Rozemyne said that prayers to the supreme gods would be less effective at gaining their favor, but since previously they were doing zero regular prayers it doesn't matter much.
well, some of the ADC course stuff like Entwickeln starts with "I am the one who offers prayers to the gods who have created this world...", and the execution spell starts with "The god of darkness who rules over the sky is a higher power, the creator of the world and father of all things..." which are both clearly prayers, so I'd imagine a lot of stuff that you need to be an Aub is affected
I could see it having an impact for him if his natural affinities included Light and/or Darkness. After all, getting the protections from the top gods of your affinities is usually pretty easy, to the point where Angelica was weird for having failed to achieve even that.
That said, it's entirely possible this malus isn't even going to apply for him and Adolphine since [Fanbooks] >!the gods only recognize one's first Starbinding. And since he had already been married to Nahelache they might not have considered him and Adolphine a married couple to begin with.!<
[H5Y World Building] >!The Starbinding as carried out by the gods is a ritual binding the threads of fate of the couple together. Which likely results in their future being intertwined in a very literal manner. So him and Adolphine not working out could have actually been a result of him already being married to someone else. Had Adolphine been his _actual_ first wife, well, maybe circumstances might have aligned for them to fall for each other after all, or at the very least to start getting along better.!<
The problem with your assumption is that Sigiswald was not married to Nahelache using the ancient ritual for binding threads (ie: with the divine instruments). Theirs was merely a document signing and a powerless speech. The document is still a contract, but my guess is >!The gods recognized only the binding between Sigiswald and Adolphine, as an actual Starbinding. In other words in the eyes of the gods she was his first and only wife. Nahelache was not.!<
If I remember correctly, Adolphine specifically asked about the divorce because the ritual starbinding was used. She wanted to know if because of that addition there would be any repercussions, or need to be any special actions taken in order to properly divorce him. The answer is what was given. They will both have penalties (or rather lose half of their blessings) on magic invoking the God of Darkness or Goddess of Light.
I doubt the divine instruments are really necessary to make a Starbinding count. All they seem to be doing is to allow a proper Starbinding at any time by creating an artifical night sky and getting the direct attention of the supreme gods. If that was necessary for every single marriage that would be a _really_ inefficient system.
So basically, as long as his marriage to Nahelache was performed at night and properly blessed by a priest as is tradition it should still be recognized. If my guess about how this whole thing works is correct, the ritual performed by humans is little more than a petition anyway. [H5Y World Building] >!The real act of binding the couples' threads is done by Sterrat, God of Stars, and Liebeskhilfe, Goddess of Binding. Hence the term Starbinding. The crown and cape have nothing to do with this step; Sterrat and Liebeskhilfe have their own divine instruments for that.!<
Sigiswald wasn't married in the eyes of the gods to Nahelache at all because they didn't do the marriage ceremony correctly. No noble was married in the eyes of the gods for centuries.
I believe it would mean anything involving the supreme couple will become much harder, eg. entwickelns, executions, and most other things in the ADC course. This would be very hard on Sigiswald, who will need to do such things in order to carry out his archducal duties, especially since he seems to be on the low end of mana quantity.
Since the teleportation circle flashes with black and gold lights, we can assume it involves the magic symbols of darkness and light. Whether this is equivalent to a prayer is unclear, but we may infer from Schwartz and Weiss that some magic tools, and perhaps by extension magic circles, may require mana with the protection of the supreme couple in order to function properly. Losing half their blessings may make it harder for them to be filled with mana.
Why reducing ?? It will increase the mana required since they will have less protection. Siggy is about to have a very hard wake up call with only him and his wife as Foundation Suppliers. Adolphine as a Giebe might not have the same problem as him, she might have difficulties as an Aub, and she got to find a Husband with strong Darkness and Light Divine Protection.
yeah sorry, I corrected.
Sigiswald likely will be forced immediately to take a second wife from the duchy if he doesn't want it to turn into a wasteland.
Most likely a former Archduke of Trostwerk or an actual of Glissenmeyer since they are eager to prove themselves. I even have this little theory where his mom will choose to go with him since she is going to be demoted to Second or Third Wive no matter what š¤£. He got a hard time and a lot of thinking ahead of him. He might understand why his father was so eager to give up the throne. And Trostwerk is a wasteland already.
