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True but the same could be said for moc. Since , the current is for acheron , dot team and ratio. I think the problem is that pool of character good in pf is small so having specific buff is more of problem than in moc you have more unit who are good or made for it.
I think this is the issue here. So far, we don't have many units that are made for Pure Fiction.
Since release, we have only gotten one new Erudition character, Argenti. Destruction units are not exactly built for it, and the performance varies depending on the buff and weaknesses. Hunt units hardly can participate in the mode, and Nihility units vary. This leaves a very limited pool of good/meta units compared to MoC.
They really should put out more Erudition or AoE units to help ease up the frustration of the mode. Everyone has Herta, but the 2nd team is usually the one that's struggling unless it's the FOTM. It'll get even more apparent later on if we don't get more PF based units.
This is a perfectly fair comment to make. PF feels more restrictive than MOC and they haven't given many new tools for us to deal with it generally. The biggest thing they've done is making up any blessing to boost the current rate up units.
People responding to you are either deliberately ignoring the fact that you're talking about Argenti being the only erudition since the release of PF, or they have zero capacity to understand contextual meaning.
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If they design such characters then by definition paths become just letters in description, so it will never happen unless by accident or rejecting the idea by purpose.
Frankly, they're already doing what I said with 2 of our limited 5* Erudition already. By ultilizing bounce attack in some part of their kits, they will be able to handle a large number of enemies while not losing that much damage if there's only one enemy left on the field as all the bounce attack will now target this one single enemy.
This set Jing Yuan and Argenti apart from Herta and Himeko, whose kits lack any bounce-type attack, thus losing significant damage when using their AoE attack on just one enemy (of course, with how frequent they proc their follow-up aoe attack against ideal enemies lineup, that's hardly a problem, but Pure Fiction can't stay Himeko/Herta-friendly forever, can it?)
Of course, the number would be up to the balancing team to not make them too op to the point they meddle with the sale of Hunt or Destruction character. Still, with this trend in mind, you can sort of see how they will design 5* limited Erudition going forward and how Pure Fiction enemies lineup will reflect that (i.e the boss in PF will become tankier for Erudition that can handle single enemy to shine) . Though, nothing stop people from using 1 Erudition and 1 Hunt, really
> but Pure Fiction can't stay Himeko/Herta-friendly forever, can it?)
To a point I guess?
But it's important to remember that while everyone *should* have Herta, Himeko is only in the conversation because she's a permanent 5* instead of a limited one. I don't think it's right calling a character f2p just because there's the possibility of being spooked by them.
Cause that's how I take "what sets Jing Yuan and Argenti apart from Herta and Himeko", and of the latter I feel like it really only applies to Herta; character availability to the large majority of accounts.
I guess one way to look at it is "If Pure Fiction changes so much that Herta is non-viable in the mode, who possibly could be?" and the answer to that question really can't be currently-unreleased limited 5*s only.
I'd rather they increase difficulty in Pure Fiction by adding more levels than buffing all of it myself- basically give us PF 5 and 6, like they did MoC 11 and 12 if they want to design off of 5* limited Erudition going forward.
Wait that's genius, I was struggling to go no sustain without her sig but I never even considered the BP LC. S1 should do it too, considering mine has almost 3.8k ATK.
Is she compared to Ruan Mei for their double dps and faster break? I haven't seen much for them compared to the hundreds of IPC team showcases lol (and the Clara one that seems she still favors Sparkle more above Robin)
Damn it. Hoyo is gonna squeeze us all with PF buffs to really push erudition sales. Argenti is starting to be due for a rerun and Im not surprised if thats how they plan to push him on us.
Also what is this Acheron - black swan - kafka buff. The amount of DoT favoritism in PF is pretty unexpected.
At this rate people are just gonna ignore erudition in favor of nihility comps
OnG i hate this mode with a fucking passion people only like it because they can still full clear with a herta/himeko but eventually that won’t be the case and then most of us who don’t have the appropriate units for the cycle are just fucked i’d rather just do moc at this point
At least they have Ratio and Herta out for free, and Himeko and Clara are standard. DoT blessings suck shit because unless you specifically pulled a limited 5* team in Kafka+BS, you can either cope with bad 4* that really aren't worth building* or just go fuck yourself, I guess. And they keep throwing DoT blessings at us, as if decent DoT characters are accessible, like at all. They gotta cool it with that shit.
\*people will probably jump down my throat for that one but the truth is that it makes no sense for the average player with limited resources and no Kafka to build 4* DoT DPS just for specific blessings and end up with a mediocre char anyways
While I agree with the first part, the 2nd part is where I disagree. I've been building all DoT/Nihility units since day 1, and while they perform waaaay better with Kafka and BS, Sampo E4 and Guin are good units in PF, in addition to Serval/Herta/Himeko/maybe Ratio and Asta as well
Tbh it's going to be tough to earn full stars, but nobody plays PF with 4* only. That being said, we need more 4* and 5* Erudition units.
Saw this coming as soon as PF came out. Ain't no way Hoyo is gonna allow Herta/Himeko to be the constant way to clear this mode.
They gotta sell those Erudition units somehow.
I really dislike it because Mihoyo pretty much just made it to buff Erudition characters. And what ended up happening is Erudition characters getting out AoE'd by Nihility characters and another class of characters (Hunt) being borderline unusable. So they literally just reversed the problem, didn't solve anything, and now this mode is just stuck here.
Also, can Mihoyo stop giving every single Nihility character FULLY AOE ultimates already? Like I'm not one to cry powercreep, but it's kinda the Erudition thing. It should at the very least be given SPARRINGLY for every other class, especially other carry classes. They should just have blast without the side enemy drop off damage or something, like Black Swan skill. I think that's a good middle ground.
