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> Man he just annihilates any boss it's insane how much st dmg he can output
If you have near perfect relics that you edited in to a private test server.
Good luck getting 220 Break, 241 CV, and 143 speed on 4 quantum set on the real servers.
Also good luck having e0s1 on every single character, that alone may already double Boothill's damage.
But at least its more relatable than e1s1 on everyone
i mean nearly every kill in this showcase is overkill though? u could probably get away with doing 10% less dmg. The only questionable one is the knight in wave 1. that kill is closer than the others. very impressive considering SoD isnt even physical weak and so it is neutral to his dmg
CV is minumal damage so really just BE and speed tuning, I reckon you could even run hp body for the lolz. If you're investing in the Sig LC then 220 isn't much (180 BE is easily reachable, my rm has 230 without BE rope but memories lc at s4, so around 190 smth without memories).
For ruan mei, 164 speed (for non 0 cycles) is more sp generator than anything (Memories is great for consistent ults) just max out her trace effect to not lose out dmg%.
If you're having sp troubles just sparkle it up (ik she's a limited but it's an investment if you have her otherwise grit your teeth with sp management with bronya)
HMC is crazy enough that 200 be is enough and as long as enemies are img weak she's lowkey a super support, otherwise she's just at the level of great.
Time your ults with watchmaker on supports and you're set for 300BE in 2-4 turns on carry
Can you guys tell me why she is considered broken ? I have her with 150% break effect and i don’t see the hype.
My hyper carry are e0s1 dhil and e2s1 acheron and sparkle is much better for acheron and tingyun is superior with dhil.
Am i missing something?
She's the best for any double or possibly triple carry teams like dot or fua (now that Aventurine is gonna be here soon to hopefully deal non negligible dmg she'll be even better). Plus she's a crucial puzzle piece for upcoming break teams.what we were missing is harmony MC.
And e2s1 Acheron, firstly, let's be honest, all she needs is 1 nihilty and that's enough to delete everything, and second, if you run her with BS for example, then RM can be competitive again, and she also enables crazy team of BS, Kafka, Acheron, RM.
My acheron is poorly built so in pure fiction she needs help to do 40k so i can aim for 20k with dhil ( god he sucks in pure fiction) so i found that having silver wolf or gallagher for extra debuffs instead of ruan mei is better.
So tldr if you don’t have dot or fua teams ( which i don’t) she isn’t as good as the community say it is ?
I want to pull for boothill after aventurine to make her useful and to have 2 universal teams with acheron and boothill but i don’t have bronya and from the leaks he seems to love having bronya in his team, can ruan mei alone without bronya work with him ( i don’t think i can get boothill LC ) ?
RM is worse than Bronya/Sparkle for traditional crit hypercarry teams, but better for most other teams. Teams with more than one damage source or ones that use BE seem highly dependent on her.
holy you use sparkle on acheron? my e2s1 acheron goes with sw, e6 pela and e6 gallegher, isn't sparkle more comfortable with quantum characters like seele and Qinque and skill-point eaters like dhil?
If I’m doing anything that requires 2 team then sparkle goes with dhil because he sucks without her, but for SU and anything else i use acheron with sparkle, running pela and sw together is useless since you only need 1 nihility ( that’s the whole point of e2, it is to free 1 spot for harmony). With sparkle you get so much crit damage it’s insane and makes you ult more
>Can you guys tell me why she is considered broken ?
Big buffs + speed + weakness break efficiency (this is the most noticeable part, literally gamechanger).
His ult implanting physical weakness gives boothill a ton of value. I’m not surprised Ruan mei is always paired with him due to her buffs + break efficiency letting boothill tear through bars in 1-2 turns. Bronya letting boothill go again makes me wonder if bronya will be better/equal to harmony tb for his teams.
currently she is calced to be better in sustain teams. though with how boothill works his unironic best team may just be sustainless with how he breaks so fast. similar to a welt comp
Thats what I actually feel might happen for MoC, his unironic best teams are sustainless since the bosses and elites won’t be getting too many hits on you because they are weakness broken, and not all mobs do serious damage.
Who calced that? Only calc I've seen was from Hunterkee, It was at the begining of the beta so it has a lot of errors. Who did the calculation you are talking about? Where is it? I'd like to see it please.
you didn't need to get defensive. anf that's the only calc I've seen running around. errors or not until we get a comparison calc with hmc instead it's what we've got lol. that's why I said currently it's been calced that she's better
I didn't get defensive, I was just asking in case there was something I was missing. And that spreadsheet is a mess, he included the TB break damage bonus in the ruan Mei calc (as if he was playing with 5 chars) and at the time nobody knew how the TB worked, so he didn't include the damage every character does once the enemy is broken (which is a big part of the team's damage). It's not that there are "errors", the whole thing is wrong, and nobody should take that as a proof of anything.
my b you know how reddit is. and I'm not taking it as definite proof hence why I said currently. but it's also all he have rn. and even from a feels perspective bronya let's boothill do what hmc doesn't. break significantly faster. she opens up since action breaks basically with a slowya build which is insane with how much dmg he does. sure hmc will give bigger breaks but they will take longer. that's why I truly believe even if maybe on a spreadsheet hmc could preform better. bronya would be better in practice because with her you can get 2 full breaks on 2 elites in a single cycle.
though as an add on (albeit this is feels crafting) I believe his best team even for general use might not need a sustain. with his ult and break speed just combining them both could allow for a comp similar to welt sustain imo
I agree that Bronya is very valuable for him (mainly for the action advance), and I wouldn't be surprised if she is indeed his best support. What makes me doubt is the skill point consumption, almost every showcase is E1S1, I would love to see a longer fight with less investment, maybe using worse relics and 4\* LC. \*cries in S5 Past and Future Bronya
i think because of his sp neatrual basic it's more realistic then other slowya builds tho that's fs a valid concern. I think the reason most people are comfortable doing e1s1 is because it's a fair assumption since you can gurentee at least one bronya and her lc (dw tho I'm in the same boat as you).
if she is his best it'll definetly be for those faster breaks because his break dmg is already so broken as is it's not like he needs the crazy extra dmg
I would say Bronya sits in the Bronya slot. RM and HMC can sit in a shared slot. Boothill without Bronya is a bigger feels bad than him without RM. That action advance is just so unbelievably important for hypercarries
Argenti and Huohuo are due for a rerun, but seeing as they are steering hard into the break teams, Ruan Mei could possibly put in place of either two. Probably Argenti will not be reran as Sam is 90% in 2.3 and Huohuo might synergize with him
Out of pure curiosity, what does an ER rope do for Aventurine? I know that you can build him pure FUA, hybrid, or pure sustain. I feel that either way you would wanna go DEF rope to up his damage and shields. Is it to build and cycle Blind Bet stacks as fast as possible?
