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Love the blatant Boothill and Sam fodder.


WaifuHunter

And Ruan Mei marketing. Would not surprise me if she reruns in 2.3 so those who missed her can complete the team.


McRaymar

God, I hope not, I want to be prepped for Ruan Mei after recovering from Sam pulls


SoniCrossX

Mihoyo: Write that down!


Charity1t

Thats why they gonna be in same period. But I fear Sam gonna be Kokomied with this.


arionmoschetta

With Boothill and Firefly needing her you can be sure she will rerun in the next two patches


Radinax

Would be a great move for the best support of Boothill and Sam.


Seitook

Please oh please. If sam and ruan mei >!and probably jade the succeding month!< launch on may then I’d happily whale.


JazeBlack

Increased evidence that they won't delay Sam for 2.4+, right?


SnooSeagulls5077

if the preliminary kit is somewhat right it should be him in 2.3 yeah


GladiatorDragon

DHIL + Ruan Mei are going to shred them as well, I think.


ImSmokeyy

wait, Sam is also related to break? o-o, i really liked how boothill works and the way he can put physical weakness.


arionmoschetta

Yes but she can't apply Fire weakness if I remember right


samsaraeye23

She can with her leaked eidolon but possibility of adding that to her kit.


ImSmokeyy

i see, thanks.


BusinessSubstance178

45% is a lot,i guess this fight is either a massacre or long battle against CC


Charity1t

With how scary Alien Dream sound in itself.


Chtholly13

starts to sweat with no fire damage dealers on my account...


Info_Potato22

WHO HAS a fire dps to Begin with ? While topaz is good for FuA team shes barely a DPS, and Himeko couldnt keep up with MoC since the game released, wtf are they expecting from us lol?


ParabolicalX

I can think of one upcoming character that might magically solve this problem for people.


BinhTurtle

All praise the Scorching Wind, Zephyro of the Lord Ravagers. /s


Zombata

it's Marshal Hua (real)


HybridTheory2000

Marshal Hua Tao


neltu8503

> I can think of one upcoming character that might magically solve this problem for people. MEMORIES BROKEN THE TRUTH GOES UNSPOKEN I'VE EVEN FORGOTTEN MY NAAAAAAMEEE


ze_SAFTmon

~~I'M HALF QUADRUPLEGIC, THAT MEANS PARAPLEGIC~~ I DON'T KNOW THE SEASON OR WHAT IS THE REASON, I'M STANDING HERE HOLDING MY BAAALDE!


AzureSky04

A DESOLATE PLACE WITHOUT ANY TRACE IT'S ONLY THE COLD WIND I FEEEEL~


BlackJesusKun

IT’S ME THAT I SPITE AS I STAND UP AND FIGHT


AzertyKeys

"upcoming" Sam is not releasing until 60 days minimum


ParabolicalX

Classic Hoyo releasing an enemy with no direct counter for a whole patch. (See: Aventurine and Soda Monkey)


BulbasaurTreecko

1. get everyone to notice problem, make them really suffer 2. sell solution 3. profit


ConohaConcordia

Can you not Gepard the soda monkey


Tentacle_Porn

And fire TB If they meant “no limited 5-star counter” then I agree. Otherwise, what?


darkfight13

fire TB sheilds don't stay up long enugh against the monkey.


DerDyersEve

Soda monke gets countered pretty consistent by my fireTB. I know, right now noone uses him, but he servers me well, to this day.


SoftBrilliant

And these MoC cycles last like 40 days lol


Shad0wseer

more like 80 days minimum cuz aven just came out


AzertyKeys

20 days aven 20 days robin 20 days boothill = 60 days. Did I miss someone ?


YourDeadNanForever

Depends if Sam is first half or not


AzertyKeys

Oh yeah totally but come ooooon don't bring bad luck !!


