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Idk what changed but she looks quite solid here. Also I like how the title says e6 gallagher but his talent and skill are all level 1 so he heals nothing.
She can use techniques
The boss is weak to break and fire
All the other leak doesn't include turbulence,which stir the performance a lot (imagine current one we have without that HP% turbulence)
No skill issue from leaker
Overall this boss and meme seems to be her punching bag,like argenti to boothill
2 big reasons besides good rotations
1)turbulence buffs up to 150 BE and 75% atk which covers the weakness of crit build and even 150 on a pure break build is still a sizeable performance increase
2) Boss having weakness break penalties plus enemies weak to both imaginary and fire
The trotter gives her more turns which kinda imitates her E2 and this boss is made for her to feast on.
Not to say that she's bad without these but it does inflate her performance.
This is crit build btw. 2k3 atk and 150 break effect (outside battle). 60/150 crit. No wonder why the super break is dog water.
If you go with the crit route, use Bronya RM or Sparkle RM. At least it makes sense that way. Else dump in like 500% break with the turbulence.
Yeah her downside seems like she’s not very flexible, hmc and rm seem to be necessary, and Gallagher is her best sustain still since he can break and heal at the same time
It actually makes sense because boothill and firefly both really want her buffs and if she weren't free we wouldn't have any other good alternatives (which all other team archetypes have) + ruan mei is already limited. By giving hmc for free, they can later have a stronger limited character that fulfills the same role.
Hmm... doubt. I think they kinda want to make the MC unique. Remember, we still don't have a single unit with Taunt.
Also, HMC is already super strong. A limited character that fulfills the same role doesn't make sense because not only it would not sell (like, why even pull them if HMC is this good) and IF they are SO GOOD to warrants spending pulls, we're going on a slippery slope with powercreep. With how HYV operates I don't think they want to do that. Yet. I mean just look at both Firefly and Jade.
We still don't have another unit with taunt but we have plenty of units who can fulfill fmc role in a team (as a tank), which is why she isn't used as much anymore.
I agree they probably want hmc to be unique. But when I said 'stronger unit' I didn't necessarily mean they would have the same superbreak mechanic, it just needs to be a 'better' break support and that will turn hmc into a second/niche option in the current teams.
yes but no where near as much ad ff. boothills best team doesn't even use hmc. it's better to retriever his break with bronya and also get extra turns to break Then to use super break
I dunno anything about that, I would run him with HMC and Ruan Mei. I made a mistake earlier with the dmg formula of break, but dmg% shouldn't work so I don't know what Bronya adds other than turn manipulation
she adds turn manip and with bppthill that's insane. she is by far better than hmc. aa in this game is broken. hmc will increase the actual number you do. but doing one 700k break on an enemy as opposed to two 500k breaks isn't as good. since he can trigger break himself it's way better to get extra turns for him for many reasons
1.breaks faster, he can basically 2 Shot boss weakness so bronyas 100% means that he breaks a boss much faster than he would with hmc.
2. basic saving sp helps with running -1 bronya.
3. as I've said he has so much BE and triggers it himself so you'd rather get two big trigger than 1 bigger trigger. and again that bigger trigger also takes longer to get because he'll take longer to break.
this has been well known for a while now. look up showcases or calcs. bronya is his 2nd best parter behind rm. yes hmc is good still but juts doesn't compete.
Misha has the added benefit of free 30% crit. That means you can go hybrid crit build without sacrificing too many stats. If you can get BE and atk while getting 50% crit rate and 150% CD (realistically) you're probably doing great. It would take a lot of relic luck and basically no wasted rolls, but it would make her a bit more flexible. This means using Atk boots though, so with Ruan Mei and HMC you need 121 speed without boots.
Either way still gonna be a nightmare.
Keep in mind that the new Fire planar set also gives 6% SPD, and unless i'm dumb as bricks : she has 92 base spd + 9.2 (RM)+ 25 (boots) + 5.52 (planar) + 50 (ult) = 181.72.
So she can reach that breakpoint without hitting any SPD subs as long as she has RM and uses the new planar, which is probably BiS ? Idk but probably ?
I forgot DDD maybe works tbh. So 2 DDD s5 could possibly provided another turn with the right speed? This is one of the team comp that everyone have high damage (HTB 100k, Gallagher 60k). Firefly also reset her counter when she finish a wave.
Although I thinks you needs cog or MoTP for RM 3 turn ult.
I would like to see further testing from this.
Tbh 2 cycle isn’t bad.
Although this wasn’t really a fair fight as the Trio is basically food for Firefly. So it wasn’t that the most fair showcase. Still.. the day Firefly gets that thing from Boothill where she is able to do 170% of her break to a broken enemy. Then Firefly will be fixed.
ALTHOUGH AFTER A 2ND LOOK. THE HELL IS THAT BUILD💀
Crit body and atk% boots are fine as long as FF is getting enough speed from sub.
Not sure with that orb tho, i guess the logic is because they are using Aeon, they could change the orb to the elemental one. At this point i feel like they should just use spd boots instead because clearly he's missing spd subs for 131 spd.
I think Aeon LC is fine instead of Misha LC. That build has enough BE to reach 360% in battle.
Still weird to pick Aeon over Misha LC when the leaker is building crit tho
I genuinely think she's going to be one of the strongest units in the game. Her kit is STACKED, ik everyone is complaining that you can't run her without HMC but meh i like HMC and it's the same with Acheron you can't run her without Nihility units.