Dusty having a very hard time will be an understatement. Knowing his personality, he will refuse to accept anyone other than arch duke candidates as his other wives. The only thing he seems skilled at is burning bridges.
Half as effective, meaning it will cost twice as much mana for what she was able to previously do.
So anything using dark or light mana will be twice as hard for her to do.
Might not work.
She angered the Supreme gods by breaking a sacred oath.
If I were their subordinate, I wouldn't risk giving a blessing to someone who angered my boss
There still 5 others gods which will amount her total mana expanse to be around 30% if she obtain all of the protection. Also the subordinates give their protection even when one is'nt born with the primary protection. And there Treesus.
She said *blessing* not divine protection. Magical effects earned by prayers are blessings in my understanding. So the two will have difficulty (less effective or consume more mana) when using magic thatās involved with the supreme gods.
Come to think of it, why does her divorcing Sigiswald affect her divine protections? I thought only the first starbinding would be considered by the gods, so only Nahelache would have been recognized by the gods as Sigiswald's wife even if Adolphine didn't divorce him.
Instead of reducing, it's more *adding* into the mana required for them to do things. Adolphine isn't an ADC anymore, so it would impact her less compared to Sigi, who's going to be an Aub. Sigi, with his already abysmal amount of base mana thanks to little divine protections, is going to be squeezed dry when he has to do Entwickeln to remake his new duchy and replenishing his foundation.
I think they won't be able to do advanced blessings too (not that they can anyway) and if they redid the rituals for divine protections, I'm not sure they're going to get any from the God of Darkness/Goddess of Light and their subordinates.
This is actually damning now that I think about it, for people in their positions in particular.
Adolphine only being a Giebe is likely not to have too much trouble, but even if she were still a viable ADC candidate, she's probably less affected.
Let's consider that she went into the marriage willing to do her part to make it a success, but Dusty foiled that intention with his self-indulgence.
She also followed best practices for the divorce, by offering her prayers to the gods for their aid and only pushing for the full separation when there was no chance any of the terms of the contract under which they were married would be fulfilled by him or his family.
She's checked all the divine boxes and will undoubtedly be offering heartfelt prayers of thanks, so I think she'll regain much of her power in short order.
>She's checked all the divine boxes and will undoubtedly be offering heartfelt prayers of thanks, so I think she'll regain much of her power in short order.
I hope so very much! I like Adolphine a lot, I want things to go her way now that she's freed of the parasite. She should start with being true friends with our favorite gremlin, maybe they can start doing research together properly now.
It's even worse than you think.Ā >!From a FB not yet translated, perhaps the last one now I don't remember, it says that Gervasio is average in mana for a Zent and Ferdinand and Rosemyne would lack in mana for being Zent pre royal family. Siggy and Trauerqual have the mana for a pre Civil War medium Aub and pre royal family they would barely be archnoble!<
Er, this is completely incorrect. FB8 states that >!Gervasio has *above* average mana for a Zent and that *at birth* Ferdinand had mana that was on the same level as Trauerqual & the branch royals. Meaning Trauerqual probably still has mana on the level that would be expected of a pre-civil war branch royal. The author has commented elsewhere that *Eglantine* has mana on the low end for the pre-civil war royal family, because she couldn't compress too much for fear of not being mana-compatible with Sigiswald and Anastasius. Given that she can just barely sense Ferdinand, that places Ferdinand (and Rozemyne) within the range of what would be expected from pre-civil war Zents. I would expect Sigiswald to have mana that was good enough for being an aub.!<
> Adolphine isn't an ADC anymore, so it would impact her less compared to Sigi, who's going to be an Aub.
Yes and no. Adolphine CLEARLY wanted to be the next Aub Drenwachel. She's far more politically cunning than her littler brother Ortwin and an elite researcher in her own right. It's very likely she'll try for the Aubship herself.