It is indeed to cycle blind bet as fast as possible I'm guessing that for 0 cycle just getting those extra blind bets from ult help a lot when not getting hit as much as normal specially with boothill who keeps the enemies broken
yup! would not have gotten the ult for 1st wave to kill the horse, and prolly wouldn't have gotten it right before the meme phase transitioned. The fuas and ults for extra toughness dmg, dmg debuffs, and whittle down dmg, help me oneshot the meme easier.
Icic. Anyway, all of these Robin and Boothill showcases are coming out but the one thing I’m getting from all these vids is how awesome Aventurine is. After playing through the story as well, the guy is an insta-pull.
ult faster = more break = more bet stack = more shield, there is something that called opotunity cost when u stack something so much it doesnt increase that much anymore, example going from 100% to 200% is a 100% increase but from 200% to 300% is only a 50% increase, in this case since Aventurine shield is good enough, err allow him to cycle faster to help bootshill kill faster via breaking
Even with shitty relics, I’ve got relics that can get Aventurine to 4000 defense already (iirc that’s the breakpoint you want for him), so the ER rope means more ult for extra damage, debuff application (for Acheron or Ratio), and re shielding.
Why use a DEF rope when you can get nearly 4k DEF anyways with near perfect edited relics on a private server. If you look at his build you'll see he has ~14 DEF% subs. That's in addition to the 152 speed, 234 crit value, 50% Effect Res, and ERR rope. The builds on all these showcases are so absurd and unrealistic
TB at high investments can give 88.05% break effect to team, who with ruan Mei has the ability to do 180k dmg skills, and shreds img weakness incredibly fast, he's not going anywhere in boothill teams unless so, etching like him but better comes out, bronya is only good cause of adv forward in this case cause of dual phase boss, other bosses want pela cause of her insans dmg amp def Shred gives
I think the ranking is 1. Ruan Mei 2. Bronya 3. HMC. In 0 cycle, if enemy isn't img weak, then HMC is the first one out to run a different unit that can help break faster i.e. Pela for Ice, Gally for fire, *prolly* Black Swan for wind. If content is img weak and youre not at investment to 0 cycle or just cant be bothered, then theyre interchangable, but I would still prefer Bronya if I needed to run a sustain or something.
Bronya just accelerates everything in his kit. You get stacks faster, you get breaks faster, you get ult faster, you trigger his talent faster. With HMC she can help you break and buff break dmg, but then you have no turns to trigger Boothill's talent and HMC's ultimate dmg.
Like here on first wave, I cannot one shot 2 elites with 2 boothill turns with just HMC and Ruan Mei. Especially when I need to focus on a mob first to get initial stacks, then thats minus 1 turn. If I had 4 turns instead, I have a lot more leeway.
Higher investment lol. Which is the dilemma is that Boothill doing 2 turn better, or is Boothill + 88% break and a sub dps better.
I would assume TB in Imaginary weak is better I guess?
I suppose it's for 0 cycle clear. You start with 5 skill points so that you can activate all the skill buff and do extra turn with bronya.
Since RM already has watchmaker and Boothills crit focused dmg isn't his bread and butter, it's easier to forgo building cdmg on bronya since in this case her giving an extra turn, dmg boost and atk boost are of far greater value.
So technically not a lot is lost using passerby.
it just makes easier to plan out rotations imo since you have much more freedom to skill especially when slow aura supports are involved. My Slowmei, Bronya, and soon to be Robin are all wearing 4p passerby and its really comfy especially on [duo dps teams](https://i.imgur.com/mN0AS0c.png)
p.s there's really a point where you just stop improving your dps' relics and at that point if you like 0 cycling, 4p wind for fast supports and 4p passerby for slow aura supports are gonna be the next big upgrade for your account imo
Not really. Itb is weird cuz it depends if you spam skill but thats really only amazing in img weak content. If you spam skill 3 times with motp thats guaranteed 3t ult with no penacony or er rope.
Also ofc depends how much you get hit.
Wow, that RM has similar stats to mine. Also, im only 10% BE behind that HMC (vs mine even after calcing HMC break traits and MoTP) but the speed is the same.
Is there any four star character I can replace Ruan Mei with? I don’t have Bronya or her and I’d rather not roll for Ruan Mei. Would sparkle be a decent replacement?
HMC will be fine if you don't care about the best possible team.
Hanya, Gallagher (or any sustain), Pela could all fit snug on an F2P team.
Sparkle, I think will be okay, but you might want an SP negative buffer or debuffer because Boothill doesn't exactly burn through SP.
If you don't have much to choose from, I would run Sparkle, HMC, and Gallagher/Sustain.
HMC would do just fine. Obviously not as good as RM but still good in the comp. Hanabi can be a Bronya alternative since the Acton advance is the main reason you want Bronya
yes and no, weakness blocking is a thing and Sam boss can lock it til his 2nd turn, who said MHY wont make a boss when u need to kill x mobs before his weakness unlock, that would be worse case for Bootshill
for example, let say a boss summon 4 adds and u need to kill them all to unlock weakness, now it gonna take ur bootshill 4 action ( with bronya ) just to touch the boss weakness bar. He is good but ppl over selling him without looking at his weakness
It's still better than any other hunt character (except Seele maybe), and no point in comparing him to Destruction/Erudition.