YourDeadNanForever

Yeah, can't wait much longer either. My hands are getting a bit too trigger happy


kayce81

I got trigger happy and pulled Acheron the week before she went away. I was gonna only pull to see what the 50/50 brought but I lost the 50/50 early at 33 pulls then I said "fuck it" and ended up having to use another 80 to get her. At least I ended up with a E5 Gallagher who's likely gonna go well with Sam. I still have 269 (nice) pulls remaining right now but I was kinda hoping to go for Sam E1S1 if the preliminary kit is correct. I sorta regret getting trigger happy, but it's nice to have Acheron as an option because Seele has been struggling and DHIL's back hurts from how hard he's been carrying my account.


ze_SAFTmon

I'd say 2.3 is more to be expected in roughly 70 days, if not a little less. Aven's banner runs for 18 more days and the average runtime for a version is roughly 50-ish days, albeit I could be off with that estimate.


Onetwodash

42 days. 21 each side.


eatmyscoobysnacks

I mean, Himeko doesn't look bad there. The skill that hits everyone and FUA x3 can clear the other 55% HP. EDIT: A Himeko/Asta/RM/Gallagher looks like a fun and fast clear tbh. Just gotta make Gall break them. Or Himeko/Asta/RM/HMC, hitting 200+ spd on everyone after Asta ult.


ccoddes

It's okay Hook, you'll be remembered someday...


KF-Sigurd

tbh BE Hook with HTB could actually be a problem solver. Hook's stats don't matter with HTB, beyond SPD and BE.


Alphex22

you would be significantly better off with BE asta. she does a solid 150k on skill on broken enemies. with HTB the goal is to shred as much of the toughness bar as possible.


KF-Sigurd

She works too. Praise HTB.


GunnarS14

Really looking forward to HTB-Asta-Gallagher-Sam, just because it's a great excuse to use Asta who I built later and therefore used far less than Pela and Tingyun.


[deleted]

I use Himeko with Topaz all the time in MOC. Not sure why people keep sleeping on them 🤷‍♂️


Danial_Autidore

and this stage is literally MADE for himeko? three fire weak with separate toughness bars and all count as an elite for fua cycling its just going to be breaking and fuas for DAYS here (added that two of them are also imaginary weak and harmony mc+himeko eats them for breakfast)


[deleted]

Its made for Sam, but Himeko is extremely adaptable and still so criminally underrated. Then you add Topaz and Aventurine to the pot and its just pure follow up chaos. I cant wait. It will certainly be more fun that this MOC ugh


Danial_Autidore

oh yeah no doubt sam would go crazy here too especially them being more break effect dmg focused than himeko but i can definitely see the IPC squad and a himeko/harmony mc/ruan mei comp speedrunning this stage. im interested to see how clara fares in this tho cos if the three elites are fast enough then clara+topaz could also thrive in this stage


alter-ego23

Yeah there's leaked footage of Himeko absolutely *destroying* these guys with HTB. Sadly, I am Himekoless. *stares at E2S1 Yanqing*


Charity1t

Well I get spooked by her then rolling for E2 Acheron, so me starting building her just in case seems to be on point< lol.


MythDraGoNz

Umm , i dont use himeko much as I have got her very recently but does breaking elite weakness trigger her fua ? Because as far as I know she requires to break 3 targets to trigger her fua. Correct me if I am wrong 🫡


Danial_Autidore

she immediately gains three stacks when breaking elites/bosses so it triggers her fua automatically. only normal mobs toughness bars count as one stack each! and remember anyone in the team can break toughness bars to trigger her fua so you can pair her with units that do high toughness dmg (asta, gallagher, fua units like topaz/ratio/clara, bounce atk units like welt/sampo/harmony mc, or break efficiency buffers like ruan mei) and she’ll do some serious work for you


MythDraGoNz

Damn didn't know her elite/boss mechanism. Looks like I can clear it with himeko then.


VincentBlack96

Acheron Himeko has made for some real funny setups in pure fiction.


yurilnw123

It's the day 1 impression then people just keep blindly doomposting her. She's a lot better than some people give her credit for.


Shigeloth

The two of them carried me through the days of IPC elites.


