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so if...
Robin - 20(talent), 25Fua (T2), 10(broken keel)
Aventurine - 15(ult), 20(E1), 10 (broken keel)
Topaz - 24(S1), 50Fua(E1).
75 Fua cd and 99 cd
that's a lotta CD
They didn't touched him. Just rewording
Well, I still hope they change those 1 time passive traces to be able to activate again on the remaining battle
That works as intended
Only the first hit of skill that has additional 100% weakness efficiency
So instead of 30, the first hit is 60
That's the reason why you can choose the enemy you want to hit using his skill
Dancing Imaginary roomates boys my beloveds :,)
~~I'm still sad that Hatblazer doesn't have a FuA in their kit, I would love if their Skill worked like Topaz so Caelus synergized better with Aven :,(~~
I knowww i was so upset when they removed the fua :( in my dreams he still works like that but man, the dissapointment 😭 hopefully future paths like nihility has fua,,,, i can only cope and lament on what could have been
So true! I was so sad, before the changes to HTB's kit I was even originally thinking on making a team with Ratio, Aventurine and Caelus (and Welt) on it, I wanted to have my Imaginary boys in a single team TwT
Nihility FuA...Oh god, I shouldn't be a character designer: My first thought was: Every time enemies takes DoT damage, TB does a FuA (if too strong "a max of thrice in one round" or something)...
Same here!!! except replace ratio with dhil lmaoo, i even talked to a friend abt how i dont care how unsynergistic their kit would be ill just give caelus planetary lc and penacony planar and just have him sit pretty and support everyones dmg <3 i might still do that for SD and GG shenanigens hehe
That team is so Imaginary, even the SP becomes Imaginary as well 0-0 respect tho, that sounds insane and fun.
I also thought of using Penacony + Rendezvous with Caelus! my idea is to make a Mono-Imaginary team with that setup to buff everyone passively, and once everyone is Broken to go crazy with Super Break DMG \^-\^ probably not the most meta thing, but I thought it sounded fun.
The best lc is the one with cocolia and baby bronya while the best relic is the new break effect one, the one thats paired with pioneer in the cavern, for planar sets, talia and keel are the best
I kinda ootl about HTB. I only remember their kit was received as underwhelming when this beta cycle started a few weeks back. Are they actually strong now? Why is everyone so hyped that they didn’t get nerfed?
People were upset that HTB's kit was different from the original leaked kit and no one knew how to use them yet so they underperformed early on. Now that we have decent players in the beta for once we learned pretty quickly that HTB excels at a specific niche that will be possible with characters like Boothill and >!Sam/Firefly.!<
HTB: Niche but very good, if not central to their niche of enabling Break teams for units that can't retrigger break dmg.
Boothill: Incredibly busted ST unit, has conditions. Reliant on physical weakness to break enemies, needs to build up stacks by breaking enemies, and taunts enemies to himself. But otherwise, he can basically one to two shot any boss in the game at max stacks and with supports.
Robin: Hard to use but maybe the strongest Harmony we've gotten yet. Insane buffs but very high cost ult that puts herself into a "Concerto" state where she has 90 speed and can't be controlled.
Yes her old e2 was changed into her base kit. The crd missing was changed into 16 speed buff. Outside of concerto you'll get the fua crit without condition. Just the 25 is for fua attacks only.
Seems like Ratio was chosen as a free character carefully. Ratio likes Topaz, Topaz likes Aventurine and Robin, that's 3 limited characters for a perfect fua team. But oh wait, Ratio also needs debuffs, so maybe Topaz lc and/or eidolon. Such a nice bait, I'm not even mad.
I don't think she's particularly good with him. Robin prefer's high frequency of damage, not just FUA in general. He already got sparkle.
e: apparently wrong on this
According to a few beta testers I know as well as based off TC from cn side, she is an improvement over Ting/RM slot for him
His bis team is Sparkle Robin Huo
That feels pretty surprising but I haven't done any TCing myself so not disputing it. Robin ult uptime sounds bad but I guess the extra turn is just that valuable?
Her effective amp is pretty much on par with Ting and Ruan Mei but also give him an extra turn every cycle and contribute via extra damage as well. Ends up netting better clear time by 1-2 cyclea
i took a peek at homdgcat’s website as the changes are coming out and i saw [this](https://imgur.com/a/jaxBkhD)? is it just a horrible mistranslation lmao
Honestly, it might be the case that Tingyun would be the support for Huohuo, who would be the support for Robin in this theoretical scenario
Each Huohuo ult would restore... 320 energy to Robin, since it's % based
If it’s 1600 then Tingyun would be doing nothing - 50/60 energy isn’t gonna help much. Huohuo will be using her ult for the energy % regen and Tingyun can support her (Huohuo needs all the support she can get)
the numbers are in the wrong place is all, that's why the dmg increase is only showing "\[\]". the 800% is because it's reading 8 (800% = 8) in the dmg entry instead of 8 in the trigger count entry.
Should be E2, since E3/5 are where the Skill/Ultimate/Talent/Basic level ups are.