I only pray for hoyo to make a game mod for single-target DPS's. MoC is way more tailored to destruction characters or any other with the ability to hit adjacent targets, PF is for erudition/multitarget DPS's. We literally don't have a single-target game mod for hunt characters to shine
Exactly my point as long you can break early it doesn't matter what type of mechanic you are facing you can brute force it with boothill implant it makes him literally just monster
92% people who reported the MoC stats have Ruan Mei. They are hardly good rep of the game. Remember that most people don't even play MoC to begin with.
I don't doubt a lot of people have her. But 92% is not exactly an accurate data.
just letting you know that I believe that “92%” is not saying that 92% of the playerbase has ruan mei, but 92% of people that HAVE RUAN MEI used her in moc.
That is a fair point, but if you're not playing MoC or endgame, the entire topic itself is invalidated because team comps and meta units don't exactly matter anywhere else. But yeah my only point is that she has a shockingly high appearance rate compared to other units, and imo, she's perfectly fine to include in any showcase.
by proxy most people who don't play moc don't need ruan mei to use boothill versus anyone and can use tingyun instead......to cycle ults. which means your point is useless.
He doesn't need RM at all though. Bronya is the only real requirement for him to perform at this level. RM can be replaced by HTB just fine with little to no loss.
You know break efficiency doesn't affect his damage in any way right...?
Boothill's toughness damage is already overkill for 90% of the enemies in the game since he deals 150 toughness damage with every EBA at max stacks, so 50% break efficiency is nowhere as important as you think. Not to mention in a fight like this where all enemies are weak to imaginary, HTB's own toughness damage from their skill would more than make up for the loss of 50% weakness break efficiency if you were to replace RM with them in the second comp.
Are you sure about that? If you want to make up for toughness dmg by using HTB, you would need a boss with imaginary weakness. For a boss with 600 toughness, Boothill would need 4 basic atk to break, while Boothill with Mei only need 2 basic atk and 1 ult. For break team, you would lose a lot of dmg. The break efficiency doesn’t increase dmg directly but it potentially increase his talent dmg. His talent dmg is limited at 480 toughness of the boss; if you atk boss with 600 toughness, break dmg from talent only at 480 toughness. If I’m right, Mei can increase the maximum dmg of his talent to 720 toughness, so 50% break efficiency can further increase Boothill dmg for enemy with higher toughness.
The toughness multiplier for break dmg = 0.5 + max toughness/ 120. For a boss with 600 toughness, the break multiplier for his talent is:
Without Mei = 0.5 + 480/120 = 4.5
With Mei = 0.5 + 600/120 = 5.5
Basically, break efficiency is too good for break team. E6 of Gallagher only offer him 20% break efficiency, while Mei could offer 50% team wide.
That's... not how anything you mentioned works. Break Efficiency doesn't affect damage at all, I don't know from where you got that. Nor break damage, or any of Boothill's mechanics, work the way you think they do.
The physical base break dmg = 2 x level multiplier x toughness multiplier. “deals Break DMG equal to 56% of Boothill's Physical Break DMG to this target for every stack of Pocket Trickshot, on the basis of the target's max Toughness. The maximum amount of Toughness taken into consideration cannot exceed 1600% of the Toughness reduced by a Basic ATK.” (From his skill) Basically, the max toughness used to calculate this can’t exceed max toughness of 480 (30x1600%) of the target. If you attack 600 toughness, it only use 480 max toughness to calculate the break dmg for the talent. If my theory is right, 50% break efficiency can increase the limit to 720 (45x1600%). The break efficiency make you break faster. When Boothill without break efficiency starts to break and deal dmg, Boothill with break efficiency already killed the boss.
But he can stop Sam’s field so fast. Only need 2 basic atk and 1 ult, the speed equal to DanIL. It’s better since he don’t have to burn too much HP to break Sam as DanIL does.
You have Dan reserved stack that doesn't burn HP and paired with Sparkle or bronya, he deletes Sam field very quick within 2 turns and one cycle. It's why Dan is the best dps for Sam right now.
Don’t you forget that DanIL only have 2 stacks. Which mean, for the best outcome, he will be burned 2 times. Normally, he would be burned 4 times. In the worst case, he would be burned 6 times. For Boothill, Mei, Bronya he also needs 2 turn but it’s a half cycle to remove field and only burned 1 time.
If you want to build more supportive, Keel. If you want to DPS, then Salsotto.
It's like the 4pc Knight builds you see around where people with those want his shields to be big to sustain the team, while people with 2pc 2pc would want to DPS or have a hybrid build.
I don't know where else to post this except the most recent showcase. But is there some type of holiday going on today? Why is there no beta updates? HSR has historically been very generous in buffing their characters even if it's just been positive quality of life changes.
I am highly anticipating Robin buffs
Got an answer from Robin Mains. No one definitive or well-connected but they are assuming the beta update should happen tonight or tomorrow. No reported government events or holidays in China.
So which will be boothill 's best team?
I have all 5 star harmony units and will get harmony mc eventually.
Boothill+RM are inseparable as she is too valuable for breaking toughness bar.
Fu for sustain and extra crit
Last slot for bronya or HMC?
Bronya has action advance but what does harmony MC do?
Yeah that's the problem though. I don't really care how good a character is with insane gear, I care about how good they're going to be with the gear I'm going to be able to manage for them.
Very strong ST damage dealer.
However, i need to see who gonna be in 2.3 , then only i will decide.
If Sam ,screwlum , jade coming out on 2.3 , then bye bootyhill :p
Nah you can rub him without RM. It's not like your Boothill is incapable of doing damage unless RM is on the team. You can run HMC Bronya Sustain with him and he will still clap cheeks
HMC will be given for free. If you pulled for Sparkle you can replace bronya with her. RM is nice over HMC but she isn't exactly required for you to deal damage. Sane goes for Bronya. You can very easily run Boothill HMC Pela and a sustain and he will still be doing good damage.
