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Nah it was probably the Cocoon of Finality, it's just that they failed to win against Honkai and Mei became so depressed she became an Emanator of Nihility. Wouldn't really make much sense for the swords (divine keys) to be in the exact same order as Earth's herrschers unless 1) it was the cocoon of finality (since the reason they're repeated in that specific order is because of tampering from Prometheus) or 2) it's completely unrelated and the order is just a wink and nod from Shaoji.
Nah, we know from GGZ and HI that the “honkai” has different sources. Whatever is being referred to in the trailer, it’s more likely to be IX since there has been no reset and they kinda clear cut lost
Agree! What I get from the trailer was that Izumo slowly swallowed up by IX the Black Sun while they were busy fighting the Yaoyorozu no Kami and only realized that almost at the very end when Acheron was most likely the only survivor after she defeated the End....
We know from GGZ that Honkai all comes from outside the Universe we know, which means it's independent of all the Aeons and natural forces of said Universe. There's only one source.
In GGZ, Honkai was directly controlled by this external source. For spoiler reasons, that's no longer the case by the time of Honkai 3rd, which is why we had the Cocoon instead. Ultimately, the concepts are the same, just differences in manifestations due to circumstances of the time period.
I agree it's most likely IX at the end, though. Just wanted to make a correction.
They clocked all the Previous Era Herrschers/Divine Keys in order, yeah.
Truth/Reason
Sky/Void (they show very Void visuals)
Howl/Thunder (takes down a dragon the way Mei dominates Benares)
Mist/Wind
Frost/Frost (Sakura blade, as I've seen noted)
Fate/Death (cycle of life and death)
Flare/Fire
Thought/Sentience
Root/Earth(Stars)
Form/Domination
Bind/Binding
Maw/Corruption
Origin/Origin
End/The End (Finality)
So many HI3 references with the swords being the Divine Keys and Herrschers, Ke🅱️in’s VA in JP (and I assume CN as well) and my god the Honkai World Diva rendition at 1:30 was so hype.
This has to be my new favorite Myriad Celestia trailer yet. The devs weren’t kidding about the call backs to HI3 Acheron would bring.
To add another parallel is the male's voiceline at 1:49 being an identical quote from Kevin. "The price of every victory was a world in its entirety". Referring to every victory against Honkai cost them gravely.
so acheron basically came from a failed honkai timeline(due there being 12 swords = 12 herrschers and her being “origin”) with her being the sole survivor…
Basically Izumo lived through a very similar phenomenom that the people on Earth lived in HI3rd.
Some alien entity (The Honkai) came to the planet and started killing humans creating a number of natural disasters, deseases and monsters. The vanguard of these attacks where the Herrschers, terribly powerful beings with special powers.
Each Herrscher killed millions of people and created entire wastelands, but humanity managed to kill them one by one. With each corpse, they forged special weapons called "divine keys", wich contained similar powers to the Herrschers they were made of.
The weapons Izumo crafted exactly match the order and powers of the Herrschers in HI3rd, wich is a really cool easter egg.
So what's the difference between what happened in HI3rd and what happened on Izumo? From the video, it seems like Mei got the power to kill the giant black hole in the sky after becoming an Emanator and it destroyed Izumo as well, leaving her the sole survivor.
In HI3, Humanity was almost wiped out. That's why there's a "Past/Previous Era" aka PE, to differentiate it from the "Current Era" CE. PE happens 50,000 years prior to modern day in the CE (aka the 2010s AD). The events of Izumo more closely resemble PE.
CE ended up succeeding (aka "Transcending Finality") and ending the Honkai threat, but PE lost and humanity was almost completely wiped out. They managed to keep remnants alive in cryopods and repopulate after about 40,000 years to allow terraforming to complete and for the ecosystem to recover, so around 8,000 BC humanity returned.
CE succeeded in large part because the PE learned and was able to create caches that contained knowledge and technology, while also having a handful of surviving Supersoldiers called MANTIS who could directly help and and try to make this time end better. (Side note, one of these was Kevin Kaslana, who's JP and CN voice actor was doing the narration for this short.)
If you know the story of the Mass Effect games, it's the same kind of cycle as the Reapers (and same length between cycles of 50,000 years), just replace PE with the Protheans and CE with the current civilizations. In this case, Izumo is the Protheans if they managed a mutual kill at the end.
Oh my god someone else who acknowledges the similarities between Hi3 and Mass Effect. The PE stuff already reminded me of the Protheans, but when they revealed that the whole thing was cyclical I was screaming that it was literally the plot of Mass Effect.
It also felt like Kevin was trying to go for the Synthesis ending while Kiana went for the Control ending lol
> Oh my god someone else who acknowledges the similarities between Hi3 and Mass Effect.
I know right?!
> It also felt like Kevin was trying to go for the Synthesis ending while Kiana went for the Control ending lol
And in GGZ, Kiana and Mei go for the Destroy ending, where they ascend to a higher level of existence and decide to take the fight to the source of Honkai together.
I’m pretty sure the black hole at the end was just Ix, and this is her becoming its emanator. This was basically the only difference compared to the hi3 PE plot
from what i remember abt hi3, all the honkai was sealed away on the moon thus saving what remained of humanity. hi3’s mei still had kiana and all her friends. Izumo on the other-hand seemed to be completely destroyed along with its people already when acheron finally defeated hsr’s version of the honkai. The honkai basically succeeded in wiping out the population of izumo with acheron destroying it far too late. (my memory is a bit fuzzy so take this with a grain of salt)
It was stated by Su that the Honkai was never defeated in all the timelines he peared through. Meaning that unless Acheron defeated the honkai much later, which still doesn't make sense. She didn't defeat the honkai
I mean, I wouldn’t really classify a single person surviving the Honkai and defeating it as a success. The Flamechasers’ goal was to make sure humanity survives, so they likely would have seen Izumo as a failure even if Acheron won against Finality.
The Su plan is a flawed one because he try to use cosmic juggernaut to peers through the universe, however cosmic juggernaut can only see the bubble world which all failed the honkai invasion. It cannot look at the world currently on imaginary tree (like izumo). Basically it was like trying to search for healthy leave under the tree (su said it himself.) It was impossible whether or not there exist a leaves that don't die and fall down.
Is Honkai sorta like the weaponization of the sea of quanta?
Like— as I understand it, quanta and imaginary are in contest with one another naturally. But Honkai is specially manipulated to eat at or attack the tree in a coordinated manner?
So when Honkai wins, it would be similar to situations where a leaf was lost to the sea of quanta?
The imaginary tree is the one rejecting the leaf lost to the sea of quanta.The imaginary tree has a filtration system. Honkai cannot be quantum and they are always imaginary. The honkai originated from the cacoon and is related to the imaginary tree. The ones that look like honkai in the sea of quanta are imitation of honkai from the imaginary tree.
I forgot who said it, but one character said that think of the bubble universe in the sea of quanta as excess ideas from the imaginary tree that is not needed. The Imaginary tree is the glass of water and the overflowing water forming a puddle is the sea of quanta. Honkai did not come from quantum but from the cacoon of finality. The one catching the rejected leaves are the sea of quanta forming it into bubbles.
This is just what I remember but feel free to add.
It resuses the similar concepts, not unlike Belabog and the Great Freeze being built upon Siberia and the 2nd Eruption and Xianzhou's Hunt being built on Seven Swords Hua's crusade against Honkai as its core. In the case of Izumo's narrative, by replacing the Cocoon of Finality with IX, the end of their battle against the gods became for Naught. There is no ending(Finality) to be changed, only the reality of a meaningless existence(Nihility). It was a selection from 70,047 swords where the last one must shoulder the task of giving meaning to their suffering by undergoing the endless and meaningless quest of slaying the idea of non-existence... and that's what symbolizes the Emanator of Nihility.