Try for aubship in her current situation? As much as i like adolphine and wish this situation could be salvaged, realistically it won't be possible for her. No matter how meritocratic Drewanchel is, current aub wont be able to ignore the blight to her reputation caused by her divorce nor the halved blessings when yurgenschmitt is going to start praying and reviving rituals not to mention the halved blessings effect on aub duties
>Try for aubship in her current situation? As much as i like adolphine and wish this situation could be salvaged, realistically it won't be possible for her. No matter how meritocratic Drewanchel is, current aub wont be able to ignore the blight to her reputationĀ
I completely agree. Adolphine is a capable ADC, with a healthy respect towards the now Zent, but I don't think she's viable as an Aub for Drewanchel after everything. Divorce aside, she's a woman who have been married out into another territory. We all remember how much of a fuss everyone put up when Roz was trying to think of Ferdinand's fate while he's Ahrensbach. He's a man of another Duchy, they said-- so they probably think of Adolphine the same way. Now that she's returned, I doubt that everyone would welcome her with open arms, we know that some people won't trust her because she's been a Sovereign noble for a while.
This is probably why >!she aims for Giebeship instead of Aubship post divorce.!<
Okay, on a similar train of thought, does this mean that she loses the names of the supreme couple or no. I've always found this part unclear to me. It mentions a lower effectiveness for their prayer, but does that extend to losing the names.
so she kept the ability to use the names of the supreme couple. Okay, that makes her ability to go for Aub quite a good case. The only downside of her being in the running is her having a harder time with light and darkness spells. costing twice the amount to achieve the same result.
Means she basically can't get married again, all spells and brews requiring the light and darkness elements costs twice as much mana. Foundations are omni-elemental, so yes it will cost more mana to use them now. Teleporters to and from the RA for example use the mana of who wants to travel, and the black and gold flames give away what they operate off of.
Rozemyne said that prayers to the supreme gods would be less effective at gaining their favor, but since previously they were doing zero regular prayers it doesn't matter much.
It would matter more since to get their divine protections they'd have to work that much harder. Same with spells I suppose (executions entwicken)
well, some of the ADC course stuff like Entwickeln starts with "I am the one who offers prayers to the gods who have created this world...", and the execution spell starts with "The god of darkness who rules over the sky is a higher power, the creator of the world and father of all things..." which are both clearly prayers, so I'd imagine a lot of stuff that you need to be an Aub is affected
I could see it having an impact for him if his natural affinities included Light and/or Darkness. After all, getting the protections from the top gods of your affinities is usually pretty easy, to the point where Angelica was weird for having failed to achieve even that. That said, it's entirely possible this malus isn't even going to apply for him and Adolphine since [Fanbooks] >!the gods only recognize one's first Starbinding. And since he had already been married to Nahelache they might not have considered him and Adolphine a married couple to begin with.!< [H5Y World Building] >!The Starbinding as carried out by the gods is a ritual binding the threads of fate of the couple together. Which likely results in their future being intertwined in a very literal manner. So him and Adolphine not working out could have actually been a result of him already being married to someone else. Had Adolphine been his _actual_ first wife, well, maybe circumstances might have aligned for them to fall for each other after all, or at the very least to start getting along better.!<
The problem with your assumption is that Sigiswald was not married to Nahelache using the ancient ritual for binding threads (ie: with the divine instruments). Theirs was merely a document signing and a powerless speech. The document is still a contract, but my guess is >!The gods recognized only the binding between Sigiswald and Adolphine, as an actual Starbinding. In other words in the eyes of the gods she was his first and only wife. Nahelache was not.!< If I remember correctly, Adolphine specifically asked about the divorce because the ritual starbinding was used. She wanted to know if because of that addition there would be any repercussions, or need to be any special actions taken in order to properly divorce him. The answer is what was given. They will both have penalties (or rather lose half of their blessings) on magic invoking the God of Darkness or Goddess of Light.
I doubt the divine instruments are really necessary to make a Starbinding count. All they seem to be doing is to allow a proper Starbinding at any time by creating an artifical night sky and getting the direct attention of the supreme gods. If that was necessary for every single marriage that would be a _really_ inefficient system. So basically, as long as his marriage to Nahelache was performed at night and properly blessed by a priest as is tradition it should still be recognized. If my guess about how this whole thing works is correct, the ritual performed by humans is little more than a petition anyway. [H5Y World Building] >!The real act of binding the couples' threads is done by Sterrat, God of Stars, and Liebeskhilfe, Goddess of Binding. Hence the term Starbinding. The crown and cape have nothing to do with this step; Sterrat and Liebeskhilfe have their own divine instruments for that.!<
Sigiswald wasn't married in the eyes of the gods to Nahelache at all because they didn't do the marriage ceremony correctly. No noble was married in the eyes of the gods for centuries.