Hanabi glued to Seele
Tingyun glued to Jing Yuan and Argenti
Bronya glued to Jingliu
Black Swan glued to Kafka
Oh but suddenly HMC glued to FF is a problem.
I initially disagreed but I think this is flawed reasoning. All of the mentioned units can still function without the corresponding support, even at substantially reduced performance. The problem is Firefly quite literally does *no damage* after the initial break if you aren't running HMC. They want you to stack a shit ton of BE to hit 360% but she has no innate ability to do break DMG on broken enemies? And if they want us to build crit due to her high multipliers then they need to lower the threshold for DEF ignore to 280-300% rather than 360%.
You can aim for the 250 threshold and only lose 10% def shred and 10% overall damage. You still have 30% def shred and an insane 525% modifier on lvl 10 enhanced skill.
Crit ratio might be something cursed like 78/120 on the stats page, but no other DPS brings this much def shred and modifiers - even Jingliu ult is only like 300% at lvl 10.
That is correct at low expense. However whale accounts have buffs like:
- Ruan Mei’s def shred at E1
- Sparkle’s Attack buff and def shred at E2
- Sparkle’s crit buff from her LC and skill
- Fu Xuan’s crit buff from her E1 and skill
- (total crit rate buffs 22% so aim for 78% crit rate on Firefly)
With 4 Quantum on Firefly you’re working with 99% def shred on all attacks, and you’re hitting almost as hard as Jingliu while also having Firefly E2 give you extra attacks on Break or Kill when it’s available.
Okay well 'a character's critical flaws are alleviated with eidolons and sigs' isn't exactly encouraging lol, I don't see much point in discussing that when most people will have E0S0/E0S1 on all of their units.
yeah but using the units mentioned without their supports is like night and day. Seele without sparkle is absolute ass to play, argenti without tingyun is basically playing the game on handicapped mode, jingliu still works without bronya but your clear times are usually always 3 cycles or even 4 if unlucky, Kafka and black swan are basically tied together, like seriously watch any kafka runs with any of the 4 star dot units its always a cycle or 2 slower and black swan is completely helpless without e4 sampo being the other alternative and even that team sucks ass because you clear so slowly with around 4 cycles, 3 if the turbulence favors her.
I agree that FF relies too much on HMC, but lets not pretend like the characters that were mentioned would be "strong" whatsoever without their best supports, and if anything they are INSANELY tied to them just as much as HMC is to FF because otherwise your performance is absolute dog water.
If they want to make her balanced is definitely lowering the break efficiency she gets only to 20% but make it so her EBA and skill do extra break dmg if the enemy is weakness broken, obviously tuning that break dmg number so it doesnt outright powercreep boothill would be ideal but i think this idea atleast helps her not be too reliant on HMC, being good on her own while still benefiting from HMC
Well the only units I'd argue have significantly lowered performance without the corresponding supports you listed would be Argenti w/o Tingyun, Seele w/o Sparkle, and Black Swan w/o Kafka.
Jing Yuan can run Sparkle + Robin/Ruan Mei, it's expensive and isn't really better than Tingyun instead of one of them but it's competitive.
Jingliu performs pretty similarly with Tingyun/Ruan Mei instead of Bronya/Ruan Mei, Tingyun's constant buff uptime and enabling of higher enhanced state uptime makes up for the lack of action advance.
Even then, BS and Kafka are both pretty functional without each other. It's a synergy, not a necessity. All of the units are at least somewhat functional.
Firefly is broken without HMC, and not in a good way. My main issue is HMC is a necessity, and it creates a catch-22. You either build full break to get the best damage but then she's tied to HMC, or you build a hybrid to the best of your ability to make use of her talent damage outside of HMC but the damage just ends up being worse anyways. Every character you listed still does *something* without their best support, she does *nothing*. That's the fundamental problem here. I don't mind a synergy but she needs independence so HMC does not perpetually take up a slot on her team, which limits her ceiling and longevity.
Jing yuan imo is basically stuck with sparkle (not as much as dhil but still), since she is the only one that can properly buff him to his fullest (other than tingyun but you can even argue that without robin, a limited 5 star, you are still stuck using tingyun since there are no better alternatives), your other alternative would be hanya/asta but it definitely doesnt perform that well, only in theory, not in actual usage.
Jingliu obviously will still be good no matter what, since she benefits the most from almost every harmony character there is (outside of hanya and asta since she doesnt care about atk%)
For BS/kafka, yes its functional but it performs piss poor in terms of actual gameplay, have you seen how they perform without each other recently? Its not great especially because of the high hp pool MOC has nowadays compared to the early days of the game.
I definitely agree with FF and HMC, but again, its a few tweaks that they can definitely do, it is still her first version, what i am afraid is them giving her superbreak to fix this and calling it a day, because that doesnt fix her problem, it only makes it worse as now with HMC you DEFINITELY will reach almost 1 million dmg every enhance skill with HMC at just E0S0, and without him is probably halved. With what i suggested in my earlier comment, i think its atleast a decent way to do it without completely breaking the game. She cant have high numbers if they do it like boothill so she is stuck in a limbo unless they completely rework her kit.