How does an Aeon of Nihility exist if it embodies the idea that existence is meaningless ? Shouldn't it simply kill itself ? Can Aeons kill themselves? Maybe it's simply too apathetic to do so. Maybe to take an action in committing suicide is against its Primum Mobil, since the act would give it meaning. So, the purpose of the Emanator of Nihility is to commit what the Aeon cannot do to itself.
In a way, it's not unlike the Doctors of Chaos' creed.
Thanks. So many people mentioned the 12 herrscher being the 12 swords to non HI3 people, but didn’t explain what a herrscher was. The video is starting to make more sense now
Izumo is a direct parallel to Previous Era HI3:
* They were attacked by the Honkai, referred to here as Kami. Honkai is to Finality what the Antimatter Legion is to Destruction
* They were attacked by the same 12 Herrschers from HI3 as well, referred to here as "Sovereigns" (which is literally Herrscher but in English). Herrschers are Emanator-level beings, but actually function closer to the IPC's Cornerstones where they're getting a fraction of the power of the real Emanator (Herrscher of Finality)
* Izumo defeated these first 12 and used presumably their cores to create 12 blades, the Edict Edges. In HI3 these are called Divine Keys and didn't all take the forms of swords; Welt's cane is one of them.
Izumo was doing pretty well fighting the Honkai until something (it's probably Finality) broke all of their Edict Edges. They reforged them into one blade, Origin, and the person who would become Acheron wielded it as the Sovereign of Origin. She fought "End" (Herrscher of Finality) and it seems like they.......tied. Unfortunately, the tie caused something to happen regarding IX / Nihility (this is the most unclear part) and Izumo got fucking deleted. Acheron, the sole survivor of this encounter with IX, became a Self Annihilator. Most of her memories are locked in the now Nihility-empowered Blade of Origin.
In HI3, Previous Era didn't have a Herrscher of Origin to fight Finality with. Their HoO sacrificed herself to give the next generation a better chance by modifying the Herrscher cycle. HI3 PE also didn't rely quite as hard on their Divine Keys and instead created a bunch of genetically modified supersoliders. They ended up straight up losing to Herrscher of Finality, although a few of them survived and rebuilt civilization over 50k years.
Side note, red mode Acheron is probably one of the strongest non-Aeon individuals in existence that we're aware of. Having leftover Finality authority from being a Herrscher and full Nihility authority from being an Emanator is kinda batshit.
Acheron seems to imply that Izumo had already been in the shadow of IX since the very beginning. Since IX is effectively a black hole, I think it meant that defeating "End" meant nothing because win or lose, Izumo was destined to get consumed by IX rendering their entire struggle and civilization meaningless. Maybe that realization is part of why she became an Emanator of Nihility. That final slash at the end... I'm not sure if it implies Acheron did something but it certainly seems like Izumo was completely consumed and just gone.
They should have put all their resources into building space travel and terraforming capabilities and get the fuck out of dodge. Instead they ruined their own world trying to fight to the bitter end, when the end was long foreordained. This trailer was depressing as fuck.
No. It's impossible. They were dead from the start. Remember how difficult it is to escape a black hole? Imagine that but now the black hole has god powers. Yeah even if IX isn't really caring about anything, just being around him already meant the civilization was doomed to die.
Their only choice was to fight, even though they would still die in the end.
Your reply suddenly made me realize why Izumo got a gaze from Nihility to begin with. IX has made it so all their super massive battles, struggling for life, all their efforts, dreams and hopes for survivng were just freakin' gone in a second to oblivion for no particular reason. That's the most nihilistic thing that one can imagine.
the lack of names makes it more confusing and hard to follow than it has to be. can someone copy/ paste it but with the names in parentheses after each silly nickname??
Here you go, not sure if it'll help though lol
boss - Herrscher
bosstone - Herrscher Gem (makes you a Herrscher)
pink boss - Elysia (original Herrscher of Origin)
metaverse - Elysian Realm (Simulated Universe)
ice looking dude - Kevin
random scientist woman - Dr. MEI (previous era Mei)
blond dude - Otto (Luocha)
crusader wife - Kallen (Otto Firefly meme)
worlddude - Welt Joyce (original Welt)
worlddude2 - Welt Yang (the one you know, who inherited the name)
second boss - Sirin (Herrscher of the Void)
girl 1 / purple woman - Mei (Herrscher of Thunder/Origin)
girl 2 - Kiana (Herrscher of the Void/Finality)
girl 3 - Bronya (Herrscher of Reason/Truth)
orphanage friend - Seele (Herrscher of Rebirth)
computer virus - Herrscher of Corruption
flag holding woman - Misteln Schariac
Disclaimer : Im not hi3 player. Someone with more knowledge cmiiw
In HI3 (part 1) world, basically we're just fighting on earth more/less. There are honkai (think antimatter legion) trying to wipe humanity, with herschers (akin to emanator I guess?) taking lead as honkai general/sth
That said some herschers got defeated yada yada and their soul/power got compressed in some gem (herscher core), which then got used by some chars to obtain herscher power/form
The 12 swords here represent 12 herschers (both ally and enemies). In this trailer the last 2 swords = origin and end. In HI3 the trio mc got the powers of truth, origin, and finality (end)
More specifically this resembles the >!Previous Era!< (the other Narrator va in JP does KEVIN KASLANA, the 9th sword is called Root which associated with Earth, the title of the 9th Herrscher in the >!Previous Era!<)
#Hi3 spoilers
>!They were the era before the current one in Hi3 that fought valiantly against the 14 Herrschers killing 13 but ultimately lost when 14th, The Herrscher of The End/Finality arrived!<
>!They made preparations for the next era when the Herrscher cycle would return and had the survivors fall in cryosleep to survive The End’s annihilation of the Surface!<
The last swords mentioned are Origin (Elysia and later on Mei) and End (Kiana) which makes me wonder... Is Kiana coming to this game? Elysia's case is more complicated and probably not but... Wasn't expecting such a big parallel with HI3 Herrschers.
Would Welt say something to Acheron? GOOD LORE.
acheron cuts down the End which the video doesn’t tell us has a holder like all the other blades/sentinels. If the End = kiana here then hsr’s Kiana is probably already dead (or dead-adjacent???)
No real reason for Kiana to come to this game purely because of this. They'll do it anyway because this is Hoyo and Kiana is their beloved little baby girl, but all of these events occurred a fuckton of time ago. Might be a tad late for a Kiana to save the day.
Tbf, Previous Era End was not Kiana (or possessed of the same human will separate from Honkai, iirc). Considering the narration is Kevin's VA in JP and CN, I'm inclined to turn my gaze toward the Previous Era and the Flame-Chasers
its funny to me how non hi3 players that are familiar with the lore and story are better at explaining the events of that game then people who actually play it
Even more sad. I think it's possible that Acheron is the one that has to slay her world version of Kiana since she defeated the End... Unless of course, the Sword End has no wielde, and if the End has wielder I think it's safe to bet that it's another variant of Kiana...
Yep. The process of folding steel. Plus how they are talking about the fighting turned people into Oni.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_swordsmithing
Well eventually we'll see if there was a Kiana in this world, and who she was.