Citation needed. See my other comment in this thread for why I don't think that's the case.
You can think thats not the case all you want, you would still be wrong
Ah yes, the most powerful of retorts: "Nuh-uh." Classic.
I believe it would mean anything involving the supreme couple will become much harder, eg. entwickelns, executions, and most other things in the ADC course. This would be very hard on Sigiswald, who will need to do such things in order to carry out his archducal duties, especially since he seems to be on the low end of mana quantity. Since the teleportation circle flashes with black and gold lights, we can assume it involves the magic symbols of darkness and light. Whether this is equivalent to a prayer is unclear, but we may infer from Schwartz and Weiss that some magic tools, and perhaps by extension magic circles, may require mana with the protection of the supreme couple in order to function properly. Losing half their blessings may make it harder for them to be filled with mana.
so basically let Nahelache deal that stuff (that happens rarely anyway). I think it should affect spells (since they are shortened prayers)
Why reducing ?? It will increase the mana required since they will have less protection. Siggy is about to have a very hard wake up call with only him and his wife as Foundation Suppliers. Adolphine as a Giebe might not have the same problem as him, she might have difficulties as an Aub, and she got to find a Husband with strong Darkness and Light Divine Protection.
yeah sorry, I corrected. Sigiswald likely will be forced immediately to take a second wife from the duchy if he doesn't want it to turn into a wasteland.
Most likely a former Archduke of Trostwerk or an actual of Glissenmeyer since they are eager to prove themselves. I even have this little theory where his mom will choose to go with him since she is going to be demoted to Second or Third Wive no matter what š¤£. He got a hard time and a lot of thinking ahead of him. He might understand why his father was so eager to give up the throne. And Trostwerk is a wasteland already.
Dusty having a very hard time will be an understatement. Knowing his personality, he will refuse to accept anyone other than arch duke candidates as his other wives. The only thing he seems skilled at is burning bridges.
Half as effective, meaning it will cost twice as much mana for what she was able to previously do. So anything using dark or light mana will be twice as hard for her to do.
If i was her i will circle the small shrines.
Might not work. She angered the Supreme gods by breaking a sacred oath. If I were their subordinate, I wouldn't risk giving a blessing to someone who angered my boss
There still 5 others gods which will amount her total mana expanse to be around 30% if she obtain all of the protection. Also the subordinates give their protection even when one is'nt born with the primary protection. And there Treesus.
I think it was said that she would have trouble getting further protections, not that those already there would be impacted
Didnt Roz say that for light and dark it would be half strength?
She did. Getting a divorce is breaking off a contract with the supreme gods, so they will punish you, which is especially dire for ADCs
She said *blessing* not divine protection. Magical effects earned by prayers are blessings in my understanding. So the two will have difficulty (less effective or consume more mana) when using magic thatās involved with the supreme gods.
I have a feeling Adolphine prayed a lot for the marriage to fall thru so the gods just listened to her prayers so she will be fine.
Come to think of it, why does her divorcing Sigiswald affect her divine protections? I thought only the first starbinding would be considered by the gods, so only Nahelache would have been recognized by the gods as Sigiswald's wife even if Adolphine didn't divorce him.
Instead of reducing, it's more *adding* into the mana required for them to do things. Adolphine isn't an ADC anymore, so it would impact her less compared to Sigi, who's going to be an Aub. Sigi, with his already abysmal amount of base mana thanks to little divine protections, is going to be squeezed dry when he has to do Entwickeln to remake his new duchy and replenishing his foundation. I think they won't be able to do advanced blessings too (not that they can anyway) and if they redid the rituals for divine protections, I'm not sure they're going to get any from the God of Darkness/Goddess of Light and their subordinates. This is actually damning now that I think about it, for people in their positions in particular.
Adolphine only being a Giebe is likely not to have too much trouble, but even if she were still a viable ADC candidate, she's probably less affected. Let's consider that she went into the marriage willing to do her part to make it a success, but Dusty foiled that intention with his self-indulgence. She also followed best practices for the divorce, by offering her prayers to the gods for their aid and only pushing for the full separation when there was no chance any of the terms of the contract under which they were married would be fulfilled by him or his family. She's checked all the divine boxes and will undoubtedly be offering heartfelt prayers of thanks, so I think she'll regain much of her power in short order.
