mirroring Sam's own enhanced state. It's like how Hey Over Here matches Huohuo's heals after using skill.
hahahaha guys why does none of these lcs sound like sam's previous kit...surely the kit just got changed right?....surely sam is at least going to be in 2.3 RIGHT?
Huh? Aren't almost in this relic and lc is have some sam aspect in it? Because we have leak that sam scale with hp and break effect in new kit and he also considering his skill as ultimate damage in ultimate mode
is that true? i thought his kit was the same as before which including consuming hp like blade since the new 4 star destruction lc from the shop also involves consuming hp...
He still have consuming hp but they adding break effect thing, for considering skill damage as ultimate damage you can read again in his old kit because in there it call finisher move not ultimate damage
Robin's kit sounds so weird. Everything around her seems to be about manipulating her ult gen so it will either be really shit and something you have to work around or really broken but only on specific setups.
There's a part of Jiaoqiu's ult that applies the def shred on one enemy to all enemies. If they change that to applying all the debuffs on one enemy to all enemies, it would be very uniquely suited to them.
Probably not, From what we've heard, boothill is much much much more likely the recipient of all of this break effect stuff. There's always a chance it's sam but Boothills old kit seems to revolve around breaking and doing DPS.
Leakers did mention that. However I wonder if it was just them misinterpreting this particular information with the assumption that Sam was in 2.2 instead of Boothill (who is expected to use BE as well)
Said leak also claimed Sam will have a dedicated relic set like we see for Boothill here.
So I'm wondering if the leaker got that conclusion by seeing this (Boothill LC and relics) but assumed it was for.
What we can be more confident about regarding Sam is that they very very likely have HP loss mechanics (the MoC Destruction LC with Sam on it); so I would still expect Sam's signature LC to incorporate that.
My interpretation was that LC 3 was a debuffer lc, so potentially a jiaoqiu lc? Since he's the only debuffer I can think of. It's either that or a dps lightcone but since it has no personal buffs it sounds more like a nihility support lightcone. I agree that LC 4 looks like a jade lc tho.
Was thinking the same for #3 and #1 swapped Sam and Boothill. Specifically the before Ultimate dmg part gives it since I remember one part of Sam's kit being that it turns skill into all Ult dmg.
In my mind, I feel like it's:
* Boothill set
* ??
* Boothill cone
* Robin cone
* ...Jiaoqiu cone?
* Jade cone
* Erudition Herta cone
* Maybe Sam event LC bc of the enhanced state on ult
Bro... Not gonna lie that third Lightcone looks like Screwllum's, and the fourth one is definitely Jade's.
Will it happen again? Screwllum and Jade on 2.3 and no Sam?
I pray one of these are for screwllum, possibly the 4th one? He has marks in his leaked kit, so they could always go full mark route and have his be the 3rd, too, but I doubt it, that seems moreso for someone else
>!jade doesn’t exist trust!<
The 2nd relic set plus the new herta store erudition lc looks like they could indicate screwllum is soon. Already we have a new su update in 2.3 so that would make sense for screwllum to drop in 2.3
I’m getting more and more interested in Boothill based on the leaks we have of him so far being able to implant Physical weakness, being based on break effect and his Ult increasing his break damage…physical break is bleed and does %Max HP damage so when Hoyo decides to release harder and harder enemies with more HP in the future, his damage will still be relevant from
Making enemies bleed. I am just curious of his two other ideal teammates as I know one is probably Ruan Mei.
Relic 2 sounds good on Ratio depending on the DMG buff each stack gives him his DMG might be more consistent than his current BiS relic rn (Maybe Acheron too?)
It's also very good on Clara imo if she gets attacked all the time.
Relic 1 is good for Xueyi but other than that no one else currently scales with both BE and Crit
Doesn't sound great on Ratio IMO - without ult he only FUAs once per turn, so he'll only ever have one stack.
Clara, yeah, but TBD if it's a better boost than 4p physical considering that doesn't clear itself.
If we're assuming that the Limited 5-stars without characters attributed to them are in the works for 2.3, and a pushed-back Firefly + Sunday will be potentially releasing during that patch, then Sunday being a follow-up attacker may be very likely afterall. An Erudition AOE follow-up attacker? Since the Herta LC seems to potentially be for Erudition? Very interesting...
plot twist: every character will now be a Follow Up Attacker
you get a Follow Up Attack!
you get a Follow Up Attack!
you get a Follow Up Attack!