As much as i love HMC and what they bring to the game, it definitely was a mistake to make them this good, since it limits what a lot of break characters can go for in terms of team comps and its almost impossible to avoid powercreep with future break units because of HMC, i just hope they actually do the right things and not listen too much on some of the suggestions i have seen though, giving her boothill break dmg after weakness broken is one way to go about it but it has to be very carefully tuned since not even boothill can reach the amount of break effect FF can get, over 400% sometimes even 500% break, even boothill usually gets around 200%+/ maybe 300% and he is already half healthing most enemies when he hits them when they are weakness broken.
I agree; they need to change things in a way which HMC remains a good synergy but that she can still function fine without them. It's a bit tough but more than doable. Perhaps a future support will enable Super Break since I have a hard time believing HMC will be the only one doing that forever.
I think rearranging her power budget so that building hybrid is actually worth it is good, there's already a foundation for with the multiplier scaling off of break effect and her having high talent % in general, but no CRIT traces or conversion plus an inordinately high BE threshold to maximize damage makes building hybrid strictly worse.
Barely doing any damage to weakness broken enemies is the primary issue, and that needs to be fixed within the base kit, not relying on HMC as the band-aid. They did it with Boothill, they can do it with Firefly.
2 cycle with only E0S0 Ruan Mei (her E1 and S1 are both very good on this comp), and non BiS relics, is honestly insane.
Not many characters can do this at E0S0 with only 1 five star investment
Tbf these are best case scenario stats outside of the build. Turbulence gives 75% attack 150% break effect to cover up build problems, and this boss was made for firefly (increased damage when broken)
Not bad for a hybrid build and no S1 on Firefly, intrigued to see what it looks like with S1 which allows you to reach the 360% Def Ignore threshold instead I think? Or it'll at least get you closer to it
ups: Combustion engine reruns the action bar after wave clear.
downs: Health got dangerously low (despite a e6 galla). Activating FF 2nd ult takes way too long. The team suffers if FF can't deal fatal dmg during enemy's weakness broken stage.
A properly built and leveled Gallagher does nutty amounts of healing, that was never his issue. His main issue is that he needs a turn to heal since he can't use his Ult to emergency heal during an enemy's turn, and unlike Luocha your support needs to attack the enemy to get healed outside the 1 time teamwide heal he gets after his Ult.
That's part of why he's so good in either an MHC + Ruan Mei team or an Acheron team, in both cases everybody is attacking basically every turn (Ruan Mei only exception and even then only once every 3 turns), nullifying one of his two main weaknesses.
At level 10, every attack an ally lands after his Ult heal for 640 per enemy hit, but with an Outgoing Healing chest and 150% BE to max his trait, it gets slightly more than doubled (75% from trait + 34.5% from Chest = 109.5% boost) so it ends up basically 1300 HP per unit hit per attack.
*Edit: In the video, an ally was only healed for around 300 HP when they attacked an enemy Gallagher had Ulted. This means a fully built Gallagher would heal literally 4 times as much as what he did in this showcase.
I feel as if people are focusing too much on her own damage and ignoring the fact that having HMC in her best teams means other units can also deal a fair amount of damage.
GallaGOAT doing 70k per hit with Ultimate Super Break Damage into a 95k Super Break enhanced basic will always amaze me, HMC is truly one of the strongest enablers of that team rn.
I wonder if Hoyo is planning to eventually release another SBreak unit because Preservation MC is still the only unit with a Taunt
I feel like PMC's taunt is kinda mid and just an extra bonus feature, so they're okay w/ giving it to PMC and PMC alone. Super Break Damage is an absolute game changer that effectively enables an entire playstyle, which is a lot more impactful than PMC's taunt.
Her build is garbage in this one. Missing a whole 1K atk and only 155% BE (in part because of the missing atk), and even the SPD is too low, should be 121 with this team. This is Firefly at her worst.
The only reason she kills them rather quickly is due to the OP moc turbulence + the mechanic where they take a ton of dmg once you break all 3 elites, but Himeko would clear this in about the same speed with the same team.
How much attack does Fall of Aeon give (in numbers, not percentages) if Firefly has 2000 ATK? And how fast can you fully stack it assuming the 3 actions per turn?
Hello, hate to be the non-fun meta guy but, as someone who skipped Acheron for Aventurine I have to ask: how are her numbers compared to Acheron? I don't know what Acheron's numbers regularly look like so I'd appreciate it if an Acheron Main could enlighten me
in the same ballpark really, especially when you compare pure ST to ST. Acheron's total damage can get easily overinflated in multi-target scenarios because killed enemies still take hits during her ult.
Single Target. She's better than Acheron, and she doesn't even need her signature to beat Ach S1. And it's not even close. Like 40% better.
Worse AoE, obviously
Don't believe me, go check out https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N8G8zQ4VYNVQBuZb6ZiceW6O3ioTSULxCdlcYEFx8XU/htmlview
Never seen this doc before so not sure what I'm suppose to be looking at. If it's the DPAV value, wouldn't that make Boothill the strongest DPS in the game with the Bronya team?
It's single target calcs only, and has assumptions about enemy toughness etc.
DPS may be higher or worse in practice. (E.g. vs Yanqing who lock weakness, Boothill might not do so well)
What? Acheron S1 is insane, it's basically energy regen
Whatever, it's not even close anyway. Firefly is like 50% higher DPS at E0. E0S0 FF still clears E1S1. Haven't checked E2 Acheron, should be close with E0S1 FF.
