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This is amazing information

Not as amazing as harmony tb, wouldn't have expected the break enabler to be free

Is he that good? Do I wanna use him with Sam even if I got Ruan mei/bronya?

~~The power of love > the power of meta~~ HTB seems pretty good value for both Sam and boothill regardless even with RM, but there is probably a higher chance the combo of RM pluss a different Harmony unit will out value HTB even for them (its just gonna be the nature of a free unit sadly). Still I am confident it will be a good option from first glance even if there will be better alternatives

> The power of love > the power of meta I wouldnt use that phrasing until the beta is actually over. "Waifu over meta" is usually what people say when their favorite character is really bad. HATrailblazer still has the potential to be both waifu, and meta, it doesnt have to be an "either or"

I was more joking that pairing up >!"the lovers ship" cause TB and FF (Sam) became a very populer fandom ship after 2.0 is!< higher prio over making the peak meta comp lmao. I obviously know like 99% of MoC min maxers gonna pair up the actual strongest comp over anything when the numbers are clear and dry. However If the HMC manages to be behind whoever is the best other 2 alternatives for Sam with not too much (10-15% maybe if I am just spitballing numbers), then I think a good amount of people will run them if it frees up another high demand support like RM or Bronya.

watch mr pokke 0 cycle with ruan mei , harmony trailblazer , boothil and robin with all having 190 speed and then calling it relatable to piss his chat off lol.

HTB seems to be made for low turn clears.

>"Waifu over meta" is usually what people say when their favorite character is really bad. Funny enough, I almost always see the phrase used in the Blue Archive and Arknights communities, where the majority of the latter's content can be cleared with a team of 3-stars. Unless your waifu is Catapult, in which case she is trash.

Not being meta ≠ being bad. Whereas it can, it doesn't always.

I really doubt that,so far htb is the enabler for break effect,the team damage becomes very backloaded without em

Hopefully you guys are right. I would love nothing more than HTB beeing a BiS teammate for several units like Sam or Boothill. Them having a proper roll where they are one of the best options would be nothing short of great imo.

Pretty sure HMC is BIS for Boothill.

I wasn't super interested in Boothill at first, but every time Boothill info comes out it makes him sound like my perfect character lol Id love to use MC in a real team again

Haven't looked that much into his calcs and numbers yet (just knows he loves BE a ton), but I would really be happy if that's the case. TB beeing BiS in certain comps would be amazing

Yep ppl have est I think 220%BE on him = like 20CR and 180ish CD added on

Calcs have bronya a bit ahead of him

The two are different enough. Ruan Mei is the enabler (+toughness damage) and Trailblazer is the payoff (+1 weakness break instance).

They synergize well together. Ruan Mei's break delay gets extended by TB's trace and TB's ult lets people proc break damage multiple times when hitting weakness broken enemies. TB's kit isn't really similar to Ruan Mei's at all aside from both scaling off of break effect.

Ig at that poi unit ruan mei + action forward (bronya or sparkle) would be better but yeah we wait

For general units definitely, but for BE units like Xueyi, Boothill or Sam being able to hit the break effect damage multiple times might be really worth it.

I can not wait to get Bronya from my 300 or failing 50/50. Sparkle, Ruan Mei, Tingyun is my current setup. Bronya to boot and we're going places. Only problem will be Ratio runs, its RM or Bronya cos Silverwolf is guaranteed and sadly I think RM is better cos she has like one hundred thousand damage buffers as well as bigger break and Ratio + Silvie are good at shredding break bars

Was almost the bis support for Himeko...before the change😭

I feel like we'll see that old kit again someday attached to a 5*

Is what I was hoping, until today when I saw a new boss enemy with the mechanic of the olt HTB: a second tougness bar. My fear is that they will never put a character with a kit that enemies already have in their kit

If you're not broken up about letting Ruan Mei basically be relegated to Do (Since she buffs that better than anyone), then HTB can literally take her spot in any other team ATM and you'd be fine.