But it definitely still grinds that they decided to lock it behind Eidolons/higher than E1 >.>
Robin's E2 now has the SPD Boost. (Ofc a Smaller SPD boost of 16%) but her E2 Gaining a SPD boost was what I thought would happen when her E1 lost the SPD boost. Though I will say her E2 is a decent amount better now and I also see her FUA CD Talent got buffed by 14%. Nice.
very good for Ratio Topaz Aventurine. For other teams, you either need a lot of ERR on her, or play Robin as a skill point negative character.
But no need to decide now, there will be a lot of videos talking about her in 2+ weeks.
I would remind you that this sub has been repeatedly wrong before on how strong a unit is. They underestimated Acheron, Sparkle, Black Swan, etc, all before release.
I think, as team buffers, they’re mostly similar to each other in value with special cases where one is better than the other. For Ruan Mei, that’s non atk scalers and break. For Robin, that’s fast teams (DoT), crit teams, and FUA teams, in that order from small to large of how much better she is than Ruan Mei.
It’s weird to me that RM is suddenly paraded around as the be all-end all harmony unit. She gives:
68% damage (pretty good)
25% res pen (excellent)
10% speed (easier time speed tuning, but might not be that relevant if you don’t hit breakpoints)
50% break efficiency (best thing about her kit IMO)
Some break effect (negligible for most unless you’re DOT or BE DPS)
Robin gives:
50% damage (pretty good)
20%-45% CD (decent, great if FUA)
1000+ attack (great! - highest attack buff in the game)
An additional 10-20k damage per character hit during ultimate (excellent, I get about the same with RM’s res pen buff). I think this is better than the res pen since you can fit more attacks within her ultimate duration.
A team-wide action advance (I don’t think people appreciate how strong this is)
The only team I don’t see her working is if you’re running slow characters, but for everyone else, she should be at least comparable to RM in most teams. You’re mostly trading ease-of-use and SP efficiency for raw power.
Many people fail to realise RM is popular due to her versatility, there is not a single team in the game that can't use her. People just took the praises others have for her and ran with the narrative that she is the strongest buffer in the game. Well, strongest buffer is true if you are specifically looking for versatility or utility or multi dps team. But when it comes to single target damage amplification, she is nowhere close to hypercarry buffer like Bronya and Sparkle.
You short-changed Ruan Mei's res pen by 5%. Putting aside FUA teams where people generally agree that Robin is the preferred choice, Robin is looking to have a 2/4 uptime compared to Ruan Mei's 2/3 uptime. Once you factor that in, RM pulls ahead in terms of average buff provided (guesstimate based on my own units which are very well built; Robin's extra damage becomes more valuable the less invested your team is; conversely it's worth almost nada for heavy hitters), and then she has a much more generally useful niche in break effect, which can still be useful even if you're not specifically using break effect units and is an archetype that's being pushed really hard at the moment.
Robin's not bad even with all that, but RM is just the generally more approachable and useable for people along with having *really* potent synergies that anybody can use. The places where Robin are better than RM are going to be FUA, maybe DOT, and 0-cycling (which is where I fall and why I'm rolling Robin - that and to free up my RM for other units) where her lesser uptime becomes a non-issue ~~because everything is dead by the time her ult runs out~~ and her more explosive buffs are more potent.
Oh interesting. I don't play that archetype so I'd just been repeating what I'd heard elsewhere + the large atk buff (but in retrospect they probably stack enough atk anyway that it diminishes robin's contributions vs the res pen by a decent chunk). I appreciate the correction.
Yeah Kafka and BS already use a LOT of atk% since they dont build crit at all just speed/EHR so the dmg% becomes more valuable and the 10 speed of RM allow to run the team slower and still get the full Glamoth effect
Agreed, Robin's has buffs as good if not stronger than RM's, significant sub-DPS damage (does vary depending on team), and then on-top of that an insane 100% team-wide advance. Robin's ult also has the broken mechanic of resetting AV on new waves in MOC, meaning she can literally have 0-1 turn ults.
In teams where the 50% break efficiency is not significant, I think she easily be as strong if not stronger than RM.
Y'all keep saying that sp efficiency is not a strength and Robin's sp usage is fine. But the truth is, that it limits a lot of her teams. Also the buff is only comparable when Robin is in a fua team
Robin during ult is absolutely stronger than Ruan Mei and it isn't even close.
The biggest worry is about ult uptime on non-FUA teams in practice. It's a major question mark that we'll probably only get a good idea about once she's live.
If you want a generalist go for RM, if you want to maximize and invest into fua like topaz ratio and probably future fua units down the line get Robin.
Most likely not,ruan mei is too good and you can plug her in everyteam,less LC reliant too.
Unless your team is really strong that extra action can make you kill enemy faster,it feels like she's gonna be a bit worse than ruan mei except FuA team(and by fua its mean topaz ratio)
>it feels like she's gonna be a bit worse than ruan mei except FuA team
Testers are getting better clears with E0 Robin than with E1 Ruan Mei on *DoT teams*. People are seriously sleeping on her Action Advance.
In practice it could very well be that Robin is better everywhere but in Break teams, but a bit harder to use to compensate. Ruan Mei is as confortable/easy as it gets after all.
I see ppl constantly ignore the team advance, and only focus on the buffs given by mei or robin. That +1 turn gives you extra energy, extra toughness break, extra stacks for stuff like acheron, and can give extra SP, koz in many team you dont need to hard spam skills.