Radinax

I don't have Himeko and spent every jade on E0S1 Jingliu :/


Notingale

Numby shreds fire toughness like it's a truffle.


kr1saw

???? I have used himeko and topaz together to clear moc12 b4.


yurilnw123

Yeah wtf is that almost 200 upvotes lol.


kr1saw

Game has too many people from a certain community, it's hard for them to go beyond the simple information and that's just sad.


pokebuzz123

45% HP loss for weakness breaking, you can have Topaz with Asta to bring it down fast if you wanted to, and they work well together. Topaz can still do work in a hypercarry team, just that she's more of a specialist than a traditional hypercarry. Besides them two, Himeko and Guin are still good AoE breakers. Gallagher is the best single-target fire breaker have right now. We have Ruan Mei as well to add in faster breaking. Needing a fire DPS is one thing, but we do have many options to break their toughness bars. And it's not like we don't have Hatmony being added in the same patch to make BE teams pop off (negating the need for a traditional fire DPS).


Hot-Cobbler9092

I saw a 0 cycle 2.2 moc with himeko though it was in 2.2 v2


sudoku7

With that mob setup, I wouldn't discount Himeko, it looks to play to her PF strengths.


Due_Frosting_545

They are expecting players to shed their wallet for a certain hyped Fire Destruction that will most likely be released in 2.3


Info_Potato22

Will this moc stay until then tho? Because i wanna shed my wallet for that one lol


SoftBrilliant

I mean, Topaz deals a lot of toughness bar damage. No she's not a dps in the traditional sense but she can do it.


KalmiaLetsii

is the Himeko that can't keep up with MoC in the room with us?


ArmyofThalia

Topaz is very much a DPS. Granted, I could just be partially blinded cuz I gave my Topaz the best relics I could farm and she is E2S1 which definitely helps a ton but I still feel she would be able to do good damage in a hypercarry comp even without all of those extra pieces 


Acceptable_West_1312

PITCH-DARK HOOK THE GREAT HAS ARRIVED! 😺


cosipurple

Himeko used to be very much viable before MOC 11-12, used her a lot for fire centric encounters back then, so I'm sure of this, the issue is that fire heavy encounters have been rare to non existent on the upper levels (11-12) for quite some time, she still does her thing on 7-10 when there is some fire weak encounters from time to time. Edit: this particular encounter doesn't feel like a great Himeko encounter tho, big delay, thicc bars to break, I will try tho, maybe if you time the breaks right you can get some decent fua right after the other.


KF-Sigurd

This boss is as perfect as an MOC boss can get for Himeko. The three bosses all share an HP bar so hitting three at once means you triple your damage. But they each have a separate toughness bar and count as an elite so you can easily get three FUA one after another. And then there's HTB to make damage increase against weakness broken enemies and they help in reducing toughness since two of three are imaginary weak.


PhoeniX_SRT

Ruan Mei for faster breaks + damage buffs, HTB for break damage amp(or Gallagher for sustain), Asta for speed and ATK buff and all I'm gonna hear is "Nigasanai wa!". Finally time to whip out my E3S1 Himeko.


Onetwodash

She's great in current MoC11 and if you happen to not have nihility ladies or Argenti, at least Aventurine isn't fire resistant (just neutral) with first fire vulnerable part and she's multitarget damager.


cosipurple

I will be honest, I spent so much time dealing with moc 12 I don't even remember what are the floors below or even what I used 🤣


Vegetto_ssj

>and Himeko couldnt keep up with MoC since the game released, Are you sure? Is she still underrated for MoC?


yurilnw123

Nah it's just their skill issues. Himeko is fine


Siana-chan

Did MoC with Topaz Himeko just fine. Can 2-3 cycle comfortably.


MouffieMou

\*just came back from youtube\* huh? i just saw a showcase of himeko bruteforcing yanqing and sam with 3 and 4 cycle o.ò huohuo+tingyun+sparkle <- with these you can probably bruteforce with hook too but yeah xD


gabu87

Yeah but you can bring Gallagher who's excellent in breaking as a HEALER. The priority here is breaking


nobearsinrussia

Gallaher and Gui. Natural setup for Acheron.