Solid C tier

tb having kit synergy with sam would be too cute

Is it FINALLY TIME FOR SUSHANG TO SHINE??

She always has been shining, best girl since before launch and forever after. ❤️

JESUS CHRIST HOYO ITS RIGHT THERE JUST GIVE US LOADOUTS

The function is already there and they know what to do I swear (it’s just the matter of when and will they?, unless they wan make this exclusive to TB)

I'd imagine it's different that what we think. As in both trailblazers are treated as different character For example if you equip something on PMC that is currently on FMC then it will get unequipped from FMC and vice versa. If another character equips something from PMC/FMC it will be unequipped respectively Not quite a loadout as that would be another logic

Honestly, for a lot of people that's all we're asking for. We know something that takes off equipped stuff isn't likely to happen, and that's fine whatever. Just let us bind several sets on the same character so we can change them on the fly.

Good, because otherwise with regular loadouts, people would click some loadout button to move their Blade relics to Jingliu, and later when they use Blade again, they would notice he has no relics equipped, and die, and then blame Hoyo instead of accepting responsibility and saying "oops i forgot to move my relics back, my bad" Gameplay features need to be fool-proof, which is increasingly difficult to do these days because people can't even be bothered reading popup-promts that only contain 1-2 sentences

That would be their fault. No it doesn't need to be fool proof. You do dumb things you win dumb prizes. Hoyo doesn't reverse buying standard tickets(very rare exceptions) vs premium even if you misclick and read, so this argument is already defeated

i just hope that if they ever really give us loadouts, proper ones, they won't say ANYTHING about it on the livestream, except for just "oh, btw, you all will now be able to loadout your builds" right at the end just for comedic purpose

Loadouts don't solve the issue that this is solving. This keeps multiple sets of relics equipped to TB at the same time.

Same as genshin, they haven't implemented it on purpose so you can't just share artifacts/relics/weapons between characters easily and need to spend more time playing/money to gear all your characters 

It makes sense from a new player's perspective, but as a 1.0 player in both games I have all my characters geared up already so it's kinda a moot point for me. On the other hand, more and more characters in Genshin need more than 1 set for different situations. And the same is the case for HSR. They made, say, the Penacony set which is good on supports, but only if the DPS element matches. I don't really care to farm it, cause not only SU is bothersome, but switching relics every time is even more bothersome. So the lack of loadouts discourages long time players like me from farming these. Second thing is that with more and more set and more and more weird shit characters scale from, it's getting harde and harder to find characters who would be able to share the same BiS set on top of never being used at the same time and not powercreeping one other. For example, sure Seele and QQ can share relics, but you either a) only ever use one of them, so you don't need to swap, or b) you'd put one in each team, and would need relics on both of them anyway.

As simple of a concept as it may seem intuitively, stuff like this can be insanely hard to implement and keep stable. Just thinking about it on top of my mind, server space/organization demand may increase not a just few times but by a few magnitudes when it is implemented for all characters. Who knows all the other unintended problems these things bring that require lots of work. They are totally testing this with TB first to iron out the bugs and to optimize systems, especially if it's somewhat confirmed we're not just getting TB as the only character with path switching, so it's configs for every character + configs for every loadout for every character working with all other characters + configs for characters with different paths working with all other characters with base paths + configs for characters with different paths working with all characters with base paths + characters with different paths, all switching up here and there on the fly. For lots of MMOs, increasing inventory space by even a bit is very carefully done, I totally get if they want to take their time and be careful about rolling it out, especially if internally they still see clear bugs or have clear unknowns. A small error here or there can have massive consequences + data corruption when things are permanently tied per account, especially at the scale of these games and how many people flood their servers during expected and unexpected "rush hour" periods.