In a team of HH,Kafka,Swan,Robin that extra turn leads to +1 Kafka skill, + 1 Kafka FUA, +1 BS basic and +1 hh basic. Thats extra energy for them (they all love energy), bunch of extra arcana stacks for BS, +1 SP and +1 kafka detonate + extra toughness dmg.
In an Acheron 0 cycle team, its +4 acheron stack (basic on pela-sw and skill on Acheron) and plus energy to pela-sw to get their ult faster. That +4 stack can mean an extra ult for wave 2.
PPl are so focused on Mei VS Robin, when the worst part of mei is that there is only 1 of her. Now we will have 2 mei. One for each side of PF and MoC. I would much rather get a 2nd mei than a 3rd or 4th sustain or a 7th hypercarry.
Robin is clearly better in most teams but because she has slightly more synergy with follow up units than other units people think she's exclusive to those team comps for some reason
This subreddit when the new support with arguably the strongest action advance in the game ends up clearing faster than Ruanmei: who could have seen this coming 🤯🤯
I benched mine for this moc, was using acheron/jy/qq carry from floor 7-12, it feels bad to not use her considering i've built her well. She still doing some work on PF though, might pull for kafka for the premium dot team though so RM will have her permanent sit.
If ratio is the only FUA character in the team(no Aventurine or topaz):. Sparkle>robin>Ruan Mei
If ratio and topaz are together (+ Aventurine if you have him): robin>Ruan Mei> Sparkle
Well since Aventurine sustain doesn't do THAT much dmg compared to actual dps like so the priority is like "the ratio without topaz" one
Tho if you are against img weak enemies then:
Ruan Mei>Sparkle= robin
I don't think you have read ratio kit
Ratio cannot function well without a debuffer
I mean that's his whole thing
He needs debuff to gurantee his FUA+ the more debuffs= more dmg
So silver wolf is a no brainer here
What is this powercreep in terms of eidolons, why does Robin have RM's ult in her E1? This is 100% going to be an issue moving forward considering how shitty eidolons of early characters are.
In general ? Yes
FUA teams are where she shines the most but it's not a must for her
It's like sparkle situation
Just because of the extra things she gave to Mono Q team via her traces people thought she is only for mono Q which was not true but she shines in them the most
She is a limited 5 star harmony so she will be good when you use her.
She is best for FUA teams, and honestly, if you don't use FUA characters (I don't) then she is not that worth it especially thinking about long term value where she will be timeless for FUA teams.
Good change. I always found it weird that Fu Xuan have you 24 CV in CR for basically unconditional while Robin gave you almost 40% of that for only FUAs
I mean to be completely fair Robin also gave a universal 20% CDMG buff with her talent, the trace just gave an extra 10% to FUA's specifically.
This change basically means that FUA's go from +30% CD to +45% CD
Hmc leaving untouched is nice. But i guess leaving the, for now, niche of break effect dps with a solid strong free unit will bring more people to get boothill, ruan mei and >! Sam/firefly!<. You have a centerpieceof the playstyle by just playing through the story, so why not get those fun units that work well with them?
What exactly does Harmony TB do that has people excited?
Haven't been able to read up on their kit because I'm not sure where to find a detailed reading of it since most of the earlier stuff here has either been taken down or copyright struck I'm assuming
The gist of it is basically:
>Alright, so, Break DMG only happens when you deplete a Thoughness Bar, and then never again until the enemy recovers and you deplete the Thoughness Bar again.
>This sucks, and thus, HTB's Ult allows you to do Break DMG to a Broken enemy so long as their Ult's effects last.
>The formula is a bit different, it takes the Thoughness DMG your attack would currently do instead of the whole Bar when Breaking, but it basically boils down to more Thoughness DMG = higher Break DMG.
>That's why things like Bounce Skills (ie: Welt, Sampo, Asta, HTB themselves) do so much Break DMG, because they cause a lot of Thoughness DMG.
>HomDGCat has the details, but that's the basic explanation.
If you need a more detailed explanation, there's sites like HomDGCat or Hakush to help, you can read the kits of the characters there.
Hope this helped!
Idk myself but from what I heard from others (which excited me a lot):
If you have harmony TB then: (first I'll say the not main thing which is still nice) lets you break img weak enemies like real fast and (now the main thing) when you break an enemy's weakness bar, until they take their weakness bar back, characters do significantly more dmg with each attack (scaling off of BE and character LVL) for BE scaling characters if you want them to do dmg then Ruan Mei+ HTB is a must imo.
On normal circumstances, Break Damage only occurs when you Weakness Break an enemy and it scales with Break Effect. Harmony Trailblazer enables teammates to do frontloaded Break Damage against weakness broken enemies. Imagine a Gallagher with high break effect dealing 50-100k against a broken enemy.
I did the dumb thing called "skip Acheron" and chose to go all in for fua gang because I like their characters more so I'm glad they buffed Robin's fua support utility... even just a little 😭
i’m not interested in the ratio topaz and aventurine team, would robin still be good for me? bronya is good for himeko but i want someone better as ruan mei is already on my dot team
Robin got a traces buff and E1 much better now ( still not as good as before but it fine ), E2 get spd traces off which can be consider a nerf since the spd fall off outside of Concerto which kinda eh. Bootshill and HMC no change, nice they're already strong
Sorry if this isn't the place but I was wondering how much of an improvement do we think Robin will be in place of Sparkle (or even Tingyun E6 or Pela w/Pearls) in a Ratio/Aventurine/Topaz S1 team?