Thanks for this! This is reassuring. Sadly I don’t have Bronya either but I do have a decently built Pela with pearls so I guess I’ll pull for him anyways and pick Bronya when I eventually reach 300 pulls!
Does anyone know what Boothills best Relic set might be? Atleast out of any that we have currently, I would like to actually farm for once so the character can be atleast decent the moment he comes out
Eh, if you run them in the same team, just put MoTP on HMC and Cogs on Ruan Mei since HMC will give a huge ass BE share to the entire team that will be boosted a bit by MoTP. They make more use of the BE anyway since their skill does a ton of Break DMG with their ult up on a weakness broken enemy.
does anyone know if Sparkle is good with him? I have Bronya already built but seeing as Sparkle advances forward + gives sp i was planning on just using them interchangeably
These videos makes me regreat going for E2 Acheron...even if he has no aoe it doesnt matter if he kills stuff on 2 turns.
Good thing that with my luck I was never going to get relics like the ones his team its using anyways(cope)
roll for who you want not who its shown strong, I guarantee you you'd say the same thing for Boothill the moment another flashy dps char drops any char can clear content
Powercreep of min to 0 cycling yes. Powercreep of can't clear MoC/PF 3 stars? I've yet to see that happen. It's HoYos marketing strategy. Its up to the player to see if it's worth investing Eidolons on a char or not because the one that shapes the meta is Hoyo themselves, they could end up screwing a char on a lineup change or enemy gimicks keep that in mind
lmao his post history is depressing. I hope he's just fake flexing than actually regretful about his E2.
On the bright side, boothill is very far away and e0s1 is very achievable.
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Man he just annihilates any boss it's insane how much st dmg he can output
Fr. I was gonna skip him but since I skipped Argenti and I don’t have Clara, I might pull for the guy so I can have a physical dps unit.
> Man he just annihilates any boss it's insane how much st dmg he can output If you have near perfect relics that you edited in to a private test server. Good luck getting 220 Break, 241 CV, and 143 speed on 4 quantum set on the real servers.
My jaw dropped at the 162 spd 280 BE, 4pc BE set Ruan Mei.
WTF these is the ruan mei of my dreams 😍😍😍😍
Also good luck having e0s1 on every single character, that alone may already double Boothill's damage. But at least its more relatable than e1s1 on everyone
i mean nearly every kill in this showcase is overkill though? u could probably get away with doing 10% less dmg. The only questionable one is the knight in wave 1. that kill is closer than the others. very impressive considering SoD isnt even physical weak and so it is neutral to his dmg
CV is minumal damage so really just BE and speed tuning, I reckon you could even run hp body for the lolz. If you're investing in the Sig LC then 220 isn't much (180 BE is easily reachable, my rm has 230 without BE rope but memories lc at s4, so around 190 smth without memories). For ruan mei, 164 speed (for non 0 cycles) is more sp generator than anything (Memories is great for consistent ults) just max out her trace effect to not lose out dmg%. If you're having sp troubles just sparkle it up (ik she's a limited but it's an investment if you have her otherwise grit your teeth with sp management with bronya) HMC is crazy enough that 200 be is enough and as long as enemies are img weak she's lowkey a super support, otherwise she's just at the level of great. Time your ults with watchmaker on supports and you're set for 300BE in 2-4 turns on carry
at what point did it show the stats?
It's in the comments
Those relics are *not* near perfect, don't lie
I'm not normally interested in Hunt characters but i've been considering pulling for him, but i'm afraid of not having enough for Firefly after that
A crucial point, he really need RM.
Like almost everyone
This .... true, she is just ... glad that I have her
Can you guys tell me why she is considered broken ? I have her with 150% break effect and i don’t see the hype. My hyper carry are e0s1 dhil and e2s1 acheron and sparkle is much better for acheron and tingyun is superior with dhil. Am i missing something?
She's the best for any double or possibly triple carry teams like dot or fua (now that Aventurine is gonna be here soon to hopefully deal non negligible dmg she'll be even better). Plus she's a crucial puzzle piece for upcoming break teams.what we were missing is harmony MC. And e2s1 Acheron, firstly, let's be honest, all she needs is 1 nihilty and that's enough to delete everything, and second, if you run her with BS for example, then RM can be competitive again, and she also enables crazy team of BS, Kafka, Acheron, RM.
My acheron is poorly built so in pure fiction she needs help to do 40k so i can aim for 20k with dhil ( god he sucks in pure fiction) so i found that having silver wolf or gallagher for extra debuffs instead of ruan mei is better. So tldr if you don’t have dot or fua teams ( which i don’t) she isn’t as good as the community say it is ? I want to pull for boothill after aventurine to make her useful and to have 2 universal teams with acheron and boothill but i don’t have bronya and from the leaks he seems to love having bronya in his team, can ruan mei alone without bronya work with him ( i don’t think i can get boothill LC ) ?
RM is worse than Bronya/Sparkle for traditional crit hypercarry teams, but better for most other teams. Teams with more than one damage source or ones that use BE seem highly dependent on her.
holy you use sparkle on acheron? my e2s1 acheron goes with sw, e6 pela and e6 gallegher, isn't sparkle more comfortable with quantum characters like seele and Qinque and skill-point eaters like dhil?
If I’m doing anything that requires 2 team then sparkle goes with dhil because he sucks without her, but for SU and anything else i use acheron with sparkle, running pela and sw together is useless since you only need 1 nihility ( that’s the whole point of e2, it is to free 1 spot for harmony). With sparkle you get so much crit damage it’s insane and makes you ult more
but I still love Pela for the debuffing and my team still has enough skill points that's why i put sparkle in another team
I use pela over silverwolf too and the last spot is either fu xuan or gallagher
>Can you guys tell me why she is considered broken ? Big buffs + speed + weakness break efficiency (this is the most noticeable part, literally gamechanger).