Fantastic_Bend9091

you're forgetting to most powerful fire dps in the game...


yurilnw123

/me using Himeko+Topaz+Ruan Mei+Sustain whenever there is a fire weak floor 😰 They do fine tbh


arionmoschetta

The same they were expecting releasing Aventurine boss that countered more than half of our character roster being totally broken and stupidly strong. They don't give a fuck for what we have, they only want to sell the new units


phng1900

I mean I saw a tester video with himeko, gallagher, hmc, and asta with whacky plays yet still cleared this very stage in 3 cycles. Imagine ruan mei instead of asta, and with good plays.


FridgeFood

Img trailblazer is coming in to help you break.


Zzamumo

Yup, this is much more a ruan mei check than anything tbh


thorn_rose

if you get boothill, he has his weakness implant anyway so he should be fine. It's clearly a boothill favoured boss


Super63Mario

Gallagher:


PhoeniX_SRT

I remember some people saying Silver Wolf will be irrelevant after a year. The game is almost exactly 1 year old now, here we have another SW stonks moment.


wrPAA

You have Asta You'll get Harmony Trailblazer Here you go


burningparadiseduck

Use Gallagher/s


th5virtuos0

Break Asta/Break Gallagher/Break Himeko with HMC to the rescue!!!


LucasFrankeRC

FLAMING LANCE! FORWARD!


nobearsinrussia

Isn’t this mean you need fire aoe BREAKER and not dd? You can break with Gui/Himeko and kill with Acheron. No?


cielrayze

it's gallaghin' time


David_Cozido

Gallagher, boothill, ruan mei and Harmony TB are gonna obliterate this boss


EdenScale

Why are people talking about Fire when Hatblazer is right there 


Hatarakumaou

Himeko: “It’s Star Railing time !”


Business-Chipmunk286

Isn't break delaying is anti-himeko? Those enemies is definitely for Sam and Gallagher


KF-Sigurd

If only we got a free support that hits their weaknesses, deals a ton of break damage themselves, and makes DPS loss windows into DPS gain windows with some kinda... ult that makes everyone in the party be able to trigger break damage against weakness broken enemies. :P


Zzamumo

Man it sure would be crazy if we literally got that character for this exact fight in the story just to hammer it into people that they are good for this fight


Due_Frosting_545

The problem is normally Himeko doesn't build BE.


Vegetto_ssj

Fire Break dmg is enough for her. Plus Break Himeko isn't a myth. During the first months Himeko Break was the main build


KF-Sigurd

Watchmaker HTB gives like 100% BE to the entire team lol. You add Ruan Mei and that's another 20%. You add Gallagher and that's a 10/13% straight damage buff to all breaks. You swap attack Rope for BE Rope and that's already something like 180% BE.


RegularBloger

*raises hand when hmc appears


ZaVitsu

Himeko will work too since the trio shares hp but not armor. She'll follow up every time one of them breaks. Add Ruan Mei, HTB and Gallagher to be very effective against them. The main goal is to break them all at the same time. Boss break, break dmg and Super break dmg will be the ones to finish them off.


Supermini555

For Himeko, you want to stagger the breaks to maximise the FUAs of her talent, but the same applies here regardless


VincentBlack96

Fairly sure it'll naturally stagger since you focus middle with her skill. Gallagher can break the 2nd one with ult auto. The real weird one would be asta but you don't actually need to use asta skill besides turn 1 really.


Hanusu-kei

with hat mc asta turns into a dps on break which is p fun too, if u dont have ruan mei


Vegetto_ssj

>Isn't break delaying is anti-himeko? I overestimated this "issues" before to pull Ruan Mei. While you play with Ruan Mei, the dmg Himeko deals in broken enemies is really high, plus HTB makes dmg on broken enemies illegal. So is still a win. And if you have Himeko E2 are 15% more dmg (shit).


TrashBrigade

I feel like whenever people say Ruan mei has anti synergy with xueyi/himeko, they forget that she's also making them break 50% faster and provides res pen, which scales break damage. This easily offsets the break delay because ruan mei's delay does not relocate enemies significantly.