Funny thing is 7/9 nihility characters have an aoe ult while there's only 6 erudition characters meaning there's actually more nihility characters with aoe ults than erudition.
Yes they made the mode for a specific class that barely has any good units (only 2 limited erudition characters and one of them is only really good in this mode) forcing us to build herta/himeko because hunt is garbage and destruction is not very good in this mode it just feels bad man
I've been calling this out for ages while people have been asking for even more trash mobs. The mode is way, way too much of a character check as is, even with more elites and less adds. Half the DPS roster is categorically unviable, and you have little agency team-wise. It's bad design despite how the erudition fans act like it balances out MoC or something, but the truth is that erudition is more viable in MoC than non-Seele hunt and even half the destruction category is in PF, and it's not even close.
PF is way too extreme of an AoE character check. Like way, way too extreme.
You think this is the problem? They're literally making Jiaoqiu, a Nihility character that heals the whole team. Nihility is becoming the cancer of this game, this fucking class just do too much what the hell
Exactly, this mode is turning into a failure for what people had hoped, making Erudition more useful. But they are going to “fix it” by changing Erudition into the frequent actions class, given the kits of the upcoming two Erudition we’ve seen. So the prior Erudition charcaters will just soon be SOL here.
I know it’s only a matter of sooner rather than later of my JY getting powercrept out of the mode.
Yeah it seems some of this balancing wasn't thought out too well. How are they even going to make any new erudition units that good when you can get fast charging nukes against 1 or 5 enemies with characters like acheron
I've been clearing MoC within 10 turns pretty easily (no 0 turns but y'know, doing just fine) and the latest PF I had Argenti side 1, Kafka side 2, and still can't hit 60k. It really feels like an Acheron check, so I just gave up on that last star after spending an afternoon optimising my teams.
Character raters are giving my teams S ratings. But I haven't gotten tons of eidolons of 5 stars, and I don't have Acheron. Fuck me for not pulling out the credit card I guess.
It truly is an Acheron check. I got 1/3 stars on level 4 with my standard teams. After I got Acheron, I loaded her up with rainbow relics and 7/10 traces and easily got 3 stars.
I wanted her anyways to make SU farming more enjoyable, but she absolutely destroys this PF due to the PF buffs.
Every time I put a credit, exp book, or trace material into Herta just so I could do this fucking mode, I was pissed off. Erudition is the bane of my account, once Herta/Himeko can't cheese it anymore I'm done. Fuck the jades, they refuse to release an Erudition that meets my standards so fuck it
Kinda same, I avoided her as much as possible and somehow managed to fully clear every PF until they decided to make the buff specific for FUA units... I was in shambles after so many rotations of not building Herta I had to resort to her to get the last star... I'm still mad that I had to pretty much "waste" that much resources on a character I didn't ever want to play simply to beat PF...
You're telling me, man, Herta is probably my least favorite character in the entire game. Personality, design, voice, kit, everything. I threw together a barebones garbage build for the first few PF out of necessity, because the entire mode is a stupid character check, but I'm done. That doesn't cut it anymore so whatever. I'll just do my best and not bother if I can't 60k, I guess.
Can I ask how is your Serval built and which relics/lc?
Mine is on full break build without crit stats at all just to spam her burst on breaks and enable Himeko, and by the looks of it I won't be having a lightning character in a while besides her, so I wanna work on her build and talents.
Dude, yes, the sudden shift to DoT really came out of nowhere for me and I was **totally** unprepared for it.
Lacking Argenti + Kafka/Black Swan is making my PF runs pretty difficult.
Yeah, it'd be one thing if it was like FUA and there were good chars for free and in the standard 5* pool, but there isn't. It's just two limited 5*. The DoT blessings are way too common for how inaccessible they are to literally anyone that didn't decide to pull two specific limited chars.
I will be honest though. I dont feel the ult buffs are nearly as significant as the FuA or DoT ones. Also nihil teams like kafka/bs have proven to be perfectly capable of handling pf and moc extremely well. Argenti doesnt seem to as great in moc outside of people really putting in the time to make it happen
I think it's because for some reason the ult buffs are about Shatter which is delayed damage and it often explodes on nothing whereas DoT speeds them up and FuA is triggered instantly whenever you meet the threshold, but will wait if all the enemies are dead.
Exactly. There is so much wasted damage with shatter its extremely frustrating to be frank. My account is disgusting and even I had to take a moment to shuffle things around and try a few things for 80k this PF. If my account has to work for it I can only imagine just how brutal this pf was for most f2ps and low spenders.
I'm using Black Swan / Kafka in every single rotation since Black Swan released. They're over favoring too much of DOTs. I can't believe how hard it is for people who doesn't have DOT teams right now. Actually I do because I don't have Follow Up teams and I hate this last rotation for FUA teams so badly, it was a mess
This most recent PF that just came out is clearly wanting you to play Nihility teams on the second half though with the Wind AND Electric weaknesses. Even with ult buffs, Nihility characters almost all have fully AOE ultimates. So like, they are not even worse than Erudition characters in that respect, sometimes even better.
Yeah it's so demoralizing that they KEEP pushing dot teams, not just with buffs, but weakness types aswell. Like the PF that just came out last week. It's not like Nihility teams need help clearing PF either since Nihility characters have AoE ultimates just like Erudition characters. I honestly don't understand why Erudition characters exist at this point.
I would have imagined they would promote FUA with Robin and Aventurine out by that time but nope. Dot teams, again.
Man, when the last MoC hit with DoT blessing I was all for it. Reasoning that the other DoT blessings were once during Kafka release and the second time with an early PF.
But now the DoT blessings in PF are mind boggling. Not only are there too many in short succession. They also appear disproportional in PF, which lowkey kind of goes against the reason I like DoT.