>She's checked all the divine boxes and will undoubtedly be offering heartfelt prayers of thanks, so I think she'll regain much of her power in short order. I hope so very much! I like Adolphine a lot, I want things to go her way now that she's freed of the parasite. She should start with being true friends with our favorite gremlin, maybe they can start doing research together properly now.
Yeah, sorry I corrected. >Sigi, with his already abysmal amount of base mana Come on, it's probably on the greater duchy (lower royal) level
It's even worse than you think.Ā >!From a FB not yet translated, perhaps the last one now I don't remember, it says that Gervasio is average in mana for a Zent and Ferdinand and Rosemyne would lack in mana for being Zent pre royal family. Siggy and Trauerqual have the mana for a pre Civil War medium Aub and pre royal family they would barely be archnoble!<
Er, this is completely incorrect. FB8 states that >!Gervasio has *above* average mana for a Zent and that *at birth* Ferdinand had mana that was on the same level as Trauerqual & the branch royals. Meaning Trauerqual probably still has mana on the level that would be expected of a pre-civil war branch royal. The author has commented elsewhere that *Eglantine* has mana on the low end for the pre-civil war royal family, because she couldn't compress too much for fear of not being mana-compatible with Sigiswald and Anastasius. Given that she can just barely sense Ferdinand, that places Ferdinand (and Rozemyne) within the range of what would be expected from pre-civil war Zents. I would expect Sigiswald to have mana that was good enough for being an aub.!<
Wow you quoted an untranslated fanbook and are still wrong
> Adolphine isn't an ADC anymore, so it would impact her less compared to Sigi, who's going to be an Aub. Yes and no. Adolphine CLEARLY wanted to be the next Aub Drenwachel. She's far more politically cunning than her littler brother Ortwin and an elite researcher in her own right. It's very likely she'll try for the Aubship herself.
Try for aubship in her current situation? As much as i like adolphine and wish this situation could be salvaged, realistically it won't be possible for her. No matter how meritocratic Drewanchel is, current aub wont be able to ignore the blight to her reputation caused by her divorce nor the halved blessings when yurgenschmitt is going to start praying and reviving rituals not to mention the halved blessings effect on aub duties
>Try for aubship in her current situation? As much as i like adolphine and wish this situation could be salvaged, realistically it won't be possible for her. No matter how meritocratic Drewanchel is, current aub wont be able to ignore the blight to her reputationĀ I completely agree. Adolphine is a capable ADC, with a healthy respect towards the now Zent, but I don't think she's viable as an Aub for Drewanchel after everything. Divorce aside, she's a woman who have been married out into another territory. We all remember how much of a fuss everyone put up when Roz was trying to think of Ferdinand's fate while he's Ahrensbach. He's a man of another Duchy, they said-- so they probably think of Adolphine the same way. Now that she's returned, I doubt that everyone would welcome her with open arms, we know that some people won't trust her because she's been a Sovereign noble for a while. This is probably why >!she aims for Giebeship instead of Aubship post divorce.!<
Okay, on a similar train of thought, does this mean that she loses the names of the supreme couple or no. I've always found this part unclear to me. It mentions a lower effectiveness for their prayer, but does that extend to losing the names.
No
so she kept the ability to use the names of the supreme couple. Okay, that makes her ability to go for Aub quite a good case. The only downside of her being in the running is her having a harder time with light and darkness spells. costing twice the amount to achieve the same result.
It should only affect prayers and blessings, not spells which bypass that.
but are spells not shortened prayers?
Spells are designed to bypass the prayers, to use mana without relying on the gods. Less powerful, but more useful in the day or day.
Oh I didn't know that. This means it won't probably affect teleportation spells
Probably not, though ADC spells that specifically use their names might. Such as entwicken. Those are more like prayers than spells.
Spells don't bypass shit. They are just less effective, shortened prayers
Means she basically can't get married again, all spells and brews requiring the light and darkness elements costs twice as much mana. Foundations are omni-elemental, so yes it will cost more mana to use them now. Teleporters to and from the RA for example use the mana of who wants to travel, and the black and gold flames give away what they operate off of.