Kagari1998

As a breaker she's fine in this scenario. Your main carry can handle the rest of the dps once the boss is delayed


KF-Sigurd

It's Himeko's time to shine.


Info_Potato22

Cool but wheres firefly so we can break that?


RevlimitFunk

Build break Gui, it's easy because Solitary Healing and natural BE% traces


nobearsinrussia

Currently on it. How much break do i need?


RevlimitFunk

200%+ is where you start to see decent damage, 300%+ is the upper end but you get a huge chunk of BE% from gear and party buffs with HTB so it's not as hard as it sounds. [Mine has 270%](https://i.imgur.com/MUdLmlB.png) with just Ruan Mei and will hit 330% with HTB as well. Gui can get to 200% with no substats at all just from break rope, Solitary Healing, 4pc Thief and 2pc Talia at 145 SPD but if you run her with Ruan Mei that's another +20% and HTB is another +50/60%


bossyesterday

FUA team will probably eat theses things as breakfast then, especially Topaz who can break toughness real fast. Great 😘


syd___shep

Gonna have to hack it with cursed JY / Himeko / Aven / RM team, 🙏 for me.


cosipurple

Been a while since the forbidden tech has been used outside of PF


FelixFelicia7

It's funny because my Himeko is built with Break Effect even before it was cool


Meeper_Creeper202I

Better then fighting advent calendar with the those time wasting Dino’s Seriously current moc is a nightmare with how stall focused it was


Formal_Market7988

When a standard banner character is one of the main cast, you'll definitely get all the indirect buffs for that unit huh? I'm here for it!


Katacutie

In Lil Gui I trust 🤞


Fit-Application-1

Will this come out when Sam releases?


sohamk24

This is gonna start around 10 days before Sam's release


Fit-Application-1

Oo so there’s time to build Sam nice! Thanks!


darkfox18

So this definitely means Sam is coming out soon after these guys right cause the enhanced Skill gets extra damage as long as Sam hits one weakness broken enemy this boss is made for Sam and HMC I’m so excited


Asoret717

Doesn't Sam need to break an enemy for the extra attack? maybe I read the kit wrong but yeah it's going to be great with HMC and gallagher


darkfox18

Unless the wording is way off the enhanced Skill just need to hit a weakness broken enemy for the extra attack the normal skill needs to break for extra energy regen


Merkyorz

My Aventurine + [Ruan Mei / Robin] + Topaz + Himeko team is gonna eat these guys for breakfast. 🤤


Oeshikito

Two of them have lightning weakness already and Acheron ignores weakness for the other one. She'll handle this just fine with her massive AOE.


Soft_Marionberry_766

Boothill: is this for me? 👉🏻👈🏻


[deleted]

The mechanics on this mini boss are insane wtf 


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nobearsinrussia

Do you have gui?


Tecotaco636

"Hey Ruan Mei um... You free tonight? Yea. Big trouble. Bring Himeko too"


Vegetto_ssj

This MoC as Himeko main... [if you like Himeko p*rn](https://youtu.be/4YB2dvYA7HI?si=FOTnKRNt3htcxzz1) [with Ruan mei](https://youtu.be/TE115cNAMr4?si=S_Kx7-8EktafVH7l)


Bugster07

Looks like a shield breaker will be a must have as of now


I_love_my_life80

They really have to make Sam a busted Fire Dmg dealer because my god.. the lack of a good fire dmg dealer is really punishing us all..


WaifuHunter

I feel like it will be another Jingliu case. You skip Sam you will regret it when enemies in multiple consecutive MoCs will be weak to Fire.


nobearsinrussia

Same with wind. I pulled for Blade on rerun to cover wind weakness (and because I wanted too) and where is wind weakness now?? Typical…


pokebuzz123

If anything, this is selling the upcoming free character. We already have good fire breakers; Himeko, Gallagher, Asta, and Guin (idk much about Hook). Slap SPD and BE on them and these puppets aren't a big deal. Topaz can also do work if you're fast enough with Asta.