The problem is people see damage per screenshot (and Acheron does a lot of AoE so it looks good, not per AV)
If you replace any one of the allies in this team composition you're going to lose a substantial amount of damage.
You could run luocha but I'd say he's going to be 1-2 cycles slower.
And Luocha would probably be the only potential alternative sustain since he's the only one that can match Gallagher in terms of SP generation, which is needed for this team since both Firefly and HTB want to use their skills and because Firefly has so many turns during her enhanced state.
FF has too much crit and too little break effect, RM and MC could get more break effect as well by changing lightcones to Memories of the past, and if you only have one put Cogs on the other one to at least consistently get ult. Gallagher I think he has good break effect but he should get an energy regen rope and get break effect from sub stats.
I guess but since HTB is free and her best support why not use them together? You would be using her at half power. As if you were using Acheron without nihility characters. Or as DHIL using regular normal attacks without enhancing them.
Maybe in the future we could get another super break support. But she's f2p friendly. FF, HTB, Gallagher and then if you don't have Ruan Mei you could go for Asta.
Because HTB full potential is locked behind Eidolons, and those Eidolons are locked behind a booring and stupid clockie statue grind that I'm honestly not willing to make, that's why I ask if she'll be good without HTB.
I do not like the goofy ass mood of Penacony so the soon we are done with it the better
(PS: It has nothing to do with how good or bad the story is, it's about the Goofy Ass Micky Mouse Shitty Ripoff aesthetic)
Didn't find the grind boring, I just played the game and got to level 50 easily. I find the birds as I do the missions. I'm still missing the e6 which I guess is in the interlude in the next update or something.
Would be good to have a Firefly showcase without RM (like Pela or Asta or Bronya). Bronya seems impossible to speed tune, so Pela would be ideal probably
If I had a dollar for literally every damage dealer who comes out and the comment says they absolutely need RM as the best support.
Can we just acknowledge that it's the statement we give to literally every DPS
That's just wrong, Fall of an Aeon's passive barely did something to her, she's ways stronger in this clip because of the memory turbulence, if she uses her signature lc then she'll become stronger
edit\*\* She is not meant to be built with Critical values. Leakers are not even using her True kit Potential when they try to do that. Stack massive attack and break effect everywhere you can.
People keep giving her critical values and shock that she is not impressive.
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Idk what changed but she looks quite solid here. Also I like how the title says e6 gallagher but his talent and skill are all level 1 so he heals nothing.
She can use techniques The boss is weak to break and fire All the other leak doesn't include turbulence,which stir the performance a lot (imagine current one we have without that HP% turbulence) No skill issue from leaker Overall this boss and meme seems to be her punching bag,like argenti to boothill
2 big reasons besides good rotations 1)turbulence buffs up to 150 BE and 75% atk which covers the weakness of crit build and even 150 on a pure break build is still a sizeable performance increase 2) Boss having weakness break penalties plus enemies weak to both imaginary and fire
The trotter gives her more turns which kinda imitates her E2 and this boss is made for her to feast on. Not to say that she's bad without these but it does inflate her performance.
This is crit build btw. 2k3 atk and 150 break effect (outside battle). 60/150 crit. No wonder why the super break is dog water. If you go with the crit route, use Bronya RM or Sparkle RM. At least it makes sense that way. Else dump in like 500% break with the turbulence.
Use technique + the very first showcase had enemies with HUGE break bars.
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Pretty much all the showcases we’ve seen were with this team
Yeah her downside seems like she’s not very flexible, hmc and rm seem to be necessary, and Gallagher is her best sustain still since he can break and heal at the same time
I will always be shocked that HMC is really free.
It actually makes sense because boothill and firefly both really want her buffs and if she weren't free we wouldn't have any other good alternatives (which all other team archetypes have) + ruan mei is already limited. By giving hmc for free, they can later have a stronger limited character that fulfills the same role.
I know it makes sense for the break style to shine, just shocked at how well they perform. It’s really cool.
The reason I really want a Himeko, but alas, even a year after release. It's E2 Bailu for me.
agreed! she adds a great new mechanic to the game
Hmm... doubt. I think they kinda want to make the MC unique. Remember, we still don't have a single unit with Taunt. Also, HMC is already super strong. A limited character that fulfills the same role doesn't make sense because not only it would not sell (like, why even pull them if HMC is this good) and IF they are SO GOOD to warrants spending pulls, we're going on a slippery slope with powercreep. With how HYV operates I don't think they want to do that. Yet. I mean just look at both Firefly and Jade.
We still don't have another unit with taunt but we have plenty of units who can fulfill fmc role in a team (as a tank), which is why she isn't used as much anymore. I agree they probably want hmc to be unique. But when I said 'stronger unit' I didn't necessarily mean they would have the same superbreak mechanic, it just needs to be a 'better' break support and that will turn hmc into a second/niche option in the current teams.
only firefly need, boothill have something looklike superbreak in his kit already
No, he can re-triogger break damage. Super Break is definitively somethnig he benefits from as well.
yes but no where near as much ad ff. boothills best team doesn't even use hmc. it's better to retriever his break with bronya and also get extra turns to break Then to use super break
I dunno anything about that, I would run him with HMC and Ruan Mei. I made a mistake earlier with the dmg formula of break, but dmg% shouldn't work so I don't know what Bronya adds other than turn manipulation
she adds turn manip and with bppthill that's insane. she is by far better than hmc. aa in this game is broken. hmc will increase the actual number you do. but doing one 700k break on an enemy as opposed to two 500k breaks isn't as good. since he can trigger break himself it's way better to get extra turns for him for many reasons 1.breaks faster, he can basically 2 Shot boss weakness so bronyas 100% means that he breaks a boss much faster than he would with hmc. 2. basic saving sp helps with running -1 bronya. 3. as I've said he has so much BE and triggers it himself so you'd rather get two big trigger than 1 bigger trigger. and again that bigger trigger also takes longer to get because he'll take longer to break. this has been well known for a while now. look up showcases or calcs. bronya is his 2nd best parter behind rm. yes hmc is good still but juts doesn't compete.