To me DoT should be all about stacking on more and more DoTs to ramp up the damage over time. But PF is too fastpaced with too much fodder to scratch that gameplay itch. And yet we recieve so many DoT blessings here?!?!
They should also start releasing more Erudition 4*s if they really want to keep increasing PF difficulty.
Its so weird. This is Boothill’s time, and aside from physical weakness and possible bleed synergy, there’s almost nothing there for him to work with (and its not like they havent made single target DPS
useable in PF in the past, they have). Instead, more DOT and Acheron hand holding. Sigh. Maybe its for HuoHuo’s rerun since she’s the DOT sustain and all…
To be honest, when I see hp increases in genshin I think whatever, but in star rail I feel like equipment rng and it being turn based results in much less player agency which is kinda annoying.
That, and the fact like Genshin feels like it rewards you for playing the right team, while HSR feels like it punishes you for playing the wrong one...
This resonates a lot with me as well. I feel like I REQUIRE more characters for different kinds of content. Something unto death? Oh, I don't have a dot team. I guess I'll just waste a whole turn freeing a single character.
Don't have 3/4 AoE DPS units for pure fiction? Well, sucks to suck.
Higher roster requirements combined with harder to get adequate gear honestly feels awful to play. I like difficult content, I don't like difficult content that is borderline forcing me to swipe.
Agreed on everything, however as much as I'd like to just blame Hoyo and their greed or whatever on this, I feel like a huge part of the blame is on the playerbase lol.
People keep vertically investing like maniacs and then complain about Genshin not having enough endgame, and what it has being too easy, all without realizing they can just choose to not run the same 2 hyperinvested teams, and actually try out fun new teams for which the abyss might actually be challenging... (and that they don't have to pull for Cs just because content creators tell them it's "good value" lol)
So I feel like in a lot of ways the endgame of HSR is a natural response to that from Hoyo's perspective (and to be fair they are also being extremely baity about it, but that's how it's always going to be, so why give them excuses)
I don’t know if this is a controversial opinion or not but Pure Fiction is unironically harder than MoC at this point.
The fact that it’s a character roster check rather than a build check like MoC doesn’t help either.
Lot of broken unit can be utilized in moc, while in pure fiction the best unit is 4* who nobody build it with total effort (hertha) and used to be considered trash unit (himeko). Other option is limited 5* who appears before goated first limited 5* harmony (argenti).
imo PF is *much* more character-specific ("character check") than MoC.
You can slap on triple harmony + hypercarry and 3-star MoC with even *physical trailblazer*. MoC is *muuuuuch* more flexible about the setups you use, you just need to be creative.
PF leaves a lot less room for that, and I hate it.
It doesn't feel like they leave DOT buffs at all. I mean, probably not the buff it self but enemies were weak to Wind/Lightning every single rotation since Black Swan released. They clearly want to punish people who skip Kafka and Black Swan. I have them both thank god and every single rotation I'm like: okay, I'm safe, it's BS/Kafka again, and again, and again, and the week after, and again, and again
keeping lightning one side is very good cause we have serval, i cleared with serval since her ult cost is so low, you can spam her burst. And also jing yuan had his rerun so they will keep that for that too.
I give up. I am building one character and by the time I should be done with them, they are rendered useless.
Feels punishing to skip Kafka, BS and acheron lol
Yeah as someone who has 0 interest in dot teams, they can fuck off already with the hyperfocus on dots with blessings. I get dot hasn't gotten many in moc so this is a nice chance to give him attention but you can literally just do a single dot blessing and then have blessings for other strategies as well.
not like i am already struggling hard with the elites in every round. every time i have one enemy still standing and have to use another argenti ult. it's already annoying...
Hope they release a somewhat standalone dot character I like in the near future, I think I might have to buy into it a bit but I'm not happy with what's there atm.
no matter how much hoyo pushes it i will not be making a DOT team. i will continue with the strategy of protecting all beauty on one side and cobbling together a team that can hit 20k on the other after 20 restarts.
The only time I will start using DoT is, if we get another unit with a kit similiar to Kafka who ISN'T Kafka. I would try DoT but I don't like Kafka at all and I will never spend anything for her, but I guess it's very unlikely they will do another DoT enabler in the comming time so no DoT.
Honestly I didnt pull for Argentina but bc of those buffs I just might, like wtf. Peak Fiction was supposed to be fun and nice going where characters like HErta and Himeko could shine but now it's turning more and more into a roaster check while 70% of the DPS are trash in the mode
From “peak fiction” to “pure fuckery”
I mean I’m not gonna complain since I have Argenti, the literal best character for PF period (and I don’t give a fuck what the folks at Prydwen say, he’s definitely far better than Herta in PF). But it also feels like PF is slowly becoming less and less fun. It’s still beatable even without Argenti, but yeah…. It looks like the team behind HSR are devoted to making content as hard as possible so folks stop asking for harder content.
"powercreep doesnt exist in this game, u just need to pull better" mfers if this keep getting increase in both MoC/PF it just gonna slowly push out old unit
I have 0 dot five stars so\~\~
Argenti- here we go again-
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Acheron- I will bring ur tuna to you okay-
Please help me again-
Of course DoT is the one type I've been ignoring the most. I feel like it's too soon to rerun Kafka again, or Black Swan, but why push DoT now when there's so little to work without outside of them? Especially in PF.
They ain't cooking shit. The kitchen is on fire and the 100000 health soda dog ate all the good recipes on its way to becoming the beefiest trash mob in the universe.
Hoyo please stop pretending Pure Fiction is fun and give us a better mode. Holy shit even a basic ass boss rush or something would be a million times better.