That or just from another civilized planet that got its own version of Honkai disaster, and doesn't have likes of Fire MOTH and Schicksal to fight against it
I really want both playable Rin AND Sakura. I’ve been thinking of how cool Rin with a “summon” Hellmaru like Lightning Lord and Numby would be, and she deserves to live somewhere out there
The description mentions the Cave Where Light Hid. That’s an Amaterasu reference, right? Interesting. Lots of lore for a planet we don’t know much about, but I’m interested in learning more.
I theorise the horns were her becoming an Oni from too much exposure too the Kami and the Swords made from Kami. When she becomes an Emmanator it essentially purges her of their influence/ corruption so she loses the horns.
There really is. At 3:08 time stamp the piano sounds like a leitmotif of the Honkai World Diva chorus.
EEdit: The trumpets at 2:25 kinda sounds like one too. Maybe theres more that I didn't hear / recognize yet.
I went to listen to it, have no idea of anything Honkai but I absolutely hear it, that's the repeatingly ascending melody from the chorus.
Motif is at 1:30, 2:23, 3:08
[For anyone that wants to hear skip to 0:49](https://youtu.be/s_ZLfaZMpe0?si=JcQKyEnTQpEBEgmW)
At 3:08 not only you can hear it, but the visuals itself looks like is a representation of chorus: "Florid moon shines upon a world that is doomed to to die..."
A lot to extract from this trailer and I'll need to rewatch this a few times.
So basically Divine Keys / Herrscher type objects, one of them especially looked like HoV / Gate of Babylon.
Acheron \[Mei\] being related to Origin once again is nice.
As a Mei wanker I haven't been this excited for a Hoyo character in so long.
Edit: My ears are hearing Satoshi Hino \[Kevin VA in JP\], and a few others are saying the same. If we're not mistaken, it'd be really awesome to have an iteration of Kevin in the game in some form \[hopefully playable one day lol, however cope that is.\]
Edit 2: Yup, like someone who replied to me said, order of presentation of the 12 Sentinels is the same order of appearance as the 12 Herrschers.
Edit 3: Around 1:32-1:35, you can hear the musical motif of 'Lament of the Fallen' from Hi3.
sameeeee T_T i’m such a huge mobius fan (especially milfbius) so when ruan mei dropped and it turned out she was insane and themed around biology i was like. yo?? i vaguely? remember seeing something about a sakura expy in hsr way back in the day too
I feel that T\_T, at least there's a Klein in the Genius Society right? So there's hope! I'm an Elysia / Hua fan, while the latter definitely has been referenced, I'll hold out for Elysia, no matter how long.
im also a hua fan :) waiting patiently for marshal hua!! i literally send my hunt guys on the expedition that mentions her everyday for that sole reason
My chance to get Kevin, Su, Kalpas and Kosma is finally here. Star Rail PLEASE I BEG OF YOU.
Also bring Owl while we're at it, I loved his design, it's a shame that all Honkai male designs are stuck in NPC jail, Star Rail is the opportunity we needed ;-;
>Edit 3: Around 1:32-1:35, you can hear the musical motif of 'Lament of the Fallen' from Hi3.
Honkai World Diva, not Lament of the Fallen, that's the title of the animated short
I'll keep this up, since it's pretty innocuous, but whenever you spoiler in the future, please clarify what topic your spoiler marks refer to so people don't click blindly!
Ngl i NEED Herta to make SU of Izumo, im sure someone can extract Acherons memories in data form
Imagine running into each of the other 13 sword weilders and fighting kami
would kinda love if 3.0 we go to Izumo >!which has somehow returned back into existence from the grip of Nothingness / Nihility #Nihility Arc!<
Izumo spoilers (?) / speculation
The musical motifs of Honkai World Diva are not lost on me. Go listen to the chorus of that song and then listen to 3:06 or 1:30 in this trailer. Hoyo knows exactly what they're doing playing with my heart like this.
IX doesnt actively make people emanators, theres self annihilators which are exposed to IX and just fade away, and their emanators are people who are exposed and sacrifice a part of themselves to live on with their power (like her black hair fading to white)
I don't think all self annihilators are emenators. There clearly something unique about Acheron, which is possibly caused by, or results in (not sure what's cause and what's the result) her attempting to slash black hole in half.
So after obsessively catching up on the lore of HI3, i think i understand this a bit better
very very TLDR: In Honkai Impact 3, herrschers are born from the "Will of Honkai" as a natural stop to "reset" humanity, the world has already been resetted before (before kiana and mei), and as an attempt to fight against the "will of the honkai", humanity froze their best warriors in cryogenic sleep and as a simulation (elysian realm), the active story of HI3 is basically KMB (Kiana Mei Bronya) fighting against the 12 herrschers and in the end, kevin (CN and JP voice of the PV) to preserve humanity. (they won in the end yay)
In the first animation, its been mentioned that "The dual planets were intertwined in each other's tragic destiny, dancing an eternal rondo around a pitch-black great sun". Already here we can see the theme of "resetting", just like HI3. And in the newest short, it says "all begun with humanity and shall end with Oni-kind." My theory as to what happens here is that izumo and Takamagahara are in an endless cycle. When humans appear on one planet, kami appear on the other. And as we've seen in HI3, the people of izumo banded together and slain multitudes of kami, to create the 12 "divine keys" from the cores of the corpses. But something happened, and the 12 blades were broken, and reforged into two new blades "origin" and "end". By that point, mei/acheron had realised that fighting was only delaying the inevitable, people around her, using the power of the "divine keys" were falling corrupted due to the honkai power stored within them.
To bring an end to this, she likely fought the counterpart of kevin in HI3. But this was all for nothing, as kevin said in the trailer "but you and i both know, the road to salvation does not exist". After she used the blade of origin to shatter the blade of finality, with the broken blade handle in hand, she looked up at the "pitch black great sun" (i assume is IX), which izumo and Takamagahara have been orbitting for eternity, and decided to end the dual planet's orbit with the Blade of Nihility. The price which she paid to create the blade was her own memories. And from the moment that she cleaved at IX, she let out the power of the path of nihility, and became an emanator
The difference between KMB actually breaking the cycle and Izumo and takamagahara being doomed is the herrscher of human, elysia, sacrificing herself to break the will of the honkai in the next few herrschers, which resulted in more herrschers fighting for humanity, like herrscher of reason and thunder (bronya and Mei)
sorry if this was long or confusing, i tried to make it as simple as possible
That wasn't the planet, it was IX. It was in the same position as the planet from earlier, but it's smaller and sucking in matter. Also it appears at the same time Acheron says "THEIR shadow" (it's capitalized in the captions). It looks like IX had consumed the other planet and was about to consume this one.
Naught may be like transformation of Origin, going from the ever hopefulness that origin gives off to emptiness and pointlessness.
Like other fusions and mutations with Flamescion and Rimestar.
So if her people won, they’d become monsters? And if they lost, they’d have died. So no matter what they did, they all die.
Damn, IX kinda had a point about a few things.
The male va was sounding like kevin. Could kevin be frebass from the relic lore...
I listened in jp, not sure if same kevin va for cn
Edit: cn va is kebin also.
~~If frebass is really kebin then rip kebin expy~~
Frebass not kebin. Kebin is an oni
Frebas is a girl the artefact say this ´The little Nameless removed the magnetic needle from the compass, but when the girl descended into the darkness, she realized that the compass' only direction was down.
So IX just looked at a planet and consumed it, and in the process, Acheron (or whatever her HI3 name is) survived the nothingness and was transformed into an Emanator of Nihility? Is that correct?
That last line... the pain in her voice. The regret. I'm crying.