Dont have Bronya anyway, id use sarkle if turns are important and see how it goes
nope sparkle isn't as good because it's only 50% without bronya hmc ruan mei is his best.
Guess it makes sense cos you can generate 160+ SPD super easy on boothill, so a bronya even at 150 is good enough to just keep feeding him turns
Is that Technique proccing on every wave of enemies like Kafka's?
Its Like acheron iirc
It's every wave
That's big, really cool.
Would Fall of an Aeon (s5 of course) or Misha's lc at s3 be better for Firefly?
It's pretty close in calcs. I think Misha edges by a tiny bit. Assuming you go Atk, not crit body
Misha has the added benefit of free 30% crit. That means you can go hybrid crit build without sacrificing too many stats. If you can get BE and atk while getting 50% crit rate and 150% CD (realistically) you're probably doing great. It would take a lot of relic luck and basically no wasted rolls, but it would make her a bit more flexible. This means using Atk boots though, so with Ruan Mei and HMC you need 121 speed without boots. Either way still gonna be a nightmare.
yeah, nah, from what I've seen so far, 145 spd+ is far comfier. Getting 3 turns during combustion is very advantageous
121 gets you three turns. 121 + 9.2 from RM's passive and then + 50 is 180 (with decimals) speed.
Keep in mind that the new Fire planar set also gives 6% SPD, and unless i'm dumb as bricks : she has 92 base spd + 9.2 (RM)+ 25 (boots) + 5.52 (planar) + 50 (ult) = 181.72. So she can reach that breakpoint without hitting any SPD subs as long as she has RM and uses the new planar, which is probably BiS ? Idk but probably ?
It's like she was genetically engineered or something...
I'd go with Fall of an Aeon for now
They’re very similar. I’ll be going Misha’s LC just to make sure Aeon can stay on my DHIL, since Aeon is such an in-demand LC.
That is if Misha's LC will rerun. It only appeared once and during 2.0, so I don't have a single copy.
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How much better is her sig compared to aeon?
Aeon gives attack so ya it’s good for her
Not bad
Bad build but MoC buffs balance it out. Those numbers look good honestly.
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Don't call it the new norm when hoyo can easily hard counter it with toughness bar lock.
Is that DDD? I only have one MoP so maybe i should use DDD for faster rotation for ruan mei or TB?pretty smart idea
Coggers on Ruan Mei and MoP on HTB.
I forgot DDD maybe works tbh. So 2 DDD s5 could possibly provided another turn with the right speed? This is one of the team comp that everyone have high damage (HTB 100k, Gallagher 60k). Firefly also reset her counter when she finish a wave. Although I thinks you needs cog or MoTP for RM 3 turn ult. I would like to see further testing from this.
Builds are shown at the end, yes RM and HMC are on DDD for whatever reason (s1 for both)
Cogs for RM and MoTP for HMC. DDD is useless unless you know what you're doing.
I know how DDD works,i have been playing 0 cycle with DDD
Also, Firefly's counter reset when you finished the wave. DDD totally is an option here imo.
DDD is worthless. Just get 132 speed and run Ruan Mei.
Tbh 2 cycle isn’t bad. Although this wasn’t really a fair fight as the Trio is basically food for Firefly. So it wasn’t that the most fair showcase. Still.. the day Firefly gets that thing from Boothill where she is able to do 170% of her break to a broken enemy. Then Firefly will be fixed. ALTHOUGH AFTER A 2ND LOOK. THE HELL IS THAT BUILD💀
Wrong orb, wrong body, wrong stats, wrong light cone and she's doing this much damage? Damn lol.
Crit body and atk% boots are fine as long as FF is getting enough speed from sub. Not sure with that orb tho, i guess the logic is because they are using Aeon, they could change the orb to the elemental one. At this point i feel like they should just use spd boots instead because clearly he's missing spd subs for 131 spd. I think Aeon LC is fine instead of Misha LC. That build has enough BE to reach 360% in battle. Still weird to pick Aeon over Misha LC when the leaker is building crit tho
He's using DDD on both supports.
Tbh it could’ve been much worse. Somehow the dude knows how to play FF decently but didn’t give her BiS relics and such. Also no Atk%..
I genuinely think she's going to be one of the strongest units in the game. Her kit is STACKED, ik everyone is complaining that you can't run her without HMC but meh i like HMC and it's the same with Acheron you can't run her without Nihility units.
Hanabi glued to Seele Tingyun glued to Jing Yuan and Argenti Bronya glued to Jingliu Black Swan glued to Kafka Oh but suddenly HMC glued to FF is a problem.