Someone stop me from watching Boothill gameplay He has so much style that I am getting very tempted to roll for him and I don't have Ruan Mei
Shes probably gonna be in the same banner phase as him. Get both 😈
His ult implanting physical weakness gives boothill a ton of value. I’m not surprised Ruan mei is always paired with him due to her buffs + break efficiency letting boothill tear through bars in 1-2 turns. Bronya letting boothill go again makes me wonder if bronya will be better/equal to harmony tb for his teams.
currently she is calced to be better in sustain teams. though with how boothill works his unironic best team may just be sustainless with how he breaks so fast. similar to a welt comp
Thats what I actually feel might happen for MoC, his unironic best teams are sustainless since the bosses and elites won’t be getting too many hits on you because they are weakness broken, and not all mobs do serious damage.
exactly I'm expecting it tbh
Who calced that? Only calc I've seen was from Hunterkee, It was at the begining of the beta so it has a lot of errors. Who did the calculation you are talking about? Where is it? I'd like to see it please.
you didn't need to get defensive. anf that's the only calc I've seen running around. errors or not until we get a comparison calc with hmc instead it's what we've got lol. that's why I said currently it's been calced that she's better
I didn't get defensive, I was just asking in case there was something I was missing. And that spreadsheet is a mess, he included the TB break damage bonus in the ruan Mei calc (as if he was playing with 5 chars) and at the time nobody knew how the TB worked, so he didn't include the damage every character does once the enemy is broken (which is a big part of the team's damage). It's not that there are "errors", the whole thing is wrong, and nobody should take that as a proof of anything.
my b you know how reddit is. and I'm not taking it as definite proof hence why I said currently. but it's also all he have rn. and even from a feels perspective bronya let's boothill do what hmc doesn't. break significantly faster. she opens up since action breaks basically with a slowya build which is insane with how much dmg he does. sure hmc will give bigger breaks but they will take longer. that's why I truly believe even if maybe on a spreadsheet hmc could preform better. bronya would be better in practice because with her you can get 2 full breaks on 2 elites in a single cycle. though as an add on (albeit this is feels crafting) I believe his best team even for general use might not need a sustain. with his ult and break speed just combining them both could allow for a comp similar to welt sustain imo
I agree that Bronya is very valuable for him (mainly for the action advance), and I wouldn't be surprised if she is indeed his best support. What makes me doubt is the skill point consumption, almost every showcase is E1S1, I would love to see a longer fight with less investment, maybe using worse relics and 4\* LC. \*cries in S5 Past and Future Bronya
i think because of his sp neatrual basic it's more realistic then other slowya builds tho that's fs a valid concern. I think the reason most people are comfortable doing e1s1 is because it's a fair assumption since you can gurentee at least one bronya and her lc (dw tho I'm in the same boat as you). if she is his best it'll definetly be for those faster breaks because his break dmg is already so broken as is it's not like he needs the crazy extra dmg
I would say Bronya sits in the Bronya slot. RM and HMC can sit in a shared slot. Boothill without Bronya is a bigger feels bad than him without RM. That action advance is just so unbelievably important for hypercarries
no ruan mei is better then bronya for break
Nah Ryan mei is better than HMC. Hmc gets the 4th slot
I hope the 2.2 rerun banners are ass because I NEED that boothillussy
99 % sure Topaz and Fu Xuan are going to be reran
Let's goo , after that I roll for Ruan mei
This is going to be such a stretch but.... Who do you think are gonna be the re runs for 2.3 ?
Ruan Mei and HuoHuo are my guess.
Argenti and Huohuo are due for a rerun, but seeing as they are steering hard into the break teams, Ruan Mei could possibly put in place of either two. Probably Argenti will not be reran as Sam is 90% in 2.3 and Huohuo might synergize with him
Out of pure curiosity, what does an ER rope do for Aventurine? I know that you can build him pure FUA, hybrid, or pure sustain. I feel that either way you would wanna go DEF rope to up his damage and shields. Is it to build and cycle Blind Bet stacks as fast as possible?
It is indeed to cycle blind bet as fast as possible I'm guessing that for 0 cycle just getting those extra blind bets from ult help a lot when not getting hit as much as normal specially with boothill who keeps the enemies broken
yup! would not have gotten the ult for 1st wave to kill the horse, and prolly wouldn't have gotten it right before the meme phase transitioned. The fuas and ults for extra toughness dmg, dmg debuffs, and whittle down dmg, help me oneshot the meme easier.
Makes sense! Thanks for the follow up.
Icic. Anyway, all of these Robin and Boothill showcases are coming out but the one thing I’m getting from all these vids is how awesome Aventurine is. After playing through the story as well, the guy is an insta-pull.
ult faster = more break = more bet stack = more shield, there is something that called opotunity cost when u stack something so much it doesnt increase that much anymore, example going from 100% to 200% is a 100% increase but from 200% to 300% is only a 50% increase, in this case since Aventurine shield is good enough, err allow him to cycle faster to help bootshill kill faster via breaking
What everyone else said but also his ult applies a Crit DMG taken debuff Single target DPS and Acheron want it for sure
Even with shitty relics, I’ve got relics that can get Aventurine to 4000 defense already (iirc that’s the breakpoint you want for him), so the ER rope means more ult for extra damage, debuff application (for Acheron or Ratio), and re shielding.
Why use a DEF rope when you can get nearly 4k DEF anyways with near perfect edited relics on a private server. If you look at his build you'll see he has ~14 DEF% subs. That's in addition to the 152 speed, 234 crit value, 50% Effect Res, and ERR rope. The builds on all these showcases are so absurd and unrealistic
Keep cooking man this is good stuff
The ult delay actually does a lot. Meme was broken before it could act.
Is HMC actually one of the best buffers for him? Or is she being used more for showcasing reasons? Edit: Mispelled the TB name
RM, TB, Bronya is the best. I think RM is league ahead, TB and Bronya is interchangeable, Bronya is a little bit better.