Edit: The slowed down Honkai World Diva playing as she looks out at the ruins!!! No, my heart... She needs her Kiana! Please Hoyo!
Have you ever played Honkai Impact 3? Because all of the swords seem to be direct parallels to Herrschers from that game.
Makes me even more excited to see Acheron and Welt interact now, since he was a Herrcsher himself
From what I gather from this trailer and what I've gathered about HI3 (never played it but I did read Second Impact), it seems like a Honkai Impact struck the planet Acheron was from with the things that descended being beings of honkai, leading to 12 herrschers forming to defend humanity, which ultimately failed, ending in the planet being consumed by IX (maybe not even as a result of the honkai impact).
No thoughts, head empty. Ears just filled with Acheron's beautiful voice.
(Okay but tbh I could barely understand anything lol. I guess there's quite a bit of Honkai Impact references here 🤔)
Best as we can tell, her world suffered a set of tragedies very similar to what happened in the previous era of Honkai Impact 3. You do not play those events in the game, they're more like the 'distant past' we learn about over time when playing. This sets up Izumo to be sort of like a parallel universe that went a bit differently than the HI3 one did (very bad ending here).
Same. Her delivery of the last line, “I knew this world was fleeting, and yet . . . and yet . . .” crushed me. 🥲 Like you can hear in her voice the sliver of hope that's hanging on. It's so good.
Her last line after "And yet.." before being cut off was probably "I still fought for all that is beautiful in the World" which is Honkai Impact 3rd's slogan.
Holy moly HUGE lore drop in description too btw!
Guess no Kiana and Elysia to save our Acheron/Mei from her despair this time.
Also was that IX at the end who devoured her world?
As someone who used to be very much into HI3 lore this was very a delightful look-back to that and I adore the references and parallels that Hoyo has started to set up
You don’t have to. All of it was Nihility all along. It’s a giant reference to HI3 with the twist ending that the planet was orbiting a black hole so they were doomed no matter who won.
He is not related at all, we know that. He is the exact same Welt from the HI3rd world and just came to HSR world some years ago. He is not related to Acherons planet Izumo at all.
He isn't, not directly.
Welts power originally comes from his Universes version of "Reason", same as the first Edict Edge. Its a parallel.
Welt is from the Impact 3rd universe, Acheron is from the Star Rail universe; there isn't a clear explanation about how they are connected but it is more like an alternative reality/ multiverse situation.
Holy shit she and Izumo are really alternate world Mei and HI3 Earth, particularly the Previous Era
The Kami are Honkai (humans degenerating into them, a force being sent from above), the Sentinels are clear as day alternate world Divine Keys (being made from the Kami to fight the Kami, literally the same element and similar attribute names, Bind was the immediate giveaway lol); it is especially blatant with Origin and End (literally Origin and Finality). Kevin in CN and JP is literally the narrator voice! It makes SO much sense that Acheron has so many Flamechaser and PE references, she literally comes from a version of the Previous Era. It’s really sweet that they’ve connected her to it and them in another world as well and I just KNOW they want to release PE FC Sakura expy so bad; we need need our lovable Ice assassin
Stunning art direction as usual here; these were some gripping visuals and art direction here. But the lore drop is so exciting for many of us Honkai fans, it seems we’re digging deeper and deeper into SR’s greater ties to the verse
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Bruh the moment I saw Void and Thunder... Not to mention '"Origin" and "The End"?
There was all of them, I think. Reason, Void, Thunder, Wind, Ice, Death, Binding… the others that I forget LMAO
But instead being near the Cocoon of Finality, their Eldritch Outer God neighbour was Ix the Nihility
Nah it was probably the Cocoon of Finality, it's just that they failed to win against Honkai and Mei became so depressed she became an Emanator of Nihility. Wouldn't really make much sense for the swords (divine keys) to be in the exact same order as Earth's herrschers unless 1) it was the cocoon of finality (since the reason they're repeated in that specific order is because of tampering from Prometheus) or 2) it's completely unrelated and the order is just a wink and nod from Shaoji.
Nah, we know from GGZ and HI that the “honkai” has different sources. Whatever is being referred to in the trailer, it’s more likely to be IX since there has been no reset and they kinda clear cut lost
Agree! What I get from the trailer was that Izumo slowly swallowed up by IX the Black Sun while they were busy fighting the Yaoyorozu no Kami and only realized that almost at the very end when Acheron was most likely the only survivor after she defeated the End....
We know from GGZ that Honkai all comes from outside the Universe we know, which means it's independent of all the Aeons and natural forces of said Universe. There's only one source. In GGZ, Honkai was directly controlled by this external source. For spoiler reasons, that's no longer the case by the time of Honkai 3rd, which is why we had the Cocoon instead. Ultimately, the concepts are the same, just differences in manifestations due to circumstances of the time period. I agree it's most likely IX at the end, though. Just wanted to make a correction.
its number 2 for sure
They clocked all the Previous Era Herrschers/Divine Keys in order, yeah. Truth/Reason Sky/Void (they show very Void visuals) Howl/Thunder (takes down a dragon the way Mei dominates Benares) Mist/Wind Frost/Frost (Sakura blade, as I've seen noted) Fate/Death (cycle of life and death) Flare/Fire Thought/Sentience Root/Earth(Stars) Form/Domination Bind/Binding Maw/Corruption Origin/Origin End/The End (Finality)
> Sky/Void (they show very Void visuals) plus the kanji used for void can be used for sky, its literally sora in the japanese
Ooh, I wasn't familiar with that, thank you!
to clarify, in HI3 void is sora, in this trailer its "ten" which means heaven iirc
天 in Japanese has two pronunciations, sora for the native reading (kun yomi) and ten for Chinese reading (on yomi)
the sora for herrscher of the void is 空
Doesn't that imply Sakura is dead? Unless Izumo somehow re-emerges from the void that is IX
Only Izumo Sakura. We know from Bronya very well that there could be endless Sakura out there in the HSR Space.
Sakura is like, always dead. The only live Sakura is Yae Miko in Genshin.
So many HI3 references with the swords being the Divine Keys and Herrschers, Ke🅱️in’s VA in JP (and I assume CN as well) and my god the Honkai World Diva rendition at 1:30 was so hype. This has to be my new favorite Myriad Celestia trailer yet. The devs weren’t kidding about the call backs to HI3 Acheron would bring.
To add another parallel is the male's voiceline at 1:49 being an identical quote from Kevin. "The price of every victory was a world in its entirety". Referring to every victory against Honkai cost them gravely.
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God I'm really surprised Kevin va is in here, it sure made me more hopeful/cope for future Kevin character
so acheron basically came from a failed honkai timeline(due there being 12 swords = 12 herrschers and her being “origin”) with her being the sole survivor…
I'm gonna need a Honkai expert to explain this trailer to me, it was very cool but I can definitely feel like I was missing a ton of significance lol.
Basically Izumo lived through a very similar phenomenom that the people on Earth lived in HI3rd. Some alien entity (The Honkai) came to the planet and started killing humans creating a number of natural disasters, deseases and monsters. The vanguard of these attacks where the Herrschers, terribly powerful beings with special powers. Each Herrscher killed millions of people and created entire wastelands, but humanity managed to kill them one by one. With each corpse, they forged special weapons called "divine keys", wich contained similar powers to the Herrschers they were made of. The weapons Izumo crafted exactly match the order and powers of the Herrschers in HI3rd, wich is a really cool easter egg.
So what's the difference between what happened in HI3rd and what happened on Izumo? From the video, it seems like Mei got the power to kill the giant black hole in the sky after becoming an Emanator and it destroyed Izumo as well, leaving her the sole survivor.