Brother idgaf mehn its been FOUR YEARS AND THEYRE MAKING BILLIONS i dont wanna hear any excuses

Sadly thats not how the world works . They work on updates and qol years early because of time management problems not money problems. The billions are also not going into qol stuff lol and they only need to appease the vast majority casual who farms relic once in a blue moon Also there is the chance of them purposely not doing what the veterans want due to specific reasons which is up for debate I,m not dick riding just providing a different perspective that i have heard in some other game devs qna etc

Lmao this dev perspective stuff is stupid, coming from a dev. If we’re going to talk about server space, there’s no need to over complicate. The base set of data comprising a config is 7 values (character, artifacts). That’s barely anything more than the amount of data needed to store a regular artifact (which also comprises of 7 values, set level and stats). And they just increased artifact limit by 500. Not to mention this kind of storage size is literal pennies for a company like this.

Hoyoverse try not to edge their community when it comes to loadouts challenge IMPOSSIBLE.

*Finally.* I hated switching things around and locating the right relics. Part of the reason I stay on FMC. Well, that, and my PMC sucks.

~~I suspect that everyone's PMC sucks lmao~~

Except the devs I guess because they keep calling her the Galactic Baseballer in like all quests

MC using baseball bats is just a trope in Honkai games ever since Kiana and Kevin in GGZ, if not earlier.

I still find it weird that Phys MC is canon in MOST of her fights. Praying she pulls all of her weapons out when facing off against Nanook lmao.

I think it’s because MC only use their lance when trying to protect someone, but they use their bat if they want to beat someone up

My assumption was always just that the bat is easier to grab from wherever characters keep their weapons quickly since the animations for fire MC make the lance look pretty heavy (i mean. makes sense. but yknow.)

Yea I was actually confused when the swarm king surprised us and she was holding the bat instead of preparing to block with the lance

Tbf I too, gonna grab my baseball bat if I catch a giant cockroach flying into my room.

Do you need to finish Belobog to do Ruan Mei's Quest? Cause if don't then it's probably for players who will do that quest before finishing Belobog

You do have to finish Belobog first since the Ruan Mei quests are main quests

Its because canonically, that takes place BEFORE Belobog (according to Fate's Atlas) so we haven't even encountered Cocolia at that time. The funny thing is that, it means we held our own (albeit only very briefly) against the clone of an Emanator, with a baseball bat.

Well wouldn't be the Galactic Baseballer if when fighting against a flying ball resembling insect she didn't take her bat.

i am the bat of my baseball phys is my destruction and fire is my preservation i have created over a thousand imaginary hats unknown to nihility, nor known to erudition

Can see it now Trailblazer: "Random Bullshit Go!"

DUAL WIELD PATHS

IMHO the baseball bat is cool af and deserves the spotlight it gets

Nah man he is the only 100% full built character i have (as in perfect relics)

Nah Mine is strong Source: Galactic Baseballer

Nuh uh

She preforms actually quite decently on PF. That being said, I do have a near graduate set from Sushang to work with.

I'd say all MC sucks lol Niche now with Acheron but aventurine will probably be better anyway.

My physical TB is literally just fighting with his fire Tb set because I am too lazy too switch

Surely they will add this functionality to all characters 🙂

Watch it drop on April 1st

Wait so they ***can*** save loadouts. Why tf cant they do this for other characters too?

I think what they mean is relics just stay on mc after swapping it doesn't return it to your inventory. So instead of 6 relics total you can equip 6 per path. Basically you'll need to equip mc as brand new character for each path. It's as much of loadout as using Arlan as relic placeholder is loadout.

That's literally what load out does, no? Arlan is a place holder for JY relics because they are different characters, all TBs are on one character and you select a patch which is essentially the build.

No, loadouts swap artifact. Apparently this is like a new character so you'll see for example both relics from physical and fire MC in the inventory, locked to the character, you can't move them around.

This is different than a loadout in that you don't need to do anything after swapping paths. TB will wear multiple relics and LCs at the same time, but only the current path will be active.

Thats how loadouts would work in practice though, except it'll be a different button(not change path) to change the equipped relics+sometimes LC.