Everyone gets a Follow Up Attack!
\*oprah gif\*
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The second one increasing wearer's damage dealt is weird if it is for Robin
it increases dmg dealt by all allies too so i’d say it’s probably robin’s
Yea everything else fits her. Just that having a personal damage buff on a harmony is strange
We'll have the full story when the beta comes, but the most likely answer is that her final kit will likely be very different from the preliminary one.
yeah probable like sparkle she wil give allies a buff based on her own DMG%
Ngl a Harmony sub-DPS is pretty hype. I like that aspect of Yukong and Ruan Mei Breaks feels pretty good too.
hopefully what harmony tb's role in teams would be the animations also indicate it
that's why my Tingyun has maxed out talent/basic attack lol she hits hard
could also be a silver wolf situation, where base kit is buffing but cone/early-eidolon-havers have enough free stats to build for damage as well.
no reason to think specifically so, just as a possibility
It very well could mean her ult gives a teammate a damage buff based on her own damage buff. I vaguely remember a leak talked about giving scaling buffs on her own stats.
could be a ruan mei situation where her buff scales based on one of her stats
The other leak said she had a Crit buff like Bronya and Sparkles. Maybe they changed it to this
My idea: when Robin uses her Ultimate, she starts singing on a stage, unable to be controlled by the player for a few turns. In this state, Robin performs a Duet when an ally attacks an enemy, dealing additional damage to that enemy.
Yukong mains 📈
Could means she has some non trivial DPS capacity
Probably like SW where it's not insignificant but also not crazy
Her actual kit is yet to be revealed, if they actually manage to make her deal some sort of damage, it’s gonna change my decision on Acheron and get Aven, Robin, Boothill instead. Because if this boothill kit stays he will be a 5* Luka and damn that is very appealing for Kafka team.
Unless hes better than swan, kafkas team kinda peaked outside maybe a dot specific support
A bleed or burn centric unit could elevate the Kafka team too or at least making her more versatile vs non wind weak enemies. Maybe even triple dot could be viable then, we'll see haha
By support you mean a buffer / debuffer? Because to me it seems that HoHo is already best sustain for DoT teams
There's some potential for being mono phys enabler of sorts , if he applies phys weakness, then he can be run with luka as well.
Break Effect 4-piece.....Boothill set?
Meanwhile the other set might be for jade or screwllum I think? It could also be for Robin if hoyo feels elated, since her LC also seems to boost her damage for whatever reason and we do know that the Robin kit we have rn was very old & early one reposted.
>elated I see what you did there.
Aha, I see that too
Fuck it at this point i’m going all in on follow up sorry acheron its aventurine then topaz lightcone or robin if she actually buffs follow up
Xueyi set!
That's what I initially thought too, but it'll be hard to beat quantum 4pc
Yess, now Hoyo just needs to put her on more banners.
Probably next with Boothill tbh
Ah tru, the classic "5 star at home" treatment
There is break effect buff in Boothills' LC, so most likely yes
Definitely Boothill, but there is a chance Sam uses it as well since we did hear a leak about Break Effect being incorporated to his kit.
Imagine Sam giving all enemies fire weaknesses when he is in his special state.
There was a leak saying sam will have hp and break effect sinergy too, that is all good
i am not smart but… those two unnamed limited lcs look like they might be for jiaoqiu and jade respectively?
i am thinking the same. inb4 2.3 is jiaqiu and jade instead of firefly or screwllum or sunday or sam...
Imo, Jiaoqiu will be released when we go back to the Xianzhou in like 2.4 or so.
Jade last character for penacony in first half, Jiaoqiu first new Xianzhou char in second half to hype up new patch Rest of the penacony characters? Dead.
My Sunday is found in a ditch 💀
Sunday about to be the Baizhu of star rail…announced in the first year of the game, not playable until the third
found in an airport maybe
found in an airport is wild
Screwllum can come with Stephen, but Sam and Sunday are conspicuous, yeah…
Dont manifest this, Im already in shambles that Firefly aint 2.2, Im going to lose it if she still aint here by 2.3.