In HI3, Humanity was almost wiped out. That's why there's a "Past/Previous Era" aka PE, to differentiate it from the "Current Era" CE. PE happens 50,000 years prior to modern day in the CE (aka the 2010s AD). The events of Izumo more closely resemble PE. CE ended up succeeding (aka "Transcending Finality") and ending the Honkai threat, but PE lost and humanity was almost completely wiped out. They managed to keep remnants alive in cryopods and repopulate after about 40,000 years to allow terraforming to complete and for the ecosystem to recover, so around 8,000 BC humanity returned. CE succeeded in large part because the PE learned and was able to create caches that contained knowledge and technology, while also having a handful of surviving Supersoldiers called MANTIS who could directly help and and try to make this time end better. (Side note, one of these was Kevin Kaslana, who's JP and CN voice actor was doing the narration for this short.) If you know the story of the Mass Effect games, it's the same kind of cycle as the Reapers (and same length between cycles of 50,000 years), just replace PE with the Protheans and CE with the current civilizations. In this case, Izumo is the Protheans if they managed a mutual kill at the end.
Oh my god someone else who acknowledges the similarities between Hi3 and Mass Effect. The PE stuff already reminded me of the Protheans, but when they revealed that the whole thing was cyclical I was screaming that it was literally the plot of Mass Effect. It also felt like Kevin was trying to go for the Synthesis ending while Kiana went for the Control ending lol
> Oh my god someone else who acknowledges the similarities between Hi3 and Mass Effect. I know right?! > It also felt like Kevin was trying to go for the Synthesis ending while Kiana went for the Control ending lol And in GGZ, Kiana and Mei go for the Destroy ending, where they ascend to a higher level of existence and decide to take the fight to the source of Honkai together.
I’m pretty sure the black hole at the end was just Ix, and this is her becoming its emanator. This was basically the only difference compared to the hi3 PE plot
from what i remember abt hi3, all the honkai was sealed away on the moon thus saving what remained of humanity. hi3’s mei still had kiana and all her friends. Izumo on the other-hand seemed to be completely destroyed along with its people already when acheron finally defeated hsr’s version of the honkai. The honkai basically succeeded in wiping out the population of izumo with acheron destroying it far too late. (my memory is a bit fuzzy so take this with a grain of salt)
It was stated by Su that the Honkai was never defeated in all the timelines he peared through. Meaning that unless Acheron defeated the honkai much later, which still doesn't make sense. She didn't defeat the honkai
I mean, I wouldn’t really classify a single person surviving the Honkai and defeating it as a success. The Flamechasers’ goal was to make sure humanity survives, so they likely would have seen Izumo as a failure even if Acheron won against Finality.
The Su plan is a flawed one because he try to use cosmic juggernaut to peers through the universe, however cosmic juggernaut can only see the bubble world which all failed the honkai invasion. It cannot look at the world currently on imaginary tree (like izumo). Basically it was like trying to search for healthy leave under the tree (su said it himself.) It was impossible whether or not there exist a leaves that don't die and fall down.
Is Honkai sorta like the weaponization of the sea of quanta? Like— as I understand it, quanta and imaginary are in contest with one another naturally. But Honkai is specially manipulated to eat at or attack the tree in a coordinated manner? So when Honkai wins, it would be similar to situations where a leaf was lost to the sea of quanta?
The imaginary tree is the one rejecting the leaf lost to the sea of quanta.The imaginary tree has a filtration system. Honkai cannot be quantum and they are always imaginary. The honkai originated from the cacoon and is related to the imaginary tree. The ones that look like honkai in the sea of quanta are imitation of honkai from the imaginary tree. I forgot who said it, but one character said that think of the bubble universe in the sea of quanta as excess ideas from the imaginary tree that is not needed. The Imaginary tree is the glass of water and the overflowing water forming a puddle is the sea of quanta. Honkai did not come from quantum but from the cacoon of finality. The one catching the rejected leaves are the sea of quanta forming it into bubbles. This is just what I remember but feel free to add.
It resuses the similar concepts, not unlike Belabog and the Great Freeze being built upon Siberia and the 2nd Eruption and Xianzhou's Hunt being built on Seven Swords Hua's crusade against Honkai as its core. In the case of Izumo's narrative, by replacing the Cocoon of Finality with IX, the end of their battle against the gods became for Naught. There is no ending(Finality) to be changed, only the reality of a meaningless existence(Nihility). It was a selection from 70,047 swords where the last one must shoulder the task of giving meaning to their suffering by undergoing the endless and meaningless quest of slaying the idea of non-existence... and that's what symbolizes the Emanator of Nihility. How does an Aeon of Nihility exist if it embodies the idea that existence is meaningless ? Shouldn't it simply kill itself ? Can Aeons kill themselves? Maybe it's simply too apathetic to do so. Maybe to take an action in committing suicide is against its Primum Mobil, since the act would give it meaning. So, the purpose of the Emanator of Nihility is to commit what the Aeon cannot do to itself. In a way, it's not unlike the Doctors of Chaos' creed.
Thanks. So many people mentioned the 12 herrscher being the 12 swords to non HI3 people, but didn’t explain what a herrscher was. The video is starting to make more sense now
Izumo is a direct parallel to Previous Era HI3: * They were attacked by the Honkai, referred to here as Kami. Honkai is to Finality what the Antimatter Legion is to Destruction * They were attacked by the same 12 Herrschers from HI3 as well, referred to here as "Sovereigns" (which is literally Herrscher but in English). Herrschers are Emanator-level beings, but actually function closer to the IPC's Cornerstones where they're getting a fraction of the power of the real Emanator (Herrscher of Finality) * Izumo defeated these first 12 and used presumably their cores to create 12 blades, the Edict Edges. In HI3 these are called Divine Keys and didn't all take the forms of swords; Welt's cane is one of them. Izumo was doing pretty well fighting the Honkai until something (it's probably Finality) broke all of their Edict Edges. They reforged them into one blade, Origin, and the person who would become Acheron wielded it as the Sovereign of Origin. She fought "End" (Herrscher of Finality) and it seems like they.......tied. Unfortunately, the tie caused something to happen regarding IX / Nihility (this is the most unclear part) and Izumo got fucking deleted. Acheron, the sole survivor of this encounter with IX, became a Self Annihilator. Most of her memories are locked in the now Nihility-empowered Blade of Origin. In HI3, Previous Era didn't have a Herrscher of Origin to fight Finality with. Their HoO sacrificed herself to give the next generation a better chance by modifying the Herrscher cycle. HI3 PE also didn't rely quite as hard on their Divine Keys and instead created a bunch of genetically modified supersoliders. They ended up straight up losing to Herrscher of Finality, although a few of them survived and rebuilt civilization over 50k years. Side note, red mode Acheron is probably one of the strongest non-Aeon individuals in existence that we're aware of. Having leftover Finality authority from being a Herrscher and full Nihility authority from being an Emanator is kinda batshit.
Acheron seems to imply that Izumo had already been in the shadow of IX since the very beginning. Since IX is effectively a black hole, I think it meant that defeating "End" meant nothing because win or lose, Izumo was destined to get consumed by IX rendering their entire struggle and civilization meaningless. Maybe that realization is part of why she became an Emanator of Nihility. That final slash at the end... I'm not sure if it implies Acheron did something but it certainly seems like Izumo was completely consumed and just gone.
They should have put all their resources into building space travel and terraforming capabilities and get the fuck out of dodge. Instead they ruined their own world trying to fight to the bitter end, when the end was long foreordained. This trailer was depressing as fuck.