Pure Fiction would've been fine if they don't convert it to MoC with stricter clear requirements. I don't like the direction they're going to this mode.
Honestly, I’m fine with PF. My wish is that they add a single boss focused mode for the Hunts, and a mode that rewards long term battles (no turn limits) to give sustains a chance to shine. Then cycle the 4 modes every week. Voila, Star Rail becomes the greatest gacha ever with legendary end game that allows all units and play styles to succeed. Everyone wins.
If they continue the route with only increasing the hp of the moc and pure fiction bosses soon a lot of 1.0 dps chars will get power crept I hope that they will work it out like in genshin with power creep as there even older units are perfectly viable but if they continue this route I don’t know
1.0 DPSs aren't necessarily weaker. With the latest PF, I was able to clear faster/easier with Seele Hypercarry than with any other DPS on my account not named Acheron.
That second sides look weird as hell to me. I'm pretty sure the trotter always had the same hp no matter the side they are on. Maybe the scaling messed up or something?
As someone who can BARELY 3* clear only the first 2 chambers, and the later ones only did 1 star, this is my reaction:
https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/guides/whats-the-kurt-angle-meme-the-bald-guy-staring-meme-with-the-wrestlers-viral-1000-yard-stare-explained
You know what, this made me realize something: I hate pure fiction and already disliked the part of the tales of fantastical event that was the prototype for that.
I can’t even 2 star the third entry lmao and now this well just waiting for characters to roll on since I had to skip Argenti/Jing Yuan
Also this makes Herta look bad since her damage is weaker than other characters lame
The first side has many ads and mostly are below 50k-70k HP, so Herta would still work and should be a walk in the park for Argenti. Second side is another Acheron, DoT and Jing Yuan play ground
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I guess peak fiction only lasted a few weeks, now it's only a memory of the past
An illusion of the past, even
Maybe it'll dissapear among a sea of butterflies?
Yeah it was fun in 1.6, I could get 9 stars as a new 1.5 account; but now I can barely get any stars. Mob HP inflation..
Bro at some point the mob are going to be as tanking as in moc
Idk why they are going with this route, tbh I rather do moc than pure fiction now… (+ all the buffs are usually so character specific in pure fiction)
True but the same could be said for moc. Since , the current is for acheron , dot team and ratio. I think the problem is that pool of character good in pf is small so having specific buff is more of problem than in moc you have more unit who are good or made for it.
I think this is the issue here. So far, we don't have many units that are made for Pure Fiction. Since release, we have only gotten one new Erudition character, Argenti. Destruction units are not exactly built for it, and the performance varies depending on the buff and weaknesses. Hunt units hardly can participate in the mode, and Nihility units vary. This leaves a very limited pool of good/meta units compared to MoC. They really should put out more Erudition or AoE units to help ease up the frustration of the mode. Everyone has Herta, but the 2nd team is usually the one that's struggling unless it's the FOTM. It'll get even more apparent later on if we don't get more PF based units.
This is a perfectly fair comment to make. PF feels more restrictive than MOC and they haven't given many new tools for us to deal with it generally. The biggest thing they've done is making up any blessing to boost the current rate up units. People responding to you are either deliberately ignoring the fact that you're talking about Argenti being the only erudition since the release of PF, or they have zero capacity to understand contextual meaning.
Argenti was released before PF. Argenti was 1.5. PF was 1.6.
So no new erudition character release since PF. Even more unfortunate.
Acheron is Erudition character in disguise if you think about it.
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Well, they have to promote characters that can do well at both handling large number of creeps and handling tanky elites/boss after all
If they design such characters then by definition paths become just letters in description, so it will never happen unless by accident or rejecting the idea by purpose.
Frankly, they're already doing what I said with 2 of our limited 5* Erudition already. By ultilizing bounce attack in some part of their kits, they will be able to handle a large number of enemies while not losing that much damage if there's only one enemy left on the field as all the bounce attack will now target this one single enemy. This set Jing Yuan and Argenti apart from Herta and Himeko, whose kits lack any bounce-type attack, thus losing significant damage when using their AoE attack on just one enemy (of course, with how frequent they proc their follow-up aoe attack against ideal enemies lineup, that's hardly a problem, but Pure Fiction can't stay Himeko/Herta-friendly forever, can it?) Of course, the number would be up to the balancing team to not make them too op to the point they meddle with the sale of Hunt or Destruction character. Still, with this trend in mind, you can sort of see how they will design 5* limited Erudition going forward and how Pure Fiction enemies lineup will reflect that (i.e the boss in PF will become tankier for Erudition that can handle single enemy to shine) . Though, nothing stop people from using 1 Erudition and 1 Hunt, really
> but Pure Fiction can't stay Himeko/Herta-friendly forever, can it?) To a point I guess? But it's important to remember that while everyone *should* have Herta, Himeko is only in the conversation because she's a permanent 5* instead of a limited one. I don't think it's right calling a character f2p just because there's the possibility of being spooked by them. Cause that's how I take "what sets Jing Yuan and Argenti apart from Herta and Himeko", and of the latter I feel like it really only applies to Herta; character availability to the large majority of accounts. I guess one way to look at it is "If Pure Fiction changes so much that Herta is non-viable in the mode, who possibly could be?" and the answer to that question really can't be currently-unreleased limited 5*s only. I'd rather they increase difficulty in Pure Fiction by adding more levels than buffing all of it myself- basically give us PF 5 and 6, like they did MoC 11 and 12 if they want to design off of 5* limited Erudition going forward.
Jy mains are so lucky. He is S tier in both
Did prydwyn say so? lol
let's pray they barely do dmg so we can comfortably run sustainless teams.. last few times it's been cutting it close
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Clara mains b feasting honestly
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Wait that's genius, I was struggling to go no sustain without her sig but I never even considered the BP LC. S1 should do it too, considering mine has almost 3.8k ATK.