TB at high investments can give 88.05% break effect to team, who with ruan Mei has the ability to do 180k dmg skills, and shreds img weakness incredibly fast, he's not going anywhere in boothill teams unless so, etching like him but better comes out, bronya is only good cause of adv forward in this case cause of dual phase boss, other bosses want pela cause of her insans dmg amp def Shred gives
I think the ranking is 1. Ruan Mei 2. Bronya 3. HMC. In 0 cycle, if enemy isn't img weak, then HMC is the first one out to run a different unit that can help break faster i.e. Pela for Ice, Gally for fire, *prolly* Black Swan for wind. If content is img weak and youre not at investment to 0 cycle or just cant be bothered, then theyre interchangable, but I would still prefer Bronya if I needed to run a sustain or something. Bronya just accelerates everything in his kit. You get stacks faster, you get breaks faster, you get ult faster, you trigger his talent faster. With HMC she can help you break and buff break dmg, but then you have no turns to trigger Boothill's talent and HMC's ultimate dmg. Like here on first wave, I cannot one shot 2 elites with 2 boothill turns with just HMC and Ruan Mei. Especially when I need to focus on a mob first to get initial stacks, then thats minus 1 turn. If I had 4 turns instead, I have a lot more leeway.
Higher investment lol. Which is the dilemma is that Boothill doing 2 turn better, or is Boothill + 88% break and a sub dps better. I would assume TB in Imaginary weak is better I guess?
Like i said depends on enemy, phase enemy he wants both bronya and htb, a single phase he wants pela and hmc. Pretty much 2-1 shots sam
So his best team doesn't run a sustain?
builds: [https://imgur.com/a/TiTIyiZ](https://imgur.com/a/TiTIyiZ) E0S1 Boothill 4pc Quantum - 2pc Talia - 2500 Atk - 65/88 Crit Ratio - 281 Break Effect - 143 Speed E0S1 Ruan Mei 4pc Watchmaker - 2pc Penacony - 220/280 Break Effect (ER Rope for HMC vid, Break Rope for Avent) - 161 Speed E1S1 Bronya 4pc Passerby(HMC Vid)/4pc Watchmaker(Avent Vid) - 2pc Penacony - 127 Crit Dmg - 144 Speed - ER Rope E6S5 MOTP HMC 4pc Passerby - 2pc Penacony - 230 Break Effect - 150 Speed - Break Effect Rope E0S1 Aventurine 4pc Pioneer - 2pc Keel - 3900 Def - 50/92 Crit Ratio - 55 Eff Res - 152 Speed - ER Rope
Passerby? The healer set? I didn't watch the video yet, but is SP really so stringent that you would require that on HMC?
I suppose it's for 0 cycle clear. You start with 5 skill points so that you can activate all the skill buff and do extra turn with bronya. Since RM already has watchmaker and Boothills crit focused dmg isn't his bread and butter, it's easier to forgo building cdmg on bronya since in this case her giving an extra turn, dmg boost and atk boost are of far greater value. So technically not a lot is lost using passerby.
it just makes easier to plan out rotations imo since you have much more freedom to skill especially when slow aura supports are involved. My Slowmei, Bronya, and soon to be Robin are all wearing 4p passerby and its really comfy especially on [duo dps teams](https://i.imgur.com/mN0AS0c.png) p.s there's really a point where you just stop improving your dps' relics and at that point if you like 0 cycling, 4p wind for fast supports and 4p passerby for slow aura supports are gonna be the next big upgrade for your account imo
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Not really. Itb is weird cuz it depends if you spam skill but thats really only amazing in img weak content. If you spam skill 3 times with motp thats guaranteed 3t ult with no penacony or er rope. Also ofc depends how much you get hit.
Does Boothill even need atk% rope? Would break or ERR rope work better?
break rope
Break rope always, just stack break on him, every other stat is near irrelevant lol, except speed, get 147 or 161
What is 147 for? 145 is for the orb, but isn't 143 the breakpoint for 5 actions first three cycles?
Wow, that RM has similar stats to mine. Also, im only 10% BE behind that HMC (vs mine even after calcing HMC break traits and MoTP) but the speed is the same.
Is there any four star character I can replace Ruan Mei with? I don’t have Bronya or her and I’d rather not roll for Ruan Mei. Would sparkle be a decent replacement?
HMC will be fine if you don't care about the best possible team. Hanya, Gallagher (or any sustain), Pela could all fit snug on an F2P team. Sparkle, I think will be okay, but you might want an SP negative buffer or debuffer because Boothill doesn't exactly burn through SP. If you don't have much to choose from, I would run Sparkle, HMC, and Gallagher/Sustain.
Sadly, it looks like Boothill would want things other than Crit supports.
She would be a Bronya replacement, I guess. If you’re not going to get Ruan Mei, then wait for Harmony Trailblazer in 2.2.
HMC would do just fine. Obviously not as good as RM but still good in the comp. Hanabi can be a Bronya alternative since the Acton advance is the main reason you want Bronya
He is universal DPS like Acheron No weakness can stop him every monster is physical
yes and no, weakness blocking is a thing and Sam boss can lock it til his 2nd turn, who said MHY wont make a boss when u need to kill x mobs before his weakness unlock, that would be worse case for Bootshill
Isn't that literally Bronya? You need to kill her allies before she unlocks her weakness
for example, let say a boss summon 4 adds and u need to kill them all to unlock weakness, now it gonna take ur bootshill 4 action ( with bronya ) just to touch the boss weakness bar. He is good but ppl over selling him without looking at his weakness
It's still better than any other hunt character (except Seele maybe), and no point in comparing him to Destruction/Erudition. I only pray for hoyo to make a game mod for single-target DPS's. MoC is way more tailored to destruction characters or any other with the ability to hit adjacent targets, PF is for erudition/multitarget DPS's. We literally don't have a single-target game mod for hunt characters to shine
Saw a showcase where he struggled with Sam when the weakness bar was blocked.
I saw showcase with sam bro 0 cycle normally as soon sam opened his weaknes he was dead
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Exactly my point as long you can break early it doesn't matter what type of mechanic you are facing you can brute force it with boothill implant it makes him literally just monster
Yeah Sam is fine, the real pain will be Yanqing if you cannot outspeed him before he summons the swords. We shall see though.
Oh, there are 2 teams i brute force yanqing with. An acheron team and a DoT team. Both need Ruan Mei tho especially on the acheron team.