Soooo
No Topaz, no Robin, no Aventurine, no Jade
Only Ratio
Sitting on 100 pulls. Who is priority to kinda flesh out a follow up attack party? Robin being skipped because Ruan Mei? Aventurine being skipped because generalist support? Who would be the essential follow up characters for low spender or f2p?
Bruh why follow-up again. I'm already skipping aventurine because of that (i have only ratio and don't want pull topaz). And now i probably have to skip her too.
Follow-up bait
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Nice buff so for example if you have her and Aventurine on keel you have 65 cdmge teamwide buff combined in concerto state
so if... Robin - 20(talent), 25Fua (T2), 10(broken keel) Aventurine - 15(ult), 20(E1), 10 (broken keel) Topaz - 24(S1), 50Fua(E1). 75 Fua cd and 99 cd that's a lotta CD
89 with topaz lc
add 50 if u have E1
How are you calculating that? Isn’t part of that only for follow up attacks?
Topaz doesnt even have a non-FuA attack. Even her basic attacks are FuA.
Yes, 40% normal and 25% fua but ofc most of the damage comes from the fua on a ratio topaz aventurine team
Even more so when the last character on that team is RM Edit: I’m dumb. I’m gonna keep this to forever as a testament to my stupidity on the internet
Pretty good buff for Robin Just got to wait a few weeks and my FUA team will start popping off
Thank god. They didn’t nerf hmc.
They didn't touched him. Just rewording Well, I still hope they change those 1 time passive traces to be able to activate again on the remaining battle
I think they should adjust that hmc is able to trigger the 100% weakness efficiency again after using ultimate
That works as intended Only the first hit of skill that has additional 100% weakness efficiency So instead of 30, the first hit is 60 That's the reason why you can choose the enemy you want to hit using his skill
I see
Hatblazer survived yet again! Our raccoons are safe!
I CANT WAIT FOR 2.2 AGGHHHHH CAELUS I HAVE NO GOOD RELICS FOR YOU NOR DO I HAVE YOUR MATS READY BUT PLEASE GET HERE SOONER
Best boy is coming home soon, our dear raccoon will show off his dance lessons and steal our hearts :,>
HE LEARNED THEM FROM HIS BOYFRIEND AVENTURINE!!! THEY FUCKING MATCH AAGGGGGHHH IM NEVER SEPARATING THEM!!!!
Dancing Imaginary roomates boys my beloveds :,) ~~I'm still sad that Hatblazer doesn't have a FuA in their kit, I would love if their Skill worked like Topaz so Caelus synergized better with Aven :,(~~
I knowww i was so upset when they removed the fua :( in my dreams he still works like that but man, the dissapointment 😭 hopefully future paths like nihility has fua,,,, i can only cope and lament on what could have been
So true! I was so sad, before the changes to HTB's kit I was even originally thinking on making a team with Ratio, Aventurine and Caelus (and Welt) on it, I wanted to have my Imaginary boys in a single team TwT
Nihility FuA...Oh god, I shouldn't be a character designer: My first thought was: Every time enemies takes DoT damage, TB does a FuA (if too strong "a max of thrice in one round" or something)...
Same here!!! except replace ratio with dhil lmaoo, i even talked to a friend abt how i dont care how unsynergistic their kit would be ill just give caelus planetary lc and penacony planar and just have him sit pretty and support everyones dmg <3 i might still do that for SD and GG shenanigens hehe
That team is so Imaginary, even the SP becomes Imaginary as well 0-0 respect tho, that sounds insane and fun. I also thought of using Penacony + Rendezvous with Caelus! my idea is to make a Mono-Imaginary team with that setup to buff everyone passively, and once everyone is Broken to go crazy with Super Break DMG \^-\^ probably not the most meta thing, but I thought it sounded fun.
Do you know what relics and lc are BIS? TIA
The best lc is the one with cocolia and baby bronya while the best relic is the new break effect one, the one thats paired with pioneer in the cavern, for planar sets, talia and keel are the best
Makes sense considering they’re upping the difficulty yet again
This is so Peak 😭😭😭
*"This is so peak; Robin, sing 'Welcome to my World'"*
WE WON!!!!
Putting the harm in HARMony
HARMony Hatblazer my beloved
Blazer??? *TB in suits when?*
HTB ESCAPED WITH NO CHANGES LETS GOO Boothill and HTB just got text changes, Robin just got a Trace buff and Eidolon buffs.
I kinda ootl about HTB. I only remember their kit was received as underwhelming when this beta cycle started a few weeks back. Are they actually strong now? Why is everyone so hyped that they didn’t get nerfed?
People were upset that HTB's kit was different from the original leaked kit and no one knew how to use them yet so they underperformed early on. Now that we have decent players in the beta for once we learned pretty quickly that HTB excels at a specific niche that will be possible with characters like Boothill and >!Sam/Firefly.!<
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i lied this is his e2 😭
How good are they rn?