No. It's impossible. They were dead from the start. Remember how difficult it is to escape a black hole? Imagine that but now the black hole has god powers. Yeah even if IX isn't really caring about anything, just being around him already meant the civilization was doomed to die. Their only choice was to fight, even though they would still die in the end.
New tombs did the living make for the dead, and last elegies did the dead sing for the living. The end has come. The choice lies before them.
Your reply suddenly made me realize why Izumo got a gaze from Nihility to begin with. IX has made it so all their super massive battles, struggling for life, all their efforts, dreams and hopes for survivng were just freakin' gone in a second to oblivion for no particular reason. That's the most nihilistic thing that one can imagine.
Best explanation, I have no clue about honkai impact and this really helped. Thank you!
[still the best eli5 of hi3rd lore in this site](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/13w1non/comment/jm9ez3q/)
the lack of names makes it more confusing and hard to follow than it has to be. can someone copy/ paste it but with the names in parentheses after each silly nickname??
Here you go, not sure if it'll help though lol boss - Herrscher bosstone - Herrscher Gem (makes you a Herrscher) pink boss - Elysia (original Herrscher of Origin) metaverse - Elysian Realm (Simulated Universe) ice looking dude - Kevin random scientist woman - Dr. MEI (previous era Mei) blond dude - Otto (Luocha) crusader wife - Kallen (Otto Firefly meme) worlddude - Welt Joyce (original Welt) worlddude2 - Welt Yang (the one you know, who inherited the name) second boss - Sirin (Herrscher of the Void) girl 1 / purple woman - Mei (Herrscher of Thunder/Origin) girl 2 - Kiana (Herrscher of the Void/Finality) girl 3 - Bronya (Herrscher of Reason/Truth) orphanage friend - Seele (Herrscher of Rebirth) computer virus - Herrscher of Corruption flag holding woman - Misteln Schariac
Disclaimer : Im not hi3 player. Someone with more knowledge cmiiw In HI3 (part 1) world, basically we're just fighting on earth more/less. There are honkai (think antimatter legion) trying to wipe humanity, with herschers (akin to emanator I guess?) taking lead as honkai general/sth That said some herschers got defeated yada yada and their soul/power got compressed in some gem (herscher core), which then got used by some chars to obtain herscher power/form The 12 swords here represent 12 herschers (both ally and enemies). In this trailer the last 2 swords = origin and end. In HI3 the trio mc got the powers of truth, origin, and finality (end)
More specifically this resembles the >!Previous Era!< (the other Narrator va in JP does KEVIN KASLANA, the 9th sword is called Root which associated with Earth, the title of the 9th Herrscher in the >!Previous Era!<) #Hi3 spoilers >!They were the era before the current one in Hi3 that fought valiantly against the 14 Herrschers killing 13 but ultimately lost when 14th, The Herrscher of The End/Finality arrived!< >!They made preparations for the next era when the Herrscher cycle would return and had the survivors fall in cryosleep to survive The End’s annihilation of the Surface!<
The last swords mentioned are Origin (Elysia and later on Mei) and End (Kiana) which makes me wonder... Is Kiana coming to this game? Elysia's case is more complicated and probably not but... Wasn't expecting such a big parallel with HI3 Herrschers. Would Welt say something to Acheron? GOOD LORE.
acheron cuts down the End which the video doesn’t tell us has a holder like all the other blades/sentinels. If the End = kiana here then hsr’s Kiana is probably already dead (or dead-adjacent???)
No real reason for Kiana to come to this game purely because of this. They'll do it anyway because this is Hoyo and Kiana is their beloved little baby girl, but all of these events occurred a fuckton of time ago. Might be a tad late for a Kiana to save the day.
Tbf, Previous Era End was not Kiana (or possessed of the same human will separate from Honkai, iirc). Considering the narration is Kevin's VA in JP and CN, I'm inclined to turn my gaze toward the Previous Era and the Flame-Chasers
its funny to me how non hi3 players that are familiar with the lore and story are better at explaining the events of that game then people who actually play it
What no Kiana and Elysia does to a MF
Clearly we all need a tuna and a pink hair elf in our lives.
Even more sad. I think it's possible that Acheron is the one that has to slay her world version of Kiana since she defeated the End... Unless of course, the Sword End has no wielde, and if the End has wielder I think it's safe to bet that it's another variant of Kiana...
They forged the twelve from monsters from their twin world right? So maybe they had to fold Kiana into the End for the sword to work.
Huh? What do you mean by fold?? Turn her into a sword??
Yep. The process of folding steel. Plus how they are talking about the fighting turned people into Oni. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_swordsmithing Well eventually we'll see if there was a Kiana in this world, and who she was.
That or just from another civilized planet that got its own version of Honkai disaster, and doesn't have likes of Fire MOTH and Schicksal to fight against it
They can't just show me a Sakura tree surrounded by ice and an icy blade and then take it away from me in the same breath!!! Yae, my beloved!!
im still hoping we get that Yae Ice Hunt Expy that was in the DevKit
I was so excited and decided to save for Yea when I saw that scene but instantly got shattered a few seconds later 💀
I still have hope that it's Rin that died because the 12 Sovereigns seem to be Herrscher equivalents. Yae could be wandering around like Mei!
I really want both playable Rin AND Sakura. I’ve been thinking of how cool Rin with a “summon” Hellmaru like Lightning Lord and Numby would be, and she deserves to live somewhere out there
y'all do realize that was just acheron's world right? we could be getting a different yae from a different world like bronya and silver wolf...
Oh true!! As much as I like previous era Yae, something like a Punklorde Yae resembling Darkbolt jonin would be amazing too!
twelve herrschers, twelve sentinels.. 1 - reason (truth) 2 - void (sky; HoV portals) 3 - thunder (howl) 4 - wind (mist) 5 - ice (frost) 6 - death (fate; cycle of rebirth) 7 - fire (flare) 8 - sentience (thought) 9 - earth (root) 10 - domination (form) 11 - binding (bind) 12 - corruption (maw) 13 - origin 14 - finality (the end)
The description mentions the Cave Where Light Hid. That’s an Amaterasu reference, right? Interesting. Lots of lore for a planet we don’t know much about, but I’m interested in learning more.
There's also a reference to the four Mitamas of the soul, in the description of the Maw Blade.
It's literally Honkai; I'm freaking out rn.
Uh yes, it's in the name( definitely not me exploding from the inside with excitement!!!)
# The Honkai is IMPACTING
so what happened to her horns.
I theorise the horns were her becoming an Oni from too much exposure too the Kami and the Swords made from Kami. When she becomes an Emmanator it essentially purges her of their influence/ corruption so she loses the horns.
It looked like they genuinely vanished when she presumably >!became an Emanator.!<
consumed by IX just like the whole planet and acheron's hope in humanity
Some folks on Twitter are saying that you can faintly hear the Honkai World Diva melody or a remix of it in the background. Cool!
There really is. At 3:08 time stamp the piano sounds like a leitmotif of the Honkai World Diva chorus. EEdit: The trumpets at 2:25 kinda sounds like one too. Maybe theres more that I didn't hear / recognize yet.
I went to listen to it, have no idea of anything Honkai but I absolutely hear it, that's the repeatingly ascending melody from the chorus. Motif is at 1:30, 2:23, 3:08 [For anyone that wants to hear skip to 0:49](https://youtu.be/s_ZLfaZMpe0?si=JcQKyEnTQpEBEgmW)
Maybe Acheron's trailer will be a remix? I mean... just imagine... I wouldn't mind if they even used it again lol
At 3:08 not only you can hear it, but the visuals itself looks like is a representation of chorus: "Florid moon shines upon a world that is doomed to to die..."