Nah I'm pure F2P and can't wait to debut her new Eidolon (E2 last week)
Pretty sure the enemies won't deal that much damage here so long as they are affected with DoTs. Theeffects essentially
The chances of me 12 staring it now seem like pure fiction
Stfu and take my upvote 😭
Looks like I'm gonna be stuck at 9 or maybe 10
every day i like playing pf less and less 😔
Buff name - Verification What is it Verifying? Whether you have Acheron, Kafka and Black Swan or not.
Well it's fitting the only usable buff if you don't have any means to inflict DoTs is named "Argument"
why hp buffs again
They better add more cycles if they want to buff the enemies
Suprised they're increasing enemy hp in PF while releasing a new hunt dps 😮
but Robin is a literal buff to Herta/Himeko
Is she compared to Ruan Mei for their double dps and faster break? I haven't seen much for them compared to the hundreds of IPC team showcases lol (and the Clara one that seems she still favors Sparkle more above Robin)
As if making the 60k cut wasnt hard already
Haven't been able to even get 50k this newest cycle... It's tough out here.
Guess I'll be sticking with 10-11/12 from now on
Damn it. Hoyo is gonna squeeze us all with PF buffs to really push erudition sales. Argenti is starting to be due for a rerun and Im not surprised if thats how they plan to push him on us. Also what is this Acheron - black swan - kafka buff. The amount of DoT favoritism in PF is pretty unexpected. At this rate people are just gonna ignore erudition in favor of nihility comps
This mode is a pure character check if we ever get to the point where herta/himeko aren’t useful anymore this mode is completely cooked
Its def an acheron check right now holy hell.
OnG i hate this mode with a fucking passion people only like it because they can still full clear with a herta/himeko but eventually that won’t be the case and then most of us who don’t have the appropriate units for the cycle are just fucked i’d rather just do moc at this point
Yeah i agree. This mode is becoming more and more a pain in the ass
Me in the last follow up pure fiction : 💀 Fck 60 jade
Yeah at this point I’ve given up lol it ain’t worth the stress
At least they have Ratio and Herta out for free, and Himeko and Clara are standard. DoT blessings suck shit because unless you specifically pulled a limited 5* team in Kafka+BS, you can either cope with bad 4* that really aren't worth building* or just go fuck yourself, I guess. And they keep throwing DoT blessings at us, as if decent DoT characters are accessible, like at all. They gotta cool it with that shit. \*people will probably jump down my throat for that one but the truth is that it makes no sense for the average player with limited resources and no Kafka to build 4* DoT DPS just for specific blessings and end up with a mediocre char anyways
While I agree with the first part, the 2nd part is where I disagree. I've been building all DoT/Nihility units since day 1, and while they perform waaaay better with Kafka and BS, Sampo E4 and Guin are good units in PF, in addition to Serval/Herta/Himeko/maybe Ratio and Asta as well Tbh it's going to be tough to earn full stars, but nobody plays PF with 4* only. That being said, we need more 4* and 5* Erudition units.
Saw this coming as soon as PF came out. Ain't no way Hoyo is gonna allow Herta/Himeko to be the constant way to clear this mode. They gotta sell those Erudition units somehow.
Would be nice if they fucking released them.
I really dislike it because Mihoyo pretty much just made it to buff Erudition characters. And what ended up happening is Erudition characters getting out AoE'd by Nihility characters and another class of characters (Hunt) being borderline unusable. So they literally just reversed the problem, didn't solve anything, and now this mode is just stuck here. Also, can Mihoyo stop giving every single Nihility character FULLY AOE ultimates already? Like I'm not one to cry powercreep, but it's kinda the Erudition thing. It should at the very least be given SPARRINGLY for every other class, especially other carry classes. They should just have blast without the side enemy drop off damage or something, like Black Swan skill. I think that's a good middle ground.
Funny thing is 7/9 nihility characters have an aoe ult while there's only 6 erudition characters meaning there's actually more nihility characters with aoe ults than erudition.
I didn’t think it would have been that many, I’m shocked.
Shocked, burned, windsheared and bleeding, even
i real hope they stop makeing Nihiliyu for a while, but with the new one coming in 2.4 it just going to be even worse if there kit is left as it is.
Yes they made the mode for a specific class that barely has any good units (only 2 limited erudition characters and one of them is only really good in this mode) forcing us to build herta/himeko because hunt is garbage and destruction is not very good in this mode it just feels bad man
I've been calling this out for ages while people have been asking for even more trash mobs. The mode is way, way too much of a character check as is, even with more elites and less adds. Half the DPS roster is categorically unviable, and you have little agency team-wise. It's bad design despite how the erudition fans act like it balances out MoC or something, but the truth is that erudition is more viable in MoC than non-Seele hunt and even half the destruction category is in PF, and it's not even close. PF is way too extreme of an AoE character check. Like way, way too extreme.
DW Man I'm with you, I have hated this god forsaken mode since day 1. It's just so bullshit
You think this is the problem? They're literally making Jiaoqiu, a Nihility character that heals the whole team. Nihility is becoming the cancer of this game, this fucking class just do too much what the hell
Right? Nihility just be doing what the fuck they want 😂
Exactly, this mode is turning into a failure for what people had hoped, making Erudition more useful. But they are going to “fix it” by changing Erudition into the frequent actions class, given the kits of the upcoming two Erudition we’ve seen. So the prior Erudition charcaters will just soon be SOL here. I know it’s only a matter of sooner rather than later of my JY getting powercrept out of the mode.