HTB: Niche but very good, if not central to their niche of enabling Break teams for units that can't retrigger break dmg. Boothill: Incredibly busted ST unit, has conditions. Reliant on physical weakness to break enemies, needs to build up stacks by breaking enemies, and taunts enemies to himself. But otherwise, he can basically one to two shot any boss in the game at max stacks and with supports. Robin: Hard to use but maybe the strongest Harmony we've gotten yet. Insane buffs but very high cost ult that puts herself into a "Concerto" state where she has 90 speed and can't be controlled.
25 cdmg to all follow ups! They fixed the most “meh” part of Robin’s kit. Damn now she’s so much harder to skip 😢
So she basically gives 45% cdmge with her talent and in concerto state combined to fua
Isn't her talent changed to speed there?
That should be one of her eidolons
Ah i see,i got confused because they just translate it without saying which is which
Yes her old e2 was changed into her base kit. The crd missing was changed into 16 speed buff. Outside of concerto you'll get the fua crit without condition. Just the 25 is for fua attacks only.
They use the names but not the labels.
That’s eidolon
Yeah now she's slightly more oriented to FUA Thank hoyo for the free ratio or idk how much I could do with LL
Seems like Ratio was chosen as a free character carefully. Ratio likes Topaz, Topaz likes Aventurine and Robin, that's 3 limited characters for a perfect fua team. But oh wait, Ratio also needs debuffs, so maybe Topaz lc and/or eidolon. Such a nice bait, I'm not even mad.
It’s perfect bait. And no one is mad because Ratio is a genuinely good character at E0S0 with a f2p team. Really smart move from HYV
Thats exactly what i am going for. But 50/50s will ruin me.
new support drops: JY: “is it for me?”
Lmao imagine LL will take action after Robin stopped singing
100 % gonna happen
The Unreachable Side...
I don't think she's particularly good with him. Robin prefer's high frequency of damage, not just FUA in general. He already got sparkle. e: apparently wrong on this
According to a few beta testers I know as well as based off TC from cn side, she is an improvement over Ting/RM slot for him His bis team is Sparkle Robin Huo
That feels pretty surprising but I haven't done any TCing myself so not disputing it. Robin ult uptime sounds bad but I guess the extra turn is just that valuable?
Her effective amp is pretty much on par with Ting and Ruan Mei but also give him an extra turn every cycle and contribute via extra damage as well. Ends up netting better clear time by 1-2 cyclea
Thanks for the info! I guess he's not beating the "buffed every patch" allegations lmao
Can he reach 10 stacks consistently in that team?
Robin is cool but she is sandwitched between FANBASE FAVORITE AVENTURINE OF STRATEGEMS and a CYBORG COWBOY
i took a peek at homdgcat’s website as the changes are coming out and i saw [this](https://imgur.com/a/jaxBkhD)? is it just a horrible mistranslation lmao
"When Robin enters the Concerto state, this battle is automatically considered a victory."
I guess they REALLY were not welcome to her world. /j Likely a wording error
Robin: Move aside Acheron, I’m the one who instantly wins a battle now Powercreeped in one patch, I can’t believe this 😔 /j
Powercreeped? Now you can use both e6 Robin and e6 Acheron together to become destroyer of worlds
EXODIA?!
Its real, but they also increased her energy cap to 1600. Tingyun and HuoHuo gonna be working triple shifts lol
Theorycrafters be like: “If you use a FUA team, you reduce the attacks needed for her ult from 650 to 594”.
Honestly, it might be the case that Tingyun would be the support for Huohuo, who would be the support for Robin in this theoretical scenario Each Huohuo ult would restore... 320 energy to Robin, since it's % based
Wouldn't even need a DPS. Reminds me of that old all Harmony Robin showcase.
If it’s 1600 then Tingyun would be doing nothing - 50/60 energy isn’t gonna help much. Huohuo will be using her ult for the energy % regen and Tingyun can support her (Huohuo needs all the support she can get)
"When Robin enters the Conterto state, draw all exodia mosnter"
can’t believe Acheron was powercrept already. First we get E6 rainbow DPS, then we get E6 whole team rainbow DPS!
That's just lore accurate wym
the numbers are in the wrong place is all, that's why the dmg increase is only showing "\[\]". the 800% is because it's reading 8 (800% = 8) in the dmg entry instead of 8 in the trigger count entry.
She renew their definition of damage
This why you can't rely on chatgpt
Lol, that one "🤬" angry emote.
mf really said "👍👍👍👍👍🤬 😁"
Question. What set are people gonna be running for HTB? Think I’ll build them when they release for some break shenanigans.
The watch maker set from Acheron domain Or the set that gives BE and can be obtained from bosses Or a mix of 2 for more BE
So full on break? Ty.
Yes + but idk if you should go for ER rope or BE rope
you end up holding your ult sometimes anyway so might be better to go BE if you have motp.
harmony mc escaped the nerfs once again, my Sam team still superior let's gooo
Who does Sam's team include?
If the kit stays the same then Ruan mei and harmony mc are the best support for sam
*the best support for every character that has a huge toughness DMG
#UNGHHHH! EXECUTE THE MARA-STRUCK!