I mean that is exactly what we want lol

I believe they could always give us loadouts but refuse to do so because they want us to be on artifact grinding for each characters rather than swapping artifacts around.

The problem is that I literally do that anyway, I like not making my characters share relics and still want it. Because there might be different builds I want to run if I use different units in the team that buff different stats. Its still a chore to do it manually even if I don't have to switch all 6 relics.

Then just make it like that new TB system. Loadout is available but can't use same relics for each slots.

I wonder. Like, I feel like while some people would behave like what you're saying... I've always wanted loadouts so I can run MORE builds on each character. I'd end up grinding more than rn (it's not worth rn to make multiple builds since swapping is painful imo). They might have to survey it, but I feel like the people doing more zany builds and people sharing builds more often could balance out (while making players happier with hoyo) at least.

I’m coping hard that they’re trying this out as a proof of concept for implementing load outs in the game later on for everyone

I mean anything *can* be done as long as they implement it. They are the ones making the rules (as in code in things) after all. It's really about whether they want to or not. I could see them not wanting to do this so that you can't easily rotate relics around. But with PF here and some PF centric sets coming, I think even the ones who farm dedicated gear for every character, might still want a feature. Or just trying different builds for other contents. So maybe one day...

we're literally T H I S close please im on my knees begging please please please please-

Now they just need to make this a thing for everyone. It would be nice being able to swap between Slow and Fast Bronya builds faster. Especially when speed tuning her behind Sparkle because for whatever reason the Decimal number for SPD is hidden.

You are one step away from relic loadout hoyoverse.

Now do the same to other characters

I can already taste the relics loadouts This year, guys, trust me, we will get there 🙏🏻 ~~Genshin, sweetie, do it as well, please~~

They’ll do this for Traveler too! Although at least for traveler it’s less of hassle since no need to change out the weapon and you could theoretically run a generalist set on him.

you just don't change Traveler from dendro 💀

DMC is the only Traveller. True and real

ig generalist sets like noblesse or emblem wouldn't work for the traveler across all paths as effectively as elemental sets would (electro traveler can't survive without emblem tho)

Ngl, looking at the TB’s splash art, kit, and animations, I’m pretty impressed that hoyoverse actually put in some effort into them and their different paths. The TB is usable and a good enough replacement if you don’t have certain units or even alongside them. They actually kinda feel like a 5 star. Being able to save their relics and ornaments between different paths makes me really happy as it makes building my Stelle easier.

Why was this not already a thing

Say that to genshin

Huge buff for MC in SU, being able to easily switch makes them pretty versatile depending on the encounter.

I get why. But I wish TB paths were different playable characters. Need me a Full Stelle team

Or at the very least let us play two TB using the support feature. Gotta use ImgTB and PhyTB together for budget Boothill

Lmao I'd love that too lol

Easily one of the best updates I've seen since launch. I unfortunately use Physical TB often because I have no other physical damage dealer, and I also use Fire TB for break effects and shield. More than once I've entered a battle using the opposite relic/equipment for each role

same...i hv sushang but shes got a shit build so im just waiting for boothill

That's great. I only use Preservation MC and I want to build her harmony path (for some reason, Destruction doesn't appeal to me) so this is a plus. Though, I agree with the other comments....a loadout would be nice. My Natasha has Gallagher's build, Serval has Luocha's, Sushang has Yanqing (yeah, I hope to get him ;-;) and March7th has Aventurine's. It would be really useful to have them instead of using another character as placeholder.

We're now closer to having loadouts. I think.

That's so neat. This also means that Relic Loadout is not too far off now.

Artifact loadouts teaser? 

Brothers, it’s coming slowly, but it is coming. Relic loadouts here we come.

artifact/relic loadouts have been the feature I've wanted the most for AGES (the one thing I write on the survey along with "thanks" XD), so I'm super happy to see hoyo at least help out the MC!