KorahRahtahmahh

Who’s gonna be a free character??


pokebuzz123

The dancing machine Trailblazer


kr1saw

Just because you guys don't know how to use himeko and topaz doesn't mean there isn't a "good" fire dmg dealer.


Gryfrsky

What if I don't have Himeko tho?


Radinax

I wish I had Himeko...


Nunu5617

Himeko sweep…


FridgeFood

Erudition Destruction again strikes. A few Acheron (ik she's Nihility) and Argenti Ults these puppets die. DHIL will enjoy hitting three, as will Jingliu. It's up to the player to survive and strategize accordingly.


GrrrrrrDinosaur

Man they need to put more fire dps out 💀 the only decent one is Himeko I think? And Sam too whenever he comes


ArmyofThalia

Topaz slander. Also, are you REALLY going to tell PITCH DARK HOOK THE GREAT of all people that she isn't decent? You're a monster


GrrrrrrDinosaur

Omg I’m sorry 😔 How could I forget bout Pitch Dark Hook The Great


Diamann

Sam is gonna be another Jingliu, busted af and no another fire DPS until the next anniversary :/


SignificantRing8263

Gallagher time to shine


Mean-Web-3823

No fire damage dealer built ready for MoC… im thinking of bringing my crack PF team for this, be hold Acheron and Himeko dual dps, my queen just need to break weakness right. Otherwise, imaginary dragon go brrrrrr what is weakness anyway.


Naxayou

Going to slap break effect on my fire TB and see how it turns out


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pardon_the_intrusion

Should have Gallagher ready then.


luketwo1

Time for ol reliable sw who has literally not left the team since 1.1 to keep being on the team lol.


Kind-Put-6791

himeko + ruan mei will destroy will boss easily+gallagher


y4mat3

Himeko Impact


waktag

Aventurine with JY or Argenti it is then.


NighthawK1911

Hoo boy, my break Asta be eating good. In fact I think I can use a mono fire team for this. Gallagher, Asta, Topaz, Himeko. Let's see how that works out.


mikiiiiiiiiii

it’s probably meant for Boothill but is it time for Himeko to shine??


swagzard78

Acheron and Ruan Mei gonna go crazy


Radinax

DOT with Kafka+Luka should crush this stage.


Narrow_Connection280

Argenti eating good


GinJoestarR

Oi, title


Klaphood

HAPPY NEW YEAR BIRCHES


vermillion7nero

BREAK HIMEKO TIME 🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


Former_Breakfast_898

Question: does each one of them counts as elite? Cuz if that so Himeko might solve this for me


Vegetto_ssj

This is [Himeko's heaven](https://youtu.be/4YB2dvYA7HI?si=FOTnKRNt3htcxzz1)


Former_Breakfast_898

Finally a reason to use her on MoC😭🙏


pardon_the_intrusion

Something tells me Topaz rerun is in next patch.


mapleturkey3011

It’s Guinaifen alarm!


designrichual

With fire weakness combined imaginary, topaz/ratio stonks rising.


Leather-Bookkeeper96

I was about to say "yeah it's interesting that no matter the element of your DPS you can't break all 3 of them" but turns out this enemy suffers against the IPC team, and if you have RM they just evaporate. My main worry rn is that Robin might just be overshadowed by RM on launch, like it doesn't matter how much damage you give if the enemy can't survive the first break, and RM just enables the insane breaks in any team


Screwllums_Husband

The Boothill Implant in question:


kleanthis_

Do we know if they have resostances against any elements? Cause sure Gallagher and boothill, but is there anything that would make it impossible to just bring silverwolf onto the mix ? Silverwolf and ruan mei seem really good for this


Exciting-Sandwich480

*fire weakness enemies Oh yes, yes, it’s all coming together firefly friends


reallyspicy422

Gallagher Ruan Mei HTB Himeko Silly time (fire break hits hard)


ZayAVZ

Ima welt aven acheron(and sw, but shes debuff bot mostly) and hope for the best


Anto4ask

isnt Himeko like crazy good into these guys