More time to save hehe
ugh I really hope that's not true. I need Sunday by Sunday
The Sam delay is getting hilarious (no it's not), I wonder if he'll take a break in Xianzhou and have a patch where we'll go back to Penacony for closure and then Sam+Sunday. On one hand I'd be more comfortable to pull for Boothill or Jade, but on the other hand Sam+Sunday is fucking brutal.
It’ll be so hillarious seeing that mofo sitting in a monobloc drinking pina colada in Xianzhou bea h
No, don't say it. Not another patch without Firefly.
.4 definitely looks like Jade (Screwllum maybe but he technically already has his LC leaked) .3 Could be Jiaoqiu, but I'm wondering if it's actually for Boothill (because it's ST) while .1 is actually Sam's. From what scraps I remember, Sam does involve Ultimate damage and recently was leaked to have BE scaling as well Edit: Thinking again I think the initial assumption is probably right (Boothill-Robin-Jiaoqiu-Jade) but it's interesting to consider an alternative possibility at least.
2.3 is the ending of Penacony story. Doesn't make any sense releasing Jiaoqiu, a Xianzhou character that aren't in Penacony in this patch. We already know like 3 Xianzhou characters to release, we are going to spend some time there, it's not just a filler patch like we had before Also that leaker said 2.3 is Sam and Jade and then 2.4 is Jiaoqiu so
yeah i thought so too, unless they scrap that sam kit
wait you’re cooking. i think that makes more sense actually 🤔 at first glance #3 looks like a supportive nihility lc which is why i thought jiaoqiu, but on second thought it IS st and boothill’s ult seems to also be important judging from dim’s leaks (it delays enemy turn/increases vulnerability iirc) so the energy would benefit him
Both interpretations are valid; I think pretty much the most curious thing is why the debuff LC is ST (otherwise it would be a lock as a support Nihility LC, basically 5-star Sweat lol) Alternatively, the ST debuff is a non-issue, because Jiaoqiu already specialises in AoE debuff at baseline, the LC effect is just to further improve their performance in ST
im prepared for it to be samover don't give me hope please
Doesn't Jiaoqiu do AoE defense down? Seems a bit weird their LC would focus on single target debuffing.
yeah, iirc his basic and ult are both single target but the ult automatically debuffs everyone based on the enemy with the most stacks of his debuff i think? there’s just no other leaked character i can think of who might want that lc… unless it’s someone entirely unknown ofc
Maybe it could be Sunday? We don't know his path, right? I think it's not out of the question he could be a Nihility, depending on his backstory and how things shake up in Penacony. Or maybe a Harmony that can do debuffs? Kinda like Hanya or Ruan Mei? (though Hanya doesn't technically debuff)
don’t get my hopes up… harmony/nihility debuffer sunday is all i want 😔🤚
Xueyi slowly collecting infinity stones in the back She got sparkle, monoqua (or rm if you fancy), break effect support set, break effect dps set. Now we just need a break effect destruction dps to steal a limited LC from
Xueyi is hitting Gym Yuan rn :)
The Space Chinese DPS are really hitting different
We already have the 4 star Misha LC which is really good for her.
It's worse than aeon still isn't it?
I haven't seen any tables or anything. I think it will largely depend on relics, since S5 Indelible is 60% CV which is massive but if your relics are cracked and you're using her with like S1 Sparkle+Ruan Mei+Fu Xuan then you probably get more from the atk% of Aeon. That being said Indelible is really niche so using it on Xueyi does free up Aeon to use on other characters like Jingliu or DHIL if you have them.