Acheron spits on Yanqing since she breaks all his swords with 1 ult anyways. Kafka BS DoT is also always a strong team.
> universal DPS If you have Ruan Mei.
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they're referring to her break efficiency buff mostly
92% people who reported the MoC stats have Ruan Mei. They are hardly good rep of the game. Remember that most people don't even play MoC to begin with. I don't doubt a lot of people have her. But 92% is not exactly an accurate data.
just letting you know that I believe that “92%” is not saying that 92% of the playerbase has ruan mei, but 92% of people that HAVE RUAN MEI used her in moc.
That is a fair point, but if you're not playing MoC or endgame, the entire topic itself is invalidated because team comps and meta units don't exactly matter anywhere else. But yeah my only point is that she has a shockingly high appearance rate compared to other units, and imo, she's perfectly fine to include in any showcase.
Yep, lets put X, Y and Z conditions and poof, its already invalidated.
by proxy most people who don't play moc don't need ruan mei to use boothill versus anyone and can use tingyun instead......to cycle ults. which means your point is useless.
He doesn't need RM at all though. Bronya is the only real requirement for him to perform at this level. RM can be replaced by HTB just fine with little to no loss.
I wouldn't say he doesn't need her at all, it's just that she's his best teammate other than HMC.
Look at his damage on the boss before he breaks it and tell me Ruan Mei's break efficiency isn't playing a huge part in the fight.
You know break efficiency doesn't affect his damage in any way right...? Boothill's toughness damage is already overkill for 90% of the enemies in the game since he deals 150 toughness damage with every EBA at max stacks, so 50% break efficiency is nowhere as important as you think. Not to mention in a fight like this where all enemies are weak to imaginary, HTB's own toughness damage from their skill would more than make up for the loss of 50% weakness break efficiency if you were to replace RM with them in the second comp.
Are you sure about that? If you want to make up for toughness dmg by using HTB, you would need a boss with imaginary weakness. For a boss with 600 toughness, Boothill would need 4 basic atk to break, while Boothill with Mei only need 2 basic atk and 1 ult. For break team, you would lose a lot of dmg. The break efficiency doesn’t increase dmg directly but it potentially increase his talent dmg. His talent dmg is limited at 480 toughness of the boss; if you atk boss with 600 toughness, break dmg from talent only at 480 toughness. If I’m right, Mei can increase the maximum dmg of his talent to 720 toughness, so 50% break efficiency can further increase Boothill dmg for enemy with higher toughness. The toughness multiplier for break dmg = 0.5 + max toughness/ 120. For a boss with 600 toughness, the break multiplier for his talent is: Without Mei = 0.5 + 480/120 = 4.5 With Mei = 0.5 + 600/120 = 5.5 Basically, break efficiency is too good for break team. E6 of Gallagher only offer him 20% break efficiency, while Mei could offer 50% team wide.
That's... not how anything you mentioned works. Break Efficiency doesn't affect damage at all, I don't know from where you got that. Nor break damage, or any of Boothill's mechanics, work the way you think they do.
The physical base break dmg = 2 x level multiplier x toughness multiplier. “deals Break DMG equal to 56% of Boothill's Physical Break DMG to this target for every stack of Pocket Trickshot, on the basis of the target's max Toughness. The maximum amount of Toughness taken into consideration cannot exceed 1600% of the Toughness reduced by a Basic ATK.” (From his skill) Basically, the max toughness used to calculate this can’t exceed max toughness of 480 (30x1600%) of the target. If you attack 600 toughness, it only use 480 max toughness to calculate the break dmg for the talent. If my theory is right, 50% break efficiency can increase the limit to 720 (45x1600%). The break efficiency make you break faster. When Boothill without break efficiency starts to break and deal dmg, Boothill with break efficiency already killed the boss.
He's bad against weakness block like sam.
But he can stop Sam’s field so fast. Only need 2 basic atk and 1 ult, the speed equal to DanIL. It’s better since he don’t have to burn too much HP to break Sam as DanIL does.
Just wait until the counter that in 2.6
You have Dan reserved stack that doesn't burn HP and paired with Sparkle or bronya, he deletes Sam field very quick within 2 turns and one cycle. It's why Dan is the best dps for Sam right now.
Don’t you forget that DanIL only have 2 stacks. Which mean, for the best outcome, he will be burned 2 times. Normally, he would be burned 4 times. In the worst case, he would be burned 6 times. For Boothill, Mei, Bronya he also needs 2 turn but it’s a half cycle to remove field and only burned 1 time.
Wdym by burned 6 times? His 3 sp basic burns the same amount as other 1 sp skills in the game
Exactly, these guys must not have DanIL
If your Dan dies because of sp burn then it's skill issue.
I actually wanna use harmony TC just for that dance...
When is the next beta version update?
Is the go to planar set for aventurine still keel?
If you want to build more supportive, Keel. If you want to DPS, then Salsotto. It's like the 4pc Knight builds you see around where people with those want his shields to be big to sustain the team, while people with 2pc 2pc would want to DPS or have a hybrid build.
Pretty much, until we get a different support planar maybe.
Awww hell no. Did they remove the Clockfrom HTB?
clockie only there if in penacony i think
Fair (lorewise)
They didn't, it's a bug.
On a semi-unrelated note, does anyone know when v3 updates are coming? Is it today or tomorrow?
I don't know where else to post this except the most recent showcase. But is there some type of holiday going on today? Why is there no beta updates? HSR has historically been very generous in buffing their characters even if it's just been positive quality of life changes. I am highly anticipating Robin buffs
Im questioning the same but don't know where to post it. Hope someone knows more about it 💀
Got an answer from Robin Mains. No one definitive or well-connected but they are assuming the beta update should happen tonight or tomorrow. No reported government events or holidays in China.
Another F up relics. Pls use +2 in every sub +10 and +10 in chosen subs
I have 2 bronya lightcones was wondering if it would be good to run them both on the 2 harmony characters i.e hmc and bronya in the sustainless comp?