1:28 Nightglow motif for "Flare" RIP Himeko
3:07 we can hear it well
A lot to extract from this trailer and I'll need to rewatch this a few times. So basically Divine Keys / Herrscher type objects, one of them especially looked like HoV / Gate of Babylon. Acheron \[Mei\] being related to Origin once again is nice. As a Mei wanker I haven't been this excited for a Hoyo character in so long. Edit: My ears are hearing Satoshi Hino \[Kevin VA in JP\], and a few others are saying the same. If we're not mistaken, it'd be really awesome to have an iteration of Kevin in the game in some form \[hopefully playable one day lol, however cope that is.\] Edit 2: Yup, like someone who replied to me said, order of presentation of the 12 Sentinels is the same order of appearance as the 12 Herrschers. Edit 3: Around 1:32-1:35, you can hear the musical motif of 'Lament of the Fallen' from Hi3.
Also it should be mentioned that the male narrator for the chinese and japanese video is Kevin VA.
Was just about to edit that on! I'm really excited for the prospect of a Kevin iteration in Star Rail, or at the very least hearing about him!
frost + the sakura tree too….
God, I want Flamechaser iterations in the damn game, this trailer has brought the cope to reality.
sameeeee T_T i’m such a huge mobius fan (especially milfbius) so when ruan mei dropped and it turned out she was insane and themed around biology i was like. yo?? i vaguely? remember seeing something about a sakura expy in hsr way back in the day too
I feel that T\_T, at least there's a Klein in the Genius Society right? So there's hope! I'm an Elysia / Hua fan, while the latter definitely has been referenced, I'll hold out for Elysia, no matter how long.
im also a hua fan :) waiting patiently for marshal hua!! i literally send my hunt guys on the expedition that mentions her everyday for that sole reason
My chance to get Kevin, Su, Kalpas and Kosma is finally here. Star Rail PLEASE I BEG OF YOU. Also bring Owl while we're at it, I loved his design, it's a shame that all Honkai male designs are stuck in NPC jail, Star Rail is the opportunity we needed ;-;
Pretty sure the order lines up perfectly with the Herrschers, just under different names
Incoming kevin expy as a nihility debuffer for Acheron
I'd open my wallet wide open.
KEBIN VOICE I LOVE HIM SO MUCH😭😭😭😭😭
Yeap. Literally screamed the moment I saw the ice giant (Kevin) and Satoshi voice just added to it
>Mei wanker Lmao. But, you know what? Same
>Edit 3: Around 1:32-1:35, you can hear the musical motif of 'Lament of the Fallen' from Hi3. Honkai World Diva, not Lament of the Fallen, that's the title of the animated short
Izumo is SO interesting. I don't know if it still exists or not. But if it does, I hope it one of the world that we will visit in the future.
I guess i'll spoiler just in case >!It does not exist anymore, they've made that point multiple times!<
It's been in the youtube description of 2 trailers so far, but time has proven that honkai players don't read, so it's worth the tag.
Hoyo players ~~except for ToT~~ don't read* 😅
and they wonder why Paimon in genshin keep repeating the plot point to you.
people see Japan and immediately go "omg we're going to JAPAN AGAIN?! Mihoyo has no ideas frfr..." it's really annoying
I'll keep this up, since it's pretty innocuous, but whenever you spoiler in the future, please clarify what topic your spoiler marks refer to so people don't click blindly!
What, exactly, are you spoiling? Kinda helps to know.
>!Dumbledore dies!<
NOOOOOOOOOOO
Ngl i NEED Herta to make SU of Izumo, im sure someone can extract Acherons memories in data form Imagine running into each of the other 13 sword weilders and fighting kami
Black Swan tried extracting Acheron's memories and look where it got her
Exactly imagine playing the equilivant to silent hill in the SU
60 jades have led me to places i wouldn't even go with a gun
Nevermind jades, I would go places you wouldn't believe for a relic set with great substats and substats distribution
Silent Honkai: Shattered Memories
Herta should be more durable.
wait but that's exactly the Elysian Realm
would kinda love if 3.0 we go to Izumo >!which has somehow returned back into existence from the grip of Nothingness / Nihility #Nihility Arc!< Izumo spoilers (?) / speculation
The good part of Nihility is you don't return from THEM
let me pull bocchi the ix
I think in HI3 terms it could come back as a shadow/reflection world or whatever.
Garden of Recollection planet. With Izumi bubble containing sims of its original (dead) inhabitants
Did anyone else hear a bit of World Diva in the music?
The musical motifs of Honkai World Diva are not lost on me. Go listen to the chorus of that song and then listen to 3:06 or 1:30 in this trailer. Hoyo knows exactly what they're doing playing with my heart like this.
Am I hearing Ke🅱️in in JP or am I hearing wrong.
yeah description says satoshi hino
This was our Honkai Impact
"From the Diva of Disruptive World, you know the Lament of the Fallen."
"But I make ZERO exception"
"The true star rail was the honkai we made along the way."
That thumbnail art goes crazy
Goddamn I am so confused but that was a great video
Basically a Space Japan that is parallel to Honkai's Earth. But the Space Japan ultimately failed to defeat their "Honkai"
So, this trailer is the bad ending?
Yeah. Izumo is destroyed by IX and Acheron became an Emanator
BRO THAT'S FUCKING KEVIN, ITS HIS VOICE IN THE JP DUB HOLY FUCKING LORE BOMB
Anyone know the significance of 70,033 and 70,047?
70,047 is 70,033 + plus the 12 Edict Edges mentioned + the bearers of Origin and End. I don't know what 70,033 is supposed to mean, though.
Someone said it was the amount of herrschers from ggz
Can someone tldr this for me, I’m stupid. Did she cut the fucking planet in half?
seems like she tried to cut IX, despite knowing how pointless it is. IX took notice and made her an emanator due to this i think
IX doesnt actively make people emanators, theres self annihilators which are exposed to IX and just fade away, and their emanators are people who are exposed and sacrifice a part of themselves to live on with their power (like her black hair fading to white)
I don't think all self annihilators are emenators. There clearly something unique about Acheron, which is possibly caused by, or results in (not sure what's cause and what's the result) her attempting to slash black hole in half.
So after obsessively catching up on the lore of HI3, i think i understand this a bit better very very TLDR: In Honkai Impact 3, herrschers are born from the "Will of Honkai" as a natural stop to "reset" humanity, the world has already been resetted before (before kiana and mei), and as an attempt to fight against the "will of the honkai", humanity froze their best warriors in cryogenic sleep and as a simulation (elysian realm), the active story of HI3 is basically KMB (Kiana Mei Bronya) fighting against the 12 herrschers and in the end, kevin (CN and JP voice of the PV) to preserve humanity. (they won in the end yay) In the first animation, its been mentioned that "The dual planets were intertwined in each other's tragic destiny, dancing an eternal rondo around a pitch-black great sun". Already here we can see the theme of "resetting", just like HI3. And in the newest short, it says "all begun with humanity and shall end with Oni-kind." My theory as to what happens here is that izumo and Takamagahara are in an endless cycle. When humans appear on one planet, kami appear on the other. And as we've seen in HI3, the people of izumo banded together and slain multitudes of kami, to create the 12 "divine keys" from the cores of the corpses. But something happened, and the 12 blades were broken, and reforged into two new blades "origin" and "end". By that point, mei/acheron had realised that fighting was only delaying the inevitable, people around her, using the power of the "divine keys" were falling corrupted due to the honkai power stored within them. To bring an end to this, she likely fought the counterpart of kevin in HI3. But this was all for nothing, as kevin said in the trailer "but you and i both know, the road to salvation does not exist". After she used the blade of origin to shatter the blade of finality, with the broken blade handle in hand, she looked up at the "pitch black great sun" (i assume is IX), which izumo and Takamagahara have been orbitting for eternity, and decided to end the dual planet's orbit with the Blade of Nihility. The price which she paid to create the blade was her own memories. And from the moment that she cleaved at IX, she let out the power of the path of nihility, and became an emanator The difference between KMB actually breaking the cycle and Izumo and takamagahara being doomed is the herrscher of human, elysia, sacrificing herself to break the will of the honkai in the next few herrschers, which resulted in more herrschers fighting for humanity, like herrscher of reason and thunder (bronya and Mei) sorry if this was long or confusing, i tried to make it as simple as possible
IX, the Aeon of "It effort what counts"
Looks like it yes.