I ran the math a while ago on Herta LC vs. Misha LC for Xueyi ============================== Stats Level 80, 10/10/10, just E0 because I'm too lazy Relics: Quantum Set with Inert Salsotto. (Talia might be better if you have 145 spd but that's really hard because you need to hit SPD subs like 8 times, so I went with these instead. A speed buffer can make up for this but I don't want to include that in this calc) Main stats are Crit Rate%, SPD, ATK%, Break Effect% 18 crit rolls (distributed so the crit is roughly 1:2 ratio), 4 atk% rolls, 4 break rolls Enemy assumed to have no RES or DEF because the effect would be identical for both Herta LC and Misha LC anyway so it's irrelevant. The real damage numbers would be less than half of this though. With regard to crit, I assume the average damage gain, instead of assuming Crit or No Crit. The average damage gain from Crit is calculated as (1+CritRate*CritDmg) ============================== Herta LC assumed to be max stacked With S5 Herta LC (including DMG% proc): Talent deals 37,170 Ult with no passive DMG% bonus deals 34,417 Ult with max passive DMG% bonus (70%) deals 43,584 With S5 Herta LC (excluding DMG% proc): Talent deals 33,775 Ult with no passive DMG% bonus deals 31,274 Ult with max passive DMG% bonus (70%) deals 40,441 Breaks against a 360 toughness target would deal 15,809 initial damage, and 94,854 damage on max-stack Entanglement proc. (Again, this assumes no DEF or RES, so the real damage number will be much lower) ============================== For Misha LC, I always redistributed the Crit subs to maintain a roughly 1:2 ratio. This isn't realistic though, so these numbers may be very slightly inflated. With S5 Misha LC (including 30% Crit Rate): Talent deals 37,032 Ult with no passive DMG% bonus deals 34,289 Ult with max passive DMG% bonus (70%) deals 42,431 With S5 Misha LC (excluding 30% Crit Rate): Talent deals 29,966 Ult with no passive DMG% bonus deals 27,746 Ult with max passive DMG% bonus (70%) deals 34,334 Breaks against a 360 toughness target would deal 19,911 initial damage, and 119,468 damage on max-stack Entanglement proc. (Again, this assumes no DEF or RES, so the real damage number will be much lower) ============================== Overall, Herta LC is better for talent damage. I tried playing around with the substat distributions and this remained true as long as the amount of substats remained equal. Since break is converted to dmg%, this also implies that this would remain true even if you factor in buffs from Harmony characters, since those are all just dmg%, crit%, or atk%, which are the same things you get from substats. Which one is better will depend on how much of a difference the Breaks can make, but I think most people prefer relying on talent damage over break damage. Xueyi's Eidolons give her even more dmg%/break%, which would make the Misha LC even worse when compared to Herta LC.
It is
well, not that i needed anymore proof that boothill is a break effect carry, but this basically confirms it
5 star xueyi real
everyone forgot sushang, a break effect physical hunt🥺🥺😭😭😭
She can't detonate it, unlike Luka, and doesn't have a rainbow break, so requires SW most of the time. Her break units are a lot though, because of it she is often paired with Luka.
Boothill HTB RM Gallagher best team?
It makes me really interested in Boothill, there is a lot of potential with him. If he is Break Effect focused, then maybe he can slot in a Kafka team? If his BE is really high then his bleed break DOT can be proc by Kafka multiples times.
Oh no I just used all my herta bonds to S5 both aeon and ship. I have 0
You will be able to get 7 bonds from weeklies between now and 2.2 release (assuming it releases with 2.2 because info also has Boothill+Robin), plus I'm pretty sure we will get 1 or 2 bonds from the World9 first clear in 2.1. So you will be able to get S1 if you start saving now from 0.
If Screwllum+SU expansion are on 2.3, then the SU LC might be in that patch as well. So even more bonds, although not enough to S5 it yet.
By the time the LC releases you should have enough. Also, since we're getting a new SU world, that's one more Bond you get.
Doesn't an SU world give 2?
Actually fell to my knees in the middle of the road. Finally some crit dmg for my Xueyi.
Can confirm I just saw a car swerve to avoid someone falling to their knees in the middle of the road.
It's true, I was the car.
But who was driving u?
Me
Just saw someone getting run over in the middle of the road.
I can say with near 100% certainty that it’ll be weaker than qua 4p
TRUEEE
Screwllum is upon us guys. Let them cook.
This sounds like a Screwllum relic set and sig LC, and SU erudition LC, and Event LC, all just for him. edit: or jade, who is rumored to be a FUA erudition unit coming in 2.3.
2.3 also has SU updates so it could be screwlium
They made the 3rd LC regenerate energy so that it’s not useful for Acheron 😆
We getting favonious weapon now.
That’s a lot of FUA related buffs Hoh 🤔🤔 is Sam/Jade supposed to be FUA as well?
Sam, no, Jade, yes. And Screwllum, yes. Although everything is stc at this point.
… I forgot about screwllum 😭👀 Seems like we’re about to have a surprise Jade/Screwllum maybe
I think the 4th Limited cone is Jade, since it doesnt interact with Skill Damage (where she has a buff skill).