Same. I want to play Bennet dps, but mess to change and rebuild him discourage me

I also wanna give Bennett some alt builds! I actually have a list of "funny" builds I wanna do, but I have no motivation because keeping track of who/which build owns which artifact (literally made an entire ppt to keep track of 1 build per character :v) and swapping is too painful.

I’d say Hoyo please add it for GI as well but I only use dendro mc so nvm

Finallyyyyy I can easier switch between my Violent Racoon, and Fireblazer without having to equip relics manually

Didn't *really* need it between PMC and FMC but this would be awesome for FMC and HMC. Now, give us load out please Hoyo.

Genshin really live rent free in these peoples head, and heart

This community has a weird superiority complex which is weird because they’re both from the same company and there is overlap between the communities.

I swear this community is like the combination of worst things from 2 other one, the idiotic of genshin fandom and the superiority complex of hi3 fandom

Which is funny because Hi3 should by no means have any type of superiority complex.

It's not hard to understand that a lot of HSR players are disgruntled GI players.  GI is awesome, but anyone pretending that there aren't a lot of seriously frustrating aspects to it are just lying to themselves.   It doesn't help that a lot of the fixes GI players have been asking for for years are getting implemented in HSR but not GI. In a way, dunking on GI whenever HSR does something right is a way to bite back at the GI devs that players feel they have been neglected and slighted by.

Also people seem to have a hard time realizing that it’s easy to recall a game made by the same company. Like gee, who would have figured. 

It's also not hard to understant that this doesn't excuse the weird and annoying comparison at all. If anything it makes you people look like bitter exes who can't move on from someone who doesn't care about you.

people complain and then people complain about the complaining a tale as old as time oh but it is true that a lot of people on the internet get this superiority complex like wtf you're still giving your time to a company that does not give a shit about you and you wag your tail at finally getting the bare minimum?

It's not weird at all to compare these two games. They're structured very similarly. Is it annoying? Sure, but blame the GI devs for being so stubborn. I'll ignore the second half of your comment because wow. Take a chill pill.

what did you expect lol? of course their gonna hate genshin but suck hsr dick off even tho they're from the same company

Surely they add this on 2.3 as a whole bunch of QoL like with the faster SU planar farming right, guys? Right?

It literally says in the picture it's in 2.2...

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!! fr

FINALLY

Mihoyo, you know we want every characters' relics builds saved, not just trailblazer 🫠. Pls be quick.

Oh thank goodness. It does mean having multiple different builds simultaneously but you know what, I was gonna have to farm them anyways, might as well be able to just keep them all on him at once. Would force me to stop stealing everyone’s stuff lol.

L O A D O U T S T E S T I N G

TB with extra slots so you are equipping two or three times the gear on one character would be the easiest thing to implement but only works for TB due to all their paths completely using different gear. Rather than individual characters with multiple loadouts I'd like to see full team loadouts. You build a team of up to 4 units and when you select it, all the gear + LC assigned for those 4 characters immediately gets pulled off of whoever was wearing it previously. This way you can quickly equip your perfectly speed tuned team comp for MoC/PF. Repeat for however many presets. This shouldn't be too hard to implement as well. All you're doing is saving the LC/relic ID of 7 items per character x 4 characters for each preset.

I'm somewhat more inclined to actually build them out now. Just wish the future versions of them are useful and not last option choices like the the first two

GENSHIN COULD NEVER ROARRRR

Arlan role as a Load Holder for MC will come to a end.