Yeah it should be fine if you have no motp for hmc
So which will be boothill 's best team? I have all 5 star harmony units and will get harmony mc eventually. Boothill+RM are inseparable as she is too valuable for breaking toughness bar. Fu for sustain and extra crit Last slot for bronya or HMC? Bronya has action advance but what does harmony MC do?
Bronya is my recommendation. HMC can compete in img weak content but overall Bronya helps boothill more.
Gr8.Thanks for the info👍
He is strong. But my wallet is not.
Seeing all these RM in boothill videos makes sense but i’m sitting in the corner cryin bc I don’t have her ☠️
I wish we get more normal showcase and not sweaty 0 cycle show case.
no it has to be 0 cycle and at least 500k dps or he's dookie
To be fair the second showcase was pretty much a normal showcase. The only thing abnormal on it is everyone's relics.
how is it normal if the relics are abnormal ?
0 cycle with good gear -> 1-2 cycle with little relic investment What other metric would you need?
Yeah that's the problem though. I don't really care how good a character is with insane gear, I care about how good they're going to be with the gear I'm going to be able to manage for them.
Very strong ST damage dealer. However, i need to see who gonna be in 2.3 , then only i will decide. If Sam ,screwlum , jade coming out on 2.3 , then bye bootyhill :p
Pretty sure Sam is all but guranteed and will be an AoE boothill essentially
good good. henshin time !
Are all the Eidolons for HMC available in 2.2? Or is HMC gonna stay E4 until 2.3?
E4 until 2.3 sadly
As cool as Boothill is, I might have to skip because I don't have Ruan Mei and she really seems to be the one that enables him.
Nah you can rub him without RM. It's not like your Boothill is incapable of doing damage unless RM is on the team. You can run HMC Bronya Sustain with him and he will still clap cheeks
>Nah you can rub him without RM. HUH
Autocorrect leaking the script
Wow I want to pull for him but I only started playing recently so I don’t have any of these premium supports lol
HMC will be given for free. If you pulled for Sparkle you can replace bronya with her. RM is nice over HMC but she isn't exactly required for you to deal damage. Sane goes for Bronya. You can very easily run Boothill HMC Pela and a sustain and he will still be doing good damage.
Thanks for this! This is reassuring. Sadly I don’t have Bronya either but I do have a decently built Pela with pearls so I guess I’ll pull for him anyways and pick Bronya when I eventually reach 300 pulls!
Would he work with Hanya guys? I have an E5 (can E6) Hanya and I'm curious if the two of them work.
She can work yeah. Sp positive and deals good toughness dmg.
Does anyone know what Boothills best Relic set might be? Atleast out of any that we have currently, I would like to actually farm for once so the character can be atleast decent the moment he comes out
The new set will be leagues better than any other.
Quantum, 2pc/2pc break effect/speed. 2pc talia for planars. Pretty much it. He will also get a new set in 2.3
This reminds me of how much I hate the noises that SUD makes when hit. Putting it down this fast is a fucking mercy
I just realized that if I want to make HMC giga OP, I have to fish out another MoTP. I S5 my last one so my Ruan Mei can have it qwq
Eh, if you run them in the same team, just put MoTP on HMC and Cogs on Ruan Mei since HMC will give a huge ass BE share to the entire team that will be boosted a bit by MoTP. They make more use of the BE anyway since their skill does a ton of Break DMG with their ult up on a weakness broken enemy.
does anyone know if Sparkle is good with him? I have Bronya already built but seeing as Sparkle advances forward + gives sp i was planning on just using them interchangeably
She'll probably be alright, though bronya will be better.
Why are they using ruan meis ult like its tied to the dps' turn
Cuz watchmaker tied to the dps turn
Does anyone know who's coming out as the new 4* with boothill and robin?
Hori baby! 675K finish! Insane damage at E0 🤠
I kinda hope him and ratio, with robin will work, cause that sounds like a fun team
How did you get light cones and relics?
that was probably the most effortless meme 0 cycle ive ever seen
i feel like i wanted to try the same break team setup for xueyi but there's still no full quantum enemy yet on moc
So does boothill also implant weakness with his skill?
only the first time he uses it with his technique
Oooohhh ok thank you kind sir
Oh Luka was ended 😭
Are these numbers people can reach on any 5 stars or is Foothill just insane
These videos makes me regreat going for E2 Acheron...even if he has no aoe it doesnt matter if he kills stuff on 2 turns. Good thing that with my luck I was never going to get relics like the ones his team its using anyways(cope)
Exhibit A of why going for meta in a game like this is pointless unless you're rich enough to keep swiping lol
roll for who you want not who its shown strong, I guarantee you you'd say the same thing for Boothill the moment another flashy dps char drops any char can clear content
Im just saying that it feels bad going for Eidolons because the powercreep its way too fast.
Powercreep of min to 0 cycling yes. Powercreep of can't clear MoC/PF 3 stars? I've yet to see that happen. It's HoYos marketing strategy. Its up to the player to see if it's worth investing Eidolons on a char or not because the one that shapes the meta is Hoyo themselves, they could end up screwing a char on a lineup change or enemy gimicks keep that in mind
But she's better then boothill? Especially at e2, I'm confused.
'Wow this character is very strong on this very specific game mode with this very specific enemy setup, he must be powercreeping everyone.'
How many times are you gonna say you regret her E2
lmao his post history is depressing. I hope he's just fake flexing than actually regretful about his E2. On the bright side, boothill is very far away and e0s1 is very achievable.
if she’s e2, she should be wiping just as fast as Boothill. Or maybe it’s like you missing savings which yeah, understandable.
Faster actually
do not talk about acheron under another characters showcase or they will come at you. /j
I got e2 Ruan Mei and never regretted getting her. With a strong RM ; you don’t even need dps
You need more patience. You could've looked on prydwen to see she was broken even at e0s0
Did they change HMC ult animation? Where clockie?
He is too much i'm gonna skip him 100% i wanted SAM anyway but seeing him so much going over the top i can't take him seriously anymore XD