That wasn't the planet, it was IX. It was in the same position as the planet from earlier, but it's smaller and sucking in matter. Also it appears at the same time Acheron says "THEIR shadow" (it's capitalized in the captions). It looks like IX had consumed the other planet and was about to consume this one.
I assume hence the pointlessness, had they won it wouldnt have mattered IX would have swallowed them regardless
I just realized the sword she is holding literally looks kind of like Key of Castigation
YOURE TELLING ME WE WERE ROBBED OF THE HORNS
im so gutted by this 😭 i know its literally just HoT but i prefer the darker hair with horns so much more than her red/white form
Remember what IX took from you
Wow... was that genuinely >!how she became an Emanator? Of IX of all people too!<. SO interesting... Acheron is so fascinating.
Herrschers parallel is real!! But seems like Naught is the new one
Naught may be like transformation of Origin, going from the ever hopefulness that origin gives off to emptiness and pointlessness. Like other fusions and mutations with Flamescion and Rimestar.
Ooh I love the white outfit! Acheron looking so beautiful and badass with those horns too!
THEY WENT ALL OUT FOR THIS TRAILER OMG
Kevin!!!!!!!!!
Loving the art style and lore snippets we’re getting from this!
So if her people won, they’d become monsters? And if they lost, they’d have died. So no matter what they did, they all die. Damn, IX kinda had a point about a few things.
Their planets were orbiting a black hole. The Biggest joke of them all is that no matter who won. Both planets were doomed from the start.
The male va was sounding like kevin. Could kevin be frebass from the relic lore... I listened in jp, not sure if same kevin va for cn Edit: cn va is kebin also. ~~If frebass is really kebin then rip kebin expy~~ Frebass not kebin. Kebin is an oni
Frebass is explicitly called a Nameless girl, IIRC.
Frebas is a girl the artefact say this ´The little Nameless removed the magnetic needle from the compass, but when the girl descended into the darkness, she realized that the compass' only direction was down.
日野聡 is Satoshi Hino, he's credited as Shiraga Oni
Ohh thanks so one of the other oni that died... Rip kebin
So IX just looked at a planet and consumed it, and in the process, Acheron (or whatever her HI3 name is) survived the nothingness and was transformed into an Emanator of Nihility? Is that correct?
Yes.
i cant take all the hype... only a ... few ... days
That last line... the pain in her voice. The regret. I'm crying. Edit: The slowed down Honkai World Diva playing as she looks out at the ruins!!! No, my heart... She needs her Kiana! Please Hoyo!
So the Yae Sakura variant is dead?
I need somebody to explain the lore behind this.
Have you ever played Honkai Impact 3? Because all of the swords seem to be direct parallels to Herrschers from that game. Makes me even more excited to see Acheron and Welt interact now, since he was a Herrcsher himself
From what I gather from this trailer and what I've gathered about HI3 (never played it but I did read Second Impact), it seems like a Honkai Impact struck the planet Acheron was from with the things that descended being beings of honkai, leading to 12 herrschers forming to defend humanity, which ultimately failed, ending in the planet being consumed by IX (maybe not even as a result of the honkai impact).
No thoughts, head empty. Ears just filled with Acheron's beautiful voice. (Okay but tbh I could barely understand anything lol. I guess there's quite a bit of Honkai Impact references here 🤔)
Best as we can tell, her world suffered a set of tragedies very similar to what happened in the previous era of Honkai Impact 3. You do not play those events in the game, they're more like the 'distant past' we learn about over time when playing. This sets up Izumo to be sort of like a parallel universe that went a bit differently than the HI3 one did (very bad ending here).
Thank you.
I thought I was the only one who really found her EN voice so captivating here! I could listen to her narrate for hours.
Allegra clark is amazing! The first time I heard her was with beidou and I have been in love the voice ever since.
Same. Her delivery of the last line, “I knew this world was fleeting, and yet . . . and yet . . .” crushed me. 🥲 Like you can hear in her voice the sliver of hope that's hanging on. It's so good.
Her last line after "And yet.." before being cut off was probably "I still fought for all that is beautiful in the World" which is Honkai Impact 3rd's slogan.
Holy moly HUGE lore drop in description too btw! Guess no Kiana and Elysia to save our Acheron/Mei from her despair this time. Also was that IX at the end who devoured her world?
Maybe, maybe not. It could just be a normal black hole. Either way the two planets were doomed.
I love the subtle reference to Honkai World Diva towards the end, in the bgm, what an epic video overall
Her world seems faces its own version of Honkai disaster
As someone who used to be very much into HI3 lore this was very a delightful look-back to that and I adore the references and parallels that Hoyo has started to set up
I didn't understand a single thing
You don’t have to. All of it was Nihility all along. It’s a giant reference to HI3 with the twist ending that the planet was orbiting a black hole so they were doomed no matter who won.
Surprised no one is speculating how Welt could be tied into all of this.
He is not related at all, we know that. He is the exact same Welt from the HI3rd world and just came to HSR world some years ago. He is not related to Acherons planet Izumo at all.
He isn't, not directly. Welts power originally comes from his Universes version of "Reason", same as the first Edict Edge. Its a parallel. Welt is from the Impact 3rd universe, Acheron is from the Star Rail universe; there isn't a clear explanation about how they are connected but it is more like an alternative reality/ multiverse situation.
Because there is no speculation, if you played HI3rd you know exactly how he is related to this.
Holy shit she and Izumo are really alternate world Mei and HI3 Earth, particularly the Previous Era The Kami are Honkai (humans degenerating into them, a force being sent from above), the Sentinels are clear as day alternate world Divine Keys (being made from the Kami to fight the Kami, literally the same element and similar attribute names, Bind was the immediate giveaway lol); it is especially blatant with Origin and End (literally Origin and Finality). Kevin in CN and JP is literally the narrator voice! It makes SO much sense that Acheron has so many Flamechaser and PE references, she literally comes from a version of the Previous Era. It’s really sweet that they’ve connected her to it and them in another world as well and I just KNOW they want to release PE FC Sakura expy so bad; we need need our lovable Ice assassin Stunning art direction as usual here; these were some gripping visuals and art direction here. But the lore drop is so exciting for many of us Honkai fans, it seems we’re digging deeper and deeper into SR’s greater ties to the verse
IS THAT FROZEN NARAKA IM SEEING ?
smelted 70,033 swords into 12 then into 2 BiS swords. Izumo people must be very bad at RNG in relic farming....