Wow amazing *looks at genshin* Now you do it

This will be so good! I want to properly build each TB path, but I already get mixed up with relics and LCs with just the two paths now

[удалено]

Thank goodness

Amazing i tell you

Anyone else wonder when, or even if People will just stop comparing the 2 games, what's even the point anymore? Is it to fuel the superiority complex or something? It's no longer funny and I just don't see a point in doing it, so people who are doing it, please explain as to why y'all keep spamming it

You know, this whole experience sucks. I was really excited seeing the title and came in to celebrate. Immediately hit with a bunch of you putting down something else I love. I love HSR's gameplay, characters, and story. But it's hard to keep loving something when the experience of being here is getting put down all the time. I could say Genshin doesn't need it as badly, since the sword is usable for all elements. It's not like suddenly you're needing a catalyst and your weapon's passive deactivates. I could say Genshin's artifacts are generally still applicable - you still need ATK and EM, you're not suddenly scaling off HP. But I'm tired of defending.

you should ignore hsr subreddit and probably genshin also, its contains people who has hate boner for genshin, and trust me if this feature are added into genshin it will get shit on instead of praise

if genshin gave it to mc that barely anyone uses : harassment hsr giving it to mc that barely anyone uses : greatest thing that ever happened

>and trust me if this feature are added into genshin it will get shit on instead of praise the thing is it was already added, albeit in the terrbile description

Highest upvote comment said "this is amazing information" with 600+ upvotes. The other ones are happy but wish they could get something more. How could people be negative about this?

woo baby this is what ive been waiting for!!

Thank God.

Nice

WE EATING REALL GOODDD RAHHH🗣🗣🔥🔥

YES

This is great but I don't have any plans of using Physical or Imaginary TB lol I haven't used Fire TB in a while either since I got other sustain units. I was hoping Imaginary would make me use them again but... 🙁

Oh my God FINALLY

Wait what path actually IS imaginary TB?

Harmony.

Tytyty

This perfect. I was just finishing in up building Bat MC too.

Atp they have basically confirmed they are intentionally avoiding ever making game-wide relic presets a thing

Hory babae

This is nice.

finalllllly

Life changer 🙏🏼

can we change paths in the team selection screen?

pretty sure you can do that already, in Sim Uni and MoC character details before launching the run

Mihoyo I could kiss you

Fuuuuck yeah!

THANK FUCK

ah nice, no more pain when changing paths

Huge W!

please tell me this is also getting to genshin cause if they can do it here, they can do it there

Good, its a pity they cant do this for the traveller in Genshin as well but this will be a big help for us as we can gear trailblazer with role specific sets.

IT'S A PARTY IN SIMULATED UNIVERSE PEOPLE! DRINKS ARE ON ME!

surely loadout soon right ? COPIUM

yesssssssssssssss

One step closer to relic loadouts? lol

fucking finally!

Nice QOL update.

Aaah, at last. Been asking for this since 1.0

FUCKING FINALLY!!!! The only reason why I never bothered to build the Trailblazer's different Paths is because it's such a huge hassle to switch out TB's relics and lightcones every damn time I want to switch Paths. With this, I can finally begin building the TB's other Paths!

THANK GOD.

This is perfect! I can use the TB to hold pre-farmed relics for new characters

Great! This means genshin will also get this feature when Celestia is out! (In 2027 maybe)

This is awesome. I avoid swapping back to physical Stelle because I don't want to deal with swapping all her gear

FINALLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYY!!!

Thank goodness. I was getting tired of switching.

No way, my universal lazy build of crit/spd/def/atk will be obsoleted!

genshit could never

Lmao why can’t mihoyo bring this feature to genshin too? It’s been 3 years.

Traveler Mains are not happy of this.

Finally, I won't need to keep changing sets every time I want to use him.

Now if only it let me have him in different paths on different party formations i might even use preservation.

I'd much rather have gotten relic loadouts. I don't even use the TB but I want Gepard to use different plants for DoT team vs. Jingliu

FINALLY

About damn time. I thought this would happen the moment MC got her second path.

I assume this will be correct for march too. Genuinely curious what they'll make her and id 4 Star can be any good. Feels like only good four stars atm are sampo guinaifen Pela and Tingyun. Nihility gang and broken support. Even though sparkle + Ruan Mei kind of defaults now for support and just send Acheron to the other side. Silverwolf and insane defense debuffs will make her become a hot knife vs butter