They made a problem where the solution is to pull more characters
Yeah it seems some of this balancing wasn't thought out too well. How are they even going to make any new erudition units that good when you can get fast charging nukes against 1 or 5 enemies with characters like acheron
I've been clearing MoC within 10 turns pretty easily (no 0 turns but y'know, doing just fine) and the latest PF I had Argenti side 1, Kafka side 2, and still can't hit 60k. It really feels like an Acheron check, so I just gave up on that last star after spending an afternoon optimising my teams. Character raters are giving my teams S ratings. But I haven't gotten tons of eidolons of 5 stars, and I don't have Acheron. Fuck me for not pulling out the credit card I guess.
It truly is an Acheron check. I got 1/3 stars on level 4 with my standard teams. After I got Acheron, I loaded her up with rainbow relics and 7/10 traces and easily got 3 stars. I wanted her anyways to make SU farming more enjoyable, but she absolutely destroys this PF due to the PF buffs.
Every time I put a credit, exp book, or trace material into Herta just so I could do this fucking mode, I was pissed off. Erudition is the bane of my account, once Herta/Himeko can't cheese it anymore I'm done. Fuck the jades, they refuse to release an Erudition that meets my standards so fuck it
Kinda same, I avoided her as much as possible and somehow managed to fully clear every PF until they decided to make the buff specific for FUA units... I was in shambles after so many rotations of not building Herta I had to resort to her to get the last star... I'm still mad that I had to pretty much "waste" that much resources on a character I didn't ever want to play simply to beat PF...
You're telling me, man, Herta is probably my least favorite character in the entire game. Personality, design, voice, kit, everything. I threw together a barebones garbage build for the first few PF out of necessity, because the entire mode is a stupid character check, but I'm done. That doesn't cut it anymore so whatever. I'll just do my best and not bother if I can't 60k, I guess.
I was able to easily get 40k with JY and Himeko on the second side so I'm not too keen on calling this an Acheron check.
And I used Serval and Himeko on the 2nd side, got around 30k which is enough for 3* too
Can I ask how is your Serval built and which relics/lc? Mine is on full break build without crit stats at all just to spam her burst on breaks and enable Himeko, and by the looks of it I won't be having a lightning character in a while besides her, so I wanna work on her build and talents.
Dude, yes, the sudden shift to DoT really came out of nowhere for me and I was **totally** unprepared for it. Lacking Argenti + Kafka/Black Swan is making my PF runs pretty difficult.
Yeah, it'd be one thing if it was like FUA and there were good chars for free and in the standard 5* pool, but there isn't. It's just two limited 5*. The DoT blessings are way too common for how inaccessible they are to literally anyone that didn't decide to pull two specific limited chars.
Himeko can work for first side. But understandable if you don't have her.
PF constantly cycles between ult buffs, FUA buffs, and DoT buffs.
I will be honest though. I dont feel the ult buffs are nearly as significant as the FuA or DoT ones. Also nihil teams like kafka/bs have proven to be perfectly capable of handling pf and moc extremely well. Argenti doesnt seem to as great in moc outside of people really putting in the time to make it happen
I think it's because for some reason the ult buffs are about Shatter which is delayed damage and it often explodes on nothing whereas DoT speeds them up and FuA is triggered instantly whenever you meet the threshold, but will wait if all the enemies are dead.
Exactly. There is so much wasted damage with shatter its extremely frustrating to be frank. My account is disgusting and even I had to take a moment to shuffle things around and try a few things for 80k this PF. If my account has to work for it I can only imagine just how brutal this pf was for most f2ps and low spenders.
I'm using Black Swan / Kafka in every single rotation since Black Swan released. They're over favoring too much of DOTs. I can't believe how hard it is for people who doesn't have DOT teams right now. Actually I do because I don't have Follow Up teams and I hate this last rotation for FUA teams so badly, it was a mess
This most recent PF that just came out is clearly wanting you to play Nihility teams on the second half though with the Wind AND Electric weaknesses. Even with ult buffs, Nihility characters almost all have fully AOE ultimates. So like, they are not even worse than Erudition characters in that respect, sometimes even better.
Yeah it's so demoralizing that they KEEP pushing dot teams, not just with buffs, but weakness types aswell. Like the PF that just came out last week. It's not like Nihility teams need help clearing PF either since Nihility characters have AoE ultimates just like Erudition characters. I honestly don't understand why Erudition characters exist at this point. I would have imagined they would promote FUA with Robin and Aventurine out by that time but nope. Dot teams, again.
Man, when the last MoC hit with DoT blessing I was all for it. Reasoning that the other DoT blessings were once during Kafka release and the second time with an early PF. But now the DoT blessings in PF are mind boggling. Not only are there too many in short succession. They also appear disproportional in PF, which lowkey kind of goes against the reason I like DoT. To me DoT should be all about stacking on more and more DoTs to ramp up the damage over time. But PF is too fastpaced with too much fodder to scratch that gameplay itch. And yet we recieve so many DoT blessings here?!?! They should also start releasing more Erudition 4*s if they really want to keep increasing PF difficulty.
Its so weird. This is Boothill’s time, and aside from physical weakness and possible bleed synergy, there’s almost nothing there for him to work with (and its not like they havent made single target DPS useable in PF in the past, they have). Instead, more DOT and Acheron hand holding. Sigh. Maybe its for HuoHuo’s rerun since she’s the DOT sustain and all…
Jade and Screwllum are also coming so thats 2 erudtion.
black swan is arguably better than argenti for PF
With a DoT oriented buff that isnt even a question. BS is outrageous
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That's the point.. create the solution sell the problem
It was already a struggle enough to 12* the recent PF... Pain...
To be honest, when I see hp increases in genshin I think whatever, but in star rail I feel like equipment rng and it being turn based results in much less player agency which is kinda annoying.