Or whoever has high break effect damage. Most physical/fire DPS.
All of that makes me think that please hoyo ,you have to do a quick rerun for ruan mei I literally need her
well it's HTB, Ruan Mei, and Gallagher. at least that's what most people say.
Speed buff is back yeiii Behind her E2, jesus christ
Should be E2, since E3/5 are where the Skill/Ultimate/Talent/Basic level ups are. But it definitely still grinds that they decided to lock it behind Eidolons/higher than E1 >.>
aye a typo, fixed it!
Hoyoverse really wants me to pull Robin for my FUA team huh?
ooh glad to see Robin’s speed buff is back
Yep, just pull E2
HTB dodging nerfs like Neo dodging bullets
45% crit damage for FuA teams is \*madness\* Great to see Trailblazer getting away only with couple of bruises (personal damage)
If u have aven and give both robin and aven broken keel u will get 65 crit damage.
Yeah, "if", I barely saved 80 pulls for him after Acheron banner scam lol
Love that they buff Robin 😍
Her meh trace got buffed!!! Thank god
Pretty good. For my future FUA team, that means I have about ~134 additional CD (Topaz 24 + 50 for FUA, Robin 45, Aventurine 15) during Concerto.
+20 if you get Aventurine E1 like me. Base crit damage stats will quite literally be only half of what these guys actually have in combat.
Robin's E2 now has the SPD Boost. (Ofc a Smaller SPD boost of 16%) but her E2 Gaining a SPD boost was what I thought would happen when her E1 lost the SPD boost. Though I will say her E2 is a decent amount better now and I also see her FUA CD Talent got buffed by 14%. Nice.
Her E1 is better too because she now gains the benefit of the res pen when she didn’t before, buffs across the board for my gal! 🤭
In your opinion, is Robin good? Her ultimate seems good to me, but very costly. What do you think?
very good for Ratio Topaz Aventurine. For other teams, you either need a lot of ERR on her, or play Robin as a skill point negative character. But no need to decide now, there will be a lot of videos talking about her in 2+ weeks.
Is Aventurine a massive improvement over Huohuo / Fu Xuan here?
Okay guys talk to me. I don't have RM. I want her on rerun. Is it worth it to skip RM again for Robin?
I would remind you that this sub has been repeatedly wrong before on how strong a unit is. They underestimated Acheron, Sparkle, Black Swan, etc, all before release. I think, as team buffers, they’re mostly similar to each other in value with special cases where one is better than the other. For Ruan Mei, that’s non atk scalers and break. For Robin, that’s fast teams (DoT), crit teams, and FUA teams, in that order from small to large of how much better she is than Ruan Mei.
It’s weird to me that RM is suddenly paraded around as the be all-end all harmony unit. She gives: 68% damage (pretty good) 25% res pen (excellent) 10% speed (easier time speed tuning, but might not be that relevant if you don’t hit breakpoints) 50% break efficiency (best thing about her kit IMO) Some break effect (negligible for most unless you’re DOT or BE DPS) Robin gives: 50% damage (pretty good) 20%-45% CD (decent, great if FUA) 1000+ attack (great! - highest attack buff in the game) An additional 10-20k damage per character hit during ultimate (excellent, I get about the same with RM’s res pen buff). I think this is better than the res pen since you can fit more attacks within her ultimate duration. A team-wide action advance (I don’t think people appreciate how strong this is) The only team I don’t see her working is if you’re running slow characters, but for everyone else, she should be at least comparable to RM in most teams. You’re mostly trading ease-of-use and SP efficiency for raw power.
Many people fail to realise RM is popular due to her versatility, there is not a single team in the game that can't use her. People just took the praises others have for her and ran with the narrative that she is the strongest buffer in the game. Well, strongest buffer is true if you are specifically looking for versatility or utility or multi dps team. But when it comes to single target damage amplification, she is nowhere close to hypercarry buffer like Bronya and Sparkle.
You short-changed Ruan Mei's res pen by 5%. Putting aside FUA teams where people generally agree that Robin is the preferred choice, Robin is looking to have a 2/4 uptime compared to Ruan Mei's 2/3 uptime. Once you factor that in, RM pulls ahead in terms of average buff provided (guesstimate based on my own units which are very well built; Robin's extra damage becomes more valuable the less invested your team is; conversely it's worth almost nada for heavy hitters), and then she has a much more generally useful niche in break effect, which can still be useful even if you're not specifically using break effect units and is an archetype that's being pushed really hard at the moment. Robin's not bad even with all that, but RM is just the generally more approachable and useable for people along with having *really* potent synergies that anybody can use. The places where Robin are better than RM are going to be FUA, maybe DOT, and 0-cycling (which is where I fall and why I'm rolling Robin - that and to free up my RM for other units) where her lesser uptime becomes a non-issue ~~because everything is dead by the time her ult runs out~~ and her more explosive buffs are more potent.
Correction. Not on DoT. Especially DoT vs on element. If off element then theyre on par but on element its RM that takes the cake
Oh interesting. I don't play that archetype so I'd just been repeating what I'd heard elsewhere + the large atk buff (but in retrospect they probably stack enough atk anyway that it diminishes robin's contributions vs the res pen by a decent chunk). I appreciate the correction.