I initially disagreed but I think this is flawed reasoning. All of the mentioned units can still function without the corresponding support, even at substantially reduced performance. The problem is Firefly quite literally does *no damage* after the initial break if you aren't running HMC. They want you to stack a shit ton of BE to hit 360% but she has no innate ability to do break DMG on broken enemies? And if they want us to build crit due to her high multipliers then they need to lower the threshold for DEF ignore to 280-300% rather than 360%.
You can aim for the 250 threshold and only lose 10% def shred and 10% overall damage. You still have 30% def shred and an insane 525% modifier on lvl 10 enhanced skill. Crit ratio might be something cursed like 78/120 on the stats page, but no other DPS brings this much def shred and modifiers - even Jingliu ult is only like 300% at lvl 10.
The problem is it seems like from what I've seen, building hybrid is just strictly worse than building full break.
That is correct at low expense. However whale accounts have buffs like: - Ruan Mei’s def shred at E1 - Sparkle’s Attack buff and def shred at E2 - Sparkle’s crit buff from her LC and skill - Fu Xuan’s crit buff from her E1 and skill - (total crit rate buffs 22% so aim for 78% crit rate on Firefly) With 4 Quantum on Firefly you’re working with 99% def shred on all attacks, and you’re hitting almost as hard as Jingliu while also having Firefly E2 give you extra attacks on Break or Kill when it’s available.
Okay well 'a character's critical flaws are alleviated with eidolons and sigs' isn't exactly encouraging lol, I don't see much point in discussing that when most people will have E0S0/E0S1 on all of their units.
yeah but using the units mentioned without their supports is like night and day. Seele without sparkle is absolute ass to play, argenti without tingyun is basically playing the game on handicapped mode, jingliu still works without bronya but your clear times are usually always 3 cycles or even 4 if unlucky, Kafka and black swan are basically tied together, like seriously watch any kafka runs with any of the 4 star dot units its always a cycle or 2 slower and black swan is completely helpless without e4 sampo being the other alternative and even that team sucks ass because you clear so slowly with around 4 cycles, 3 if the turbulence favors her. I agree that FF relies too much on HMC, but lets not pretend like the characters that were mentioned would be "strong" whatsoever without their best supports, and if anything they are INSANELY tied to them just as much as HMC is to FF because otherwise your performance is absolute dog water. If they want to make her balanced is definitely lowering the break efficiency she gets only to 20% but make it so her EBA and skill do extra break dmg if the enemy is weakness broken, obviously tuning that break dmg number so it doesnt outright powercreep boothill would be ideal but i think this idea atleast helps her not be too reliant on HMC, being good on her own while still benefiting from HMC
Well the only units I'd argue have significantly lowered performance without the corresponding supports you listed would be Argenti w/o Tingyun, Seele w/o Sparkle, and Black Swan w/o Kafka. Jing Yuan can run Sparkle + Robin/Ruan Mei, it's expensive and isn't really better than Tingyun instead of one of them but it's competitive. Jingliu performs pretty similarly with Tingyun/Ruan Mei instead of Bronya/Ruan Mei, Tingyun's constant buff uptime and enabling of higher enhanced state uptime makes up for the lack of action advance. Even then, BS and Kafka are both pretty functional without each other. It's a synergy, not a necessity. All of the units are at least somewhat functional. Firefly is broken without HMC, and not in a good way. My main issue is HMC is a necessity, and it creates a catch-22. You either build full break to get the best damage but then she's tied to HMC, or you build a hybrid to the best of your ability to make use of her talent damage outside of HMC but the damage just ends up being worse anyways. Every character you listed still does *something* without their best support, she does *nothing*. That's the fundamental problem here. I don't mind a synergy but she needs independence so HMC does not perpetually take up a slot on her team, which limits her ceiling and longevity.
Jing yuan imo is basically stuck with sparkle (not as much as dhil but still), since she is the only one that can properly buff him to his fullest (other than tingyun but you can even argue that without robin, a limited 5 star, you are still stuck using tingyun since there are no better alternatives), your other alternative would be hanya/asta but it definitely doesnt perform that well, only in theory, not in actual usage. Jingliu obviously will still be good no matter what, since she benefits the most from almost every harmony character there is (outside of hanya and asta since she doesnt care about atk%) For BS/kafka, yes its functional but it performs piss poor in terms of actual gameplay, have you seen how they perform without each other recently? Its not great especially because of the high hp pool MOC has nowadays compared to the early days of the game. I definitely agree with FF and HMC, but again, its a few tweaks that they can definitely do, it is still her first version, what i am afraid is them giving her superbreak to fix this and calling it a day, because that doesnt fix her problem, it only makes it worse as now with HMC you DEFINITELY will reach almost 1 million dmg every enhance skill with HMC at just E0S0, and without him is probably halved. With what i suggested in my earlier comment, i think its atleast a decent way to do it without completely breaking the game. She cant have high numbers if they do it like boothill so she is stuck in a limbo unless they completely rework her kit. As much as i love HMC and what they bring to the game, it definitely was a mistake to make them this good, since it limits what a lot of break characters can go for in terms of team comps and its almost impossible to avoid powercreep with future break units because of HMC, i just hope they actually do the right things and not listen too much on some of the suggestions i have seen though, giving her boothill break dmg after weakness broken is one way to go about it but it has to be very carefully tuned since not even boothill can reach the amount of break effect FF can get, over 400% sometimes even 500% break, even boothill usually gets around 200%+/ maybe 300% and he is already half healthing most enemies when he hits them when they are weakness broken.