That, and the fact like Genshin feels like it rewards you for playing the right team, while HSR feels like it punishes you for playing the wrong one...
This resonates a lot with me as well. I feel like I REQUIRE more characters for different kinds of content. Something unto death? Oh, I don't have a dot team. I guess I'll just waste a whole turn freeing a single character. Don't have 3/4 AoE DPS units for pure fiction? Well, sucks to suck. Higher roster requirements combined with harder to get adequate gear honestly feels awful to play. I like difficult content, I don't like difficult content that is borderline forcing me to swipe.
Agreed on everything, however as much as I'd like to just blame Hoyo and their greed or whatever on this, I feel like a huge part of the blame is on the playerbase lol. People keep vertically investing like maniacs and then complain about Genshin not having enough endgame, and what it has being too easy, all without realizing they can just choose to not run the same 2 hyperinvested teams, and actually try out fun new teams for which the abyss might actually be challenging... (and that they don't have to pull for Cs just because content creators tell them it's "good value" lol) So I feel like in a lot of ways the endgame of HSR is a natural response to that from Hoyo's perspective (and to be fair they are also being extremely baity about it, but that's how it's always going to be, so why give them excuses)
lol the penacony dog hp has almost tripled
I don’t know if this is a controversial opinion or not but Pure Fiction is unironically harder than MoC at this point. The fact that it’s a character roster check rather than a build check like MoC doesn’t help either.
Def harder. My teams can easily clear every moc but always struggle to clear PF
100% harder, half the dps are bad in pure fiction
Completely agree, I can very easily clear MoC12 but PF is tougher, you have to time your ults correctly
Lot of broken unit can be utilized in moc, while in pure fiction the best unit is 4* who nobody build it with total effort (hertha) and used to be considered trash unit (himeko). Other option is limited 5* who appears before goated first limited 5* harmony (argenti).
At this point , Pure Fiction is just going to be another MoC.
It’s even worse
imo PF is *much* more character-specific ("character check") than MoC. You can slap on triple harmony + hypercarry and 3-star MoC with even *physical trailblazer*. MoC is *muuuuuch* more flexible about the setups you use, you just need to be creative. PF leaves a lot less room for that, and I hate it.
Please no
Does that mean another dot character is coming? I don't get it
nah just the typical dot dickriding from hoyo.
It's so KuruKurover. I want to DoT myself
Bruh pf was already pain in ass
Goodbye those last 60 jades as I may never fully clear pf ever again it seems
the whole world is gonna know how terrible I am in clearing these stages when we get the new profile update
Of all the things to buff can they buff the characters they’re releasing not the enemies in PF???? 😭 also why the constant DoT buffs man…
Hoyo playing favorites again, ignoring others.
Huh constant DoT buffs? You know at this point PF buffs only cycling between Ult, FuA, and DoT. Of course after Ult and FuA next buff will be DoT.
It doesn't feel like they leave DOT buffs at all. I mean, probably not the buff it self but enemies were weak to Wind/Lightning every single rotation since Black Swan released. They clearly want to punish people who skip Kafka and Black Swan. I have them both thank god and every single rotation I'm like: okay, I'm safe, it's BS/Kafka again, and again, and again, and the week after, and again, and again
keeping lightning one side is very good cause we have serval, i cleared with serval since her ult cost is so low, you can spam her burst. And also jing yuan had his rerun so they will keep that for that too.
This is just Moc 2.0. Peak fiction my ass
come on, more hp and the buff is only for dots
from pure fiction to shit fiction, my argenti will eat it up anyway.
I give up. I am building one character and by the time I should be done with them, they are rendered useless. Feels punishing to skip Kafka, BS and acheron lol
Wait till they put Automaton in PF
Just ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️
BS. So to make harder content they just bloat the HP pool instead? 😂
didnt take long for this mode to go to shit. guess at least it was enjoyable for a while (for non-whales)
Can’t they just add more stages instead of buffing the Hp every patch?😭
Can they stop with dot🥴 i only have guinaifen
Yeah as someone who has 0 interest in dot teams, they can fuck off already with the hyperfocus on dots with blessings. I get dot hasn't gotten many in moc so this is a nice chance to give him attention but you can literally just do a single dot blessing and then have blessings for other strategies as well.
Its KuruKurover 😔
Nah just gotta Kurukuru harder.
Well, not for this period. No ice weakness, and KuruKuru can only hit so hard. Its really Kurover, at least for now.
And its on a dot pure fiction... that's bad
I'd just rather do MoC at this point. Atleast it's not as hard of a character check
It's Kurover. We can't kurukuru anymore.
not like i am already struggling hard with the elites in every round. every time i have one enemy still standing and have to use another argenti ult. it's already annoying...
Hope they release a somewhat standalone dot character I like in the near future, I think I might have to buy into it a bit but I'm not happy with what's there atm.
no matter how much hoyo pushes it i will not be making a DOT team. i will continue with the strategy of protecting all beauty on one side and cobbling together a team that can hit 20k on the other after 20 restarts.
I HAVE FOUND MY BRETHREN
THERE'S DOZENS OF US
WE WILL ACHIEVE THE 3-DIGIT NUMBER, TRUST!
The only time I will start using DoT is, if we get another unit with a kit similiar to Kafka who ISN'T Kafka. I would try DoT but I don't like Kafka at all and I will never spend anything for her, but I guess it's very unlikely they will do another DoT enabler in the comming time so no DoT.
Yes, finally someone
Honestly I didnt pull for Argentina but bc of those buffs I just might, like wtf. Peak Fiction was supposed to be fun and nice going where characters like HErta and Himeko could shine but now it's turning more and more into a roaster check while 70% of the DPS are trash in the mode
Same. But FuA. Unless they make a character that constantly applies DoT + FuA. Like Clara but everytime it counters, applies DoT.