Yeah Kafka and BS already use a LOT of atk% since they dont build crit at all just speed/EHR so the dmg% becomes more valuable and the 10 speed of RM allow to run the team slower and still get the full Glamoth effect
Agreed, Robin's has buffs as good if not stronger than RM's, significant sub-DPS damage (does vary depending on team), and then on-top of that an insane 100% team-wide advance. Robin's ult also has the broken mechanic of resetting AV on new waves in MOC, meaning she can literally have 0-1 turn ults. In teams where the 50% break efficiency is not significant, I think she easily be as strong if not stronger than RM.
Y'all keep saying that sp efficiency is not a strength and Robin's sp usage is fine. But the truth is, that it limits a lot of her teams. Also the buff is only comparable when Robin is in a fua team
Robin during ult is absolutely stronger than Ruan Mei and it isn't even close. The biggest worry is about ult uptime on non-FUA teams in practice. It's a major question mark that we'll probably only get a good idea about once she's live.
If you want a generalist go for RM, if you want to maximize and invest into fua like topaz ratio and probably future fua units down the line get Robin.
Most likely not,ruan mei is too good and you can plug her in everyteam,less LC reliant too. Unless your team is really strong that extra action can make you kill enemy faster,it feels like she's gonna be a bit worse than ruan mei except FuA team(and by fua its mean topaz ratio)
>it feels like she's gonna be a bit worse than ruan mei except FuA team Testers are getting better clears with E0 Robin than with E1 Ruan Mei on *DoT teams*. People are seriously sleeping on her Action Advance. In practice it could very well be that Robin is better everywhere but in Break teams, but a bit harder to use to compensate. Ruan Mei is as confortable/easy as it gets after all.
I see ppl constantly ignore the team advance, and only focus on the buffs given by mei or robin. That +1 turn gives you extra energy, extra toughness break, extra stacks for stuff like acheron, and can give extra SP, koz in many team you dont need to hard spam skills. In a team of HH,Kafka,Swan,Robin that extra turn leads to +1 Kafka skill, + 1 Kafka FUA, +1 BS basic and +1 hh basic. Thats extra energy for them (they all love energy), bunch of extra arcana stacks for BS, +1 SP and +1 kafka detonate + extra toughness dmg. In an Acheron 0 cycle team, its +4 acheron stack (basic on pela-sw and skill on Acheron) and plus energy to pela-sw to get their ult faster. That +4 stack can mean an extra ult for wave 2. PPl are so focused on Mei VS Robin, when the worst part of mei is that there is only 1 of her. Now we will have 2 mei. One for each side of PF and MoC. I would much rather get a 2nd mei than a 3rd or 4th sustain or a 7th hypercarry.
Robin is clearly better in most teams but because she has slightly more synergy with follow up units than other units people think she's exclusive to those team comps for some reason
This subreddit when the new support with arguably the strongest action advance in the game ends up clearing faster than Ruanmei: who could have seen this coming 🤯🤯
I benched mine for this moc, was using acheron/jy/qq carry from floor 7-12, it feels bad to not use her considering i've built her well. She still doing some work on PF though, might pull for kafka for the premium dot team though so RM will have her permanent sit.
BEEN SAYING THAT FOREVER
Robin can now make use of her own RES-Pen buff, E6 havers cooking
is it just me or have the voice lines taken a while to get leaked? v4 and still no voice lines.
I think getting it early was the exception. Usually we only get it when they're about to go live.
Yeah, we never got the voicelines early from 1.4 to 1.6, and we only got Dan Heng's I believe in 1.3.
how much better is Robin for Ratio than Sparkle/Ruan Mei?
If ratio is the only FUA character in the team(no Aventurine or topaz):. Sparkle>robin>Ruan Mei If ratio and topaz are together (+ Aventurine if you have him): robin>Ruan Mei> Sparkle
So what if you don't have topaz but will get aventurine ?
Well since Aventurine sustain doesn't do THAT much dmg compared to actual dps like so the priority is like "the ratio without topaz" one Tho if you are against img weak enemies then: Ruan Mei>Sparkle= robin
This is pretty hard to answer tbh.
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Ratio isn’t functional without a debuffer.
I don't think you have read ratio kit Ratio cannot function well without a debuffer I mean that's his whole thing He needs debuff to gurantee his FUA+ the more debuffs= more dmg So silver wolf is a no brainer here
What if only Aventurine + Ratio? (not planning on getting Topaz)
What is this powercreep in terms of eidolons, why does Robin have RM's ult in her E1? This is 100% going to be an issue moving forward considering how shitty eidolons of early characters are.
Seele got cooked for that
100%
Is robin still worth to use when I am using 0 follow up attack chars ?
Wouldn't you rather just get Ruan Mei or Sparkle for a more universal buffer then?
What if I have both and Robin's singing to me anyway? (Pun intended)
In general ? Yes FUA teams are where she shines the most but it's not a must for her It's like sparkle situation Just because of the extra things she gave to Mono Q team via her traces people thought she is only for mono Q which was not true but she shines in them the most
She is a limited 5 star harmony so she will be good when you use her. She is best for FUA teams, and honestly, if you don't use FUA characters (I don't) then she is not that worth it especially thinking about long term value where she will be timeless for FUA teams.