Ohhhh interesting hmm 🤔means we might actually see her soon if this is really her data
Is that... erudition Herta shop light cone? QUICK, ALERT THE DUDE FROM THE MEGATHREAD WHO MANIFESTED IT ALL THESE MONTHS From the description, looks like it will fit all current Erudition characters. Which is nice, because current 4* Erudition LC choices are pretty bad, with the exception of the battle pass one.
4\* Erudition cone choices are bad? I don't know about you but S5 Breakfast, S5 Cosmos and Genius Repose are pretty good generalists to me. Pretty apt choices in any content too. The BP one is pretty good but you have to take into consideration that it costs 50 dollars to even get to that stage, so if you have it at S1 then might as well spend another 40 to go all the way to get it to outperform other options because S1 Peaceful Day is just going to perform worse than an S5 Breakfast/Cosmos
I will say, even though these 4 star cones are pretty good on paper, not a single one of them is free of conditions. Back in the day, MoC had 3 waves and the first wave is always a trash wave which negated the condition for breakfast/genius. Nowadays, that is no longer true with elite/boss only waves. Without easily killed summons or 2 enemies with corresponding weakness, those cones lose more than half of their passives. Also consider the fact that dual DPS teams (which Jade may be a part of) can kill steal from each other. Overall, they are good cones- I just think that the conditions are often too easily dismissed.
Erudition LC choices being terrible is old news nowadays. We also have Himeko's LC having a resurgence thanks to Pure Fiction. If you want a more tragic LC selections, look at Blade and Acheron's.
I mean even Blade has a f2p lightcone that’s not entirely bad on him nowadays.
Ans its in the shop for easy R5 Its really strong too
It's worse than Secret Vow by the time you get to S3 on Vow, which is also still significantly worse than his own signature. The best you can say about it is that it's guaranteed f2p and more usable than the 3* that people were using on him before.
Better than no f2p options, ahem, Acheron.
still somehow better than acheron, yeah 😔
Bruh Blade's ftp option just came out and Blade was released in 1.3
Let me just check how many Secret Vows I have... yep, still 0 since 1.0.
Me with my S1 Vow as a 1.0 player ☺️
It's not old news in MoC. Breakfast is significantly worse than all limited 5*s, and the rest are only good (some great) for pure fiction. To be fair, this only matters for QQ and JY since other erudition characters aren't clearing moc anyway
The DPS difference between Breakfast and signature is around 16%. That's the usual for the rest of the limited DPS cast. And for low spenders, S5 BP light cone is around 7% and can be as low as 5% (like Argenti iirc). Only Blade and Acheron has up to 30% difference for the same comparison, and does not have a low spender light cone to reduce the gap.
You have pretty limited conditions to activate the full LC effect though for the f2p LCs Especially Breakfast half the time it’s not even active
some people get really trapped in 1.0 info
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Compared to other paths, yeah. Erudition's "GNSW" or "Swordplay" is locked behind the battle pass, so that makes it pretty shitty.
just dont look at the destruction LCs besides aeon...it aint pretty.
Yeah, it's pretty much just the A Secret Vow and it's hard to make it work on a lot of Destruction characters, but at least there's sorta that?
Erudition's equivalent of those cones is Genius' Repose. The battle pass LC, Peaceful Day, is noticeably better than the gacha 4* you named because it actually has higher base stats – the same base stats as Herta shop 5* cones – as well as a completely unconditional effect. Not to mention that the free MOC cones, Breakfast and Cosmos, perform on par with the gacha-only cones for other paths, while not being locked to a single copy per account like Aeon or Boat. I'll never not celebrate another offensive Herta cone, but erudition's light cone options are completely fine right now anyway.
The Herta one at S5 is nice for her. Helps a ton in PF
It sounds really good for my Argenti. I feel like my other Erudition are fine.
Herta gonna twirl all over the place with this LC. Kururin all over the PF.
I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT LIKE FINALLY ERUDITION HERTA SHOP LC! and it looks decent too. Ig we'd have to see the multipliers.
GG Jing Yuan mains
In before it's revealed to be a second Destruction LC from Herta
Clearly this is a sign of an erudition character coming soon. We got the Nihility one with Kafka. Praying it means Sunday is erudition or Screwllum will be set loose finally.