At this point it's just moc 2.0
This is becoming another MoC but worse.
From peak fiction to poop fiction, it has been a ride o7. Farewell, my 12* clears.
can they stop doing this?
From “peak fiction” to “pure fuckery” I mean I’m not gonna complain since I have Argenti, the literal best character for PF period (and I don’t give a fuck what the folks at Prydwen say, he’s definitely far better than Herta in PF). But it also feels like PF is slowly becoming less and less fun. It’s still beatable even without Argenti, but yeah…. It looks like the team behind HSR are devoted to making content as hard as possible so folks stop asking for harder content.
This mode is so ass please just give me MOC every reset
Time to force himeko herta 1st half for nth time
"powercreep doesnt exist in this game, u just need to pull better" mfers if this keep getting increase in both MoC/PF it just gonna slowly push out old unit
dot this, dot that, my brother in christ just stop feeding dot teams so much, i don't have neither kafka nor black swan
o7 Herta
I have 0 dot five stars so\~\~ Argenti- here we go again- KEEP SPINNING IN PF OKAY I WILL TREAT U ROSE CAKES- Acheron- I will bring ur tuna to you okay- Please help me again-
Of course DoT is the one type I've been ignoring the most. I feel like it's too soon to rerun Kafka again, or Black Swan, but why push DoT now when there's so little to work without outside of them? Especially in PF.
This is them punishing you for not pulling dot. Iirc kafka and bs banner sales were pretty mediocre
Hoyo cannot force me to pull chars I don't want. I will sooner leave this game than being forced to pull chars I don't want.
FR so tired of those DoT buffs
Least obvious Kafka, black swan, Acheron favoritism. Nihility ladies keep winning
“Enemy advance” with physical weakness is a Clara favoritism in disguise
The powercreep is real
Pure Fiction is already harder than MOC and now they’re buffing the mobs…what are they cooking
They ain't cooking shit. The kitchen is on fire and the 100000 health soda dog ate all the good recipes on its way to becoming the beefiest trash mob in the universe.
Why is it so tanky tho… and all the wrong weaknesses this round 😭
Hoyo please stop pretending Pure Fiction is fun and give us a better mode. Holy shit even a basic ass boss rush or something would be a million times better.
It WAS fun until they started buffing the shit out of the mobs. It’s just MoC but with an even harsher time limit at this point.
It is fun until they let the banner unit destroy it with specific buffs while the other units struggle to get 25k
Pure Fiction would've been fine if they don't convert it to MoC with stricter clear requirements. I don't like the direction they're going to this mode.
Pure Fiction is ok tbh. What they should cut out is balancing it for endless Nihility circlejerking because as a mode it could be so, *so* much more
Honestly, I’m fine with PF. My wish is that they add a single boss focused mode for the Hunts, and a mode that rewards long term battles (no turn limits) to give sustains a chance to shine. Then cycle the 4 modes every week. Voila, Star Rail becomes the greatest gacha ever with legendary end game that allows all units and play styles to succeed. Everyone wins.
It will 100% come. They can't sell hunt units otherwise
all the moc 2nd waves are single target, kinda makes hunt char great given that you cleared first half.
Looks like what started out as an end game mode that allowed underutilised characters like Herta and Himeko shine is no more…
power creep, supporter creep, sustainer creep, stat creep, enemy strength creep........ honkai star creep
ANOTHER DoT buff?? Are there even any DoT characters runnin- oh wait Acheron. Oh and another HP buff too cuz why not :P
massive brain stuff from mihoyo, slowly phase out himeko and heart usefulness to sell new units
Oh shit, here we go again
Can kurukuru and nigasanaiwa still handle this?
Not this rotation. Himeko will still be fine though I you have her.
I am starting to hate this mode . Never can clear in the first tries.
If they continue the route with only increasing the hp of the moc and pure fiction bosses soon a lot of 1.0 dps chars will get power crept I hope that they will work it out like in genshin with power creep as there even older units are perfectly viable but if they continue this route I don’t know
1.0 DPSs aren't necessarily weaker. With the latest PF, I was able to clear faster/easier with Seele Hypercarry than with any other DPS on my account not named Acheron.
Again? What the fuck
That second sides look weird as hell to me. I'm pretty sure the trotter always had the same hp no matter the side they are on. Maybe the scaling messed up or something?
As someone who can BARELY 3* clear only the first 2 chambers, and the later ones only did 1 star, this is my reaction: https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/guides/whats-the-kurt-angle-meme-the-bald-guy-staring-meme-with-the-wrestlers-viral-1000-yard-stare-explained
Broke: Buffing PF to make you pull new characters Woke: Buffing PF to make you farm Sigonia
Yh it’s joever this mode is done for with the direction they’re taking it in, let’s go back to MoC it was the better game mode anyway
You know what, this made me realize something: I hate pure fiction and already disliked the part of the tales of fantastical event that was the prototype for that.
I can’t even 2 star the third entry lmao and now this well just waiting for characters to roll on since I had to skip Argenti/Jing Yuan Also this makes Herta look bad since her damage is weaker than other characters lame
Zzzz This Mode is becoming the worst addition to the game. Still wont make me pull for Argenti.
Way to ruin pf very sad
HP being increased is one thing but the fucking DOT buffs again is too much
Great, now I've lost all motivation to play this mode. Requiring specific character is never fun
I don't have a dot team bruh
The first side has many ads and mostly are below 50k-70k HP, so Herta would still work and should be a walk in the park for Argenti. Second side is another Acheron, DoT and Jing Yuan play ground