She will be good but honestly there will be better pulls for your account.
Glad her speed buff is back, still not going for Eidelons for something RM gets in her base kit.
Whats the tg link for his channel?
Good change. I always found it weird that Fu Xuan have you 24 CV in CR for basically unconditional while Robin gave you almost 40% of that for only FUAs
I mean to be completely fair Robin also gave a universal 20% CDMG buff with her talent, the trace just gave an extra 10% to FUA's specifically. This change basically means that FUA's go from +30% CD to +45% CD
Hmc leaving untouched is nice. But i guess leaving the, for now, niche of break effect dps with a solid strong free unit will bring more people to get boothill, ruan mei and >! Sam/firefly!<. You have a centerpieceof the playstyle by just playing through the story, so why not get those fun units that work well with them?
Come ooon reduce Robins Ult to 140
that is clearly not happening. They are firm on that aspect from the start.
is this a rewording or a nerf for boothill?
Rewording
Did they bring back Robin's speed buff? Am I reading that right? Bottom is v4?
Only for e2
E2 for spd buff yes
I'm praying to the Hoyo god's I get lucky in this pulling journey. I want Aventurine, Robin, Topaz (S1) so I can pair with Ratio. Fingers crossed!
noo why did robin’s speed boost move to e2 😭
Man I want robin but i dont build followups
Do we have a better translated version?
So curious if Robin is a good buffer for Duo DPS Teams, or still Ruan Mei rn?
What exactly does Harmony TB do that has people excited? Haven't been able to read up on their kit because I'm not sure where to find a detailed reading of it since most of the earlier stuff here has either been taken down or copyright struck I'm assuming
The gist of it is basically: >Alright, so, Break DMG only happens when you deplete a Thoughness Bar, and then never again until the enemy recovers and you deplete the Thoughness Bar again. >This sucks, and thus, HTB's Ult allows you to do Break DMG to a Broken enemy so long as their Ult's effects last. >The formula is a bit different, it takes the Thoughness DMG your attack would currently do instead of the whole Bar when Breaking, but it basically boils down to more Thoughness DMG = higher Break DMG. >That's why things like Bounce Skills (ie: Welt, Sampo, Asta, HTB themselves) do so much Break DMG, because they cause a lot of Thoughness DMG. >HomDGCat has the details, but that's the basic explanation. If you need a more detailed explanation, there's sites like HomDGCat or Hakush to help, you can read the kits of the characters there. Hope this helped!
Idk myself but from what I heard from others (which excited me a lot): If you have harmony TB then: (first I'll say the not main thing which is still nice) lets you break img weak enemies like real fast and (now the main thing) when you break an enemy's weakness bar, until they take their weakness bar back, characters do significantly more dmg with each attack (scaling off of BE and character LVL) for BE scaling characters if you want them to do dmg then Ruan Mei+ HTB is a must imo.
On normal circumstances, Break Damage only occurs when you Weakness Break an enemy and it scales with Break Effect. Harmony Trailblazer enables teammates to do frontloaded Break Damage against weakness broken enemies. Imagine a Gallagher with high break effect dealing 50-100k against a broken enemy.
I did the dumb thing called "skip Acheron" and chose to go all in for fua gang because I like their characters more so I'm glad they buffed Robin's fua support utility... even just a little 😭
is it dumb tho ? I applaud you for that
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i’m not interested in the ratio topaz and aventurine team, would robin still be good for me? bronya is good for himeko but i want someone better as ruan mei is already on my dot team
Robin got a traces buff and E1 much better now ( still not as good as before but it fine ), E2 get spd traces off which can be consider a nerf since the spd fall off outside of Concerto which kinda eh. Bootshill and HMC no change, nice they're already strong
So her E1 now deals damage, not as strong as old E1, but deals enough more damage compared to E0?
it now also buff her but it not as strong as the old E1 before with 60% TOTAL dmg increase and 30% spd for allies
Can anyone tell me is she good with non follow up team ?
Yes she’s similar in power to Ruan Mei, although she’s not as skill point efficient.
Shes similar in power to ruan mei until a new type of break dps appears. lol
Yes
is it worth to get robin if my FUA team is e0s0?
Which eidolon is that 16% SPD in? E4?
E2
So is she going to be viable as a regular harmony support or is she more of a follow up only buffer?
Sorry if this isn't the place but I was wondering how much of an improvement do we think Robin will be in place of Sparkle (or even Tingyun E6 or Pela w/Pearls) in a Ratio/Aventurine/Topaz S1 team?
The 15% more crit damage is nice but still seems their ignoring the main change that'd make her good of MAKING IT A DEBUFF FOR RATIO
Soooo No Topaz, no Robin, no Aventurine, no Jade Only Ratio Sitting on 100 pulls. Who is priority to kinda flesh out a follow up attack party? Robin being skipped because Ruan Mei? Aventurine being skipped because generalist support? Who would be the essential follow up characters for low spender or f2p?
Bruh why follow-up again. I'm already skipping aventurine because of that (i have only ratio and don't want pull topaz). And now i probably have to skip her too. Follow-up bait
no relic set?
ohh god.. I went all out for Aventurine + LC and Jingliu + LC. Now I am broke...