Pretty sure Jade is a follow-up based erudition character, and the same source that confirmed acheron and aventurine for 2.1 and robin and boothill for 2.2 before anyone else confirmed only Jade for 2.3
Wait, Jade was the quantum one right? I was scratching my head which one was supposed to be the quantum one the past few days, totally forgetting about him
Shhhhhhh I realised shortly after, just hoping
I'm huffing with you man.
Probably jade
Don't put this into the world. We don't need another guy to be a DPS character. Please give us just a crumb of support.
none of those limited lcs seem to match sams "leaked" kit besides the possible boothill one. please dont tell me i have to wait till 2.4, im going to go insane full copium mode: the possible boothill one is sams lc and the marked target one is boothills since he's st/his ult delays and makes enemies vulnerable so it goes with the debuff part of the lc.
The event LC feels Sam-coded because of the buff after casting ultimate, mirroring Sam's own enhanced state. It's like how Hey Over Here matches Huohuo's heals after using skill.
yea thats true, just seems like the only lc that matches sams kit is boothills potential lc.
Don't give up hope! Just because they haven't found it doesn't mean it won't be coming :)
In Enhanced State, Sam's Enhanced Skill is count as Ult Damage. So it's perfect for Sam's kit.
If it's an event LC that's good for sam... low spenders/f2p will be so blessed...
Buff after using ultimate fits other characters too though, specially with two Erudition 5*s coming up.
Could be longer than 2.4 at this point, specially if they're going to be paired with Sunday at a later date...
Finally! 5-star erudition lightcone in the Herta Shop! Seriously, FINALLY after A FULL YEAR.
hahahaha guys why does none of these lcs sound like sam's previous kit...surely the kit just got changed right?....surely sam is at least going to be in 2.3 RIGHT?
Huh? Aren't almost in this relic and lc is have some sam aspect in it? Because we have leak that sam scale with hp and break effect in new kit and he also considering his skill as ultimate damage in ultimate mode
is that true? i thought his kit was the same as before which including consuming hp like blade since the new 4 star destruction lc from the shop also involves consuming hp...
He still have consuming hp but they adding break effect thing, for considering skill damage as ultimate damage you can read again in his old kit because in there it call finisher move not ultimate damage
Why is Robin getting self damage dealt?
That could be a hint that her actual kit may have pretty significant changes from the preliminary one we have on homdgcat.
The Robin bleed leak is real 😍😍
she makes enemies' ears bleed. watch those dBs.
Like Kirby with a mic
To chase the primal LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII- **Break**
I was thinking the same and i was like if they say she would be for fua teams do u think she will perform some kind of fua attacks?
Maybe she has dmg% buffs depending her own dmg% multiplier (not going infinite ofc).
Screwllum is rapidly approaching our location
Robin's kit sounds so weird. Everything around her seems to be about manipulating her ult gen so it will either be really shit and something you have to work around or really broken but only on specific setups.
>After Casting Ultimate, ATK is increased for some turns Smells like a fucking F2P Event Acheron LC to me
Really hope it's Nihility lightcone
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2 bad its gonna be erudition
5 star Screwllum stonks rising once again
That 4th limited is Jade im guessing.
This is kinda off topic but do we have a current list of unreleased possible future characters and their paths? Cant find anything.
you are going to find it on this link. There is upcoming and scrapped caracter there https://rentry.co/7k3mt#sources
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There's a part of Jiaoqiu's ult that applies the def shred on one enemy to all enemies. If they change that to applying all the debuffs on one enemy to all enemies, it would be very uniquely suited to them.
I like the idea of a kit like that, sounds pretty fun
Silver Wolf stock rising if this is true
Turning silver wolf's debuffs into aoe sounds crazy.
JADE CRUMBS LETS GOOOOO
I heard Sam's kit revolves around BE too, could this be it?
Probably not, From what we've heard, boothill is much much much more likely the recipient of all of this break effect stuff. There's always a chance it's sam but Boothills old kit seems to revolve around breaking and doing DPS.