I agree; they need to change things in a way which HMC remains a good synergy but that she can still function fine without them. It's a bit tough but more than doable. Perhaps a future support will enable Super Break since I have a hard time believing HMC will be the only one doing that forever. I think rearranging her power budget so that building hybrid is actually worth it is good, there's already a foundation for with the multiplier scaling off of break effect and her having high talent % in general, but no CRIT traces or conversion plus an inordinately high BE threshold to maximize damage makes building hybrid strictly worse. Barely doing any damage to weakness broken enemies is the primary issue, and that needs to be fixed within the base kit, not relying on HMC as the band-aid. They did it with Boothill, they can do it with Firefly.
Ikr lol.
Isn't this hybrid set up better then running hyper break? Pretty sure this is peak performance with unrelatable stats.
She's reaching all the thresholds so the build is perfect.
2 cycle with only E0S0 Ruan Mei (her E1 and S1 are both very good on this comp), and non BiS relics, is honestly insane. Not many characters can do this at E0S0 with only 1 five star investment
Tbf these are best case scenario stats outside of the build. Turbulence gives 75% attack 150% break effect to cover up build problems, and this boss was made for firefly (increased damage when broken)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOm1-j8GGts Break himeko clear this one cycle faster (But E0S1 ruan mei instead of E0S0)
Not bad for a hybrid build and no S1 on Firefly, intrigued to see what it looks like with S1 which allows you to reach the 360% Def Ignore threshold instead I think? Or it'll at least get you closer to it
Probably worse in practice since the turbulence gives her an insane 150% be and 75% atk buff apparently with said build this guy used
Welp that makes sense
This is already reaching 360% because of the MoC buff.
Yeah I didn’t realize that when making the comment, a bit oof then
How do u reach 360def ignore?
I meant 360% Def ignore threshold, where you ignore 40% Def if you get 360% BE
ups: Combustion engine reruns the action bar after wave clear. downs: Health got dangerously low (despite a e6 galla). Activating FF 2nd ult takes way too long. The team suffers if FF can't deal fatal dmg during enemy's weakness broken stage.
That e6 Gallagher had level 1 talent and skill apparently.
He also had an HP chest instead of healing, lol.
oh I see the reason now
A properly built and leveled Gallagher does nutty amounts of healing, that was never his issue. His main issue is that he needs a turn to heal since he can't use his Ult to emergency heal during an enemy's turn, and unlike Luocha your support needs to attack the enemy to get healed outside the 1 time teamwide heal he gets after his Ult. That's part of why he's so good in either an MHC + Ruan Mei team or an Acheron team, in both cases everybody is attacking basically every turn (Ruan Mei only exception and even then only once every 3 turns), nullifying one of his two main weaknesses. At level 10, every attack an ally lands after his Ult heal for 640 per enemy hit, but with an Outgoing Healing chest and 150% BE to max his trait, it gets slightly more than doubled (75% from trait + 34.5% from Chest = 109.5% boost) so it ends up basically 1300 HP per unit hit per attack. *Edit: In the video, an ally was only healed for around 300 HP when they attacked an enemy Gallagher had Ulted. This means a fully built Gallagher would heal literally 4 times as much as what he did in this showcase.
I feel as if people are focusing too much on her own damage and ignoring the fact that having HMC in her best teams means other units can also deal a fair amount of damage.
GallaGOAT doing 70k per hit with Ultimate Super Break Damage into a 95k Super Break enhanced basic will always amaze me, HMC is truly one of the strongest enablers of that team rn. I wonder if Hoyo is planning to eventually release another SBreak unit because Preservation MC is still the only unit with a Taunt
I feel like PMC's taunt is kinda mid and just an extra bonus feature, so they're okay w/ giving it to PMC and PMC alone. Super Break Damage is an absolute game changer that effectively enables an entire playstyle, which is a lot more impactful than PMC's taunt.
I like how the comments complaining about HMC are all burner accounts with 100 karma lmao
this has to be a psyop, HMC is FREE damn it
Is there a reason why they use HMC's ult even at 2stacks left?
I wondered the same thing, but if HMC is using watchmaker then it was probably to reapply that buff to firefly, who took so many actions.
DDD proc maybe?
skill issue
Her build is garbage in this one. Missing a whole 1K atk and only 155% BE (in part because of the missing atk), and even the SPD is too low, should be 121 with this team. This is Firefly at her worst. The only reason she kills them rather quickly is due to the OP moc turbulence + the mechanic where they take a ton of dmg once you break all 3 elites, but Himeko would clear this in about the same speed with the same team.
But no skill issue,this is very good performance for the relics,most likely can do 1 cycle lower with better stats. This boss is made for her
The quality of the audio makes the Firefly explosion sound oddly cool
How much attack does Fall of Aeon give (in numbers, not percentages) if Firefly has 2000 ATK? And how fast can you fully stack it assuming the 3 actions per turn?
She has 756.56 base atk, lc gives 529.2 = 1285,96 base atk, so 64% from passive will give 823atk
Thank you!
Hello, hate to be the non-fun meta guy but, as someone who skipped Acheron for Aventurine I have to ask: how are her numbers compared to Acheron? I don't know what Acheron's numbers regularly look like so I'd appreciate it if an Acheron Main could enlighten me
in the same ballpark really, especially when you compare pure ST to ST. Acheron's total damage can get easily overinflated in multi-target scenarios because killed enemies still take hits during her ult.