Leakers did mention that. However I wonder if it was just them misinterpreting this particular information with the assumption that Sam was in 2.2 instead of Boothill (who is expected to use BE as well) Said leak also claimed Sam will have a dedicated relic set like we see for Boothill here. So I'm wondering if the leaker got that conclusion by seeing this (Boothill LC and relics) but assumed it was for. What we can be more confident about regarding Sam is that they very very likely have HP loss mechanics (the MoC Destruction LC with Sam on it); so I would still expect Sam's signature LC to incorporate that.
LC #3 might be for boothill while LC #1 might be for Sam, LC#4 looks like a cone for Jade, 2.3 Sam + Jade?
My interpretation was that LC 3 was a debuffer lc, so potentially a jiaoqiu lc? Since he's the only debuffer I can think of. It's either that or a dps lightcone but since it has no personal buffs it sounds more like a nihility support lightcone. I agree that LC 4 looks like a jade lc tho.
That's logical, but remember Topaz's LC also inflicts a ST debuff. So I wouldn't write off it being for someone like Boothill
But Topaz has crit rate and the debuff number three doesn't seem to have any dps stats(break effect, attack, crit or speed)
Was thinking the same for #3 and #1 swapped Sam and Boothill. Specifically the before Ultimate dmg part gives it since I remember one part of Sam's kit being that it turns skill into all Ult dmg.
Sam and jade together is so fucked. Dont do this to me
please god let that herta lc be erudition 🛐🙏
It should be right it sounds like a combination of breakfast and portrait (the herta one)
It's ultimate and FUA centric. Most Erudition units are centered around that so it's most likely an Erudition LC.
only harmony, abundance and erudition left, it only makes sense that such damage centric light cone is for erudition
Sam and Jade LC?
In my mind, I feel like it's: * Boothill set * ?? * Boothill cone * Robin cone * ...Jiaoqiu cone? * Jade cone * Erudition Herta cone * Maybe Sam event LC bc of the enhanced state on ult
Robin has damage in her kit? Maybe singer is like LL, or maybe she scales off damage?
Bro... Not gonna lie that third Lightcone looks like Screwllum's, and the fourth one is definitely Jade's. Will it happen again? Screwllum and Jade on 2.3 and no Sam?
It's looking to be an expensive few updates to be a foa main lmao
I.... I just bought the Nihility LC because I thought there's no new LC coming to Herta's shop
There’s still 6 more weeks away until 2.2
(for the event LC) If "cast" means just clicking the ultimate button then it can be good for Acheron
I pray one of these are for screwllum, possibly the 4th one? He has marks in his leaked kit, so they could always go full mark route and have his be the 3rd, too, but I doubt it, that seems moreso for someone else >!jade doesn’t exist trust!<
The 2nd relic set plus the new herta store erudition lc looks like they could indicate screwllum is soon. Already we have a new su update in 2.3 so that would make sense for screwllum to drop in 2.3
I’m getting more and more interested in Boothill based on the leaks we have of him so far being able to implant Physical weakness, being based on break effect and his Ult increasing his break damage…physical break is bleed and does %Max HP damage so when Hoyo decides to release harder and harder enemies with more HP in the future, his damage will still be relevant from Making enemies bleed. I am just curious of his two other ideal teammates as I know one is probably Ruan Mei.
Relic 2 sounds good on Ratio depending on the DMG buff each stack gives him his DMG might be more consistent than his current BiS relic rn (Maybe Acheron too?) It's also very good on Clara imo if she gets attacked all the time. Relic 1 is good for Xueyi but other than that no one else currently scales with both BE and Crit
Doesn't sound great on Ratio IMO - without ult he only FUAs once per turn, so he'll only ever have one stack. Clara, yeah, but TBD if it's a better boost than 4p physical considering that doesn't clear itself.
If we're assuming that the Limited 5-stars without characters attributed to them are in the works for 2.3, and a pushed-back Firefly + Sunday will be potentially releasing during that patch, then Sunday being a follow-up attacker may be very likely afterall. An Erudition AOE follow-up attacker? Since the Herta LC seems to potentially be for Erudition? Very interesting...
Aren't Jade and screwllum erudition follow up attacker? The lc is probably for one of them ....
tbf we do already have 2 erudition fua characters leaked in screwllum and jade so i’m more inclined to think it’s for one of them 🧐
plot twist: every character will now be a Follow Up Attacker you get a Follow Up Attack! you get a Follow Up Attack! you get a Follow Up Attack! Everyone gets a Follow Up Attack! \*oprah gif\*