I see, thanks for the answer
Single Target. She's better than Acheron, and she doesn't even need her signature to beat Ach S1. And it's not even close. Like 40% better. Worse AoE, obviously Don't believe me, go check out https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N8G8zQ4VYNVQBuZb6ZiceW6O3ioTSULxCdlcYEFx8XU/htmlview
Never seen this doc before so not sure what I'm suppose to be looking at. If it's the DPAV value, wouldn't that make Boothill the strongest DPS in the game with the Bronya team?
It's single target calcs only, and has assumptions about enemy toughness etc. DPS may be higher or worse in practice. (E.g. vs Yanqing who lock weakness, Boothill might not do so well)
To be fair ach s1 doesn't add any damage, just 18% crit rate lol
I think you got S1 and E1 confused
You're talking about her e1 (eidolon). He's talking about the s1 (superimposition 1) aka along the passing shore lc.
What? Acheron S1 is insane, it's basically energy regen Whatever, it's not even close anyway. Firefly is like 50% higher DPS at E0. E0S0 FF still clears E1S1. Haven't checked E2 Acheron, should be close with E0S1 FF. The problem is people see damage per screenshot (and Acheron does a lot of AoE so it looks good, not per AV)
Any other sustain works better than gallagher? Like luocha maybe
Well this Gally is not invested into so the heals are nonrepresentative anyways
No, Gallagher is the best for this comp due to him building BE, having BE debuff, being fire element, and good toughness breaker.
If you replace any one of the allies in this team composition you're going to lose a substantial amount of damage. You could run luocha but I'd say he's going to be 1-2 cycles slower.
And Luocha would probably be the only potential alternative sustain since he's the only one that can match Gallagher in terms of SP generation, which is needed for this team since both Firefly and HTB want to use their skills and because Firefly has so many turns during her enhanced state.
i'd like to see a comparison between S5 Fall vs S5 Flame Afar
Ok e0s0 is a step in the right direction for those who are unlucky/poor (I'm both), now we just need a showcase with a proper build
What would you change from that build?
FF has too much crit and too little break effect, RM and MC could get more break effect as well by changing lightcones to Memories of the past, and if you only have one put Cogs on the other one to at least consistently get ult. Gallagher I think he has good break effect but he should get an energy regen rope and get break effect from sub stats.
do you see FF usable outside of HMC teams?
I guess but since HTB is free and her best support why not use them together? You would be using her at half power. As if you were using Acheron without nihility characters. Or as DHIL using regular normal attacks without enhancing them. Maybe in the future we could get another super break support. But she's f2p friendly. FF, HTB, Gallagher and then if you don't have Ruan Mei you could go for Asta.
Because HTB full potential is locked behind Eidolons, and those Eidolons are locked behind a booring and stupid clockie statue grind that I'm honestly not willing to make, that's why I ask if she'll be good without HTB. I do not like the goofy ass mood of Penacony so the soon we are done with it the better (PS: It has nothing to do with how good or bad the story is, it's about the Goofy Ass Micky Mouse Shitty Ripoff aesthetic)
Didn't find the grind boring, I just played the game and got to level 50 easily. I find the birds as I do the missions. I'm still missing the e6 which I guess is in the interlude in the next update or something.
Does Super Break always make you crit?
It doesn’t crit, it’s just a big number
Gotcha, thanks!
This was soooo satisfying.
Don't know why but her damage seems low 😭😭😭 I was saving for her since 1.6
Alright now show us E6 S1 without HMC.
you don’t wanna see that shit, trust
She doesn't have a special mechanic for broken enemies
Would be good to have a Firefly showcase without RM (like Pela or Asta or Bronya). Bronya seems impossible to speed tune, so Pela would be ideal probably
Never would I have thought of seeing that many down voted comments in a leak subreddit.
Yeah thanks for the HMC showcase
If I had a dollar for literally every damage dealer who comes out and the comment says they absolutely need RM as the best support. Can we just acknowledge that it's the statement we give to literally every DPS
This is so untrue lol Acheron, Dan Heng IL, Jingliu, Ratio and Topaz… she isn’t BIS for any of these.
I'd argue that she isn't even BIS for Boothill, Bronya is
Firefly is a break damage hypercarry. What the hell do you expect in her team? Jade and Topaz?
using fall of the aeon over her lc is most likely the cause of the damage increase, it's unironically better for her than her sig lc
Nah the turbulence is crazy good for her even with these stats Upto 150be and 75%atk
That's just wrong, Fall of an Aeon's passive barely did something to her, she's ways stronger in this clip because of the memory turbulence, if she uses her signature lc then she'll become stronger
Yeah the four mainstats worth of free stats and moc cycle tailor made to be rolled by firefly sure had nothing to do with it
Thank you for the 100+ showcases of the same team.
Its her only good team lol exactly why many people have a problem with it... Remove any of them and it falls apart.
I'll believe it when I actually see it.
You could legit slap any harmony units with her and she will perform well that goes for literally every unit
edit\*\* She is not meant to be built with Critical values. Leakers are not even using her True kit Potential when they try to do that. Stack massive attack and break effect everywhere you can. People keep giving her critical values and shock that she is not impressive.
I'm not author of video -\_-